Diamond grinding wheel dressing, D Bit Grinder tools and more.

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  • Deckel clone/D bit grinder/single lip cutter grinder details. Discussing making Adapters/Arbors/Flanges/Hubs and an effective method to dress diamond wheels.
    See also making the Arbors videos, part 1: • Tormach CNC Lathe - Se...

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  • @thorepersson8509
    @thorepersson8509 2 роки тому +6

    Cliff, Tested and approved! Used a cheap oilstone and did what you did and what an improvement :) I had to speed up a little bit due to low tourque on my mini mill but still worked out great.And that nice feeling grinding on a wheel that actually runs true. Thanx again for the tip
    Thore

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +2

      Good to hear Thore. Thanks for taking the time to post that. Really good to have a reality check. Cliff

  • @nikhook1114
    @nikhook1114 3 місяці тому +2

    Excellent video. I've been in the trade for 42 years. I've done a lot of cutter grinding but have never bought the cheap wheels from China. However, I have just retired and am buying a used Deckel grinder (Cheap) for my garage, so will be buying those wheels too. Thank you for sharing your knowledge about truing the cheap Chineese wheels. I will likely have to use the grinder itself to true up the body and the diamond face of the wheel, cause I don't have another machine to do it on. Should not be a problem though. Some how I will have to fix a piece of oil stone either to the dresser or to the side of the tool holding fixture of the Deckel grinder to achieve this. Maybe this will help in the future, for when the wheel gets bound up with carbide. Just a quick way to dress the wheel without removing it. Only problem is the rpm will be too fast. Cheers!

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  3 місяці тому

      Thanks for the feedback! Cheers, Cliff

    • @be007
      @be007 2 місяці тому +1

      "Only problem is the rpm will be too fast."
      make a little adaptor on the wheel and drive the wheel with a cordless drill for slow rpm when wheel dressing.
      cheers
      bem.

  • @ROBRENZ
    @ROBRENZ 2 роки тому +7

    Nice work Cliff!

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Robin. Thanks for watching and your encouragement! Cliff

  • @rallymax2
    @rallymax2 10 місяців тому +3

    This video is more valuable than diamonds. I’m going todo it all!

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  10 місяців тому

      Cheers! Cliff

    • @rallymax2
      @rallymax2 10 місяців тому

      @@ThreadexpressI want to make some arbors for my Deckel SO. Do you think it's ok to make it from 1018 or do I need a higher carbon steel to heat treat it* - 1045 or 4140? *I don't have a heat treat oven nor a big oxy torch to get it hot enough.
      Steel (at least in the USA) is ridiculously expensive at the moment (despite the global steel trade collapse) so I'd like to use the cheapest possible. 1018, then 1045, then 4140.
      Are you considering selling them?
      If so, drop a note and we can chat offline.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  10 місяців тому +1

      Hi @@rallymax2 Yes steel in NZ is even more expensive. You don't really need to harden the Arbors or Arbor Nuts, they are not subject to extreme wear and tear and full hardening would mean distortion of the Arbors and so a need to then cylindrically grind them. From memory I only fully hardened the Arbor Nuts, and just tempered my Arbors to make them look pretty. So, I think 1018 would be ok - 1045 would be better, 4140 would be even better but a bigger job to machine it down. Cheers, Cliff

  • @robc2536
    @robc2536 3 місяці тому +1

    I just bought one of these Deckel knockoff grinders and the wheel run-out was horrible. I thought the spindle was bad. I'm going to give your wheel truing method a try. Thanks for the video.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  3 місяці тому

      Thanks - let us know how it goes. Cliff

    • @robc2536
      @robc2536 2 місяці тому

      @@Threadexpress - It seems to have worked well on cheap diamond wheel that came with the grinder. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 місяці тому

      @@robc2536 Thanks for taking the time to reply and give us feedback! Cheers, Cliff

  • @victorrussell6284
    @victorrussell6284 2 місяці тому

    Genius. I trued up my cup wheel on the lathe before seeing this video. I would never have thought of the stone idea to true the face though. It worked very well, thanks for that.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for your feedback. Cheers, Cliff

  • @gangleweed
    @gangleweed Рік тому +4

    It's the back face that makes the mounting of the wheel to the arbor run out or run true......radially it doesn't really matter, so if you place the diamond wheel down on a flat surface and surface grind the back face parallel the wheel will run true..........BTDT.
    If you don't have a surface grinder indicate the back face with a dial indicator ......or if you mount the grinding wheel against a face plate and lightly machine the back face it will work wonders.

  • @sharkbaitsurfer
    @sharkbaitsurfer 5 місяців тому +1

    I love this video, just had to come back to share my appreciation again, great work Cliff, thank you!

  • @0799davey67
    @0799davey67 Рік тому +2

    Just found this video. Already made some adjustable arbors for my clarkson tool and cutter grinder.
    I was previously dressing by hand using cheap stones.
    Excellent video, will be doing the same frome now on👌

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for taking the time to give feedback DG. Cheers Cliff

  • @Paul-FrancisB
    @Paul-FrancisB 5 місяців тому

    Cliff thanks for this video, it must be good to get the nod of approval from Robin 🙂.
    I have an old Alexander (English Deckel clone) and a couple of Chinese diamond wheels (that I dismissed as being almost scrap), so will definitely be giving this a go. I really like the idea of lapping/dressing slowly and wet as it's should be easier to contain abrasive dust in the slurry and seems much more controlled than some of the alternatives I have seen.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  5 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for taking the time to give feedback! Please let us know how it goes for you. Cheers, Cliff

  • @thorepersson8509
    @thorepersson8509 2 роки тому +2

    This was pure gold! as a hobbyist with limited budget I have also a few of these cheap diamond wheels and mine are also shockingly out of roundness. Finding videos like this is what make this hobby so much fun ! so today I will go down in my workshop and try out your method and if time allows I might make a tool for a tool that I will never use :)
    Thanks for sharing ,your videos are very educational and I am so grateful that there is so many skilled machinists out there who take the time to produce videos and share their wisdom to the rest of us.
    Merry Chrismas from Norway :)

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Cheers Thore! Good to hear I have reached a workshop in Norway! Let us know how it all goes. Cliff

  • @samrodian919
    @samrodian919 6 місяців тому

    That was an awfully informative video ! I made the mistake of trying to true up my first wheel with a single point diamond dresser! What a crock that was! lol it completely buggered the diamond, it's now got a total flat on the end. Well I learned the hard way, diamond hard in fact. I have a Norton India coarse/fine stone I bought as an apprentice church organ builder back in 1970 so it's 54 years old, ( it's 2024 now) and worn hollow as anything. I'm going out in the shed in the morning and going to attempt to resurrect it and resurface my diamond cup wheel at the same time . I think I will try the fine side first as that's the worst side for dishing and see how it goes. Thank you so much for posting this video.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  6 місяців тому

      Hi Sam. Thanks for taking the time to give your story, and some feedback.
      I would love to hear how it all works out. Cheers Cliff

  • @MarkW321
    @MarkW321 11 місяців тому +1

    I just bought a used D bit grinder. Great video thanks for sharing.

  • @smalltownrifleman
    @smalltownrifleman 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you very much for making this video. It helps me tremendously.

  • @davidharper4289
    @davidharper4289 Рік тому +2

    You are my HERO...............Cheers, Davo from OZ

  • @Preso58
    @Preso58 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks Cliff. I just recently bought the same grinder and was alarmed at how much run-out there was on the diamond cup wheel. I also have some wheels with smaller bores so it's good to know the arbors are easy to make.

    • @stevenclarke4228
      @stevenclarke4228 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Mark for shooting me the link!
      The tool for ejecting the wheels that I have in mind will be longer and have an 8mm shaft to get into the longer custom arbors. I’ll definitely be watching the other videos to see what taper angle Cliff came up with, as it was just out of shot in this video.
      Great video Cliff 😀

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Cheers Mark. Cliff

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      @@stevenclarke4228 Cheers Steven. Cliff

    • @rallymax2
      @rallymax2 10 місяців тому

      Hi Mark!

    • @rallymax2
      @rallymax2 10 місяців тому

      @@stevenclarke4228in the follow up video (Tormach and CNC Lathe - Set and Run. Part 3.) Cliff ended up on a chamfer angle of 5.8deg (11.6 included angle)
      ua-cam.com/video/KPnSJELK1JU/v-deo.htmlsi=5M5vN0VD6lzfD1Zm&t=721

  • @be007
    @be007 Рік тому +1

    this is a golden tip ! thanks for sharing !
    cheers ben.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому

      Thanks for taking the time to give feedback. Cheers, Cliff

  • @slotjocky69
    @slotjocky69 Рік тому +4

    and the other good thing is if you do two oil stones together you end up with two precision ground tool room oil stones and you don't have to buy any, once ground rub the two stones together and keep them as a matched pair so one job saves you money and they are just as good as the tool room precision ground oil stones that seem to be in fashion at the moment which cost hundreds of pounds

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому +1

      Hi. Yes good point. I think this subject deserves another video. Cheers Cliff.

    • @VoidedWarranty
      @VoidedWarranty 11 місяців тому

      Yes assuming you're very careful with the mill head tram. You can also do 3 and then finish them via the 3 plane metgod

  • @AlejandroHernandez-Matrix
    @AlejandroHernandez-Matrix 6 місяців тому

    Good way to dress a wheel without a dressing machine. Good video!

  • @brandontscheschlog
    @brandontscheschlog 2 роки тому +2

    Rob Renzetti has a video on using a piece of spring steel fastened to the bottom of the DTI With double sided tape. It works very well so you don’t wear out the tip

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Brandon - Thanks for your input. Yes I saw that video, his idea inspired be to make the shroud. Cheers Cliff

  • @cncdavenz
    @cncdavenz 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Cliff, Thanks for all your videos this year and a Merry Christmas to you and yours, Cheers Dave.

  • @lydwood
    @lydwood 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent idea, thank you for sharing! I have an old British Alexander D bit grinder, will try this on the Chinese wheels I've been sourcing!

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for taking the time to give feedback. If you have time.. would love to hear how it goes. Cliff

  • @marcosmota1094
    @marcosmota1094 Рік тому +5

    The slurry can be used for valves and rifle bolt/breech mating surfaces.

    • @evildrome
      @evildrome Рік тому

      Interesting... you could probably wash everything in alcohol after grinding maybe in a plastic tub, then recover the wash liquid, transfer to a smaller container, let the alcohol evaporate and you'd be back to just the abrasive + kero.

    • @melgross
      @melgross 11 місяців тому +1

      Only of you know exactly what’s in it. This is a random collection of stone and diamond particles without a specific size and cutting quality. You never use diamond missed in with something else.

  • @jeremylastname873
    @jeremylastname873 Рік тому +2

    In the lapidary community, we use an old red brick to dress bonded diamond.

  • @joeszabo4237
    @joeszabo4237 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks Cliff, that was a very cool vid!!

  • @taylor4386
    @taylor4386 4 місяці тому

    24:54 "that just jacks it off" 😂 also very helpful/informative video. The biggest downside to this method is getting abrasives (diamond being extra hard) in your ways. I would cover the ways with a towel over the way covers just to be on the safe side

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  4 місяці тому

      I must be innocent - that never occurred to me! Cheers, Cliff😀

    • @taylor4386
      @taylor4386 4 місяці тому

      @@Threadexpressyou're probably just an adult😅 excuse my child mind

  • @DudleyToolwright
    @DudleyToolwright Рік тому +1

    Great selection of tips. Thanks.

  • @rayp.454
    @rayp.454 Рік тому +1

    Very good information! Thanks for sharing.

  • @tomeyssen9674
    @tomeyssen9674 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this video....interesting. Enjoyed.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the feedback Tom. Cheers Cliff

  • @SGS_Engineering
    @SGS_Engineering Рік тому +1

    Excellent vid - thank you! I'm going to give it a go👍

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому +2

      Thanks for the feedback. Let us know how it works out for you. Cheers Cliff

  • @weldmachine
    @weldmachine 2 роки тому +4

    Hi Cliff.
    I also brought the Chinese copy of the D Bit Grinder.
    I guess we don't get a lot of choice on European brands this far South of the Equator.
    But the Chinese versions do a great job.
    Definitely one of the pieces of equipment that come in handy, but unfortunately only get a small amount of use.
    Always difficult to decided is it worth buying or not ??
    Like you my version also came from Machineyhouse here in Melbourne.
    Interesting video.
    Peter 👍

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +2

      Hi Peter. Thanks for your comments. Cheers Cliff.

  • @paulvanzweel8287
    @paulvanzweel8287 8 місяців тому

    Great and informative Video!

  • @johneriksson9990
    @johneriksson9990 2 місяці тому

    I think Your videos is very nice to watch, and IU try to watch every video You post. I am thinking that You could perhaps use that slurry from dressing Your diamond grinding wheels as a lapping compound. Just my tinking right now. Try it and come back with a conclusion.
    Best regards to You from John Eriksson in Sweden.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 місяці тому

      Thanks for your thoughts and feedback John. Cheers, Cliff

  • @evildrome
    @evildrome 11 місяців тому +1

    If I might suggest... most of the pain truing these wheels using the method you suggest can be obviated by mounting the wheels face down in the mill and truing the back face to the front face and then remaking the bore as concentric with the abrasive circumference as possible.
    Then all you're left with is any out of flat on the face & out of roundness on the abrasive circumference and aluminium body.
    Mounting these wheels using their "as supplied" bodies means correcting the abrasive to match the body.
    This is what I have done in the past to correct these wheels as far as I could before I found out that I could also correct the abrasive itself.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  11 місяців тому

      Makes sense...thanks! Cliff

    • @rallymax2
      @rallymax2 10 місяців тому +2

      @evildrome I was thinking the same. I have 2 wheels coming. After truing up the cone runout, it may end up that to get rid of the concentric error in the middle 20mm bore that it needs opening up, but if that's the case I guess you could open it to, say, 25.4mm (might as well make it an inch) and use a bushing. That way it's easy to put on the mill using a common R8 1" gear cutter arbor.

  • @localele1
    @localele1 2 роки тому +1

    Nice job Clifff, but now you will need a tapered arbour to mount the wheels and their adapters before truing them up again.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Micheal. Yes I was thinking about that, but concerned the taper may not take the torque needed to dress the wheels. Please post here if anyone tries that. The system I used did give quite good concentricity, but it needs a bit of care. Cheers Cliff

    • @localele1
      @localele1 2 роки тому +1

      @@Threadexpress As you have already taken off the bulk I think that the load will be fine.I don't imagine it will actually be out by much anyway but it is always best to true the wheels on the arbour they will live on.
      A test on face runout after mounting each wheel will tell the story.

    • @localele1
      @localele1 2 роки тому +2

      @@Threadexpress I also watched a bloke finish turn the adapters and thread them while mounted on a taper adapter in his lathe and can't imagine you would need any more torque than that operation.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      @@localele1 Thanks Micheal. Sounds like it would work. Cliff

    • @localele1
      @localele1 2 роки тому +2

      @@Threadexpress Just finished my tapered arbour and " trued " the 600g CBN using your method and it was fine.Now I need to get some steel to make a batch of arbours to hold all my wheels.It is good to be prompted to do these jobs as too often we neglect to make the things for ourselves which will make life easier in the workshop.As a reminder for all don't forget after truing to dress the wheels to expose some nice sharp grit.

  • @martybadboy
    @martybadboy 7 місяців тому

    Great vid, m8. Thanks!

  • @bernhard_derProtoTyp
    @bernhard_derProtoTyp Рік тому +1

    very cool! thanks for sharing!

  • @bikefarmtaiwan1800
    @bikefarmtaiwan1800 Рік тому +2

    Excellent - took 30 seconds to subscribe !!!

  • @yekhorsnyezhko2526
    @yekhorsnyezhko2526 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks, nice method!

  • @zvonibab
    @zvonibab Рік тому

    awesome information thank you. Cliff

  • @356B
    @356B Рік тому +1

    great work thank you

  • @ccbproductsmulti-bendaustr3200

    👏👏👌

  • @kooldoozer
    @kooldoozer 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you Cliff. I did not know you could dress diamond wheels at all. Does this also work with CBN wheels? ??

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      Hi There. Yes I think it will work on CBN wheels because the stone only has to cut the wheel bond. Please let us know if you try it. Cheers Cliff

  • @roguecnc788
    @roguecnc788 6 місяців тому

    👏 👏

  • @jonludwig8233
    @jonludwig8233 2 роки тому +1

    Very nice Cliff, thanks!
    Do you think this is effectively producing a "precision ground flat stone" as a byproduct? I.e. the grains of the oil stone are sheared off and blunt. Maybe not super flat though, could be dished if the mill isn't perfectly trammed. The grinding wheel is probably trued up nicely though.

    • @klw141
      @klw141 2 роки тому +2

      It did produce a very flat stone but will not be as precise as you can get from a surface grinder. I wouldn't use in on my surface grinder mag chuck but I would on the Mill or Lathe.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks for your comments Jon. Yes good point the grains in the oil stone may be blunt. I must do some post dressing oil stone cutting trials. I suspect the soft oilstone bond will soon break down and expose new sharp grains. Cliff

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +1

      @@klw141 Thanks for your thoughts Khris. Cheers Cliff

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  2 роки тому +2

      Hi again Jon. I used that ground flat stone recently to sharpen a woodworking plane blade and it was nice to use and cut really well! Cheers Cliff

  • @user-hw2uk4lb1e
    @user-hw2uk4lb1e 10 місяців тому

    Весьма полезный видеофильм, спасибо.

  • @notoioudmanboy
    @notoioudmanboy 3 місяці тому

    Trying to work out if it's worth buying a grinder, looks like I need a mill and a lathe first.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  3 місяці тому

      Yes they would be more important in most shops. Cheers.

  • @VoidedWarranty
    @VoidedWarranty 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for this! I need to make some hubs too, do you remember the taper spec?

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  11 місяців тому

      I found I had to fine tweak the taper to get a 100% match on the spindle. So an exact angle is not much use. Cheers Cliff

  • @mughalsons2254
    @mughalsons2254 Рік тому

    Hy sir can i use this granding wheel on iron for 4mm deep slot.

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому

      Hi. These type of Diamond wheels are graded for Tungsten Carbide and are not an ideal abrasive for steel. Especially if it is unhardened steel. Cliff

    • @mughalsons2254
      @mughalsons2254 Рік тому

      @@Threadexpress yes i know its for carbide tungsten etc but I don’t have any idea for soft iron i make 4 mm slot in soft iron rod dose it work like horizontal milling machine

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому

      @@mughalsons2254 Hi. In soft iron it will likely glaze up quickly and stop cutting. Cliff

    • @mughalsons2254
      @mughalsons2254 Рік тому

      @@Threadexpress so u know any other wheel whos working perfectly and wheels long life stable

    • @Threadexpress
      @Threadexpress  Рік тому

      @@mughalsons2254 Hi - Yes, a more open grey or white Alum Oxide say 46 grit would be much better. You may have to track one down from a grinding wheel specialist though. Cliff

  • @pauljarine
    @pauljarine Рік тому

    Ahaha! F your indicator tips! 😂