12 things I love and hate about the Harley Davidson LiveWire | Love Hate Sandwich review
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- I did 1,000 miles in 4 days on an all-electric Harley Davidson LiveWire, so I thought I'd do a quick-fire review listing 12 things I love and hate about it. How's the headlight? What's the real-world charging time? Will it get you da hunniez? If you're thinking of buying one, give this a watch. Even if you're not thinking of buying one, watch it because it's just nice. Thank you.
The American outback lol never heard that before
I'm not a biker but I've been driving (and public charging) EVs for about 7 years. Firstly, you're right, the UK charging infrastructure is rubbish due to a lack of good policy and incompetence. If it was taking an hour to charge the bike, something was wrong. A typical charge for that bike should take about 10 minutes. The LiveWire battery apparently has a usable capacity of 13.6kWh which means it would theoretically charge from 0%-100% in under 20mins at a 50kW rapid charger (like the Ecotricity charger, which was taken over by Gridserve btw). But, you'd normally only charge to about 80% on a rapid charger and not from zero. The maximum rate of charge is determined by the circuitry in the bike and there are currently no EVs that I know of that can take full advantage of a 350kW rapid chargepoint. If the LiveWire could, you'd be looking at a charge time of around 1 minute!
Like a lot of people, I'm surprised that HD has been so quick to enter the electric arena but they've done the right thing. As a side note, and as a non-biker, I can't wait for all bikes to be electric simply for the reduction in noise pollution. What bike enthusiasts called 'sound' is, to the rest of us, just the incredibly intrusive droning noise of someone practising scales on a trombone.
When you were talking about the brakes I noticed the branding on the tire too. I also feel it to be... un-needed.🤣
Yeah it’s a bit much isn’t it?! No one needs that
I bought a 2020 Zero DSR and it lasted 2 months before it died, permanently damaged the battery (which Zero told me they won't fix), then DIED AGAIN 7 MONTHS LATER. Zero makes shit!!
Great review. Tested one today in Paris. Got off my Zero FXE and onto the Livewire One. It felt so stable and planted and was so much more chilled than the 135kg zero. I love my current bike and mainly ride in heavy city traffic but I think I'm going to take the plunge and get one. The Del Mar is about to come out and one was available to sit on, but I prefer the looks of the livewire and it left me itching to ride it more. I don't usually do long trips so I'd be happy charging it overnight in my garage once a week, if that. The only downsides I felt were slightly tiring on the wrists and I felt like I'd got off a horse after one hour but I'm sure I'd get used to it.
use cruise control
@@greenrush4313 I do😊
Very interesting review. I test rode one the other day here in the states, and it was an amusing experience to say the least. The bike was great, but there was zero love or interest for it at the dealership. It was sitting alone in the showroom with like 20 miles or less on it. Only one single model and color in a showroom with probably 50 other bikes. In the time I was there, even with a very large crowd of people milling about, no one-- I mean no one but myself-- was checking the bike out at all or asking questions about it. Harley riders are not part of the EV crowd at all. They are still using ancient technology for nostalgia and image. How is the LiveWire viewed in the UK? Any more interest for it there?
I think your experience/observations are whey Harley decided to spin the EV models into a separate division - they are now targeting a younger demographic that is more conscious of electric vehicles. Even now at the end of 2022, I still have people approach me that there are electric motorcycles - even though they have been around here in the states since 2008 with the first zero motorcycle. This is still the very early stages of all this EV stuff, it's nowhere near the public domain yet - maybe in 3-5 years it will be more mainstream.
Lol
Everything sounds so much more official with a British accent !
Great video
Thank you kindly 😂
Your short coming list is subjective. Your charging networks are not the bikes fault. Attention is bad?? Right, it is first generation technology. Right it is a Harley, they are all expensive. We owners love ours, and yes, it’s not my only Harley. ⚡️🇺🇸😎🇺🇸⚡️
It’s not a subjective list at all, he said clearly, the bike can’t fast charge on more powerful chargers. It’s first generation tech for Harley, other E-bike/car manufacturers have decades of experience and electrical expertise. Harley are great but not perfect and there are definitely shortcomings to owning one now. Range, price and weight all come to mind, just to start.
what does it cost to charge?
depends on where you're located. In most places, it costs more to run a refrigerator than it does to charge this bike overnight. Here in the US, most of my full charging sessions were around $4-5 USD, but it's quite rare to ride all the way to empty, then fill all the way up - not the most efficient way to travel on an EV motorcycle
He sounds like Alan Rickman... His narrative grows on me
The LiveWire has a small battery with a useable capacity of just 13.4 kWh.
Clearly, it needs double the capacity, at least. With improved power density, this will be available, in a few years . . . .
A 7 kW home charger should charge the LiveWire from 0-100% in about 2 hours.
It looks like Harley have limited the maximum charge to about 15 kW.
This is less than one third of the capacity of 50 kW chargers.
Harley probably did this to stop you cooking the battery.
If the LiveWire could accept the full 50 kW then it would go from 10-90% in 15 minutes. The last 10%, from 90-100%, is always very slow. Even on a mobile phone!
It's a 7KWH onboard charger so unfortunately that's the limit. Also if you only charge to 80% you would be out of there twice as fast. Charging is very slow passed 80%
...onboard charger is 1.4kW, same speed for Level 1 or Level 2. CCS is offboard if that's what you're talking about.
@@stevenday2067 wtf…that’s way too slow.
Those damn dummy SOFTWARE engineers at Harley Davidson and their shabby charger codes could NEVER figure out the complex algorithms required for electron transport with a 350 KW charger!
Which is pathetic, cause all that's required is to download extra RAM from the cloud and encrypt your optical GPU until javascript segfaults the virtual CPU.
I mean, c'mon guys. Basic stuff.
They haven’t even enabled RTX!
You'll need an infinitely brighter light than that to even find the American Outback.
But CHECK ME OUT, I found the Wild West with nothin but a flesh light.
I’ve only got one word that comes to mind watching this review….right.
I’m right?! Thank yiu
@@timrodierides cheers man XD
Wunderin.. How much dollars/lbs/euros to charge ?
About .92 cents to charge at home, and roughly $4-5 USD on fast charging stations
I was interested in the Livewire until they announced the price. I dont think they will sell many, most people will buy a Zero instead.
Price has dropped considerably
@@AdventuresonZero So it has.. the 2022 model will drop the £15k HD name decals from the tank.. the uk price is not yet confirmed so the HD name may only prove to be worth about maybe £12k.. but it still makes the bike a lot more affordable. I wonder if you can buy the HD decals at the parts counter for £15k.
Hi, did you ever buy it? I've been considering purchasing this as my first motorcycle just for work, etc., to save money on gas.
@@n8tiveashii No, according to the HD UK website it still costs £29k. Where is this non-HD branded half price version that was promised?
Thanks. Really useful information, especially on range and charging time.
I live to serve!
Just saw this bike in person at the dealership (US), a white model, and it’s a stunning bike! Looks absolutely gorgeous in person. Has a futuristic look while still retaining a classic Harley style
Thanks for this video. I sort of wonder if I would feel vulnerable being so silent in traffic.
and now?the livewire will be 16000gbp without the harley badge.
Its affordable now.
@@Shah_creates indeed ,however,i know someone who bought the hARLEY BADGED ONE FOR £28000,whats it worth now?half or less.
Two things that just kill the electric motorcycle concept is of course the battery and charging issues. Battery doesn’t last long enough, ie. range, and it takes too damn long to charge! For electric bikes to really make it they need to fully charge in 30 minutes or considerably less preferably, and it needs to last twice as long or more, 200-300 miles at actual highway speeds 70-80mph. Of course the technology for that, if it even exists, is a ways off at this point. Like you said; at this point the electric motorcycle is a toy for the rich.
Except 95% of journeys are below the range of these bikes. They serve a purpose and are the future.
The Energica electric motorcycles charge in 30 mins, however the range is similar to the LiveWire. It won't be for a few more years before the battery tech advances to achieve that range.
I understand all this electric scooters, electric motorcycle it’s all about saving gas I get it you guys solved that. Here’s my another concern. Since it’s electric cars don’t hear you but, you’re there. For safety can they put speakers with module with different sounds of motorcycles so that cars they know you’re there. I hope they thought about that.
To be honest, I don't think loud pipes (or noises) save lives, but attentive drivers save lives.
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Expensive Piece of Crap!!!!
So I hear
i have one to,all Black, the longer i have it ,the more Hate , charging problems, charging problems, charging problems,, last night for the second time it totaly failed me! then the fance display say's phone servise ! and thats all you get! dead in the water, raining , did not even get past the 336 km range, need to get it home, and the dealer has to pick it up for the second time!! for a 34,000. euro Bike!! but the riding is phenomenal !
Very useful video, thanks. It was between this and the Pan America. Defo the PA, can't be faffed with all the charging.
The attention is just on the novelty. It will dial down, hopefully.
$8,000 not a penny more =))
you need to watch Freddie dobbs on youtube where he ride Harley Davidson livewire to london
Whats the comfort like? I can't tell for sure if the riding position is upright or not. I wonder if there are any handlebar mods or anything to get to a 0 degree upright riding position. Comfort to me is number one, and I think a lot of Harley rider do care about comfort.
It's very upright, with a bit of a stretch to the bars
The riding position really depends on height of the rider. I'm 6'1 and I lean forward just a bit, yet still an upright position. I find the seat to be a little on the harder side, especially the rear pinion - my girlfriend finds it uncomfortable. The suspension is fully adjustable though, so it improves the riding comfort significantly.
I will never buy an electric bike
Over an hour to charge......well thats killed that idea then
Sadly…
I bumped into journalists and presenters for the motorbike show at a local Tesco with one of these and two others and they seemed genuinely pleased to talk about the bikes they were reviewing. I ended up making my excuses to leave 😂
As far as the charging time, its the same as putting fuel in a tank. Only so much fuel can flow into the gas tank at a time.
Charge time, range and costs are ALLLLLL going to improve as scale goes up! The future is now!
Chevy bolt is $30k brand new and charges in under an hour as well. Gets around a 250 mile range. For the...same...price. Cool bike, but to expensive
Enjoying this "rides stuff" channel. Big question tho... What is the filling in your love hate sandwich? Marmite?
You Really need to see this Video! "HD Livewire Deathtrap"
55-60 mph isn’t gonna work for my daily commute.
Petrol
Hey friend. Do you get much water spraying up through that little gap on the rear fender?
yes there is some overspray from the rear fender. The newly branded LiveWire One was fixed this issue. If you have a H-D Livewire, you can reorder the fender, which comes without the hole.
Nope!!!!!
What’s wrong Tracey?
@@timrodierides different kind of bikers over here in the US!!!!!
@@tracey38999 open-minded ones?
@@timrodierides 🤣😂🤣
What license do you need to ride one of these??
A motorbike licence!
@@timrodierides haha I meant what kind! I have an a1 license and I have no idea what electric bikes I can ride 😂
250kg ??
yep!
would be nice if you could speak english
What do you mean?
@@timrodierides I couldn't understand you
@@darrellcollins877 That's interesting! Where are you from?
@@timrodierides USA, I see that your in Europe somewhere. Im not digging on you, i was just interested in hearing your opinion and was frustrated because i couldn't understand you.
@@darrellcollins877 ah, sorry you couldn’t understand me - I’m always interested to hear where people are from! I’m English, so hopefully my English is actually ok…
Oi mate, is that bike electric?
sho're is dere, guv'nah!
How many hours to charge?
Fast charger = ~1 hour for ~100%
they are getting there with technology slowly but still needs a lot of work to make it right.....honestly i would never buy this bike...no exhaust, no bike :)
livewire is not a real harley davidson
Because it is electric? Harley D are losing a lot of customer because they are dead or old people. They have to Chance .
What IS a real Harley then?
vector6977 all not electric harley's are real harley's
@@vector6977 A pointless noise device designed to annoy and deafen anyone under the age of 40.
Your point has as much substance as me saying a Harley isn't a real motorcycle.
My 2 things-
Love: It's electric
Hate: It's electric