i fully agree, w the whale tail its much easier for someone to see your turn signals etc. i dont mind it as well. it def offers alot more protection while riding in the mud etc. alot of people dont realize that flush mount turn signals etc. make it harder for drivers to see what youre doing. im about safety and not getting ran over by someone. most prefer aesthetics over being seen while id much rather choose being seen personally. i dont know how some can ride w one mirror to me thats just nuts.
Chad Carter thanks buddy, not a new bike my nephew bought it. Figured I’d take a look at both side by side. I’m sure people who are in the market will be looking at both. I know I did when I was lookin to buy. I’m glad I didn’t get the fuerza tbh.
The frames are the exact same frame. Engines are slightly different as well as plastics. Put it this way its the same bike but one is stock which is hellcat. One has a few upgrades the ice bear. Upgrades would be stretched rear swing arm, led turns, and different gauge cluster on ice bear. I'm not into the stretched and lowered style personally. I will say that the icebear rides terrible. Its like it has no suspension at all. The hellcat is a much more superior ride quality. The hellcat seat is also much more comfortable.
@@parkersgarage4216 Thanks. I like the look of the Hellcat better. I would put knobbies on it and try to raise the front fender, to make a bit of an off roader. Definitely don't want the chin spoiler! They have different transmissions?
I do like the all the way down pattern cause it dont wear down the tip of your shoe, but its a pain in the ass when you get used to it because when you get a quad, instead of upshifting gears, are downshifting (because the gear lever go all up)
i have never worried about my shoe and tbh nobody should. i put 1500 miles on the hellcat and 3000 on my harley and my shoe is fine. yes, if youre a first time rider and then move on. the shift pattern is going to mess you up big time. any quad dirtbike motorcycle is generally 1 down X up. i didnt like it at all. the fairing under the engine vibrates and rattles and the bike rides like pure shit lol. the icebear literally has 0 suspension on it. the hellcat was way better in my opinion.
@@parkersgarage4216 i bought a cheap beand new Yamaha Semiautomatic 110cc In Mexico and the gears are down shift, i like the little thing so much is the only vehicle i use, i have used it 700+ mile round trip once. Im planning on taking it back home to California. It has 14,600+ miles on it so far
@@ImLazyToday lol I totally understand, I rode my harley instead of driving my srt charger. I realize I love riding motorcycles lol. The hellcat is what started it all. I figured buy the hellcat see if I liked riding. It was cheap enough where I wouldn't be out thousands of dollars to try something new. Well, turn out I love it lol. I was gonna buy a hawk efi dlx. I decided to go w a harley instead. If I do get a enduro I'd get a dlx hawk. Used Japanese enduros are expensive its crazy. I was looking at a orion 150xl as well.
@@parkersgarage4216 i know what you mean, i bought mine because i hated waiting for the bus when i went back and forth between my parents two little towns😅, so i bought the little 110cc yamaha, its a 2018, it cost me 1,200 dollars at that time which in the US it would cost at least 3 grand. And to be honest, i never knew i like riding it too. The Hawk i would buy it too, but im too short 😂😂
@@ImLazyToday lol, I'm not too tall neither I'm only 5'9. I'll never stop riding now though that's for sure. I will daily my harley once the snow melts. I have a gopro now so I'll be posting riding vids.
My best friend is 6'6 and rode the hellcat. It's rideable but your not going to be very comfortable lol. Your best chance is on a hellcat though. The fuerza will be too low and the suspension is terrible on it as well.
@@parkersgarage4216 appreciate the reply ! I think after all the looking into I’m gonna go with a KTM 200. Little bigger obviously and faster but will fit me and still looks like a banger 🤙🏻
@@jordanwelsh5710 if you're looking into that check out the hawk dlx. 250cc fuel injected dual sport. Best part is the fuel injection, street legal and its a dual sport. I almost bought one a while back. If I buy another Chinese bike I'm getting a dlx hawk.
What kinda deal? What did you offer? 200 miles isn't anything at all. My little nephew still has and rides his all the time. He rides it to work all the time.
@@clashenanigans2563 they aren't bad, there are a few things to change out on them. Main thing if you can turn a wrench you'll be fine. If you can't get a grom, best way to put it.
@@clashenanigans2563 depends really, for a grand to me no. Prob 8-900 max but that's just me. I bought mine as a first bike. After a week I wanted more power so I 190 swapped it. Lasted a month that way and went to a harley. I'm looking into a hawk dlx now. I prefer fuel injection over a carb. I like drz400 also, I'd like to try a super moto honestly. I think if you got the g to spend maybe go for a Enduro style bike. If it's you're first time riding I will say you'll outgrow it really quick. Depends on what you want to do really.
Parkers Garage it’s normally a mod done on sport bikes and an acquired taste imo will say tho if you actually care about lap times it is just a physically better shift pattern if your riding on the road or stunting it gets a bit annoying
The biggest benefit to a reverse shift pattern on the track is that upshifts are easier to make while you're still hung off the bike exiting a corner. This applies to both left- and right-hand corners, though for different reasons. It's best not to risk upsetting your motorcycle as long as you're leaned over to the point that traction is still an issue. This means that the combined forces of lean angle and acceleration are still able to spin the rear tire. Obviously this is dependent upon the power of the bike and the aggression level of the rider.
The Hellcat Is 🔥🔥🔥 It Even Made the fire trucks 🚒 come out #dope
I like the look of the whale tails better than that truncated look. Plus it's easier to see those lights and keeps all the dirt under there.
i fully agree, w the whale tail its much easier for someone to see your turn signals etc. i dont mind it as well. it def offers alot more protection while riding in the mud etc. alot of people dont realize that flush mount turn signals etc. make it harder for drivers to see what youre doing. im about safety and not getting ran over by someone. most prefer aesthetics over being seen while id much rather choose being seen personally. i dont know how some can ride w one mirror to me thats just nuts.
Great comparison! Thank you!!
Chad Carter thanks buddy, not a new bike my nephew bought it. Figured I’d take a look at both side by side. I’m sure people who are in the market will be looking at both. I know I did when I was lookin to buy. I’m glad I didn’t get the fuerza tbh.
Are these the same bike under the skin? Different engines? Or completely different bikes?
The frames are the exact same frame. Engines are slightly different as well as plastics. Put it this way its the same bike but one is stock which is hellcat. One has a few upgrades the ice bear. Upgrades would be stretched rear swing arm, led turns, and different gauge cluster on ice bear. I'm not into the stretched and lowered style personally. I will say that the icebear rides terrible. Its like it has no suspension at all. The hellcat is a much more superior ride quality. The hellcat seat is also much more comfortable.
@@parkersgarage4216 Thanks. I like the look of the Hellcat better. I would put knobbies on it and try to raise the front fender, to make a bit of an off roader. Definitely don't want the chin spoiler! They have different transmissions?
@@parkersgarage4216 Of course, no one seems to have any of these in inventory now.
@@gizzyguzzi that sucks bro
You know a better clutch for it the fuerza. Im need that motor mount. Take that bottom piece off 😂
Good review thanks
You're welcome thanks for watching.
I do like the all the way down pattern cause it dont wear down the tip of your shoe, but its a pain in the ass when you get used to it because when you get a quad, instead of upshifting gears, are downshifting (because the gear lever go all up)
i have never worried about my shoe and tbh nobody should. i put 1500 miles on the hellcat and 3000 on my harley and my shoe is fine. yes, if youre a first time rider and then move on. the shift pattern is going to mess you up big time. any quad dirtbike motorcycle is generally 1 down X up. i didnt like it at all. the fairing under the engine vibrates and rattles and the bike rides like pure shit lol. the icebear literally has 0 suspension on it. the hellcat was way better in my opinion.
@@parkersgarage4216 i bought a cheap beand new Yamaha Semiautomatic 110cc In Mexico and the gears are down shift, i like the little thing so much is the only vehicle i use, i have used it 700+ mile round trip once. Im planning on taking it back home to California.
It has 14,600+ miles on it so far
@@ImLazyToday lol I totally understand, I rode my harley instead of driving my srt charger. I realize I love riding motorcycles lol. The hellcat is what started it all. I figured buy the hellcat see if I liked riding. It was cheap enough where I wouldn't be out thousands of dollars to try something new. Well, turn out I love it lol. I was gonna buy a hawk efi dlx. I decided to go w a harley instead. If I do get a enduro I'd get a dlx hawk. Used Japanese enduros are expensive its crazy. I was looking at a orion 150xl as well.
@@parkersgarage4216 i know what you mean, i bought mine because i hated waiting for the bus when i went back and forth between my parents two little towns😅, so i bought the little 110cc yamaha, its a 2018, it cost me 1,200 dollars at that time which in the US it would cost at least 3 grand. And to be honest, i never knew i like riding it too.
The Hawk i would buy it too, but im too short 😂😂
@@ImLazyToday lol, I'm not too tall neither I'm only 5'9. I'll never stop riding now though that's for sure. I will daily my harley once the snow melts. I have a gopro now so I'll be posting riding vids.
Have you had broken motor mount bolts on your Tao?
no, when i bought it they came w the upgraded bolts. i also used loctite as well. i then switched to a 190 after 3 weeks and never had an issue.
What motor mounts bolts do you recommend
So the Hellcat would be a better buy if you are going to try to run some trails.
Absolutely
Let's see some more ZS190 adventure touring please.
I'd love to mike, I sold it and bought a harley. I do wanna get another one though.
What octane did you put in your taotao hellcat? 91 octane or higher? Or did you go with regular 87
I used ethanol free in mine. If you can't get ethanol free go w the highest grade available to you.
I have a question can you get a lower farring for the hell cat ?
The same fairing should fit the hellcat.
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one for off road one for the street
s. bones lol nah, the fuerza is my nephews he just got it. It’s his first bike
Wher can I get parts for the fuerza I need a shift lever
macho valentin kronikracing, venommotorsports, or perhaps tbolt. Depending on what parts you need. I’d contact kronik and venom first though.
Could I fit on the ice bear at 6’ 4? Lol can’t tell no one has them at stores around me
My best friend is 6'6 and rode the hellcat. It's rideable but your not going to be very comfortable lol. Your best chance is on a hellcat though. The fuerza will be too low and the suspension is terrible on it as well.
@@parkersgarage4216 appreciate the reply ! I think after all the looking into I’m gonna go with a KTM 200. Little bigger obviously and faster but will fit me and still looks like a banger 🤙🏻
@@jordanwelsh5710 if you're looking into that check out the hawk dlx. 250cc fuel injected dual sport. Best part is the fuel injection, street legal and its a dual sport. I almost bought one a while back. If I buy another Chinese bike I'm getting a dlx hawk.
I got a taotao db17 dirt bike that has the exact same shift pattern as the icebear neutral up top and all down from there and I hate it
Very affordable fun
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lmfao @ 6:54
😁🤣😂🤣😂
Didn't know taotao made these fuùerza
Fuerza is icebear, hellcat is taotao
@@parkersgarage4216 😂🤣 i was half ass asleep during lunch and didn't realized i typed fuerza 🤦🏾♂️ i meant hellcat.
@@ThePlanet_L.I. lol all good
Have an offer for a 2020 with 200 miles on the ice bear
What kinda deal? What did you offer? 200 miles isn't anything at all. My little nephew still has and rides his all the time. He rides it to work all the time.
Guy wants 1050 for it but I've never owned a China off brand
@@clashenanigans2563 they aren't bad, there are a few things to change out on them. Main thing if you can turn a wrench you'll be fine. If you can't get a grom, best way to put it.
Yeah I can just talking about like is it worth it
@@clashenanigans2563 depends really, for a grand to me no. Prob 8-900 max but that's just me. I bought mine as a first bike. After a week I wanted more power so I 190 swapped it. Lasted a month that way and went to a harley. I'm looking into a hawk dlx now. I prefer fuel injection over a carb. I like drz400 also, I'd like to try a super moto honestly. I think if you got the g to spend maybe go for a Enduro style bike. If it's you're first time riding I will say you'll outgrow it really quick. Depends on what you want to do really.
Lol it’s called a gp shift pattern it’s more meant for racing makes your shifts faster
Michael Foster lol I hate it, it feels completely retarded to me. Everything I’ve ever ridden has been 1 down ? Up.
Parkers Garage it’s normally a mod done on sport bikes and an acquired taste imo will say tho if you actually care about lap times it is just a physically better shift pattern if your riding on the road or stunting it gets a bit annoying
I think this explains the reasoning better
The biggest benefit to a reverse shift pattern on the track is that upshifts are easier to make while you're still hung off the bike exiting a corner. This applies to both left- and right-hand corners, though for different reasons.
It's best not to risk upsetting your motorcycle as long as you're leaned over to the point that traction is still an issue. This means that the combined forces of lean angle and acceleration are still able to spin the rear tire. Obviously this is dependent upon the power of the bike and the aggression level of the rider.
Michael Foster understandable on a race bike etc. not on a dd for me anyways. Thanks for the info though always appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼.
thats old 200s shift pattern
Oh yeah, didn't know that. I'm def not a fan of that nor the bike. It rides like shit lol. It's still running though and my nephew rides it daily.
The fuerza is race shifted like a moto gp bike. Im not a fan either