Radiometric Discrepancy? (w Dr Jonathan Baker)
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"This rock is supposed to be 1.5 billion years old but was dated to 700 million years old therefore the Earth is 6000 years old" is a textbook creationist argument
They always talk about the "discrepancies" but never talk about the ones that don't. Professional liars indeed. Makes we want to vomit as a deconverting Christian.
Also "discrepancies" isn't a win for YEC. All they can do is try to poke holes in established scientific facts because they have nothing.
yeah, even if we were to assume everything is actually at the youngest age in any range or even significantly younger than that, we're still talking about ages well beyond their 6k claims. And there are plenty of other factors besides these dating methods that easily preclude the earth (nevermind the whole universe) being that young.
Indeed. The MO of the apologist is to deliberately IGNORE all the evidence AGAINST their position. It's hard to believe that this isn't a deliberate move on their part most of the time.
They should be similarly pedantic about the discrepancies in their Wholly Babble.
People need to quit thinking "The Flintstones" was a documentary.
American TV has a lot to answer for.
And to think the third most powerful man in America - House Speaker Mike Johnson - believes precisely this.
Only in 'Murika. Freedumb indeed.
Creationists don’t do facts.
Their fairy tales can only be supported by fairy tales. But Slick et al are happy with that, because that's all it takes to keep enough of the flock in their tender embrace for yet another month. It's radiometric dating this month, but next month it'll be fresh blood in T. rex fossils and then lethal mutation accumulation the month after that.
I'm so glad I was spared religious brainwashing as a child. I did the same for my children, and now my grandchildren are also being spared ... science, facts, problem solving, and common sense all day!
Just be careful with that common sense. It's deceiving. Otherwise, more power to you.
My Mom was religious for most of my life, but when I started asking difficult questions(around 9yrs.), she supported me in my search for truth instead of trying to reinforce the indoctrination of her religion at the time(LDS). She's probably a big reason I eventually found my own way out of religion entirely.
Lucky. I was raised in a religious homeschooling cult that made us watch all of Kent Hovind’s DVDs and many other creationist media. I have a son now and I’m raising him to be a rational skeptic. No more enforcement of irrational fear-based beliefs for me or my son…he’ll never go through what I went through.
I’m the first member of my family to break from religious trauma. I truly wish I was in your shoes🥹
@stevemarsh8928, take solace that your children will be 👍
Basically Matt Slick is a liar liar pants on fire like every other apologist 😂
Another slam-dunk rebuttal of fundamentalist young earth creationist nonsense! Thank you so much.
Matt Slick is still alive after Dillahunty ate him alive?
Matt ate him but such a thing is indigestible roughage, he shat it out, it magically grew a head and started talking again.
@@davidwatson2399 hehe. shat.
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Slick skat.
@@davidwatson2399 Sharted, Slick comes full of hot air and it stinks.
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My dogs do smarter loads in the back yard.👍
Slick is the biggest liar since Hulk Hogan.
"Dinosaurs WEREN'T on the Ark? That doesn't work for me, brother!"
Since the dinosaurs had died off before our ancestors the Homo sp. arrived on the scene, of course there were no dinosaurs alive to be on the ark, assuming the ark actually existed. Consequently, Creationists have a twofold problem, 1) explaining the existence of dinosaurs and 2) reconciling the Time discrepancy/dinosaur existence/H.sapiens.
@@eriolduterion8855 Of course the ark never existed. It’s a silly myth in so many ways, here’s a few: after flooding with salt water the earth would have been uninhabitable for years; it’s impossible to keep a zoo on a boat for a year, you’d need so much food and there’d be more manure to shovel than 8 people can manage; other people would have been able to make boats; there isn’t enough water to cover the entire earth.
This is not surprising that the creationist would "lie" about the data. It's what they do, since most people would not do their own research on the issue.
So all said and done, Creationist tell lies.🤔
Whoda thunk it.
Good information plus a tabby. Win-win.
thank you Aron and thank you Dr. Baker!
I learn so much from you, AronRa. Thank you.
Always a good day when we hear from Dr. Baker. I'm glad to be educated this way
Oh that's just young earthers moving the goal posts thru the back of the parking lot
Apparently having a degree in theology gives warrant to understand, opine and dictate the findings of all fields of science.
You say that almost as if to say Theology is a field of science! I know it's not what you meant though.😜
Even having a scientific degree in one field of science does not give you enough knowledge to understand all fields of science. You can sometimes logically infer some things, but not all the time.And you will have to ask your colleagues.
@@tabularasa0606 I used to build microwave spectrometers and related instrumentation, and even had chemists, Material physics and other physicists help us to make customizations as needed... I can't remember how many times I was asked things like "Can it be used to count free radicals in polyrhybozoic enzymatic protein digestion" or something like that to where I always answered "Why are you asking me, I'm just an Electrical/mechanical engineer? You're the biochemist here, you tell me"!
I also got to meet some pretty well known scientist from places like Firmilab, Max Plank institute, MIT, Oxford... and learned a lot from them, and never did any of them treat me like "Just an engineer", or get a "You wouldn't understand... They always probed you to see what you did know in where they were going, to see if you could follow, and then clarify it first before going forward. And there were plenty of times I had to explain stuff to them too, in order to make necessary changes, and what all we could and could not make happen. Theologists whole "Education" is based on and built on a freaking fantasy set in stone that you're not to question!
Lucky for me I never had a Creationist, or someone from AIG, or "The Christian research institute"... come in to order and work out the details of a $70,000 + spectrometer, and another ten to $40,000+ on accessories, or something custom... Theologists don't even need equipment, because god (their own broken mind) will just tell them everything mysteriously!
I'd rather have a billion open questions without answers, then a single answer I am not allowed to question!
It certainly does, as it is merely license to equally misunderstand all sciences 😆
Creationist don't understand science but they want answers so they settle for ancient Hebrew stories about a male creator god hiding in the clouds.
We don't know if its 1.6 million or 773 million years, so lets stick to the given value of 6000 years. Oh dear.
Thanks guys 👍😎
I have a doubting mind ever since i found out everything i was taught about the nature and origin of the universe from childhood, was all lies. Geology and dating methods confirming the ancient age of the earth are my weak point, so videos like this are what I've really been missing. Thank you!
Whoa! I didn't know there was going to be math on this test✨
As a christian I listened to this and took to it as true because I needed to have proof that geology was a mushy science and used to support a old earth. All AIG was doing was pointing out flaws.
Now I see AIG is the ones lying for the noble lie.
Keep this stuff coming! I love learning.
I cant tell if apologists are stupid, liars or stupid liars.
All of the above.
Every apologist is a genius. They must have a secret school somewhere that churns out only the sharpest minds capable of making the most convoluted arguments. It’s practically a prerequisite!
@@tobias4411 Genius. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
@@rembrandt972ify Hey. It was irony. Atheist here ;-)
*Let the Sunshine In...*
Huh. When Matt Slick hops into our clubhouse rooms, he never brings this stuff up. Always kinda gets really butthurt anytime someone cuts him off.
Well, now you can bring this up the next time he’s in your clubhouse room. And challenge him to come onto Aron Ra’s UA-cam channel to have a discussion with Aron Ra on evolution, the phylogeny challenge, and the age of the earth.
This is why creationism is so hard to get rid of. It took a whole 10 minutes to thoroughly debunk a point that only took him a few seconds to make. It is unfortunate that even basic science is so complicated that the average person isn't interested in it.
Clear and succinct, thank you.
This would make them very upset if they understood any aspect of science… at all.
They ARE upset.
Why else would they try so hard to maintain relevance.
They know exactly what they are doing…
They’re fading into the background.
They’re resisting taking their place as a chapter in history.
They’re entering into the fantasy world.
Christians know it’s over but I think we should prepare for some trouble from the Islamites.
They’ll want to take over.
NO, THANK YOU.
Apologists are pathological liars. They can't help it.
They could, but then their careers, and credibility (such as it is) would be over.
as long as there are fools they can fleece they will exist.
Thank you taking the time to explain the details of radiometric dating. It is a bit above my geology 101 level but I found it fascinating. I’ll probably have to watch again and take notes. I appreciate you doing the heavy lifting here, something the theocrats always fail to do, but it also makes me so depressed that I didn’t continue my geology (or biology) studies. I envy your knowledge and expertise. Well done and thank you again.
@christophermclaughlin8899 Thank you! I'm starting a series that goes through the basics, if you're interested. Would be happy to have your feedback and questions.
Ave AronRa!
Creationism almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Great guest, recently saw Dr Baker on one of Gutsick Gibbons videos, and hes a great speaker
Thanks! Doing my best to find time now to produce more content.
AIG do science?!?
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I just got an add for them on here🥴
Well they do something sort of similar.
**opens fridge** sigh... ants.
Aron, wow! Somehow I missed this part. Then, my dumb phone wouldn't let me comment. Sheesh! Really all I can say though is 'yep, they lie, to themselves and others!' 👍🏿💙💙💙🥰✌🏻
I’ll admit this explanation was a little over my head. But I trust the data coming from guys with degrees more than false assertions and cherry picked data from some creationist with a podcast any day!
I think you've decided well.
These assorted creationists, flat-earthers and others of the same ilk, clearly have no confidence in their own so-called beliefs: They wouldn't feel compelled to lie if they did.
This makes me want to learn about about science. I was taught not to question anything things that "god" made "everything".And to question it meant that I should suffer and everyone that I was related to would suffer as well. But I don't get why "god" would do anything that he does but for a cruel form of entertainment that he would be board of as he made everything to do it. And knows everything. I have so many problems with faith has it to me it seems like a Gamble that I don't even know what I'm gambling on. Love the video ❤
Thank you. This was very helpful.
Thanks for sharing this!
Hmm when you have to tweak the data to fit your confirmation bias it might be a sign that you are subconsciously started to doubt you held beliefs. As someone who formally held beliefs i know the tendency to clutch as straws.
It's not subconscious. They are well aware that their god character does not exist, but their sociopathic need to feel "special" and to take advantage of the dumbest of us, is way more important than the truth.
@@the-trusteesI don’t think this is a helpful position. It’s like Christians saying “they know God exists, his law is written on their hearts. They just want to sin.” Most genuinely DO believe their mythos, but do not have the willingness or capability of understanding these more advanced concepts (at the risk of sounding condescending, though most laymen do not), and most all their research is through the lens of a confirmation bias for a conclusion they have already reached. It’s yellow research, if you will (yellow journalism combined with confirmation bias), that paints their view in which they believe they’re actually correct.
I know that guy! Lol I love when they try to go after radiometric dating...nice try, YECs.
wait till they see how wacky magnetic field history in rocks looks. it gets fun as poles shifted, in geologic time.
One thing about YECs is that, in a way, they realize that a universe that is 14,000,000,000 years old, makes absolutely ZERO sense from a Christian perspective. That literally means, using Sagan's Calendar, that we humans didn't even appear until the last minute or two on 12/31.
A universe this old (and this large) is completely incoherent on any theistic model, especially one like Christianity that teaches that everything revolves around Jesus and humanity. Um, OK, so what's with the BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of galaxies, planets, black holes, etc.? They HAVE to have a 6,000-year-old "universe" in order to save their savior and put humanity back at the center of things, which is what their Cosmic Narcissist religion is all about.
Radiometric came about when radio grew to cover all the world. When radio was first invented in the UK in 1640 it used Yards to measure the wavelength of the transmitted signal, Radio Colaig in Scotland's wavelength was 286 yards as the jingles would confirm. As I say most of the world used the Metric system so to make radio compatable worldwide it was changed to metres, and of course laterly to hz.
Even IF the creationists managed to debunk all the science, that wouldn’t automatically make their fairytales true.
Remember the song Ghetto Life by Rick James? "When you're in denial there's no need to hurry, there'll be more spin tomorrow so facts are not a worry"
BRAVO!
"The Trojan source."
Ah, Gunter Faure! I used one of his texts way back when.
Blah blah blah. Aron, please go debate people. Make then feel the Ra. That's what we want to see!! 😂❤
Since the Creationist's view point is that the Earth is only 6000 yo, the fact that the rock layers are first dated to 1.6 MILLION yo sort of blows that theory out of the water even if we ignore the more accurate Rb87/Sr87 radiocarbon dating (which we find actually was not performed in the original data as stated by Slick).
Is that a Tabby?
Dr. Jonathan Baker is my crush 🥰❤️😍
Just another example of AiG lying by deliberately misrepresenting the data. As most apologists do.
We might wonder why they cling to their position when it requires them to lie. They do so, of course, because they simply do not care about truth or facts. They have decided upon a very narrow biblical position and they refuse to allow a small thing like reality to change their minds. It would be sad if they were isolated in their hypocrisy but they seek to destroy the minds of our youth.
Could it be any more inappropriate than having this guy being named Slick?
Christianity belief necessitates dishonesty.
It's possible Matt was duped… or that he knows exactly what he's doing. Religious apologists are not to be trusted.
True, but I feel confident (from experience) that people in Matt's position fall prey to a subset of the 'appeal to authority' fallacy, where they not only accept claims uncritically from perceived authorities but they identify those authorities on ideological bases (e.g. this doctor is politically conservative, so I trust them over a liberal doctor contradicting their medical advice; this scientist goes to a baptist church, so I trust their study over the one by a muslim scientist contradicting their conclusions).
Through this filter, it's easy to be duped into thinking your worldview makes more sense than all others when tested against complex data, because you never had to deal with falsifying observations. I remember that feeling. For some, it's like a drug, and they ride it high their whole lives. I think Matt sincerely believes he is right because was duped into thinking that Paul Giem (who is legitimately competent in math and basic geochemistry so comes off as an expert in Matt's world) had fairly represented the discipline.
I've been interacting with creationists like that for years, as you have, too. I don't think we need to tell each other the probability of him actually conceding a point like this...
Progress: AIG is finally accepting that Earth is older than 6,000 years.
Doesn't matter if there are differences. There is no method, that dates the earth at 6000 years old. :)
Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years Since the earth is about 4.6 billion years old, the amount of Uranium-238 that had existed at the time of the earth's birth has now reduced to half.
I’d like to understand everything that was said here,, but everything just ricochet violently off my face.
I tried to concentrate and take it in but I was absolutely lost the moment the qualified scientist opened his mouth.
If someone like me who would like to understand this topic but simply just can’t,,, then Just imagine how impossible it would be to explain this to regular Christians who don’t want to know about any of this kinda thing.
For example Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years we discovered this has been around sense the earth existed.
the amount of Uranium-238 that had existed at the time of the earth's birth has now reduced to half
this makes the earth about 4.6 billion years old, approximately.
that also means in another 4.6 billion years, half of what is already here will be gone.
does that help any?
Think of it as a shape that gets cut in half after a period of time, then you cut what is left in half again, after the same period of time.
Lets say we have a cube you cut it in half after 10 min take the remaining half and then cut that in half, keep doing so till there is nothing left. This is a simplification of how decay rates work.
Watching the intro, I have decided that Aron needs a collarless suit, and a white cat Mr Bond ............................................
1 second lie needs 10 minutes of truth. Lies are easier to believe than try to understand the truth.
Why all the chemistry when you have six days and the genealogies? So simple!
Aron, we're wearing the same shirt. Slick still thinks he's the smartest in the room.
Matt Slick is a liar!? Well, I never!
The only dating method Slick is familiar with is Tinder
Oh, bah. Of _course._ Someone forced me to remember Matt Slick was a thing once upon a time, and I idly wondered what happened to him, so here we are with his stupid face bothering us again. It's like Punxsutawney Shill saw his own shadow, or something. Why do these people insist on continuing to exist when we'd all be so much happier without them?
So the source of the 'discrepency' claim that Slick mentioned was a young-earth creationist who isn't even a geologist, pretending to find fault in the research of actual geologists.
I hope this video gets to Slick.
If I understood the explanation correctly, which I probably didn't, the 1.6 million years would correspond to when the lava was on the surface, but the 700 million years would be when two underground magma sources mixed together? Or am I just way off?
Not way off, no . The 700 million years would be when the two magma sources *unmixed*, or separated from a single source into several.
The thing nobody realizes is that the bigger rhe apologist, the MORE likely that they do NOT actually believe in their professed god. The intelligence it takes to twist knowledge into a fallacious argument is at LEAST as much as the average atheist/skeptic has. They know it, and we know it.
Radiometric dating.....
less awkward than speed dating.
Unless you're a creationist.😄
Intellectual honesty isnt part of a creationists morality....
Oh, I misread…I thought this was a Romantic discrepancy. But it is about dating rocks so.
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I was wondering why you would use Rb-Sr dating on rocks that young.
MS isn't duped, he's lying.
What? AIG was wrong again? I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
Matt Slick has said a lot of things, I try not to pay enough attention to him to remember even the very wrong things he says.
Cat! ❤
Slick (no back)
Having to read AiG is hard work.
Thanks for your effort.
But why does he bother at all?
His YEC is out of the window even if a certain rock is only 773 Ma old.
His source is also 55 years old. All of their talking points "debunking" science is 50+ years old.
Sup, Aron.
Matt slick is a professional liar.
Van he show us where strontium and Rubinium are mentioned in the bible?
I woke up and my cult all were dead this morning. Why does this keep happening to me?
Why don't we hear nothing of this so-called scientific Creationists in Europe?
Is it perhaps that their 'science' doesn't work in Europe?
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@MrCanis4 Funny, I asked my colleague from Zurich about YEC, and she didn't know any details about it and had never encountered it personally. Although, I've heard a lot from scientists in Netherlands and Sweden, who reached out to me for advice on how to counter it, because it was growing fast there.
@@ageofrocks Most people I know have never heard of those YECs. And I also know that most Christians here in Europe believe in a billion-year-old earth and also believe in Evolution.
Woah im early
Me 2🤣👍
Same here!
CARM HARM.
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Both of you need some audio improvements
It’s that bad?
I'm happy to take some donations for a new microphone and acoustic paneling 😅
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Since no one was actually there to measure the original levels of the elements being measured when the sample was formed, they still have to be assumed (as implied @ 4:20min).
Another problem is that nobody was there to measure any possible leaching into or out of the sample of the elements being measured. That also has to be assumed.
Then there is the possibility that the rate of decomposition of one element into another in the sample has not been consistent. Nobody was there to observe that either. That another assumption that needs to be made.
The necessary assumptions are made to fit the millions-of-years story.
Radiometric 'dating' is like turning up at the end of a race and pressing the stop button. Regardless of the quality and accuracy of the measuring instrument, the result is meaningless. No one was there at the start of the race to press the start button.
Radioactive decay is constant and the half life depends on the element. Radioactive elements decay at different rates from fractions of seconds to millions and billions of years
Radium-223 has a half life of 10.33 days
Carbon-14, has a half-life of 5730 years
10−24 seconds (yoctoseconds)
isotope half-life
10−24 seconds
hydrogen-5 86(6)
lithium-4 91(9)
hydrogen-4 139(10)
nitrogen-10 143(36)
oxygen-11 198(12)
10−21 seconds (zeptoseconds)
isotope half-life
10−21 seconds
fluorine-15 1.11
oxygen-12 1.14
sodium-18 1.34
lithium-10m2 1.35
10−18 seconds (attoseconds)
isotope half-life
10−18 seconds
beryllium-9m 1.25
beryllium-8 81.9
10−12 seconds (picoseconds)
isotope half-life
10−12 seconds
magnesium-19 5(3)
boron-16 ≤190
10−9 seconds (nanoseconds)
isotope half-life
10−9 seconds
lithium-12
Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years
@@invaderhorizongreen8168 "..half life of 4.5 billion years."
How long something can last doesn't tell us how long it has been here.
Carbon 14 on the other hand only has a half life of about 5700 years. There is abundant C14 in oil, coal, diamonds and fossils which should all be gone if the earth was millions of years old. That alone tells us that earth can only be thousands of years old at most.
Then you also have the existence of unmineralized dinosaur bones and soft tissue -- the original biological material of the animals. These are also obviously not millions of years old, but only thousands at most.
The age of the earth depends on how it was formed.
Why are paleontologists always trying to find new dating methods?
Serious question. Paleontologists are sexy. I don't understand how they're struggling. Are people stupid?
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Some just aren't on the same strata.
Blah blah blah..something sciencey sounding...blah blah..something else sciencey ...GODDY GODDINGTON
that is so far over slicks head it wont even fluff up his hair when it goes over!!!
just sayiN
But, have you seen his M Div??
Yeah, I have a masters in Spider Man