Our REAL Feelings about Ventress Returning
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- Eric and Aaron talk about and discuss the return of Asajj Ventress in Star Wars: The Bad Batch last week.
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I absolutely want to see "The Death and Resurrection of Asajj Ventress" 3 episode arc on Tales of the Jedi but we already know how she was resurrected. Asajj was embraced by the spirits and magick in a pool of ichor.
i have a strong feeling we will get ventress episodes in tales of the jedi shorts.
Her fight with the batch has to be the best hand to hand combat we’ve seen in Star Wars. I can’t think of anything better. It was so good.
Yes it was incredible!
Clone wars season 4 episode 20 is my personal favorite
@@jacksonyon5276 Yeah that was pretty good too. And both were Ventress episodes. She’s got hands. 😂
@@JK_of_Today fr
the fight was great but .. i dont even know how to describe it, the framerate of the fight looked strange? almost like a speeded up stop motion movies? i dont know, it was not in tune with the rest of the episode
I always wanted to see a Ventress spinoff.
Still hopping Dark Desciple turns into a TV show
I've seen some speculation that there could be a "The Path" show coming along after The Bad Batch is over.
Across some of the recent shows and games we've seen a fair bit of The Path, and it could be interesting to have a show about them. Ventress could be back along with Quinlan, you could get Merrin in there from Jedi Survivor, any characters that survive this last season of The Bad Batch, and maybe Tala from the Kenobi show depending on what year they set it.
@@gazzamanazza4pm I am wondering whether Ventress will meet Ashoka and the mothers of the Nightsisters. I mean her backstory is heavily built on them so it would be interesting to see what side she will chose in the upcoming Tarkin related storylines.
You guys are just awesome! Your both are an awesome part of the SW fandome! Never change.
I was always a star wars fan but only movies and these guys and their channel got me into the shows and a book. So glad I found this channel.
@@chippewaguy4193 hey! That is awesome to hear. You did your steps into a larger world.
I think it’s just their enthusiasm for this franchise. It’s honest. You can feel it through the screen and that is passed on to the audience.
I really respect y'all uploading this/making it a talking point.
So, I think Omega is going to be the vehicle by which we explore The Hidden Path more. Ventress & Quinlan with Omega and whoever else they can fit would be epic storytelling. I've enjoyed Omega so much more this season and would really like to see her continue on her journey. She's become one of my favorite SW characters after really being ambivalent about her at the start of the series. The thing about this episode that really struck me was just how damn good Nika Futterman is.
I was so disappointed when I found out ventress died in a book. Her story has so much potential. So I’m so glad they brought her back. I’d love to see her meet Merrin. That would be awesome. Maybe Merrin and Cal could go on a double date with her and Quinlan. 😂
She was going to die on-screen but Disney cancelled The Clone Wars so her story had to be ended that way. Instead what's the problem with it beibg in book? Perfectly good stotytelling medium. Most of Star Wars greatest moments are in books. What they should've done is adapt Dark Disciple now instead of this.
Asajj & Quinlan could help Cal & Merrin train force sensitives at the Nightsister/Jedi hybrid academy on Tanalorr.
Could be interesting in the Mando Era too. Merrin and Asajj probably won't be very happy about Thrawn showing up on Dathomir.
Does not excuse her return
@@jayboxing1552 What do you mean excuse?
The end of Dark Disciple literally had them lay Ventress to rest on Dathomir and had dark spooky night sister magic fog envelop her body. So it's not fair to say there wasn't some implication she would return tbh. The door wasn't just left cracked, the door was taken off its hinges that's how open the door for her return was.
It was very definitive. Symbolism for the spirits of her sister welcoming her and her spirit joining them.
I am surprised how many people are bothered by this. Resurrections and enhancements are the Nightsister's main things. Asajj was embraced by the spirits and magick in a pool if ichor. I mean, they pretty much already told us how she was resurrected.
What are you talking about? The book said the force reclaimed her
@@jessepinkman5702 Powerful force users can maintain who they are after becoming one with the force. Her body wasn't destroyed, Ichor could easily repair the damage then she reclaims her body. They are Nightsisters, resurrection is their thing.
People in this community lack the most basic aspects of media literacy.. I'm not tryna be offensive, i love these guys and i love this community but good god does it get frustratingly stupid when it comes to dealing with retcons
It’s really strange how they fully advertised Ventress coming back when lately Star Wars trailers have been decent about keeping spoilers out.
I think Eric's experience is actually a benefit of showing Ventress in the trailer. Because this is an inclusion of a character who had died, people could process that reveal before seeing the episode. The trailer still left the question of exactly how Ventress would factor in.
On top of what the other guy said, I can’t help wondering if they have something bigger they held onto. Especially given this is only just after the halfway point
I can understand them wanting to bring Ventress into a show. Despite me being a huge The Clone Wars fan since 2008 and reading Dark Disciple novel (which is based on 8-episodes long unfinished story arc) where she dies, i'm fully aware that not everyone's read the book, so many people are not aware of her story's conclusion. But at the same time there is a part of me that is a little peeved since Disney made a promise 10 years ago that everything would be canon going forward (a promise they pretty much have given up on these last several years)
The official Star Wars website confirmed the events of the book are still canon. Her return will be explained in future content.
They still changed the ending. It was definitive. Also they've made the book retroactively worse. What was a cathartic beautiful conclusion for the character becomes pointless emotional manipulation because she survives.
Frankly they never should’ve made that promise. Star Wars has always been a franchise with varying levels of canon. Initially it was anything Lucas did was hard canon, everything else was soft canon until Lucas did something to decanonize it. That wouldn’t be a horrible way to keep things. I don’t think it’s wild of me to say the books and comics should only be quasi-canon. The amount of those that release is completely overwhelming, even compared to the amount of animated content. And Lucas barely even cared about them in his time. For me, shows and movies are hard canon, games like the Jedi duology are soft canon, where they are canon but likely won’t ever be more directly called back to, and books and comics are Schrödinger’s canon; they are canon until hard canon replaces them, like Caleb’s order 66 scene.
For me, the shock of her return has soured me to all Non TV and Movie stories. I consume alot of non tv Star Wars Media and now they have me feeling like there is no point in reading these stories.
The ending of the book with the magick water left her return open even before this episode
I do agree Tales is a great place to branch out and expand things with the Jedi, but I also think characters like Ventress and Grievous deserve their stories told in a higher budget medium with the voices that always brought them to life. The majority of people won’t read Star Wars books. But a short series of episodes? Everyone’s down for that these days.
Maul....comes back.....palapatine.....comes back....ventress....comes back
Gonna be a real shocker when Count Dooku comes back from the dead
as someone that didnt read the books, i had no idea what happen to Asajj till this episode, and glad to see she's not dead. love her. no complaints here!
As much as I liked seeing her, I wish they would just let characters stay dead/gone.
i have always separated written and viewing media sort of like parallel universes telling the same story but different outcomes it allows ,e to truly immerse myself in both. I Truly love your guys views on starwars you never send hate out about starwars i feel nowadays every where i look starwars is filled with hate mobs which drain the love of starwars away from me.
I think the Nightsisters have become fan favourites, and they give Star Wars a lot to work with. They've been around a long time and can fit into many storylines, even the acolyte series, if they really wanted. Just like they did in Ashoka with the Nightsistes. Bringing Ventress back gives them now someone they get bring into new stories as a connection with old stories. The Nightsisters really are fresh way to bring the story alive without having to rely on just the Jedi vs Sith
As much as I enjoyed Dark Disciple, I've always been disappointed that we never got to see the end of Ventress on-screen. My opinion has always been that a character introduced on-screen (either animated or live) should not be killed off in a book because not everyone who watched the animated series is going to read that novel.
In fact, I personally find it more understandable that Ventress returned, especially compared to Maul or the Emperor, because at least those characters had fitting ends in their respective films.
If the Dark Disciple storyline had been animated like it's original intention, then I would admittedly be more weary of Ventress's return (because I do want Star Wars events to have consequences), but in this case, I'm actually happy we get to see more of Ventress, as long as they properly explain how she survived in a future episode or series.
I want an entire Tales of the Jedi season that covers dark disciple. Would that not be the perfect show for them to finally make that arc?
Thanks to Eric and Aaron! 🌌
Ventless and Omega will be the next anime.
Love the beard, Aaron
They did confirm that the book is still canon and will be explaining and exploring Ventress in future stuff. I'll say i buy Ventress coming back more than i bought Maul.
Love how the episode did show us how the Bad Batch are kinda an obstacle to Omega's potential. If Omega is force-sensitive(which this episode kinda leaned me to say she probably is) really hoping that Omega doesnt become a jedi. Been wanting them to explore force-users that arent jedi or sith that go their own way and develop their own abilities without any traditional jedi training. Its still up in the air the things that Omega demonstrates could be just her enhancements or force abilities or both tbh.
Maybe she’s so much more cranky BECAUSE she was brought back😂. You can tell she’s tired as she strains to use the force. But if she and Quinlan were an item, just surprised she didn’t just go look for him. Or maybe that’s what she’s doing with the M-count connection.
Look, I am not super happy about it - yet. But I will give it time. IF it is properly explained and shown visually (no books, comics, etc), then I can get behind it. I was okay with her death before, but if she and Quinlan get some fun stuff together - I'm down for that.
I can't wait to see what they do with Ventress! I could see her being in TOTJ, but you don't bring back a character like Ventress only to put her in like 25min worth of shorts.
1:20 Another reason you should have watched the trailer so you were prepared.
As someone who refused to read the book just because it lacks voice acting, I'm happy with this tuen of events.
listen to the audiobook
I was going to write something snarky but I don’t want to upset anyone tbh. This comment just makes me so incredibly sad and utterly perplexed
@@protector_of_the_realms It's actually wild and I haven't even cracked open a book in years.
I hope Ventress is relevant to the plot
Idk what their plan is now here but a vader ventress fight is something I’m not against
I mean, you talk about being unsatisfied with character ends, and that was me with Ventress so I'm so happy she's back. The end of the book left it open to whoever wanted to continue (she could've either be resurrected or be with the spirits). I'm hoping she's on Dathomir in Ahsoka S2
I’ve always loved Ventress as character and even tho the book was good I never liked that her death was off screen. So I don’t really care if they retconned the book if it means more Ventress
They confirmed the events of the book are still canon.
Canon until legend.
So she died in a book? 🙂↔️🙄
When i watched the bad batch. My Dad and I were like “cool, she’s back! I wonder where she was!?”
I knew she was gonna be in it in some way, after seeing the trailer.
Now you guys saying she died. Well until they say what happened to her in a series like Tales or future stuff. I aint telling my Da. Oh she died and now she back.
This is too many levels deep to know outside stuff for all canon.
Like needing to know TV stuff for film. Or animated series for TV
And Now books for an episode for animation.
Im sticking with she was just “out there” and now she is back.
It was never meant to be a book, had to be like that because with Disney's buyout The Clone Wars got cancelled. Not that it makes it less important
Too many characters being brought back from the dead. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I think we’re up above 20 or so now for the franchise in canon by my count. It’s a joke, destroys all stakes and meaning for the story and makes me Uninterested in whatever they do. Still haven’t even tried Bad Batch season 3 because I’m that turned off by it which is ironic because they were probably thinking it should get more people interested not the opposite. The main thing is it’s disrespectful to the stories that came before and undoes in most cases great endings for the characters that you’re not going to be able to top and they can’t live forever so they die eventually again but you’re not going to care about it because you’ll always think about how much better and more fitting the first one was and then you’ll always think, well one day when they run out of ideas they’re just gonna be brought back again. I would honestly feel comfortable betting Palpatine will return one day again. Not that I care anymore I just have my own head canon now and stuff like this isn’t in it. But preferably you have no one come back from the dead in your franchise, generally it’s ok if you do it once depending on the story, circumstances, meaning and effect max twice. For Star Wars it should’ve been Maul and that’s it. Ahsoka surviving rebels as the second if you had to though tbh I’m still mixed on that and not completely sold, I think her end should’ve still been in rebels and she is my favourite character in the franchise. For the other 18 characters or so I don’t know to either laugh or cry with how stupid the writers are and their blatant disregard for the franchise and basic storytelling rules
You and I have pretty much the same feelings although I'm good with Ahsoka not dying since if you rewatch the finale of Twilight Of the Apprentice you see her for a split second go down the stairs and you don't really see her dying unlike say Ventress in Dark Disciple which was completely definitive.
What's even worse about Ventress is that it could've been another character who is canonically alive like say Quinlan Vos which would've made perfect sense. She literally shows up in one episode and never shows up again in the whole season, they don't even mention her in the later episodes.
Why did somebody wait to read dark disciple only when they heard ventress was coming back?? Sounds like they're only setting themselves up to be contradicted and to have a problem with her in the story. 😂
maybe because they wanted to know why everyone was upset over the story being retconned?
@@WithyCreeps The story hasn't been retconned. Ventress was resurrected at the end of the book.
@@alixvalove sure, but my point still stands. People might wanna read it to know why everyone cared
@@alixvalove She wasn't. She got buried and joined the spirits of her sisters.
@@theunknownuser9609 She wasn't buried.
I really do like that when Star Wars wants to go a certain direction, and has something illogical happen, they put their all into the explanation of how it happened, and it really adds a lot to the universe, and hopefully what they are doing in the animated universe will make me be able to more enjoy the new trilogy. I enjoyed it, but, it pissed me off too, so hopefully they can change my perspective of it, because I love Star Wars, and always will.
Maul was brought back in such a flimsy way, but we got great storytelling out of it.
Ventress has a perfectly good reason why she could be alive in the first place, and I think people just need to chill and wait until we see if her storytelling is just as good if not better.
It keeps happening that’s the problem. A franchise should preferably have no instances of a character returning from the dead or at the absolute Max 1 and worse case scenario 2 if you have to. Upwards of 20 is ridiculous
Maul was barely a character. It's not the same. Ventress got plenty of development and a beautiful ending that now means nothing.
What will make it the same or not is what comes after, not what comes before.
Making Ventress fans wait 8 episodes for the scenes that we got felt a little like a slap in the face and total marketing ploy to get people to watch Bad Batch consistently 1-8. Added next to nothing to the storyline and didn't even expand on the surprise character's lore... in addition to following the "monster of the week" trope. Step it up please Star Wars...
Idk you only get so many take backs and imo they reached there limit years ago
Quinlan Vos 100% survived the purge because he’s alive at the time of the obi wan show which is 7-8 years or so away from TBB S3. Tala told Obi wan that Quinlan helps out with the path now and again. So that means he’s alive. I’m honestly more curious why ventress isn’t with Quinlan. She died saving him I’m sure she would’ve went straight for him as soon as she returned. Although she might not know he’s alive
I mean, Ventress has a history of not dying when people think she's dead.
True, but I think it's more of a thing where it is now the trend in Star Wars that no one dies when they're supposed to. No one of importance. Tech, is most certainly not dead. And Disney doesn't seem to put real stakes in things anymore
My prediction: Filoni orderd the Bad Batch-writers to bring Ventress back … So he can put her into the Mandoverse.
(Therefore, I don‘t think it would have made difference, if Ventress would have died in Clone Wars instead of a book.)
Really? Giant spoiler right in the thumbnail and title? Come on.
We have known that for months..
How is it a spoiler if the episode is out for a week? And the trailer for months. And the book way longer. Its not their fault you are not up to date and decide to go check out a Star Wars channel on UA-cam.
.............yea i didnt like dark deciple, i hopw ventress goes great things and vos falls in a hole
Ventress was never dead as the end of her story was never going to be in a novel; she's too big for that. It's like wiping out half of Obi-Wan's story and all he did in the prequels. I'm delighted anyway as that novel was soap opera drivel, she deserves better than that. It was a scratch needing itched, and now we'll see the rest of her story unfold onscreen, where she belongs.
Nothing about this is good honestly I'm already done with star wars.. But accepting and excusing straight up contradictions and retcons. It doesn't matter if u like it or not it doesn't matter if it's objectively bad.. Accept and respect the fact that it's already been done and move on. Don't come here tryna pull some shit up like ohhh she could be a clone.. She could be this and that.... No. U know exactly what it is, it's just a straight up retcon and honestly it will always be some of the lowest and most ridiculous shit u can pull in storytelling specially in a big franchise, especially when u pull that shit in an already connected and established timeline/continuity.. Asaj should've stayed dead.. Doesn't matter if u liked her ending ot not respect that's already been established and move on.
Also for the people thatvr really sticking with the "she's a clone" bullshit.. First of all stop coping second of all do u not hear how fqn ridiculous that sounds.. Specially with the context of this exact show, where Palpatine is working tirelessly on figuring that shit out with the beings the created the clones every single day and the full might and recourses of the empire but no somehow Asaj already figured that out? And fuck u if u gon tell me it happened because of night sister magic.
Please stop your word diarrhea. NO ONE tied to this site gives one damn about your tantrum. You could have made your bitching point without writing a damn novel. Please go away and don't come back, if you hate these guys so much.
lmfao what?
When Darth Maul came back, how many episodes did it take for us to wait until they finally explained why he's alive?
Now the same people who wrote that are still working on Star Wars and just like Maul, how about we simply wait for an explanation for Ventress then. Although I'm pretty sure your incapable of doing that though.
Why is everyone shock? She was left in the same pit that brought her back last time......how is that shocking she's back?? And if you didn't read the book why would you think shes dead.