FDA's War on Vaping
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Paul Blair from Americans for Tax Reform and Julie Woessner from Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives join guest host Mike Krause to discuss the FDA's war on vaping and smokeless products in general.
Keep us, the public, informed! My wife tried to quit smoking for twenty years...nine months of vaping, she and I have quit smoking cigarettes, and she now no longer has the desire to vape. We the public should be able to choose, and real voting needs to take place.
How did they get away with classifying vaping as a tobacco product when there is no tobacco involved at all??
If i had a mind to I could smoke tobacco out of a pencil, a carrot, a flower, a potato and literally an infinite amount of other things so should everything just be considered a tobacco product just to be safe?
They (FDA) took the position that while vaper products may not use actual leaf tobacco, the nicotine (if applicable) is derived from tobacco and so; tobacco product. Nice, huh? It's their wrongheaded reasoning that has created this mess. But I am glad you asked the question because it is a question that needs to be asked and answered numerous times to help educate people about what vapor products are, and equally as important, what they are not. They are not tobacco, nor should they be classified as such. Burning tobacco leaf smoke inhaled by the user is indeed harmful. I'm a former smoker so I'm not judging here, it's just a fact. But the FDA has purposefully confused and tainted this issue by lumping anything that looks like smoking with actual smoking. Sadly, their power to micro-regulate a product that is considerably safer than smoking has led to the mess we're now dealing with. Again, great question.
They classified it as a tobacco product, because the government regulates (aka-- gets paid for the sales of) tobacco products. With the "big brother" Democratic Party, who were in power throughout this timeframe (from the time any type of vaping/e-cigs really became available in the US [around 2009-2010], until this year-- 2017), they definitely weren't going to pass up this opportunity to cash in on vaping, and create more money for the lobbying groups, for their own personal "Foundations", and for themselves, generally. The Democrats have ALWAYS been DETERMINED to get their hands on EVERYTHING that the government's hands don't need to be on-- as just in recent years they did this, stuck their noses into healthcare (which has been a DISASTER, unless you don't wanna work, and want somebody who does work to pay for your insurance FOR you, along with their own-- i guess it's not a disaster for those people)-- and they TRIED to start "regulating" a lot more stuff they have no business messing with, like the internet, for example (which, the fact that the former administration wasn't able to completely control the internet like they wanted, might explain why that idiot who was president decided to turn over "shared ownership" of it to a bunch of, frankly, communist countries).
And for the "Trump is gonna ruin America" dude up there... Two weeks in, and the stock market was already setting ALL-TIME RECORD HIGHS, fwiw.
Ignorant as fuck
Cigarette buts in coffee, 😒
the FDA approves amphetamine edibles for six year olds, but god forbid a legal adult indulge in a perfectly safe product to relax
Great job explaining what the deeming regs will mean in a short amount of time
Fantastic job Julie and Paul. :) Kudos! Thank you :)
Thank you for this production
vaping isn't smoking & tobacco isn't just nicotine. Therefore vaping isn't a tobacco product.
not what the fda says. wish they had your reasoning for sure
Yeah, but the main source for nicotine in vape juice comes from tobacco, therefore, it is technically a tobacco product. Now how they get off saying that 0mg juice is still considered a tobacco product is purely dumbfounding. And to say that tanks and attys and all the other related hardware is as well....They are overstepping their bounds and need to be stopped.
+Michael DeCato absolutely and theres much credit to what you say. That's objectively the argument here. you hit the nail on the head. what's going to happen is there going to be a congressional hearing on it to throw things into place. Modern Day Prohibition of sorts. not exactly the same thing because theres no legalities of possession but it's a similar position to that of for sure.
Indeed they do, in fact potatoes where smoked before they were eaten....
When they make there own laws they could say chewing gum is a tobacco product.
Good job Julie!
GOOD show !!!
"Gently heats it" And I'm over here like....800 watts. lol.
lol
bro if u have a 800 watt mod holy shit my mod is 100 watt
+Electric Vehicles lol. I build some that will do 2000+.
damn that might be hot lol XD
buuulllllshhhhhhhhhite
I'm 46yrs old. I started smoking to be cool due to big tobacco saying it was cool. I smoked 2.5 packs a day and used an inhaler every week, it didn't even last me a week. I've stopped smoking for well over a year now and may use it 3 times a month an that's a maybe. with the help of vaping I don't smoke or me smell like a giant ash tray but my whole family would smell. not anymore. and these turds are stomping out vaping ? wow. makes u know it's all in the pocket an shit on the public.
vote for the right people in Congress and help support us vapers
Just let people vape man, if they let people use stuff like tobacco cigarettes, why can't they just leave us alone about vaping? Just because it's popular and contains nicotine??? I don't wanna be closed minded about this, but this is just unfair.
it's because it threatens Big Tabaco profits, and that is a mortal sin of the highest order.
I feel the need to stock up on vape products in preparation for prohibition in order to save my life. Is there already a blackmarket being set up I wonder?
You'll have to buy the PG/VG from overseas and make it in a bathtub. The bathtub is an exaggeration of course but it is possible to make flavors and the like yourself. I imagine it'll take off; however, it may also be dangerous depending on what is used.
I just bought $400 in rta's and rda's today lol
That's a lot of money! I personally couldn't afford to spend that much...not at all. I'm looking for affordable yet sturdy good RDA's to last me forever.
+Loren Robertson goon and velocity v2 are best quality but pricey! 50 for goon and 125 for velocity.. sadly even if you take good care they will not last forever. unless you find someone to machine you a few parts whenever they wear out. lol maybe 6 to 8 years if you're lucky.. if you want a mod that will last forever get a mech mod. not as good as a regulated box but will last forever if taken care of
Chris Pierce I had a couple of mech mods back a long time ago...and you're right, they didn't hold up. They were pre-magnet switches. Now I have but 3 mods to use, and would really like to have a quality box mod for the long haul. I'm sure if there's a will there's a way for us to get what we need regardless of the government...I mean criminals and druggies certainly have what they need. Right?
I'm vaping while watching this. Smoke free since 2011. Thanks to vaping.
the question over here is that how safe is cigarettes and alcohol for the general consumer? why are they not banned?
I wouldn't be surprised if the pharmaceutical industry is involved in this regulation policy. After all, they sell patches and other devices for those trying to quit tobacco and don't want unregulated vaping products cutting into their profits. Just a thought.
Vapor Delivery Systems (VDS) are just that: a way to deliver XXX using vapor as the transport medium. There are currently three distinct markets leveraging VDS right now: 1) AromaTherapy, 2) Type 2 Diabetic prescription, and 3) treatment for nicotine addiction. Therefore VAPING is not the culprit and not the threat being claimed.
Thank you for some #truthinmedia
Attention ALL Vape shop owners!
I know a way to combat this nonsense.
CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE!!
I urge ALL shop owners to place a sign on their front door stating
"No law enforcement shall be allowed to enter premises without a proper warrant".
You have the right to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY REASON.
This only works if we all stand together.
How about smokeless THC?
Love the way he said " big tobacco can afford it " Seeing they have about 5% of the market and soon to have 100% if these law start
I couldn't agree with you more. I appreciate the guests joining him and I think Julie does a great job with CASAA, but I wish that point about Big Tobacco had been crushed. Something like: "Yes, they will be able to afford it meaning the same industry that poisoned people for decades gets rewarded by owning the very product that was created to provide an alternative to Big Tobacco. If you're really quiet, you can hear Big Tobacco executives laughing their asses off from thousands of miles away."
Thank U for making even a dummy like me understand what's going on. Even why e-juice manufacturers are coming out so fast with new juices makes sense to me now. I'm admit I'm scared being a x smoker of 45 years, last cig was 9-2014, that I will not be able to vape or afford to any longer due to the FDA. Now I understand what the fight is about. THANKS
Vaping got me off smoking 20 months ago. I feel better and save thousand of dollars a year. Vaping can end the Tobacco Age. That's exactly what terrifies everybody who is tax supported. There should be no interference with smokers switching to vaping. What governments need to do is nothing.
Me and three of my family quit emediatly after using vaping after trying nicotine patches and gum they obviously don't work but vaping does. The government and tabacco industry also Big Pharma are losing billions because of vaping.
That lady is reasonable af
This is not just a vaping deal it is also a All tobacco deal all users should have the same rights.
thanks (A&R pipe Co.)
I. Like how the FDA can just put a non tobacco product and put it in the same category
nicotine is derived from tobacco
+Sam nicotine is ALSO derived from potatoes, tomatoes and eggplants. should we classify those as a tobacco products? fuck no. you know why? because its fucking ridiculous.
I wish that every ‘regular cigarette’ smoker would switch to e-cigs, but many of them say that e-cigs are too expensive to purchase compared to their toxic alternatives. The war against e-cigs and vaping ‘seems like’ a nefarious move from big tobacco to eliminate their competition from e-cig product manufacturers. Big tobacco companies only produce a small portion of the aggregate of all e-cigs and vape tobacco. So it’s possible that big tobacco is trying to protect their marquis product, the traditional ‘coffin nail cigarette.’
We now need to push Big tobacco to list ALL ingrediants in their tobacco products as well as create child proof packages for their cigs
Vaping is better than cigarettes
It's all about the $$$. Big tobacco is loosing $$ as well as the government losing $$ from the taxes.
Nicotine is found throughout nature, it's in potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant... and everyone test positive for it in their bloodstream. So nicotine is not just a tobacco product. It is related to the B vitamin, nicotinic acid.
If people want to vape let them vape! The fuck! Don't FDA let people smoke cigs if they want to? I do not understand those people from FDA.
DC regulates shit that should be left alone and de-regulate the things that should be regulated and watched closely. gives the image of doing something important.
Even spending that money for one product, there is still no guarantee the product will get approved on the FDA level.
Simple solution.tell the fda,fed/state/local govt to fuck off.find people that can make it locally & do what went on during prohibition.
Obviously the govt doesnt care if its legal,nor will they listen to reps trying to interveine.
They are no longer for,of & by the people,its a disgusting & tyrannical criminal organization bleeding us through the death of 1000 cuts & destroying our once good name by partaking in actions that none of us approve of.
We need to abolish the FDA. They make everyone's lives miserable with no health freedom. Even proving the product is safe is still gambling with those crooks at FDA and they could just deny it even after millions of dollars to get it approved.
What if you have no nicotine in your juice?
Tobacco product to the FDA
Let me get this straight. They're talking about the cost for the FDA application process. One guy says, so what? It's only big tobacco, they can afford this! And none of the two persons sitting there finds it suitable or appropriate to tell the audience (that's us, the viewers) that many or even most of the vaping-businesses are NOT big tobacco at all. Most of them started as small, some if them even one person only businesses who became bigger with success and the growing number of people, the vapers, using their products. Only very recently big tobacco seems to have serious plans to jump on this train because they realized that there is profit to make with vaping and they won't just stand by and watch others making this money. Also cigarette sales are declining and they can't afford to do nothing. But obviously the two vaping advocates saw no reason to mention those points...
As much as I hate the FDA those that ask how is a mod a tobacco product, well a bong doesn't have any tobacco in it when on shelves, however it's still classified as a tobacco product. That's what they did with mods. Now even with no nic juice, it's still a tobacco product. It's like putting paper in a bong, doesn't change what they say it is made flr
So with fda logic.. Soda has sugar in it.. Guys everything with sugar in it is now soda
if he's going to end up raising through all this raising the price on vaping products already that are too high
While I liked it, it does bug me that our side regularly tries explaining what is happening, and trying to talk about how it affects us... rather than immediately saying "It's wrong because we aren't even a tobacco product. In fact, vaping is getting more and more people to quit smoking which is why they want vaping stopped"... then you can go on to talk about what/how they're trying to wipe us out, and the consequences [to the public and health costs] if they succeed
The FDA is using the fact that nicotine is an active ingredient in tobacco. That's enough for them to say, "Any and all ENDS are tobacco products because they are capable of delivering nicotine to the user via inhalation."
It's bullshit, yes. But they aren't technically wrong. It's the FDA twisting words and meanings into something that "works" for them.
Right, but it's a technicality that doesn't hold up.
If that's the case then why aren't Pharma products (say, nicotine patches/gum/inhalers/etc.) that contain nicotine under scrutiny? Because trying to regulate vaping as smoking is the same as trying to regulate nicotine gum as smoking. Simply because vaping looks more like smoking, doesn't mean it's a tobacco product or that it *is* smoking.
But lumping vaping in with tobacco products is the only way that they could put it under the microscope, as the FDA has no authority (afaik) to regulate nicotine products like Pharma companies manufacture and like we, as vapers, use.
So it's truly blatant that they're just trying to shut the industry down because it's a threat to their profits. And problematically, the FDA is corrupt enough to play along when influenced by these other industries... Just look at the former director currently lol.
Also, 15,000 vape shops? I'm sorry, but that sounds like a low estimate! I know not every place in the country is fortunate enough to have a vape shop, but I can name 8-10+ shops that are open in my area alone (and I live in a small town, not in LA or NY or some massive cityscape...)
+J Venom Patches, Gum, etc are not Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS). That's how the FDA is forming this argument.
*****
Doesn't mean that it's a correct one.
+Sean Tinlin It's only if it contains nicotine. Many users vape 0 nicotine. Does the FDA have the right to regulate batteries and mods? They don't regulate bongs, pipes and lighters. They're over stepping the jurisdiction. Regulate the liquid, ok. They have no grounds to regulate mods and batteries. They are called mods because they started out being built by individuals, from flashlights. So how can they stop people from moding themselves? The FDA are dumb. This is going to create a huge black market. It won't be hard to find someone who can mod. I can if you ever run into a pinch message me. Good luck FDA, you fucking morons!
why dont they just explaine about this few countries putting pic in a pack of tabacco products on what would happen if you continue smoking tabacco.. then expalin about health... vs vapor products.
I easily quit smoking in less than a week with vaping and I smoked a pack a day.
Ron Swanson would be ashamed of our nation
This is nothing to do with smoking,tabacco,health it doesnt matter if you use nic in your juice or not.Its all about the Tabacco companys losing milions of $ every week cuz we vapers dont buy cigarettes every day.Example in my country a pack of smokes goes for about 3-5$...lets say 1 000 000 people around the world smoke pack a day.If half of those people quit smoking and start vaping those companys lose 500 000x5$=2 500 000 every day.And thats if pack of smokes in every country cost the same 3-5$
well lets vote for the right people that support vapers
Every company has multiple products which would cost multimillions even if they can afford the application the FDA would most likely not approve their product. Long story short FDA creates huge revenue and 90% of vaping products are extinct. It's a lose-lose situation for the vaping community, BT companies would start making their own products with harmful chemicals and it will be our only choice.
Getting Vape being regulated? What's next- All donuts being made must be regulated before selling them?
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
vaping 4 life. i love vaping and its better then cigs.
this fda wants to talk about health.. and test this vapor products.. do they even hear what they are saying.. why not test this tabacco products and let us talk about health.. for real..
be the first to invent organic vaping
its already done tho
Yet it's okay for fog machine to go off inside a Halloween store right...bullshit
Even though I hit like doesn't mean I like what the fda is doing. Please let vape dojo stay in buisness. I love their classic line of juices
just for the heck of it i wonder what trump thinks
good job moving the industry to china. I will just buy my stuff from there instead
I understand this video is about regulation, but why does no one know what is in the vapor produced from most E-liquids pulled through a heated atomizer!? You gave them both a chance to correct you but they didn't. At it's base it is the same stuff used in Fog Machines. Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin. It is NOT water vapor. Beyond that additional flavorings and nicotine are added in a very small amount. The _unknown_ danger lies in the fact that little research has been done on the chemical reactions and subsequent by-products by heating those flavoring chemicals and then inhaling all that into your lungs. Now, if you're interested, research the _known_ dangers of long term exposure to fog machines using Glycol based 'fog juice' by stage crews, of which there are actual studies that have been done.
PG is what they use in fog machines. VG is not in fog machines... and most people are starting to lean more towards in the direction of using vg anyway.
Thanks for your input.
Both glycerin and glycol are used in the creation of various fog juices. As well as a few other chemicals.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_machine
Most and I dare say a majority of e-juices on the market contain a combination of both glycol and glycerin.
VG and PG are also used in various medicines, human foods, animal foods and lotions.
Science is an interesting thing. Somethings that are toxic can be non toxic or even a cure (think using snake venom to cure a snake bite).
I really wish the tax guy would let the woman from CASAA talk. #mansplaining
Nishidake i know right damn
Gavin Paterson I agree Haha
95 to 99 that is some bullshit. id say 100 percet if you properly know what youre doing
Try and stop my mech mod. Woot woot diy vaping
Don't bulshit 😡😂
tobacco fucked up vape is healthy bruh !
No one knows what in this crap. Its more than just oil.
Propylene Glycol (also found in many food & medical products.)
Vegetable Glycerin (again, often found in food and medical products.)
Natural and/or synthetic flavorings (oh look, something else very common in food and medicine.)
Sometimes nicotine (totally optional.)
Other possible ingredients include distilled water and grain alcohol from the flavoring extraction process, most of which is usually removed in the process of producing the flavoring. Oils are rarely present in flavorings used for ejuice.
Flavoring manufacturers and even most major ejuice manufacturers tend to be pretty open with the ingredients of their products, and the list of ingredients for a single ejuice tends to be quite short. As someone who makes most of the ejuice I use, I can tell you exactly what is in my mixes. And I can tell you it's all far less harmful than what is in a cigarette. Hell, if you live in a big city, chances are the air is full of stuff that's more harmful.
Yes, there are some questionable ingredients in some of the flavorings, such as diacetyl (known for causing "popcorn lung") and acetoin (known lung irritant, to a usually lesser degree than diacetyl.) Often used for a buttery or creamy flavor. They are easy enough to avoid if the vaper is concerned about them. Fun fact, there is around 750 times as much diacetyl in cigarettes. Besides other respiratory problems associated with traditional smoking, popcorn lung is not one of them. Going by that, it's safe to assume that the much lower diacetyl content in ejuice is very unlikely to cause popcorn lung.
There are also a small number of people who are sensitive to propylene glycol to varying degrees. For those, it's not particularly difficult to find or make an ejuice free of it. Other than that, there's the standard allergies, though the protein chains responsible for allergic reactions to various food products tends to not be present in flavorings, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid that shrimp cocktail ejuice if you're allergic to shellfish.
Despite all that is known about ACTUAL tobacco products, I've noticed that the general public seems to have a far bigger stigma against vaping. Much of that ire is thanks to the media and groups like the FDA crying that the sky is falling while completely ignoring research that says otherwise, and the general public doing their usual nod-along. I suppose next you'll tell me my vape mod could explode in my face at any moment. To which I can safely tell you that is something else that was completely blown out of proportion, along with explaining Ohm's law, if you wish.
What a great response!
Mixing my own for over three years. I'm here to say that, I'm actually paying attention to what I put in my juice, and there's no 'oil' involved.
Nikki Jones YOU don't know what's in our ejuice, WE DO!! Vaping>>>>>>>>>>>>cigarettes by a loooooooooong shot.
Nikki ---YOUR IGNORANCE ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT ONLY GIVES THE GOVERNMENT MORE POWER AND GETS A LOT MORE ''MORONS'' YAPPING ABOUT THINGS THEY KNOW NOTHING OF!!!?? EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT A SUBJECT BEFORE FLAPPING YOUR GUMS----MAKES YOU LOOK DUMB!!!!
I'm 46yrs old. I started smoking to be cool due to big tobacco saying it was cool. I smoked 2.5 packs a day and used an inhaler every week, it didn't even last me a week. I've stopped smoking for well over a year now and may use it 3 times a month an that's a maybe. with the help of vaping I don't smoke or me smell like a giant ash tray but my whole family would smell. not anymore. and these turds are stomping out vaping ? wow. makes u know it's all in the pocket an shit on the public.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.
other plants produce nicotine. Let's just choose a different plant to extract our nicotine from. Then every rule they have is moot.