@5:13 He *unintentionally* demonstrated the disadvantages of a street tire on an offroading trail while he was talking about the wheel being a disadvantage. Wild. Great video
Hey Marty, if it's not too humid in California, you can harness the power of evaporative cooling to cool your body down by up to 10 or 15 degrees. Here's how you do it: 1. Buy one (or two) small cooling gym towels that are really absorbent. 2. Soak them in water before you ride, then wring them a bit to make sure they are not dripping wet. 3. Wrap it around your face and neck. I wrap the additional towel around my abdomen. Make sure it has excellent contact with your skin. You want to ride like you're wearing a wet t-shirt underneath. 4. The towel will dry and lower the surface temperature of your skin exactly the way sweating works. 5. Bring a ziplock bag with you and a bottle of water. 6. Rehyrdrate the towel(s) by putting the them in the ziplock bag and pourin some water in. 7. Each wet towel should last you up to two hours depending on how dry and hot the air is. This is how the military cool themselves down during desert missions. It is cheap and effective. But you can also buy branded cooling vests from motorcycle shops that does the same thing. Heat exhaustion is no joke!! Ride safe, Marty.
Thanks. Yes, I know this. I actually own special towels for that purpose. I didn't bring them. I didn't have extra water. Great suggestions and thank you, but a few days too late :-)
Between Roger almost eating sh 😂 and you almost having a heat stroke, this episode was full of excitement 🎉 Marty! ” If you are watching this video, I made it “ 🐐😎
A motor that is wound for speed and high RPMs will inevitably have poor efficiency at low speeds and high torque demands, like when climbing a long steep slope. It will draw a lot od curent and the motor and power electronics will overheat. This is the daily bread of RC car enthusiasts - finding the motor with the correct number of turns (=copper wire windings) and the correct gear ratio.
Older rider, F'd ankle and a street tire on a loose dirt trail - you did well 👍 I remember going on a trail the 1st time, had a V10F with steet tire, would not attempt that anymore with a street tire. Hitting some loose sand on my MasterV3 with a nice knobby is enough of a challenge for this 60 year old 🤣 Cheers
You know…. I have been thinking about this video… I have come to a conclusion…. See, the biggest problems arise from mostly people getting their wheels from the manufacturer or the dealer already put together(but 99 percent of the time manufacturers)in most videos where there was something wrong, screws, wires, offset plugs, broken this, no thread lock that… is where manufacturers who are doing their job in a hurry or whatever conditions. Then, we have our first impressions, and really…. It’s usually “NOT” about the wheel… more how it was assembled, broken screw and the like.. In all honesty, the only way that we can receive wheels and know exactly everything about it without that is “after” something that happened because of!!! In getting your wheel unassembled allows you to 1. Know your wheel!!! 2.know how it was assembled 3.if anything goes wrong your gonna know 4. And for us detailed oriented individuals that will go through and perfectly assemble, grease all that needs greased… and if anything wrong at that point… we will spot it before finding out in the gutter. I am not sure how and why wheels assembled is a thing and really… it should either be a choice, or just unassembled in the first place!!! I am a perfectionist and I love to tinker… and putting my wheel together myself would have been a must if it was an option… then, first impressions are about the wheel, and not the manufacturers (which people get the wrong impression about a wheel because a person got a lemon!!) it doesn’t make much sence… having them already put together, it would me me, or a reputable shop, not some manufacturing that if you ever got your haircut at Supercuts… you know… get in, get out that’s it, detail??? Right …. No, that ain’t gonna happen..
For some clarification, it was Adam G who was running a little on the warm side, he was on the ex30 and getting into the upper 60s. Celeste and I were both on masters and running mid 60s. We stopped at one point and Adam's ex30 temps were about to touch 70, but as soon as he stopped sitting on it it dropped 5-10c. Sitting on the wheel and forcing it to support your weight at idle is actually pretty stressful on the controller especially since nothing has fans anymore. Definitely shouldn't overheat like you said, but the lack of airflow stacks up really quick.
with all your testing of euc's we are lookin for a 3rd for our dad. my brother and I have falcons but need something a little bigger. v14, patton, lynx, t4 max or pro ?
Sympa le ride on sent que tu n'es pas super à l'aise par moment et ça se comprend. Et la légende qui part en glissade et qui se crashe ça ne doit pas être souvent de voir ça, sacré roger!🙂
Man, I rode the blitz up some crazy steep mountains with a street tire in China 😂 it was so so difficult. It was well over 100°F and very humid. Didn't have any overheating issues... super weird
@ElectricUnicycles still interesting haha other ride said his master v1 was running 70°c on your ride which I understand lol rode master v3 through mountains often and it would get hot on a hot day uphill
Nice observations about the Blitz being too light for the trail, and your Lynx envy. Just got my Sherman-L to complement the Lynx. It's great, the power is similar but definitely more of a body ride than the Lynx. I thought the Blitz had a speed motor, so not as much torque? Might not be the ideal wheel for the mountain, you're kind of confirming it. Scary just watching you ride the sand on that street tire.
@@ElectricUnicycles By the way, regarding your range test comparison between street and knobby (thank you!), PSI might be a bigger factor. Used to ride at 35 for that (now 33).
5 hours to go 24 miles@6.24mph average moving speed is brutal. I think the wheel temperature was fine. Seeing your stats, I believe the wheel temperature can be explained by the slow moving uphill ride. Most people are not going to have all of those variables happening at one time to create that scenario. If I can only go 6 miles an hour on a 24 mile ride I’m probably gonna turn around. 🤣
You read the stat's wrong. The "ride" was 5-hours long, which included a long rest break at the top with the other people, misc small breaks. The "movement duration" was 3h 51m. And of course this was a 25-miles trails ride that included climbing 4700-feet. These kind of rides are never going to be that fast. But yes, must people won't be riding like that. I think I explained during the video that the overheating wasn't really all the wheels fault.
I understand you need to put more current through a motor with smaller magnets to achieve the same torque as a motor with bigger magnets. More current, more heat! I’m putting my money on loose wheel mount bolts!
Great video Marty, I broke my tailbone on montain trail 2 weeks ago and I understand when you say that we don't realise how much our bones are solicited until it has been broken! 😅 How roger cans do this ride without water?
Just to put it in here. Following some Spanish riders in Madrid/Valencia (Oneride) and they have had some overheating on the ET MAX during racing this hot summer. They almost all ride Lynx
Great video Marty ... I don't quite understand why someone didn't hang back with you knowing you had ankle issues and a wheel that was a bit hot. Why the rush to get to the bottom? ... I would have thought travelling alone when there is a pack of 6-8 people someone would have hung back with you just in case .... hell if you would have had a major breakdown, you would have been screwed. I would like to think a few people at the end would have come looking for you had you not returned ... but maybe I'm reading too much into this one.
It will be interesting to see a comparison review of this vs Lynx off-road. I like the Leaperkim wheels, but the price delta makes the Blitz appealing. And it doesn't need the pedals immediately replaced like the Lynx does. Leaperkim, please give us decent pedals out of the box.
Marty, I know you and Roger are far more experienced and knowledgeable about these things than I am. But... I think overheating is totally reasonable under these circumstances. I don't know what affect air cooling might have on the Blitz if it's moving fast, but let's keep in mind that it's moving rather slowly throughout this hill climb. That's bad for airflow. Any electric motor is working its hardest when it is producing high torque at low RPM. It's going to draw the most current and generate the most heat. Climbing slowly up a loose mountain trail is just about the worst-case scenario for an electric motor. And for an EUC, riding slowly downhill is no relief because these wheels can't coast. On top of all of that, the Blitz has a motor wound for speed over torque, and you're demanding torque for a prolonged period of time. My guess is it would run cooler if you pushed it to a high speed on flat pavement all day.
It's been running fine (regards temperatures) on the street. Based on my years of riding EUC's (including mountain trails like this), many of the modern EUC's run cooler than the Blitz. Your points are valid, but they apply to all EUC's and clearly ALL EUC's do not run as hot as the Blitz. There were many EUC's on this ride and some ran hotter than others - see a comment below regarding this. For 95% of the use cases the Blitz will be just fine.
Nice to see the road Blitz doing fairly good on moondust. But ya, a good knobby will do wonders. Unsure if I would agree that a heavier wheel will perform better as that 'bouncing around' (or not) is primarily suspenion setup. & ofcos a knobby would provide much needed grip & more importantly confidence. Shall eagerly await the debut of the dirt Blitz, hopefully with adjustable ped height, as thats what I'm primarily interested in the Blitz for. Master v4 serves my street needs wonderfully (which fwiw easily blasted up our local overheat hill at a max of 52c). That overheating is somewhat concerning so def no batch 1 for me. But Fun trailin Marty 😅. BTW hows the low end torque vs the Lynx?
That trail was pretty manicured and definitely would be classified as an “easy/beginner” dirt trail. Because he had a recently broken ankle, a street tire, and not enough fluids, it appeared much harder than it really is.
@@ElectricUnicycles So 36Kg is light, but 39kg is heavy? 43,5 MPH is slow? Really, for Marty Becke is V14 slow? Battery is the same, charge speed is better for V14, power is better for V14, torque is better for V14, built quality is better, price is better.... This trail you just did is better on V14. But sure you can't compare these wheels :).
@@TheDownloader86 Have you ridden the Blitz? The V14 is a much smaller wheel than the Blitz yet it's a heavier wheel. So in relative terms, the V14 is a very heavy wheel. It feels heavy compared to the Blitz. It's just common sense that you don't compare 16-inch wheels to 20-inch EUC's. I'm not saying the V14 is bad. I'm saying that it's nonsensical to compare the two. IMHO.
I can't ride seating during trail like this. Vast majority of riders can't. And I can't ride seated on such a small wheel. I ride seated on my bigger wheels during my road rides. Never trails :-)
Vous êtes fous de rouler avec des températures pareil moi dés qu'il fait 30 32 degrés C je ne roule pas voir très peu sur de petites distances et surtout sans équipement en roulant doucement. Je préfère l'automne ou l'hiver pour les rides avec tout l'équipement.
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@5:13 He *unintentionally* demonstrated the disadvantages of a street tire on an offroading trail while he was talking about the wheel being a disadvantage. Wild. Great video
Hey Marty, if it's not too humid in California, you can harness the power of evaporative cooling to cool your body down by up to 10 or 15 degrees.
Here's how you do it:
1. Buy one (or two) small cooling gym towels that are really absorbent.
2. Soak them in water before you ride, then wring them a bit to make sure they are not dripping wet.
3. Wrap it around your face and neck. I wrap the additional towel around my abdomen. Make sure it has excellent contact with your skin. You want to ride like you're wearing a wet t-shirt underneath.
4. The towel will dry and lower the surface temperature of your skin exactly the way sweating works.
5. Bring a ziplock bag with you and a bottle of water.
6. Rehyrdrate the towel(s) by putting the them in the ziplock bag and pourin some water in.
7. Each wet towel should last you up to two hours depending on how dry and hot the air is.
This is how the military cool themselves down during desert missions. It is cheap and effective. But you can also buy branded cooling vests from motorcycle shops that does the same thing. Heat exhaustion is no joke!!
Ride safe, Marty.
Thanks. Yes, I know this. I actually own special towels for that purpose. I didn't bring them. I didn't have extra water. Great suggestions and thank you, but a few days too late :-)
Between Roger almost eating sh 😂 and you almost having a heat stroke, this episode was full of excitement 🎉 Marty! ” If you are watching this video, I made it “ 🐐😎
@30:00 Marty because it's in your blood man. The mountains will always be calling
A motor that is wound for speed and high RPMs will inevitably have poor efficiency at low speeds and high torque demands, like when climbing a long steep slope. It will draw a lot od curent and the motor and power electronics will overheat. This is the daily bread of RC car enthusiasts - finding the motor with the correct number of turns (=copper wire windings) and the correct gear ratio.
Rogers wipeout had me pissing myself laughing!!😂😂😂
Thanks guys you always make my day !! ✨🙏✨
Older rider, F'd ankle and a street tire on a loose dirt trail - you did well 👍
I remember going on a trail the 1st time, had a V10F with steet tire, would not attempt that anymore with a street tire. Hitting some loose sand on my MasterV3 with a nice knobby is enough of a challenge for this 60 year old 🤣
Cheers
Great upload Marty, I’ve learned a lot from your videos and continue to watch for enjoyment as well. Cheers from Olympia WA
Yup, street tire was definitely not for that trail! Great video! I'm beginning to like the Blitz! I may buy one.
You know…. I have been thinking about this video… I have come to a conclusion…. See, the biggest problems arise from mostly people getting their wheels from the manufacturer or the dealer already put together(but 99 percent of the time manufacturers)in most videos where there was something wrong, screws, wires, offset plugs, broken this, no thread lock that… is where manufacturers who are doing their job in a hurry or whatever conditions. Then, we have our first impressions, and really…. It’s usually “NOT” about the wheel… more how it was assembled, broken screw and the like.. In all honesty, the only way that we can receive wheels and know exactly everything about it without that is “after” something that happened because of!!!
In getting your wheel unassembled allows you to 1. Know your wheel!!! 2.know how it was assembled 3.if anything goes wrong your gonna know 4. And for us detailed oriented individuals that will go through and perfectly assemble, grease all that needs greased… and if anything wrong at that point… we will spot it before finding out in the gutter.
I am not sure how and why wheels assembled is a thing and really… it should either be a choice, or just unassembled in the first place!!! I am a perfectionist and I love to tinker… and putting my wheel together myself would have been a must if it was an option… then, first impressions are about the wheel, and not the manufacturers (which people get the wrong impression about a wheel because a person got a lemon!!) it doesn’t make much sence… having them already put together, it would me me, or a reputable shop, not some manufacturing that if you ever got your haircut at Supercuts… you know… get in, get out that’s it, detail??? Right …. No, that ain’t gonna happen..
Well done Marty, a solid pass. Roger you're antics are hilarious. 6 pac Gord
you can do it!!!!! 25 mi is nothing compared to your regular 100 miler🤙
When you said the return was a 1 or a 2 and he goes "so it was fine then" that line was so funny lol
Roger for the save!!😂😂
Your ride down reminded me of my ride up Mt Wilson on the Tour. I keep saying "I thought this was supposed to be fun."
For some clarification, it was Adam G who was running a little on the warm side, he was on the ex30 and getting into the upper 60s. Celeste and I were both on masters and running mid 60s. We stopped at one point and Adam's ex30 temps were about to touch 70, but as soon as he stopped sitting on it it dropped 5-10c. Sitting on the wheel and forcing it to support your weight at idle is actually pretty stressful on the controller especially since nothing has fans anymore. Definitely shouldn't overheat like you said, but the lack of airflow stacks up really quick.
Curious what the 2 lynx were at that time if anyone knows. I know modern LK wheels run quite cool.
with all your testing of euc's we are lookin for a 3rd for our dad. my brother and I have falcons but need something a little bigger. v14, patton, lynx, t4 max or pro ?
Damm i just finish 1 Marty vid & he releases another. There are not enough hours in the day too keep up with the content
Sympa le ride on sent que tu n'es pas super à l'aise par moment et ça se comprend. Et la légende qui part en glissade et qui se crashe ça ne doit pas être souvent de voir ça, sacré roger!🙂
Marty, have you tried a zamst a2-dx ankle brace? I wear one over my sock and in my regular size shoe.
No. The one I have looks similar but maybe not as high quality. Thanks. I'll add it to my "potential buy" list 👍
Lol Roger at 5:18
What ankle brace do you use , I have the same ankle condition, only worse , cause I needed screws and plates.
Man, I rode the blitz up some crazy steep mountains with a street tire in China 😂 it was so so difficult. It was well over 100°F and very humid. Didn't have any overheating issues... super weird
It was probably because I was sitting on it for ~10-minutes, driving up the temps. It's been running cool on all my street riding.
@ElectricUnicycles still interesting haha other ride said his master v1 was running 70°c on your ride which I understand lol rode master v3 through mountains often and it would get hot on a hot day uphill
Nice observations about the Blitz being too light for the trail, and your Lynx envy. Just got my Sherman-L to complement the Lynx. It's great, the power is similar but definitely more of a body ride than the Lynx.
I thought the Blitz had a speed motor, so not as much torque? Might not be the ideal wheel for the mountain, you're kind of confirming it.
Scary just watching you ride the sand on that street tire.
The motor had plenty of power for this ride - no torque issues. But I'll pass on the street tire :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles By the way, regarding your range test comparison between street and knobby (thank you!), PSI might be a bigger factor. Used to ride at 35 for that (now 33).
What do you mean by “more of a body ride than the lynx”?
Nice riding. Does it make me old that I remember pedal clips on the Nikola? :😃
Yes
@@ElectricUnicycles 🤣
At 00:05:28 I think Roger may have crashed. I'm not sure.
5 hours to go 24 miles@6.24mph average moving speed is brutal.
I think the wheel temperature was fine. Seeing your stats, I believe the wheel temperature can be explained by the slow moving uphill ride. Most people are not going to have all of those variables happening at one time to create that scenario. If I can only go 6 miles an hour on a 24 mile ride I’m probably gonna turn around. 🤣
You read the stat's wrong. The "ride" was 5-hours long, which included a long rest break at the top with the other people, misc small breaks. The "movement duration" was 3h 51m. And of course this was a 25-miles trails ride that included climbing 4700-feet. These kind of rides are never going to be that fast.
But yes, must people won't be riding like that. I think I explained during the video that the overheating wasn't really all the wheels fault.
Man never seen u looking so shattered u was a broken man on this ride. Cant wait for the strip down vid to see what the issue was
5:20 hahaha 🤣
I understand you need to put more current through a motor with smaller magnets to achieve the same torque as a motor with bigger magnets. More current, more heat! I’m putting my money on loose wheel mount bolts!
For those who are going to start in the unicycle world, which model would you recommend?
Looking forward to a "Blitz teardown" to figure out where that noise is coming from.
Great video Marty, I broke my tailbone on montain trail 2 weeks ago and I understand when you say that we don't realise how much our bones are solicited until it has been broken! 😅
How roger cans do this ride without water?
Just to put it in here. Following some Spanish riders in Madrid/Valencia (Oneride) and they have had some overheating on the ET MAX during racing this hot summer. They almost all ride Lynx
Roger! Doing it for the views xD
Roger, Roger, Roger!!!! 😆😆😆🙏🙏🙏🙏👊👊👊👊
Great video Marty ... I don't quite understand why someone didn't hang back with you knowing you had ankle issues and a wheel that was a bit hot. Why the rush to get to the bottom? ... I would have thought travelling alone when there is a pack of 6-8 people someone would have hung back with you just in case .... hell if you would have had a major breakdown, you would have been screwed. I would like to think a few people at the end would have come looking for you had you not returned ... but maybe I'm reading too much into this one.
Total agreement. 6 pac Gord
Multiple riders offered to stay with me. I told them to go on without me. I've done lots of rides like this by myself. Don't blame the other rides :-)
I feel like Marty leaked the new wheel that is suppose to come out in Oct but who knows
I hope not 😆, otherwise it's going to be a disappointment
It will be interesting to see a comparison review of this vs Lynx off-road. I like the Leaperkim wheels, but the price delta makes the Blitz appealing. And it doesn't need the pedals immediately replaced like the Lynx does. Leaperkim, please give us decent pedals out of the box.
I don't see this surpassing the lynx, but I agree the stock pedals are not good.
Marty, I know you and Roger are far more experienced and knowledgeable about these things than I am. But... I think overheating is totally reasonable under these circumstances.
I don't know what affect air cooling might have on the Blitz if it's moving fast, but let's keep in mind that it's moving rather slowly throughout this hill climb. That's bad for airflow.
Any electric motor is working its hardest when it is producing high torque at low RPM. It's going to draw the most current and generate the most heat. Climbing slowly up a loose mountain trail is just about the worst-case scenario for an electric motor. And for an EUC, riding slowly downhill is no relief because these wheels can't coast.
On top of all of that, the Blitz has a motor wound for speed over torque, and you're demanding torque for a prolonged period of time. My guess is it would run cooler if you pushed it to a high speed on flat pavement all day.
It's been running fine (regards temperatures) on the street. Based on my years of riding EUC's (including mountain trails like this), many of the modern EUC's run cooler than the Blitz. Your points are valid, but they apply to all EUC's and clearly ALL EUC's do not run as hot as the Blitz. There were many EUC's on this ride and some ran hotter than others - see a comment below regarding this.
For 95% of the use cases the Blitz will be just fine.
Nice to see the road Blitz doing fairly good on moondust. But ya, a good knobby will do wonders. Unsure if I would agree that a heavier wheel will perform better as that 'bouncing around' (or not) is primarily suspenion setup. & ofcos a knobby would provide much needed grip & more importantly confidence. Shall eagerly await the debut of the dirt Blitz, hopefully with adjustable ped height, as thats what I'm primarily interested in the Blitz for. Master v4 serves my street needs wonderfully (which fwiw easily blasted up our local overheat hill at a max of 52c). That overheating is somewhat concerning so def no batch 1 for me. But Fun trailin Marty 😅. BTW hows the low end torque vs the Lynx?
At this point I don't think I have much to say about torque. But on weight alone it should feel like it has more torque
First comment 🎉
It looks like you really struggled on this wheel😢. C32 is not the one... 2kg less than a c38
What’s Matts UA-cam link?
It's posted in the video, where I said I'd post it. And always look in the Description 🙂
Very difficult terrain!
That trail was pretty manicured and definitely would be classified as an “easy/beginner” dirt trail. Because he had a recently broken ankle, a street tire, and not enough fluids, it appeared much harder than it really is.
5:20. What's wrong with him?
But it's logical? If you force the lightning up there, it will overheat. Give the bike to someone who rides it and it will work.
V14 is much better wheel for the money :).
Sorry, you can't seriously compare a HEAVY 16-inch slow wheel to a LIGHT 20-inch fast wheel.
@@ElectricUnicycles So 36Kg is light, but 39kg is heavy? 43,5 MPH is slow? Really, for Marty Becke is V14 slow? Battery is the same, charge speed is better for V14, power is better for V14, torque is better for V14, built quality is better, price is better.... This trail you just did is better on V14. But sure you can't compare these wheels :).
@@TheDownloader86 Have you ridden the Blitz? The V14 is a much smaller wheel than the Blitz yet it's a heavier wheel. So in relative terms, the V14 is a very heavy wheel. It feels heavy compared to the Blitz. It's just common sense that you don't compare 16-inch wheels to 20-inch EUC's. I'm not saying the V14 is bad. I'm saying that it's nonsensical to compare the two. IMHO.
I feel your ankle pain by proxy, that did not look fun
Ride seated give some brick
To your ankle
I can't ride seating during trail like this. Vast majority of riders can't. And I can't ride seated on such a small wheel. I ride seated on my bigger wheels during my road rides. Never trails :-)
@@ElectricUnicycles understand
Wheel sounds sooo bad toward the end.
Vous êtes fous de rouler avec des températures pareil moi dés qu'il fait 30 32 degrés C je ne roule pas voir très peu sur de petites distances et surtout sans équipement en roulant doucement. Je préfère l'automne ou l'hiver pour les rides avec tout l'équipement.
I live in a very hot climate so the blitz doesnt sound good for my area.