Manufacturing the Clerical Predator
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- A NEW FILM FROM NATE'S MISSION AND ENDING CLERGY ABUSE
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The Catholic Church has overseen the world's longest-lasting and most widespread campaign of institutional sexual abuse. Why is it that after sixteen centuries of documented evidence and decades of continuous international public exposure, new revelations of the scope and magnitude of the crisis continue to shock the public?
Manufacturing the Clerical Predator goes beyond the usual clichéd and tediously-repeated popular explanations offered for the abuse crisis by exploring the personal narrative and theoretical accounts of three Wisconsin former seminarians and priests detailing the transmission of the culture of clerical abuse across three generations. It supplies a fresh, unique, and urgently-needed approach to the question that has yet to be answered about sexual abuse and cover-up in the Church: Why?
I was Catholic my entire life. In August of 2019, I made a conscious decision to leave the church because of all its monumental hypocrisy. I feel closer to Jesus now than I ever did as a "staunch Catholic." This program is magnificent because it speaks the truth. Nothing here is exaggerated or falsified. (When I was in a Trappist monastery in 2009, a Bavarian priest sexually harrassed me to no end. When I took this to the Abbott, who was very well educated, he told me that "maybe the priest is just stupid and didn't know what he was doing." As a fully heterosexual man, I laughed at the Abbott's idiocy and left the monastery forever the next day.)
I am a former Catholic Priest. I remember in my first assignment, I was on fire. The fact that many of the people were from Ascoli Piceno in the Marche region of Italy, fired me up even more. In the rectory, there lived a priest who just lived there. When I inquired about this I was told not to worry about it. I soon learned that this guy was stationed at a neighboring parish, at that parish apparently, he was moved quickly. Nothing was said regarding that sudden move, eventually I learned that the move was perpetuated because he sexually abused a boy. My pastor told me not to worry about this, but it affected me adversely where I couldn't even sit at the table and eat with him.
R u still Christian?
Did you ever think to call the police? Catholics (and I am one) seem to have a problem with reporting abuse to the police when they have reasonable suspicions, There is no excuse for this neglect Claiming that you don't have proof is dishonest. It's not your job or place to gather proof. That is the function of the police and Child Protection workers and not the laity or the bishops or the pope. Many Catholics are guilty of this abuse because they did nothing about it when it was just that simple. The Catholic Church has no business investigating allegations or being the go between for parishioners and the police. The Church needs to butt out and only intervene when ordered to do so.
I highly recommend a book "Near to God Far from Rome" by Richard Bennett. It's a testimony of 50 ex-Catholic priests. Namely, how they came to trusting the true gospel after the Lord got a hold of them through His word. These testimonies span a number of decades and it's so encouraging. I wept through many of the stories. I am an ex-Catholic who turned to New Age for 20 years. Then, after a friend put a King James Bible in front of me, I was immediately convicted (and angry!) After months of wrestling with God and the scriptures, I surrendered, repented, and believed on the gospel that saves (1 Cor 15:1-4.) God gave me a new heart instantly and I know that I will forever be His. This happened 9 years ago and I'm still wanting to share this with anyone who will listen. I pray you are seeking God in prayer, surrender, and by His word.
Believe it or not, he was merely the symptom. The problem was bigger than him. The problem was and remains The Roman Catholic Church. It has not changed. It 'remains the same. The Church merely masks the symptom. It's not sorry for its sin. It's sorry it got caught and teaches its laity to deflect guilt and shame by pointing to other religions and institutions "Oh, they all do it" is their defense. Your revulsion at the dinner table was not caused by him as much as by the organization protecting him from his consequences and accountable for enabling his bad behavior. The Catholic Church may as well beatify him on his way to sainthood. They don't care. They see the Church as his victim and not the children he and they hurt.
The Catholic Church is pretty creepy by promoting the Heliocentric model. Why would they promote something that tricks people into believing they are a speck of dust on a spinning water ball in the black void of outer space? It's a huge problem. They are promoting a false cosmology which leads to solipsistic behavior like we see in this video.
This is a really helpful and powerful documentary. Sad and tragic stories of the abuse of power-and yet, thankfully, these men also offer hope of a better way.
This was an excellent video. As a former cleric This video has helped me understand many of the things that I have not understood since I left the ministry. Thank you for your good work.
This is a very powerful and beautiful documentary, though it's very hard to listen to sometimes. And I think it's 100% correct in its analysis: Nothing is going to change as long as the church is an autocracy controlled by male bachelors. And since I don't think the Magisterium is ever going to give up even an iota of their current power and privilege, I think the institutional church is going to die. If Catholicism survives, it's going to survive as independent laity-controlled congregations in which women share power equally with men and any instances of sexual abuse are immediately reported to the police.
RCC made Celibacy a Law for Clerics in 1123 AD. I’m assuming such applied to Nuns too.
I agree that the chance of giving up magisterium power is slim.
The Great Falling Away
is on display.
Thank you for your courage
Paedophilia is the largest problem witthin families in the world:
Child Sex Slavery.
Child Pornography.
It would be a different world
IF the current Synod
was focused on
WAYS to Protect Children
Prevent Sex Sins
Thank you Tom Doyle. Again.
Lyn Hayward Taylor
SNAP Louisiana
Pope Francis said, “Clericalism is when the priests and other clergy in the church start to think they are more important and powerful than everyone else. Displeased, he said it was like a disease, like a leprosy that is really hurting the church. He told church leaders, especially those working in the Vatican to get rid of the bad habits and temptations like feeling indispensable, wanting to be rich, living a double life, and even forgetting about God.”
The pyramid of hierarchical authority, and the ordination of gay men is but the mighty beast of power that has taken over in the church that Jesus Christ established. God will cleanse His temple as He did when He went up to Jerusalem and told them to stop abusing and misusing ”My Father’s house.”
There are so many non free thinking clericalised lay people in the catholic church now, that it has become harder to demand changes to bring back e.g. the altar rails that were ripped out of our churches removing this reverence and more efficient way of receiving God on our tongues, and to put Christ back where He belongs in our churches so that we may once again have access to visit Him in unlocked churches. God protect us and Your church...
Who is this "boss" that this former Dominican priest talking about?
"...a way for offender priests to have vulnerable seminarians open up about their sexuality and it gets them to talk about about their sexual preferences and......" on it goes. So he then tells us how these offender priests, a great way for them to 'scope out territory...' and they know this person (seminarian) is struggling, they might be conflicted about homosexuality and so on. If you're the offender priest you now know you can 'target' them, they're vulnerable, open to exploitation. They've opened up; you know their secret.
It's a part of grooming their intended victims.
If you want justice, blame the individual. If you want money, sue the institution. But if you want real healing, then ask for Divine Mercy.
There is no way you can truly believe in God and do these things. Especially calling yourself a man of God. It seems to be getting darker . May God bless us all.
Edward Lots of people these days who call themselves Catholic, are not really Catholic at all. They lack Catholic Faith and Piety. They think they can commit sins, even sins which are civil crimes, with impunity. Their mind and conscience, and their life, is compartmentalized.
Yes of course... as long as they repent they should have entry into heaven... doesn't matter if they are pedos or mass murderers. That's the morality of Christianity.
This was happening in all religions, not just in Roman Catholic Church AND in all institutions .
God is not going to bless all.
It’s not compartmentalization,
it’s a seared conscience aka
a reprobate mind.
With Repentance (Godly sorrow, not worldly regret) GOD may forgive sins.
Sexual Sins are be committed elsewhere and not only by RC clerics, but no other institution claims to be holding back hell.
James Egan's photo at the beginning of his interview resembles the late Jeffrey Dahmer. I also noticed that Thomas Doyle has somewhat of an uncanny resemblance to the late overnight radio talkshow host Art Bell. ☝️🙄
This is all rather bizarre. Would a diocese allow a predator in to talk to and instruct seminarians? So where does this occur? Surely seminarians are not that naive that they'd suddenly talk to someone ("I'm an ex-offender") and reveal all to them? Do they? If they confessed to them, isnt the Seal being broken?
Sad with all this confusion in the RCC?
Not from the point of view from how much they brought it all upon themselves. Many would say. Often it was the 'good ones', the ordinary footsoldiers who never did anything, I'd feel sad for them. It was known manys the bishop offered little to no support. Maybe those bishops thought it would all simply 'go away'.
Enforced Celibacy
+ Seal of Confession
= Catch 22
🙉 Hear no evil
🙈 See no evil
🙊 Speak no evil
Life Long CELIBACY is not natural. It is not GOD’s design, plan or commandment.
RCC made Celibacy their LAW.
SEE the Consequences of changing instead of obeying
GOD ?
This is good as far as it goes. What is missing is what my experience has informed me as the fundamental problem: the refusal to accept the truth about homosexuality which corrupts the seminary formation process. That process is thoroughly dysfunctional. It is deformation by defamation.
Happy New Year 🕛.
Sad we have to pray to God to give these men of God to persevere in holiness and not power
The thing is... you don't.. it's all a show with empty hands.
There is NO excuse for the cover-up and continued contagion in the Church. BUT, I am not Catholic because of the “Instituted”. I am Catholic because that is the church that Jesus instituted. The INSTITUTION MUST be dismantled. Jesus has been patient….
1870 the year the church was closed the rest is outrage 😮
Saint pius X He was the last of the GOOD ones.
Really difficult to watch…I’ve been there
Not surprising to hear of the “wicked to the core” status of the RCC. As the Lord Jesus had said when he walked this earth “you (referring to the hypocritical religious power at the time) travel over land and sea to make a single convert, and when you do, you make him twice a son of hell as you are.”
The good news, however, is that victims can find true deliverance and healing through faith and repentance. Come to me, you who are heavy laden, take my yoke on you and learn from me. For my yoke is easy and my burden, light-the words of our ONE and ONLY mediator-Jesus the Christ.
Since V2, more than 150k priests hv left the priesthood, considered by sm a subtle victory of reptile of paradise!
Pray for our priests… very sad. Thank you.
Like hell! Pray, if you believe in such stuff, for their victims.
JESUS CHRIST IS PRESENT IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST. NEVER LET ANYONE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.
They abused me too
Ecclesiasrical Freemasonry, Heretical Darkness.
Msg 2 b delted.
Absolutely 💯 no excused .The buck must stop at the Bisops and the Vatican 🇻🇦 we can blame the devil and deamons, but they are only alluring but not forces in us to do his will
Savior Jesus warned about
The Deceiver
False Prophets
Selfish Shepherds
Th greatest Mistake people make s 2 joint an institution religious or otherwise 4 what they will get 4rom it & not 4 what they can contribute 2 it. On the other hand, it's also good 2 appreciate th fact that a priest s a human being & there4 liable 2 commit sin just like u & me. But th fact s th sins of a priest r individual's not th Holy Church"s. We r in Catholic Church not because of th prests but 4 our own salvation & th salvation of souls by th creator of Th Church Jesus Christ. We also know that He did not create Churches but He created One Holy Church ie th Catholic Church. Also we believe that wit God chastity & celibacy s posible. This th ultimate Truth. God can do all things.
" Come 2 me all u who labour & r burdened & I will give u rest, thus says our divine Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. "
Also some people opt 4 priesthood not because they r Called 2 priesthood but because they r sexual predators. Inside th Church s th best place 2 hide & hav free access 2 victims 2 prey on mostly th children. They r very vulnable & voiceless.
O Lord Jesus Christ, make haste 2 save ua holy Church & ua children. Amen. Thank u LORD. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Celibacy is a RCC Law (since 1123 AD). Celibacy is NOT a Command from GOD.
Karban Malta Leaks redacted Knights of Malta Czechoslovakian or Polish or Arabic for burnt sacrificial offering or gambler or chance or overseer.
Seriously. Where did this IDEA priest- got- to - be Virgins...come from ?? Don't you think (?)...in- lies- the nexus- problemo??? In terms of Mamma- Mary. You know... you're not dumb. The Word V in Aramaic means... young- woman.
They have to be chaste, not strictly virgins. Priests come from different backgrounds and life experiences, some having lived quite immoral lifestyles in the past before turning to God. The problem is with the deviants who entered into seminaries not to serve God, but to find opportunities to gratify themselves and prey on others. These need to be screened out. The Church has started to be better at this, but they won’t be 100% successful, just like how future abusers will get education degrees and will be hired to teach in schools too.
sorry, you are blind to reality. The seminaries run by degenerates for degenerates and blackmailable bishops, it all needs washed out.
If it was just because men need to be married, why does it happen in other religions and other married men? The majority of the current priests and bishops who are not living according to their vows, have a network that allows them to continue. This same network is the one that leads their parishioners astray by telling them that evil is good and good is evil. Many people fall for it and don’t realize what is happening. Others do realize it and find a new parish. This Lavender Mafia is very hard on good priests who speak too loud and have them canceled.
Money... I know not very surprising.
in the early church there was no chastity laws in Catholicism (actually some christian religions still don't), which was the church closer to the time of christ.
But then church became rich and powerful and you priests would be tempted to share some of that wealth with their family, thus dilapidating church property. hence no (official) family no problem.
It has some ancient roots, but only started in the 11th century (still allowed some marriages) and was finalized in the 16 century.. .check wikis Clerical celibacy
@@vascoa Our Lord was celibate.
Sexual abuse by members of the clergy is horrendous. The cover up by bishops is diabolical. Unfortunately , this is what happens when the hierarchy becomes a bureaucracy. However, we have here two ex-priests who gave up the priesthood and an ex-seminarian all of whom have axes to grind. One an abuse victim who gave up his priestly duties and responsibilities to be with his gay lover. The second, an older liberal ex priest who opposes the dogma and doctrine of the Catholic Church, and lastly a ex seminarian who looks pretty gay himself. All of them have their own agenda. I’m glad they’re gone. We certainly don’t need any more Judas Iscariots in the clergy!
All you got is Judas in the clergy. Maybe ask Mary why her church is so full of perverts.
These 3 men ARE Truth Tellers. They are NOT Betrayers.
JESUS was (among other things) was the ultimate Truth Teller.
He exposed Religious Leaders for being HYPOCRITES.
Are these 3 men
more like Jesus
OR
more like Judas ???
doyle is knowlegable and interesting. but he is grandstanding, and making his living off the sufferings of others, Besides he left. I am not interested in what ex priests think.
Some are extremely interested in what X-Clerics have to say as they have insider information.
Truth Telling WHISTLEBLOWERS often upset with those who prefer to remain in denial.
When you stop and think about it, It’s really laughable to see gay men, declaring themselves “victims” of “sexual abuse”🤣
With all due respect both heterosexual and homosexual individuals can be sexually abused and raped.
The “measures” taken by the church to deal with the abuse amount to putting lipstick on a pig. Still a pig.
I was impressed by the contribution from the ex-seminarian (James Egan). Anyone who is interested can hear him again in episode 184 of 'The Angry Catholic', in which he talks about the work he does for survivors of clerical abuse in the Archangel Foundation.
Christopher, I agree. He is erudite and speaks very well. And there is a quality in his voice which is very genuine.
The church replaced moral reasoning and common decency with obedience. Blind obedience to its hierarchical delusion.
The Church of the Antichrist is against free will. It's another way to mock God.
These three brave and intelligent men made me feel decidedly less ashamed to be a human being.
Yet, we never truly know how we hurt others because we’ve never done anything this bad.
how long did it take for someone to admit that some of the predators were BISHOPS!!
Nate was my good friend. He wanted this to come out. He would be glad to know this is getting more exposure.. Enough is enough...
who is Nate?
Who is Nate? Good question!
Did he commit suicide ver Sadly
The whole organization is corrupt
@@Yobbie72 Nate Lindstrom (in memory of, in ending credits)
rx: don't give the catholic church another penny ever. there are plenty of other worthy causes.
Thanks for making this film. I just watched it twice.
I have been a devout Roman Catholic since 1961, but I renounced my Roman Catholic faith in 2022 for two chief reasons: one, the Roman Catholic faith is not aligned with the Bible; and two, I was spiritually liberated by the book I read entitled "Altar of Secrets: Sex, Politics, and Money in the Philippine Catholic Church" by Aries C. Rufo. I am now a born again Christian . . . much better!
Celibacy is a sacrifice made by a man or woman that is called to religious life, the person gives up the opportunity of having a family for God. A homosexual makes no such sacrifice. Perhaps it's a way for the Catholic family homosexual to save face and say he has a calling to the priesthood which is wrong. Now it is as if you must be a homosexual to become a priest.
You have this right. These monsters were not “manufactured” in the Church, they were deviants before they entered the seminary and they never planned on living out a virtuous life of chastity. They didn’t enter seminary because they loved Christ and His Church above all and wanted to offer their lives in service to it. Far from it. I have been told this by priests who saw men in seminary who never should have been there.
There is much blame that can be directed to how the church handled cases of abuse and failed to protect the innocent. Protecting the innocent from evil and bringing healing to the wounded is at the heart of the Church’s mission. To fail to identify the cancer within and to cut it out - is a colossal failure and human tragedy. My heart grieves for these innocent victims.
But to fix issues, the issues have to be properly understood. And understanding who these monsters are is critical - so we can prevent more like them from ever entering seminaries in the first place. I believe the Church does better now at psychological screening, but like with any human institution, it will not always succeed. And where deviants are themselves in positions of power within the Church? - God help us. We need brave and holy Church leaders who demand we have a HOLY priesthood that is sworn to uphold and live out ALL the teachings of the Catholic Church. And when abuse is discovered, there needs to be justice… so healing can begin.
Celibacy wasn't a requirement in the first centuries of the church, what it was closer to the time o jesus.. so tell me again why is it so amazing?
And isn't a requirement in some christian denominations. The real reason it became policy was to protect the church property. Since the local clerics would receive and manage materials and lands of the church which could them be inherited or give to their sons, thus dilapidating the church. It's all about money.
@@vascoa It still isn't required in the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church.
The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims.
The Catholic Church has already given it's reasons for celibacy,
Just do a simple Google search on why Priest are Celibate and many good reasons are given for why.
Sexual abuse is a disgusting filth that should be met with the harshest of punishments wherever it's found.
Tom Doyle is a magnificent man.
Just seen that Nate took his life. So awful. This is such an important film.
No he did not comit suicide.
Nate did indeed take His life after the Norbertine monsters cut off the hush money they were paying Him that He was using for therapy that kept Him going.
who is Nate?
@@trafficjon400 yes he did
@@susannehermeling9207 Yes he did gives no explaination if he did or not. Yet you can see in his expressions are not good.
I know many priests from my boyhood and none of them were predators. It has to be said too.
I am Catholic, and I know a lot of excelent and kind priests!! They help me a lot in several painful moments, with kindness and respect. I owe them a lot, and I am grateful!😃
And how many of them turned their faces away and ignored the problem? I know the answer from the inside, most priests and religious and nearly every Bishop upwards.
Maybe you didn't look hot enough.
What sane, caring parent would send off their young children with a lone priest for a week in the country? Or any lone adult, for that matter. This is inconceivable to me.
Maybe but many single aunts and uncles do this. If the priest is a very close family friend, they wouldn’t have thought about it. It was very different years ago. You can’t look at at it, the way we do now.
@@LmrWI .... you are correct. Just How many people didn't know what a same sex attraction person was...l was one of them! People, families never ever spoke of such matters: why would they.
@@fritula6200 It should be noted that Tom Doyle pointed out that most predators are married men. And it's Gay, not "same sex attracted."
Remember, they have the "air" of respect.
DOGS!!
People lived in fear and reverence of the church back then. It was terrible.
Very powerful and poignant.
thank you so much from Czech Republic!
Vote with your $$$
Those vultures of the Vatican are worse than evil
This is what's difficult & complicated about the catholic church, it's either the sexual scandal, corruption or the bullying, & this happens not just among Priests, Religious & seminarians but it also happens among the laity who serves within the church.
I am a woman doctor who has cared for victims, families and even predators. The problem happens in Protestant churches and cults too. These speakers present very real insights and I thank them for it. The attack on the victim is not just physical, it is combined with ongoing psychological abuse of the victim and often their families too, and in this case of seminarians and priests, all of whom are recruited or cajoled into silencing the victim. This exercise of power is part of the excitement for the predator. Predators cooperate with others to find their victims, sometimes they get someone to act as procurer,lookout, and someone to lie and cover up for them. Churches and religious orders have international paedophile rings operating within them. None of this is being addressed.
Whatever it is, my faith remains to God and my church
U forgot Doctors,Judges,Lawyers etc. Academic's are not squeaky clean either.
Ignore the blind faith people even though they have seen and known the truth... !!! Mamen... !!!
@@veronicaoliem3778lol
@@koro287I would say they are top of the list
Oh my heart breaks. As a survivor myself. I thank you for you bravery. What the concept of a priest being ontologically changed in Christ does to many of us who were victims is horrific!
The whole ontological change concept is all about control and grooming
The abused are like Jesus who are left behind with thorns in their heads. I send my love and blessings to all who stand up and work towards a better spirit for us all. Because I am furious.
And Jesus wept
Amazing vid thanks. All my family my in laws my wife were influenced greatly by the Roman church. I thankfully went a different route. I lived In London next to the most important abbey in London Ealing abbey. The past Abbott has recently been sent to prison for 17 years he jumped bail and was on the run for years he was helped on the run by Rome and was tracked down to Albania and had to be extradited back to the UK. A whole succession of priests from the abbey have been sent to prison. This stuff is still going on. I was raped by a teacher repeatedly as a boy . My life fell apart . I had him arrested 40 years later he had just retired as the headmaster of a Roman Catholic primary school and was just about to become a deacon of his local church. The police did not prosecute him
This is so devastating. I am so sorry that you had to go through this. I was brought up in the Roman Catholic Church and thank God the Holy Spirit led me out of the Roman Catholic system, and I became a born-again Christian. I started reading the Bible and I now realize that this is the harlot which is described in revelation 13. It’s so very sad. they have led countless souls to very dark places… May God be with you and your family
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hello thanks for your good wishes . I too was a born again Christian for about 20 years I am not a Christian now . The harlot of revelation was obviously non believing Jerusalem . Please see my other comment below
@@ricdavid7476 hey there, Ric… so I just want to know this very amazing thing. If you truly as you say, were a Christian born again, the Father will never let you out of his hands. You can choose to turn away, reject and leave, but the father will never leave you, nor forsake you. Because this is a work of God that sustains us-not of ourselves. So now, just like the prodigal son you may be far away from him but he has never left you.
This is so mind blowing. I thought about That this morning as I was waking up. The prodigal son.
He loves his children that much.
It’s amazing how the Bible always shows us that it’s always about him being faithful when we’re not faithful.
So yes, you may have left Christianity, but if you are born again of the spirit, He will never leave you. You are now a son and an heir no matter what you do in this lifetime.
Truly, showing that God, when we make a confession about who he is, we are sealed with the holy spirit of promise until the day of redemption. Again, mind blowing. No other religion in the world will ever bring man to this knowledge because this is not the knowledge of man, but of God.
I share this because I truly feel a supernatural peace, even when The world around us is falling apart. This is how I know the one true God, because of the peace that I feel that surpasses my own human understanding. I want everybody to understand this truth, and understand they can have the same because or that I am faithful, but because he is faithful.
God Bless!
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hey man thanks for your comment I know you mean well. What you said is really the fatal flaw in your theology . I have no doubt I was sincere when I confessed with my mouth jesus and believed in my heart that God has raised him from the dead. However in your theology I can now murder and rape at will confident that I will go to heaven. You really need to look at my comment I made down below . It is the truth and the truth will set you free
@@ricdavid7476You weren't born again ,Christian in name only
At my brother's public school the comment was Father has a thing for boys' bottoms - it was an attempt to minimise
smoke a cigarette before you meet McCarrick!! Tragic but hilarious.
What a eye opening Report about
McCarrick’s aversion to scent of cigarettes.
It is TRAGIC that he victimized seminary students + that so many others knew about ongoing sexual abuse + Archbishop Vigano reported to 2 Popes (Benedict & Francis) about McCarrick + he wasn’t “defrocked” for YEARS.
I understand that McCarrick was once an excellent moneymaker.
He was (recently) declared incompetent to stand trial.
This was very well done. It was clear, thoughtful and honest. The condemnation was placed exactly where it needs to be - on the heads of those that perpetrated these crimes and those that protect them. I am a practicing Catholic who loves Christ and His Church, but I do not want to turn a blind eye to evil within our own institution because of the fear of how this may be perceived. Thank you for the kind and respectful way you presented this very difficult material. And thank you to the brave men that came forward to share their story. I do not want to cede our beautiful church to these criminals but also know that the church is set up to heal poor sinners such as these. They just shouldn’t be running it!
Same behaviour is still evident with priests being bullied and cancelled for being good priests who uphold tradition.
I thank God for Church Militant TV.
James I'm proud of your truth
What a ridiculous concept... Allow priests to marry... All men want sex... Better to marry, St. Paul said. Maybe it's more about the Church attracting narcissists and psychopaths... Good people do good things! As the historical churches of all faiths have always done... Hospitals, Social Services... 🤗 Kindness, Love 💕 etc. etc...
Celibacy and chastity are not the problem. Homosexuality is.
How is homosexuality the problem?
@@tonyfurtado5595 it’s a problem because it’s perversion.
Bergoglio is the worst cover-up artist of them all.
Read the oath that Jesuits take.
Read the history of the Jesuits.
Still a facade: "...powerful people were allowed to continue to engage in predatory behavior even on an really exceptional scale..." (31:36)
At 33 minutes, I dont 'get' this. Suddenly we've ex-offender priests talking to seminarians. All because of the Polish pope's emphasis on celibacy and a state of being chaste...... this leads to... read on.....
20:04 I used to be one of those devout Catholics until a few years ago and although I knew of the abuses I rationalized or downplayed them away during those years as I really believed the apologetics on this one, I was raised by parents who also really liked JPII growing up but I became a Traditionalist type of Catholic during high school and college (as the Latin Mass seemed to be making a come back in many dioceses until the pope put a stop to it nearly two years ago) and my fellow Trad friends usually either blamed Vatican II itself or the chaos that came after it for the abuses when they weren't blaming the LGBT+ community instead (mainly the gay priests) so I guess that's the way I dealt with the situation until the very last day I called myself a Catholic.
Because of that the crisis pretty much played no role in my deconversion and it's been several years now since I left the but now I'm starting to see I may have been lied to in more ways than I thought and for a good chunk of my life I thought God wanted me to be a priest (and I idealized the priesthood as a result), however I never made it to seminary and I'm grateful for that.
Still trying to recover from the +10 years of repression and guilt I got as a hormonal teenager through Purity Culture/Theology of the Body type of theology I got but I was told the moment I looked at a woman a certain way and gave in to "impure thoughts" that would be a mortal sin and would go to hell unless I went to confessional (and confess I did very often, like every two weeks at one point), now I see why so many have left over the scandal and it's mostly because of the hypocrisy and the audacity of these priests and bishops to dictate what our sex lives should be like while all of this was going on.
Yet another reason why at this point I want nothing to do with the institution I used to be so loyal to and made the center of my life for too long, I'm not exactly optimistic that true reform will come anytime soon and this will keep happening.
Submit to the Roman Catholic Church
The HYPOCRISY of Religious Leaders IS exactly what Savior Jesus Exposed and Warned us about.
You may want to consider that it was through the help of Vatican II, this internal problem was dragged into the light. The misguided orthodoxy plaguing the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II was a contributing factor in blinding Catholics and non-Catholics to this unfortunate reality. Back in those days, people tended to deify clergy and other clerics in the Church. In a sense, they could do no wrong. The Church's demonizing of human sexuality added fuel to the fire. These excessive practices may have served as shields and food attracting power hungry and control seeking people. In a sense, Vatican II forced the Catholic Church out of its closet and thereby exposing its ugly "secrets" for all to see. When a dysfunctional body is exposed for its corruption, the view is not pretty. That, I believe is where the Church now stands. People, especially some Catholics, view that exposure as "attacking the faith" . So they fight back by blaming the pope, attacking Church reform, and rejecting more meaningful liturgy as causing the Church harm. Consequently, they see the solutions as turning the clock back to the days of Latin Masses, ovelrritualization and supernatural beliefs such as apparations of the saints, the Shroud of Turin, and the blood of Christ flowing from a communion wafer. Some see all of this as a sign of hopelessness for theChurch, but it may be an indicator of the need for continued reform and not regression. Don't jump off the ship just yet.
I also was a Catholic and left the church. It would seem that the only cure for this child rapist problem among the priest is to completely shut down the church so these predators would no longer have easy access to the children. And the only way this organization of crime will be shut down is if every Catholic walks away and stops supporting it on every level. What is the right thing to do? Support a criminal entity or protect the children? It's obvious that the Vatican will never serve any kind of justice and will continue to promote child rapists by continuing to hide them and/or move them from place to place. Their deceptive protocol plan has been reveal even within their own records which have been subpoenaed for court. The Catholic Church has too much power around the globe thanks to their Jesuits who invade countries through government. The Catholic Church is nothing short of organized crime on many levels. It's too bad that most Catholics cannot bring themselves to read and research the true history of the church. The Catholic Church is nothing more than Lucifer's church.
Why didn't God protect the children? Why didn't God stop these predators? Any ideas?
I was not sexually abused. I was a Catholic orphan STOLEN from my mother by John Cardinal O'Connor who was paid by my father and then she was put through "electro shock treatments, three times, for the sole purpose of surrender". God does not 'let this happen'. People have free will. My life was a living HELL. However, I had a deep and very mystical relationship with St. Elizabeth Ann Seton and there were excellent priests, bishops and nuns who did help ME get through and endure the suffering AND support and guide me in fighting the demons in the Church. And, at the end of the day, IF you are Catholic .... you know there's a heaven and a hell.
Idiots will say freewill... freewill from the abuser obviously..
Which means they are of the position that god is unwilling to stop the abuser making him an evil god, or probably unable to which makes it not much of a god.
Basically an non intervening god isn't much of a god at all. 😑
If they were good christians they could offer themselves as sacrificial lambs to the abusers in the hope of saving unwilling victims.. Or simply demand of the church they stop the abusers, instead of ignoring or defending the organization.
@@penelopecarterdougherty8575 brilliant...
Yes, Jesus said it would be better a man have a millstone tied around his neck and cast into the sea, than cause one of these little ones to fall.
The Lake of Fire...
Yep. ‘He’ is a figment of gullible people’s imagination.
All that for something imaginary called god.
All of it is 1000% correct
Hope for more brave, humble and truthful documentary like this. That shows that even priests need regeneration by the Holy Spirit. And turn into a real ontological change through faith in Christ alone. Religious discipline is not enough Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. May everyone in RC turn to Jesus Christ for 2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
I look at these verses as it is. I may seem superstitious on this but I believe on God who creates something out of nothing with God all things are possible. Amen
cupich is mean-spirited
Utter madness.
This is one of the best documentaries, if not the best, on the sickness of the Catholic Church..Bravo!
Unfortunately, it is not their MOST obscene secret....
is there more?
would you like to share with the rest of the class?
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Hello Paul ..
What's the deal with Jesuits?..
I honestly don't know
Thank you for your excellent exposé.
weakland was one of the problems. plus, he destroyed a beautiful Cathedral
It was just a building! Instead think of the HUNDREDS of deaf and mute, read that again, deaf and mute children were raped, sodomized and tortured at the special boarding school. Years later when as adults they sought justice, this skank along with skank Dolan screwed these people their rightful settlement! The RCC clergy are mostly misfits who are drunk on power. I left the the Church and never looked back. The RCC does not have the cornerstone of Jesus. Ontological change, transubstantiation, celibacy, chastity is a bunch of man made bull!
Creating a religious system within which clergy aren't allowed to marry, creates an unnatural environment. The "sacred feminine" /holy grail of manhood regards orgasm as the ultimate physical experience. That constitutes "god" for many through the ages. If you find yourself in a religious system in which you gain knowledge of deity, it remains soul-dimension-bound. Until you meet the Creator of the universe in person, you just remain religious- gaining knowledge, emotional experiences- in your own unique manner as a person:that constitutes your soul. Only the bride of Christ has a spirit dimension which has truly come alive. Only they can hear God's voice and see Him manifest to them in many ways. That is the ultimate human "experience". Knowledge of the bible, doing good deeds an trying to be a good person doesn't make you part of the bride. Untill then, you'll be mislead by the religious spirit-which is a demonic entity.
The Devil & Demons have their best successes INSIDE the Religious Arena.
Successful DECEPTION is Why people continue to remain loyal to RCC Clerics + RCC Dogma.
Savior JESUS Warned About
The Deceiver & human deceivers-
False Prophets
Selfish Shepherds
The reason why they went to the church is because they could get away with the rape of minors.
You have it backward ..
Smoke of S…… is in the church. Praying for the victims. Have mercy on us dear Lord.🙏🏻🕊️✝️
Praying for 2000 years dishonest passive ignorance and the ANTI CHRIST.
S?
Smoke of Satan
A very thoughtful response, really we are all without words about the betrayal of the completely misrepresented little Jewish bloke from Palestine.
I hope you all know that you are bringing healing to many just by speaking on this.
Does anyone have recommendations for victim outreach? I need spiritual healing and guidance that I can trust. I'm so ready to serve God, I'm so ready to heal and move on. I want my light back, I can't keep living like this. I can't keep living in fear.
People really need to understand that there never was an actual separation between church and state. All intertwined. I wish that governmental agencies would get the same amount of scrutiny the Catholic church gets. It is NOT just the Catholic church, it is in EVERY sect of religion.
I dont hate the church, I WANT to serve God. I love Jesus. I need my light back but I've been fucked with my entire life and I'm scared to trust anyone. I'm actually convinced that I've been cursed since literal birth.
My mother told me she was told to never return to the Catholic church because she was 16 and unwed and pregnant. I'm convinced we were put on some sort of list....
I know it sounds crazy, it FEELS crazy!
I just dont see how this many bad things can happen to one person.
It literally feels like there is this push to get me to k*ll myself. 😢
I've even had people with credentials tell me that im NOT crazy that what I'm saying actually does happen and it really isn't that far fetched. I try to find peace in that.
God is the only reason I'm alive, I truly believe that! I should be dead, several times over. I have a life story, most probably wouldn't believe. 😢 God has to be THE only explanation of me being alive.
So sad, and painful to watch these fellow catholics suffer so much at the hand of priests.
i like James Egan. Dont know him, but it would be nice if i did. But when he says "the Church", it is not "the Church" it is some people "IN" the Church, including clergy and some Bishops. I had a Bishop who was an alcoholic, a pathological liar, and a sexual predator. I did not lose my Faith because of him. The Church is the Body of Christ, which is not defined by its tumors, warts, and pimples. If a bishop wants to be a hemmoroid on the anus of the Body of Christ, let him have at it. Who cares. Let him not be remembered.
When Seminary students know +
When 2 Popes are informed
then one can say “The Church”
knew McCarrick was guilty.
I wish we knew how to check if a catholic priest is a predator that was sent overseas to escape justice, one from Nigeria
there’s an international support group called SNAP: Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, they keep records
Who didn't vilify Kinsey for decades? Decades later Who vilified Kinsey? 😮
The problem is the lavender mafia in the church and in the seminaries.
It's just funny dat Christians r here trying 2 act like ds is a form of new scandal rocking d Catholic Church wen ds has been its history. I'm glad we r in a time now wen such tins r exposed intelligently without any harm coming 2 d victims anymore
You guys have me in tears. Thank you so much. For men to speak out on all of this... I just thank you.
God is working. ❤
These stories make me so indignant...I will never leave Christ or His Church but these men are of the Devil and should burn. Bishops arent strong enough to defend the faith what makes us think they will defend children. If you compromise the faith youll compromise anything, even sexual abuse.
Power corrupts everyone, including saints.
You protestants are perfect? PROVE IT!!!
As a clergy person, I appreciate the insightful and realistic perspectives of the insiders interviewed for this excellent documentary.
Me thinkest the lady doth protest too much
Yesterday the pope was accused on Twitter by Vigano that he "used to operate like McCarrick" used to with seminarians. This is supposed to have been told to Vigano by a former seminarian about what pope francis was like when the seminarian was a novice. No other details were mentioned.
It sounds like it would have had to have been at a Jesuit Seminary. I'm just guessing.
I was a NJ seminarian who met McCarrick in 1978 when he was an Auxiliary Bishop in NY. I was with a friend in a religious order. My friend said I'd be okay. He said McCarrick 'loved seminarians' but we were safe because we were not studying for New York Archdiocese. This was in 1978. This all was a looming disaster and I chose to be Protestant.
I am still amazed at how naive people are. No one has cornered the market on temptation and Evil. Any group, especially a corporate one, will leverage its power to protect itself, manufacturing an ideology to support its ideas and actions. Call it social pathology or original sin. Perhaps if we were willing to recognize this reality, we could waylay some of the damage. Wouldn't that be better than living within an orbit of opposition, in constant rotation around people from whom we have pledged to escape?
JohnPaul II is being misrepresented concerning his teaching on sexuality and clerical celibacy. Nowhere does he suggest that clerical celibacy leads to a higher form of sexual satisfaction. Chastity is a sublimation of sexuality for a greater good and it is required of everyone not just priests. It is the only healthy and normal use of human sexuality diametrically opposed to selfish use of our sexuality. Married couples understand this too because chastity is also part of married life where sex is sublimated for raising a family. Chastity is the only form of sexuality that is worthy of human dignity. Any other use of sexuality leads to abuse and degradation of human beings including rape and abortions.
This is a horrific story. Partly because it affected so many children and destroy so many lives and partly because it’s an international story not just Boston or the US but everywhere the Roman Catholic Church exists.