that "broken" compressor can be fixed by pulling down on the little nible thingi under the glas. That's a humidity chamber and sometimes the get stuck in the up position whenever the presure has been gone.
To everybody watching this video, there is an important thing to remember. As with all skills, the best tools are only as good as your skill level. High-level tools require your skill level to coincide with it. Don't expect to buy an expensive highly recommended tool and think you're going to create masterpieces. You need to put the effort and time into honing your skill first. That's why you should always start with affordable tools at your level of skill. This goes with almost every hobby/skill. Don't waste your money.
Thats why my end of the day recommendation went to the mid tier airbrush - I felt that going straight to a complex high end tool was asking for trouble, but if you could afford the middle brush VS the beginner, it was worth the jump up (dont know if this actually made it into the video, but i said it!)
For new painters, I will always recommend an iwata neo and a generic compressor (the broken one) with an air tank. Can be found on eBay for around $100aud (often sold rebranded in stores for several hundred but are the same model), and the iwata neo can be found for also around the $100 mark, or much cheaper buying one used and just replacing nozzle and needle if needed. A .35 nozzle is a good size for doing base coats and still allows for some precision, especially on things like tank models where Camo patterns don't need to be too precise. I still use mine and haven't yet felt the need to upgrade, when I do it'll probably be to a finer needle badger
Good video showcasing several levels of airbrushes! I often give new folks advice with airbrushes to avoid the cheaper ones if possible. Jazza's comment about the cheaper metal is spot on and I've legit had one of the cheaper ones explode apart under air pressure from the compressor before. The seals aren't super strong and the needles tend to bend easier. I've seen a lot of folks try to get into airbrushing and then run into component issues like that and then just never pick up an airbrush again. Just something I try to make the people I teach aware of. The mid tier, as Dave pointed out, can be a bit finicky depending on what you're doing, but overall tend to be where I tell people to start. I have a local shop that sells used mid tier airbrushes, but I feel it gives you the best "here's how you do all the admin of an airbrush" without the fear of massive component failure. The last bit of advice I usually give folks as well is to remember that the airbrush is just a tool to learn how to use / master and is not a magic fix all. It has some real good strengths and some draw backs, and as Jazza pointed out with content he watched, it's not uncommon to have a set on the table to hot swap between for specific tasks. I have a rotation of 4 with different needle sizes and purposes, just like different sized paintbrushes. Keep up the good content lads.
if you are getting the "spiderwebbing" blowout turn down your air pressure a bit. Different paints may require different pressure, even in the same paint range
I use the bottom tier airbrush with the mid tier airbrush, having used the bottom tier both... compressor completely changes the way the airbrush handles. Setup is perfect for me!
Hey Jazza, when you take the needle out of an airbrush, do not pull it backwards, push it out of the front, so you do not get paint stuck in the back of the brush.
A little off topic, but Jazza, have you considered making a book nook? It seems like something you'd like what with all the minis and diorama-like looks... just food for thought. Great info in this video, I've been thinking of getting an airbrush but didn't know where to start. Thanks for this! 😁
How much is in the airbrush and how much in the compressor? Would it be possible to try the cheap brush with the good compressor, and the good airbrush with the cheap compressor to see how those combinations perform. For someone new to airbrushing is it best to get an overall medium setup, or go all out on either airbrush or compressor and cheap out on the other?
Did the first compressor have a PSI control? Couldn't tell in the video, and it seems that a lot of problems Jave was having may hae come from too high PSI.
Lol picks up low end airbrush for the first time using and airbrush ever , complains about how he had little control but proceeds to turn out a better paint job than %50 of the people in the hobby 🤣
@Jazza; 10:20 - You're killing the Airbrush!! Man, handling a neelde and nozzle like that!! Shame on you!!! ;-D (If you want to know more how to correctly use the airbrush, just let me know)
It's probably worth noting that I had a time limit of 30 minutes per bust, I scoffed, and made it 40 minutes. And that didn't include the finishing brush work I couldn't help myself from doing on the last one.
In preparation for going at your Knights i would highly recommend checking out The Wargamers Consortiums vid on pre/post shading shown on a rhino, i used the method on all the tanks, drop pods and dreads in my Crimson Fists army, super fast and with some brush detailing and an oil wash it gives great results! Ive been using an airbrush in the cheap range with something that looks exactly like the mid tier compressor for years and its been great, just being able to prime with zenithal highlight without touching rattle cans, no worries about warm, cold or humidid weather and being able to lay down basecoat in minutes per model was a game changer when it came to my painting. Also amazing for quickly painting up terrain is invaluable. Great vid :)
Dave with how much paint you sloshed out of the cup and on to the table I have two tips to give you. 1) Learn to rock the trigger back and forth so that you are doing lots of little short bursts. This way is so that you do not have to be waving your hand/arm about as much and causing the paint to slosh around in the cup as much and hence lessening the chance of slipping. 2) Use less paint in the cup. Again this helps with lessening the chance of paint sloshing out of the cup due to hand/arm movement. Short controlled bursts are a key thing for airbrushing. Speckling really should never happen with and airbrush, which you can get from spray paint cans when starting to press or release the spray nozzle on them and is why we do the sweeping motion with them. Different tools means that we may have to learn different rules for using them. Also do yourself a favor and watch an read up on how to properly use an airbrush, unlike Jazza whose stick is doing everything blindly. Having a basic understanding of tools and materials beforehand is so helpful in allowing us to getting a far better result sooner with new tools.
The needle protector on the Harder and Steenbeck should be removed when in use. The two prong needle cap is the one you should be using. You seem to be getting a lot of air bubbles in the paint cup that’s probably due the either the needle not being seated correctly in the needle cap or the tip of the airbrush hasn’t been tightened enough. Also what needle are you using? With a finer needle the paint dilution needs be thinner.
@@narratordave7831 I have the H&S Infinity CR+. It likes thin paints and higher pressures with the fine needle, but can still be very detailed. The pinch tip needle guard is a must and the fine pressure control (FPC) valve is useful if your compressor is on the floor (like mine). The quick release paint limiter becomes invaluable once you get used to it - mine is in constant use. For compressors, I recommend a "silent" one with a decent sized reservoir like the Bambi BB8/BB15 if you are going to do much airbrushing.
@@dpdurlston-powell3851 On ultra fine needles I stick to using acrylic inks. Even Air brush paint is laughably too thick and needs to be thinned down so much I'd rather start with the higher pigmented inks.
Dave: u have the manual for this? Jazza: *laughs in kinesthetic learner* *Edit: Thanks for liking this comment, your stuff is always really funny and helpful, massive fan
Most of the problems you encountered with the cheap setup comes down to the compressor. A good compressor cam make your airbrush experiance way better. 2 things to look out for in a compressor are 1: a preasure tank 2: a moisture trap . The tank will eleminate the pulsing of the compressors motor, that might be transfered to the air flow itself and the moisture trap helps filtering out the water in the air, that can build up to tiny dropplets over time in your hose and spit it out through the air canal of the airbrush rhuining your work. Another thing is, to prevent the clogging of paints you should polish the needle with a soft foam nail polish pad and use flow improover or dry retarder in the paint.
Yeah the moisture trap has a little valve on the buttom. The "broken" compressor has it stuck in the up position. They should pull it down, wait for a littlebit of pressure to build up and it would be fixed.
Now the real question is how many of the problems that Dave had with the expensive airbrush were due to Jazza taking it apart and putting it back together?🤔
It would be interesting to combine the cheap airbrush with the expensive compressor and visa-versa to see which of both is most important to buy in high quality.
Jazza's Sense of humour and personality makes everything awesome and fun. I recently found out he had the same birthday as me and my mum told me no wonder he's exactly like you. I lovee art and Jazza Is the one who inspired me a lot
This video reminds me of review videos of cameras. Apart from comparing different airbrushes using different compressors, it should be made clear where the differences in performance, which are reflected by the price, are relevant. I am using 25 EUR internal mix airbrush to paint model cars and it is perfect for that purpose and my skills. I doubt if it will look any better if I use that 900 dollar something shown here as superior. Before getting impressed by outcome of the comparison ask yourself do you really need the features you are paying for? A Lamborghini will always beat a ford fiesta, but do you really have a highway to exploit its superior features or you need a car only to pick kids from school?
A good compressor with a tank is far more important than the brush. Yes, there are differences in brushes but you can go a long way with low and mid tier, especially with a selection of needle sizes.
Its so important to have the paint thinned proper for the needle size and also having the right pressure setting. I'm new to airbrushing and having those things right makes or breaks your experience.
As always, gentlemen, an excellent video. You drag me further into the hobby each day. Lol. I have two main questions for you guys. First, I am really just looking to airbrush for basecoat/gradient on two redemptors, two repulsors, and two gladiators. I know I don't "need" an airbrush. But if I got one for this purpose, will a budget one suit my needs? Second question, will any compressor with standard fittings work for an airbrush, provided it can maintain the proper pressure? I've got a giant tank w/compressor that would be a hell of a time to lug around, but if it saves me a couple hundred bucks I'm happy to do it at least for a while. Bonus question, can you apply a wash with an airbrush? Second bonus question, would the cheap airbrush work better with a normal compressor/tank combo? Thanks so much guys. You have really opened my eyes to a new medium for creative expression. And my wallet is hurting, but my heart is glowing. Thank you.
As long as you can turn down your large compressor to 20-30 psi you can use it. You will want a filter/water trap as well as larger compressors tend to get water in the line that you dont want in your brush. I started using a cheapy compressor but the noise inside my house was insane when it filled. I just got a better compressor but it is still a regular one just loe decibell and it works great with my airbrush. I just use an Inexpensive brush but with a good compressor you can do a lot.
I was in the same boat I just finished making one using a box fan i already had to pull the air through a cheap filter it works great i used a large cardboard box and lots of glue gun sticks.
Don't waste your money on any of these airbrushes, just buy an Olympos SP-B or SP-B Custom £190!!! I've been painting models for a while I have all the top Iwata airbrushes including multiple CMs and the Olympos SP-B runs rings around them ALL!!!
"I feel I'm more connected to the airbrush" -- Super glue makes that really easy. It's just the disconnecting from the airbrush afterwards that's hard. I recommend acetone.
The Infinity CR+ is by far my most favorite airbrush. The newer needles (version 2) are variable... Meaning if you use the .4 needle you can spray insanely thin lines (finer than a Vex / sotar 2020) and then very broad lines utilizing the .4 only with trigger control and finger finesse. Because of this I usually use the .4 needle. It's also worth noting that the air valve in the Infinity CR+ is also variable. Meaning you can control the air flow with the pressure you apply with your finger down on the trigger. You cannot do this with other manufacturers such as the Vex (Badger) where their air valves are on/off only. The more familiar you become with the Infinity the more you'll come to appreciate it and use it more. Someone already commented on the tip guard being installed while in use... That was kind of sad to see on this video when giving a review.
Soo you mean a 0.4 in the infinity is detail? Slap the 0.15 in the infinity and be amazed! I have my 0.4 needle in my Evo for general use! And right now it's a 0.2 in the infinity... Hehe The bubbling should be sorted with tightening the nozzle (and or some bee's vax on the treads) the spattering feels like a bit chunky paint. With the H&S 0.4 and smaller I tend to thin quite much. And for the air compressors to Dave I would say buy one with a 3L tank for about 100-150£\€ and you got a compressor for life (I personally prefer a twin/dual piston one, they have a more pleasant sound and don't work as hard to reach the same psi as a single one)
I have all 3 just in case, but I've only airbrushed a couple hours. Bought all the stuff for an airbrush hobby too, like stencils and micro stencils. Wish I didn't have to work...
Oh wow, I have the same "cheap" airbrush and compressor... or at least, similar models. It's OKAY. For base layers and shit like that, but while for example I have no issues with deep colors like red, or black, or brown, or blue... painting in white is a massive pain due to clogging and yellows are also horrible.
Iwata Eclipse HP-CS is an amazing brush to use. Some of the more expensive airbrushes are amazing for very specific applications but most people won't need those. You just need to learn thinning and pressure control and you won't end up with jaundice 😁 There are some Harder and Steinbecks that would be great for more general applications as well, but still super expensive and not worth the price jump for beginners.
Asking as someone with literally zero experience with air brushes and vary little experience with painting minis and figure etc: I doubt it matters for beginners, but at higher skill levels does air quality become a factor one might look out for? I’m assuming these air pumps pull from the immediate area, but if you live in areas with particularly poor air quality would you want to have a separate tank for the air you plan to use?
At 10.24 mark, Dave laughs at Jazza when he says he is more connected to the paintbrush. I know exactly what you mean, shame on you Dave for laughing! 😜
Why does the infinity cr plus costs 900$ in US? I paid 250€ for mine (exact same as you are using in this video). I have no clue what you did to your airbrushes but i also tested two different iwatas in the past and in my opinion the infinity cr plus is by far the best airbrush i ever used. What is realy important if you want to aribrush with fine needles, you need a flow improver or a drying retarder. The problem is, the high pressure air does dry out your acrylics much faster. This results in clocking the nozzle. This may become super frusrtating, It also depends on the color itself. Some clock more than others. If you dilute your color too much, you will have spider webs. If you increase air pressure to force the color out the nozzle, you will again dry the colors faster again. Mixing the color with the correct conistency and using dry retarder is essential for good results. Also if you want to airbrush high level stuff, you may also want to airbrush very thin coats and repeat the process over and over again, like you may do with glazes. But fortunately, it is much easier to do as most people expect.
I think you guys missed the level of airbrush most people buy for their first brush which is just a bit more expensive than the one you tested (about $10-$20 more) that from my experience is a fair bit better than what you got. It makes it feels like you are intentionally sabotaging the chances of the lower end brush performing similarly to the more expensive ones. You probably aren’t doing that, but that’s the effect you are having. I honestly can’t recommend that anyone spend anywhere near $200 on their first airbrush or any more than about $100 on the compressor.
It’s not just that Dave is a newbie to the Air brush. It’s the same with watercolor that if you are working with materials that is too cheaply made where you either not enough control with the tool due to how it’s made, surface is too problematic (In those case not the case for the surface as you picked higher quality minis), chalky paints (also not the problem here as the paints of higher quality).... it will frustrate the new person to the process and probably push them away from the process. Luckily Dave had Jazza’s who *did* use airbrush before that he could explain what could be possiable to do if need be.
"Airbrush pin" sealed it, you should have watched an introductory video to airbrushing before making this video. Also the sputtering is you experienced with the iwata is probably because you weren't using the correct pressure for it. All in all this video is pretty useless outside of cringe watching it.
Dammit Jazza! Send me that expensive airbrush before you break it! It was so painful watching him fumble with the knobs. I was so afraid he was gonna break it. That thing is too sexy to be broken!
It's worth noting that it's *very* easy to damage your airbrush if you are a hamfiste.. ehem.. "kinesthetic learner" just read the manual and familiarize your self with the tool before you destroy it :) Also always test your paint dilution on paper before spraying your model, if it doesn't come out with fine even coverage your've got it wrong but not destroyed your paint job ;)
I started with that same exact cheap 20 dollar airbrush and later bought the Infinity plus, here are my findings: The cheap ones are complete hit or miss because of lack of quality control. They are horrible to learn airbrushing with because it is very hard to figure out if the problem is your mixing, your control or simply the airbrush itself. The infinity is difficult to master but I love it now. It's biggest pro is how easy it is to clean.
tbf those mid tier and cheap tier are quite weirdly priced imo. the cheap tier compressor is just;...gods no... don't do that to yourself, don't get one of those small boxy things. my starting kit was like, 100ish euro and i had that same type of mid tier compressor and a generic gravity fed dual action airbrush. (a timbertech set i got from amazon methinks) and it's still the set i use today, it's just a good set at beginner/intermediate level set to get used to airbrushing imo. not too expensive, yet decent enough to do good quality airbrushing. only issue I've had with my set is that you do need to take regular breaks if you wanna airbrush for a few hours, the compressor isn't really made for running a long time and can overheat (i also airbrush cosplay props and miniature terrain, so mass producing miniature walls or doing big props etc can take a while) but that's not that big an issue imo, it's a good starter set till you find out whether you want to go spend the big bucks on airbrushes. if i want to improve my setup, i'd look for a compressor with a decent size tank so it smooths out that first sputter and is more consistent, and make sure it has a decent moisture filter thingy, cause that thing is a life saver :P but for the airbrush, i'm not that sure that there's a lot of difference between a good quality mid-range airbrush and one of the high end expensive ones maybe other peeps have more experience with that ^^
I just bought that cordless airbrush, very cheap and not great quality but definitely change the game for me. Even the cheapest airbrush is better than no airbrush. Btw, where I can find the test page? I would love to see how my air would perform in this kind of test
Kinesthetic learning, aka screwing up and breaking way, way, way more things than is good for you... wasteful and infuriating. Still enjoy the content though.
Airbrush arrived monday, got all the extras today, and start spraying paint in 30 minutes. 6 weeks of painting terrain w/ brush was enough to push me over the edge.
I feel like you should have tried an iwata neo, as it's probably one of the best airbrushes for its price and is often regarded as one of the best air brushes for general purpose beginners. Also paired with a generic compressor like the second one (broken one) but with an air tank and an inline water trap. This is pretty indicative of a decent system without spending too much, and is what a lot of people start with when they know they want to keep at it but can't justify buying expensive mod or high tier systems. Also, a lot of the issues on the better airbrushes were simply user error, you have more control, but as a result it will be less forgiving, you need to balance your air pressure and thinness of paint. He admitted this, so it is fairly stated in the video, but I feel like it is still favouring the cheap system which may be easier for a brand new beginner (no pressure control, wider nozzle is more forgiving for paint mix etc) and honestly, it doesn't take long to get the hang of the basics once you use a gun for a few hours, and I think most will agree that the better guns and compressors will be much more worthwhile than the cheap knockoff brands and small nail tech compressors.
NarratorDave - if one of your main uses for an airbrush is going to be armour, you definitely need to look at NightShift's YT channel - he's probably the best out there right now.
I have 2 airbrushes, that I have not touched in over a year, but the compressor from the second kit looks like the middle one. So if it is not meant for Airbrushes it is still being sold for air brushes the world over. Actually that reminds me that compressor is sold without a regulator I really should get around to acquiring one. You know it occurs to me that I have an even bigger but still "desk sized" compressor in the garage, I should put my cheap airbrush on that and see if that gives me a nice prime as it has a regulator on it.
A noob should invest on no less than an Iwata HP....you get what you pay for. Every Chinese knock off I've ever tried either didn't spray a straight pattern or had a leak around the seal.
You are spending way to much for those compresses. For $80au on ebay you can get an unbranded compressor with tank that is the same as the $250 branded compressors.
I would rather have a nice compressor and a cheap airbrush than vice versa. A good compressor can sometimes make up for cheaper air brush, but an expensive brush can be crippled by a poor compressor. But fun video :)
I thought they all looked better than I could produce !!! ... I'm gonna have to pull the dust cover off my el cheapo airbrush and see if a better one will help even more!!!
In my entire time as gamer i used less expensive airbrushes but i mainly just under coat and base coated with mine (rattle cans ere expensive and hard to get at the time) I would have constant blockages and lets just say i can field strip a sparmax airhox in a few seconds lol
I tried a cheap shitty brush initially. Was absolutely garbage and I gave up airbrushing. Then a year or two later I decided to try again with an iwata eclipse airbrush and it was a game changer.
I do not remove the needle through pulling it out of the back of the airbrush, residual paint might get stuck in the middle part while pulling the needle out. i prefer removing the entire middle part and pulling the needle out from the front of the needle chucking guide.
Can confirm going high end to begin isn't the best idea lol I started with a badger krome with a .2mm needle and it was a hard time learning proper use and control.
Looks like the results would have been same in the chronological order even if the expensive gear was used first. It seems to be about learning to use the tool, not about the cost of the tool.
Angel Giraldez has a really good method for attaining perfect consistency, mix in a spare mini blister (I use one of the old GW sand containers) then pour into the airbrush cup once you have the consistency right.
love those practice sheets awesome need some for upgrading my skill with that sucker any tips for dealing with ozzy summer (hot as hell and dry as a dead dingo)
that "broken" compressor can be fixed by pulling down on the little nible thingi under the glas. That's a humidity chamber and sometimes the get stuck in the up position whenever the presure has been gone.
Or, if it really was broken beyond repair, a new regulator, with pressure gauge and moisture trap, costs $20!
Every dwarf ever: “My fingers are detecting the exact alloy this is made of.”
*snickers*
AYE WHO THE 'ELL MAKIN' AXES OUT OF *NICKEL!*
To everybody watching this video, there is an important thing to remember. As with all skills, the best tools are only as good as your skill level. High-level tools require your skill level to coincide with it. Don't expect to buy an expensive highly recommended tool and think you're going to create masterpieces. You need to put the effort and time into honing your skill first. That's why you should always start with affordable tools at your level of skill. This goes with almost every hobby/skill. Don't waste your money.
Thats why my end of the day recommendation went to the mid tier airbrush - I felt that going straight to a complex high end tool was asking for trouble, but if you could afford the middle brush VS the beginner, it was worth the jump up (dont know if this actually made it into the video, but i said it!)
For new painters, I will always recommend an iwata neo and a generic compressor (the broken one) with an air tank. Can be found on eBay for around $100aud (often sold rebranded in stores for several hundred but are the same model), and the iwata neo can be found for also around the $100 mark, or much cheaper buying one used and just replacing nozzle and needle if needed.
A .35 nozzle is a good size for doing base coats and still allows for some precision, especially on things like tank models where Camo patterns don't need to be too precise. I still use mine and haven't yet felt the need to upgrade, when I do it'll probably be to a finer needle badger
The "epic" music parts were so loud I had to turn down the volume everytime and up for the voices. Can you keep the volume around the same?
Good video showcasing several levels of airbrushes!
I often give new folks advice with airbrushes to avoid the cheaper ones if possible. Jazza's comment about the cheaper metal is spot on and I've legit had one of the cheaper ones explode apart under air pressure from the compressor before. The seals aren't super strong and the needles tend to bend easier. I've seen a lot of folks try to get into airbrushing and then run into component issues like that and then just never pick up an airbrush again. Just something I try to make the people I teach aware of. The mid tier, as Dave pointed out, can be a bit finicky depending on what you're doing, but overall tend to be where I tell people to start. I have a local shop that sells used mid tier airbrushes, but I feel it gives you the best "here's how you do all the admin of an airbrush" without the fear of massive component failure. The last bit of advice I usually give folks as well is to remember that the airbrush is just a tool to learn how to use / master and is not a magic fix all. It has some real good strengths and some draw backs, and as Jazza pointed out with content he watched, it's not uncommon to have a set on the table to hot swap between for specific tasks. I have a rotation of 4 with different needle sizes and purposes, just like different sized paintbrushes.
Keep up the good content lads.
F for the Aussie lads spending their night editing this video
if you are getting the "spiderwebbing" blowout turn down your air pressure a bit. Different paints may require different pressure, even in the same paint range
I use the bottom tier airbrush with the mid tier airbrush, having used the bottom tier both... compressor completely changes the way the airbrush handles. Setup is perfect for me!
the infinity cr+ even in 2in1 costs around 250€ i never saw it for 900$ but it's still a great brush
Hey Jazza, when you take the needle out of an airbrush, do not pull it backwards, push it out of the front, so you do not get paint stuck in the back of the brush.
Great tip!
@@TabletopTime Np. have a good day
Not 100% sure cause it's hard to tell on video but some of your spidering might come down to your paint being just a little too thin.
Thinness/psi/needle diameter get this figured out and you're golden. Also make sure you clean it well.
A little off topic, but Jazza, have you considered making a book nook? It seems like something you'd like what with all the minis and diorama-like looks... just food for thought. Great info in this video, I've been thinking of getting an airbrush but didn't know where to start. Thanks for this! 😁
How much is in the airbrush and how much in the compressor? Would it be possible to try the cheap brush with the good compressor, and the good airbrush with the cheap compressor to see how those combinations perform. For someone new to airbrushing is it best to get an overall medium setup, or go all out on either airbrush or compressor and cheap out on the other?
Try painting minis with the crayola airbrush.
Did the first compressor have a PSI control? Couldn't tell in the video, and it seems that a lot of problems Jave was having may hae come from too high PSI.
I accutaly have an airbrush that I have been scared to use I might try it out soon ( when I have time)
Another great video guys. Anyone else wondering the $ value of Jazza's studio floor 🤔 soooo many dropped bits!
If only I had the space for an airbrush...
Woah first attempt using a cheap airbrush and still a stunning result. Gg mate
NOW I WANT ONE! Great vid as always.📢Foo Foo Fooooo
Dave does the best sign off's! FACT!! XD
Wait... But I'm Dazzah?
Lol picks up low end airbrush for the first time using and airbrush ever , complains about how he had little control but proceeds to turn out a better paint job than %50 of the people in the hobby 🤣
@Jazza; 10:20 - You're killing the Airbrush!! Man, handling a neelde and nozzle like that!! Shame on you!!! ;-D
(If you want to know more how to correctly use the airbrush, just let me know)
14th comment!!! 8 mins.
It's probably worth noting that I had a time limit of 30 minutes per bust, I scoffed, and made it 40 minutes. And that didn't include the finishing brush work I couldn't help myself from doing on the last one.
loved the video can't wait for the completed armies
In preparation for going at your Knights i would highly recommend checking out The Wargamers Consortiums vid on pre/post shading shown on a rhino, i used the method on all the tanks, drop pods and dreads in my Crimson Fists army, super fast and with some brush detailing and an oil wash it gives great results!
Ive been using an airbrush in the cheap range with something that looks exactly like the mid tier compressor for years and its been great, just being able to prime with zenithal highlight without touching rattle cans, no worries about warm, cold or humidid weather and being able to lay down basecoat in minutes per model was a game changer when it came to my painting.
Also amazing for quickly painting up terrain is invaluable.
Great vid :)
Your airbrush skills are better then mine and i've been using mine for nearly 2 years. Where did you get that bust from? I want one.
Dave, your facial expressions really make this video extra amazing. Thank you! 😊😁
Dave with how much paint you sloshed out of the cup and on to the table I have two tips to give you.
1) Learn to rock the trigger back and forth so that you are doing lots of little short bursts. This way is so that you do not have to be waving your hand/arm about as much and causing the paint to slosh around in the cup as much and hence lessening the chance of slipping.
2) Use less paint in the cup. Again this helps with lessening the chance of paint sloshing out of the cup due to hand/arm movement.
Short controlled bursts are a key thing for airbrushing. Speckling really should never happen with and airbrush, which you can get from spray paint cans when starting to press or release the spray nozzle on them and is why we do the sweeping motion with them. Different tools means that we may have to learn different rules for using them.
Also do yourself a favor and watch an read up on how to properly use an airbrush, unlike Jazza whose stick is doing everything blindly. Having a basic understanding of tools and materials beforehand is so helpful in allowing us to getting a far better result sooner with new tools.
The needle protector on the Harder and Steenbeck should be removed when in use.
The two prong needle cap is the one you should be using.
You seem to be getting a lot of air bubbles in the paint cup that’s probably due the either the needle not being seated correctly in the needle cap or the tip of the airbrush hasn’t been tightened enough.
Also what needle are you using?
With a finer needle the paint dilution needs be thinner.
I was secretly waiting for all these comments to come through so I could learn exactly what to do for next time XD
@@narratordave7831 I have the H&S Infinity CR+. It likes thin paints and higher pressures with the fine needle, but can still be very detailed. The pinch tip needle guard is a must and the fine pressure control (FPC) valve is useful if your compressor is on the floor (like mine). The quick release paint limiter becomes invaluable once you get used to it - mine is in constant use. For compressors, I recommend a "silent" one with a decent sized reservoir like the Bambi BB8/BB15 if you are going to do much airbrushing.
@@dpdurlston-powell3851 On ultra fine needles I stick to using acrylic inks. Even Air brush paint is laughably too thick and needs to be thinned down so much I'd rather start with the higher pigmented inks.
Dave: u have the manual for this?
Jazza: *laughs in kinesthetic learner*
*Edit: Thanks for liking this comment, your stuff is always really funny and helpful, massive fan
You realize that the like goes away when you edit the comment…
Most of the problems you encountered with the cheap setup comes down to the compressor. A good compressor cam make your airbrush experiance way better. 2 things to look out for in a compressor are 1: a preasure tank 2: a moisture trap . The tank will eleminate the pulsing of the compressors motor, that might be transfered to the air flow itself and the moisture trap helps filtering out the water in the air, that can build up to tiny dropplets over time in your hose and spit it out through the air canal of the airbrush rhuining your work. Another thing is, to prevent the clogging of paints you should polish the needle with a soft foam nail polish pad and use flow improover or dry retarder in the paint.
Yeah the moisture trap has a little valve on the buttom. The "broken" compressor has it stuck in the up position. They should pull it down, wait for a littlebit of pressure to build up and it would be fixed.
Now the real question is how many of the problems that Dave had with the expensive airbrush were due to Jazza taking it apart and putting it back together?🤔
That is likely why it was bubbling in the cup.
"Have you got the manual for it?" It's like Dave doesn't know you at all!
It would be interesting to combine the cheap airbrush with the expensive compressor and visa-versa to see which of both is most important to buy in high quality.
I have a 'cheap compressor' that looks very similar to the 'broken' one, works great with my mid-range H&S brush.
Not gonna lie, i love these videos where they're just f***ing around
Jazza's Sense of humour and personality makes everything awesome and fun. I recently found out he had the same birthday as me and my mum told me no wonder he's exactly like you. I lovee art and Jazza Is the one who inspired me a lot
Dave has changed Jazza so much in just one video. He got Jazza to read the instruction manual!! Omg
Every time I see you paint using new things, I try to tell myself I really don't need to purchase those! :D I don't!!!!
This video reminds me of review videos of cameras. Apart from comparing different airbrushes using different compressors, it should be made clear where the differences in performance, which are reflected by the price, are relevant. I am using 25 EUR internal mix airbrush to paint model cars and it is perfect for that purpose and my skills. I doubt if it will look any better if I use that 900 dollar something shown here as superior. Before getting impressed by outcome of the comparison ask yourself do you really need the features you are paying for? A Lamborghini will always beat a ford fiesta, but do you really have a highway to exploit its superior features or you need a car only to pick kids from school?
A good compressor with a tank is far more important than the brush. Yes, there are differences in brushes but you can go a long way with low and mid tier, especially with a selection of needle sizes.
I clicked when I recognized my cheap ass airbrush lol
Its so important to have the paint thinned proper for the needle size and also having the right pressure setting. I'm new to airbrushing and having those things right makes or breaks your experience.
As always, gentlemen, an excellent video. You drag me further into the hobby each day. Lol. I have two main questions for you guys. First, I am really just looking to airbrush for basecoat/gradient on two redemptors, two repulsors, and two gladiators. I know I don't "need" an airbrush. But if I got one for this purpose, will a budget one suit my needs?
Second question, will any compressor with standard fittings work for an airbrush, provided it can maintain the proper pressure? I've got a giant tank w/compressor that would be a hell of a time to lug around, but if it saves me a couple hundred bucks I'm happy to do it at least for a while. Bonus question, can you apply a wash with an airbrush? Second bonus question, would the cheap airbrush work better with a normal compressor/tank combo? Thanks so much guys. You have really opened my eyes to a new medium for creative expression. And my wallet is hurting, but my heart is glowing. Thank you.
As long as you can turn down your large compressor to 20-30 psi you can use it. You will want a filter/water trap as well as larger compressors tend to get water in the line that you dont want in your brush. I started using a cheapy compressor but the noise inside my house was insane when it filled. I just got a better compressor but it is still a regular one just loe decibell and it works great with my airbrush. I just use an Inexpensive brush but with a good compressor you can do a lot.
dude for a beginner OH MY GOOODD!!!
I have a few brushes and a compressor. But I can't use them until I get/make a paint booth. :(
I was in the same boat I just finished making one using a box fan i already had to pull the air through a cheap filter it works great i used a large cardboard box and lots of glue gun sticks.
It also needs to be noted that there are single and dual action airbrushes, and you can have the two in all types of price ranges.
Don't waste your money on any of these airbrushes, just buy an Olympos SP-B or SP-B Custom £190!!!
I've been painting models for a while I have all the top Iwata airbrushes including multiple CMs and the Olympos SP-B runs rings around them ALL!!!
Just tried airbrushing today for the first time to prime minis. Coincidence? I think not!
I want an airbrush so bad, but my wife doesn't understand that the $500 buy-in is TOTALLY worth it.
"I feel I'm more connected to the airbrush" -- Super glue makes that really easy. It's just the disconnecting from the airbrush afterwards that's hard.
I recommend acetone.
The Infinity CR+ is by far my most favorite airbrush. The newer needles (version 2) are variable... Meaning if you use the .4 needle you can spray insanely thin lines (finer than a Vex / sotar 2020) and then very broad lines utilizing the .4 only with trigger control and finger finesse. Because of this I usually use the .4 needle.
It's also worth noting that the air valve in the Infinity CR+ is also variable. Meaning you can control the air flow with the pressure you apply with your finger down on the trigger. You cannot do this with other manufacturers such as the Vex (Badger) where their air valves are on/off only.
The more familiar you become with the Infinity the more you'll come to appreciate it and use it more.
Someone already commented on the tip guard being installed while in use... That was kind of sad to see on this video when giving a review.
Soo you mean a 0.4 in the infinity is detail? Slap the 0.15 in the infinity and be amazed! I have my 0.4 needle in my Evo for general use! And right now it's a 0.2 in the infinity... Hehe
The bubbling should be sorted with tightening the nozzle (and or some bee's vax on the treads) the spattering feels like a bit chunky paint. With the H&S 0.4 and smaller I tend to thin quite much.
And for the air compressors to Dave I would say buy one with a 3L tank for about 100-150£\€ and you got a compressor for life (I personally prefer a twin/dual piston one, they have a more pleasant sound and don't work as hard to reach the same psi as a single one)
I have all 3 just in case, but I've only airbrushed a couple hours. Bought all the stuff for an airbrush hobby too, like stencils and micro stencils. Wish I didn't have to work...
Oh wow, I have the same "cheap" airbrush and compressor... or at least, similar models. It's OKAY. For base layers and shit like that, but while for example I have no issues with deep colors like red, or black, or brown, or blue... painting in white is a massive pain due to clogging and yellows are also horrible.
Iwata Eclipse HP-CS is an amazing brush to use. Some of the more expensive airbrushes are amazing for very specific applications but most people won't need those.
You just need to learn thinning and pressure control and you won't end up with jaundice 😁
There are some Harder and Steinbecks that would be great for more general applications as well, but still super expensive and not worth the price jump for beginners.
Asking as someone with literally zero experience with air brushes and vary little experience with painting minis and figure etc:
I doubt it matters for beginners, but at higher skill levels does air quality become a factor one might look out for? I’m assuming these air pumps pull from the immediate area, but if you live in areas with particularly poor air quality would you want to have a separate tank for the air you plan to use?
At 10.24 mark, Dave laughs at Jazza when he says he is more connected to the paintbrush. I know exactly what you mean, shame on you Dave for laughing! 😜
Why does the infinity cr plus costs 900$ in US? I paid 250€ for mine (exact same as you are using in this video).
I have no clue what you did to your airbrushes but i also tested two different iwatas in the past and in my opinion the infinity cr plus is by far the best airbrush i ever used.
What is realy important if you want to aribrush with fine needles, you need a flow improver or a drying retarder. The problem is, the high pressure air does dry out your acrylics much faster. This results in clocking the nozzle. This may become super frusrtating, It also depends on the color itself. Some clock more than others. If you dilute your color too much, you will have spider webs. If you increase air pressure to force the color out the nozzle, you will again dry the colors faster again.
Mixing the color with the correct conistency and using dry retarder is essential for good results. Also if you want to airbrush high level stuff, you may also want to airbrush very thin coats and repeat the process over and over again, like you may do with glazes. But fortunately, it is much easier to do as most people expect.
I think you guys missed the level of airbrush most people buy for their first brush which is just a bit more expensive than the one you tested (about $10-$20 more) that from my experience is a fair bit better than what you got. It makes it feels like you are intentionally sabotaging the chances of the lower end brush performing similarly to the more expensive ones. You probably aren’t doing that, but that’s the effect you are having. I honestly can’t recommend that anyone spend anywhere near $200 on their first airbrush or any more than about $100 on the compressor.
It’s not just that Dave is a newbie to the Air brush. It’s the same with watercolor that if you are working with materials that is too cheaply made where you either not enough control with the tool due to how it’s made, surface is too problematic (In those case not the case for the surface as you picked higher quality minis), chalky paints (also not the problem here as the paints of higher quality).... it will frustrate the new person to the process and probably push them away from the process. Luckily Dave had Jazza’s who *did* use airbrush before that he could explain what could be possiable to do if need be.
"Airbrush pin" sealed it, you should have watched an introductory video to airbrushing before making this video. Also the sputtering is you experienced with the iwata is probably because you weren't using the correct pressure for it. All in all this video is pretty useless outside of cringe watching it.
Dammit Jazza! Send me that expensive airbrush before you break it!
It was so painful watching him fumble with the knobs. I was so afraid he was gonna break it. That thing is too sexy to be broken!
It's worth noting that it's *very* easy to damage your airbrush if you are a hamfiste.. ehem.. "kinesthetic learner" just read the manual and familiarize your self with the tool before you destroy it :)
Also always test your paint dilution on paper before spraying your model, if it doesn't come out with fine even coverage your've got it wrong but not destroyed your paint job ;)
cheap looked best
I started with that same exact cheap 20 dollar airbrush and later bought the Infinity plus, here are my findings: The cheap ones are complete hit or miss because of lack of quality control. They are horrible to learn airbrushing with because it is very hard to figure out if the problem is your mixing, your control or simply the airbrush itself. The infinity is difficult to master but I love it now. It's biggest pro is how easy it is to clean.
tbf those mid tier and cheap tier are quite weirdly priced imo. the cheap tier compressor is just;...gods no... don't do that to yourself, don't get one of those small boxy things.
my starting kit was like, 100ish euro and i had that same type of mid tier compressor and a generic gravity fed dual action airbrush. (a timbertech set i got from amazon methinks) and it's still the set i use today, it's just a good set at beginner/intermediate level set to get used to airbrushing imo. not too expensive, yet decent enough to do good quality airbrushing.
only issue I've had with my set is that you do need to take regular breaks if you wanna airbrush for a few hours, the compressor isn't really made for running a long time and can overheat (i also airbrush cosplay props and miniature terrain, so mass producing miniature walls or doing big props etc can take a while)
but that's not that big an issue imo, it's a good starter set till you find out whether you want to go spend the big bucks on airbrushes.
if i want to improve my setup, i'd look for a compressor with a decent size tank so it smooths out that first sputter and is more consistent, and make sure it has a decent moisture filter thingy, cause that thing is a life saver :P but for the airbrush, i'm not that sure that there's a lot of difference between a good quality mid-range airbrush and one of the high end expensive ones maybe other peeps have more experience with that ^^
9:59 that face tells more stories than there are roleplays in this channel
I know it probably won't happen but a Jazza Friendly Jordies collab would be awesome.
I just bought that cordless airbrush, very cheap and not great quality but definitely change the game for me. Even the cheapest airbrush is better than no airbrush.
Btw, where I can find the test page? I would love to see how my air would perform in this kind of test
Kinesthetic learning, aka screwing up and breaking way, way, way more things than is good for you... wasteful and infuriating. Still enjoy the content though.
oh my, that cheap airbrush is exactly the same with mini compressor +airbrush pen
that i bought for around $40 ?
Airbrush arrived monday, got all the extras today, and start spraying paint in 30 minutes. 6 weeks of painting terrain w/ brush was enough to push me over the edge.
I feel like you should have tried an iwata neo, as it's probably one of the best airbrushes for its price and is often regarded as one of the best air brushes for general purpose beginners.
Also paired with a generic compressor like the second one (broken one) but with an air tank and an inline water trap. This is pretty indicative of a decent system without spending too much, and is what a lot of people start with when they know they want to keep at it but can't justify buying expensive mod or high tier systems.
Also, a lot of the issues on the better airbrushes were simply user error, you have more control, but as a result it will be less forgiving, you need to balance your air pressure and thinness of paint. He admitted this, so it is fairly stated in the video, but I feel like it is still favouring the cheap system which may be easier for a brand new beginner (no pressure control, wider nozzle is more forgiving for paint mix etc) and honestly, it doesn't take long to get the hang of the basics once you use a gun for a few hours, and I think most will agree that the better guns and compressors will be much more worthwhile than the cheap knockoff brands and small nail tech compressors.
I have a basic 32 PSI airbrush, might brush off the dust and try using it.
NarratorDave - if one of your main uses for an airbrush is going to be armour, you definitely need to look at NightShift's YT channel - he's probably the best out there right now.
I have 2 airbrushes, that I have not touched in over a year, but the compressor from the second kit looks like the middle one. So if it is not meant for Airbrushes it is still being sold for air brushes the world over. Actually that reminds me that compressor is sold without a regulator I really should get around to acquiring one.
You know it occurs to me that I have an even bigger but still "desk sized" compressor in the garage, I should put my cheap airbrush on that and see if that gives me a nice prime as it has a regulator on it.
A noob should invest on no less than an Iwata HP....you get what you pay for. Every Chinese knock off I've ever tried either didn't spray a straight pattern or had a leak around the seal.
You are spending way to much for those compresses. For $80au on ebay you can get an unbranded compressor with tank that is the same as the $250 branded compressors.
I would rather have a nice compressor and a cheap airbrush than vice versa. A good compressor can sometimes make up for cheaper air brush, but an expensive brush can be crippled by a poor compressor. But fun video :)
jazza is so exited his hands cant grip the little parts. lmao
He clearly fucking love the process of discovering by trial and error.
I thought they all looked better than I could produce !!! ... I'm gonna have to pull the dust cover off my el cheapo airbrush and see if a better one will help even more!!!
In my entire time as gamer i used less expensive airbrushes but i mainly just under coat and base coated with mine (rattle cans ere expensive and hard to get at the time)
I would have constant blockages and lets just say i can field strip a sparmax airhox in a few seconds lol
I tried a cheap shitty brush initially.
Was absolutely garbage and I gave up airbrushing.
Then a year or two later I decided to try again with an iwata eclipse airbrush and it was a game changer.
Check out the Cult of Paint youtube channel. They do a lot of really effective and efficient things with an airbrush.
This video: man tries advanced airbrush techniques on day one with agent provocateur teacher. Good show.
I do not remove the needle through pulling it out of the back of the airbrush, residual paint might get stuck in the middle part while pulling the needle out. i prefer removing the entire middle part and pulling the needle out from the front of the needle chucking guide.
I got an airbrush and I can wait to paint more minis . Could you do more sculpting your own figures and painting it. I think that could be great
Just came for the clickbait. Noob should use the 900 dollars one. I'm gone
I think I might get the cheap one even if it’s just for priming. Anyone know what it is? Link? Haha cheers
A big part of the problem might be that you're using Army Painter paints. They're pretty inconsistent in their consistency.
Can confirm going high end to begin isn't the best idea lol I started with a badger krome with a .2mm needle and it was a hard time learning proper use and control.
Looks like the results would have been same in the chronological order even if the expensive gear was used first. It seems to be about learning to use the tool, not about the cost of the tool.
I swear, half of jazza's videos are the epitome of "fuck around and find out"
You realise you have to empty the compressor's tank of condensation water from time to time, right?
air valve is leaking? check the manual for an easy fix OR buy a more expensive compressor
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A $900 airbrush? That's a luxury most pros could not afford. 😵
It is painful watching people who don't know what they are doing with an airbrush. . .
Angel Giraldez has a really good method for attaining perfect consistency, mix in a spare mini blister (I use one of the old GW sand containers) then pour into the airbrush cup once you have the consistency right.
I use a shot glass set that i got at a goodwill..... dump the dirty shot glasses into the sink after.
love those practice sheets awesome need some for upgrading my skill with that sucker any tips for dealing with ozzy summer (hot as hell and dry as a dead dingo)
Jazza I am so very glad that you never perform delicate surgery...