There are no words to express my gratitude for the dedication and integrity demonstrated here by Yanis and Caroline. Your contributions to this reality is beyond critically important, please don't stop fighting for this better world.
Green Party voter; wonderful to see Caroline on this. ‘Really bad things are happening’ in the UK. Yes,sadly very true. For many of us the UK is becoming relentlessly hostile. Sunak’s pronouncement on people with depression and other mental health issues is not the first time I’ve felt personally targeted. Naming things as they are is crucial in a country that still seems to be deluded about what it’s mutating into.
The problems caused by the globalized corporate structure can not be fixed by the globalized corporate structure. When the pursuit of profits is the basic operating principle, then overreach will always be inevitable.
All the best to Caroline, a brilliant politician and I 💯 agree with her we are no longer living in a free democracy but instead we are living under a fascist regime. I really hope that Yanis can win in the upcoming election to defend our freedoms and liberties. Thanks for the podcast 🙏
Yanis is the most brilliant academic I have ever come across. He understands and can link social sciences in a way that is simply amazing. Caroline is already one of my favourite British politicians.
I am so very glad to get the opportunity to understand these subjects, but I doubt seriously the oligarchy will shift anything without a population, climate and energy calamity first.
Some very simple things to do that would make a difference. Get rid of the 'first past the post system', as Caroline mentioned. Get rid of ID at voting. Hold elections on the weekend to enable more access, or hold over a couple of days. Get rid of the house of lords, as Caroline menrioned.
We have the proportional representation single transferable vote that our Republic here in Ireland was founded on, and we have citizen assemblies and a codified constitution. And we get exactly who we vote for, right down to the last vote. And we know our elected personally and can speak to them pretty easily. So, how is it that I feel so unrepresented in this democracy here in Ireland ? Of yea, Facebook and the media can manipulate the voters into opinions that will ensure its the immigration, and the foreigners, father 🇮🇪 look over there everyone. Our RTE channel here in Ireland doesn't even Tey to hide its presentation of the narrative now and channel 4 has been silenced by Iseral somehow. excellent conversation, Rauol, Caroline and Yanis. Please stay in and try and change this system 🙏
@@grainnefallon7713So true. Democracy requires an educated electorate, a reality power systems have always understood well, so you can call the system whatever fancy names you want, if propaganda is the preferred mode of information distribution, the status quo is practically guaranteed.
Perfect argument about the Prisoners Dilemna Yanis. When I was a young man I KNEW that co-operation produced better results than competition but I needed to prove it. Then I read: Robert Axelrod - The Evolution of Co-operation. Since then it has been shown that there are more complex contexts and it doesnt cover all situations - nevertheless its a great principle and I have tried to live my life by it - if in doubt, offer co-operation (or if you are buddhist act in kindness). The observation that this is good is my rationale for not needing religious belief. I would recommend to people to read it. There is much more to it - there is awareness, buddhism, the nature of consciousness, evolution, our relation with our history - but its still a great and simple principle.
A great point to highlight! Thank you. I would just add, for historical context, that Peter Alekseyevich Kropotkin wrote Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution nearly a hundred years before Axelrod’s The Evolution of Cooperation and only shortly after Darwin’s On the Origin of Species. We’ve known about this essential element of natural selection for well over a century but power systems make sure it’s buried well below the text books promoting survival of the fittest narratives that apply to society and most importantly economics.
Thank hou Yanis, Green washing is something i have emailed Caroline, and other Greens about, but nobody seemed to understand and my Green friends get cross with me. You explained it perfectly. I'll explain more to them re weaponisng. I understand my Green friends because they have worked so many years to bring about a Green change in society. Do either of you have any articles or books about this?
Democracy gained shape and strength almost at the same time that Athens built a powerful naval fleet used first to defeat the Persians at Salamis and then to impose Athenian interests and the democratic form of government on the weaker Greek cities and islands. The naval Empire that enriched the city state commanded by Pericles and aroused fear in Sparta provoked the Peloponnesian war and the defeat of Athens. Here we have several important themes to reflect on: to obtain the raw materials necessary to build warships, Athens had to devastate forests; democracy is not incompatible with the militarization of foreign policy and the emergence of imperialism abroad; the curse of exporting democratic political rule did not arise in the USA, but in Athens. Democracy, destruction of nature and political violence go hand in hand. This regime contains the seeds of its destruction. We need to create a form of governance that is historically different from democracy and politically non-authoritarian.
Money rules the World. It is sadly nothing new, but the democrycies are dying and that is frightening me. Thank you all for your brilliant podcast and many greetings from Germany.
I have not watched the series yet but I intend to. The past couple of interviews have been great but I’m struck by the glaring omission of the hijacking of public health in the last four years. I believe this accelerated the dismantling of democratic ideals.
History has taught us that very few people who want to be politicians have an egalitarian disposition. If you want the best chance of good representation, then the representatives should be nominated, and it should be viewed as an honor and responsibility to the people.
And herein lies the real crux of the issue. Politicians put forward and elected this way would mean much fairer representation and overall balance on all political matters. The really important, progressive thing would be that these people would reject corporate lobbying and finance, and do the right thing instead.
This is effectively what happens now. Prospective MPs are 'selected' by a party, and put to the vote. Who would nominate, or second; how would the public interest be defended against corporate/banking/church/ etc. interests?; who would oversee justice? Like Yanis says, things develop in ways which are evil even when there is no evil intent. It's my opinion that tptb remain typically unwilling to relinquish power because of the prisoner's dilemma, and as such this remains the human condition- revolutions arise, power is sequestered, the next empire is corrupted, and atrophies, and the next revolution foments.. It's cyclical, hence the bible, and Shakespeare, the Mahabarat, Game of Thrones, et al stay relevant. This is a prison planet unless one conforms happily, frees one's mind, or gets rich enough to buy freedom from the tyranny of living. Gosh, that all sounds quite bleak, but it really isn't that awful except that it is. Love is the answer. Do things because they're the right thing to do, be kind, be happy, be creative, express yourself unrelentingly positively, and there's a good chance good things will follow. Bonne chance x
@@ghostdancerinthemachine Hegelian dialectic, or problem, reaction, solution. This method basically involves fabricating or intensify a problem, offering a draconian solution, then settling for a “compromise” that nevertheless furthers the intended goal.”
It must be made a criminal offence for any public officials to utter or cause to be uttered any falsehoods. If the official judicial racket tefuses to enforce that Commin Law, ut must be enforced extra -judicially. Robespierre worked out a solution centuries ago. A decentralized distributed bottom up version must be mounted - one which dispenses with public spectacle... .. into the night they go ...
So right also to talk about imagination. Such a crucial way of transforming possibilities and getting out of the “there is no alternative” trap that has stifled the uk since Thatcher.
Western philosophy is too focused on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. At all cost. So logically you obtain individualistic persons. So much more than concern for society. Observe the Scandinavian people.
So sad to hear that Caroline Lucas will not be standing again. She has been the voice of reason (and often the only one). It makes me feel very sad that the pressure of being the sole Green MP has led to her feeling that it’s time to go. If only we had PR - we would have so many more Green MPs…
i love listening to and reading yanis ..i resonate with his logic and his illogic .. we must be illogical and do what is good for the hell of it..we must be the crazies ..we must live by the principles of love and truth and beauty not by these ruthless logial arguments of utilitarianism ..nothing sends shudders through my being more than the logic of atrocities in order apparently to prevent greater future atrocities ..we must dance and sing together, and sometimes alone, in the streets for the hell of it ..for the love of life ..for the love of everyone and every species ..love maybe ilogical but it is never the less the only solution ❤
I still do not understand, caroline's choice to drift to the right for the sake of the EU. I was not impressed by her speeches at 'people's vote' rallies, no mention of austerity, no mention of Climate Change, claiming Russian interference and labelling all who voted yes to Brexit as bigots. The Green party allied itself with the Blairites & Conservative Europhiles while the Labour party had a left wing leader, facing daily attacks from Caroline's new allies then. (Correction Caroline & JJ both jumped on AS bandwagon against JC in 2019, allegations that were concocted by the media caroline herself criticises) I could not understand how the Green Party could think you can get just transition for a green new deal being allied to the establishment. Since then i lost my trust and stopped voting Green
Indeed. Caroline was also instrumental in getting The Greens to adopt the ridiculous IHRA definition of antisemitism, which limits criticism of Israel. Moreover, she threw Dr David Miller under the bus by signing a letter calling for him to be investigated by Bristol University for "antisemitism". He was eventually sacked, but then took his case to court and won, meaning that now antizionism is now legally protected free speech in England and Wales, no thanks to Lucas.
Fantastic discussion, really interesting. Is there no way to encourage and make concrete the future planet parents want for their children. And young people ie teenagers and up, want for themselves. And then contrast that with the imminent future we are, in fact, creating?
I salute all three of you, and thanks for continuing to educate me. But I'm unable to agree with the "lesser evil" thesis in regard to environmental policy. I believe it's all about what these "leaders" stand to gain personally whether directly (e.g., personal income from the fossil-fuel industry) or indirectly (e.g., party donations). It's also about whom these people serve (literally). In much of the West, we know that these "leaders" are all in the pockets of the wealthy and the powerful, and money is the most powerful incentive or motivation. And if that's your incentive or motivation, it allows you no room for the kind of moral judgment that the "lesser evil" thesis implies. Indeed, Yanis himself impliedly acknowledges my views by invoking the "prisoner's dilemma."
those questions at the 30 minute mark seem questions about the fundamental nature of the human condition steeped in our vulnerability, fragility, fear and ultimate isolation in a sense of self and our ultimate delusion that we are none of these things.
Descarte says “I think ,therefore I am” rather than “I am who I am” as Aquinas in his Summa Theologica describes “God as the being who is “I am because I am” . Humanity has proclaimed himself as God. The real conflict is therefore between Faith and Reason and the mad man in the street running around proclaiming according to Nietche as the man who has killed God. Thank you all for the presentation.
Democracy never existed in the West. Welfare capitalism only existed so that the subaltern classes would not be captured by those who opposed the system. The workers achieved a good deal of bargaining power to ensure their well-being. When the socialist bloc falls, welfare capitalism ends and production is sent to Asia, where the value of labor was much cheaper and thus, those who own the means of production ensured an increase in their profits, at the same time that there was a dispossession of the working class. Apart from that, each war manufactured by the power behind the power has been restricting public freedoms, to the point of leaving them without scenery, especially now with the genocide in Palestine, where the West experiences growing totalitarianism and a population with a drastic brainwashing who lives in an illusion of democracy.
"The gardener's task is to water, with cans brimming to the top. The Lord's task to make it bloom, whether he so wills or not." ~ Mian Muhammad Baksh Do good for no reason other than doing good 🙏🏽
Will never forget when Caroline ran with the pack and attacked Corbyn. She showed her true colours. I used to respect her but she's just another liberal who throws a few bob into the bucket and says "look at me" Sad really.
There is a system in America, especially in state elections, where the person or party you vote for includes their aims/promises that are included in the vote so you can legally hold them to account if they don't do what they say.
10:40 - The biggest problem with "digital democracy" is safeguarding the voter, something which isn't currently done with postal voting. Domestic abusers are currently able to dictate how their captor votes. This can extend also to "employers" of highly vulnerable people. This could be accounted for with something along the lines of a VR headset, where it will not display unless it's sure it's being properly worn so only the wearer can view the screen, using bio-metrics to know who is wearing it. There's a bunch of clever cryptographic stuff that would need to be implemented as well, to anonomise the vote (as that's important, but crucially missing when it comes to voting on legislation), but all of this drastically raises the price, but is required to maintain a secure democracy (aside from the externalities).
The thing about the prisoner's dilemma is actually kind of weird. If there is only a SINGLE event, then indeed your selfish rational best interest leads to non-cooperation. However, life isn't just a single event, it's many events. And in that case, your selfish best interest is actually to cooperate as much as possible, but to retaliate against those that don't, while being forgiving. The many-event prisoner's dilemma actually is in complete support of "screw the consequenses".
I don't see the powerful choosing to change a system that benefits them and it's a loosing battle for us to fight against them. Wouldn't it be better for the masses to come together to create our own system?
If AI were used optimally by and for us and not against us, it can make Parliamentary representation obsolete and enable an anarchosyndicalist like direct democracy to flourish and raise everybody's living standards.
The error is these people thinking they are those who take the least from the world as they seek the most power. Cursory nods to Deliberative Democracy are an insult to those who advocate for it as the best system. These people would except the advise of Citizens Assemblies etc and then make "their " decision's as to what is politically expedient / possible in exactly the same way as is happening now. Shame and condemnation on their greedy selfishness. If they truly knew or believed that deliberative democracy was better than their personal re remuneration and prospects results they would say so and stand for it. They don't because of ignorance ignorance at best when it's staring them in the face. If you think they can be trusted take a look their greedy errors
In which country do people think they can decide over their destiny? If elections could effect something they would long been forbidden. For some to be made slaves and worse the merry go round goes faster and faster.
Democracy, History and Culture , Diverse narratives from American, Australian and Singaporean Professors 1. "China doesn't want an outdated Western style of Democracy" : ua-cam.com/video/KZAx8bJkruU/v-deo.htmlsi=xV0-z_OHEJjy5bYD 2. History and Political Culture of Meritocracy: 2 a) ua-cam.com/video/VP_SpW-DyQg/v-deo.htmlsi=J04DFzdMIDUeVGRt 2 b) ua-cam.com/users/shortsWZKU0Kr7BaA?si=b0kjRgWelzyFIodk 2c) ua-cam.com/users/shortsq0BI_PGyzek?si=biCj4FlSFJV4nM1-
I'm all for Proportional Representation but Caroline is wrong I think to say we wouldn't have got the Tory/LibDem coalition - its exactly that kind of coalition that PR enables. Coalitions are a default in a PR system.
canary in the coal mine...one issue I have with the left and progressives is this blind spot they have for demographics such as housing and worker coops, community land trusts, intentional communities and others. those demographics, thanks to their communal lifestyle, enjoy, I suspect, more rewarding lives and, therefore, better mental and emotional health and more opportunities to experience the creative experience. while there is no doubt that those on the left very much value those demographics, the amount of work they put into promoting and growing those alternative solutions is badly lacking it seems to me. canary in the coalmine...such alternative solutions showcase, point the finger in the direction of, saner lives, freer lives, more SUSTAINABLE lives. why are they sooooooo greyed out in the political discourse of the left, progressives and the greens? canary in the coalmine...when such alternative paths are threatened, are stifled, are not promoted, then they stand to, potentially, shrink in terms of numbers. sociologically, how many leftist, progressive and green politicians belong to a housing coop or a community land trust or any other such alternative collective solution. praxis...lead the way by example. break the mould and out of the bourgeois atomic, individualistic lifestyle.
Caroline was for me the last Green,look at Germany there are now many who have become brown with initial good intentions but becom🎉ing fundamentalists and acting like a cult...well received what you said Yanis
Caroline is right about nature but children, these days, are b 50:47 eing raised in a too sterile environment. They don't know the thrill of making mud pies and playing with worms. Mud under their nails at school might bring about legal procedures against the teacher and school..
My christian wife has been gorging on right-wing YTers who are all telling her that Britain and the EU have been fully taken over my Islamists, and all is lost over there. Furthermore, the entire christian world is in danger of the same thing, and it's underway everywhere.
And they are in danger they are the most persecuted and the media is ignoring it I hope your wife marries a real proud European and not some pathetic sellouts self hating Anglo
@@markarchambault4783we were told that 15 years ago so when are we gonna die now then? Mass migration and war are not topics when it comes to climate is it?
panayiamou , can someone please hire yannis some AV help. After all these years how can the matter of "audio fidelity" still be such an issue. Get a proper microphone, sit your mouth close to it, enunciate clearly. Do you really want people switching to the Joe Rogan Experience because they have the manners to take audio seriously?
I think you mean built on the backs of US taxpayers NOT the global south. As a U.S. taxpayer, and 1 person of 8 billion people on the planet, there is a numbers problem here. And since no one is actually flourishing in the U.S. (33 trillion in debt)…it is unrealistic to insist that the U.S. taxpayers must work free for the 7.8 billion until THEY flourish. And insisting that the global south needs everything that is produced by the global north seems idiotic…since you are just boosting carbon production by the amount of the 7.5 billion people who are somehow presently living well enough to continually boost their populations. And how to deal with countries like China that are increasing their fossil fuel use every year. Since they are in the global south, they don’t have to sacrifice a penny. Ditto for India. Ditto of South America. Ditto for the Middle East. The plan sounds like…..let’s just wait and bleed the U.S.. Unfortunately, there are to many straws and just one cow (that particular cow is already receiving blood transfusions). It’s a numbers problem. Even if 7.5 people overrun the U.S….not enough money to support 8 billion people.
Stand by your principles and for your values unwaveringly vs the lesser evil logic. Ask yourself this, is there ANYONE in public life with integrity, someone principled, a role-model you could holistically look up to? Someone with actual morals? People, we are surrounded and led by utter mediocrities! Mediocrities driven by not desiring anything better, by not wanting anything better for themselves, let alone someone else, because it's the easy choice!
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Please remind us on Caroline Lucas's stance on Julian Assange? On the Genocide in Gaza? Deafening silence!
Please invite the Harvard professor, philosopher and former Brazilian Minister of Strategic Affairs Roberto Unger.
I think the Natzi/Marxist community is quite limited in the end.
And powerless and feckless.
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Finally! A weekly podcast featuring Yanis! Thank you for making this 💙💙
A true heroine who will be sorely missed as a sane voice in Parliament.
There are no words to express my gratitude for the dedication and integrity demonstrated here by Yanis and Caroline. Your contributions to this reality is beyond critically important, please don't stop fighting for this better world.
Green Party voter; wonderful to see Caroline on this. ‘Really bad things are happening’ in the UK. Yes,sadly very true. For many of us the UK is becoming relentlessly hostile. Sunak’s pronouncement on people with depression and other mental health issues is not the first time I’ve felt personally targeted. Naming things as they are is crucial in a country that still seems to be deluded about what it’s mutating into.
The problems caused by the globalized corporate structure can not be fixed by the globalized corporate structure. When the pursuit of profits is the basic operating principle, then overreach will always be inevitable.
All the best to Caroline, a brilliant politician and I 💯 agree with her we are no longer living in a free democracy but instead we are living under a fascist regime. I really hope that Yanis can win in the upcoming election to defend our freedoms and liberties. Thanks for the podcast 🙏
I agree, she WAS a brilliant politician when she was an MEP. I was a big fan of hers. She shifted to the right since.
What a wonderful conversation, thank you all so much ❤
How different the country would be if Caroline had been PM.
Yanis is the most brilliant academic I have ever come across. He understands and can link social sciences in a way that is simply amazing. Caroline is already one of my favourite British politicians.
Caroline has been a brilliant MP
It’s so wonderful to hear her erudition and thoughtfulness, both in the House of Commons and elsewhere.
I am so very glad to get the opportunity to understand these subjects, but I doubt seriously the oligarchy will shift anything without a population, climate and energy calamity first.
The logic of the lesser evil. You don't need malicious people to create hell on earth. So right.
Some very simple things to do that would make a difference. Get rid of the 'first past the post system', as Caroline mentioned. Get rid of ID at voting. Hold elections on the weekend to enable more access, or hold over a couple of days. Get rid of the house of lords, as Caroline menrioned.
Really? Is that all that is wrong with the system? All is well then!
@@taraswift of course not.
What else then, cause we certainly dont hear it from Caroline. @@dianahodge6879
We have the proportional representation single transferable vote that our Republic here in Ireland was founded on, and we have citizen assemblies and a codified constitution. And we get exactly who we vote for, right down to the last vote. And we know our elected personally and can speak to them pretty easily. So, how is it that I feel so unrepresented in this democracy here in Ireland ? Of yea, Facebook and the media can manipulate the voters into opinions that will ensure its the immigration, and the foreigners, father 🇮🇪 look over there everyone. Our RTE channel here in Ireland doesn't even Tey to hide its presentation of the narrative now and channel 4 has been silenced by Iseral somehow.
excellent conversation, Rauol, Caroline and Yanis. Please stay in and try and change this system 🙏
@@grainnefallon7713So true. Democracy requires an educated electorate, a reality power systems have always understood well, so you can call the system whatever fancy names you want, if propaganda is the preferred mode of information distribution, the status quo is practically guaranteed.
Perfect argument about the Prisoners Dilemna Yanis. When I was a young man I KNEW that co-operation produced better results than competition but I needed to prove it. Then I read: Robert Axelrod - The Evolution of Co-operation. Since then it has been shown that there are more complex contexts and it doesnt cover all situations - nevertheless its a great principle and I have tried to live my life by it - if in doubt, offer co-operation (or if you are buddhist act in kindness). The observation that this is good is my rationale for not needing religious belief. I would recommend to people to read it. There is much more to it - there is awareness, buddhism, the nature of consciousness, evolution, our relation with our history - but its still a great and simple principle.
A great point to highlight! Thank you. I would just add, for historical context, that Peter Alekseyevich Kropotkin wrote Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution nearly a hundred years before Axelrod’s The Evolution of Cooperation and only shortly after Darwin’s On the Origin of Species. We’ve known about this essential element of natural selection for well over a century but power systems make sure it’s buried well below the text books promoting survival of the fittest narratives that apply to society and most importantly economics.
Thanks! I will check these works out! 🙏😁
Thank hou Yanis, Green washing is something i have emailed Caroline, and other Greens about, but nobody seemed to understand and my Green friends get cross with me. You explained it perfectly. I'll explain more to them re weaponisng. I understand my Green friends because they have worked so many years to bring about a Green change in society. Do either of you have any articles or books about this?
Democracy gained shape and strength almost at the same time that Athens built a powerful naval fleet used first to defeat the Persians at Salamis and then to impose Athenian interests and the democratic form of government on the weaker Greek cities and islands. The naval Empire that enriched the city state commanded by Pericles and aroused fear in Sparta provoked the Peloponnesian war and the defeat of Athens. Here we have several important themes to reflect on: to obtain the raw materials necessary to build warships, Athens had to devastate forests; democracy is not incompatible with the militarization of foreign policy and the emergence of imperialism abroad; the curse of exporting democratic political rule did not arise in the USA, but in Athens. Democracy, destruction of nature and political violence go hand in hand. This regime contains the seeds of its destruction. We need to create a form of governance that is historically different from democracy and politically non-authoritarian.
Fantastic minds ! So illuminating and hopeful
Thank you
Excellent on Lesser EVIL! THANK YOU
Money rules the World. It is sadly nothing new, but the democrycies are dying and that is frightening me.
Thank you all for your brilliant podcast and many greetings from Germany.
You've connected everything! 🤯Computer shutting down.
Caroline....GOOD POWER TO YOU + YOUR LIGHTFULLY WORK..❤😊🎉
My two favourite political people together in conversation. Wow. Love it
I have not watched the series yet but I intend to. The past couple of interviews have been great but I’m struck by the glaring omission of the hijacking of public health in the last four years. I believe this accelerated the dismantling of democratic ideals.
The dead don't vote!
Excellent thoughts and analyses with logical consequences. Thank you.
History has taught us that very few people who want to be politicians have an egalitarian disposition. If you want the best chance of good representation, then the representatives should be nominated, and it should be viewed as an honor and responsibility to the people.
And herein lies the real crux of the issue. Politicians put forward and elected this way would mean much fairer representation and overall balance on all political matters. The really important, progressive thing would be that these people would reject corporate lobbying and finance, and do the right thing instead.
This is effectively what happens now. Prospective MPs are 'selected' by a party, and put to the vote.
Who would nominate, or second; how would the public interest be defended against corporate/banking/church/ etc. interests?; who would oversee justice?
Like Yanis says, things develop in ways which are evil even when there is no evil intent. It's my opinion that tptb remain typically unwilling to relinquish power because of the prisoner's dilemma, and as such this remains the human condition- revolutions arise, power is sequestered, the next empire is corrupted, and atrophies, and the next revolution foments.. It's cyclical, hence the bible, and Shakespeare, the Mahabarat, Game of Thrones, et al stay relevant. This is a prison planet unless one conforms happily, frees one's mind, or gets rich enough to buy freedom from the tyranny of living.
Gosh, that all sounds quite bleak, but it really isn't that awful except that it is. Love is the answer. Do things because they're the right thing to do, be kind, be happy, be creative, express yourself unrelentingly positively, and there's a good chance good things will follow. Bonne chance x
@@ghostdancerinthemachine Hegelian dialectic, or problem, reaction, solution. This method basically involves fabricating or intensify a problem, offering a draconian solution, then settling for a “compromise” that nevertheless furthers the intended goal.”
Excellent conversation
Excellent!
Great content and speakers as always
Subscribed for Yanis' exposition of why we should reject consequentialism.
Many thanks, it's a democracy of the oligarchy : " censorship, Financial lobbies, dictatorship
Thanks!
Thank you all for your amazing work.
Virtue is its own reward.
The banality of the evil. What excellent insight by Hannah Arendt. And you. 😂❤
Great convo. Thanks for your work.
Very informative and useful. I'm surprised that UA-cam is not just taking it down!
Thanks for sharing!
From the Greens in AZ, thank you all for this conversation!!!!
It must be made a criminal offence for any public officials to utter or cause to be uttered any falsehoods.
If the official judicial racket tefuses to enforce that Commin Law, ut must be enforced extra -judicially.
Robespierre worked out a solution centuries ago.
A decentralized distributed bottom up version must be mounted - one which dispenses with public spectacle...
.. into the night they go ...
So right also to talk about imagination. Such a crucial way of transforming possibilities and getting out of the “there is no alternative” trap that has stifled the uk since Thatcher.
‘The fallacy of the lesser evil’ love it 🥰
Brainlets plattitudes 😂
Western philosophy is too focused on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. At all cost. So logically you obtain individualistic persons. So much more than concern for society. Observe the Scandinavian people.
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Never forget her crucial role in the deposing of Corbyn and thwarting his Brexit deal. The brass neck on these people.
Didn't realise that! Would have thought Caroline and Corbyn would have agreed on green issues
Would love to see Yanis on JRE
Democracy is a good idea that's destroyed by the same people who created it but with strong feudalistic tendency.
So sad to hear that Caroline Lucas will not be standing again. She has been the voice of reason (and often the only one). It makes me feel very sad that the pressure of being the sole Green MP has led to her feeling that it’s time to go. If only we had PR - we would have so many more Green MPs…
If only the majority would listen and understand.
i love listening to and reading yanis ..i resonate with his logic and his illogic .. we must be illogical and do what is good for the hell of it..we must be the crazies ..we must live by the principles of love and truth and beauty not by these ruthless logial arguments of utilitarianism ..nothing sends shudders through my being more than the logic of atrocities in order apparently to prevent greater future atrocities ..we must dance and sing together, and sometimes alone, in the streets for the hell of it ..for the love of life ..for the love of everyone and every species ..love maybe ilogical but it is never the less the only solution ❤
Corporate power has fully aligned with political power. The perfect form of fascism according to Mussolini. Its here, established and active.
I still do not understand, caroline's choice to drift to the right for the sake of the EU. I was not impressed by her speeches at 'people's vote' rallies, no mention of austerity, no mention of Climate Change, claiming Russian interference and labelling all who voted yes to Brexit as bigots. The Green party allied itself with the Blairites & Conservative Europhiles while the Labour party had a left wing leader, facing daily attacks from Caroline's new allies then. (Correction Caroline & JJ both jumped on AS bandwagon against JC in 2019, allegations that were concocted by the media caroline herself criticises) I could not understand how the Green Party could think you can get just transition for a green new deal being allied to the establishment. Since then i lost my trust and stopped voting Green
Indeed. Caroline was also instrumental in getting The Greens to adopt the ridiculous IHRA definition of antisemitism, which limits criticism of Israel. Moreover, she threw Dr David Miller under the bus by signing a letter calling for him to be investigated by Bristol University for "antisemitism". He was eventually sacked, but then took his case to court and won, meaning that now antizionism is now legally protected free speech in England and Wales, no thanks to Lucas.
Sorry the like button sometimes doesn't work and I wonder why not.
Fantastic discussion, really interesting. Is there no way to encourage and make concrete the future planet parents want for their children. And young people ie teenagers and up, want for themselves. And then contrast that with the imminent future we are, in fact, creating?
Love love love you Yanis.
Yanis are you planning to come to
Montreal to give a talk?
I salute all three of you, and thanks for continuing to educate me.
But I'm unable to agree with the "lesser evil" thesis in regard to environmental policy. I believe it's all about what these "leaders" stand to gain personally whether directly (e.g., personal income from the fossil-fuel industry) or indirectly (e.g., party donations).
It's also about whom these people serve (literally). In much of the West, we know that these "leaders" are all in the pockets of the wealthy and the powerful, and money is the most powerful incentive or motivation. And if that's your incentive or motivation, it allows you no room for the kind of moral judgment that the "lesser evil" thesis implies. Indeed, Yanis himself impliedly acknowledges my views by invoking the "prisoner's dilemma."
those questions at the 30 minute mark seem questions about the fundamental nature of the human condition steeped in our vulnerability, fragility, fear and ultimate isolation in a sense of self and our ultimate delusion that we are none of these things.
Descarte says “I think ,therefore I am” rather than “I am who I am” as Aquinas in his Summa Theologica describes “God as the being who is “I am because I am” . Humanity has proclaimed himself as God. The real conflict is therefore between Faith and Reason and the mad man in the street running around proclaiming according to Nietche as the man who has killed God. Thank you all for the presentation.
Nietzsche 🙂
Yanis for president ❤
Democracy never existed in the West. Welfare capitalism only existed so that the subaltern classes would not be captured by those who opposed the system. The workers achieved a good deal of bargaining power to ensure their well-being. When the socialist bloc falls, welfare capitalism ends and production is sent to Asia, where the value of labor was much cheaper and thus, those who own the means of production ensured an increase in their profits, at the same time that there was a dispossession of the working class. Apart from that, each war manufactured by the power behind the power has been restricting public freedoms, to the point of leaving them without scenery, especially now with the genocide in Palestine, where the West experiences growing totalitarianism and a population with a drastic brainwashing who lives in an illusion of democracy.
"The gardener's task is to water, with cans brimming to the top.
The Lord's task to make it bloom, whether he so wills or not."
~ Mian Muhammad Baksh
Do good for no reason other than doing good 🙏🏽
I voted for Green in the local and county council elections. Greens now have 800 seats!!!
I will keep saying this, this podcast would benefit from an interesting voice/guest like Roberto Unger, the author of the book The Knowledge Economy.
Will never forget when Caroline ran with the pack and attacked Corbyn. She showed her true colours. I used to respect her but she's just another liberal who throws a few bob into the bucket and says "look at me" Sad really.
She didn't do that. It was more complicated than that.
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There is a system in America, especially in state elections, where the person or party you vote for includes their aims/promises that are included in the vote so you can legally hold them to account if they don't do what they say.
Really? I wish I had known!
as always great episode...just little shock when I heard Caroline making compliments to AOC. For anyone who follows her politics should know better.
10:40 - The biggest problem with "digital democracy" is safeguarding the voter, something which isn't currently done with postal voting. Domestic abusers are currently able to dictate how their captor votes. This can extend also to "employers" of highly vulnerable people.
This could be accounted for with something along the lines of a VR headset, where it will not display unless it's sure it's being properly worn so only the wearer can view the screen, using bio-metrics to know who is wearing it.
There's a bunch of clever cryptographic stuff that would need to be implemented as well, to anonomise the vote (as that's important, but crucially missing when it comes to voting on legislation), but all of this drastically raises the price, but is required to maintain a secure democracy (aside from the externalities).
The thing about the prisoner's dilemma is actually kind of weird. If there is only a SINGLE event, then indeed your selfish rational best interest leads to non-cooperation. However, life isn't just a single event, it's many events. And in that case, your selfish best interest is actually to cooperate as much as possible, but to retaliate against those that don't, while being forgiving. The many-event prisoner's dilemma actually is in complete support of "screw the consequenses".
I don't see the powerful choosing to change a system that benefits them and it's a loosing battle for us to fight against them. Wouldn't it be better for the masses to come together to create our own system?
I’m preparing for the next wave.
If AI were used optimally by and for us and not against us, it can make Parliamentary representation obsolete and enable an anarchosyndicalist like direct democracy to flourish and raise everybody's living standards.
The error is these people thinking they are those who take the least from the world as they seek the most power. Cursory nods to Deliberative Democracy are an insult to those who advocate for it as the best system. These people would except the advise of Citizens Assemblies etc and then make "their " decision's as to what is politically expedient / possible in exactly the same way as is happening now. Shame and condemnation on their greedy selfishness.
If they truly knew or believed that deliberative democracy was better than their personal re remuneration and prospects results they would say so and stand for it. They don't because of ignorance ignorance at best when it's staring them in the face. If you think they can be trusted take a look their greedy errors
three very wise minds indeed.good conversation.
In which country do people think they can decide over their destiny? If elections could effect something they would long been forbidden. For some to be made slaves and worse the merry go round goes faster and faster.
Englishness used to be associated with nature.
Your religion was nature worship.
Democracy, History and Culture , Diverse narratives from American, Australian and Singaporean Professors 1. "China doesn't want an outdated Western style of Democracy" :
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2. History and Political Culture of Meritocracy:
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2 b) ua-cam.com/users/shortsWZKU0Kr7BaA?si=b0kjRgWelzyFIodk
2c)
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I'm all for Proportional Representation but Caroline is wrong I think to say we wouldn't have got the Tory/LibDem coalition - its exactly that kind of coalition that PR enables. Coalitions are a default in a PR system.
Yannis ...take a big eye of her...❤😊
canary in the coal mine...one issue I have with the left and progressives is this blind spot they have for demographics such as housing and worker coops, community land trusts, intentional communities and others. those demographics, thanks to their communal lifestyle, enjoy, I suspect, more rewarding lives and, therefore, better mental and emotional health and more opportunities to experience the creative experience. while there is no doubt that those on the left very much value those demographics, the amount of work they put into promoting and growing those alternative solutions is badly lacking it seems to me.
canary in the coalmine...such alternative solutions showcase, point the finger in the direction of, saner lives, freer lives, more SUSTAINABLE lives. why are they sooooooo greyed out in the political discourse of the left, progressives and the greens?
canary in the coalmine...when such alternative paths are threatened, are stifled, are not promoted, then they stand to, potentially, shrink in terms of numbers.
sociologically, how many leftist, progressive and green politicians belong to a housing coop or a community land trust or any other such alternative collective solution. praxis...lead the way by example. break the mould and out of the bourgeois atomic, individualistic lifestyle.
You're following his remarkable johnny?
Caroline was for me the last Green,look at Germany there are now many who have become brown with initial good intentions but becom🎉ing fundamentalists and acting like a cult...well received what you said Yanis
Caroline is right about nature but children, these days, are b 50:47 eing raised in a too sterile environment. They don't know the thrill of making mud pies and playing with worms. Mud under their nails at school might bring about legal procedures against the teacher and school..
Bexit and why we must NEVER have a referendum on capital punishment or euthanasia. Barb
They are kidding you .
foreign aid is .5% to 1% gdp of rich nations. why? there is no world govt. that is how much households give voluntarily to charity.
My christian wife has been gorging on right-wing YTers who are all telling her that Britain and the EU have been fully taken over my Islamists, and all is lost over there. Furthermore, the entire christian world is in danger of the same thing, and it's underway everywhere.
Please reassure her that it's not true.in the UK we are more at risk from our politicians than the Muslims here.
And they are in danger they are the most persecuted and the media is ignoring it
I hope your wife marries a real proud European and not some pathetic sellouts self hating Anglo
Anyone have any info on a British YTer whose last name is Tousi? He's at the forefront of the hate my wife is feeding on.
The right have always had the psychologists advising how to manipulate the population. Perhaps the left now need some advisers of their own
broken or bought?
Democracy what democracy? Those coupon clipping Insider dealers are done for. Incontinent Uncle Sam your days of greed is good are numbered.
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Climate catastrophe...I stopped there.
Wait a few years and it'll be apparent even to the deniers. Should be already!
@@markarchambault4783we were told that 15 years ago so when are we gonna die now then?
Mass migration and war are not topics when it comes to climate is it?
panayiamou , can someone please hire yannis some AV help. After all these years how can the matter of "audio fidelity" still be such an issue. Get a proper microphone, sit your mouth close to it, enunciate clearly. Do you really want people switching to the Joe Rogan Experience because they have the manners to take audio seriously?
So let's hear where you two stand on the zionist state then? Either of you taken the money?
I think you mean built on the backs of US taxpayers NOT the global south. As a U.S. taxpayer, and 1 person of 8 billion people on the planet, there is a numbers problem here. And since no one is actually flourishing in the U.S. (33 trillion in debt)…it is unrealistic to insist that the U.S. taxpayers must work free for the 7.8 billion until THEY flourish. And insisting that the global south needs everything that is produced by the global north seems idiotic…since you are just boosting carbon production
by the amount of the 7.5 billion people who are somehow presently living well enough to continually boost their populations. And how to deal with countries like China that are increasing their fossil fuel use every year. Since they are in the global south, they don’t have to sacrifice a penny. Ditto for India. Ditto of South America. Ditto for the Middle East. The plan sounds like…..let’s just wait and bleed the U.S.. Unfortunately, there are to many straws and just one cow (that particular cow is already receiving blood transfusions). It’s a numbers problem. Even if 7.5 people overrun the U.S….not enough money to support 8 billion people.
We all pay taxes in the UK even those on low incomes.
What if Climate Change is A Hoax and we have created a better World for no reason ... ? 🤔
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Stand by your principles and for your values unwaveringly vs the lesser evil logic. Ask yourself this, is there ANYONE in public life with integrity, someone principled, a role-model you could holistically look up to? Someone with actual morals? People, we are surrounded and led by utter mediocrities! Mediocrities driven by not desiring anything better, by not wanting anything better for themselves, let alone someone else, because it's the easy choice!
I'm a human. Can I have a human represent me, instead of green rectangles. I'll be fine myself, but you won't.
The most legendary MP! Soon the dam will break and we'll have many more Green MPs insha'Allah