The way I see it ... Thais obliged to try out the American rules. It's only fair that Americans try out the Thai rules too :) Elbows Clinches Knees Sweeps Catches
+Phon Xieng (MrMuaythai84) you're an angry yellow man. Don't cry about the rules after a loss - he was an idiot for agreeing to fight him with the American rules.
You might want to watch some of the jets fights on youtube. He fought many muay thia fighters, and they changed the rules. Benny was a judo blackbelt and the muay thia rules were changed so benny could not throw them.
different rules in all "fight sports". MMA. Ultimate. Choose your sport, your rules. No fight sport is "real". nobody argues that there should be strike and kick in Judo competition. The people that bitch continually on UA-cam about the same tired ass nonissues are Thais about kicking boxing and Brazilians about musicians not playing "real samba". Blah blah. It is what is is. I aint what it aint. if it flies it flies. If it FLIES, it's a bird, or a plane. Or a bug. Or a leaf in the wind. If 2 guys are fighting, in a ring, with rules, with GLOVES on, HELLO? it's a fight sport. nothing pure about it. Pure water? No such thing. Sport. Game. Construct. Call it art if you want. Real art. Real music. Blah blah blah. You wear gloves? No guns, knives, biting? That real fighting? You want to fight "real art" Muay thai, you have stay home and fight for "peanuts". You want to fight for big money, international, you have to fight by those rules.
Cunningham deserves credit for having incredible cardio. It's hard to fight on your toes and throw so many side kicks with that much speed for so many rounds. No doubt the 1980's golden era of boxing (Sugar Ray Leonard) influenced Cunningham's style. Most modern kickboxers don't move as much as Cunningham. Although I prefer the modern crop of kickboxers, there are certainly elements of Cunningham's style that could be incorporated by today's fighters. Re Sakad, certain Muay Thai styles transition more easily to kickboxing than others. He was seriously handicapped under kickboxing rules. If he was allowed to grab kicks I doubt Cunningham would have continued to throw side kicks after getting dumped a few times. Buakaw was successful because he started as a kicker (and later became a good boxer). IMO Samart would also have transitioned easily and would have beaten anyone in his weight class under kickboxing rules.
I really wouldn't say Sagat was handicapped here because to me it looked like he did more damage with his boxing and leg kicks. Other dude racked up points yes but he dealt no damage at all, was on his bicycle the whole fight. its extremely hard to fight someone with that style, its cancerous. he was also one of the best kickboxers that time so pretty good showing from Sagat really. Sugarfoot didnt prove anything with this fight because he didnt really cause much damage.
Why didn't they allow kick catching or knees? I had Sakad winning in K-1 style scoring 6 rounds to 5, I'm guessing the judges for this style score those linear side kicks as equal to the full power round house kicks, otherwise I can't see a way to justify the decision.
im not sure how you think K1 is scored but clearly the American just out hustled out landed and out threw the Thai its really a NO brainer across the board no way the little Thai can win the fight when he threw less strikes and showed little power and was very slow got hit constantly so NO defense so basically a punching bag who occasionally threw a strike and missed weak little Thai
Both excellent fighters. Sugarfoot commented at end how fighters in Urquidez camp trained for Thai tactics/fighters. Effectively sugarfoot combined here the Wallace style of tactical and versatile kicking with Urquidez's effective blending of western boxing and leg kick defenses plus use of leg kicks. Unlike Rufus's fight-which showed leg kick defense is necessary in fights allowing them-once leg kicks are almost negated by good defense, then the Thai stylist has a fight on his hands. The outcome might have been different under full Thai rules, yes, but this was WKA I think? It could also be argued a different outcome under MMA rules- but that is supposition. Respect to both these fighters.
Sugar foot got his ass handle to him in the 1st fight, thats why they change a shit tons of rules for the 2nd one, including the one that destroy Sugar foot on the 1st one, catching kicks. The 1st fight was a robbery to Sagat and the 2nd a joke for the rules.
@@marcelochagra3307 naw it works because MMA rules let both fighters use their full arsenal. Nobody's about to grapple in this hypothetical fight anyways.
Great Fight man! Surprised that people are complaining about the Kickboxing rules. Sakad knew the rules before the fight started and agreed to them. A Muay Thai fighter fought in a World Kickboxing Championship and he lost. That's like Rugby players, competing in a football game and the fans get mad when the Rugby player loses because of the "bad" football rules. Anyway again great Fight Sugarfoot!
Kenmond Sanders My ass , you kick boxer want to fight with MuayThai first so you should try to fight whatever it takes in MuayThai ,if you want to proof that kickboxing is better, Dumbass !
@@@veronicianyveronica5290 did Sagat/Sakad sign the contract to fight under the kickboxing rules? yes and he lost you and the Nak Muay Nation are the ONLY ones crying the Thai sure as hell didn't care he got paid waaaaaaay more than he did in Thailand lol what happened to all the hype on how these legendary elite champion Thai fighters would easily KO or destroy any Farangs???? hell he couldn't even bust a grape against Cunningham muchless hurt him hahahahahaha
@@veronicianyveronica5290 what? Kickboxing is King ask Ramon Dekkers who traveled to Thailand to whoop the Thais with their OWN rules they had to cheat to beat him but he always came to fight hell even the Thai Royalty gave him an Honorable Medal
@@omegasquad868 Oh, so cause once in a generation legend did it using kickboxing, that MUST mean the art itself is better right? So, high level kickboxer should have no problem betting a muay thai fighter, based on your old point of view i guess.
Cunningham a kickboxing style was so beautiful, I love the way he mixed of western boxing and karate so well. I truly think hed be more successful if he could check those low kicks consistently against Thais
All my respect for the Thailand men 🙏for mi he no loss . For mi is a Draw and the first one the Thailand men he win. But Peter is one the best fighter and champion the kickboxing the all times .
Damn Pete you faster that a cheetah. So happy you have these videos. Until today I’ve only seen your posters and heard tales of your matches. Good to see you in action.
The only thing the Thais needed were a good negotiator to negotiate with the rules of the fight Cunningham wanted to face any muaythai fighter but only under kick boxing rule
Everyone...even the audience knows Sakad won this fight...Cunningham was getting kicked left and right...but that doesn't score points for these judge. Shameful...con fight.
@Black Vitriol rules should be stable at least, 1st match fighters were allowed to grab the leg 2nd match fighters are not allwed to grab the leg this clearly shows the rules are being altered to favour the western fighter because cunningham had no answer for getting his side kick grabbed in the first match. winning like this is pussy shit
That was an awesome fight. You could see that Sugarfoot was really getting into his head. His boxing skills were excellent as well plus his overall speed was incredible. In regards to "style vs style", it was cool to see Sugar adopting the teep to counter those low roundhouses. The no kick catching rule was a little hard to accept but a great fighter can adapt his style to any condition. Sagat still had his low kicks and knees.
Just so that any other kickboxing system can compete with Muay Thai you have to ask Muay Thai to drop four of its weapons, sometimes 5 if you include clinching techniques.
well even though Cunningham is one of the greatest "American" kickboxers he career was very "handpicked" and he lost the first fight with Sakad and its questionable in this fight also why didn't Cunningham fight Dekker, Ballentine, coban, desiel noi, orono they all fought in his era? or was it because they didn't think much of him to warrant a fight? or they would not fight under his conditions/rules ?
***** I could see the second fight being scored for Peter under kickboxing criteria, but it was still a close fight. I've watched many varieties of kickboxing and none have been very generous in rewarding those linear kicks Peter loves to throw.
Great post and while I personally would have loved a second fight under less, not more, restricted rules than the first fight agree whole heartedly that a) Sakad agreed to the rules and b) Peter won this fight. The two fights actually showed the strength of the American Kickboxing system, though I had Sakad winning the first. Excellent fight either way, and definitely one for the history books if not only for the unique era in history it occupies but that it's the follow up to a draw from two legends in their own time. How often do you get so treated???
The Karate Kickboxer is one of my new favorite fighters. I thought Steve Vick the only one. Pete's damned near as fast as lightning! The Thai Boxer was tough as nails, too. Why can't more fights be this enjoyable?
Brendan Jackson This style completely handicaps a shorter fighter by removing the inside game ....no clinching, elbows, etc. You also can't punish lazy or poorly thrown side and push kicks with catching. This style only favors outside fighting which makes it inadequate.
***** How can you get on the inside if the taller/longer fighter can keep his leg up and you can't catch it? It's stupid. He can basically push you away the whole fight with a lazy push kick and you can't get on the inside? Get it?
***** Dude, what part of a push kick where you can keep your leg out there that can't be punished do you not understand? Can you not tell that having your leg out there and not be punished is pure stupid? Watch their first fight and see the difference it makes. Watch their first match first then come back and tell me how big of a difference catching makes. Use your eyes.
Anyone who thinks Cunningham lost this fight what are you smoking??? Sagat got a few shots in but was out-struck by a lot! Maybe you score leg kicks higher than getting punched in the face? This isn't Thai rules where getting punched is scored low. The first fight was close, the second fight wasn't.
Cunningham aprendió de la primera derrota ,esta vez supero a Sakad Petchyundee con creces , me sorprendió la velocidad desplegada por el y el uso claro y efectivo del boxeo ,cosa no vista en la pelea anterior ...además de la asesoría dada por el JET URQUIDEZ en su esquina ...leo los comentarios anteriores y discrepo claramente con ellos
Lo dudo enormemente, después de todo cree que gano la primera pelea. Lo que paso en esta fue que cambiaron un montón de reglas para favorecer a Sugar Foot, incluyendo lo que lo destruyo por completo en la primera, atrapar las patadas.
[RUS] Мне показалось, или на самом деле в углу Sugarfoot был Benny Urquidez? Тогда у него была мощная поддержка. В любом случае шикарный бой и чистая победа Sugarfoot. Таец конечно хорош, но тактически по правилам кикбоксинга он не смог переиграть оппонента. Прямолинейность, однообразие действий, к тому же грязные удары в колено не делают ему чести. К концу он сделал акцент на лоу кик в надежде положить Sugarfoot, но так и не смог этого сделать. Всем страстным поклонникам Тайланда я советую посчитать удары и только потом делать выводы.
Can't beat real Muay Thai standing up. You need to change the rules and ban, knee, elbow, low kick, kick catch. Then maybe you have a chance. Muay Thai is brutal, deadly, efficient, precise
WTF?!?!? Cunningham Couldn't do shit against a Thai not using his elbow, knees or clinches?? He couldn't even knock him down by playing with his own rules...
Everyone is focused on RULES... Heart, Stamina, Technique, and Reality should be the focus... Think if you were fighting during the time of the Khans what matters MOST! Rules or Ruelling?
This is not the real fight for the thai. Why dont they set the rule for the last man stand n no restriction as norm as thai did. U know who is going to concour the match.
I agree they should have allowed judo throws and take downs as well then the American would have won EVEN easier than he did in this fight lol a real fight right bro until one fighter is either Knocked out or submitted right? im with ya and again the winner would CLEARLY have been Cunningham
American rules doesn't allow kicks to the legs remember its all above the waist rules but regardless the Thai fighter just fought an American who wasn't scared and prepared for the low kick that's the bottomline here the American dominated and won the fight so stop crying
what the shit you talking about?! not saying that mma is best then mt or kickboxing ,just saying that i dont see today so much north american kick boxers like use to be ,bunch of fanboys all over sensible about the subject kkkkk
Estevão Aragão Did i say anything about mma no. This is not a fair comparisin to do this contrast of styles. You"ll never get a true represatation of who is better. You have to use all the tools in the stand up game. How is that a disadvantage for the kickboxer he should be well prepared. The muay thai legend is way more braver than the canadian.
i saying is that probably the market change i guest, so are less kick boxers in usa then mma fighters today kkkkkk i dont care who modality is best or worst , i like to watch more kickboxing then mma , i guest are less kickboxing events then in the 80s and 90s
Do you think a Clinch would work on Sugarfoot? Cunningham, moves around to much for that. If they allowed, Elbows don't you think Cunningham with his speed land some. Thai Boxing is Great I like that style, However it's stiff and rigged at times. There is no superior Art. I like Kickboxing and Thai Boxing equally. There's Gaps in both style's to be honest. Both fighters are Masters at what they do. I study both of them. It's about the Attributes not that style.
It would work against a thai fighter that knows how to operate a clinch, but Peter could work his way out of it. Put a Greco Roman wrestler in there to work the clinch and Sugarfoot would be slammed so hard.
Таец согласился выйти по правилам кик бокса так, что всё справедливо. А так стоит признать, что у кикеров сраки бомбят, когда им коленом под ребро заедут или высекание сделают. Тот же Уркидез, как-то выхватил пиздюлей по правилам тай бокса и потом отмазывался, что его засудили, бой был показательным, перчатки не те, волосы мешают, бабушка вовремя не разбудила и тд...что не удивительно))
"better and skillful", I dunno, their 1st fight doesn't look so one sided. Taking away the ability to catch those kicks he left out there hurt Sagats defense to it
it wasnt a Muay Thai fight so that's stupid he kicked the Thais ass and moved around and barely was touched he was just too slick the best defense is NOT to be there do you know who Bruce Lee is ???
@@omegasquad868 Bruce Lee never fought in real life Also, this fight is for a coward kick boxer, the rules is for him If the fight was under Thai rules... Easy fight
@@BlackNightOMG Would you call a Muay Thai a coward for not going into a wrestling match>? Do you think there is a reason for rules for each discipline? Think before you speak.
@@joeblackjackal6288 Yes, he is a fucking coward who wants to fight a Muay Thai fighter by taking away his weapons, by imposing rules that are taken out of the fucking shitty ass. Still, in the first fight he looked sissy and as a pussy, you can't compare the greatness of muay thai with the shit called kick boxing. In the second fight, he imposed more rules in order to win, like the sissy he is.
I know right? how about you take a kick boxer or a Muay Thai to a jiu jiu su or wrestling match only rules?? wouldn't that be fun? but wait, why isn't the kickboxing or Muay Thai guy kicking? Oh yeah, its jiu jitsu and wrestling only. I hope you learned something.
too ALL who cried about the American moving and then striking claiming he was running...….. who is considered the GOAT in MT ??? Samart Payakaroon who danced around sticking and moving so tell the GOAT hes not a REAl MT fighter *yawn*
Aye! samart was a brilliant mover but he was also brilliant with his elbows and knees . So if you ban knees and elbows from a fight against a muay thai practitioner it ain't muay thai. Its kick boxing.dont believe the hype
@@peterwaldie4478 true but this fight was contracted as a kickboxing fight with international rules being set and Sakad signed so theres not much else to say i think two things why this fight brings so much hate....first Cunningham is an American and second the Thai fighter didnt and couldnt not only NOT KO him but really was in a tough back and forth fight
This is full of shit. Throw one or two punches, then, move away. No combination Cunningham could attempt to Sakad. Side kick and side kick again. His left leg was beaten up by Sakad's low kicks. He couldn't do shit at all. Then, he is a champion? No pride. He is a housekeeper for the Anglo promotions.
+Martin Brand sagat was robbed in the cunningham fight.. but the sick kick was effective... it affects the solar plexus which can give a ko .. the leg kick can also give a ko.. both kicks are good
Cheat! Clearly Sakat won both fights, Good job by the judges and ref to cheat Sakat out of the win again. Peter cunningham can't make it on K1 either cause the rules will be against him.
If there are no kickboxing rules.. He be dead meat, if muay thai can using knee and elbow...they should know muay thai about what, not some shitty shit follow the kickboxing rules.. Thats mean kickboxing can win this shit bcoz of their rules.. They just scare of true muay thai style
I was in the audience at this fight, and the Australian crowd hated Cunningham and his fighting style. Cunningham was saved by the rules basically. No one fights like Cunningham any more because under even modified rules it's ineffective and lacks power, especially with the kicks. As for the commentators, Superfoot Wallace and his girly, flick kicks!
You sound like you've taken many kicks in your life. Please do show us the evidence of your bouts that amount to that of Sensei Peter or Sensei Wallace.
Exchanging lowkicks against a Thai goat as a freaking kickboxer is insane! On top of that his speed stamina and toughness is incredible.
One of the world's greatest kickboxers vs one of the world's greatest muay Thai fighters!!!! Brilliant fight.
Sensei, miss you. Great watching your fights. Thank you for everything. Your friend for life Gil Sotelo
The way I see it ... Thais obliged to try out the American rules. It's only fair that Americans try out the Thai rules too :) Elbows Clinches Knees Sweeps Catches
whyaipee never this black guy NEVER fought in thai rules his dancing around side kick and punches wont mean shit in thai rules
+Phon Xieng (MrMuaythai84) you're an angry yellow man. Don't cry about the rules after a loss - he was an idiot for agreeing to fight him with the American rules.
Phon Xieng You are the angry yellow person! He signed up to fight Peter knowing there will be restrictions. That's stupidity on his behave.
You might want to watch some of the jets fights on youtube. He fought many muay thia fighters, and they changed the rules. Benny was a judo blackbelt and the muay thia rules were changed so benny could not throw them.
different rules in all "fight sports". MMA. Ultimate. Choose your sport, your rules. No fight sport is "real".
nobody argues that there should be strike and kick in Judo competition.
The people that bitch continually on UA-cam about the same tired ass nonissues are Thais about kicking boxing and Brazilians about musicians not playing "real samba".
Blah blah. It is what is is. I aint what it aint. if it flies it flies.
If it FLIES, it's a bird, or a plane. Or a bug. Or a leaf in the wind. If 2 guys are fighting, in a ring, with rules, with GLOVES on, HELLO? it's a fight sport. nothing pure about it.
Pure water? No such thing.
Sport. Game. Construct. Call it art if you want. Real art. Real music. Blah blah blah.
You wear gloves? No guns, knives, biting? That real fighting?
You want to fight "real art" Muay thai, you have stay home and fight for "peanuts".
You want to fight for big money, international, you have to fight by those rules.
Cunningham deserves credit for having incredible cardio. It's hard to fight on your toes and throw so many side kicks with that much speed for so many rounds. No doubt the 1980's golden era of boxing (Sugar Ray Leonard) influenced Cunningham's style. Most modern kickboxers don't move as much as Cunningham. Although I prefer the modern crop of kickboxers, there are certainly elements of Cunningham's style that could be incorporated by today's fighters.
Re Sakad, certain Muay Thai styles transition more easily to kickboxing than others. He was seriously handicapped under kickboxing rules. If he was allowed to grab kicks I doubt Cunningham would have continued to throw side kicks after getting dumped a few times. Buakaw was successful because he started as a kicker (and later became a good boxer). IMO Samart would also have transitioned easily and would have beaten anyone in his weight class under kickboxing rules.
I really wouldn't say Sagat was handicapped here because to me it looked like he did more damage with his boxing and leg kicks.
Other dude racked up points yes but he dealt no damage at all, was on his bicycle the whole fight.
its extremely hard to fight someone with that style, its cancerous.
he was also one of the best kickboxers that time so pretty good showing from Sagat really. Sugarfoot didnt prove anything with this fight because he didnt really cause much damage.
Don't like the KB rules either. But credit to Peter. At the same time Peter wouldn't stand much of a chance in full rules Muay.
Why didn't they allow kick catching or knees? I had Sakad winning in K-1 style scoring 6 rounds to 5, I'm guessing the judges for this style score those linear side kicks as equal to the full power round house kicks, otherwise I can't see a way to justify the decision.
Lautaro Fonz Because westeners are soft.
WILHELM Metal *most
The horror of Muay Thai until you have to forbid to hold your legs. Do not use your knees. Hahaha. This era is infamous for your country and people.
im not sure how you think K1 is scored but clearly the American just out hustled out landed and out threw the Thai its really a NO brainer across the board no way the little Thai can win the fight when he threw less strikes and showed little power and was very slow got hit constantly so NO defense so basically a punching bag who occasionally threw a strike and missed weak little Thai
@@omegasquad868 FACTS
Both excellent fighters. Sugarfoot commented at end how fighters in Urquidez camp trained for Thai tactics/fighters. Effectively sugarfoot combined here the Wallace style of tactical and versatile kicking with Urquidez's effective blending of western boxing and leg kick defenses plus use of leg kicks. Unlike Rufus's fight-which showed leg kick defense is necessary in fights allowing them-once leg kicks are almost negated by good defense, then the Thai stylist has a fight on his hands. The outcome might have been different under full Thai rules, yes, but this was WKA I think? It could also be argued a different outcome under MMA rules- but that is supposition. Respect to both these fighters.
Tom G
Not a fair comparison this does not prove anything.
Fight under limited rules. Show all of his skill than a limited one.
@@boogynights oh so maybe they should have fought under MMA rules than?
@@omegasquad868 Your premise and proposition is false, since none is an MMA fighter.
Sugar foot got his ass handle to him in the 1st fight, thats why they change a shit tons of rules for the 2nd one, including the one that destroy Sugar foot on the 1st one, catching kicks. The 1st fight was a robbery to Sagat and the 2nd a joke for the rules.
@@marcelochagra3307 naw it works because MMA rules let both fighters use their full arsenal. Nobody's about to grapple in this hypothetical fight anyways.
I've watched this fight literally one hundred and eighty thousand times
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Great Fight man! Surprised that people are complaining about the Kickboxing rules. Sakad knew the rules before the fight started and agreed to them. A Muay Thai fighter fought in a World Kickboxing Championship and he lost.
That's like Rugby players, competing in a football game and the fans get mad when the Rugby player loses because of the "bad" football rules.
Anyway again great Fight Sugarfoot!
Kenmond Sanders My ass , you kick boxer want to fight with MuayThai first so you should try to fight whatever it takes in MuayThai ,if you want to proof that kickboxing is better, Dumbass !
@@@veronicianyveronica5290 did Sagat/Sakad sign the contract to fight under the kickboxing rules? yes and he lost you and the Nak Muay Nation are the ONLY ones crying the Thai sure as hell didn't care he got paid waaaaaaay more than he did in Thailand lol what happened to all the hype on how these legendary elite champion Thai fighters would easily KO or destroy any Farangs???? hell he couldn't even bust a grape against Cunningham muchless hurt him hahahahahaha
The horror of Muay Thai until you have to forbid to hold your legs. Do not use your knees. Hahaha. This era is infamous for your country and people.
@@veronicianyveronica5290 what? Kickboxing is King ask Ramon Dekkers who traveled to Thailand to whoop the Thais with their OWN rules they had to cheat to beat him but he always came to fight hell even the Thai Royalty gave him an Honorable Medal
@@omegasquad868 Oh, so cause once in a generation legend did it using kickboxing, that MUST mean the art itself is better right? So, high level kickboxer should have no problem betting a muay thai fighter, based on your old point of view i guess.
Cunningham a kickboxing style was so beautiful, I love the way he mixed of western boxing and karate so well. I truly think hed be more successful if he could check those low kicks consistently against Thais
To provide such movie t consist of rapid leg movements of were you can not check kicks your weight fluctuates on both limbs
The horror of Muay Thai until you have to forbid to hold your legs. Do not use your knees. Hahaha. This era is infamous for your country and people.
All my respect for the Thailand men 🙏for mi he no loss . For mi is a Draw and the first one the Thailand men he win. But Peter is one the best fighter and champion the kickboxing the all times .
Damn Pete you faster that a cheetah. So happy you have these videos. Until today I’ve only seen your posters and heard tales of your matches. Good to see you in action.
The only thing the Thais needed were a good negotiator to negotiate with the rules of the fight
Cunningham wanted to face any muaythai fighter but only under kick boxing rule
Everyone...even the audience knows Sakad won this fight...Cunningham was getting kicked left and right...but that doesn't score points for these judge. Shameful...con fight.
*****
...I mean, holy hell...look at those lumps on your face...wtf is that? Doesn't even look human...what happen?
kaox44 Bias judges I think.
The horror of Muay Thai until you have to forbid to hold your legs. Do not use your knees. Hahaha. This era is infamous for your country and people.
@Black Vitriol rules should be stable at least,
1st match fighters were allowed to grab the leg
2nd match fighters are not allwed to grab the leg
this clearly shows the rules are being altered to favour the western fighter because cunningham had no answer for getting his side kick grabbed in the first match.
winning like this is pussy shit
What fight are you watching, sugar foot did well. Saga couldn't get around that sidekick, it waa giving Saga problems!
That was an awesome fight. You could see that Sugarfoot was really getting into his head. His boxing skills were excellent as well plus his overall speed was incredible. In regards to "style vs style", it was cool to see Sugar adopting the teep to counter those low roundhouses. The no kick catching rule was a little hard to accept but a great fighter can adapt his style to any condition. Sagat still had his low kicks and knees.
Knees were banned, the one time he threw one the ref pulled him aside and told him not to.
Lawrencao
But the other cant adapt to the thai
Not a fair comparison if he didnt accept the fights.
Then why he didn’t adapt to fight full MuayThai techniques if he was such a great fighter, you fucking idiots!
@@veronicianyveronica5290 Cry baby.
@@boogynights You Easterns are so whiny.
coming again this video after 4 years.still feel funny.everybody can see the who the winner.
Just so that any other kickboxing system can compete with Muay Thai you have to ask Muay Thai to drop four of its weapons, sometimes 5 if you include clinching techniques.
well even though Cunningham is one of the greatest "American" kickboxers he career was very "handpicked" and he lost the first fight with Sakad and its questionable in this fight also why didn't Cunningham fight Dekker, Ballentine, coban, desiel noi, orono they all fought in his era? or was it because they didn't think much of him to warrant a fight? or they would not fight under his conditions/rules ?
Peter was a kickboxer, all those guys fought Thai rules except Ballentine.
***** The clinch was also partially restricted and its safe to say they had their own scoring criteria too.
***** I could see the second fight being scored for Peter under kickboxing criteria, but it was still a close fight. I've watched many varieties of kickboxing and none have been very generous in rewarding those linear kicks Peter loves to throw.
Great post and while I personally would have loved a second fight under less, not more, restricted rules than the first fight agree whole heartedly that a) Sakad agreed to the rules and b) Peter won this fight. The two fights actually showed the strength of the American Kickboxing system, though I had Sakad winning the first.
Excellent fight either way, and definitely one for the history books if not only for the unique era in history it occupies but that it's the follow up to a draw from two legends in their own time. How often do you get so treated???
+Abin Misra โปรดเคารพครับ
Turn off the sound and watch this fight to Michael Jackson’s BAD and everything will be in sync. Love the battle of the styles.
lmfaooo wtf
Why are the announcers so against Sagat? They clearly don’t acknowledge him.
52:26 Sagat was about to chop that leg poor sugar was praying for the bell hahaha
From my view point looks like he ATE THOSE and kept moving.
From my pont of view, Cunningham Couldn't do shit against a Thai who couldn't use knees, elbows and clinches
@@PuppyThor2307from my point of view Cunningham eat
American kicking upsets Muy Thai.
The Karate Kickboxer is one of my new favorite fighters. I thought Steve Vick the only one. Pete's damned near as fast as lightning!
The Thai Boxer was tough as nails, too.
Why can't more fights be this enjoyable?
Brendan Jackson This style is weak.
K.
Brendan Jackson This style completely handicaps a shorter fighter by removing the inside game ....no clinching, elbows, etc. You also can't punish lazy or poorly thrown side and push kicks with catching. This style only favors outside fighting which makes it inadequate.
*****
How can you get on the inside if the taller/longer fighter can keep his leg up and you can't catch it? It's stupid. He can basically push you away the whole fight with a lazy push kick and you can't get on the inside? Get it?
***** Dude, what part of a push kick where you can keep your leg out there that can't be punished do you not understand? Can you not tell that having your leg out there and not be punished is pure stupid? Watch their first fight and see the difference it makes. Watch their first match first then come back and tell me how big of a difference catching makes. Use your eyes.
sagat was definitely better
The horror of Muay Thai until you have to forbid to hold your legs. Do not use your knees. Hahaha. This era is infamous for your country and people.
Is that the only thing he can,liftING His leg like a mail dog
@@ส.ตําลึงทอง Bruh!! you have copied and pasted this shit and commented it 8 times?? The fuck?
- Americans: Cunningham
- The world: Sagat (even playing with Cunningham's rule)
Why didnt they just add i the rule, no kick to legs
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8x World Kickboxing Champion Peter “Sugarfoot” Cunningham. О нем интересно посмотреть.
I think without Benny in his corner- could be the only reason for that decision-Good fight
Those are some tough dudes. Didn't realise Cunningham was coached by the Jet. Much respect for Sakad for withstanding 11 rounds.
Steve Steves Sakad was'nt allowed to use muay thai rules of kick boxing.
@@@wilhelmmetal6718 hhhhmmmm maybe because this was a kickboxing fight? surprised to see a Thai fight longer than 5 rounds
Anyone who thinks Cunningham lost this fight what are you smoking??? Sagat got a few shots in but was out-struck by a lot! Maybe you score leg kicks higher than getting punched in the face? This isn't Thai rules where getting punched is scored low. The first fight was close, the second fight wasn't.
Cunningham aprendió de la primera derrota ,esta vez supero a Sakad Petchyundee con creces , me sorprendió la velocidad desplegada por el y el uso claro y efectivo del boxeo ,cosa no vista en la pelea anterior ...además de la asesoría dada por el JET URQUIDEZ en su esquina ...leo los comentarios anteriores y discrepo claramente con ellos
Lo dudo enormemente, después de todo cree que gano la primera pelea. Lo que paso en esta fue que cambiaron un montón de reglas para favorecer a Sugar Foot, incluyendo lo que lo destruyo por completo en la primera, atrapar las patadas.
How did he lose after knocking him down And controlling the whole fight... Sugar only landed jabs and soft kicks..
how was he controlling the fight? if you mean standing his ground getting his ass whooped then ok I guess
After Match........About Left Leg
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[RUS] Мне показалось, или на самом деле в углу Sugarfoot был Benny Urquidez? Тогда у него была мощная поддержка. В любом случае шикарный бой и чистая победа Sugarfoot. Таец конечно хорош, но тактически по правилам кикбоксинга он не смог переиграть оппонента. Прямолинейность, однообразие действий, к тому же грязные удары в колено не делают ему чести. К концу он сделал акцент на лоу кик в надежде положить Sugarfoot, но так и не смог этого сделать. Всем страстным поклонникам Тайланда я советую посчитать удары и только потом делать выводы.
Да он самый Бенни Уркидес он весь бой ему наставляет.
Start of the fight 20:44
Can't beat real Muay Thai standing up. You need to change the rules and ban, knee, elbow, low kick, kick catch. Then maybe you have a chance. Muay Thai is brutal, deadly, efficient, precise
Kesbie Antonio Perigua lol FOH sakad is garbage
Kesbie Antonio Perigua
Even with all that no damage or remote chance to beat him down.
Kesbie Antonio Perigua and the entire clinch and grappling
or really? has a Thai ever won the K1 tournament?
@@omegasquad868 Buakaw.
WTF?!?!? Cunningham Couldn't do shit against a Thai not using his elbow, knees or clinches?? He couldn't even knock him down by playing with his own rules...
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Looks like Sagat vs Chun Li ha ha
lmao yea and Sagat loses hahahahahaha
Sakad.
Everyone is focused on RULES... Heart, Stamina, Technique, and Reality should be the focus... Think if you were fighting during the time of the Khans what matters MOST! Rules or Ruelling?
This is not the real fight for the thai. Why dont they set the rule for the last man stand n no restriction as norm as thai did. U know who is going to concour the match.
K1,for those who cant realy fight
I agree they should have allowed judo throws and take downs as well then the American would have won EVEN easier than he did in this fight lol a real fight right bro until one fighter is either Knocked out or submitted right? im with ya and again the winner would CLEARLY have been Cunningham
more like Hall of shame
+Jon Vong Nice, LOL.
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American rules doesn't allow kicks to the legs remember its all above the waist rules but regardless the Thai fighter just fought an American who wasn't scared and prepared for the low kick that's the bottomline here the American dominated and won the fight so stop crying
seems that kickboxing lost a lot of space for mma in the united states today
Estevão Aragão good it was bullshit never return the favor if they can fight under muay thai rules.
Estevão Aragão
Respect for the muay thai legend.
what the shit you talking about?! not saying that mma is best then mt or kickboxing ,just saying that i dont see today so much north american kick boxers like use to be ,bunch of fanboys all over sensible about the subject kkkkk
Estevão Aragão
Did i say anything about mma no.
This is not a fair comparisin to do this contrast of styles. You"ll never get a true represatation of who is better. You have to use all the tools in the stand up game.
How is that a disadvantage for the kickboxer he should be well prepared.
The muay thai legend is way more braver than the canadian.
i saying is that probably the market change i guest, so are less kick boxers in usa then mma fighters today kkkkkk i dont care who modality is best or worst , i like to watch more kickboxing then mma , i guest are less kickboxing events then in the 80s and 90s
Do you think a Clinch would work on Sugarfoot? Cunningham, moves around to much for that. If they allowed, Elbows don't you think Cunningham with his speed land some. Thai Boxing is Great I like that style, However it's stiff and rigged at times.
There is no superior Art. I like Kickboxing and Thai Boxing equally. There's Gaps in both style's to be honest. Both fighters are Masters at what they do. I study both of them. It's about the Attributes not that style.
EMR80 You are so ignorant ...
It would work against a thai fighter that knows how to operate a clinch, but Peter could work his way out of it. Put a Greco Roman wrestler in there to work the clinch and Sugarfoot would be slammed so hard.
@Nobody Nobody2 Sakd was the very best idiot do some internet research you dumbass
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Бой был за титул Чемпиона мира по кику, а не по Тай боксу, кто ж виноват, что таец нулевой по правилам кика
Точно, нулевой!)) Это особенно хорошо в последнем раунде видно
Таец согласился выйти по правилам кик бокса так, что всё справедливо.
А так стоит признать, что у кикеров сраки бомбят, когда им коленом под ребро заедут или высекание сделают.
Тот же Уркидез, как-то выхватил пиздюлей по правилам тай бокса и потом отмазывался, что его засудили, бой был показательным, перчатки не те, волосы мешают, бабушка вовремя не разбудила и тд...что не удивительно))
this guy so goofy hopping around like a,esters bunny
+Non vong LOL.
+Non vong it's called athleticism.
Thaicko being prostrated because he cant dominate the fight..
Cunnigham was kicked or just lift his leg,555.
and what is the problem? those kicks really show that they did not hurt him
@@lgf8661 Bullshit, he was limping in the last round. when he put too much pressure on it, you can see him stagger
Sugarfoot got turned into hamburgerfoot.
if they fight thai style that black dude would of lost
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I guarantee you Saget used Qi to fill his body before this fightand he still got his ass whooped
sagat is strong but peter is a better and skillful fighter good to watch. peter won its a fact
"better and skillful",
I dunno, their 1st fight doesn't look so one sided. Taking away the ability to catch those kicks he left out there hurt Sagats defense to it
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Cunningham's ancestors 5 generations down must have felt those low kicks...
That was kickboxing law how about muay thai law
Jealous cuz Thais can't box worth a shit lol.
He make looks so bad to saca.
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These dudes are lucky that they never clashed against Daniel Larusso and the all powerful Miyagi Do karate.
My ass you won , Peter!
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Typical kickboxing gay rules. He never had the balls to fight muay thai style tho even once. 😂😂😂
it wasnt a Muay Thai fight so that's stupid he kicked the Thais ass and moved around and barely was touched he was just too slick the best defense is NOT to be there do you know who Bruce Lee is ???
@@omegasquad868 Bruce Lee never fought in real life
Also, this fight is for a coward kick boxer, the rules is for him
If the fight was under Thai rules... Easy fight
@@BlackNightOMG Would you call a Muay Thai a coward for not going into a wrestling match>? Do you think there is a reason for rules for each discipline? Think before you speak.
@@joeblackjackal6288 Yes, he is a fucking coward who wants to fight a Muay Thai fighter by taking away his weapons, by imposing rules that are taken out of the fucking shitty ass.
Still, in the first fight he looked sissy and as a pussy, you can't compare the greatness of muay thai with the shit called kick boxing.
In the second fight, he imposed more rules in order to win, like the sissy he is.
One has skills and the other is a robot
It's shame on this mate.Redicurous rule.
I know right? how about you take a kick boxer or a Muay Thai to a jiu jiu su or wrestling match only rules?? wouldn't that be fun? but wait, why isn't the kickboxing or Muay Thai guy kicking? Oh yeah, its jiu jitsu and wrestling only. I hope you learned something.
bullshit call
too ALL who cried about the American moving and then striking claiming he was running...….. who is considered the GOAT in MT ??? Samart Payakaroon who danced around sticking and moving so tell the GOAT hes not a REAl MT fighter *yawn*
Aye! samart was a brilliant mover but he was also brilliant with his elbows and knees . So if you ban knees and elbows from a fight against a muay thai practitioner it ain't muay thai.
Its kick boxing.dont believe the hype
@@peterwaldie4478 true but this fight was contracted as a kickboxing fight with international rules being set and Sakad signed so theres not much else to say i think two things why this fight brings so much hate....first Cunningham is an American and second the Thai fighter didnt and couldnt not only NOT KO him but really was in a tough back and forth fight
@@omegasquad868 Cunningham is Canadian.
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This is full of shit. Throw one or two punches, then, move away. No combination Cunningham could attempt to Sakad. Side kick and side kick again. His left leg was beaten up by Sakad's low kicks. He couldn't do shit at all. Then, he is a champion? No pride. He is a housekeeper for the Anglo promotions.
+Martin Brand You're full of shit, his technique is superb.
+Ivo Malecs His technique is superb but bare in mind Sakad could NOT play Thai rules.
Anglo promotion!
+Martin Brand sagat was robbed in the cunningham fight.. but the sick kick was effective... it affects the solar plexus which can give a ko .. the leg kick can also give a ko.. both kicks are good
+CombatFitness I've noticed that Benny the Jet Urquidez was Cunningham's cornerman. And that was great.
@ martin Brand why was Sakad not able to destroy or even hurt the American? and wait whos hand was raised...……….
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Leroy seems to be doing kung fu rather than thai boxing, especially the kicks and jumping about stance.
looks like Bruce Leroy kicked ass and won lmao
All want to fight thai kickboxers but not with thai rules 😂😂😂😂
One sided fight, sucks
Do not do anything with Thai boxers, must stand still, yes, again.
Boring rules
Peterrrr the brokennnnn left leg hahahah
Cheat! Clearly Sakat won both fights, Good job by the judges and ref to cheat Sakat out of the win again. Peter cunningham can't make it on K1 either cause the rules will be against him.
Dude this was 30 fucking years ago. Get the hell over yourself.
Peter is 58 years old. Why are you talking about glory? He's retired and old. And you still talking shit. Smh
All you whiney people please stop crying. Sugarfoot clearly won this fight. Wasnt even close.
Mr. Bond sagat is The Street Fighter boss . who is cumming ham ?
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@@bishamon7409 I guess hes the street fighters daddy lol
Worst
This very stupid glad kickboxing as evolved.
Cry baby Asian.
@@SumDumGai5 Not even Asian bra.
@@boogynights You sure cry like one, bruh.
@@SumDumGai5 your surely wrong tho about this statement.
Keep running, running and running to win!
running all over the Thais face lmao
@@omegasquad868 facts. They jealous cuz Thais can't box worth a damn.
@@brownsound545
Thais can't box
If there are no kickboxing rules.. He be dead meat, if muay thai can using knee and elbow...they should know muay thai about what, not some shitty shit follow the kickboxing rules.. Thats mean kickboxing can win this shit bcoz of their rules.. They just scare of true muay thai style
I was in the audience at this fight, and the Australian crowd hated Cunningham and his fighting style. Cunningham was saved by the rules basically. No one fights like Cunningham any more because under even modified rules it's ineffective and lacks power, especially with the kicks. As for the commentators, Superfoot Wallace and his girly, flick kicks!
You sound like you've taken many kicks in your life. Please do show us the evidence of your bouts that amount to that of Sensei Peter or Sensei Wallace.
Salad tried hard in the end, but alittle to late!
Sagat100% won this fight
No fair....Sakad is so strong man..cunningham is low level..
not even close ...not fare rules
This is Stupid, Soo many rules, might as well just do a stare down. This is not Kickboxing, its a joke.
are they kicking and Boxing?
that man didn't say that he won he beat the shit out that black man like he stole something they cheated period lol
Get your eyes checked.
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