Newark Ohio Fire Department 14 Vogel Street working structure fire Incident Command with audio
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2016
- November 24, 2016, Thanksgiving Day at 1539 hours. Newark Fire Department responded to a report of a shed/outbuilding fire at 14 Vogel Street. Upon arrival a 50 x 100 auto repair shop had heavy smoke throughout.
NFD responded on the initial assignment with 2 engines, 2 ladders, 2 medics and 1 chief officer. The assignment was upgraded to a working commercial structure fire, bringing an additional 3 engines and 1 ladder from mutual aid companies.
The bulk of the fire was located in the ceiling/roof area which was a light-weight construction. The initial attack was pulled out of the building when signs of roof collapse was noted. The fire was brought under control using three 2.5" lines.
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I can not stand when people come and leave comments and judgement's on any fire department. They all do the best they can
Good tactics on a somewhat unique fire, glad to see aggression mixed with reservation on a fire scene
Thank you, again, Chief Decker for posting a learning video. You are always appreciated! Please give more details and how attack decisions were made. Stay safe, brother
I noticed you have the new alert lights on your bunker coat. How do you like them? What brand do you recommend?
Wouldnt blocking them take time and the act of blocking them be a form of moderation, the exact thing you said you dont have time for? Just a question. :)
David Decker I am a 35 year retired firefighter. I have seen quite a few of your videos. In 35 years on the line I have seen some stupid things done on the fire ground. I have never seen that on your fire ground. What a bunch of pros. Great knock down on what was a deep seated fire with a heavy fire load. KUDOS! p.s. this shows up as posted by my wife????
Thank you. Am i'm glad you made it to retirement. There is nothing better than to see someone get there time in and be able to walk out and enjoy the retirement life. I'm hoping to join your ranks in about 5 years. Take care.
If you want to see other fire videos you can respect look at Tulsa Oklahoma fire videos. They too are great.
Everyone of these videos that I’m watching, it just impressed me how organized this chief is. He’s on it. New York needs to take note.
As much as destruction caused by fire always a pleasure to watch your videos chief Decker your calm assertive demeanor helps get job done
Better move my car, two feet, that should keep it safe. They walk among us... It's worrying.
I thought “ Fire Ground Operations were apolitical
Possibly he doesn't care about the car, moving it out of frame may not have been possible due trucks/hose lines
The point is that none of us were there and don't have the knowledge to say a damn thing
He shouldn't have been allowed to be that close to the building!
I'm less worried about that guy than the idiots driving over the 5" line that was reported over the radio to Chief Decker
I actually expected that entire structure to be razed to the ground quite quickly but it wasn't. Great work guys.
LOL, what was with that guy that got in his car then backed it up a foot and got out.
I appreciate your videos & the job your guys do. People just need to realize that there is no such thing as a perfect fire call but all we can do is learn from each one we do.
Keep up the good job
I couldn't have said it better. Nothing goes perfect.
"We got people driving over the 5 inch"....(Words that a scene commander does not want to hear on a "worker")
Excellent job Chief!! Clear and concise communication and direction to your fire ground crews. 👍
Good call Chief, regarding transitioning from direct interior to a defensive attack. I’m glad no one was injured 🚒🚒🚒
Hey sir, can you leave your car in the way, until we all get here, then move it tow feet, then stand there? Why are any of the cars still there?
Seamus McFly probably to get repaired it is an auto shop!
Betsy Merriam probably figures the fire will fix that problem with it.
The keys for the vehicles waiting to get repaired may be in the shop that is on fire. Unreachable.
@Bill Williams hey nice name
It is always special to hear that is the command officer #1 prioridty is the SAFTY of his firefighters FIRST .ALWAYS THANK YOU .💛💙
Large structure, fast moving dark smoke on arrival, seat of fire unknown, tough fire. Good fireground awareness chief
Maithem Mahdi - Do they NOT have Acetylene Tanks in American repair shops? They kind of go boom when they get hot, not one mention of what should be a clear and obvious danger at this time of fire, having been to many over the years!
You guys do a great job. Never been a firefighter, but I've worked as an EMT for a private service back in the mid 80s. Thanks for sharing your videos. Stay safe
And as always excellent fire ground tactics
Awesome communications between units responding and on scene. Communications is always the biggest complaint, this was fantastic.
OK, I have a question. Why did that man move that car two whole feet? Why bother?
I noticed that as well. What was the point?
I noticed that lame move myself. The guy should have completely moved the car away from the building.
MEK, if the car had been moved out of the way the firefighters would have had a safer wider area to work in. If the front wall had come down then the cars would have really been in the way.
Perhaps apparatus too close behind ??? Still, good question !!
I'm looking, though, at a building that may collapse on these cars !!
Excellent command of the scene with emphasis on building hazards. Good awareness of roof conditions to pull the interior crews out quickly and switch to defensive ops. Excellent work by your crews & mutual aid Chief. I was wondering if you had a Safety Officer on this fire? I don't remember hearing one on the audio.
I did not have a safety officer. During the week administrative personnel is usually available. At this fire I assumed the safety officer. I wish we had the resources for a safety officer 24/7.
This is the best firefighter I’ve seen I have been a volunteer firefighter for many many years now and I have seen a lot of different things in the fire service this bunch and David decker are at the top of the game great job guys thanks David I enjoy watching your videos
Is there a benefit to early CAFS or foam attack in a scenario like this since most of the fire load is petroleum products?
The vast majority of this fire was actually firewood and structural members. Class A foam might have helped a little if used but I don't think it would have made a noticable difference. Good question.
Through out my fire career, I have found that water was the best for extinguishing the fire, then we would most of the time switch to using class A foam during mop up for cooling & smothering the hotspots.
incident commanders hate to pull crews out, solid decision there, and well communicated.
To all questions concerning vehicle. Probably no where to go once lines were laid in. Vehicles became secondary consideration very early on.
I have a very important was there any reason why you adopted offensive strategy. Was there people inside the structure? If why risk you personnel on an empty building. Wood structures are notorious dangerous if the fire has been burning for 6.5 minutes. Upon arrival the 360 told me as much I needed to know that It should have been defensive strategy, or transition if person were know to be inside structures. Observation great call ordering the men out as soon as you did.
Good comms..good work. Decker & crew deckin' them fires. Good work. 👊🏾👌🏾
It looked like a great knockdown to me , hope no one got hurt , be safe
Little late to the party and probably a stupid question but are your mutual aid companies paid or volunteer? Great professionalism all around.
The immediate surrounding areas on this fire are paid, which would be the trucks with the designation 51, 52 and 201.
@@commandvisionfire Thanks for the info! Binge watching your videos now! Comms between companies are great, not a single raised voice at all.
Was the fire stated by a fault with a car or was it a electrical fault?.
Was this roof truss construction without bearing walls in the center?
Correct. Lightweight wood truss construction that was unprotected. This was a wide open span with no bearing walls. So when it fails it's going to come down quick and kill someone. I was able to recognize that it was starting to fail because the soffit started to arc upward. Thank God nobody got hurt on this one.
Not a fire professional but a building contractor for 40 yrs and have used a lot of trusses. They are cheap and quick to build clear span buildings with. They are EXTREMELY dangerous in a fire! The highest stressed member in them is the bottom chord (that makes the ceiling). The business of making them is so competetive that they are not "over designed" in any significant way. The failure of just one bottom chord. in the center of the building immediately transfers it's load to the one on either side, over stressing them instantly, The entire structure will collapse with no warning, in just seconds once it starts. The firemen around here pull out the interior attack once fire gets into the roof area.
@@nathanpitts1591 Thank you for your technical knowledge on this. Good information for firefighters.
Can someone tell me why chief asked for the air horn? Curious to know this. Thank you
Is it a warning because he said about the roof coming down and he wanted everyone out?
@@bobby_D It is means all personnel evacuate immediately, easy to hear above any other noise. . If you listen again you will hear a report of roof on the verge of collapsing
For my department you will hear “Command all personal Signal 41 Evacuate the building immediately all engines/trucks sound horns.”
They even build apparatus with that in mind now. Our Spartan has an on/off airhorn switch on the pump panel.
That airhorn made my hair stand up on end... Been in couple fires where they blew the horns, it definitely is an eerie sound.
what’s it for
@@dakotareid1566 It means conditions are unstable, vacate building immediately
@@nathanopfer8300 thanks
Wow...no shortage of intelligence in this world we live in, eh? Driving over a 5 inch fire hose. Smdh.
Trust me, there are some days I feel like I'm in the movie Idiocracy.
@@commandvisionfire Oh, I'm sure.
@@commandvisionfire Me too for the last 4 years.
why were the cars not moved before fire brigade arrived
the keys were in the burning building.
Dumb question: Could you have drafted out of the Licking River if you needed to?
Chief beats all the apparatus to the scene again!
Large amount of smoke from a large building = danger danger. Darkening smoke👎🏻
Don’t open the largest vent…. I mean door….2 minutes later…. Roof collapse and evac tones. Correlation?? @chief decker in retrospect, would you advise waiting on venting the windows until water on the seat of fire?
Be careful and be safe
Big building, big water. Looked good.
Excellent as always very professional Dept. I just want to know who called this in as a shed fire.
The policy holder?
NICELY DONE THEY DIDNT SCREW UP RIGHT SIZE LINE FAIRLY QUICKLY
Good job.
Fires are never a good thing. I’ve been to some fires as a volunteer life saver and you’re guys are kinda well drilled team.
Dang I hated 2 1/2's for the big ones......
That shed looks cool rip
Quick I20 call...What did you see?
There was nothing specific to indicate that this was an arson fire. Upon my arrival it met the threshold of a full fire investigation fire due to the size of the building and the dollar loss. In short, it's beyond a company level investigation like a room and contents that wouldn't tropically take much time to do.
Actually, a lot of companies & depts. make great, quick stops, w/ little water damage. I'd like to see films of that sometime.
We put a stop on the fire and the building is still standing.
Why does it seem to take so long to get water going on the fire
Amanda Hudson of you listen the hydrant was a bit away from the location. This looks to be in a rural area.
Do the engines not carry water?
NickyNick it was an engine not a pump.
NickyNick I have a feeling you have no idea what you are talking about.
Obviously I was watching a different video and accidentally clicked in wrong comments. 😂
Newark Ohio has a lot of working fires.
I kinda get the feeling that Battalion One gets all the calls in Newark. He seems to be the only one we see in these vids. He is good, though, Ill give ya that!
I have noticed a large amount of fires seem to occur in Newark Ohio is there any particular reason for this. I'm curious to know why and some of the causes if possible. A prime example is this one here
The cause of this fire was there result of combustibles stored too close to an operating wood burner.
@@commandvisionfire thank you for the information sir
Chieg any reason you cut this video short? I follow your vids... great job as usual!
Sorry that should say Chief
Running over hose lines. Come on….
My favorite thing are the people that are always flagging and pointing. Like the crew cant see the tower of smoke a mile out if not more.
another way i've been taught if horn or comms don't work give them different water pressures so they have to either use comms of come out to check to see what is going on.
Hydrants need to be set a bit closer to each other in rural areas, maybe then not so many buildings would burn to the ground.
Judi Smith not always possible as there has to be a municipal water system as a retired rural ff we relied on dry hydrants or drafting from a pond and tanker shuttle.
jay s I can conquer with that. I grew up doing volunteer work with my sheriffs dept. we responded to a couple of the fires where they needed traffic control. The departments had to mainly rely on tanker shuttles, each department only had 1 so we had to dispatch tankers to us from several other jurisdictions to keep water flows continuous. Once in a great while, there would be a private pond fixed with the well, perfect sized for their hoses. Those have saved countless lives.
Interesante la forma de iniciar el combate del fuego, uno de los primeros en llegar se acerca sin vestir su traje, el otro sin casco y con las manos en la bolsa.
It’s 3 quick but long blast on air horn
It’s not the same in every fire department.
Why no vertical ventilation?
People driving over supply lines should never happen, which is why the fire department in my city has fire police which I am part of. We direct traffic around fire and accident scenes. I know it is not common across most the country, but maybe it should be. Just my humble opinion.
Why were the vehikles not moved?
0:21 windows 98?
Yes. We run Tiburon software for CAD. So each time you hear a Windows sound that is a unit arriving or notes being added by the dispatcher.
Another good stop.
Why would that guy not move his car
That's a nice shot right there!
I'm not a fireman. I never was a fireman. I'm not going to tell them how to do their job but I have to say if my building was burning and the driver of the fire engine got out and stood there with his hands in his pockets, chances are I would be a little upset.
Well, be assured that if it's a scene Chief Decker is in charge of then you don't need to worry about it.
Not to mention that it wouldn't do you any good anyhow. Maybe show you live up to your name.
Engineers are uncharged of the trucks, including the pumps and possibly here porta tanks. They should do nothing else besides what pertains to that truck. A good engineer can and knows how to set up his pumps for maximum volume to flow. Therefore if hooked to a hydrant it's very minimal as to what say the interior team is doing or ventilation team.
@@Wreckitralph1976 he is also an extra set of eyes and ears for the incident commander. And he fetches much needed tools. It's no cakewalk if done properly. I was a paid driver/engineer for 29 years. Retired in '15. Stay safe out there brothers and sisters.
Good comment. it takes some understanding of what his job is. No doubt he is observing the scene safety and getting an idea of what demands will be put on his truck. He appears to have a calm and cool demeanor. Unexcitable. Just the type of engineer you want if you’re a ff. Just think about all the mistakes he could make that would put a life in danger. It is a job with a heavy responsibility. Next time you are near a fire engine try and count all the buttons, levers, gauges etc. it’s daunting sir bitchalot.
Text makes no sense.
Gold car, its clear go ahead turn the wheel its clear to back nevermind your better in the way
A little drama on this one. Chief was right, those steel roofs, if stick framed will barely support a human on the trusses.
Smart move
Dude just standing there after moving the car 2 feet. I don't understand. Get out of the way and let the firefighters do their jobs, if you're not going to move the car out of the way completely? -.- Some people, man.
No venting ? Even if no "Truck," can still put ground ladder up, even if not to roof.
And do what? My training tells me to stay off a light weight sheet metal roof on unprotected light weight trusses. By the way, did you hear me announce the roof was starting to fail and come down? So we should just throw ladders against the building just to say we put up ladders?
Trojanny: A general observation that can apply to anyone who may have commented on this video: before you make snide remarks or ask stupid questions, try reading through the description, listening to the whole video, and reading all the comments first.
If you're wondering if this applies to you, then here is my suggestion: if the shoe fits, wear it.
This was a fire video with no fire. 😋 (visible)
Seems like the police are normally standing around in the way and this one time you actually need them to keep people from acting like idiots they are nowhere around.
Hay hay hay come out of the building please ❤️
to many commercials!!!!!
It would have been a much more exciting video if the fire department waited until flames were visible! 😉
“Is that a fire hose? Imma run over that”
Firefighter
Why call the fire department when all they do is send the chief first then he calls for the trucks to come. By the time the trucks show up it's a lost cause. I see this on alot of videos it makes no sense send the team all together at once and make sure everyone is doing something not just standing around
Sir, do you work in the fire service?
@@commandvisionfire no but were I come from in Illinois they always send the trucks when their is a fire call . Even when I was a kid and my father was a firefighter they did back then too.
@@richardcentkowski146 Ok, I wanted to reply to you but I wasn't sure if you are civilian or trained.
A full assignment was dispatched on this run, which includes 2 ladders, 4 engines, a medic along with me. The first arriving engine & ladder came from the same station as I did. I just got out the door a little quicker than they did because I don't have to put on my fire gear. I hope that helps to answer your question. If not, just let me know. I'd be happy to help answer any questions.
@@richardcentkowski146 The department that I served for in Illinois has three stations (i.e. "districts"). Our captain (i.e. commanding officer of the shift) was almost always out the door first, as well as on scene first, simply due to the speed of his vehicle. Engines, trucks, and squads do not have the same acceleration and turning capabilities, and take longer to get on scene. In fact, though our captain was stationed in the next district, he would frequently arrive on scene first to calls in our district, which is again, due to the speed of the vehicle. Similar to the command and control leadership that Chief Decker demonstrates in his videos, our captain would direct us on approach and apparatus placement. Also, each municipality has varying operational guidelines. If you view watch some of the FDNY videos, you will see their chiefs (with a 'chauffeur' driving in a pickup truck) frequently leave the station after the apparatus.
He moron moving the car 3 inches. Wtf
Chief UA-cam is pushing Bloomberg's political ads in ur videos. I know with ur job u need to stay neutral in politics.
I have no control over which ads appear on my videos.