Thanks for the review. I’m glad you didn’t have any problems with it. I think I heard it had some issues with the locking mechanism in the first model …
I love your engeering approach. To solve some possible reach problem or be able to change handle bar height you may swap your stem to T shape one with Andross Stem from Tern. I do use it with my Dahon 18. This is also easy to fold
I love this channel so much. You're not an informercial pushing products. You're real reviewers, with thorough and candid, honest critiques. What was unclear to me in this review was, does the 350 watt hub motor turn off when you reach 20 mph or does the motor stay on so you can pedal this bike to 30 mph with the higher gears? One e-bike I would love to see you review is the Hummingbird Electric Gen 2.0. It's a 23 lb. ultra lightweight and uses a 250 watt Zehus all-in-one hub motor+battery. I'm very intrigued though it's not yet UL Certified. Also, because it's a UK bike, I'm assuming the motor will turn off once 15.5 mph is reached, as is UK law. You guys, however, get to the nitty-gritty of everything. I would trust you to investigate more than myself. Stay awesome.
While our bike has 350 watts, our speed limiter was set to 25km/h (15.5mph). We didn’t try to change it (a hack is available online). Basically, as we approach the speed limit, the power assist gradually decreases, to eventually become zero around the speed limit. The actual algorithm used by Fiido is most likely proprietary, but a look at the Japanese Regulation gives an idea how a generic power assist algorithm works At speeds below 10km/h, maximum allowed power assist (in Japan) is 2x the power provided by the rider (i.e., you provide 100W, the hub motor will provide 200W). At speeds above 10km/h, the power provided follows this equation: 2-(speed -10)/7. So, when the speed reaches 24km/h, the power provided by the hub is 0 watts. While we do not know what Fiido’s algorithm is, the rider intuitively stabilizes between 20 and 25km/h since anything faster seems to take a significant amount of effort (because the hub motor is no longer assisting and you are already in 7th gear). PS We would be delighted to have the chance to test a Hummingbird e-bike. :-)
@@2Bikes4Adventure Thank you for the explanation. Yes, I get it now. The rider will keep their cadence at 15.5 mph so as to make use of the motor. Any speed above that and the motor turns off. Though it makes sense, it kind of sucks. The motor should stay on no matter how fast you're pedaling. It's your bike, your motor. You paid for it. You should be able to tell the motor what to do, not the other way around. Hopefully the EU will change their laws and hopefully the US will also. Unfortunately, when politicians get together, though, they usually restrict rights, not expand them.
@davidhunternyc1 People were literally dying. People hop on these Bikes that will go in excess of 25 miles per hour, they're not used to it And they were running pedestrians down. When a pedestrian hits the ground with somebody going Over twenty miles per hour running into them, their heads smacks the concrete and they die or get disabled and many of the bike paths are shared with pedestrians.
Good morning, one thing you could include in your con section of the Fiido X v.2 is Fiido’s return policy, namely, they won’t take a return on any accessory you buy, also that they won’t take a return on the bike unless it’s defective in some way. Maybe this is obvious for others but for us, turned out the bike didn’t fit my wife’s physical conformation and knees. Fiido absolutely refused to consider a return and even had some snarky words for us. We’ll give it to a charitable org at this point.
Good video. What would stop someone from replacing the stock stem with a longer one, and inverted, with a bit of rise, if you are a tall person? If the steerer is 1 1/8" that would be a great way to improve the fit, possibly even allowing for a dropped bar version of the bike, like a Stijn mini velo. You'd obviously lose some of the compact packing features, but maybe it does not matter.
Many off-the-shelf stem options designed for Dahon folding bikes would likely be compatible with Fiido X as well. This would open up a lot of possibilities.
Thanks for the thorough review. We are considering getting a Fiido and are concerned about the inability of raising the handlebars. My wife is 5' 10" (178 cm) tall and likes to ride in a more upright position. Our current folders (citizen Gotham 24/7) allow quite a bit of movement up and down for the handlebar position. Any thoughts? Thanks
At 5’10”, the handlebar will roughly be inline with the seat (depending on inseam). If the rider is used to a more upright position, it could be an issue. A 3rd party stem extension could be installed, but existing cables may be too short to accommodate the upgrade
Thanks, that's what I was thinking when I originally looked at the Fiido information last week. With hydraulic brakes lengthening the cables would be a pain. I am not a huge fan of hydraulic disc brakes and converted my newer mountain bike, which is my touring bike after many modifications, to manual disc brakes.
@8:18 Vanmoof had this hidden unlock and ran into trouble with the EU and had to fix it via a forced firmware update. I don't think Fiido will keep their certification for long once they get found out.
@@2Bikes4Adventure I will stick with my p line upgraded to 12 speed ARCC electric with Bosch 4.0Ah Battery for flying and 6.0Ah when taking train or ships I can’t say enough positive about this setup
I like class 2 better. More😮😮 intentionality on electricity consumption whether ecomiling or blasting ahead of cars in intersections. Less drive train wear too
Ok, at the first moment I was really interested, but as I recognized it's a e- bike...that is not for me. Don't understand this hype on e-bikes! This is no more a bicycle, it is a motorcycle looking like a bicycle. And for longer bike tours, how will I recharge this heavy battery?
It’s called Pedal Assist. Go try one. Ride uphill with assist on. Then you will understand the “hype” for e-bikes. Your reference to motorcycles is just plain naïvity at best.
More than once, while we were touring with our Brompton and Birdy, we meet groups of seniors “credit-card tourers” on e-bikes. They recharged overnight at the hotel (their baggage were shuttled from accommodation to accommodation). For many, the alternative would have been a tour bus (or no tour at all). E-bikes enabled them to enjoy the fun of bike touring without the hardship associated with hill climbing. The same holds true for couples with fitness level disparities. Having a power assist e-bike permits the weaker member to keep up with the other spouse.
@@2Bikes4Adventure This is true. But the most people I meet on e-bikes are not old or disabled, they just don't want to expert themself physically. This is OK, but not for me.
So it’s not for you and your first response is to criticize and pass judgement on people who love riding them. Cyclists should stick together. Maybe you should take a hike instead. 🤣
@@robingood62 There is a growing body of research showing that commuters on pedal assist ebikes (emphasis on pedal *assist,* not throttle bikes) burn a similar amount of calories to regular cyclists There's at least one study suggesting you actually burn more calories in the long run. It's simple really: You burn somewhat fewer calories per mile, but tend to ride more miles, more frequently. But even for those that use a throttle some of the time (which the Fiido X doesn't have) it's still better than riding a car. In any case, it's a weak argument. If exercise if your primary goal, rather than getting from point A to B, you could just turn off the assist altogether. Trust me, few things burn more calories than riding a heavy ebike up a hill with no power 🙂. If you're a commuter, study after study shows you're more likely to ride your ebike than your regular bike. On a somewhat tangential note, there's also (admittedly rather surprising) evidence to suggest ebikes may actually have a smaller long term carbon footprint than regular bikes (see Simon Clark's video on the topic).
![Downhill with a Brompton [safely]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LFZT9NaxLxA/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you so much for showing the reach and stack and the comparison to the Brompton, this is so helpful and no other UA-camr does that!
By far the best review on Fiido X I've seen. So many relevant infos in a short time. No bla-bla.
The just released Fiido X 2025 solves some issues identified in this video (including better seat, better handlebar)
Excellent review as always.
Thanks for the review. I’m glad you didn’t have any problems with it. I think I heard it had some issues with the locking mechanism in the first model …
We didn’t experience any problem with the battery locking mechanism so far.
Excellent review. So informational.
I love your engeering approach. To solve some possible reach problem or be able to change handle bar height you may swap your stem to T shape one with Andross Stem from Tern. I do use it with my Dahon 18. This is also easy to fold
I love this channel so much. You're not an informercial pushing products. You're real reviewers, with thorough and candid, honest critiques. What was unclear to me in this review was, does the 350 watt hub motor turn off when you reach 20 mph or does the motor stay on so you can pedal this bike to 30 mph with the higher gears? One e-bike I would love to see you review is the Hummingbird Electric Gen 2.0. It's a 23 lb. ultra lightweight and uses a 250 watt Zehus all-in-one hub motor+battery. I'm very intrigued though it's not yet UL Certified. Also, because it's a UK bike, I'm assuming the motor will turn off once 15.5 mph is reached, as is UK law. You guys, however, get to the nitty-gritty of everything. I would trust you to investigate more than myself. Stay awesome.
While our bike has 350 watts, our speed limiter was set to 25km/h (15.5mph). We didn’t try to change it (a hack is available online).
Basically, as we approach the speed limit, the power assist gradually decreases, to eventually become zero around the speed limit. The actual algorithm used by Fiido is most likely proprietary, but a look at the Japanese Regulation gives an idea how a generic power assist algorithm works
At speeds below 10km/h, maximum allowed power assist (in Japan) is 2x the power provided by the rider (i.e., you provide 100W, the hub motor will provide 200W).
At speeds above 10km/h, the power provided follows this equation:
2-(speed -10)/7.
So, when the speed reaches 24km/h, the power provided by the hub is 0 watts.
While we do not know what Fiido’s algorithm is, the rider intuitively stabilizes between 20 and 25km/h since anything faster seems to take a significant amount of effort (because the hub motor is no longer assisting and you are already in 7th gear).
PS We would be delighted to have the chance to test a Hummingbird e-bike. :-)
@@2Bikes4Adventure Thank you for the explanation. Yes, I get it now. The rider will keep their cadence at 15.5 mph so as to make use of the motor. Any speed above that and the motor turns off. Though it makes sense, it kind of sucks. The motor should stay on no matter how fast you're pedaling. It's your bike, your motor. You paid for it. You should be able to tell the motor what to do, not the other way around. Hopefully the EU will change their laws and hopefully the US will also. Unfortunately, when politicians get together, though, they usually restrict rights, not expand them.
@davidhunternyc1 People were literally dying. People hop on these Bikes that will go in excess of 25 miles per hour, they're not used to it And they were running pedestrians down. When a pedestrian hits the ground with somebody going Over twenty miles per hour running into them, their heads smacks the concrete and they die or get disabled and many of the bike paths are shared with pedestrians.
Good morning, one thing you could include in your con section of the Fiido X v.2 is Fiido’s return policy, namely, they won’t take a return on any accessory you buy, also that they won’t take a return on the bike unless it’s defective in some way. Maybe this is obvious for others but for us, turned out the bike didn’t fit my wife’s physical conformation and knees. Fiido absolutely refused to consider a return and even had some snarky words for us. We’ll give it to a charitable org at this point.
Good video. What would stop someone from replacing the stock stem with a longer one, and inverted, with a bit of rise, if you are a tall person? If the steerer is 1 1/8" that would be a great way to improve the fit, possibly even allowing for a dropped bar version of the bike, like a Stijn mini velo. You'd obviously lose some of the compact packing features, but maybe it does not matter.
Many off-the-shelf stem options designed for Dahon folding bikes would likely be compatible with Fiido X as well. This would open up a lot of possibilities.
Thanks for the thorough review. We are considering getting a Fiido and are concerned about the inability of raising the handlebars. My wife is 5' 10" (178 cm) tall and likes to ride in a more upright position. Our current folders (citizen Gotham 24/7) allow quite a bit of movement up and down for the handlebar position. Any thoughts? Thanks
At 5’10”, the handlebar will roughly be inline with the seat (depending on inseam). If the rider is used to a more upright position, it could be an issue.
A 3rd party stem extension could be installed, but existing cables may be too short to accommodate the upgrade
Thanks, that's what I was thinking when I originally looked at the Fiido information last week. With hydraulic brakes lengthening the cables would be a pain. I am not a huge fan of hydraulic disc brakes and converted my newer mountain bike, which is my touring bike after many modifications, to manual disc brakes.
@8:18 Vanmoof had this hidden unlock and ran into trouble with the EU and had to fix it via a forced firmware update. I don't think Fiido will keep their certification for long once they get found out.
Fine, fix it in the EU but don't touch this firmware feature in the U.S. !!!
Thanks for this. My only problem with this bike is I cant put suspension seatpost on it to make the ride comfortable.
Excellent video as normal. I love how nerdy it is. Detail oriented!!! if I were to get something other than Brompton, I would pick a flit m2.
The Flit M2 does look impressive indeed!
@@2Bikes4Adventure I will stick with my p line upgraded to 12 speed ARCC electric with Bosch 4.0Ah Battery for flying and 6.0Ah when taking train or ships I can’t say enough positive about this setup
Miss Victor!
It has been a while indeed.
Can you do a review on the Dahon Vybe please?
if we have the chance to test ride a Dahon Vybe, be sure we will make a video about it.
Excellent review as usual. Very interesting, thank you. But I’ll keep my beautiful e-Brompton … it’s paid 😉
Including nice leather accents on the e-Brompton, right?
@@2Bikes4Adventure absolutely 👍 😊
Yes it is expensive but I prefer Brompton electric.
I like class 2 better. More😮😮 intentionality on electricity consumption whether ecomiling or blasting ahead of cars in intersections. Less drive train wear too
Ok, at the first moment I was really interested, but as I recognized it's a e- bike...that is not for me. Don't understand this hype on e-bikes! This is no more a bicycle, it is a motorcycle looking like a bicycle. And for longer bike tours, how will I recharge this heavy battery?
It’s called Pedal Assist. Go try one. Ride uphill with assist on. Then you will understand the “hype” for e-bikes. Your reference to motorcycles is just plain naïvity at best.
More than once, while we were touring with our Brompton and Birdy, we meet groups of seniors “credit-card tourers” on e-bikes. They recharged overnight at the hotel (their baggage were shuttled from accommodation to accommodation). For many, the alternative would have been a tour bus (or no tour at all). E-bikes enabled them to enjoy the fun of bike touring without the hardship associated with hill climbing.
The same holds true for couples with fitness level disparities. Having a power assist e-bike permits the weaker member to keep up with the other spouse.
@@2Bikes4Adventure
This is true. But the most people I meet on e-bikes are not old or disabled, they just don't want to expert themself physically. This is OK, but not for me.
So it’s not for you and your first response is to criticize and pass judgement on people who love riding them. Cyclists should stick together. Maybe you should take a hike instead. 🤣
@@robingood62 There is a growing body of research showing that commuters on pedal assist ebikes (emphasis on pedal *assist,* not throttle bikes) burn a similar amount of calories to regular cyclists There's at least one study suggesting you actually burn more calories in the long run. It's simple really: You burn somewhat fewer calories per mile, but tend to ride more miles, more frequently.
But even for those that use a throttle some of the time (which the Fiido X doesn't have) it's still better than riding a car.
In any case, it's a weak argument. If exercise if your primary goal, rather than getting from point A to B, you could just turn off the assist altogether. Trust me, few things burn more calories than riding a heavy ebike up a hill with no power 🙂. If you're a commuter, study after study shows you're more likely to ride your ebike than your regular bike.
On a somewhat tangential note, there's also (admittedly rather surprising) evidence to suggest ebikes may actually have a smaller long term carbon footprint than regular bikes (see Simon Clark's video on the topic).
E-TOY. It's not bicycle. It's a trendy toy.