I was impressed by the contribution from the ex-seminarian (James Egan). Anyone who is interested can hear him again in episode 184 of 'The Angry Catholic', in which he talks about the work he does for survivors of clerical abuse in the Archangel Foundation.
I am a woman doctor who has cared for victims, families and even predators. The problem happens in Protestant churches and cults too. These speakers present very real insights and I thank them for it. The attack on the victim is not just physical, it is combined with ongoing psychological abuse of the victim and often their families too, and in this case of seminarians and priests, all of whom are recruited or cajoled into silencing the victim. This exercise of power is part of the excitement for the predator. Predators cooperate with others to find their victims, sometimes they get someone to act as procurer,lookout, and someone to lie and cover up for them. Churches and religious orders have international paedophile rings operating within them. None of this is being addressed.
I am a former Catholic Priest. I remember in my first assignment, I was on fire. The fact that many of the people were from Ascoli Piceno in the Marche region of Italy, fired me up even more. In the rectory, there lived a priest who just lived there. When I inquired about this I was told not to worry about it. I soon learned that this guy was stationed at a neighboring parish, at that parish apparently, he was moved quickly. Nothing was said regarding that sudden move, eventually I learned that the move was perpetuated because he sexually abused a boy. My pastor told me not to worry about this, but it affected me adversely where I couldn't even sit at the table and eat with him.
Did you ever think to call the police? Catholics (and I am one) seem to have a problem with reporting abuse to the police when they have reasonable suspicions, There is no excuse for this neglect Claiming that you don't have proof is dishonest. It's not your job or place to gather proof. That is the function of the police and Child Protection workers and not the laity or the bishops or the pope. Many Catholics are guilty of this abuse because they did nothing about it when it was just that simple. The Catholic Church has no business investigating allegations or being the go between for parishioners and the police. The Church needs to butt out and only intervene when ordered to do so.
I highly recommend a book "Near to God Far from Rome" by Richard Bennett. It's a testimony of 50 ex-Catholic priests. Namely, how they came to trusting the true gospel after the Lord got a hold of them through His word. These testimonies span a number of decades and it's so encouraging. I wept through many of the stories. I am an ex-Catholic who turned to New Age for 20 years. Then, after a friend put a King James Bible in front of me, I was immediately convicted (and angry!) After months of wrestling with God and the scriptures, I surrendered, repented, and believed on the gospel that saves (1 Cor 15:1-4.) God gave me a new heart instantly and I know that I will forever be His. This happened 9 years ago and I'm still wanting to share this with anyone who will listen. I pray you are seeking God in prayer, surrender, and by His word.
Believe it or not, he was merely the symptom. The problem was bigger than him. The problem was and remains The Roman Catholic Church. It has not changed. It 'remains the same. The Church merely masks the symptom. It's not sorry for its sin. It's sorry it got caught and teaches its laity to deflect guilt and shame by pointing to other religions and institutions "Oh, they all do it" is their defense. Your revulsion at the dinner table was not caused by him as much as by the organization protecting him from his consequences and accountable for enabling his bad behavior. The Catholic Church may as well beatify him on his way to sainthood. They don't care. They see the Church as his victim and not the children he and they hurt.
The Catholic Church is pretty creepy by promoting the Heliocentric model. Why would they promote something that tricks people into believing they are a speck of dust on a spinning water ball in the black void of outer space? It's a huge problem. They are promoting a false cosmology which leads to solipsistic behavior like we see in this video.
I have been a devout Roman Catholic since 1961, but I renounced my Roman Catholic faith in 2022 for two chief reasons: one, the Roman Catholic faith is not aligned with the Bible; and two, I was spiritually liberated by the book I read entitled "Altar of Secrets: Sex, Politics, and Money in the Philippine Catholic Church" by Aries C. Rufo. I am now a born again Christian . . . much better!
Sorry what happened sir. All have sin and come short the Glory of God (Romans 3:23) If you run to protestants, they are sinners too. When apostles sin, did Jesus say "Go start a new reformation and/or church? NO! He told them to REPENT! Jesus: “Repent, hear the churches.” (Revelation 2:5-7, 15-17) (Matthew 18:17) They are still his Apostles! Please understand, God uses sinful men to Lead his ONE TRUE church built on Peter, also he uses sinful men to write the Bible! Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world. (110 A.D.) St. Ignatius: “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “The one true Church, the catholic Church.” (A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 14) (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5) “Chair of the Roman Church Peter sat.” (Letters of Petilian Book 2 Chapter 51) “The succession of priest… chair of Peter.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Angel to declare episcopal succession… of Peter.” 38 Roman Popes listed. (Letter 53 Chapter 1 #1 & #2) (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “The primacy of St. Peter among the twelve apostles with the church of Rome.” (Britannica, Roman Catholicism) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5) (376 A.D.) St. Jerome: “State of Roman the chair of Peter... the rock on which the church is built! Matthew 16:18 This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish.” (Letter 15:2) (253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Throne of Peter, the chief church, the Romans.” (Epistle 54:14) “The Lord speaks to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church… Not gather with me, scatters.” (De catholicae ecclesiae unitate, Chapters 4 & 6) (Mathew 12:30) “There is no salvation outside the Church… (Epistles 72:21 & 75:2) the Ark of Noah.” (74:15) (1 Peter 3:20-21) (431 A.D.) Council of Ephesus, Pope Celestine (Roman Catholic) excommunicates Heretic Nestorian for not accepting Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God)! “To Celestine, the guardian of the Faith!... the bishop of Rome.” Philip (Roman Priest) says to 180 Eastern Orthodox bishops: “Peter, head of the Apostles, foundation of the Catholic Church, received from our Lord Jesus Christ, the keys of the Kingdom, and the power of binding and loosing sins, for ever lives and judges his successors, our holy Pope Celestine. . . Cyril said that the synod had understood them clearly… the whole world has therefore agreed.” (451 A.D.) Council of Chalcedon: “Elder Rome foundation of the Catholic Church and orthodox faith.” (Session 3) (2007 A.D.) (13 October) (Ravenna Document): “Bishop of Rome as protos.” (First) (Apostolic see - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia) (253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms, whereby he might corrupt the truth.” (De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4) (434 A.D.) St. Vincent of Lérins (Commonitorium) (Chapter 25): “Heretics appeal to Scripture that they may succeed in deceiving… they do with a vengeance.” (verse 64) false teachers cite passages… misinterpreted, introduce error, pretending the authority of Holy Scripture.” (verse 67)
“Heretics, in quoting Scripture, follow the example of the Devil… against the Catholic Faith, the Devil speaks through their mouths.” (Chapter 26 verse 68) “Truth in Scriptures? Interpret with Catholic doctrine… universality, antiquity, consent… we shall detect heretics.” (Chapter 27 verse 70) St. Isidore: “These are heresies in opposition to the catholic faith, have been condemned by the apostles and Holy Fathers, or the Councils. Although they disagree with each other, conspire with a common name against the Church of God.” (560-636 A.D.) (Book 8, Ch. 5: Christian heresies, §§1, 69, 70)
Oh my heart breaks. As a survivor myself. I thank you for you bravery. What the concept of a priest being ontologically changed in Christ does to many of us who were victims is horrific!
What sane, caring parent would send off their young children with a lone priest for a week in the country? Or any lone adult, for that matter. This is inconceivable to me.
Maybe but many single aunts and uncles do this. If the priest is a very close family friend, they wouldn’t have thought about it. It was very different years ago. You can’t look at at it, the way we do now.
@@LmrWI .... you are correct. Just How many people didn't know what a same sex attraction person was...l was one of them! People, families never ever spoke of such matters: why would they.
I am Catholic, and I know a lot of excelent and kind priests!! They help me a lot in several painful moments, with kindness and respect. I owe them a lot, and I am grateful!😃
And how many of them turned their faces away and ignored the problem? I know the answer from the inside, most priests and religious and nearly every Bishop upwards.
This is a very powerful and beautiful documentary, though it's very hard to listen to sometimes. And I think it's 100% correct in its analysis: Nothing is going to change as long as the church is an autocracy controlled by male bachelors. And since I don't think the Magisterium is ever going to give up even an iota of their current power and privilege, I think the institutional church is going to die. If Catholicism survives, it's going to survive as independent laity-controlled congregations in which women share power equally with men and any instances of sexual abuse are immediately reported to the police.
RCC made Celibacy a Law for Clerics in 1123 AD. I’m assuming such applied to Nuns too. I agree that the chance of giving up magisterium power is slim. The Great Falling Away is on display.
This is a really helpful and powerful documentary. Sad and tragic stories of the abuse of power-and yet, thankfully, these men also offer hope of a better way.
This was an excellent video. As a former cleric This video has helped me understand many of the things that I have not understood since I left the ministry. Thank you for your good work.
This is what's difficult & complicated about the catholic church, it's either the sexual scandal, corruption or the bullying, & this happens not just among Priests, Religious & seminarians but it also happens among the laity who serves within the church.
All have sin and come short the Glory of God (Romans 3:23) If you run to protestants, they are sinners too. When apostles sin, did Jesus say "Go start a new reformation and/or church? NO! He told them to REPENT! Jesus: “Repent, hear the churches.” (Revelation 2:5-7, 15-17) (Matthew 18:17) They are still his Apostles! Please understand, God uses sinful men to Lead his ONE TRUE church built on Peter, also he uses sinful men to write the Bible! Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world. (110 A.D.) St. Ignatius: “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “The one true Church, the catholic Church.” (A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 14) (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5) “Chair of the Roman Church Peter sat.” (Letters of Petilian Book 2 Chapter 51) “The succession of priest… chair of Peter.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Angel to declare episcopal succession… of Peter.” 38 Roman Popes listed. (Letter 53 Chapter 1 #1 & #2) (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “The primacy of St. Peter among the twelve apostles with the church of Rome.” (Britannica, Roman Catholicism) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4) “Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5) (376 A.D.) St. Jerome: “State of Roman the chair of Peter... the rock on which the church is built! Matthew 16:18 This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish.” (Letter 15:2) (253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Throne of Peter, the chief church, the Romans.” (Epistle 54:14) “The Lord speaks to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church… Not gather with me, scatters.” (De catholicae ecclesiae unitate, Chapters 4 & 6) (Mathew 12:30) “There is no salvation outside the Church… (Epistles 72:21 & 75:2) the Ark of Noah.” (74:15) (1 Peter 3:20-21) (431 A.D.) Council of Ephesus, Pope Celestine (Roman Catholic) excommunicates Heretic Nestorian for not accepting Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God)! “To Celestine, the guardian of the Faith!... the bishop of Rome.” Philip (Roman Priest) says to 180 Eastern Orthodox bishops: “Peter, head of the Apostles, foundation of the Catholic Church, received from our Lord Jesus Christ, the keys of the Kingdom, and the power of binding and loosing sins, for ever lives and judges his successors, our holy Pope Celestine. . . Cyril said that the synod had understood them clearly… the whole world has therefore agreed.” (451 A.D.) Council of Chalcedon: “Elder Rome foundation of the Catholic Church and orthodox faith.” (Session 3) (2007 A.D.) (13 October) (Ravenna Document): “Bishop of Rome as protos.” (First) (Apostolic see - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia) (253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms, whereby he might corrupt the truth.” (De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4) (434 A.D.) St. Vincent of Lérins (Commonitorium) (Chapter 25): “Heretics appeal to Scripture that they may succeed in deceiving… they do with a vengeance.” (verse 64) false teachers cite passages… misinterpreted, introduce error, pretending the authority of Holy Scripture.” (verse 67)
“Heretics, in quoting Scripture, follow the example of the Devil… against the Catholic Faith, the Devil speaks through their mouths.” (Chapter 26 verse 68) “Truth in Scriptures? Interpret with Catholic doctrine… universality, antiquity, consent… we shall detect heretics.” (Chapter 27 verse 70) St. Isidore: “These are heresies in opposition to the catholic faith, have been condemned by the apostles and Holy Fathers, or the Councils. Although they disagree with each other, conspire with a common name against the Church of God.” (560-636 A.D.) (Book 8, Ch. 5: Christian heresies, §§1, 69, 70)
This was very well done. It was clear, thoughtful and honest. The condemnation was placed exactly where it needs to be - on the heads of those that perpetrated these crimes and those that protect them. I am a practicing Catholic who loves Christ and His Church, but I do not want to turn a blind eye to evil within our own institution because of the fear of how this may be perceived. Thank you for the kind and respectful way you presented this very difficult material. And thank you to the brave men that came forward to share their story. I do not want to cede our beautiful church to these criminals but also know that the church is set up to heal poor sinners such as these. They just shouldn’t be running it!
Nate did indeed take His life after the Norbertine monsters cut off the hush money they were paying Him that He was using for therapy that kept Him going.
The abused are like Jesus who are left behind with thorns in their heads. I send my love and blessings to all who stand up and work towards a better spirit for us all. Because I am furious.
What a eye opening Report about McCarrick’s aversion to scent of cigarettes. It is TRAGIC that he victimized seminary students + that so many others knew about ongoing sexual abuse + Archbishop Vigano reported to 2 Popes (Benedict & Francis) about McCarrick + he wasn’t “defrocked” for YEARS. I understand that McCarrick was once an excellent moneymaker. He was (recently) declared incompetent to stand trial.
Amazing vid thanks. All my family my in laws my wife were influenced greatly by the Roman church. I thankfully went a different route. I lived In London next to the most important abbey in London Ealing abbey. The past Abbott has recently been sent to prison for 17 years he jumped bail and was on the run for years he was helped on the run by Rome and was tracked down to Albania and had to be extradited back to the UK. A whole succession of priests from the abbey have been sent to prison. This stuff is still going on. I was raped by a teacher repeatedly as a boy . My life fell apart . I had him arrested 40 years later he had just retired as the headmaster of a Roman Catholic primary school and was just about to become a deacon of his local church. The police did not prosecute him
This is so devastating. I am so sorry that you had to go through this. I was brought up in the Roman Catholic Church and thank God the Holy Spirit led me out of the Roman Catholic system, and I became a born-again Christian. I started reading the Bible and I now realize that this is the harlot which is described in revelation 13. It’s so very sad. they have led countless souls to very dark places… May God be with you and your family
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hello thanks for your good wishes . I too was a born again Christian for about 20 years I am not a Christian now . The harlot of revelation was obviously non believing Jerusalem . Please see my other comment below
@@ricdavid7476 hey there, Ric… so I just want to know this very amazing thing. If you truly as you say, were a Christian born again, the Father will never let you out of his hands. You can choose to turn away, reject and leave, but the father will never leave you, nor forsake you. Because this is a work of God that sustains us-not of ourselves. So now, just like the prodigal son you may be far away from him but he has never left you. This is so mind blowing. I thought about That this morning as I was waking up. The prodigal son. He loves his children that much. It’s amazing how the Bible always shows us that it’s always about him being faithful when we’re not faithful. So yes, you may have left Christianity, but if you are born again of the spirit, He will never leave you. You are now a son and an heir no matter what you do in this lifetime. Truly, showing that God, when we make a confession about who he is, we are sealed with the holy spirit of promise until the day of redemption. Again, mind blowing. No other religion in the world will ever bring man to this knowledge because this is not the knowledge of man, but of God. I share this because I truly feel a supernatural peace, even when The world around us is falling apart. This is how I know the one true God, because of the peace that I feel that surpasses my own human understanding. I want everybody to understand this truth, and understand they can have the same because or that I am faithful, but because he is faithful. God Bless!
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hey man thanks for your comment I know you mean well. What you said is really the fatal flaw in your theology . I have no doubt I was sincere when I confessed with my mouth jesus and believed in my heart that God has raised him from the dead. However in your theology I can now murder and rape at will confident that I will go to heaven. You really need to look at my comment I made down below . It is the truth and the truth will set you free
Celibacy is a sacrifice made by a man or woman that is called to religious life, the person gives up the opportunity of having a family for God. A homosexual makes no such sacrifice. Perhaps it's a way for the Catholic family homosexual to save face and say he has a calling to the priesthood which is wrong. Now it is as if you must be a homosexual to become a priest.
You have this right. These monsters were not “manufactured” in the Church, they were deviants before they entered the seminary and they never planned on living out a virtuous life of chastity. They didn’t enter seminary because they loved Christ and His Church above all and wanted to offer their lives in service to it. Far from it. I have been told this by priests who saw men in seminary who never should have been there. There is much blame that can be directed to how the church handled cases of abuse and failed to protect the innocent. Protecting the innocent from evil and bringing healing to the wounded is at the heart of the Church’s mission. To fail to identify the cancer within and to cut it out - is a colossal failure and human tragedy. My heart grieves for these innocent victims. But to fix issues, the issues have to be properly understood. And understanding who these monsters are is critical - so we can prevent more like them from ever entering seminaries in the first place. I believe the Church does better now at psychological screening, but like with any human institution, it will not always succeed. And where deviants are themselves in positions of power within the Church? - God help us. We need brave and holy Church leaders who demand we have a HOLY priesthood that is sworn to uphold and live out ALL the teachings of the Catholic Church. And when abuse is discovered, there needs to be justice… so healing can begin.
Celibacy wasn't a requirement in the first centuries of the church, what it was closer to the time o jesus.. so tell me again why is it so amazing? And isn't a requirement in some christian denominations. The real reason it became policy was to protect the church property. Since the local clerics would receive and manage materials and lands of the church which could them be inherited or give to their sons, thus dilapidating the church. It's all about money.
@@vascoa It still isn't required in the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church. The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims. The Catholic Church has already given it's reasons for celibacy, Just do a simple Google search on why Priest are Celibate and many good reasons are given for why. Sexual abuse is a disgusting filth that should be met with the harshest of punishments wherever it's found.
"...a way for offender priests to have vulnerable seminarians open up about their sexuality and it gets them to talk about about their sexual preferences and......" on it goes. So he then tells us how these offender priests, a great way for them to 'scope out territory...' and they know this person (seminarian) is struggling, they might be conflicted about homosexuality and so on. If you're the offender priest you now know you can 'target' them, they're vulnerable, open to exploitation. They've opened up; you know their secret.
Where John Paul II differed was that the ontological change he experienced in his own pious life, was one he specifically sought in his sufferings and priesthood. The wild, Hugh Hefnerian-inspired "liberated" untamed sexual perversity in American and Western societies was something John Paul II, coming from Poland, never imagined. Pre-WW II Polish society was a different world from 1960s-2000 America.
The counsel of Balaam is in the Torah and mentioned in the Apocalypse of Jesus Christ. He tried to curse Israel coming out of Egypt, but blessed them 7 times. Told the king who hired him, If you want to curse them, send your women in among them, and get them to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Get them to sin. They will bring the curse upon themselves. Porn and immorality have always been a problem. Ever heard of the Comstock Act? Anthony Comstock must have read the Bible.
BLAME untamed sexual perversity in America & Western societies ? EXCUSE one of your highest ranking Cleric for the sexual perversity INSIDE of the RCC. Pfft. How Convenient.
I hope you all know that you are bringing healing to many just by speaking on this. Does anyone have recommendations for victim outreach? I need spiritual healing and guidance that I can trust. I'm so ready to serve God, I'm so ready to heal and move on. I want my light back, I can't keep living like this. I can't keep living in fear. People really need to understand that there never was an actual separation between church and state. All intertwined. I wish that governmental agencies would get the same amount of scrutiny the Catholic church gets. It is NOT just the Catholic church, it is in EVERY sect of religion. I dont hate the church, I WANT to serve God. I love Jesus. I need my light back but I've been fucked with my entire life and I'm scared to trust anyone. I'm actually convinced that I've been cursed since literal birth. My mother told me she was told to never return to the Catholic church because she was 16 and unwed and pregnant. I'm convinced we were put on some sort of list.... I know it sounds crazy, it FEELS crazy! I just dont see how this many bad things can happen to one person. It literally feels like there is this push to get me to k*ll myself. 😢 I've even had people with credentials tell me that im NOT crazy that what I'm saying actually does happen and it really isn't that far fetched. I try to find peace in that. God is the only reason I'm alive, I truly believe that! I should be dead, several times over. I have a life story, most probably wouldn't believe. 😢 God has to be THE only explanation of me being alive.
20:04 I used to be one of those devout Catholics until a few years ago and although I knew of the abuses I rationalized or downplayed them away during those years as I really believed the apologetics on this one, I was raised by parents who also really liked JPII growing up but I became a Traditionalist type of Catholic during high school and college (as the Latin Mass seemed to be making a come back in many dioceses until the pope put a stop to it nearly two years ago) and my fellow Trad friends usually either blamed Vatican II itself or the chaos that came after it for the abuses when they weren't blaming the LGBT+ community instead (mainly the gay priests) so I guess that's the way I dealt with the situation until the very last day I called myself a Catholic. Because of that the crisis pretty much played no role in my deconversion and it's been several years now since I left the but now I'm starting to see I may have been lied to in more ways than I thought and for a good chunk of my life I thought God wanted me to be a priest (and I idealized the priesthood as a result), however I never made it to seminary and I'm grateful for that. Still trying to recover from the +10 years of repression and guilt I got as a hormonal teenager through Purity Culture/Theology of the Body type of theology I got but I was told the moment I looked at a woman a certain way and gave in to "impure thoughts" that would be a mortal sin and would go to hell unless I went to confessional (and confess I did very often, like every two weeks at one point), now I see why so many have left over the scandal and it's mostly because of the hypocrisy and the audacity of these priests and bishops to dictate what our sex lives should be like while all of this was going on. Yet another reason why at this point I want nothing to do with the institution I used to be so loyal to and made the center of my life for too long, I'm not exactly optimistic that true reform will come anytime soon and this will keep happening.
You may want to consider that it was through the help of Vatican II, this internal problem was dragged into the light. The misguided orthodoxy plaguing the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II was a contributing factor in blinding Catholics and non-Catholics to this unfortunate reality. Back in those days, people tended to deify clergy and other clerics in the Church. In a sense, they could do no wrong. The Church's demonizing of human sexuality added fuel to the fire. These excessive practices may have served as shields and food attracting power hungry and control seeking people. In a sense, Vatican II forced the Catholic Church out of its closet and thereby exposing its ugly "secrets" for all to see. When a dysfunctional body is exposed for its corruption, the view is not pretty. That, I believe is where the Church now stands. People, especially some Catholics, view that exposure as "attacking the faith" . So they fight back by blaming the pope, attacking Church reform, and rejecting more meaningful liturgy as causing the Church harm. Consequently, they see the solutions as turning the clock back to the days of Latin Masses, ovelrritualization and supernatural beliefs such as apparations of the saints, the Shroud of Turin, and the blood of Christ flowing from a communion wafer. Some see all of this as a sign of hopelessness for theChurch, but it may be an indicator of the need for continued reform and not regression. Don't jump off the ship just yet.
I also was a Catholic and left the church. It would seem that the only cure for this child rapist problem among the priest is to completely shut down the church so these predators would no longer have easy access to the children. And the only way this organization of crime will be shut down is if every Catholic walks away and stops supporting it on every level. What is the right thing to do? Support a criminal entity or protect the children? It's obvious that the Vatican will never serve any kind of justice and will continue to promote child rapists by continuing to hide them and/or move them from place to place. Their deceptive protocol plan has been reveal even within their own records which have been subpoenaed for court. The Catholic Church has too much power around the globe thanks to their Jesuits who invade countries through government. The Catholic Church is nothing short of organized crime on many levels. It's too bad that most Catholics cannot bring themselves to read and research the true history of the church. The Catholic Church is nothing more than Lucifer's church.
As a Catholic Christian, I understand that there’s some people that used to be Catholic but decided to leave the faith because of the sexual abuses committed by catholic priests and I understand that they’re extremely angry and livid about the local archbishops and Bishops who aren’t taking control of the situation and they’re probably not happy with the current Holy Father, Pope Francis. So yes, I understand how they feel. But there’s no way that I’m going to leave my Catholic faith.
I grew up in Boston and I'm also a cradle Catholic who's never been abused but I was certainly in situations where it could have easily happened but it didn't for whatever reason but I too won't leave my Catholic faith and throw the baby out with the bath water because of some very evil acts by a small percentage of Priests. I'd rather help throw them out first and completely purge our Church than leave the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
@samuel alíren Faith or leaving the church is not the issue here. Worrying about the lost of faith is what keeps these priests in power. first come the victims and their justice. Only then and, completely up to them, is faith to be thought about.. Wouldn't worry about damnation anyway, they already went through it. And some kept their faith regardless.
IF ALL CATHOLICS ABANDON THE STRUGGLE BECAUSE OF SINFUL PRIESTS, WHO WILL BE LEFT IN THE CHURCH TO PERSEVERE IN THE FAITH? WHO WILL BE LEFT TO BE FAITHFUL TO CHRIST? ONLY "THOSE WHO PERSEVERE TO THE END WILL BE SAVED." [MARK 13: 13].
Why didn't these coward Catholics who left the Catholic Church; if they were so indignant why didn't they take action and done something about the victims of the sexual abuse: Instead of deserting these victim children.... what horrible people, self centred and selfish humans...
I was a NJ seminarian who met McCarrick in 1978 when he was an Auxiliary Bishop in NY. I was with a friend in a religious order. My friend said I'd be okay. He said McCarrick 'loved seminarians' but we were safe because we were not studying for New York Archdiocese. This was in 1978. This all was a looming disaster and I chose to be Protestant.
There is no way you can truly believe in God and do these things. Especially calling yourself a man of God. It seems to be getting darker . May God bless us all.
Edward Lots of people these days who call themselves Catholic, are not really Catholic at all. They lack Catholic Faith and Piety. They think they can commit sins, even sins which are civil crimes, with impunity. Their mind and conscience, and their life, is compartmentalized.
Yes of course... as long as they repent they should have entry into heaven... doesn't matter if they are pedos or mass murderers. That's the morality of Christianity.
God is not going to bless all. It’s not compartmentalization, it’s a seared conscience aka a reprobate mind. With Repentance (Godly sorrow, not worldly regret) GOD may forgive sins. Sexual Sins are be committed elsewhere and not only by RC clerics, but no other institution claims to be holding back hell.
This is a horrific story. Partly because it affected so many children and destroy so many lives and partly because it’s an international story not just Boston or the US but everywhere the Roman Catholic Church exists.
"I really gave the best years of my life to the Church and the Church meant everything to me and my family. And... when I needed my Church... they weren't there.. " "...if threat comes from the inside, you're gonna isolate that threat. If it comes from the outside, you circle the wagons..."
James Egan's photo at the beginning of his interview resembles the late Jeffrey Dahmer. I also noticed that Thomas Doyle has somewhat of an uncanny resemblance to the late overnight radio talkshow host Art Bell. ☝️🙄
Pope Francis said, “Clericalism is when the priests and other clergy in the church start to think they are more important and powerful than everyone else. Displeased, he said it was like a disease, like a leprosy that is really hurting the church. He told church leaders, especially those working in the Vatican to get rid of the bad habits and temptations like feeling indispensable, wanting to be rich, living a double life, and even forgetting about God.” The pyramid of hierarchical authority, and the ordination of gay men is but the mighty beast of power that has taken over in the church that Jesus Christ established. God will cleanse His temple as He did when He went up to Jerusalem and told them to stop abusing and misusing ”My Father’s house.” There are so many non free thinking clericalised lay people in the catholic church now, that it has become harder to demand changes to bring back e.g. the altar rails that were ripped out of our churches removing this reverence and more efficient way of receiving God on our tongues, and to put Christ back where He belongs in our churches so that we may once again have access to visit Him in unlocked churches. God protect us and Your church...
Took me years to leave the Catholic Church ! I used to feel conflicted about giving money or not. didn't want to contribute to paying for all these cover up. I finally read the Bible for myself and it became very clear that this church had NOTHING to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ !!!
What a ridiculous concept... Allow priests to marry... All men want sex... Better to marry, St. Paul said. Maybe it's more about the Church attracting narcissists and psychopaths... Good people do good things! As the historical churches of all faiths have always done... Hospitals, Social Services... 🤗 Kindness, Love 💕 etc. etc...
Though sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is shocking, it is really no different from what you can find in any organization with a hierarchy - religious, educational, youth-centered. The problem isn’t the Church or "manufacturing." It’s… human beings.
It’s the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that instigates and perpetuates the coverups. And the Catholic communities who refuse to believe that abuse is rife in the Catholic Church.
Yes for sure the priests who abuse are responsible for the harm. But the hierarchy of the church (bishops for example) allowed it to happen. They covered it up. So did every level of authority all the way up to the Pope. In terms coined by psychologist Phil Zimbardo - bad apples, bad barrel, bad barrel maker.
All high-ranking RC clerics were once priests. Who actually still believes that most priests (can) stay celibate ? Clerics confess to other clerics. CAN’T break seal of Confession CAN’T stay Celibate. What a CATCH 22 !! Covering Up sexual sins is built right into the RCC system. RCC is the one true church ?
This is good as far as it goes. What is missing is what my experience has informed me as the fundamental problem: the refusal to accept the truth about homosexuality which corrupts the seminary formation process. That process is thoroughly dysfunctional. It is deformation by defamation.
Hope for more brave, humble and truthful documentary like this. That shows that even priests need regeneration by the Holy Spirit. And turn into a real ontological change through faith in Christ alone. Religious discipline is not enough Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. May everyone in RC turn to Jesus Christ for 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. I look at these verses as it is. I may seem superstitious on this but I believe on God who creates something out of nothing with God all things are possible. Amen
When I was in the seminary, I constantly heard the bull shit regarding ontological change. They always stressed this ontological change with ordination.
Creating a religious system within which clergy aren't allowed to marry, creates an unnatural environment. The "sacred feminine" /holy grail of manhood regards orgasm as the ultimate physical experience. That constitutes "god" for many through the ages. If you find yourself in a religious system in which you gain knowledge of deity, it remains soul-dimension-bound. Until you meet the Creator of the universe in person, you just remain religious- gaining knowledge, emotional experiences- in your own unique manner as a person:that constitutes your soul. Only the bride of Christ has a spirit dimension which has truly come alive. Only they can hear God's voice and see Him manifest to them in many ways. That is the ultimate human "experience". Knowledge of the bible, doing good deeds an trying to be a good person doesn't make you part of the bride. Untill then, you'll be mislead by the religious spirit-which is a demonic entity.
The Devil & Demons have their best successes INSIDE the Religious Arena. Successful DECEPTION is Why people continue to remain loyal to RCC Clerics + RCC Dogma. Savior JESUS Warned About The Deceiver & human deceivers- False Prophets Selfish Shepherds
JohnPaul II is being misrepresented concerning his teaching on sexuality and clerical celibacy. Nowhere does he suggest that clerical celibacy leads to a higher form of sexual satisfaction. Chastity is a sublimation of sexuality for a greater good and it is required of everyone not just priests. It is the only healthy and normal use of human sexuality diametrically opposed to selfish use of our sexuality. Married couples understand this too because chastity is also part of married life where sex is sublimated for raising a family. Chastity is the only form of sexuality that is worthy of human dignity. Any other use of sexuality leads to abuse and degradation of human beings including rape and abortions.
Yesterday the pope was accused on Twitter by Vigano that he "used to operate like McCarrick" used to with seminarians. This is supposed to have been told to Vigano by a former seminarian about what pope francis was like when the seminarian was a novice. No other details were mentioned. It sounds like it would have had to have been at a Jesuit Seminary. I'm just guessing.
I was not sexually abused. I was a Catholic orphan STOLEN from my mother by John Cardinal O'Connor who was paid by my father and then she was put through "electro shock treatments, three times, for the sole purpose of surrender". God does not 'let this happen'. People have free will. My life was a living HELL. However, I had a deep and very mystical relationship with St. Elizabeth Ann Seton and there were excellent priests, bishops and nuns who did help ME get through and endure the suffering AND support and guide me in fighting the demons in the Church. And, at the end of the day, IF you are Catholic .... you know there's a heaven and a hell.
Idiots will say freewill... freewill from the abuser obviously.. Which means they are of the position that god is unwilling to stop the abuser making him an evil god, or probably unable to which makes it not much of a god. Basically an non intervening god isn't much of a god at all. 😑 If they were good christians they could offer themselves as sacrificial lambs to the abusers in the hope of saving unwilling victims.. Or simply demand of the church they stop the abusers, instead of ignoring or defending the organization.
Yes, Jesus said it would be better a man have a millstone tied around his neck and cast into the sea, than cause one of these little ones to fall. The Lake of Fire...
At 33 minutes, I dont 'get' this. Suddenly we've ex-offender priests talking to seminarians. All because of the Polish pope's emphasis on celibacy and a state of being chaste...... this leads to... read on.....
Who determined/decided which accused RC clerics were “credibly accused” ? How many of the credibly accused were excommunicated ? “Defrocked” Cardinal McCarrick + Retired Archbishop Vigano should be of great interest to all, especially all Roman Catholics.
Not surprising to hear of the “wicked to the core” status of the RCC. As the Lord Jesus had said when he walked this earth “you (referring to the hypocritical religious power at the time) travel over land and sea to make a single convert, and when you do, you make him twice a son of hell as you are.” The good news, however, is that victims can find true deliverance and healing through faith and repentance. Come to me, you who are heavy laden, take my yoke on you and learn from me. For my yoke is easy and my burden, light-the words of our ONE and ONLY mediator-Jesus the Christ.
This is all rather bizarre. Would a diocese allow a predator in to talk to and instruct seminarians? So where does this occur? Surely seminarians are not that naive that they'd suddenly talk to someone ("I'm an ex-offender") and reveal all to them? Do they? If they confessed to them, isnt the Seal being broken?
Not from the point of view from how much they brought it all upon themselves. Many would say. Often it was the 'good ones', the ordinary footsoldiers who never did anything, I'd feel sad for them. It was known manys the bishop offered little to no support. Maybe those bishops thought it would all simply 'go away'.
Life Long CELIBACY is not natural. It is not GOD’s design, plan or commandment. RCC made Celibacy their LAW. SEE the Consequences of changing instead of obeying GOD ?
I am still amazed at how naive people are. No one has cornered the market on temptation and Evil. Any group, especially a corporate one, will leverage its power to protect itself, manufacturing an ideology to support its ideas and actions. Call it social pathology or original sin. Perhaps if we were willing to recognize this reality, we could waylay some of the damage. Wouldn't that be better than living within an orbit of opposition, in constant rotation around people from whom we have pledged to escape?
sadly they are very negative about the church, I was sexually assaulted as a religious shortly after my first profession. I survived and left after six years solely because of a lack of community prayer. I have been ordained as an Old Roman Catholic priest and I believe the church is still holy and sinful. In my M. Div. I did a paper in Ecclesiology on the question of how the church is both holy and sinful and received a B+. The Church has sinful people both clergy and lay. Yet in society, it's the same they individuals especially James Egan I feel sorry for. Possibly they have lost their faith. I survived my assault and live in faith.
Hypocrisy + Abuse + Betrayal are real reasons for why people lose/lost faith in the RCC. FAITH in GOD + Obedience to GOD trumps faith in a religious system.
The "victims" in this video, though they may have claims of being steeped in the Catholic culture. All display a fundamental misunderstanding of Church doctrine. In that the Church is not a building or institution, but a body of people. To continue to use the language of the entire Church being complicit in child abuse, would imply that the victims themselves and their own families contributed to these abuses. Rather, it is more logical to segregate the abusers in these instances as not part of the Church, but infiltrator's of the Church. This would also point out, that no institution is free of the worst .1% of the population. And if you have a legitimate gripe with child abuse, your efforts would be better spent fighting at your local public schools as the rates of abuse in government institutions is 3x higher then the Church.
I'm deeply saddened by what has happened in the Church Christ established. On a cynical level, I must wonder though if this video dropped as we are preparing for the Synod of Bishops as a way to pressure Pope Francis into dropping the celibacy requirement. Painful as these experiences are, this video fails to provide the concrete steps that the Pope should take. This very week the Pope made "Vos Estis" definitive which holds bishops and religious superiors accountable for the abuse that they commit or cover up and extended the law to now include lay leaders who head international associations recognized by the Vatican. Let's talk about what more needs to be done. That's where the discussion must be now.
Marriage would NOT help the priesthood as the sexual perverts would be no more faithful to their wives as they are to the Church. Most sexual crimes committed by clergy are committed by homosexual men against male children and adolescents. These are sick people who should never be married.
How to you logistically reason that disallowing the priestly vow of celibacy will solve any single thing. Predators are predisposed to be as such. “Consulting Adult” homosexuals are still breaking the law of both the Church and the Scriptures.
This is the first I’ve heard of this decision by Pope Francis, “Vos Estis.” I’ll look into it. 👍 About 8-9 years ago my pastor asked me to take part in an Archdiocese-wide meeting/conference of laypeople to make suggestions to our archbishop for dealing with the sex scandals that had surfaced recently. I made the suggestion that there be a group of laypeople outside of bishops’ control, that the bishops are accountable to about dealing with sexual abuses in the church. My Archdiocese had sexual predators in it too. 😢 My suggestion didn’t go very far, and as far as I could tell, fell on deaf ears. Of course our Archbishop wouldn’t want to be accountable to a bunch of people he couldn’t control.
It was just a building! Instead think of the HUNDREDS of deaf and mute, read that again, deaf and mute children were raped, sodomized and tortured at the special boarding school. Years later when as adults they sought justice, this skank along with skank Dolan screwed these people their rightful settlement! The RCC clergy are mostly misfits who are drunk on power. I left the the Church and never looked back. The RCC does not have the cornerstone of Jesus. Ontological change, transubstantiation, celibacy, chastity is a bunch of man made bull!
Lotd, forgive those hypocrites of hatred Jesus demanded we love each other. Hatred of others is directly from the evil one. Pray for the unity of Christendom.
These three brave and intelligent men made me feel decidedly less ashamed to be a human being.
Yet, we never truly know how we hurt others because we’ve never done anything this bad.
I was impressed by the contribution from the ex-seminarian (James Egan). Anyone who is interested can hear him again in episode 184 of 'The Angry Catholic', in which he talks about the work he does for survivors of clerical abuse in the Archangel Foundation.
Christopher, I agree. He is erudite and speaks very well. And there is a quality in his voice which is very genuine.
Nate was my good friend. He wanted this to come out. He would be glad to know this is getting more exposure.. Enough is enough...
who is Nate?
Who is Nate? Good question!
Did he commit suicide ver Sadly
The whole organization is corrupt
@@Yobbie72 Nate Lindstrom (in memory of, in ending credits)
The “measures” taken by the church to deal with the abuse amount to putting lipstick on a pig. Still a pig.
I am a woman doctor who has cared for victims, families and even predators. The problem happens in Protestant churches and cults too. These speakers present very real insights and I thank them for it. The attack on the victim is not just physical, it is combined with ongoing psychological abuse of the victim and often their families too, and in this case of seminarians and priests, all of whom are recruited or cajoled into silencing the victim. This exercise of power is part of the excitement for the predator. Predators cooperate with others to find their victims, sometimes they get someone to act as procurer,lookout, and someone to lie and cover up for them. Churches and religious orders have international paedophile rings operating within them. None of this is being addressed.
Whatever it is, my faith remains to God and my church
U forgot Doctors,Judges,Lawyers etc. Academic's are not squeaky clean either.
Ignore the blind faith people even though they have seen and known the truth... !!! Mamen... !!!
@@veronicaoliem3778lol
@@koro287I would say they are top of the list
I am a former Catholic Priest. I remember in my first assignment, I was on fire. The fact that many of the people were from Ascoli Piceno in the Marche region of Italy, fired me up even more. In the rectory, there lived a priest who just lived there. When I inquired about this I was told not to worry about it. I soon learned that this guy was stationed at a neighboring parish, at that parish apparently, he was moved quickly. Nothing was said regarding that sudden move, eventually I learned that the move was perpetuated because he sexually abused a boy. My pastor told me not to worry about this, but it affected me adversely where I couldn't even sit at the table and eat with him.
R u still Christian?
Did you ever think to call the police? Catholics (and I am one) seem to have a problem with reporting abuse to the police when they have reasonable suspicions, There is no excuse for this neglect Claiming that you don't have proof is dishonest. It's not your job or place to gather proof. That is the function of the police and Child Protection workers and not the laity or the bishops or the pope. Many Catholics are guilty of this abuse because they did nothing about it when it was just that simple. The Catholic Church has no business investigating allegations or being the go between for parishioners and the police. The Church needs to butt out and only intervene when ordered to do so.
I highly recommend a book "Near to God Far from Rome" by Richard Bennett. It's a testimony of 50 ex-Catholic priests. Namely, how they came to trusting the true gospel after the Lord got a hold of them through His word. These testimonies span a number of decades and it's so encouraging. I wept through many of the stories. I am an ex-Catholic who turned to New Age for 20 years. Then, after a friend put a King James Bible in front of me, I was immediately convicted (and angry!) After months of wrestling with God and the scriptures, I surrendered, repented, and believed on the gospel that saves (1 Cor 15:1-4.) God gave me a new heart instantly and I know that I will forever be His. This happened 9 years ago and I'm still wanting to share this with anyone who will listen. I pray you are seeking God in prayer, surrender, and by His word.
Believe it or not, he was merely the symptom. The problem was bigger than him. The problem was and remains The Roman Catholic Church. It has not changed. It 'remains the same. The Church merely masks the symptom. It's not sorry for its sin. It's sorry it got caught and teaches its laity to deflect guilt and shame by pointing to other religions and institutions "Oh, they all do it" is their defense. Your revulsion at the dinner table was not caused by him as much as by the organization protecting him from his consequences and accountable for enabling his bad behavior. The Catholic Church may as well beatify him on his way to sainthood. They don't care. They see the Church as his victim and not the children he and they hurt.
The Catholic Church is pretty creepy by promoting the Heliocentric model. Why would they promote something that tricks people into believing they are a speck of dust on a spinning water ball in the black void of outer space? It's a huge problem. They are promoting a false cosmology which leads to solipsistic behavior like we see in this video.
The church replaced moral reasoning and common decency with obedience. Blind obedience to its hierarchical delusion.
The Church of the Antichrist is against free will. It's another way to mock God.
I have been a devout Roman Catholic since 1961, but I renounced my Roman Catholic faith in 2022 for two chief reasons: one, the Roman Catholic faith is not aligned with the Bible; and two, I was spiritually liberated by the book I read entitled "Altar of Secrets: Sex, Politics, and Money in the Philippine Catholic Church" by Aries C. Rufo. I am now a born again Christian . . . much better!
Sorry what happened sir.
All have sin and come short the Glory of God (Romans 3:23)
If you run to protestants, they are sinners too.
When apostles sin, did Jesus say "Go start a new reformation and/or church?
NO! He told them to REPENT!
Jesus: “Repent, hear the churches.” (Revelation 2:5-7, 15-17) (Matthew 18:17)
They are still his Apostles!
Please understand, God uses sinful men to Lead his ONE TRUE church built on Peter, also he uses sinful men to write the Bible!
Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world.
(110 A.D.) St. Ignatius:
“Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM
he shall not inherit
the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics
3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.)
“Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (354-430 A.D.)
St. Augustine: “The one true Church, the catholic Church.”
(A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 14)
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5)
“Chair of the Roman Church Peter sat.”
(Letters of Petilian Book 2 Chapter 51)
“The succession of priest… chair of Peter.”
(Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Angel to declare episcopal succession… of Peter.”
38 Roman Popes listed.
(Letter 53 Chapter 1 #1 & #2)
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)
“The primacy of St. Peter among the twelve apostles with the church of Rome.” (Britannica, Roman Catholicism)
“Catholic church the succession
of priest from PETER.”
(Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.”
(Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5)
(376 A.D.) St. Jerome:
“State of Roman
the chair of Peter... the rock on which the church is built! Matthew 16:18
This is the
Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it
shall perish.”
(Letter 15:2)
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian:
“Throne of Peter,
the chief church,
the Romans.”
(Epistle 54:14)
“The Lord speaks to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church…
Not gather with me, scatters.”
(De catholicae ecclesiae unitate,
Chapters 4 & 6) (Mathew 12:30)
“There is no salvation outside the Church…
(Epistles 72:21 & 75:2) the Ark of Noah.” (74:15) (1 Peter 3:20-21)
(431 A.D.) Council of Ephesus, Pope Celestine (Roman Catholic) excommunicates Heretic Nestorian for not accepting
Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God)! “To Celestine, the guardian of the Faith!... the bishop of Rome.”
Philip (Roman Priest) says to 180 Eastern Orthodox bishops: “Peter, head of the Apostles, foundation of the Catholic Church, received from our Lord Jesus Christ, the keys of the Kingdom, and the power of binding and loosing sins, for ever lives and judges his successors, our holy Pope Celestine. . .
Cyril said that the synod had understood them clearly… the whole world has therefore agreed.”
(451 A.D.) Council of Chalcedon: “Elder Rome foundation of the Catholic Church and orthodox faith.” (Session 3) (2007 A.D.) (13 October) (Ravenna Document): “Bishop of Rome as protos.” (First) (Apostolic see - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia)
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms, whereby he might corrupt the truth.”
(De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4)
(434 A.D.) St. Vincent of Lérins (Commonitorium) (Chapter 25):
“Heretics appeal to Scripture that they may succeed in deceiving… they do with a vengeance.” (verse 64) false teachers cite passages… misinterpreted, introduce error, pretending the authority of Holy Scripture.” (verse 67)
“Heretics, in quoting Scripture, follow the example of the Devil… against the Catholic Faith, the Devil speaks through their mouths.” (Chapter 26 verse 68)
“Truth in Scriptures? Interpret with Catholic doctrine… universality, antiquity, consent… we shall detect heretics.” (Chapter 27 verse 70)
St. Isidore: “These are heresies in opposition to the catholic faith, have been condemned by the apostles and Holy Fathers, or the Councils.
Although they disagree with each other, conspire with a common name against the Church of God.” (560-636 A.D.) (Book 8, Ch. 5: Christian heresies, §§1, 69, 70)
@@MUSIC-MARYThe church was not built on Peter. It was built on the faith that lived in Peter.
Oh my heart breaks. As a survivor myself. I thank you for you bravery. What the concept of a priest being ontologically changed in Christ does to many of us who were victims is horrific!
The whole ontological change concept is all about control and grooming
Thanks for making this film. I just watched it twice.
Tom Doyle is a magnificent man.
What sane, caring parent would send off their young children with a lone priest for a week in the country? Or any lone adult, for that matter. This is inconceivable to me.
Maybe but many single aunts and uncles do this. If the priest is a very close family friend, they wouldn’t have thought about it. It was very different years ago. You can’t look at at it, the way we do now.
@@LmrWI .... you are correct. Just How many people didn't know what a same sex attraction person was...l was one of them! People, families never ever spoke of such matters: why would they.
@@fritula6200 It should be noted that Tom Doyle pointed out that most predators are married men. And it's Gay, not "same sex attracted."
Remember, they have the "air" of respect.
DOGS!!
People lived in fear and reverence of the church back then. It was terrible.
I know many priests from my boyhood and none of them were predators. It has to be said too.
I am Catholic, and I know a lot of excelent and kind priests!! They help me a lot in several painful moments, with kindness and respect. I owe them a lot, and I am grateful!😃
And how many of them turned their faces away and ignored the problem? I know the answer from the inside, most priests and religious and nearly every Bishop upwards.
Maybe you didn't look hot enough.
This is a very powerful and beautiful documentary, though it's very hard to listen to sometimes. And I think it's 100% correct in its analysis: Nothing is going to change as long as the church is an autocracy controlled by male bachelors. And since I don't think the Magisterium is ever going to give up even an iota of their current power and privilege, I think the institutional church is going to die. If Catholicism survives, it's going to survive as independent laity-controlled congregations in which women share power equally with men and any instances of sexual abuse are immediately reported to the police.
RCC made Celibacy a Law for Clerics in 1123 AD. I’m assuming such applied to Nuns too.
I agree that the chance of giving up magisterium power is slim.
The Great Falling Away
is on display.
This is a really helpful and powerful documentary. Sad and tragic stories of the abuse of power-and yet, thankfully, these men also offer hope of a better way.
how long did it take for someone to admit that some of the predators were BISHOPS!!
This is one of the best documentaries, if not the best, on the sickness of the Catholic Church..Bravo!
This was an excellent video. As a former cleric This video has helped me understand many of the things that I have not understood since I left the ministry. Thank you for your good work.
This is what's difficult & complicated about the catholic church, it's either the sexual scandal, corruption or the bullying, & this happens not just among Priests, Religious & seminarians but it also happens among the laity who serves within the church.
rx: don't give the catholic church another penny ever. there are plenty of other worthy causes.
All have sin and come short the Glory of God (Romans 3:23)
If you run to protestants, they are sinners too.
When apostles sin, did Jesus say "Go start a new reformation and/or church?
NO! He told them to REPENT!
Jesus: “Repent, hear the churches.” (Revelation 2:5-7, 15-17) (Matthew 18:17)
They are still his Apostles!
Please understand, God uses sinful men to Lead his ONE TRUE church built on Peter, also he uses sinful men to write the Bible!
Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world.
(110 A.D.) St. Ignatius:
“Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM
he shall not inherit
the Kingdom of God.”
(Avoid Schismatics
3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4)
St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.)
“Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (354-430 A.D.)
St. Augustine: “The one true Church, the catholic Church.”
(A Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 14)
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5) “Catholic church the succession of priest from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.” (Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5)
“Chair of the Roman Church Peter sat.”
(Letters of Petilian Book 2 Chapter 51)
“The succession of priest… chair of Peter.”
(Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Angel to declare episcopal succession… of Peter.”
38 Roman Popes listed.
(Letter 53 Chapter 1 #1 & #2)
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)
“The primacy of St. Peter among the twelve apostles with the church of Rome.” (Britannica, Roman Catholicism)
“Catholic church the succession
of priest from PETER.”
(Epistle of Manichaeus Chapter 4)
“Succession of Bishops of Peter in ROME.”
(Letter 53 Chapters 1:2, 2:5)
(376 A.D.) St. Jerome:
“State of Roman
the chair of Peter... the rock on which the church is built! Matthew 16:18
This is the
Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it
shall perish.”
(Letter 15:2)
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian:
“Throne of Peter,
the chief church,
the Romans.”
(Epistle 54:14)
“The Lord speaks to Peter: upon this rock I will build my church…
Not gather with me, scatters.”
(De catholicae ecclesiae unitate,
Chapters 4 & 6) (Mathew 12:30)
“There is no salvation outside the Church…
(Epistles 72:21 & 75:2) the Ark of Noah.” (74:15) (1 Peter 3:20-21)
(431 A.D.) Council of Ephesus, Pope Celestine (Roman Catholic) excommunicates Heretic Nestorian for not accepting
Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God)! “To Celestine, the guardian of the Faith!... the bishop of Rome.”
Philip (Roman Priest) says to 180 Eastern Orthodox bishops: “Peter, head of the Apostles, foundation of the Catholic Church, received from our Lord Jesus Christ, the keys of the Kingdom, and the power of binding and loosing sins, for ever lives and judges his successors, our holy Pope Celestine. . .
Cyril said that the synod had understood them clearly… the whole world has therefore agreed.”
(451 A.D.) Council of Chalcedon: “Elder Rome foundation of the Catholic Church and orthodox faith.” (Session 3) (2007 A.D.) (13 October) (Ravenna Document): “Bishop of Rome as protos.” (First) (Apostolic see - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia)
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Serpent (Satan) invented heresies and schisms, whereby he might corrupt the truth.”
(De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate 1, 3-4)
(434 A.D.) St. Vincent of Lérins (Commonitorium) (Chapter 25):
“Heretics appeal to Scripture that they may succeed in deceiving… they do with a vengeance.” (verse 64) false teachers cite passages… misinterpreted, introduce error, pretending the authority of Holy Scripture.” (verse 67)
“Heretics, in quoting Scripture, follow the example of the Devil… against the Catholic Faith, the Devil speaks through their mouths.” (Chapter 26 verse 68)
“Truth in Scriptures? Interpret with Catholic doctrine… universality, antiquity, consent… we shall detect heretics.” (Chapter 27 verse 70)
St. Isidore: “These are heresies in opposition to the catholic faith, have been condemned by the apostles and Holy Fathers, or the Councils.
Although they disagree with each other, conspire with a common name against the Church of God.” (560-636 A.D.) (Book 8, Ch. 5: Christian heresies, §§1, 69, 70)
This was very well done. It was clear, thoughtful and honest. The condemnation was placed exactly where it needs to be - on the heads of those that perpetrated these crimes and those that protect them. I am a practicing Catholic who loves Christ and His Church, but I do not want to turn a blind eye to evil within our own institution because of the fear of how this may be perceived. Thank you for the kind and respectful way you presented this very difficult material. And thank you to the brave men that came forward to share their story. I do not want to cede our beautiful church to these criminals but also know that the church is set up to heal poor sinners such as these. They just shouldn’t be running it!
Same behaviour is still evident with priests being bullied and cancelled for being good priests who uphold tradition.
Just seen that Nate took his life. So awful. This is such an important film.
No he did not comit suicide.
Nate did indeed take His life after the Norbertine monsters cut off the hush money they were paying Him that He was using for therapy that kept Him going.
who is Nate?
@@trafficjon400 yes he did
@@susannehermeling9207 Yes he did gives no explaination if he did or not. Yet you can see in his expressions are not good.
The abused are like Jesus who are left behind with thorns in their heads. I send my love and blessings to all who stand up and work towards a better spirit for us all. Because I am furious.
As a clergy person, I appreciate the insightful and realistic perspectives of the insiders interviewed for this excellent documentary.
thank you so much from Czech Republic!
smoke a cigarette before you meet McCarrick!! Tragic but hilarious.
What a eye opening Report about
McCarrick’s aversion to scent of cigarettes.
It is TRAGIC that he victimized seminary students + that so many others knew about ongoing sexual abuse + Archbishop Vigano reported to 2 Popes (Benedict & Francis) about McCarrick + he wasn’t “defrocked” for YEARS.
I understand that McCarrick was once an excellent moneymaker.
He was (recently) declared incompetent to stand trial.
You guys have me in tears. Thank you so much. For men to speak out on all of this... I just thank you.
God is working. ❤
Amazing vid thanks. All my family my in laws my wife were influenced greatly by the Roman church. I thankfully went a different route. I lived In London next to the most important abbey in London Ealing abbey. The past Abbott has recently been sent to prison for 17 years he jumped bail and was on the run for years he was helped on the run by Rome and was tracked down to Albania and had to be extradited back to the UK. A whole succession of priests from the abbey have been sent to prison. This stuff is still going on. I was raped by a teacher repeatedly as a boy . My life fell apart . I had him arrested 40 years later he had just retired as the headmaster of a Roman Catholic primary school and was just about to become a deacon of his local church. The police did not prosecute him
This is so devastating. I am so sorry that you had to go through this. I was brought up in the Roman Catholic Church and thank God the Holy Spirit led me out of the Roman Catholic system, and I became a born-again Christian. I started reading the Bible and I now realize that this is the harlot which is described in revelation 13. It’s so very sad. they have led countless souls to very dark places… May God be with you and your family
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hello thanks for your good wishes . I too was a born again Christian for about 20 years I am not a Christian now . The harlot of revelation was obviously non believing Jerusalem . Please see my other comment below
@@ricdavid7476 hey there, Ric… so I just want to know this very amazing thing. If you truly as you say, were a Christian born again, the Father will never let you out of his hands. You can choose to turn away, reject and leave, but the father will never leave you, nor forsake you. Because this is a work of God that sustains us-not of ourselves. So now, just like the prodigal son you may be far away from him but he has never left you.
This is so mind blowing. I thought about That this morning as I was waking up. The prodigal son.
He loves his children that much.
It’s amazing how the Bible always shows us that it’s always about him being faithful when we’re not faithful.
So yes, you may have left Christianity, but if you are born again of the spirit, He will never leave you. You are now a son and an heir no matter what you do in this lifetime.
Truly, showing that God, when we make a confession about who he is, we are sealed with the holy spirit of promise until the day of redemption. Again, mind blowing. No other religion in the world will ever bring man to this knowledge because this is not the knowledge of man, but of God.
I share this because I truly feel a supernatural peace, even when The world around us is falling apart. This is how I know the one true God, because of the peace that I feel that surpasses my own human understanding. I want everybody to understand this truth, and understand they can have the same because or that I am faithful, but because he is faithful.
God Bless!
@@BUSINESSCHICMAMA hey man thanks for your comment I know you mean well. What you said is really the fatal flaw in your theology . I have no doubt I was sincere when I confessed with my mouth jesus and believed in my heart that God has raised him from the dead. However in your theology I can now murder and rape at will confident that I will go to heaven. You really need to look at my comment I made down below . It is the truth and the truth will set you free
@@ricdavid7476You weren't born again ,Christian in name only
At my brother's public school the comment was Father has a thing for boys' bottoms - it was an attempt to minimise
Celibacy is a sacrifice made by a man or woman that is called to religious life, the person gives up the opportunity of having a family for God. A homosexual makes no such sacrifice. Perhaps it's a way for the Catholic family homosexual to save face and say he has a calling to the priesthood which is wrong. Now it is as if you must be a homosexual to become a priest.
You have this right. These monsters were not “manufactured” in the Church, they were deviants before they entered the seminary and they never planned on living out a virtuous life of chastity. They didn’t enter seminary because they loved Christ and His Church above all and wanted to offer their lives in service to it. Far from it. I have been told this by priests who saw men in seminary who never should have been there.
There is much blame that can be directed to how the church handled cases of abuse and failed to protect the innocent. Protecting the innocent from evil and bringing healing to the wounded is at the heart of the Church’s mission. To fail to identify the cancer within and to cut it out - is a colossal failure and human tragedy. My heart grieves for these innocent victims.
But to fix issues, the issues have to be properly understood. And understanding who these monsters are is critical - so we can prevent more like them from ever entering seminaries in the first place. I believe the Church does better now at psychological screening, but like with any human institution, it will not always succeed. And where deviants are themselves in positions of power within the Church? - God help us. We need brave and holy Church leaders who demand we have a HOLY priesthood that is sworn to uphold and live out ALL the teachings of the Catholic Church. And when abuse is discovered, there needs to be justice… so healing can begin.
Celibacy wasn't a requirement in the first centuries of the church, what it was closer to the time o jesus.. so tell me again why is it so amazing?
And isn't a requirement in some christian denominations. The real reason it became policy was to protect the church property. Since the local clerics would receive and manage materials and lands of the church which could them be inherited or give to their sons, thus dilapidating the church. It's all about money.
@@vascoa It still isn't required in the Eastern Rite of the Catholic Church.
The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims.
The Catholic Church has already given it's reasons for celibacy,
Just do a simple Google search on why Priest are Celibate and many good reasons are given for why.
Sexual abuse is a disgusting filth that should be met with the harshest of punishments wherever it's found.
James I'm proud of your truth
I thank God for Church Militant TV.
"...a way for offender priests to have vulnerable seminarians open up about their sexuality and it gets them to talk about about their sexual preferences and......" on it goes. So he then tells us how these offender priests, a great way for them to 'scope out territory...' and they know this person (seminarian) is struggling, they might be conflicted about homosexuality and so on. If you're the offender priest you now know you can 'target' them, they're vulnerable, open to exploitation. They've opened up; you know their secret.
It's a part of grooming their intended victims.
Those vultures of the Vatican are worse than evil
Thank you Tom Doyle. Again.
Lyn Hayward Taylor
SNAP Louisiana
Vote with your $$$
Where John Paul II differed was that the ontological change he experienced in his own pious life, was one he specifically sought in his sufferings and priesthood. The wild, Hugh Hefnerian-inspired "liberated" untamed sexual perversity in American and Western societies was something John Paul II, coming from Poland, never imagined. Pre-WW II Polish society was a different world from 1960s-2000 America.
The perversity was rampant before the sixties
The counsel of Balaam is in the Torah
and mentioned in the Apocalypse of Jesus Christ.
He tried to curse Israel coming out of Egypt, but blessed them 7 times.
Told the king who hired him,
If you want to curse them, send your women in among them, and get them to eat meat sacrificed to idols.
Get them to sin.
They will bring the curse upon themselves.
Porn and immorality have always been
a problem. Ever heard of the Comstock
Act? Anthony Comstock must have read the Bible.
BLAME untamed sexual perversity
in America & Western societies ?
EXCUSE one of your highest ranking Cleric for the sexual perversity INSIDE of the RCC.
Pfft. How Convenient.
I hope you all know that you are bringing healing to many just by speaking on this.
Does anyone have recommendations for victim outreach? I need spiritual healing and guidance that I can trust. I'm so ready to serve God, I'm so ready to heal and move on. I want my light back, I can't keep living like this. I can't keep living in fear.
People really need to understand that there never was an actual separation between church and state. All intertwined. I wish that governmental agencies would get the same amount of scrutiny the Catholic church gets. It is NOT just the Catholic church, it is in EVERY sect of religion.
I dont hate the church, I WANT to serve God. I love Jesus. I need my light back but I've been fucked with my entire life and I'm scared to trust anyone. I'm actually convinced that I've been cursed since literal birth.
My mother told me she was told to never return to the Catholic church because she was 16 and unwed and pregnant. I'm convinced we were put on some sort of list....
I know it sounds crazy, it FEELS crazy!
I just dont see how this many bad things can happen to one person.
It literally feels like there is this push to get me to k*ll myself. 😢
I've even had people with credentials tell me that im NOT crazy that what I'm saying actually does happen and it really isn't that far fetched. I try to find peace in that.
God is the only reason I'm alive, I truly believe that! I should be dead, several times over. I have a life story, most probably wouldn't believe. 😢 God has to be THE only explanation of me being alive.
20:04 I used to be one of those devout Catholics until a few years ago and although I knew of the abuses I rationalized or downplayed them away during those years as I really believed the apologetics on this one, I was raised by parents who also really liked JPII growing up but I became a Traditionalist type of Catholic during high school and college (as the Latin Mass seemed to be making a come back in many dioceses until the pope put a stop to it nearly two years ago) and my fellow Trad friends usually either blamed Vatican II itself or the chaos that came after it for the abuses when they weren't blaming the LGBT+ community instead (mainly the gay priests) so I guess that's the way I dealt with the situation until the very last day I called myself a Catholic.
Because of that the crisis pretty much played no role in my deconversion and it's been several years now since I left the but now I'm starting to see I may have been lied to in more ways than I thought and for a good chunk of my life I thought God wanted me to be a priest (and I idealized the priesthood as a result), however I never made it to seminary and I'm grateful for that.
Still trying to recover from the +10 years of repression and guilt I got as a hormonal teenager through Purity Culture/Theology of the Body type of theology I got but I was told the moment I looked at a woman a certain way and gave in to "impure thoughts" that would be a mortal sin and would go to hell unless I went to confessional (and confess I did very often, like every two weeks at one point), now I see why so many have left over the scandal and it's mostly because of the hypocrisy and the audacity of these priests and bishops to dictate what our sex lives should be like while all of this was going on.
Yet another reason why at this point I want nothing to do with the institution I used to be so loyal to and made the center of my life for too long, I'm not exactly optimistic that true reform will come anytime soon and this will keep happening.
Submit to the Roman Catholic Church
The HYPOCRISY of Religious Leaders IS exactly what Savior Jesus Exposed and Warned us about.
You may want to consider that it was through the help of Vatican II, this internal problem was dragged into the light. The misguided orthodoxy plaguing the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II was a contributing factor in blinding Catholics and non-Catholics to this unfortunate reality. Back in those days, people tended to deify clergy and other clerics in the Church. In a sense, they could do no wrong. The Church's demonizing of human sexuality added fuel to the fire. These excessive practices may have served as shields and food attracting power hungry and control seeking people. In a sense, Vatican II forced the Catholic Church out of its closet and thereby exposing its ugly "secrets" for all to see. When a dysfunctional body is exposed for its corruption, the view is not pretty. That, I believe is where the Church now stands. People, especially some Catholics, view that exposure as "attacking the faith" . So they fight back by blaming the pope, attacking Church reform, and rejecting more meaningful liturgy as causing the Church harm. Consequently, they see the solutions as turning the clock back to the days of Latin Masses, ovelrritualization and supernatural beliefs such as apparations of the saints, the Shroud of Turin, and the blood of Christ flowing from a communion wafer. Some see all of this as a sign of hopelessness for theChurch, but it may be an indicator of the need for continued reform and not regression. Don't jump off the ship just yet.
I also was a Catholic and left the church. It would seem that the only cure for this child rapist problem among the priest is to completely shut down the church so these predators would no longer have easy access to the children. And the only way this organization of crime will be shut down is if every Catholic walks away and stops supporting it on every level. What is the right thing to do? Support a criminal entity or protect the children? It's obvious that the Vatican will never serve any kind of justice and will continue to promote child rapists by continuing to hide them and/or move them from place to place. Their deceptive protocol plan has been reveal even within their own records which have been subpoenaed for court. The Catholic Church has too much power around the globe thanks to their Jesuits who invade countries through government. The Catholic Church is nothing short of organized crime on many levels. It's too bad that most Catholics cannot bring themselves to read and research the true history of the church. The Catholic Church is nothing more than Lucifer's church.
Very powerful and poignant.
As a Catholic Christian,
I understand that there’s some people that used to be Catholic but decided to leave the faith because of the sexual abuses committed by catholic priests and I understand that they’re extremely angry and livid about the local archbishops and Bishops who aren’t taking control of the situation and they’re probably not happy with the current Holy Father, Pope Francis. So yes, I understand how they feel. But there’s no way that I’m going to leave my Catholic faith.
Alan, Thank you. Same here.
I grew up in Boston and I'm also a cradle Catholic who's never been abused but I was certainly in situations where it could have easily happened but it didn't for whatever reason but I too won't leave my Catholic faith and throw the baby out with the bath water because of some very evil acts by a small percentage of Priests.
I'd rather help throw them out first and completely purge our Church than leave the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
@samuel alíren
Faith or leaving the church is not the issue here.
Worrying about the lost of faith is what keeps these priests in power.
first come the victims and their justice. Only then and, completely up to them, is faith to be thought about..
Wouldn't worry about damnation anyway, they already went through it. And some kept their faith regardless.
IF ALL CATHOLICS ABANDON THE STRUGGLE BECAUSE OF SINFUL PRIESTS, WHO WILL BE LEFT IN THE CHURCH TO PERSEVERE IN THE FAITH? WHO WILL BE LEFT TO BE FAITHFUL TO CHRIST? ONLY "THOSE WHO PERSEVERE TO THE END WILL BE SAVED." [MARK 13: 13].
Why didn't these coward Catholics who left the Catholic Church; if they were so indignant why didn't they take action and done something about the victims of the sexual abuse: Instead of deserting these victim children.... what horrible people, self centred and selfish humans...
Paedophilia is the largest problem witthin families in the world:
Child Sex Slavery.
Child Pornography.
It would be a different world
IF the current Synod
was focused on
WAYS to Protect Children
Prevent Sex Sins
Thank you for your courage
Thank you for your excellent exposé.
I was a NJ seminarian who met McCarrick in 1978 when he was an Auxiliary Bishop in NY. I was with a friend in a religious order. My friend said I'd be okay. He said McCarrick 'loved seminarians' but we were safe because we were not studying for New York Archdiocese. This was in 1978. This all was a looming disaster and I chose to be Protestant.
And Jesus wept
Still a facade: "...powerful people were allowed to continue to engage in predatory behavior even on an really exceptional scale..." (31:36)
Who is this "boss" that this former Dominican priest talking about?
So sad, and painful to watch these fellow catholics suffer so much at the hand of priests.
There is no way you can truly believe in God and do these things. Especially calling yourself a man of God. It seems to be getting darker . May God bless us all.
Edward Lots of people these days who call themselves Catholic, are not really Catholic at all. They lack Catholic Faith and Piety. They think they can commit sins, even sins which are civil crimes, with impunity. Their mind and conscience, and their life, is compartmentalized.
Yes of course... as long as they repent they should have entry into heaven... doesn't matter if they are pedos or mass murderers. That's the morality of Christianity.
This was happening in all religions, not just in Roman Catholic Church AND in all institutions .
God is not going to bless all.
It’s not compartmentalization,
it’s a seared conscience aka
a reprobate mind.
With Repentance (Godly sorrow, not worldly regret) GOD may forgive sins.
Sexual Sins are be committed elsewhere and not only by RC clerics, but no other institution claims to be holding back hell.
This is a horrific story. Partly because it affected so many children and destroy so many lives and partly because it’s an international story not just Boston or the US but everywhere the Roman Catholic Church exists.
"I really gave the best years of my life to the Church and the Church meant everything to me and my family. And... when I needed my Church... they weren't there.. "
"...if threat comes from the inside, you're gonna isolate that threat. If it comes from the outside, you circle the wagons..."
All of it is 1000% correct
James Egan's photo at the beginning of his interview resembles the late Jeffrey Dahmer. I also noticed that Thomas Doyle has somewhat of an uncanny resemblance to the late overnight radio talkshow host Art Bell. ☝️🙄
Smoke of S…… is in the church. Praying for the victims. Have mercy on us dear Lord.🙏🏻🕊️✝️
Praying for 2000 years dishonest passive ignorance and the ANTI CHRIST.
S?
Smoke of Satan
If you want justice, blame the individual. If you want money, sue the institution. But if you want real healing, then ask for Divine Mercy.
Listening to this presentation, I feel as though I am in seminary again.
Ugh. This is beyond depressing!😢
Unfortunately, it is not their MOST obscene secret....
is there more?
would you like to share with the rest of the class?
@@vascoa jesuits
@@red---paulvanravenswaay2247
Hello Paul ..
What's the deal with Jesuits?..
I honestly don't know
Very enlightening!
Pope Francis said, “Clericalism is when the priests and other clergy in the church start to think they are more important and powerful than everyone else. Displeased, he said it was like a disease, like a leprosy that is really hurting the church. He told church leaders, especially those working in the Vatican to get rid of the bad habits and temptations like feeling indispensable, wanting to be rich, living a double life, and even forgetting about God.”
The pyramid of hierarchical authority, and the ordination of gay men is but the mighty beast of power that has taken over in the church that Jesus Christ established. God will cleanse His temple as He did when He went up to Jerusalem and told them to stop abusing and misusing ”My Father’s house.”
There are so many non free thinking clericalised lay people in the catholic church now, that it has become harder to demand changes to bring back e.g. the altar rails that were ripped out of our churches removing this reverence and more efficient way of receiving God on our tongues, and to put Christ back where He belongs in our churches so that we may once again have access to visit Him in unlocked churches. God protect us and Your church...
Took me years to leave the Catholic Church ! I used to feel conflicted about giving money or not. didn't want to contribute to paying for all these cover up. I finally read the Bible for myself and it became very clear that this church had NOTHING to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ !!!
What a ridiculous concept... Allow priests to marry... All men want sex... Better to marry, St. Paul said. Maybe it's more about the Church attracting narcissists and psychopaths... Good people do good things! As the historical churches of all faiths have always done... Hospitals, Social Services... 🤗 Kindness, Love 💕 etc. etc...
Celibacy and chastity are not the problem. Homosexuality is.
How is homosexuality the problem?
@@tonyfurtado5595 it’s a problem because it’s perversion.
Though sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is shocking, it is really no different from what you can find in any organization with a hierarchy - religious, educational, youth-centered. The problem isn’t the Church or "manufacturing." It’s… human beings.
It’s the hierarchy of the Catholic Church that instigates and perpetuates the coverups. And the Catholic communities who refuse to believe that abuse is rife in the Catholic Church.
Yes for sure the priests who abuse are responsible for the harm. But the hierarchy of the church (bishops for example) allowed it to happen. They covered it up. So did every level of authority all the way up to the Pope. In terms coined by psychologist Phil Zimbardo - bad apples, bad barrel, bad barrel maker.
All high-ranking RC clerics were once priests.
Who actually still believes that most priests (can) stay celibate ?
Clerics confess to other clerics.
CAN’T break seal of Confession CAN’T stay Celibate.
What a CATCH 22 !!
Covering Up sexual sins is built right into the RCC system.
RCC is the one true church ?
The problem is the lavender mafia in the church and in the seminaries.
This is good as far as it goes. What is missing is what my experience has informed me as the fundamental problem: the refusal to accept the truth about homosexuality which corrupts the seminary formation process. That process is thoroughly dysfunctional. It is deformation by defamation.
Hope for more brave, humble and truthful documentary like this. That shows that even priests need regeneration by the Holy Spirit. And turn into a real ontological change through faith in Christ alone. Religious discipline is not enough Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. May everyone in RC turn to Jesus Christ for 2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
I look at these verses as it is. I may seem superstitious on this but I believe on God who creates something out of nothing with God all things are possible. Amen
I wish we knew how to check if a catholic priest is a predator that was sent overseas to escape justice, one from Nigeria
there’s an international support group called SNAP: Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, they keep records
When I was in the seminary, I constantly heard the bull shit regarding ontological change. They always stressed this ontological change with ordination.
Creating a religious system within which clergy aren't allowed to marry, creates an unnatural environment. The "sacred feminine" /holy grail of manhood regards orgasm as the ultimate physical experience. That constitutes "god" for many through the ages. If you find yourself in a religious system in which you gain knowledge of deity, it remains soul-dimension-bound. Until you meet the Creator of the universe in person, you just remain religious- gaining knowledge, emotional experiences- in your own unique manner as a person:that constitutes your soul. Only the bride of Christ has a spirit dimension which has truly come alive. Only they can hear God's voice and see Him manifest to them in many ways. That is the ultimate human "experience". Knowledge of the bible, doing good deeds an trying to be a good person doesn't make you part of the bride. Untill then, you'll be mislead by the religious spirit-which is a demonic entity.
The Devil & Demons have their best successes INSIDE the Religious Arena.
Successful DECEPTION is Why people continue to remain loyal to RCC Clerics + RCC Dogma.
Savior JESUS Warned About
The Deceiver & human deceivers-
False Prophets
Selfish Shepherds
The reason why they went to the church is because they could get away with the rape of minors.
You have it backward ..
JohnPaul II is being misrepresented concerning his teaching on sexuality and clerical celibacy. Nowhere does he suggest that clerical celibacy leads to a higher form of sexual satisfaction. Chastity is a sublimation of sexuality for a greater good and it is required of everyone not just priests. It is the only healthy and normal use of human sexuality diametrically opposed to selfish use of our sexuality. Married couples understand this too because chastity is also part of married life where sex is sublimated for raising a family. Chastity is the only form of sexuality that is worthy of human dignity. Any other use of sexuality leads to abuse and degradation of human beings including rape and abortions.
Yesterday the pope was accused on Twitter by Vigano that he "used to operate like McCarrick" used to with seminarians. This is supposed to have been told to Vigano by a former seminarian about what pope francis was like when the seminarian was a novice. No other details were mentioned.
It sounds like it would have had to have been at a Jesuit Seminary. I'm just guessing.
Bergoglio is the worst cover-up artist of them all.
Read the oath that Jesuits take.
Read the history of the Jesuits.
27:14, This, to my mind, is the most damning part of this whole sordid scandal: obfuscate, conceal, whitewash the abuse crisis, the legacy of JPII.
Why didn't God protect the children? Why didn't God stop these predators? Any ideas?
I was not sexually abused. I was a Catholic orphan STOLEN from my mother by John Cardinal O'Connor who was paid by my father and then she was put through "electro shock treatments, three times, for the sole purpose of surrender". God does not 'let this happen'. People have free will. My life was a living HELL. However, I had a deep and very mystical relationship with St. Elizabeth Ann Seton and there were excellent priests, bishops and nuns who did help ME get through and endure the suffering AND support and guide me in fighting the demons in the Church. And, at the end of the day, IF you are Catholic .... you know there's a heaven and a hell.
Idiots will say freewill... freewill from the abuser obviously..
Which means they are of the position that god is unwilling to stop the abuser making him an evil god, or probably unable to which makes it not much of a god.
Basically an non intervening god isn't much of a god at all. 😑
If they were good christians they could offer themselves as sacrificial lambs to the abusers in the hope of saving unwilling victims.. Or simply demand of the church they stop the abusers, instead of ignoring or defending the organization.
@@penelopecarterdougherty8575 brilliant...
Yes, Jesus said it would be better a man have a millstone tied around his neck and cast into the sea, than cause one of these little ones to fall.
The Lake of Fire...
Yep. ‘He’ is a figment of gullible people’s imagination.
At 33 minutes, I dont 'get' this. Suddenly we've ex-offender priests talking to seminarians. All because of the Polish pope's emphasis on celibacy and a state of being chaste...... this leads to... read on.....
Why don't these victims call the police, have them arrested? The abuses should serve time in prison!!
Who determined/decided which accused RC clerics were “credibly accused” ?
How many of the credibly accused were excommunicated ?
“Defrocked” Cardinal McCarrick +
Retired Archbishop Vigano
should be of great interest to all, especially all Roman Catholics.
Not surprising to hear of the “wicked to the core” status of the RCC. As the Lord Jesus had said when he walked this earth “you (referring to the hypocritical religious power at the time) travel over land and sea to make a single convert, and when you do, you make him twice a son of hell as you are.”
The good news, however, is that victims can find true deliverance and healing through faith and repentance. Come to me, you who are heavy laden, take my yoke on you and learn from me. For my yoke is easy and my burden, light-the words of our ONE and ONLY mediator-Jesus the Christ.
Since V2, more than 150k priests hv left the priesthood, considered by sm a subtle victory of reptile of paradise!
Utter madness.
All that for something imaginary called god.
This is all rather bizarre. Would a diocese allow a predator in to talk to and instruct seminarians? So where does this occur? Surely seminarians are not that naive that they'd suddenly talk to someone ("I'm an ex-offender") and reveal all to them? Do they? If they confessed to them, isnt the Seal being broken?
Sad with all this confusion in the RCC?
Not from the point of view from how much they brought it all upon themselves. Many would say. Often it was the 'good ones', the ordinary footsoldiers who never did anything, I'd feel sad for them. It was known manys the bishop offered little to no support. Maybe those bishops thought it would all simply 'go away'.
Enforced Celibacy
+ Seal of Confession
= Catch 22
🙉 Hear no evil
🙈 See no evil
🙊 Speak no evil
Life Long CELIBACY is not natural. It is not GOD’s design, plan or commandment.
RCC made Celibacy their LAW.
SEE the Consequences of changing instead of obeying
GOD ?
Where to go if not Catholic?
cupich is mean-spirited
I am still amazed at how naive people are. No one has cornered the market on temptation and Evil. Any group, especially a corporate one, will leverage its power to protect itself, manufacturing an ideology to support its ideas and actions. Call it social pathology or original sin. Perhaps if we were willing to recognize this reality, we could waylay some of the damage. Wouldn't that be better than living within an orbit of opposition, in constant rotation around people from whom we have pledged to escape?
Power corrupts everyone, including saints.
A very thoughtful response, really we are all without words about the betrayal of the completely misrepresented little Jewish bloke from Palestine.
Sad we have to pray to God to give these men of God to persevere in holiness and not power
The thing is... you don't.. it's all a show with empty hands.
Who didn't vilify Kinsey for decades? Decades later Who vilified Kinsey? 😮
sadly they are very negative about the church, I was sexually assaulted as a religious shortly after my first profession. I survived and left after six years solely because of a lack of community prayer. I have been ordained as an Old Roman Catholic priest and I believe the church is still holy and sinful. In my M. Div. I did a paper in Ecclesiology on the question of how the church is both holy and sinful and received a B+. The Church has sinful people both clergy and lay. Yet in society, it's the same they individuals especially James Egan I feel sorry for. Possibly they have lost their faith. I survived my assault and live in faith.
Hypocrisy + Abuse + Betrayal
are real reasons for why people
lose/lost faith in the RCC.
FAITH in GOD + Obedience to GOD
trumps faith in a religious system.
The "victims" in this video, though they may have claims of being steeped in the Catholic culture. All display a fundamental misunderstanding of Church doctrine. In that the Church is not a building or institution, but a body of people. To continue to use the language of the entire Church being complicit in child abuse, would imply that the victims themselves and their own families contributed to these abuses.
Rather, it is more logical to segregate the abusers in these instances as not part of the Church, but infiltrator's of the Church.
This would also point out, that no institution is free of the worst .1% of the population. And if you have a legitimate gripe with child abuse, your efforts would be better spent fighting at your local public schools as the rates of abuse in government institutions is 3x higher then the Church.
Wonder where this former Dominican is going to church?
I'm deeply saddened by what has happened in the Church Christ established. On a cynical level, I must wonder though if this video dropped as we are preparing for the Synod of Bishops as a way to pressure Pope Francis into dropping the celibacy requirement. Painful as these experiences are, this video fails to provide the concrete steps that the Pope should take. This very week the Pope made "Vos Estis" definitive which holds bishops and religious superiors accountable for the abuse that they commit or cover up and extended the law to now include lay leaders who head international associations recognized by the Vatican. Let's talk about what more needs to be done. That's where the discussion must be now.
Marriage would NOT help the priesthood as the sexual perverts would be no more faithful to their wives as they are to the Church. Most sexual crimes committed by clergy are committed by homosexual men against male children and adolescents. These are sick people who should never be married.
Married men are (I strongly believe) as likely to abuse underlings as unmarried men. A wife is not an arsonist's hearth, despite what Paul thought.
Well it was d Church Paul est not Jesus
How to you logistically reason that disallowing the priestly vow of celibacy will solve any single thing. Predators are predisposed to be as such. “Consulting Adult” homosexuals are still breaking the law of both the Church and the Scriptures.
This is the first I’ve heard of this decision by Pope Francis, “Vos Estis.” I’ll look into it. 👍 About 8-9 years ago my pastor asked me to take part in an Archdiocese-wide meeting/conference of laypeople to make suggestions to our archbishop for dealing with the sex scandals that had surfaced recently. I made the suggestion that there be a group of laypeople outside of bishops’ control, that the bishops are accountable to about dealing with sexual abuses in the church. My Archdiocese had sexual predators in it too. 😢 My suggestion didn’t go very far, and as far as I could tell, fell on deaf ears. Of course our Archbishop wouldn’t want to be accountable to a bunch of people he couldn’t control.
Sick sick sick sick sick!! And then they wonder why people are walking away and no longer believe in Christ.
weakland was one of the problems. plus, he destroyed a beautiful Cathedral
It was just a building! Instead think of the HUNDREDS of deaf and mute, read that again, deaf and mute children were raped, sodomized and tortured at the special boarding school. Years later when as adults they sought justice, this skank along with skank Dolan screwed these people their rightful settlement! The RCC clergy are mostly misfits who are drunk on power. I left the the Church and never looked back. The RCC does not have the cornerstone of Jesus. Ontological change, transubstantiation, celibacy, chastity is a bunch of man made bull!
Lotd, forgive those hypocrites of hatred Jesus demanded we love each other. Hatred of others is directly from the evil one. Pray for the unity of Christendom.
Pray for our priests… very sad. Thank you.
Like hell! Pray, if you believe in such stuff, for their victims.
1870 the year the church was closed the rest is outrage 😮
Saint pius X He was the last of the GOOD ones.
Yes, it's a monarchy.