I agree with the results, but honestly if I was going to tow a lot I would buy a half ton. I have a Tacoma and love it for daily use, reliability and occasional towing. And I trust it’s reliability and long term value. I do believe you should always over buy for what your towing to be safe. For a load that you tested I would prefer a half ton.
I completely agree people buy midsize trucks and then wanna max tow, but that can be very dangerous especially at long distances. Max towing a lot can also cause premature wear on a midsize trucks engine and transmission.
I understand what u mean but it’s like using a f-150 and testing it to the max and u saying I would just buy a 2500 it’s completely different.my opinion
I believe the Tacoma owner's manual states when towing one should use S mode with ETC, not normal auto trans mode. Auto trans mode will continually try to up shift into overdrive, which will eventually ruin the gear.
I bought a GMC once, 80k on it!! Repairs, brakes and rotors, both front wheel bearing assemblies, rear drums/ brakes and both wheel cylinders leaking, front diff output shaft seal, rear diff pinion and carrier bearings, ujoints, front 4x axle actuator, new control arms and upper and lower ball joints 3 alignments, rusty a$$ fenders. Lights would flutter every time i hit the breaks or traction control would kick in/constant light bulb changes......sold at 140k payed more in repairs in one year then i did in payments....have owned tacoma and tundra and both outlasted my f250 diesel which was another money pit!!
@David Chaney LOL the guy at the Delano chevy store in MN said thats why GM only warranties up to 100k, as they were replacing the front pass wheel bearing. That was covered under warranty because i was below 100k for mileage!!
same shit with the chevy Colorado's, My 2016 chevy Colorado lasted 55k miles over 3 years. I didn't make the mistake of sinking money into it though, i got rid of it quick.
Exactly, one thing they didn’t cover was longevity. Few thousand more, missing a few bells and whistles over the GMC. But I’d rather pay a few thousand more ,sacrifice the bells and whistles,which let’s be real , you don’t need them. What you do need is a truck that’ll hold up! And Toyota got that in abundance! Don’t get me wrong here I loved my 2015 gmc Denali 3500. But if Toyota offered one, I’d go with Toyota! My work car is a 05 Camry 238k (v6)original drive train and accessories, only thing I’ve replaced was a pulley. Brothers 04 tundra (v8,when he sold it) 372k original drive train,dads 85 Camry (4 cyl),405k, junked it due to the fuel lines eroding away,05 Toyota 4Runner (v6) 271k,sister 04 Lexus rx300(I think it was the 300) at 330k the valve seals went(sold it for 2200), moms old Sienna over 250k when sold. All of them on original drive train, no major repairs.
Both awesome trucks! I’d be willing to say 90% Tacoma owners aren’t looking to tow anything. Rather, they’d be weighing down the truck with steel bumpers and tents etc.
Sadly even though the Canyon out performed the Tacoma, I would still pick that Toyota over the GMC. I had a 2011 Tacoma PreRunner SR5 and it just felt well made. The old 4.0 V6 felt like it would run forever. And then that resale value!
I have owned multiple Tacoma’s and although they were mechanically sound the body and suspension wasn’t meant for a tow or daily work truck IMO. I purchased a new 2015 Canyon SLT and since having it I now realize the huge difference in what a solid truck feels like. Best way I can explain it is the Canyon feels like I’m getting in an Escalade, the Tacoma felt like a tin can. I use it to tow a 6X10 dump trailer and move my Kubota BX with it.
I’ve got a ‘23 Taco. The owner forums of the 16+ models has people with more issues than I ever read about in 4years of driving a ‘20&’22 Trail Boss. Issues from all kinds of things mechanical, electrical or body. The Chevy complaints were mainly the same thing and less frequent. At least the resale is good so if I end up with a lemon I won’t get stuck with negative equity.
I have a 2016 Canyon with the v6 gas. I currently tow a 28 foot travel trailer with a weight of 5300 lbs. With a weight distribution hitch, the Canyon tows it at highway speeds with little to no hesitation.
I tow 4,000lb with the Colorado. Do you know what your transmission temp runs when towing? I'm not sure what "NORMAL" operating temp is when towing but mine runs around 200 degree in tow mode while on flat land and am wondering if this is OK?
@@KHudd I have an 18 Canyon with the 2.8l Duramax with the 6speed and tow a 30’ 7400lb TT. Tows like a dream. I also have a 17’ 5000lb inclosed trailer. While towing my trans temp runs at 180° going 75-80mph. But that’s after I changed the Transmission fluid. Before I changed it used to run 230°-240°F going 65-60mph. Which is very high. My ATF specs say it can run at 280°F max but I didn’t like it being that high. If you’re concerned about high temp I recommend changing it. I did mine myself it was $110 and took about an hour
I have the diesel Canyon, came with the trailer controller and trailer sway sensing that works with it. Took my 6500+lb cargo trailer across the US for a move and it did surprisingly well. And I got 29mpg avg this past week traveling from northern Utah to Phoenix area and back hitting and climbing into national parks the whole way. That thing can do it all.
Have you had any issues with the diesel in your truck? Wondering how they're going to hold up over time with the DEF stuff they have in them now. I like the Canyon/Colorado over the Tacoma any day....not a Tacoma fan, never have been. I bought a 2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7L V8 double cab 4x4 6.5' bed new in 2008. I sat in a 2008 Tacoma, it was cramped. Tried to test drive a Tacoma, didn't go far at the time they still had the 4L V6, that thing is sluggish at best for the size/weight of the Tacoma now. I don't think they helped matters any by cutting off 1/2 a liter either. I don't tow all that often, so a diesel I'm not sure would be the way to go considering the initial purchase price jump, as well as additional maintenance and repair costs that comes with a diesel....if I had the funds and was in the market for a mid-size truck the Canyon or Colorado would certainly be my choice, probably not the diesel as its not something I'd need but the 3.6L V6 certainly sounds like a good alternative for those like myself that doesn't need the towing grunt of the diesel all the time....then again if I were towing that often I'd be buying a larger diesel 3/4 or 1 ton truck honestly over a mid-size truck.
I liked this comparison. It shows initial value of what you’re paying for. Also glad American manufacturers are putting some of that initial value pressure on Toyota as it’s sure to help keep Toyota prices in check for when I buy a new one.
Canyon for me. Of course I have a 2016 Colorado Z71. However, like anything. You need the right tool for the right job. The Canyon/Colorado (except ZR2) probably a little less off road capable “out of the box”. I really like the Canyon AT4.
I traded a '15 Taco TRD Sport for an '18 GMC Canyon SLE Duramax, and I haven't looked back. The lower revs & higher torque makes a longer drive more comfortable. My TT is a Passport 234qbwe, 3800 lbs dry, 6000lbs max and don't regret the trade. Thanks guys for the video.
@@TruckKing If you’re serious about towing (safely), you delete the 4x4 drivetrain when purchasing a truck and opt for the baby Duramax powertrain. Every luxury item on the pickup adds unnecessary weight and deducts your overall payload/towing capacity numbers. And yes, I’m cannot wait to see the new Frontier up close. #FrontyTheWorld! Lol
I have had a 19 Z71 Colorado with the Duramax for 38,000 miles now. Have towed.my two horse trailer a 10' and a 14' utility trailer with it I love the torque and fuel mileage.
I have a 2016 Colorado V6. I would not tow 8' wide trailers due to the side mirrors. Works fine with narrow and pop-up trailers. I would also keep trailer weight below 5,000 lbs if towing in the mountains.
I currently have a 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport 4x2 towing that same 21FBRS. My tow rating is 6700lbs with the tow package. My TT weights out at about 5K with our stuff, my BH, me and the dog. Only real issue we had on our cross-country trip(US) last year was fuel ecomomy. You are correct about the trailer brake setup and mirrors. I had a Prodigy P2 brake controller installed at Gander RV and found a great set of aftermarket tow mirrors that replaced the factory mirrors. I also have a Husky Centerline WDH hitch as well to keep the trailer from getting squirrelly in the wind. I keep my speed at about 60mph to get the best MPG that we can squeeze towing our Hut. For what traveling we do, this setup works for us. If I had to do over again, I might have gone with a lighter trailer, but the BH likes her creature comforts.....lol
@@anthonyrosado9753 I would definitely consider a lighter trailer with a dry weight around 3000-3500 and dry hitch under 350. The propane and batteries will add weight as well. Also take a look at your yellow sticker on the drivers side door jam and check your payload number as well to make sure your Taco can handle the load. And lastly, make sure you get a good WDH.
I personally would at the very least replace the rear shocks to something better. I got some bilstein 5160s in the back and the significantly improve handling.
What aftermarket tow mirrors did you get? And do you have a picture of the prodigy P2 installation? Finding a spot to mount that thing so my knee doesn’t get bashed in a 2022 TRD Sport 6MT has been tough.
For best towing with the Colorado/Canyon the Crew Cab long bed with the Duramax is your best option. Consider adding towing mirrors like the Boost for best safety and visibility.
Own a pickup truck for 10 years, then you'll see the "value story" of a Toyota over GM. According to Mike Sweers (Toyota engineer), they build their transfer cases to be 12 more durable than the competition (note: durable not the same as strength). That's just one example. But if you keep your truck for 300,000 Miles, I guarantee you the Toyota will be running better than any GM truck.
My 2011 chevy silverado 1500 5.3 Z71 has 271,*** miles on it on original engine trans and transfer case never been rebuilt and it works regularly plus the best part it's an American brand and was built in the USA Specifically Fort Wayne Indiana 💪 I'd rather spend my hard earned American dollar on a domestic branded truck built right here in my home country by my fellow union Brothers and sisters
@@andrewmoore4744 I currently have a 2500 Silverado at 190,000 and have had Toyotas before this. Not all GM trucks are US made. I've found a night and day difference in reliability. Toyota trucks are way more reliable.
@@andrewmoore4744 I don't care where my money goes as long as I'm spending it wisely. I have a 2006 Silverado and it has garbage reliability. Plus most GM vehicles are made in Mexico not the US.
I bought a new 2015 GMC Canyon and from day 1 had transmission issues. After 3 trips back to the dealership with no fixes, i threw in the towel and sold it before it at 10k on the clock. Years later i bought a '17 Tacom TRD Sport and was towing a 22' SeaRay with twin axle with no problems. I still have the Tacoma and plan on keeping it till 300k (miles).
Canyon for me too. I tow the 1k heavier version of this trailer with an F-150. You want all the truck you can afford towing. The payload is a problem on the Taco (great job explaining). The Taco really sounded like it was laboring. Great review.
The Tacoma with the 4L V6 was a slug by itself, their new 3.5L V6 didn't help anything at all. Not a Tacoma fan, never was, the ridiculous prices on them, and their dismal fuel economy for a V6 and their piss poor power made it an easy choice to go with a Tundra several years ago...now with the V8 gone from the Tundra I've turned to other automakers for my truck duties.
A couple things to mention about the Tacoma. One is that it makes all of it's power over 4k rpm, which isn't great for towing. Also with it's composite bed it is light in the back end and is overall a slightly lighter truck than the Canyon AT4. One last thing I was able to get the 2023 Tacoma TRD Off-Road premium for $45k brand new. I don't know if Taco prices are higher in Canada compared to what they are in the US but mine came with wireless phone charging, heated leather seats, moonroof, crawl control, multi-terrain select and 360 cameras.
Towed a 3800lb trailer with my 06 Tacoma trd was terrible. Traded it for a Nissan xterra which vastly improved the towing experience, power wise. Since upgraded to a Nissan Titan to pull a much heavier trailer.
I have a Tacoma and towed my Wolf Pup (approx the same size trailer as you've guys tested) on a 4000 mile towing trip two weeks ago and it did pretty good. Since we were going to Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Glacier all the big hills certainly made the poor lil truck scream while going up hills in second gear, but I had no complaints about handling. I do have an Anderson Weight dist hitch so I'm certain that played a major role in the handling. Canyon looks like a better pick if you tow a lot though. Great review!
im looking to get a wolfpup 14cc for my 2019 TRD Off road V6 Tacoma and was wondering how it would handle it. GVWR iof trailer is 3900 . Hoping it will get by ok. how heavy was your wolf pup on your towing trip. ?
@@gabesvidz I have the 16FQ, unloaded weight is ~3000 lbs. With a couple weeks of supplies it'd maybe be around ~3600 lbs. All the sites we were going to had water so our tanks were empty. It had a hard time in some of the worst grade hills by the parks mentioned above, but taking them slow worked out just fine. I'm in the midwest so our typical use-cases it handles just fine. I'd recommend the Anderson weight distribution hitch. It's night and day how much better swaying got.
You know it’s funny whatever they’re testing and get results a lot jumps on board I’ve had Toyos in the past and they are very tough the gmc will be something in the past while the Toyo is still going strong 😮
I changed my SR5 shocks out with the TRD sport shocks and it was a huge difference in the sway and bounce when I tow. The SR5 shocks are horrible. I also added a leaf in the rear and that helped my towing tremendously. I can tell you the GMC is the better truck in this comparison. I still love my Taco though.
I don't know why they didn't just put good shocks in all tacomas. That's the reason I'm goin with a TRD sport. My stepfather has a 99 SR5 and that thing is rough to ride it. Every little hole feels like a giant crater . I can't put up with that shit
I choose the canyon over the Tacoma due to interior size,comfortable seating position and heated steering and seats. Taco only gives heated bum and numbness
I have a Tacoma and gotta say that 3.5L is one wimp of an engine....wish I had kept my Frontier because it had more power and was way more fun to drive.
You hit the nail on the head. The value is resale, just like he said... and reliability. My brand new 2021 gm silverado truck left me stranded twice in the first year.... I'm picking up a Taco tomorrow. I should have known better.
I towed my RV from the East coast… all over the Midwest… to the West coast… down the West coast…. And back to the East coast with my 18’ Colorado with the V6 and 8spd. Even did some off-roading in Moab, UT on the way back. It was the trip of a lifetime and the truck did AMAZING! I now want to get a second one for the family now that o tow on the regular (got a horse and getting cattle). I want a diesel too!!! Lol May get one for the kids as their first vehicles when they get older as well.
The Tacoma’s payload does suck but its more then capable of it but also you can buy a trailer break it comes pre- wired for a trailer break and they cost less then $100 depending on what you buy but people make Tacoma’s sound so incapable but in reality they can do a lot
The 4 door Tacoma and the Flagstaff 21FBRS is the exact combination that I attempted to combine, huge mistake. The Tacoma is a good truck, but not for towing this trailer. For me, it wasn't so much the weight (still somewhat of an issue) of the 21FBRS, it was the sailboat 8 feet front end that I was pulling down the road with full sail in the upright position. The Tacoma did ok on flat ground, but when my wife and I took it to the mountains of Tennessee, forget it. We pulled in 4th gear all the way, until the mountains, and then came the constant 4th to 3rd gear just to try to maintain 55 mph. When we arrived at our destination, I noticed the exhaust pipe turned a reddish brown. I'm not knocking the Tacoma, it's just not designed for this application. If interested (for maybe a small cargo trailer), it does however come with a connection point for add on brake controller, just buy the controller and the pigtail. I would have kept my Tacoma if I didn't like RV'ing so much, so I traded it for a 2017 Ford F150 3.5 liter Ecoboost (10 speed) and never looked back. My family is GM, I've owned plenty of GM trucks (GMC and Chevrolet) that always seemed to be attracted to the dealer's service center, like a magnet. I couldn't keep them out of it, two with issues (like transmission, electronics, etc.) that couldn't be repaired, but GM was aware of the issues. The GM discount wasn't worth it to me anymore. My Ford has been to the shop one time for a fog light lense that cracked with no road damage. I never thought I would like a Ford truck over my past GM trucks, but proof is in the pudding. I originally purchased the Tacoma because of the problems I had with my GM trucks, I was done, over it. Except for the Tacoma not being a good travel trailer tow vehicle, it also had no issues. I've got better things to do like camping other than sitting in a dealership hoping your truck will be repaired. Bottom line, if you own a Tacoma (still a great truck), do not attempt to buy one of these trailers or anything like it if you intend on keeping your Tacoma. Don't listen to the Toyota dealership, that was a mistake too. Buy a pop-up or an Aliner, not an 8 feet wide trailer. By the way, love the Truck King reviews, especially with the Jeep Wrangler (I own one and love it). Take care.
All good info. You also nailed a necessary fact for towing - where are you towing? If mountains are a regular thing for you - consider heavier, stronger and maybe diesel.
I have a 2014 4x4 Toco with the tow package. Air bags on the back suspension. Weight distribution hitch and sway bar. I work in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest. I tow a GoPro 19TH. Dry weight just under 3,000 lbs. So far so good. I have no complaints.
Thanks for the information. We started with a lightweight popup that a Rav4 can tow it. However, we could travel further and we bought a 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport 4x4 to make our trips out of state in the future. We will consider to buy in the future a lightweight trailer like a RPOD or JayFlight less than 3,500 pounds. We will stick with the popup, because the nature of our jobs our time is limited now.
@@robertcolon I shopped for 3 years looking at and talking with owners of all kinds of trailers. I would not recommend any of the Jay Flights. All the ones I looked at were damaged upon delivery to the dealers. All the owners of RPods said they all started leaking and breaking down in less than a year. I finally bought a Forest River GeoPro 19 Toy Hauler. Construction wise was what I could afford and still stay light weight. Otherwise I would have bought a Lance.
@@georgewilliamssr5230 Thank you for the information. Actually, this is a long term goal, but I will consider it. Hope that these companies will improve their construction.
My neighbor just purchased a travel trailer. He had a 2016 Tacoma Access Cab V6. After towing his trailer a few times, he sold his Tacoma and magically a used Tundra appeared. Need I say more.
@@jimsomerville3924 heaviest tundra per toyota has a 1530 payload. Lightest Tundra per Toyota has 1730 payload. Not sure what sticker you were looking at because 5 passengers would max out a payload according to what you seen. Doesnt make sense.
@@CACressida The specs on their website seem to not reflect the various configurations well and are not payloads that you will typically see on stickers of actual builds. And of course options add weight that come out of the max spec numbers. Most manufacturers seem to do this on their websites, but the Tundra's seem lower than most other fullsizes and often less than midsizes. Here's an example from Truck King: ua-cam.com/video/0MBH_YVmBqI/v-deo.html
It is good at the end of the video you guys brought up reliability and resale. It will be interesting to see how many "Canyons" are still on the road ten years from now. I bought a 2008 Toyota Tundra and drove the truck for 15 years without any issues. When I bought my 2022 Taco, I was not happy with the hp. I purchased the "Magnason Supercharger", and it is awesome 380hp!! Having owned many Toyota vehicles, I will be driving this truck for 15 years. I am confident, I will not see "Canyons" 15 years from now.
i've got a 2016 GMC Canyon All Terrain(older version of the AT4) and i love it. I tested out a Tacoma and a Ranger and went with the Canyon. just a better truck overall
Fair comparison. Been towing a 3600 # (dry) trailer with my 2020 Tacoma without any issues but would like a little more torque on grades. However I love my Tacoma and use it for off roading as well and it does have wireless charging so it’s the truck for me. The only gripe I have with Toyota is they no longer include a transmission cooler with tow package.
@@WhitelightningOG i have a2020 Tacoma w/tow package and it doesn’t have tran cooler. Has an engine oil and power steering cooler but not a transmission cooler.
I spoke with the service manager where i bought my truck and he confirmed as well. Don’t know why mine wouldn’t but yours does. What year is your Tacoma?
@@freefalling120 it's a 2021, but I may have been given bad information, I'll need to double check after hearing this, the Toyota website spec sheet says it does as well?
I’ve towed 6,000 pounds with my Gen3 Tacoma ZERO issues pulls just fine using ECT and this is pulling a trailer in Arizona where it’s all hills .I test drove all the midsize trucks before purchasing a 2021 TRD off road double cab Tacoma to me it felt like it was a much better built than the rest. I went with quality and reliability, this Tacoma will be my last truck I ever purchase. I LOVE IT !
We had a 3rd gen Taco and would tow ~5,500 pounds. It had enough power at the top-end, but it lacked low-end power, which meant very high-strung driving, lots of transmission shifts and lousy gas mileage. Also, the brakes on the truck are weak and would overheat and fade. We had repeat warping issues with it, even with a brake controller.
Great test guys! I have been towing a Grey Wolf 24 JS, at 27’ overall and 4,500-5,600lbs. With a 2019 Colorado Crew Cab 4x4, WT, V6, that does a great job, easily maintaining legal speeds on all roads and grades, with a nice reserve for passing. I do use a Fastway E2 Weight Distribution Hitch, plus have the factory trailer brake control from Chevy.
i'm looking to buy a Canyon or Colorado myself for towing a 5500lb trailer. Is there really any difference between any of the different models of the Colorado or Canyon for towing ability? Does the factory trailer brake mount under the dash or in the dash? Thanks ahead of time.
I have the 2020 GMC Canyon Denali Diesel Crew cab Long bed. With the auto Trac and manual override for 2wd hi. 4 hi/4low and neutral for being dingy towed behind a pusher motor home. Best highway 2wd mileage doing 65 to 70mph was 37.4 mpg. However I use standyne diesel fuel treatment at every fuel up. Just 6 oz. To 21 gallons. Engine runs smoother and the DEF runs less ! GM has their version through their parts dept. It is good to use at every fuel stop. Cause some stations have crappy diesel and the fuel treatment evens it out.
@@befreud it's a myth toyota is better .....read up, like read real numbers and data on reliability and not your uncles 90's bad experience with GM when you were a child.
@@MBB563 I had a 2010 chevy aveo that died after 2 years. I will never buy another GM again. It's not my uncles story, it's my personal experience. When a 2003 Toyota lasted 200k miles longer (still running btw) I'm gonna go with Toyota...
In the US, the Tacoma is FAR cheaper. The SR5 trail edition is more like $39k US, and the GMC AT4 would run around the same $44k US price as it cost in Canada.
MSRP on the Tacoma is about $44,300, MSRP on the Canyon is 44,990, and you are getting more truck with the Canyon for about $700 more. The Tacoma and 4Runner are decades behind the curve when it comes to doing truck stuff. The options in that Tacoma are pretty piss poor for the price when you compare it to the Canyon AT4's options.
I have a v6 21 canyon at4 and tow a 3500lb trailer a few times a month and have no problems with it. Only thing that ever concerns me is the atf temp.it touches 170 degrees on long inclines and am considering a transmission cooler. Good thing is it did come with the trailer brake controller and my trailer has brakes.
In terms of what's first two last in mid-size: Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado/Canyon, Ranger. Tacoma and Frontier lead in terms of reliability, no questions asked.
I have the 2021 SR5 trail edition 4x4 Tacoma in the army green just like the 1 youre testing. I've been really thinking about getting a rv trailer so thank you very much for sharing this. My Tacoma here in Delaware US was $37,900. I would have preferred a GMC but, at these tough times with lack of chips for vehicles and high gas I couldn't afford anything better. Awesome video and thank you again
We have a keystone bullet 1900rd, towing it with a frontier 4.0V6. I added extendable tow mirrors, Timbren bump stops, brake controller. Does it do the job? Yes. Do it well? No. Id rather have a half ton. A half ton will give better control, as they're longer, wider, and heavier.
Tacoma can't handle over 4000 lbs properly, How can it handle up to 7400 lbs ? False ad or cheating ? plus Tacoma and Tundra have problem with their rust chassis, also gas millage is poor
These mid size trucks are really starting to shine as time goes on especially the zr2 for Chevy that model is worth its weight in gold outstanding truck for the price and the 3.6 v6 is best in class power and smooth
@@huckleberry8079 Colorado and canyon are constantly best in class. The Tecumseh's arent even liked buy Toyota loyalists anymore. Their comfort sucks and the 3.5 cant hang with the 3.6 GM v6. The Toyota also has a lousy trans that downshifts to make up for its lame braking.
@@ashes2ashes863 Your opinion sucks too just like the Chevy reliability. I will never own another GM product and none of my family members will as well. All my sons now own Tundras and Tacomas. Reliability is everything in a vehicle. We only own Toyota, nothing else. Gm will eventually go out of business due to making junk vehicles while Toyota just gets better every year.
I regularly use my Taco to pull 2 of my Trailers. One is 2000lbs and the other is 4000lbs, I live in AZ we have heat and mountains. It has never let me down.
As someone who has had both a Canyon and a Tacoma. In the long run Tacoma will out last the Canyon. At 100k I had to replace the transmission on the Canyon. On my Tacoma I went 250k before I had to replace the transmission. I’m staying w the Tacoma
I was towing that trailer with a 4runnner, numbers added up but I did not feel comfortable with winding days so bought a tundra today with the 5.7 engine.
I may be wrong but I've never considered the weight in the cab as part of the payload rating. I consider the payload as weight in the bed only as in the load you get payed to carry. "Payload". I consider the weight of things in the cab as part of the gvwr. If a truck is rated at 1000 pounds payload that's 1000 pounds in the bed, and I usually consider that a conservative rating.
You are wrong, technically, but modern pickup trucks are not struggling at all at their rated max payload. I would not worry about going a couple hundred pounds over max payload when not towing. However, when towing a big bulky travel trailer, I would want to be comfortably below all the weight ratings.
Great comparison, Guys. Now I’d like to see you do the same thing with the Ranger, Ridgeline and new Frontier. That trailer is exactly the type of thing I’d tow with a midsize truck. I’d also like you to show me how a crossover would do, say a Highlander with a 5,000 lb. tow package. I’m asking myself whether I really need to trade in my Highlander for a mid size pickup, in order to tow a small travel trailer. Thanks.
An important factor in towing is the wheelbase of the tow vehicle (longer is better) which is where crossovers like the Highlander tend to be not as good for towing, particularly at their limit, like this trailer would be. It can do it, but you will find it not as confident a towing experience as a longer wheelbased tow vehicle.
I already knew what the answer would be. I have a 18" Z71 Colorado and it has been nothing short of amazing for my R-pod 193 Bunk house with a slide. I have the 4 point Equalizer hitch and that thing is amazing as well.
I had a 13 Tacoma and it can tow. I towed our Rockwood Roo across Canada. You have no idea how TOTALLY ANOYING a wound out V6 is. Listening to the 4 litre 6 droning for 10 to 12 hours is not.much fun. Last year I bought a Tundra with the V8. Towing with the Tundra is way more relaxing. A few months ago I was at our landfill and with me in the Tundra and my crap...the Tundra tips the scale at 2960 kgs. The weight sure helps in towing and so does sway control. If you tow once in awhile...a v6 is OK.but V8 is way way better. The V8 is also better on fuel when towing.
Happy Easter fellas! All us blue collar U.S. boys who got our shots sure do wish your leadership would open your country again. Our fishing camp owners miss us and our desire to come spend money up there. Maybe 2022 I guess.
Rockwood and FLagstaff are the exact same thing. A family down the street from us had the exact same trailer as us, a 2019 Rockwood 2104s. Which is very similar the what your were towing which was a Rockwood 2109s. The 2104s is a little taller and a little heavier. Anyway they started out towing it with a Taco and very shortly upgraded to a Tundra. We lived in the Sierra Nevadas at 4500+ ft elevation and I know there were some steep mountain climbs to 7300 feet that made our F150 work a bit, I can only imagine what the poor little Toyota was doing. We've now towed our trailer halfway across the country up and over 8400 ft elevation through wyoming and have had to deal with 28mph crosswinds through Nebraska even with a 4pt sway control hitch, it sucked but we were able to deal with it. No way would I want to experience that in a midsized truck. Weekend trips 1-2 hours away sure.
I had leased a 2020 Ram 1500 4x4 with a 5.7 Hemi never used it to tow anything since I don’t own a boat or a camper it was just a Mall Crawler. My lease was up this year and I purchased a 2023 Tacoma V6 4x4, I like the fact of having a pickup truck especially for going to the beach and doing some camping. I miss the Ram’s interior space but that’s all, the Ram was getting 14-15mpg and the Taco is getting 18-19mpg around town. For those who are about to say it was a dumb decision, I want to disclose that a few months before the lease was up I started to smell antifreeze when I parked the Ram and my coolant reservoir was always low dealership couldn’t find any leaks well it was going somewhere, so with that in mind I thought I should get rid of it. Hopefully this year I can get a jet ski and I’m sure the Taco can tow it with no problem.
I can tell you from personal experience the Ranger is worlds ahead of the Tacoma but GM holds its own pretty well against it. Tacoma still holds the crown for resale, but reliability and liability are evening out.
We will see. This new age toyota crap may or may not make it to 300k. My 2001 tundra, same size as this new age current gen tacoma crap, has more torque and hp cause it has an actual engine in it, the 2uzfe
The stock toyota shocks make it feel like you're driving a boat around. But I have my shocks and springs upgraded and it stiffened it right up and feels great towing
I'm a huge Tacoma fan, but the midsize truck market has a lot of competition now, and the Tacoma is falling behind. Hopefully Toyota will step up and make some much needed improvements to the Tacoma as a result!
My absolute favorite truck was the older and smaller body style Tundra. It seemed to be just the right size and the small v8 was very capable. It lacked fuel economy but in the crew with a 6 foot bed it did all I needed. Now full size trucks look like botox machines
@@SimplyCarReviews tacoma sells twice as many as the next competitor, highest resale value of any truck and one of the highest of any vehicle, proven dependability. Lower payload prob has to do with polymer bed. With that being said, it’s not perfect. I do have a ‘16 TRD Off Road and it’s got some short comings. Still wouldn’t trade it for any other midsize truck.
Agree, gmc is better in this video but I'll take the Ford Ranger xl with the stx, fx4 and towing package..... about the same payload, a little more towing but way cheaper, 36,000.00
I absolutely agree, Canyon all the way. However, I personally just bought a 2021 Chevy Colorado z71 off-road edition with the heavy duty tow package. Including the trailer brake. This video was very helpful as I am currently researching what size camper I can truly tow with the new Colorado. Love your channel. Thank you. I would love it if you would do this exact thing again with my Colorado.
I have a 2018 colorado z71 with the same options as yours and I tow a rockwood geo pro 16bh dry 3200 gvwr 4300 . Put in an aftermarket brake controller and a weight distribution hitch with anti sway as it is a single axle trailer. No problems so far!! Got 14mpg last trip. check out Mario Worked on it channel on you tube. He is towing a 19ft geo pro with a 2021 colorado work truck and just did some suspension upgrades. Good luck in your search!!
The Tacoma has wireless charging standard on the TRD OR package, as far back as 2016, which is the truck you should have been comparing here.. And a black headliner.
I'd like to see toyota to gmc recall ratings. Gmc chevy may have way more problems. Is that why they hold value, because they are built well or better?
I wonder what the real world fuel Mileage is between a V6 Canyon vs 5.3 sierra. It may just be worth it to get the sierra w more power minus a mpg or so.
Not sure why anyone would go with the taco over the canyon. Back in the 80s, no question, Toyota was better quality, not so anymore. Canyon is the way to go.
I just bought 2021 the best year for the canyon....7th year generation and they perfected it. Tho 2015, the first year edition was bad, but GM fixed a lot of those first year issues....and sadly this is the last year....so Canyon 2018 to 2021 buy it! You will not regret it. And yes Im well aware some angry dude will say I have 2018 and Ive been at the dealers every other week....fine, but youll see for every unhappy canyon owner youll have 100 that will say....great truck! Thats basically 1 to 108 ratio for Totoya. Not much difference.
adaptive cruise control. blind spot monitoring. pre collision warning. lane departure warning. reliability. resale value. tacoma all the way.
I agree with the results, but honestly if I was going to tow a lot I would buy a half ton. I have a Tacoma and love it for daily use, reliability and occasional towing. And I trust it’s reliability and long term value. I do believe you should always over buy for what your towing to be safe. For a load that you tested I would prefer a half ton.
those trucks are pretty much half tons look at how much a xanyon can carry 1400lbs is same as half ton
I just bought a 2022 colorado got 2000 miles could not find a taco
I completely agree people buy midsize trucks and then wanna max tow, but that can be very dangerous especially at long distances. Max towing a lot can also cause premature wear on a midsize trucks engine and transmission.
I would never trade my Taco for a Canyon, I would rather downsize the trailer down to a 16-17 footer instead--just the wife and I anyways!
I understand what u mean but it’s like using a f-150 and testing it to the max and u saying I would just buy a 2500 it’s completely different.my opinion
I believe the Tacoma owner's manual states when towing one should use S mode with ETC, not normal auto trans mode. Auto trans mode will continually try to up shift into overdrive, which will eventually ruin the gear.
S4 with ECT on
I bought a GMC once, 80k on it!! Repairs, brakes and rotors, both front wheel bearing assemblies, rear drums/ brakes and both wheel cylinders leaking, front diff output shaft seal, rear diff pinion and carrier bearings, ujoints, front 4x axle actuator, new control arms and upper and lower ball joints 3 alignments, rusty a$$ fenders. Lights would flutter every time i hit the breaks or traction control would kick in/constant light bulb changes......sold at 140k payed more in repairs in one year then i did in payments....have owned tacoma and tundra and both outlasted my f250 diesel which was another money pit!!
Your so right.
@David Chaney LOL the guy at the Delano chevy store in MN said thats why GM only warranties up to 100k, as they were replacing the front pass wheel bearing. That was covered under warranty because i was below 100k for mileage!!
same shit with the chevy Colorado's, My 2016 chevy Colorado lasted 55k miles over 3 years. I didn't make the mistake of sinking money into it though, i got rid of it quick.
Exactly, one thing they didn’t cover was longevity. Few thousand more, missing a few bells and whistles over the GMC. But I’d rather pay a few thousand more ,sacrifice the bells and whistles,which let’s be real , you don’t need them. What you do need is a truck that’ll hold up! And Toyota got that in abundance! Don’t get me wrong here I loved my 2015 gmc Denali 3500. But if Toyota offered one, I’d go with Toyota! My work car is a 05 Camry 238k (v6)original drive train and accessories, only thing I’ve replaced was a pulley. Brothers 04 tundra (v8,when he sold it) 372k original drive train,dads 85 Camry (4 cyl),405k, junked it due to the fuel lines eroding away,05 Toyota 4Runner (v6) 271k,sister 04 Lexus rx300(I think it was the 300) at 330k the valve seals went(sold it for 2200), moms old Sienna over 250k when sold. All of them on original drive train, no major repairs.
Dude forgets to mention he got it at grandmas garage sale GMC is 100x better than Toyota
Both awesome trucks! I’d be willing to say 90% Tacoma owners aren’t looking to tow anything. Rather, they’d be weighing down the truck with steel bumpers and tents etc.
Agreed!
i have one and so true
Yeah will all 990 lbs of payload 😂😂 gm ftw
And you would be wrong. I have a 2017 SR% Tacoma, I tow a lot. And I know other Taco owbers that tow.
@@justindasilva73 In 10 years, the Toyota will still be running with no issues while the GM, well it's a GM.
Sadly even though the Canyon out performed the Tacoma, I would still pick that Toyota over the GMC. I had a 2011 Tacoma PreRunner SR5 and it just felt well made. The old 4.0 V6 felt like it would run forever. And then that resale value!
they havent put the 4.0 in a tacoma in 6 years now
I have owned multiple Tacoma’s and although they were mechanically sound the body and suspension wasn’t meant for a tow or daily work truck IMO. I purchased a new 2015 Canyon SLT and since having it I now realize the huge difference in what a solid truck feels like. Best way I can explain it is the Canyon feels like I’m getting in an Escalade, the Tacoma felt like a tin can. I use it to tow a 6X10 dump trailer and move my Kubota BX with it.
I’ve got a ‘23 Taco. The owner forums of the 16+ models has people with more issues than I ever read about in 4years of driving a ‘20&’22 Trail Boss. Issues from all kinds of things mechanical, electrical or body. The Chevy complaints were mainly the same thing and less frequent. At least the resale is good so if I end up with a lemon I won’t get stuck with negative equity.
I have a 2016 Canyon with the v6 gas. I currently tow a 28 foot travel trailer with a weight of 5300 lbs. With a weight distribution hitch, the Canyon tows it at highway speeds with little to no hesitation.
I tow 4,000lb with the Colorado. Do you know what your transmission temp runs when towing? I'm not sure what "NORMAL" operating temp is when towing but mine runs around 200 degree in tow mode while on flat land and am wondering if this is OK?
@@KHudd I have an 18 Canyon with the 2.8l Duramax with the 6speed and tow a 30’ 7400lb TT. Tows like a dream. I also have a 17’ 5000lb inclosed trailer. While towing my trans temp runs at 180° going 75-80mph. But that’s after I changed the Transmission fluid. Before I changed it used to run 230°-240°F going 65-60mph. Which is very high. My ATF specs say it can run at 280°F max but I didn’t like it being that high. If you’re concerned about high temp I recommend changing it. I did mine myself it was $110 and took about an hour
I have the diesel Canyon, came with the trailer controller and trailer sway sensing that works with it. Took my 6500+lb cargo trailer across the US for a move and it did surprisingly well. And I got 29mpg avg this past week traveling from northern Utah to Phoenix area and back hitting and climbing into national parks the whole way. That thing can do it all.
Have you had any issues with the diesel in your truck? Wondering how they're going to hold up over time with the DEF stuff they have in them now. I like the Canyon/Colorado over the Tacoma any day....not a Tacoma fan, never have been.
I bought a 2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7L V8 double cab 4x4 6.5' bed new in 2008. I sat in a 2008 Tacoma, it was cramped. Tried to test drive a Tacoma, didn't go far at the time they still had the 4L V6, that thing is sluggish at best for the size/weight of the Tacoma now. I don't think they helped matters any by cutting off 1/2 a liter either.
I don't tow all that often, so a diesel I'm not sure would be the way to go considering the initial purchase price jump, as well as additional maintenance and repair costs that comes with a diesel....if I had the funds and was in the market for a mid-size truck the Canyon or Colorado would certainly be my choice, probably not the diesel as its not something I'd need but the 3.6L V6 certainly sounds like a good alternative for those like myself that doesn't need the towing grunt of the diesel all the time....then again if I were towing that often I'd be buying a larger diesel 3/4 or 1 ton truck honestly over a mid-size truck.
I love my canyon..... More comfort, and style..Looks better too.
You got 29 mpg towing. Mmmmm
@@jacoe33333 sorry, that wording was a little confusing. Unloaded I got 29 on that trip, fully loaded trailer avg'd 15.4 over 2000 miles 👍
@@jface3806 Thank you. 😄That is really good mileage. Have you had any issues with your truck ?
I liked this comparison. It shows initial value of what you’re paying for. Also glad American manufacturers are putting some of that initial value pressure on Toyota as it’s sure to help keep Toyota prices in check for when I buy a new one.
Canyon for me. Of course I have a 2016 Colorado Z71. However, like anything. You need the right tool for the right job. The Canyon/Colorado (except ZR2) probably a little less off road capable “out of the box”. I really like the Canyon AT4.
I traded a '15 Taco TRD Sport for an '18 GMC Canyon SLE Duramax, and I haven't looked back. The lower revs & higher torque makes a longer drive more comfortable. My TT is a Passport 234qbwe, 3800 lbs dry, 6000lbs max and don't regret the trade. Thanks guys for the video.
Thanks for the comparison, fellas. Can't wait to see you run this same test with the 2022 Frontier
You and me both!
@@TruckKing
If you’re serious about towing (safely), you delete the 4x4 drivetrain when purchasing a truck and opt for the baby Duramax powertrain. Every luxury item on the pickup adds unnecessary weight and deducts your overall payload/towing capacity numbers. And yes, I’m cannot wait to see the new Frontier up close. #FrontyTheWorld! Lol
@@travelinman482 google duramax 3.0 problems....and see what a nightmare that is. Typical GM crap
@@bookooc5605 The canyon doesn't use the 3.0 ... that's in the half ton
I have had a 19 Z71 Colorado with the Duramax for 38,000 miles now. Have towed.my two horse trailer a 10' and a 14' utility trailer with it
I love the torque and fuel mileage.
That’s sweet, how long are you planning on keeping it for?
@@dragoonTT Probably another 5 years anyway. Will have to see what's available at the time.
I have a 2016 Colorado V6. I would not tow 8' wide trailers due to the side mirrors. Works fine with narrow and pop-up trailers. I would also keep trailer weight below 5,000 lbs if towing in the mountains.
I currently have a 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport 4x2 towing that same 21FBRS. My tow rating is 6700lbs with the tow package. My TT weights out at about 5K with our stuff, my BH, me and the dog. Only real issue we had on our cross-country trip(US) last year was fuel ecomomy. You are correct about the trailer brake setup and mirrors. I had a Prodigy P2 brake controller installed at Gander RV and found a great set of aftermarket tow mirrors that replaced the factory mirrors. I also have a Husky Centerline WDH hitch as well to keep the trailer from getting squirrelly in the wind. I keep my speed at about 60mph to get the best MPG that we can squeeze towing our Hut. For what traveling we do, this setup works for us. If I had to do over again, I might have gone with a lighter trailer, but the BH likes her creature comforts.....lol
Good to know, I have a 2021 SR5 2wd and planning on getting a similar RV trailer.
@@anthonyrosado9753 I would definitely consider a lighter trailer with a dry weight around 3000-3500 and dry hitch under 350. The propane and batteries will add weight as well. Also take a look at your yellow sticker on the drivers side door jam and check your payload number as well to make sure your Taco can handle the load. And lastly, make sure you get a good WDH.
I personally would at the very least replace the rear shocks to something better. I got some bilstein 5160s in the back and the significantly improve handling.
What aftermarket tow mirrors did you get? And do you have a picture of the prodigy P2 installation? Finding a spot to mount that thing so my knee doesn’t get bashed in a 2022 TRD Sport 6MT has been tough.
For best towing with the Colorado/Canyon the Crew Cab long bed with the Duramax is your best option. Consider adding towing mirrors like the Boost for best safety and visibility.
Exactly that's the best mid size combo hands down
For that price you can buy the 1500 Sierra with the 3.0l diesel for same money 🤔
Own a pickup truck for 10 years, then you'll see the "value story" of a Toyota over GM. According to Mike Sweers (Toyota engineer), they build their transfer cases to be 12 more durable than the competition (note: durable not the same as strength). That's just one example. But if you keep your truck for 300,000 Miles, I guarantee you the Toyota will be running better than any GM truck.
My 2011 chevy silverado 1500 5.3 Z71 has 271,*** miles on it on original engine trans and transfer case never been rebuilt and it works regularly plus the best part it's an American brand and was built in the USA Specifically Fort Wayne Indiana 💪 I'd rather spend my hard earned American dollar on a domestic branded truck built right here in my home country by my fellow union Brothers and sisters
@@andrewmoore4744 I currently have a 2500 Silverado at 190,000 and have had Toyotas before this. Not all GM trucks are US made. I've found a night and day difference in reliability. Toyota trucks are way more reliable.
@@andrewmoore4744 You are aware that Toyota builds way more cars in the US than GM does....right??
@@BrandonEht yes you are aware when you buy a new Toyota majority of your money goes overseas cause Toyota isn't domestic
@@andrewmoore4744 I don't care where my money goes as long as I'm spending it wisely. I have a 2006 Silverado and it has garbage reliability. Plus most GM vehicles are made in Mexico not the US.
We have a 2019 zr2 and you have described exactly how it feels to tow in the Canyon. Also, digging the plaid on plaid look!
I bought a new 2015 GMC Canyon and from day 1 had transmission issues. After 3 trips back to the dealership with no fixes, i threw in the towel and sold it before it at 10k on the clock. Years later i bought a '17 Tacom TRD Sport and was towing a 22' SeaRay with twin axle with no problems. I still have the Tacoma and plan on keeping it till 300k (miles).
Canyon for me too. I tow the 1k heavier version of this trailer with an F-150. You want all the truck you can afford towing. The payload is a problem on the Taco (great job explaining). The Taco really sounded like it was laboring. Great review.
The Tacoma with the 4L V6 was a slug by itself, their new 3.5L V6 didn't help anything at all. Not a Tacoma fan, never was, the ridiculous prices on them, and their dismal fuel economy for a V6 and their piss poor power made it an easy choice to go with a Tundra several years ago...now with the V8 gone from the Tundra I've turned to other automakers for my truck duties.
@@wildbill23cthere’s a reason why they’re so expensive. Toyotas are built right and last longer.
A couple things to mention about the Tacoma. One is that it makes all of it's power over 4k rpm, which isn't great for towing. Also with it's composite bed it is light in the back end and is overall a slightly lighter truck than the Canyon AT4. One last thing I was able to get the 2023 Tacoma TRD Off-Road premium for $45k brand new. I don't know if Taco prices are higher in Canada compared to what they are in the US but mine came with wireless phone charging, heated leather seats, moonroof, crawl control, multi-terrain select and 360 cameras.
Bravo guys !! Love all your explanation , and the best part , you give us Canadians prices and info , keep it up great job
We will!
Towed a 3800lb trailer with my 06 Tacoma trd was terrible. Traded it for a Nissan xterra which vastly improved the towing experience, power wise. Since upgraded to a Nissan Titan to pull a much heavier trailer.
I have a Tacoma and towed my Wolf Pup (approx the same size trailer as you've guys tested) on a 4000 mile towing trip two weeks ago and it did pretty good. Since we were going to Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Glacier all the big hills certainly made the poor lil truck scream while going up hills in second gear, but I had no complaints about handling. I do have an Anderson Weight dist hitch so I'm certain that played a major role in the handling. Canyon looks like a better pick if you tow a lot though. Great review!
im looking to get a wolfpup 14cc for my 2019 TRD Off road V6 Tacoma and was wondering how it would handle it.
GVWR iof trailer is 3900 . Hoping it will get by ok. how heavy was your wolf pup on your towing trip. ?
@@gabesvidz I have the 16FQ, unloaded weight is ~3000 lbs. With a couple weeks of supplies it'd maybe be around ~3600 lbs. All the sites we were going to had water so our tanks were empty. It had a hard time in some of the worst grade hills by the parks mentioned above, but taking them slow worked out just fine. I'm in the midwest so our typical use-cases it handles just fine. I'd recommend the Anderson weight distribution hitch. It's night and day how much better swaying got.
You know it’s funny whatever they’re testing and get results a lot jumps on board I’ve had Toyos in the past and they are very tough the gmc will be something in the past while the Toyo is still going strong 😮
I changed my SR5 shocks out with the TRD sport shocks and it was a huge difference in the sway and bounce when I tow. The SR5 shocks are horrible. I also added a leaf in the rear and that helped my towing tremendously. I can tell you the GMC is the better truck in this comparison. I still love my Taco though.
I don't know why they didn't just put good shocks in all tacomas. That's the reason I'm goin with a TRD sport. My stepfather has a 99 SR5 and that thing is rough to ride it. Every little hole feels like a giant crater . I can't put up with that shit
I choose the canyon over the Tacoma due to interior size,comfortable seating position and heated steering and seats. Taco only gives heated bum and numbness
I have a Tacoma and gotta say that 3.5L is one wimp of an engine....wish I had kept my Frontier because it had more power and was way more fun to drive.
Give it a kdmax tune
I feel the same way. I had to trade my Tacoma after 6 months. I had a wimpy engine and transmission troubles.
I have a 22 Tacoma off road and my work truck is a 22 F-150. The F-150 gets better gas mileage fully loaded than my Tacoma does empty.
Lease the GMC. Own the Toyota. Simple.
You hit the nail on the head. The value is resale, just like he said... and reliability. My brand new 2021 gm silverado truck left me stranded twice in the first year.... I'm picking up a Taco tomorrow. I should have known better.
@@cousinstu you don’t wanna wait for the next gen Taco?
@@larrymarket9658 I don't get that excited about new stuff. I'll get a 4th gen in a few years.
Well my Tacoma did not fen get 83k miles before the motor failed. And it only saw synthetic and was pampered. Worse truck ever I’ve owned.
Tacoma will always be the one to buy
Another quality review of real world mid-size truck towing. Like the older/younger perspectives.
This is exactly what i needed to watch thank you brotha. Subscribed
Glad I could help
I towed my RV from the East coast… all over the Midwest… to the West coast… down the West coast…. And back to the East coast with my 18’ Colorado with the V6 and 8spd.
Even did some off-roading in Moab, UT on the way back.
It was the trip of a lifetime and the truck did AMAZING!
I now want to get a second one for the family now that o tow on the regular (got a horse and getting cattle). I want a diesel too!!! Lol
May get one for the kids as their first vehicles when they get older as well.
The Tacoma’s payload does suck but its more then capable of it but also you can buy a trailer break it comes pre- wired for a trailer break and they cost less then $100 depending on what you buy but people make Tacoma’s sound so incapable but in reality they can do a lot
The 4 door Tacoma and the Flagstaff 21FBRS is the exact combination that I attempted to combine, huge mistake. The Tacoma is a good truck, but not for towing this trailer. For me, it wasn't so much the weight (still somewhat of an issue) of the 21FBRS, it was the sailboat 8 feet front end that I was pulling down the road with full sail in the upright position. The Tacoma did ok on flat ground, but when my wife and I took it to the mountains of Tennessee, forget it. We pulled in 4th gear all the way, until the mountains, and then came the constant 4th to 3rd gear just to try to maintain 55 mph. When we arrived at our destination, I noticed the exhaust pipe turned a reddish brown. I'm not knocking the Tacoma, it's just not designed for this application. If interested (for maybe a small cargo trailer), it does however come with a connection point for add on brake controller, just buy the controller and the pigtail. I would have kept my Tacoma if I didn't like RV'ing so much, so I traded it for a 2017 Ford F150 3.5 liter Ecoboost (10 speed) and never looked back. My family is GM, I've owned plenty of GM trucks (GMC and Chevrolet) that always seemed to be attracted to the dealer's service center, like a magnet. I couldn't keep them out of it, two with issues (like transmission, electronics, etc.) that couldn't be repaired, but GM was aware of the issues. The GM discount wasn't worth it to me anymore. My Ford has been to the shop one time for a fog light lense that cracked with no road damage. I never thought I would like a Ford truck over my past GM trucks, but proof is in the pudding. I originally purchased the Tacoma because of the problems I had with my GM trucks, I was done, over it. Except for the Tacoma not being a good travel trailer tow vehicle, it also had no issues. I've got better things to do like camping other than sitting in a dealership hoping your truck will be repaired. Bottom line, if you own a Tacoma (still a great truck), do not attempt to buy one of these trailers or anything like it if you intend on keeping your Tacoma. Don't listen to the Toyota dealership, that was a mistake too. Buy a pop-up or an Aliner, not an 8 feet wide trailer. By the way, love the Truck King reviews, especially with the Jeep Wrangler (I own one and love it). Take care.
All good info. You also nailed a necessary fact for towing - where are you towing? If mountains are a regular thing for you - consider heavier, stronger and maybe diesel.
I have a 2014 4x4 Toco with the tow package. Air bags on the back suspension. Weight distribution hitch and sway bar. I work in the mountains of the Pacific Northwest. I tow a GoPro 19TH. Dry weight just under 3,000 lbs. So far so good. I have no complaints.
Thanks for the information. We started with a lightweight popup that a Rav4 can tow it. However, we could travel further and we bought a 2020 Tacoma TRD Sport 4x4 to make our trips out of state in the future. We will consider to buy in the future a lightweight trailer like a RPOD or JayFlight less than 3,500 pounds. We will stick with the popup, because the nature of our jobs our time is limited now.
@@robertcolon I shopped for 3 years looking at and talking with owners of all kinds of trailers. I would not recommend any of the Jay Flights. All the ones I looked at were damaged upon delivery to the dealers. All the owners of RPods said they all started leaking and breaking down in less than a year. I finally bought a Forest River GeoPro 19 Toy Hauler. Construction wise was what I could afford and still stay light weight. Otherwise I would have bought a Lance.
@@georgewilliamssr5230 Thank you for the information. Actually, this is a long term goal, but I will consider it. Hope that these companies will improve their construction.
My neighbor just purchased a travel trailer. He had a 2016 Tacoma Access Cab V6. After towing his trailer a few times, he sold his Tacoma and magically a used Tundra appeared. Need I say more.
Sadly, the Tundra probably even has a lower payload rating than the Canyon.
@@jimsomerville3924 1500-1700 pounds. More than the rado.
@@CACressida most of the payload rating stickers I've seen at the dealer and online for Tundra crew or extended cab 4x4s are 1200-14XX lbs.
@@jimsomerville3924 heaviest tundra per toyota has a 1530 payload. Lightest Tundra per Toyota has 1730 payload. Not sure what sticker you were looking at because 5 passengers would max out a payload according to what you seen. Doesnt make sense.
@@CACressida The specs on their website seem to not reflect the various configurations well and are not payloads that you will typically see on stickers of actual builds. And of course options add weight that come out of the max spec numbers. Most manufacturers seem to do this on their websites, but the Tundra's seem lower than most other fullsizes and often less than midsizes. Here's an example from Truck King: ua-cam.com/video/0MBH_YVmBqI/v-deo.html
It is good at the end of the video you guys brought up reliability and resale. It will be interesting to see how many "Canyons" are still on the road ten years from now. I bought a 2008 Toyota Tundra and drove the truck for 15 years without any issues. When I bought my 2022 Taco, I was not happy with the hp. I purchased the "Magnason Supercharger", and it is awesome 380hp!! Having owned many Toyota vehicles, I will be driving this truck for 15 years. I am confident, I will not see "Canyons" 15 years from now.
i've got a 2016 GMC Canyon All Terrain(older version of the AT4) and i love it. I tested out a Tacoma and a Ranger and went with the Canyon. just a better truck overall
I have a 2018 Canyon All Terrain. Pull my travel trailer with it. Love this truck.
I have a 16 Canyon also.
Did you get the latest computer update for the transmission? If you haven't you should. Makes it a different truck.
I have an ‘18 Colorado diesel with 81,000. Absolutely no issues.
Awesome video! This was one of the vids I referenced to help me decide on the 2.8 Canyon AT4. Keep up the amazing content!
Best "real life" truck channel on YT. Keep up the great work! cheers
Wow, thanks!
Fair comparison. Been towing a 3600 # (dry) trailer with my 2020 Tacoma without any issues but would like a little more torque on grades. However I love my Tacoma and use it for off roading as well and it does have wireless charging so it’s the truck for me. The only gripe I have with Toyota is they no longer include a transmission cooler with tow package.
The Tacoma does come with a transmission cooler with a v6 and the standard tow package. You're referring to the Tundra.
@@WhitelightningOG i have a2020 Tacoma w/tow package and it doesn’t have tran cooler. Has an engine oil and power steering cooler but not a transmission cooler.
@@freefalling120 you can find part numbers for a transmission fluid cooler all over, so why would it not be on your truck but on mine?
I spoke with the service manager where i bought my truck and he confirmed as well. Don’t know why mine wouldn’t but yours does. What year is your Tacoma?
@@freefalling120 it's a 2021, but I may have been given bad information, I'll need to double check after hearing this, the Toyota website spec sheet says it does as well?
I’ve towed 6,000 pounds with my Gen3 Tacoma ZERO issues pulls just fine using ECT and this is pulling a trailer in Arizona where it’s all hills .I test drove all the midsize trucks before purchasing a 2021 TRD off road double cab Tacoma to me it felt like it was a much better built than the rest. I went with quality and reliability, this Tacoma will be my last truck I ever purchase. I LOVE IT !
We had a 3rd gen Taco and would tow ~5,500 pounds. It had enough power at the top-end, but it lacked low-end power, which meant very high-strung driving, lots of transmission shifts and lousy gas mileage. Also, the brakes on the truck are weak and would overheat and fade. We had repeat warping issues with it, even with a brake controller.
@@jerryortiz909 Because it has those outdated drums on the back. Toyota bean counters love their profit margins.
Great test guys! I have been towing a Grey Wolf 24 JS, at 27’ overall and 4,500-5,600lbs. With a 2019 Colorado Crew Cab 4x4, WT, V6, that does a great job, easily maintaining legal speeds on all roads and grades, with a nice reserve for passing. I do use a Fastway E2 Weight Distribution Hitch, plus have the factory trailer brake control from Chevy.
i'm looking to buy a Canyon or Colorado myself for towing a 5500lb trailer. Is there really any difference between any of the different models of the Colorado or Canyon for towing ability? Does the factory trailer brake mount under the dash or in the dash? Thanks ahead of time.
The production of this video feels like I’m watching a show on tv but better because it’s on UA-cam. Keep up the great work mate
Wow, thanks!
I have the 2020 GMC Canyon Denali Diesel Crew cab Long bed. With the auto Trac and manual override for 2wd hi. 4 hi/4low and neutral for being dingy towed behind a pusher motor home. Best highway 2wd mileage doing 65 to 70mph was 37.4 mpg. However I use standyne diesel fuel treatment at every fuel up. Just 6 oz. To 21 gallons. Engine runs smoother and the DEF runs less ! GM has their version through their parts dept. It is good to use at every fuel stop. Cause some stations have crappy diesel and the fuel treatment evens it out.
GM did something right with these new little trucks. Would love to see a 200,000km long term review of both
Exactly, I can't trust GM, but I know Toyota's reliability...
@@befreud it's a myth toyota is better .....read up, like read real numbers and data on reliability and not your uncles 90's bad experience with GM when you were a child.
@@MBB563 I had a 2010 chevy aveo that died after 2 years. I will never buy another GM again. It's not my uncles story, it's my personal experience. When a 2003 Toyota lasted 200k miles longer (still running btw) I'm gonna go with Toyota...
@@befreud well when you can't tow or haul just about anything in the truck, I'd expect it to last a while
@@MBB563 lol GM is bottom of the barrel in every yearly ranking for reliability
Thank you. Well done. Anything with more power will take it. And pull it. I'll take the Tacoma for reliability any day.
In the US, the Tacoma is FAR cheaper. The SR5 trail edition is more like $39k US, and the GMC AT4 would run around the same $44k US price as it cost in Canada.
MSRP on the Tacoma is about $44,300, MSRP on the Canyon is 44,990, and you are getting more truck with the Canyon for about $700 more. The Tacoma and 4Runner are decades behind the curve when it comes to doing truck stuff. The options in that Tacoma are pretty piss poor for the price when you compare it to the Canyon AT4's options.
@@wildbill23c cope
@@chucksneed7230 You can.
Ain’t no coping needed. Toyota has been resting on their sales for a long time. They r gonna hafta step it up or lose sales no doubt.
I have a v6 21 canyon at4 and tow a 3500lb trailer a few times a month and have no problems with it. Only thing that ever concerns me is the atf temp.it touches 170 degrees on long inclines and am considering a transmission cooler. Good thing is it did come with the trailer brake controller and my trailer has brakes.
170 is actually not bad at all.
I agree with everything stated. I’d choose the Canyon too
Imagine that you agree🤔
Until your canyon suffers electrical issue a week or two lol
@@alyx2yonde301 followed by engine issues
I’d choose the canyon also. Happy Easter guys.👍🇨🇦
Thanks! You too!
In terms of what's first two last in mid-size: Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado/Canyon, Ranger. Tacoma and Frontier lead in terms of reliability, no questions asked.
I have the 2021 SR5 trail edition 4x4 Tacoma in the army green just like the 1 youre testing. I've been really thinking about getting a rv trailer so thank you very much for sharing this. My Tacoma here in Delaware US was $37,900. I would have preferred a GMC but, at these tough times with lack of chips for vehicles and high gas I couldn't afford anything better. Awesome video and thank you again
We have a keystone bullet 1900rd, towing it with a frontier 4.0V6. I added extendable tow mirrors, Timbren bump stops, brake controller.
Does it do the job? Yes. Do it well? No. Id rather have a half ton. A half ton will give better control, as they're longer, wider, and heavier.
I have towed Bigger and heavier trailers than this with a 2015 Canyon SLT , the canyon is an awesome vehicle I love mine it just hit 85k miles!
2016 canyon here. Love it
I'd like to see you guys run this same test with the Ford Ranger. I don't think I've seen you guys do a video of that mid-sized.
Haven't had one - but we are on the list.
Which one is going to last longer.
Bet the tacoma will.
And hold its value.
But Tacoma can't do the same job that we need.
@@luyennguyen2010 Depends what your needs are. If you are going to tow over 6000, just get a half ton instead of a mid size.
Tacoma can't handle over 4000 lbs properly, How can it handle up to 7400 lbs ? False ad or cheating ? plus Tacoma and Tundra have problem with their rust chassis, also gas millage is poor
If you live somewhere up north where they salt the roads, the Canyon will last longer. Toyota frames turn to dust
My 2018 F450 in tow mode would drag out the gears just like the Toyota so when hauling I would use manual mode.
These mid size trucks are really starting to shine as time goes on especially the zr2 for Chevy that model is worth its weight in gold outstanding truck for the price and the 3.6 v6 is best in class power and smooth
How is an unreliable truck worth anything?
The zr2 is a pretty sick truck.
@@huckleberry8079 agreed. Garbage Motors Corporation.
@@huckleberry8079 Colorado and canyon are constantly best in class. The Tecumseh's arent even liked buy Toyota loyalists anymore. Their comfort sucks and the 3.5 cant hang with the 3.6 GM v6. The Toyota also has a lousy trans that downshifts to make up for its lame braking.
@@ashes2ashes863 Your opinion sucks too just like the Chevy reliability. I will never own another GM product and none of my family members will as well. All my sons now own Tundras and Tacomas. Reliability is everything in a vehicle. We only own Toyota, nothing else. Gm will eventually go out of business due to making junk vehicles while Toyota just gets better every year.
I’m a Tacoma fan but that new Canyon AT4 is right on. My pick here
I wouldn't use a tacoma for hauling like I wouldn't use a canyon for off roading.
I regularly use my Taco to pull 2 of my Trailers. One is 2000lbs and the other is 4000lbs, I live in AZ we have heat and mountains. It has never let me down.
Had them both. Toyota built a little better but rides like an unsprung tractor. My back and comfort is most important .
As someone who has had both a Canyon and a Tacoma. In the long run Tacoma will out last the Canyon. At 100k I had to replace the transmission on the Canyon. On my Tacoma I went 250k before I had to replace the transmission. I’m staying w the Tacoma
I was towing that trailer with a 4runnner, numbers added up but I did not feel comfortable with winding days so bought a tundra today with the 5.7 engine.
I may be wrong but I've never considered the weight in the cab as part of the payload rating. I consider the payload as weight in the bed only as in the load you get payed to carry. "Payload". I consider the weight of things in the cab as part of the gvwr. If a truck is rated at 1000 pounds payload that's 1000 pounds in the bed, and I usually consider that a conservative rating.
You are wrong, technically, but modern pickup trucks are not struggling at all at their rated max payload. I would not worry about going a couple hundred pounds over max payload when not towing. However, when towing a big bulky travel trailer, I would want to be comfortably below all the weight ratings.
Hands down the GM if towing was on my list of must haves. I'd go with the diesel as well
Great comparison, Guys. Now I’d like to see you do the same thing with the Ranger, Ridgeline and new Frontier. That trailer is exactly the type of thing I’d tow with a midsize truck. I’d also like you to show me how a crossover would do, say a Highlander with a 5,000 lb. tow package. I’m asking myself whether I really need to trade in my Highlander for a mid size pickup, in order to tow a small travel trailer. Thanks.
Great suggestion!
An important factor in towing is the wheelbase of the tow vehicle (longer is better) which is where crossovers like the Highlander tend to be not as good for towing, particularly at their limit, like this trailer would be. It can do it, but you will find it not as confident a towing experience as a longer wheelbased tow vehicle.
I already knew what the answer would be. I have a 18" Z71 Colorado and it has been nothing short of amazing for my R-pod 193 Bunk house with a slide.
I have the 4 point Equalizer hitch and that thing is amazing as well.
Either those trucks are that small or this dude is a giant. Love the video comparison! I love how the Canyon looks!
I had a 13 Tacoma and it can tow. I towed our Rockwood Roo across Canada. You have no idea how TOTALLY ANOYING a wound out V6 is. Listening to the 4 litre 6 droning for 10 to 12 hours is not.much fun. Last year I bought a Tundra with the V8. Towing with the Tundra is way more relaxing. A few months ago I was at our landfill and with me in the Tundra and my crap...the Tundra tips the scale at 2960 kgs. The weight sure helps in towing and so does sway control. If you tow once in awhile...a v6 is OK.but V8 is way way better. The V8 is also better on fuel when towing.
That's the thing, the 4.0 doesn't make its peak torque till 4400rpm, and the 3.5L is over 5000rpm. V8 is the way to go!
@@trailrunnah8886 👍
Happy Easter fellas! All us blue collar U.S. boys who got our shots sure do wish your leadership would open your country again. Our fishing camp owners miss us and our desire to come spend money up there. Maybe 2022 I guess.
Never vote liberal. They will take your freedoms at every chance.
We hope everyone can travel by the fall.
Rockwood and FLagstaff are the exact same thing. A family down the street from us had the exact same trailer as us, a 2019 Rockwood 2104s. Which is very similar the what your were towing which was a Rockwood 2109s. The 2104s is a little taller and a little heavier. Anyway they started out towing it with a Taco and very shortly upgraded to a Tundra. We lived in the Sierra Nevadas at 4500+ ft elevation and I know there were some steep mountain climbs to 7300 feet that made our F150 work a bit, I can only imagine what the poor little Toyota was doing. We've now towed our trailer halfway across the country up and over 8400 ft elevation through wyoming and have had to deal with 28mph crosswinds through Nebraska even with a 4pt sway control hitch, it sucked but we were able to deal with it. No way would I want to experience that in a midsized truck. Weekend trips 1-2 hours away sure.
Great review and hit all the important points and IMPARTIAL! 👍🏻
Much appreciated!
I had leased a 2020 Ram 1500 4x4 with a 5.7 Hemi never used it to tow anything since I don’t own a boat or a camper it was just a Mall Crawler. My lease was up this year and I purchased a 2023 Tacoma V6 4x4, I like the fact of having a pickup truck especially for going to the beach and doing some camping. I miss the Ram’s interior space but that’s all, the Ram was getting 14-15mpg and the Taco is getting 18-19mpg around town. For those who are about to say it was a dumb decision, I want to disclose that a few months before the lease was up I started to smell antifreeze when I parked the Ram and my coolant reservoir was always low dealership couldn’t find any leaks well it was going somewhere, so with that in mind I thought I should get rid of it. Hopefully this year I can get a jet ski and I’m sure the Taco can tow it with no problem.
Pulling a Salem cruise light 4200lb with the GMC AT4. It works great.
Thanks for this great video. I drive a 2018 TRD Off Road long bed and when I tow I'm always thinking it is struggling.
I’d go canyon. Like to see how the ranger would compare
Far better..
I can tell you from personal experience the Ranger is worlds ahead of the Tacoma but GM holds its own pretty well against it. Tacoma still holds the crown for resale, but reliability and liability are evening out.
I’d be willing to bet payload was maxed out in the Tacoma. Lol
But the taco will last 300,000 miles
We will see. This new age toyota crap may or may not make it to 300k. My 2001 tundra, same size as this new age current gen tacoma crap, has more torque and hp cause it has an actual engine in it, the 2uzfe
@@ToyotaNutjob yes there is a difference between a 2001 4.7L v8 tundra and 3.5L V6 tacoma!!!🤦♂️
@@jagerkennethify that what you tell yourself to justify buying a Japanese truck
@@mattersr.7542 But talking generally Toyota is a very reliable brand.
The stock toyota shocks make it feel like you're driving a boat around. But I have my shocks and springs upgraded and it stiffened it right up and feels great towing
I'm a huge Tacoma fan, but the midsize truck market has a lot of competition now, and the Tacoma is falling behind. Hopefully Toyota will step up and make some much needed improvements to the Tacoma as a result!
You're absolutely right. Seems as though their rock solid reliability reputation is starting to fade too
My absolute favorite truck was the older and smaller body style Tundra. It seemed to be just the right size and the small v8 was very capable. It lacked fuel economy but in the crew with a 6 foot bed it did all I needed. Now full size trucks look like botox machines
Nahh Tacoma will outlast any truck
It's falling behind as sales pull ahead. Both are good options neither are tow rigs
@@SimplyCarReviews tacoma sells twice as many as the next competitor, highest resale value of any truck and one of the highest of any vehicle, proven dependability. Lower payload prob has to do with polymer bed. With that being said, it’s not perfect. I do have a ‘16 TRD Off Road and it’s got some short comings. Still wouldn’t trade it for any other midsize truck.
The ideal truck, for me, would be to have an engine similar to the Duramax in the Tacoma. The best of both!
Agree, gmc is better in this video but I'll take the Ford Ranger xl with the stx, fx4 and towing package..... about the same payload, a little more towing but way cheaper, 36,000.00
Great video guys I love Toyota but I would most likely go with the canyon myself. Cheers from GA
great review guys love this channel
Absolutely agree. Test drove a 2023 taco and a new 2022 canyon. Night and day. I went with the canyon. Couldn’t be happier so far.
Great video, looking to be able to haul stuff here and there and this video gave me more confidence with my 2021 GMC Canyon Elevation High truck!
Glad I could help!
GMC for sure! Happy Easter!
I absolutely agree, Canyon all the way. However, I personally just bought a 2021 Chevy Colorado z71 off-road edition with the heavy duty tow package. Including the trailer brake. This video was very helpful as I am currently researching what size camper I can truly tow with the new Colorado. Love your channel. Thank you. I would love it if you would do this exact thing again with my Colorado.
I have a 2018 colorado z71 with the same options as yours and I tow a rockwood geo pro 16bh dry 3200 gvwr 4300 . Put in an aftermarket brake controller and a weight distribution hitch with anti sway as it is a single axle trailer. No problems so far!! Got 14mpg last trip. check out Mario Worked on it channel on you tube. He is towing a 19ft geo pro with a 2021 colorado work truck and just did some suspension upgrades. Good luck in your search!!
@@barbarahajosch7208 thank you! Say, I tried looking up that channel and all I get to come up is super Mario Nintendo stuff. 😂
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@@barbarahajosch7208 that worked. Thank you
@@jacobcounty your very welcome!!
Im. GMC guy all the way. What is the max tow rating on the diesel though ?
7700 two wheel and 7600 four wheel drive
Who cares! it's a VM Motori! Google it in Dodges.
Nice to see that air dam removed. You guys should do another Canyon AT4 video with that gone, just to see what it will do
As a professional truck driver. Neither truck should be pulling a trailer this size.
I like the new design of the GMC Canyon's new front grille, way better than the Colorado's fron grille design.
The Tacoma has wireless charging standard on the TRD OR package, as far back as 2016, which is the truck you should have been comparing here.. And a black headliner.
I'd like to see toyota to gmc recall ratings. Gmc chevy may have way more problems. Is that why they hold value, because they are built well or better?
Toyota that is
I’ll stick with my Tacoma. I have reliability & excellent resale value.
I wonder what the real world fuel
Mileage is between a V6 Canyon vs 5.3 sierra. It may just be worth it to get the sierra w more power minus a mpg or so.
My taco got 300k going strong 💪
Tacoma all the way
Not sure why anyone would go with the taco over the canyon.
Back in the 80s, no question, Toyota was better quality, not so anymore. Canyon is the way to go.
I just bought 2021 the best year for the canyon....7th year generation and they perfected it. Tho 2015, the first year edition was bad, but GM fixed a lot of those first year issues....and sadly this is the last year....so Canyon 2018 to 2021 buy it! You will not regret it. And yes Im well aware some angry dude will say I have 2018 and Ive been at the dealers every other week....fine, but youll see for every unhappy canyon owner youll have 100 that will say....great truck! Thats basically 1 to 108 ratio for Totoya. Not much difference.
The value of the Tacoma is in reliability and resale. The GMC has a lower purchase price, but the total cost of ownership is lower with the Tacoma.