UPDATE: People have been messaging me and telling me the Ronnie said on stream recently that the venues canceled the show on them, and not the band. I have not seen said stream or a clip of it, so take that as you will. That being said, a venue straight up canceling a show without the band's production team being involved in the conversation is incredibly rare, and while I am not a part of their tour and can't tell you what happened in this situation, I would venture to guess that both parties were involved in a lengthy discussion about production aspects and at the end of the day, the venues could not (or would not) accommodate what they needed to pull off their show.
I guess the amount pf pyro is a factor. The show is "hot" indeed, I went in Barcelona. And the venue wasn't super big. What they did is they put only one level of pyro instead of a few levels as they did in the bigger venues in Madrid and Portugal.
@@kaiguz26 Why didn't he write this in his original statement? Not that he has to, but it would immediately avoid confusion and speculation about the situation.
@@icyphotopyrotechnics is becoming bonkers nowadays. We have normal pyro and whole fire pits now. Add in a “floating stage” setup and the security/safety check prior to every show is just doubled, if not planned for - doors will be late…ParkWayDrive had encountered this recently- had to delay doors and even cancel supporting act because of this delay…
As a french who leave in Boston since September, this is incredibly true. A state is the size of a country but it's much less populated so it doesn't have the same urban network density
Yeah i can drive from my hometown in Southern germany all the way to the north sea coast in less time than some people need to drive to another state in the US or another province in canada. All depending on traffic of course, but even the train ride to the uboat museum in bremerhaven takes less than 9 hours... by car that would take around 7.5 hours. The USA and canada are insanely large compared to europe.
16:30 I was recently preparing an indoor festival show for one of the bands I do FoH sound for and when talking to the festival staff I was told I couldn't bring my own sound desk because there's not enough space at FoH and they don't want desks being moved through the audience mid show etc etc. And I told the band and their management that I just straight up refuse to do a show for this specific band on a house desk, especially if it is a desk I don't know inside out. With that the band told the festival that they had booked a certain production that is detailed in the tech rider (which is part of the contract after all) and either they make the rider possible including my sound desk or the show was not going to happen. There are things one can work around. But other things are so essential, they can't just be removed from the production and still put on a show that everyone (especially the audience) is happy with.
@@whitneyryan-ng1cq I think about seven bands and we were dead center. But I actually don't think that matters. They booked a specific show and signed a contract that included a rider. Something that basic as a brought in audio desk should be quite obvious whether it works or not. If it doesn't: don't book that band! If you do book the band: make it work. Also I knew the venue and their console, plus I also had experience with precisely that festival and their staff, so I was in an excellent position to judge whether the show could work with the house equipment. And I said: "Heeeeeell nooooooo" 😅
The real problem is not the cancellations, because like Tank said, no one WANTS to cancel shows. The problem is the vague explanations given that tell fans nothing. If you just say "Due to production issues" or "Due to unforseen circumstances" it smells like bs because it tells you nothing. If you give a very specific reason (to the extent that you can for privacy/legal), people are much more likely to be not only understanding but supportive. "One of our buses had a mechanical failure and half our crew got stuck in another country so we couldn't build the stage in time" is much better than "We had an unexpected logistical issue"
@@nobodyimportant7804they are not the ones who are canceling the shows. Ronnie has come out and said he isn’t doing it. The band doesn’t even set up tours. It’s the tour promoters and the bands agent that set it up and cancel shows not Ronnie or any band has a say.
@@DanaWilson-qf9rrI’m a die hard Ronnie fan too but at this point it’s a pattern. They have cancelled at least 4-5 shows this year. I was terrified my show would be canceled as I drove there
I recently had the fortunate opposite of this issue. I bought tickets for Within Temptation for a venue in Oslo that can take like 1000-1500 people and then they upgraded to Spektrum which can take around 8500. The screens they brought wouldn’t even fit laying down in the first venue. Ended up with a badass show.
@ I’ll be honest, I haven’t really been going to too many concerts so I can’t really say yet what I prefer. The next show I have tickets for is a 650 capacity venue watching Imminence, Allt, Night Crowned and Fixation, so that will be cool.
The funny part is that they compare it to bad omens cancelling entire tour. Only diff is that bad omens canceld with a reason and apology. And ppl did hate because of the cancel of bad omens. Saying no one was mad at them is pure copium. And he is canceling on the same day without any reason or Statement 😂 I get that its not all ronnies fault but you cant defend him at this point. But most of his fans are just defending him no matter what he would do or say. They dont have own opinions and just copy paste what ronnie says
Even if there are legitimate reasons for cancellation, that doesn't change the fact that Falling in Reverse is building a reputation of cancelling shows, and that people have had bad experiences with Ronnie time and time again. This is a business, and this business keeps cancelling on their clients - in most industries, the "why" being a legitimate reason doesn't negate the fact that cancelling on your clients isn't cool. Saying "well I get your frustration, but it happens" when people have bought flights, hotels, etc. takes away the responsibility from the very well-paid people in charge to arrange a tour with more planning and forethought, so that there aren't going to be 3 more shows cancelled in the first place. Ronnie is still going to sleep a millionaire, while the fans are left high-and-dry.
Good points here. I am like FK the production. Its a music show. Show up and play your music (if you can). I don't know if he can to do anything without his laptops. I mean, people just want to see their bands play bangers live. Whatever FIR does, certainly doesn't fit that criteria or has the criteria changed?
@@mineofilms I mean I love good production, don't get me wrong. I just think that *something* is lost in the world of live music when you cancel your rock show because of production issues. When you hear "sorry we can't play because they won't let us have fire" it's like, aren't you a band, not a fire show? People saw Silverstein at a VFW in Vegas this year at WWWY and it was probably the most memorable show of the weekend for them
@@bphil1994 I totally agree. Someone else suggested just play a few stripped down and personal shows. I also like this idea. I have never been a fan of FIR. I also do not like SOAD or Linkin Park. I mean they are alright for pop/rock bands. I wouldn't lump them in with metal, but I get it. Its ok to NOT be super arena rock, over productionized show. People still need to see/hear the music played live. My bipolar cannot handle this LOL... I prefer smaller shows.
It would be nice if bands with big productions could have an alternate plan for smaller venues. Back in the 90s, I watched GWAR and KMFDM in a small club venue in Palo Alto, CA. They both had big productions, but it was nice being able to watch GWAR close enough to be in the splash zone anywhere in the club (the smash a lot of stuff full of fake blood for their theatrics).
They can't because they don't have the skill. They need the big production because THAT'S the actual draw. Without all the driver aids they'd sound like shit lol.
Parkway Drive have done shows with scaled back or no production before to accommodate for smaller venues. They don't do that as much now though, as they can play big enough venues in most markets to be able to use their full production setup.
I saw GWAR once in a venue that was not big enough for their show. The stage is tiny and the audience even in the back rows are still right there because of the way it’s set up. It was actually really cool because everyone was within the splash zone, but the stage is so small there that there was risk of someone falling off trying to do that sort of stage show. I think it was the tour managers mistake but they still played there. I also recently saw Till Lindemann at a venue that had only 5000 capacity. I loved that because of course Rammstein itself have to use giant arenas, and his solo band will play small places.
@ Yeah short version basically he accused tank of using Ronnie for clout so tank doesn’t review any of his music or videos anymore pretty sure Tank has a video about it somewhere if you care to look
@@Warchild0311 If Ronnie Radke were in a SAW trap, and he had access to Google, his first search would be Ronnie Radke. He's so full of himself, and so full of shit, that there's literally no way to tell where the shit ends and he begins.
@@Warchild0311 The guy who used his own mugshot as an album cover thinks someone is looking for clout? Tank isn't a female, so I doubt he has much to worry about, physically.
This is exactly what happened in Charlotte, NC. They booked a small venue that would require them to scale down their production and Ronnie doesn't want to do that. The reality is that FIR could do an extremely scaled down show in these small venues instead of cancelling. It is highly unlikely that these venues could not handle a non pyro extremely stripped down production type show.
That's not what happened in Charlotte. Ronnie said what they were told and what they got didn't match up and the stage was unsafe (no overhead lighting truss, position of the pyro and drum area, etc).
@@crit-c4637 that venue had zero cancelled shows all summer including shows right before and right after the FIR date. The venue is small so totally understand no pyro, so do the show without pyro. Fans flew in, drove hours, and booked hotels. I'm pretty sure if the only option was to see FIR with no pyro and very minimal lighting that they would choose that over cancellation.
@@MrRandytheRam But if I'm paying the same price that bigger production shows are & getting less- that's ass! I'd be pissed! Seen them in Chicago in September & let me tell you they put on a hell of a show!! WITH the pyro & the whole production!
Depending on how the whole production is structured it may not be possible to scale it down on the fly to match the venue in many cases. I'm talking only about the technical aspect of being able to do it, then there's the whole point of "does the band actually want to do it based on how the show would end up being", which is another thing to consider
Speaking of venue-size, at the tailend of Covid, and you still couldnt travel, Sabaton made a swedish tour where they played at every(ish) smalltown in Sweden with a lot of venues -2k people that usually holds only garage bands.
As a fan with a basic understanding of what bands take on tour, the idea that downscaling for smaller venues can’t happen doesn’t make much sense to me. I’m there to see the band whether it’s in a stadium, an arena, theatre, or even a bar. Just to throw a random band in there. I’d be super happy to see say The Rolling Stones in a bar. I’d watch ZZTop play on a street corner. I’m not there for the “show” so to speak.
I never said it can’t happen. Bands do it all the time. But they’re touring overseas and may not have the capability of downsizing with their current production setup. But, I’m not out there, so I can’t say for sure.
To your point @ 14:40 , from a pure business standpoint I'm a little mystified why you wouldn't have two set-ups... one for larger venues & a smaller one for the half-dozen venues you know will be smaller. Cancellation due to unforeseen events (like the artist getting sick) is unfortunate but understandable, and you can mitigate some of the impacts... but venue size is an entirely foreseeable factor that should be considered when planning your production. This whole "upgrading" thing just seems like bad business all-round, because it's not just the fans you're impacting but the web of connected businesses... the venues, local hotels & restaurants, catering & transport companies, etc. I've been going to shows since the 90's & have friends in the industry, and it hasn't been uncommon for bigger artists to play the odd "intimate" show or have a pared-down production option during a tour because of logistics - especially on overseas tours. Fans are _much_ more tolerant of getting a smaller show without all the bells & whistles (even if they're paying the same amount) than having the show cancelled. They even become highly sought-after tickets because you have a chance of catching a unique show. Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the nightmare of logistics and know how minor issues can become major problems... but that's also why the whole "upgrading" idea (especially with short notice _and_ touring across multiple countries) is such bad practice. You're creating a whole cascading effect that will ultimately end up damaging your brand in the long run... and if you have a reputation for cancelling, you'll find the cost of doing business starts to sky-rocket pretty quickly.
I think maybe its an opportunity for bands to take a look at their overall show and ask what's really important. Is it the 5 million lasers, the massive pyro and all the gimmicky things. Or maybe is it time to scale back the circus and just be a band playing good live music at a venue in an uncomplicated way. There's always room for spectacle at big arenas and such, but people used to just go to concerts to hear the music. I think plenty of people will go even if they know its just them and the band. Hell, I think people would probably go just because it is them and the band.
I experienced the "Lesser Production" for Rammstein in Chicago in 2022 where they couldn't do the pyro over the crowd for Du Hast. Kinda bummed me out a bit as that is one of the parts of the show I was looking forward too. That being said I'm still happy I got to see them and would love to see them again when/if they do another US tour. . . . just not in Chicago.
They also moved the Warsaw gig to Łódź in Poland due to the concert requirements according to the organizer in Poland. Maybe their show has some technical requirements for the places and where they can, they switch arenas and cancel shows where they can't move them to another place
thank you for your comment. Thanks to you, I found out that the show was moved to another city >_< I’m traveling to a concert from another country and I’m happy that I can change my logistics in advance. It would be a shame to miss the concert because of this situation
@@lolozavra I'm travelling alone from the other side of the country, already booked a hotel and now I have to book another hotel and lose money on the first. It's not nice news but hey, there must be something going on on the negotiations side that we don't know about it. Something that forces them to make these changes. See you at the show! Glad you can make it in the end :)
I had tickets for Tilburg. I am from Belgium and took a day off work to make sure we could get there in time. FIR is one of my favorite artists and the only one that I have never seen live. I was extremely excited for it! On previous tours I have never been able to make it. When it got cancelled we looked at the other dates that weren't sold out but unfortunately I couldn't get the day off work for Cologne and the other venues were too far away to plan on such short notice. I do understand that sometimes things have to get canceled due to technical issues, but when it happens a lot you start to have questions about the planning.
So, I get sometimes things happen. But if they keep happening, is that really unforeseeable any longer? I guess what I'm getting at is... at some point if you do keep having production/tech cancellations... it may be time to take a look the production manager, promoter, etc... This is show business. The show must go on. (Outside of safety issues, etc...). Productions will always have some challenges and 'less than' performances but cancellations should be rare events. Note: I understand the talent gets sick, injured, are human, etc. Thing happen. But things shouldn't happen all of the time.
I wanted to go to the show in Germany, but for me it was suspicous from the start. I know the venue and if you follow FIR for a longer time, you know they cancled shows before, because the venues were too small an they couldn't set up their whole show. So in my case I bought Tickets to another concert too. (Told friends about my fears for a cancellation, but they didn't listen to me) If you believe what Ronnie said on his stream, he didn't even know it was canceled in the first place and he said that the venue is to blame for it, they wouldn't have turned down a sold out show. And in the case to said show I wanted to go, I can totally understand that they couldn't have brought all the gear on that small stage and gurantee for safety espacially if you consider the flames they use. Soo it's sad, but I wouldn't hate on the band. If you want to hate on someone turn it on the management or the venue.
Lol I seen FIR in Grand Forks ND. There was maybe 2k people there and he didn't cancel the show. His words during the show he was quite enjoying himself that night. I find it hard to believe he is canceling shows just because of the size of the venue
@vince939 I've been to the alerus center a bunch of times throughout the years for different events. I even played a couple high school football games there. The place isn't that big lol. Yes I know there are smaller venues. But definitely not substantial
It’s lame as hell for a band to book a tour, fans spend hundreds of dollars on tickets, hotels, flights, whatever else, and the band cancels a show because their video monitor doesn’t fit through the door. Seems like this is what’s happening. Ronnie’s ego getting in the way and he only cares about himself and his image and couldn’t care less about out the fans. Set up your instruments and play.
Charlotte resident here! SUM41 did pyro at the same venue, so I doubt that was an issue. IIRC Ronnie said in a response post that the stage was too cramped, no room for openers to use their own gear/drum kit, etc. There was a rumor that they thought they booked the larger local venue that they played when they opened for A7X, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere. We were refunded.
Ronnie also said the pyro would've been next to the drum kit, the crowd wouldn't be able to see the drummers, and there was no overhead truss for lighting so they'd all be in the dark.
@TanktheTech If you ever have some time, I'd love a video about the logistics of booking a tour, what goes into it, just so I can link it to people who complain about a band not doing a show near them
I'd love to see this too! So many people in Australia complain about the price of festival tickets, but I find them to be cheap when compared with bands doing headliner shows for almost the same price as a ticket to a festival. I'd love to know what's involved in logistics for small venues vs arenas vs festivals
On cities getting missed... Florida is not only routinely missed, but skipped. It is very expensive to tour in Florida, since you have to go further south just to turn back around and go north again to get out of the state. Because of this, bands will likely book only one or two cities about half way through the state and then leave, or just completely skip it. Logistics are wild.
@@corinna007 Bigger tours usually hit Quebec as well. That said, Evanescence/Halestorm/The Warning just hit 10 Canadian cities in two weeks last month.
“Production issues” is not a reason to give to your fans. Give a clear explanation to the fans that already bought your tickets. It’s a slap in the face to your loyal fans. Just tell them “the set we brought with us doesn’t fit in the venue, and we want to give you the experience you deserve”.
To that I say: you should have realized that before you started selling tickets. If you can know that when you “advance” with the venue during the tour by having a phone call, you can know that ahead of time too. It’s a lame excuse.
@ also correct, eventually it IS a money grab. Ticket sales go through the roof, thus, upgrading all venues to get more money in, it is as simple as that. They could’ve just play all the sold out shows and return next year with a properly planned bigger venue tour. One will say it is just capitalizing on current possibilities, the other will say, it’s a money grab not giving a shit about those 7000 fans that bought tickets to the smaller venues.
9:45 Former Local from Würzburg here. @Tank you hit the nail with no bigger venue for würzburg. There´s the Tectake Arena (former Homeground for Dirk Nowitzki) but it´s not very suitable for concerts.
@@Scoutwalker96 Local from Würzburg here, pyro is possible in that location. Maybe they would have to scale it down compared to a stadium sized pyro show but i have attended shows in that location with pyro. Funny thing, the day before FiR AILD was supposed to play a show.
The Posthalle is a nice venue and being from Nuremberg (100km away) I'm often jealous for the gigs the can get there which means that those bands don't play in my hometown and I have to drive to Würzburg. But the Posthalle is always on my radar for tours, same for Geiselwind and the L.A. in Cham.
You're right! When the tour was planned, it was not clear that there would be so many fans and correspondingly many ticket sales. I have tickets for Berlin and there it was initially a smaller location with 3,500 people and then it was upgraded to a stadium with 12,500 people. I was a little sad about it, but it gives more people the chance to see them live. By the way, I found out today that they will be playing at many festivals in Europe next year. I always go to the NovaRock Festival and they are already booked there, so I get to see them twice. 🥳🥳🥳
In 2015 I had the opportunity to see Five Finger Death Punch, HELLYEAH, and Nothing More at the Covelli Center in Youngstown, Ohio. It had to be cancelled but they did come back and the headliner(FFDP) told everyone who had tickets to the previous show to bring their stub or proof of their ticket and they get in without having to pay again. The original reason for cancelling was due to the size of the Covelli and they had to rework the show to make everything work out.
Small anecdote to add. As Tank said sometimes bands outgrow the venues before the tour starts. One of the places i work has three small venues 500-1300. The issue is that the next largest venue is 6 hrs away. Usually we get larger bands in the smaller venue as we do have a sizeable population and can support higher ticket prices. Anyways we had Noah Kahan booked (not announced) for an outdoor 300 person show. He released an album. Stick season happened and there was no way we could fit him, even in the slightly larger indokr venue So it was struck. This stuff happens.
but that depends on where you are. European countries tend to be a lot more densly populated than, for example the US meaning more venues to chose from
more population density also means a lot more venues. like if I draw a circle of ~ 1 hour travel time around my house, I have concert venues to seat tens of thousands of people. (and big cities are far more abundant than in many parts of the Nighted States.) Let's see Lido Festsaal Kreuzberg SO 36 Bu Nuu Supa Molly Cassiopeia Astra Kesselhaus Zitadelle Ballhaus Naunystr. Hole 44 Columbia Theater Columbiahalle Arena Treptow Uber Arena Uber Music Hall Huxleys's Waldbühne Wuhlheide Olympiastadion Alte Försterei Velodrom City Cube Max Schmeling Halle Tempodrom and I am fething sure that I am missing a ton of venues right off the bat at the moment because they tend to book other styles of music than the ones I buy tickets for. if you really think that in heavily urbanised zones or where those urban areas are rather close together (population density) that you will not be able to, months in advance) find alternative places, or can even get stuff like videos of the facilities there. Heck, the next city of 1 million people is ~a 3 hour ride away by bus for several hundred thousand people, it is less.
Well it's one thing to cancel shows some time in advance when you notice that these venues can't fit the bigger production. But Würzburg and Vienna have been same day cancellations. This production must have been planned months in advance, same goes for the booking of the venues. Sure, I agree, unexpected things can happen and lead to a cancelled show, but we're now at four cancelled shows this tour? And to make things worse, after you've spent money on hotels and transportation, you get insulted by the lead singer for asking why the show got cancelled Ronnie is disliked for a reason. He literally only got asked "Why did the show get cancelled?" on a live stream and he berated that fan for three minutes straight, calling him a cunt and what not. I really love your videos, but couldn't disagree more about Ronnie. He's ungrateful, disrespectful and the way he treats people with lifestyles or opinions he doesn't agree on is just horrible.
Local from Würzburg here, what I just don't get is that a tour has to be planned in detail. So how is it possible to take a look and get the info about the venue in Würzburg and deciding that it's possible to play there, book it, sell all tickets (first show to be sould out) just to take it all down days before to that? It's not that they didn't knew all along what the conditions were there. It just leaves a sour taste on people despite the band is the reason or not.
I just want to point out that truck drivers can't drive unlimited hours. It is heavily controlled by law enforcement, so that 11 hour drive is not "Easy." These are the main limits. --- Driving Times Uninterrupted Driving After a driving period of four and a half hours, the driver must take an uninterrupted break of at least 45 minutes, unless they take a rest period. This break can be replaced by a pause of at least 15 minutes followed by another pause of at least 30 minutes, both interspersed within the four and a half hour driving period. Daily Driving The maximum daily driving time cannot exceed 9 hours, except for twice a week when it may extend to 10 hours. Weekly Driving The weekly driving time must not exceed 56 hours (a week is understood as the period from 00:00 on Monday to 24:00 on Sunday). Biweekly Driving The driving time over two consecutive weeks cannot exceed 90 hours. Thus, if one week involves driving for 56 hours (the maximum allowed), the following week can only include 34 hours of driving, since both together total the maximum of 90 hours.
@@davidb4935 What do you mean chud? I don't do virgin speak. If you refer to your LGBTQ whatever nonsense, then majority of European countries don't like that sh*t either.
Tank is right! Falling in Reverse is a business, not a group of artists. It makes full sense that they just auction themselves off. Go to a small venue and support the bands that really do want to play.
Production question: I've seen Avenged Sevenfold a few times on the same tour. One location was an arena, another was an outdoor venue that was smaller. It looked like they just scaled down their production since the larger one they used (more screens) wouldn't have fit. The show was still basically the same. You said that FIR upgraded their venues, so their production setup followed suit. But they canceled the smaller venues possibly because their production wouldn't fit. Couldn't they just scale down and not set up as much stuff, while keeping the vibe of the show? They booked the small one in the first place, so I'm assuming they would have already had the production setup to match that size. (Unless planning hadn't gotten that far so they never had a smaller prod setup planned 🤷🏻♀️).
I was very surprised at the 1st announcement, Switzerland 1st choice was a tiny one (2000 cap) then 15k (half empty). I think some cities weren’t full. I don’t know who messed up but some cities weren’t good (venue options). And as we know ronnie it’s all or nothing, it’s a show (tiny, 50min playing)
a point I'd like to bring up regarding venue size, although i know it from two venues, not all of them: when the tour was announced, Zurich was initially planned for a venue that held roughly a 1k capacity club (X-Tra), a couple days later, it was upgraded to the Hallenstadion, a ~13k capacity arena....similar numbers were in another location (can't confirm it myself, got the info from a friend, so take it with a grain of salt)....it may be possible that the venues were an issue in regards of production or what was planned for the shows, however, it is again some speculation from my side as well, but it is a thought that came up immediately when i heard about the cancellation
There could be lots of issues which led to these cancellations. The odd thing with the one because of the laptop is that they didn't have file backups which could be used. You'd think that would be thought of on a tour that size in case of a failure or laptop going missing.
Pretty sure he said that a crew member had put their main laptop with the backup like an idiot. I'm sure that guy got chewed out and fired and they have since made sure to have a better backup plan lol
People saying they should just do a scaled down show forget that FIR actually needs their big production to distract from the fact their lead singer has the stage presence of a wet towel.
In the US, you can do an 8 hour drive in one night. In Europe, especially that part of Europe, we have these things, you may have heard of them, called "bends." They make 8 hour drives impossibly tiring. Plus EU laws make it almost impossible, as you have to have 30 mins rest every 4½ hours, and 11 hours rest for every 9 hours.
Disregarding the subject matter: I really appreciate you giving your chat credit for corrections. Big sign of mutual respect and your intent of doing things right.
when i worked with The Hu band their production manager was pissed cuz they couldnt set up the entire production and could only use half of what they brought, so of the 6 trucks they brought, yes we unloaded 6 trucks and then reloaded 3 of them cuz what they wanted to use was on the other trucks so i can understand cancelling due to the venue not being able to support a full production, the same venue also had Creed and of the 4 trucks they brought, we used 2 trucks..so ya..their production was set for arena shows but the venue isnt an arena..it is what it is with bands these days now though..
That's crazy to me. I get that they want to use their full set production but at the end of the day they are musicians, and the fans would much rather see them play on a blank stage with zero production (that isn;t to do with the music) than not at all.
A lot of people seem to overlook cancellations because "refunds were given". If someone traveled several hours because the band doesn't go to Root n' Scoot, Arkansas and had to get a hotel to catch the show then they are out that money. I realize that is on them but it's not as cut and dry as it being no harm, no foul when a show is cancelled.
I’m a die hard FIR fan and these cancellations are getting wild! Ronnie might not like me saying this but it’s not a good look. Especially only posting the announcement on social media stories so people can’t comment on it and most people won’t even see it. I can’t imagine being in line to see a show and discovering it was canceled because it decided to check Facebook. Ronnie needs to say hey I’m sorry this is why this happened. That’s all. That’s not asking for a lot..and it’s not a good look calling your own fans babies for being upset over this :)
I do a lot of TM/FOH tours and I fully understand this. I’ve come very close to canceling shows due to tour requirements. It always came down to what the contracts say and if we can negotiate and meet in the middle. We never wanted to cancel ANY shows because we need the money to pay for the bus, crew and tour expenses. It’s so expensive to tour right now.
I just looked it up because I was curious: The show in Switzerland was supposed to take place in a ~2k capacity venue before they moved it to a ~15k capacity arena due to high demand. Maybe they cancelled the smaller venues on the tour after trying to upgrade to a larger venue and being unable to?
Don't forget, As I Lay Dying also just cancelled an entire EU tour, but they had a perfectly reasonable reason and explanation and communicated it fully and perfectly with their fans.
No they didn’t. 4 members of the band quit before As I Lay Dying even officially addressed the tour cancelling. Hell, venues were already contacting people telling them the show was cancelled and the tour info was still on their website site and social media.
Shoot, we were supposed to have them at OBC Reimagined here in Vegas October 26, 2024, and one month before the concert, everyone gets emails that it had been cancelled solely because they *all of a sudden* couldn’t be there. It was sharply disappointing.
I went to their show in Bosto , and the scenery is really important in their shows. This is basically a spectacle like you see for bif pop artists, more than a metal show
As a truck driver I got a bit sick when I saw the travel route. :D But I get this venue issue with the door. Several times on delivery I had customers who claimed the loading zone fits a truck and are suprised when I come around with my 26t truck (12m long, 3.90m high, 2.60m wide) and minivan is no worthy messurment.
Surprisingly, many people who aren't chronically online care (& some who are dont either) about that. He still fills large venues and sells out big tours. His EU fans were begging him to tour in EU. Among the industry he's still pretty powerful reason you see so many of our favorite artists keeping ties with him despite the bs 😒
10:00 I don't think there are bigger places around Tilburg. 013 is the largest non-commercial stage of the Netherlands and Tilburg doesn't have any bigger commercial venues. You might have meant that there are bigger places in The Netherlands, which obviously is true but those wouldn't be available 2 weeks from now.
What a bullshit. Ronnie just cancelled the second concert in Prague “due to unforeseen circumstances” saying THEY had to “make a difficult decision”. That’s just disgusting attitude towards their fans
Here in Zurich they moved from Xtra(a small-ish venue ~ 1'500 cap. to Hallenstadion wich is the biggest veue in Zürich wth 13'000-15'000 cap. With a massive floor... It seems like a massive logistical change, like the set-up time must have been expomentially longer right?
Mwuahahaha 😈 My wifes favorite band that I secretly hate! This warms my heart. ❤ A word of advice for the boys: Don't argue with your lady over pointless shit. I will silently take this win today.
Ah finally someone in the same boat as me. She loves them so much and I'll admit that some of the music is catchy, but goddamn. All the lyrics are about how he doesn't care that no one likes him, and how dare they not like him, and what he could do to the people who don't like him. Did I mention no one likes him? Because he hasn't in the last 2 lines of lyrics.
@@scottwagner2566 I knew nothing about them until I noticed that whatever song that was playing was Ronnie crying about people not liking him, so I looked him up. Now I don't like him and actively avoid him and him bands.
I realized last min that the Warsaw show got moved to Łódź, thankfully realized soon enough to make the 2 hr drive, and was able to find a hotel. Was a minor inconvenience. Full refund was offered to those who wanted. It did make me curious as to the reason for the move, so was cool to hear your perspective as to why these things happen. End of the day, was a great show!
I was at the concert in Berlin yesterday and i am so glad they upgraded the venue. With all that pyro and the big screen and how the stage is constructed - i can't imagine this concert could have happened like it did at the first venue they choose. Not at all. They had this little behind the stage "pyro show" - this also couldn't be done in the C-Hall like they did it in Velodrom yesterday, there is not that much space and safety wise it would have been a major issue. The show atm is not for small venues. C-Hall would have been a capacity for around 4000 ppl, they upgraded it to the bigger, nearly sold out Velodrom. However, they had a technical issue yesterday night ( could have been a part of the show somehow, actually its hard to tell but they had a 10-15min break during the concert) - maybe its an actual issue we don't know about (yet) behind the scenes that may or may not could have influenced this decision. Update - read the update 😅 ok, if the venue cancelled the shows everything i had in mind doesn't really make sense. Glad they got a gig in Prag instead, it sucks for fans and the band when shows are cancelled. Easy to blame Ronnie for everything i guess 😅
On the Charlotte cancelation Ronnie responded on tik tok to someone, that is constanstantly up his ***** and also a general piece of crap to people, that the stage was unsafe, had no overhead truss for lights so they'd be playing in the dark, the place for the drummer would end up being close to pyro and all the bands would have to share a drum kit because of how the stage was set up. This "arena" is at the Music Factory, which has been known to sometimes no have their ****** together.
I remember about twenty years ago a Rammstein show got cancelled while we were all queuing up waiting for the doors to open, and it was due to production issues. They wouldn't have been able to put on their full show as intended with all the pyrotechnics, so the show got cancelled at the very last minute.
Ronnie does POWER vocals. Really, POWER vocals. I took some vocal training, did a lot of choir in school. So I learned about what can happen to a voice that is strained, overworked. Also the Hell of performing with any kind of illness. Been there. Gods. Nope, not gonna bust his chops for listening to his body.
If a vocalist is doing vocals that are physically hurting them, they are not a good vocalist. None of the screaming Ronnie does should be hurting him or causing damage to his vocal cords. If it is, he isn't doing it right. There's a reason why a band like Avenged Sevenfold had 1 album with screaming before having to stop and yet deathcore bands have 8 albums full of screaming and growling with no issues. It's all about technique, and his technique is obviously not very good.
The biggest room in 013 in Tilburg has space for 3000 people. It was impossible to get tickets. 3000 people is peanuts for bands that play in bigger venues most of the time... The Netherlands has plenty of 'arenas' to play in and bigger venues, I was surprised that they had booked 013.
The issue with a whole tour being cancelled before it starts is that there is a lot of time until the shows. It is the bands and acts that are cancelling 1-2 days before that are getting crapped on.
Just his ego cant fit for those stages...but for real, as someone who saw what went down in Budapest, there is no available arenas at the moment here. But at least Hollywood Undead will play a full set ❤
‚Take a day off in Stuttgart‘ lolol as someone who lives near there, that is not a place to take a day off in. Dirty, unsafe, not much to see… there’s some nice places sure but nah I’d recommend Mainz maybe~ btw I know this doesn’t really have much to do with this vid but I just had to throw that in there 😅
pretending there's no legit reason to dislike Radke is the reason the metal space/scene isn't as diverse as people claim to want. just like with the previous vocalist from Lorna Shore, or with Tim Lambesis. you can't ask for diversity while rehabilitating hateful people and messages just cause they don't affect you or the majority of the active public. it'll stay like that forever if people keep doing this. anyways. enjoyed your content for a long time, Tank, you're one of the few music talking heads i can still listen. but yeah just... figured you would've seen that side more instead of always brushing it off as "haters" (which he seems to love so idk why complain about it constantly). people can be both talented, and also, hateful. just cause someone's good at something doesn't mean we should accept behaviour we wouldn't tolerate in any other space.
I never once said Ronnie was a perfect person and I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, but you can't tell me that people aren't biased when stuff like this happens and they start flipping out just because they don't like him. This dude gets more hate than anyone in the metal scene and a lot of the time it's people making up stuff to be mad about.
@@TankTheTech i understand and agree with that, it's gonna happen if you love getting attention on twitter constantly, it's gonna work both ways (and even so i was with him with the laptop bs lol). but yeah, ofc it happens. im talking specifically at the acting like people hate him for no reason at all. even if you ignore the "legal issues" part of his wikipedia, you can't blame me for disliking a guy who actively tries to attack a whole community on their media, and then acts like a victim.
013 Tilburg is my homebase. Been too so many bands and events there. Lots of bands bigger than falling in reverse with big productions played there. Big stages They have loading docks for trucks at the backside. So i dont buy the argument their production wouldnt fit. The stage is huge. The venue is very professional and up to modern standards.
It amazes me that people still like this band. They weren't even good in their prime, now they just have a braindead frontman who says and does controversial shit for attention because that's easier than being talented.
Guess I just don't understand the idea of canceling because the full production doesn't fit. Let me put it this way: my favorite band is Sleep Token. They've been playing massive shows in the last year and are now a Download headliner. If I had the opportunity to see them in an 800 cap room with less production, that would be even more special to me than a 10k+ arena with all the spectacle BECAUSE of the fact that I get to see them in such a small environment.
Sometimes people have a reason to hate, he has the right to be an arsehole, and everybody else has the right to call him an arsehole, Actions and consequences after all
The routing is kinda bad in parts. Going from Prague to Budapest then to Warsaw and back to Vienna is basically driving the same way forth and back twice . And playing in Prague instead of Tilburg means 1500 people more capacity and appr. 1000km less driving! Barba Negra in Budapest and Posthalle Würzburg have small stages so they would have to cut down on production and use a small stage set. Not to forget: they make more cash with the upgraded shows and maybe can simply afford paying the running costs on those extra 2 days off.
Typical Ronnie being a diva “the stage is too small”,”the sound isnt right so I’m not playing”, “nobody is showing up so let’s bail” the same thing over and over again.
I had tickets for Tilburg.Their booking agency and management collectively fucked up. My friend works at the Dutch venue and he told me FIR cancelled just because they could make more money in Prague. Like your content but you’re being waaaaaay to nice. Radke’s ego didn’t fit a 3000 seater….I’m done with them. It’s more tape than live anyway, let’s be honest. I was a fan because of Luke Holland and Ronnie is a decent rapper and that’s rare in metal. But I’m done with them after hearing the true reason. Eminem blew up late 1999 and he was booked at Melkweg, you know the venue. He HONORED the contract and just brought a smaller backdrop and props on stage.
anyway, cancelling legit 3 days before the concert cant be the solution...many people dont get back their money for hotel etc, and i have to spend 100 euro for a booked hotel now too, because cancelling that shortly wasnt possible anymore.. i went to more than 150 concerts and festivals in my life and never experienced such a mess like this.
the manner in which this comment was written tells a lot. why would you even focus your energy to hate enybody. i dont know the guy, but i guess hes not exactly fkn hitler, is he lol
If ronnie said the venues themselves cancelled the shows then I guess I believe him. On the other hand cancelling because the production cant be done makes sense to me, I saw them last week in Madrid and many parts of the show heavily rely on the interaction with the crowd and the size of the venue. I would 100% believe that they cancelled because they literally cant fit everything everywhere, pyro included.
It wouldn't surprise me if the venues cancelled because of demands that the band wouldn't budge on to do with production etc. So while the venues technically cancelled it's because they had no choice. That's just speculation on my part.
UPDATE:
People have been messaging me and telling me the Ronnie said on stream recently that the venues canceled the show on them, and not the band. I have not seen said stream or a clip of it, so take that as you will.
That being said, a venue straight up canceling a show without the band's production team being involved in the conversation is incredibly rare, and while I am not a part of their tour and can't tell you what happened in this situation, I would venture to guess that both parties were involved in a lengthy discussion about production aspects and at the end of the day, the venues could not (or would not) accommodate what they needed to pull off their show.
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I guess the amount pf pyro is a factor. The show is "hot" indeed, I went in Barcelona. And the venue wasn't super big. What they did is they put only one level of pyro instead of a few levels as they did in the bigger venues in Madrid and Portugal.
@@kaiguz26 Why didn't he write this in his original statement? Not that he has to, but it would immediately avoid confusion and speculation about the situation.
I call bs on that. Hollywood undead and sleep theory booked their own show at the exact same locations to make up for it
@@icyphotopyrotechnics is becoming bonkers nowadays. We have normal pyro and whole fire pits now. Add in a “floating stage” setup and the security/safety check prior to every show is just doubled, if not planned for - doors will be late…ParkWayDrive had encountered this recently- had to delay doors and even cancel supporting act because of this delay…
As a german, the fact Tank realized the Ü missing in Würzburg is just awesome. Greetings from Germany
The Americans forget how close things are in Europe. The Europeans forget how MASSIVE the US is...
As a french who leave in Boston since September, this is incredibly true. A state is the size of a country but it's much less populated so it doesn't have the same urban network density
Canada is bigger, and we usually get skipped altogether, except Toronto.
@@corinna007Canada has landmass but something like 90% of the population lives within 100 miles of the US border.
@@corinna007yeah Canada 🇨🇦 blows
Yeah i can drive from my hometown in Southern germany all the way to the north sea coast in less time than some people need to drive to another state in the US or another province in canada. All depending on traffic of course, but even the train ride to the uboat museum in bremerhaven takes less than 9 hours... by car that would take around 7.5 hours. The USA and canada are insanely large compared to europe.
16:30 I was recently preparing an indoor festival show for one of the bands I do FoH sound for and when talking to the festival staff I was told I couldn't bring my own sound desk because there's not enough space at FoH and they don't want desks being moved through the audience mid show etc etc. And I told the band and their management that I just straight up refuse to do a show for this specific band on a house desk, especially if it is a desk I don't know inside out. With that the band told the festival that they had booked a certain production that is detailed in the tech rider (which is part of the contract after all) and either they make the rider possible including my sound desk or the show was not going to happen.
There are things one can work around. But other things are so essential, they can't just be removed from the production and still put on a show that everyone (especially the audience) is happy with.
👍 I have a really hard time trusting house consoles these days. I run into too many that have had the snot beat out of them.
Was your band headlining? How big was the festival?
@@whitneyryan-ng1cq I think about seven bands and we were dead center. But I actually don't think that matters. They booked a specific show and signed a contract that included a rider. Something that basic as a brought in audio desk should be quite obvious whether it works or not. If it doesn't: don't book that band! If you do book the band: make it work. Also I knew the venue and their console, plus I also had experience with precisely that festival and their staff, so I was in an excellent position to judge whether the show could work with the house equipment. And I said: "Heeeeeell nooooooo" 😅
@@Leo_Blac Which festival was it?
@@whitneyryan-ng1cq I'm not naming and shaming, sorry 😉
The real problem is not the cancellations, because like Tank said, no one WANTS to cancel shows. The problem is the vague explanations given that tell fans nothing. If you just say "Due to production issues" or "Due to unforseen circumstances" it smells like bs because it tells you nothing. If you give a very specific reason (to the extent that you can for privacy/legal), people are much more likely to be not only understanding but supportive.
"One of our buses had a mechanical failure and half our crew got stuck in another country so we couldn't build the stage in time" is much better than "We had an unexpected logistical issue"
For a band that doesn't want to cancel shows, they sure cancel shows way outside the median.
@@nobodyimportant7804they are not the ones who are canceling the shows. Ronnie has come out and said he isn’t doing it. The band doesn’t even set up tours. It’s the tour promoters and the bands agent that set it up and cancel shows not Ronnie or any band has a say.
@@DanaWilson-qf9rr Right, but who hires them?
At the end of the day, this band, led by a scumbag, is canceling shows at a rate way outside the norm.
@@DanaWilson-qf9rrI’m a die hard Ronnie fan too but at this point it’s a pattern. They have cancelled at least 4-5 shows this year. I was terrified my show would be canceled as I drove there
I recently had the fortunate opposite of this issue. I bought tickets for Within Temptation for a venue in Oslo that can take like 1000-1500 people and then they upgraded to Spektrum which can take around 8500. The screens they brought wouldn’t even fit laying down in the first venue. Ended up with a badass show.
They are one of the greatest live bands I’ve ever seen. Completely badass.
Just seen within temptation in London last Saturday was a really good show
Small venues are a way better experience. I'd take the 1000 show over the 8000 one any time
@ I’ll be honest, I haven’t really been going to too many concerts so I can’t really say yet what I prefer. The next show I have tickets for is a 650 capacity venue watching Imminence, Allt, Night Crowned and Fixation, so that will be cool.
anyone else watching this right after FIR cancelled the Vienna show? xD
The funny part is that they compare it to bad omens cancelling entire tour. Only diff is that bad omens canceld with a reason and apology.
And ppl did hate because of the cancel of bad omens. Saying no one was mad at them is pure copium.
And he is canceling on the same day without any reason or Statement 😂
I get that its not all ronnies fault but you cant defend him at this point.
But most of his fans are just defending him no matter what he would do or say. They dont have own opinions and just copy paste what ronnie says
@@Zage95 Just comparing his situation with Bad Omens, is BEYOND disrespectful. Absolutely disgusting.
yes
watched the video about it from ARTV's UA-cam channel
i almost got tickets for this show, glad i missed out looking back
@@superfrank2684 I ended up going bc I was also super excited for Hollywood Undead and Sleep Theory and it was actually really really fun
Even if there are legitimate reasons for cancellation, that doesn't change the fact that Falling in Reverse is building a reputation of cancelling shows, and that people have had bad experiences with Ronnie time and time again. This is a business, and this business keeps cancelling on their clients - in most industries, the "why" being a legitimate reason doesn't negate the fact that cancelling on your clients isn't cool.
Saying "well I get your frustration, but it happens" when people have bought flights, hotels, etc. takes away the responsibility from the very well-paid people in charge to arrange a tour with more planning and forethought, so that there aren't going to be 3 more shows cancelled in the first place. Ronnie is still going to sleep a millionaire, while the fans are left high-and-dry.
Good points here. I am like FK the production. Its a music show. Show up and play your music (if you can). I don't know if he can to do anything without his laptops. I mean, people just want to see their bands play bangers live. Whatever FIR does, certainly doesn't fit that criteria or has the criteria changed?
@@mineofilms I mean I love good production, don't get me wrong. I just think that *something* is lost in the world of live music when you cancel your rock show because of production issues. When you hear "sorry we can't play because they won't let us have fire" it's like, aren't you a band, not a fire show? People saw Silverstein at a VFW in Vegas this year at WWWY and it was probably the most memorable show of the weekend for them
@@bphil1994 I totally agree. Someone else suggested just play a few stripped down and personal shows. I also like this idea. I have never been a fan of FIR. I also do not like SOAD or Linkin Park. I mean they are alright for pop/rock bands. I wouldn't lump them in with metal, but I get it. Its ok to NOT be super arena rock, over productionized show. People still need to see/hear the music played live. My bipolar cannot handle this LOL... I prefer smaller shows.
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@@mineofilmsThat's not how being bi-polar works 😂 I think you have a case of the stupids
It would be nice if bands with big productions could have an alternate plan for smaller venues. Back in the 90s, I watched GWAR and KMFDM in a small club venue in Palo Alto, CA. They both had big productions, but it was nice being able to watch GWAR close enough to be in the splash zone anywhere in the club (the smash a lot of stuff full of fake blood for their theatrics).
I know what you mean watching GWAR. HAve sen them in a 1k people concert early 90´s. Such a great show on a mini stage!
They can't because they don't have the skill. They need the big production because THAT'S the actual draw. Without all the driver aids they'd sound like shit lol.
Parkway Drive have done shows with scaled back or no production before to accommodate for smaller venues. They don't do that as much now though, as they can play big enough venues in most markets to be able to use their full production setup.
I've seen Gwar play everything from floor shows to 300 people to packed 650 clubs up to larger 2000 person venues. somehow they always made it work.
I saw GWAR once in a venue that was not big enough for their show. The stage is tiny and the audience even in the back rows are still right there because of the way it’s set up. It was actually really cool because everyone was within the splash zone, but the stage is so small there that there was risk of someone falling off trying to do that sort of stage show. I think it was the tour managers mistake but they still played there.
I also recently saw Till Lindemann at a venue that had only 5000 capacity. I loved that because of course Rammstein itself have to use giant arenas, and his solo band will play small places.
Careful Ronnie’s gonna get butt hurt at you again
lol
Wait ronnie got butthurt by Tank before?
@ Yeah short version basically he accused tank of using Ronnie for clout so tank doesn’t review any of his music or videos anymore pretty sure Tank has a video about it somewhere if you care to look
@@Warchild0311 If Ronnie Radke were in a SAW trap, and he had access to Google, his first search would be Ronnie Radke. He's so full of himself, and so full of shit, that there's literally no way to tell where the shit ends and he begins.
@@Warchild0311 The guy who used his own mugshot as an album cover thinks someone is looking for clout? Tank isn't a female, so I doubt he has much to worry about, physically.
Anyone who makes Ronnie mad is good in my book.
This is exactly what happened in Charlotte, NC. They booked a small venue that would require them to scale down their production and Ronnie doesn't want to do that. The reality is that FIR could do an extremely scaled down show in these small venues instead of cancelling. It is highly unlikely that these venues could not handle a non pyro extremely stripped down production type show.
That's not what happened in Charlotte. Ronnie said what they were told and what they got didn't match up and the stage was unsafe (no overhead lighting truss, position of the pyro and drum area, etc).
@@crit-c4637 that venue had zero cancelled shows all summer including shows right before and right after the FIR date. The venue is small so totally understand no pyro, so do the show without pyro. Fans flew in, drove hours, and booked hotels. I'm pretty sure if the only option was to see FIR with no pyro and very minimal lighting that they would choose that over cancellation.
@@MrRandytheRam But if I'm paying the same price that bigger production shows are & getting less- that's ass! I'd be pissed! Seen them in Chicago in September & let me tell you they put on a hell of a show!! WITH the pyro & the whole production!
@@nikkipopadopI understand but if you had to pick between no fancy production or cancelled show, what would you pick?
Depending on how the whole production is structured it may not be possible to scale it down on the fly to match the venue in many cases. I'm talking only about the technical aspect of being able to do it, then there's the whole point of "does the band actually want to do it based on how the show would end up being", which is another thing to consider
Speaking of venue-size, at the tailend of Covid, and you still couldnt travel, Sabaton made a swedish tour where they played at every(ish) smalltown in Sweden with a lot of venues -2k people that usually holds only garage bands.
As a fan with a basic understanding of what bands take on tour, the idea that downscaling for smaller venues can’t happen doesn’t make much sense to me. I’m there to see the band whether it’s in a stadium, an arena, theatre, or even a bar.
Just to throw a random band in there. I’d be super happy to see say The Rolling Stones in a bar.
I’d watch ZZTop play on a street corner.
I’m not there for the “show” so to speak.
I never said it can’t happen. Bands do it all the time. But they’re touring overseas and may not have the capability of downsizing with their current production setup. But, I’m not out there, so I can’t say for sure.
@ my apologies my comment was more of a mental thought on my part rather than a critical comment.
Bands just need to show up, kick ass, leave
To your point @ 14:40 , from a pure business standpoint I'm a little mystified why you wouldn't have two set-ups... one for larger venues & a smaller one for the half-dozen venues you know will be smaller. Cancellation due to unforeseen events (like the artist getting sick) is unfortunate but understandable, and you can mitigate some of the impacts... but venue size is an entirely foreseeable factor that should be considered when planning your production.
This whole "upgrading" thing just seems like bad business all-round, because it's not just the fans you're impacting but the web of connected businesses... the venues, local hotels & restaurants, catering & transport companies, etc.
I've been going to shows since the 90's & have friends in the industry, and it hasn't been uncommon for bigger artists to play the odd "intimate" show or have a pared-down production option during a tour because of logistics - especially on overseas tours.
Fans are _much_ more tolerant of getting a smaller show without all the bells & whistles (even if they're paying the same amount) than having the show cancelled. They even become highly sought-after tickets because you have a chance of catching a unique show.
Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the nightmare of logistics and know how minor issues can become major problems... but that's also why the whole "upgrading" idea (especially with short notice _and_ touring across multiple countries) is such bad practice. You're creating a whole cascading effect that will ultimately end up damaging your brand in the long run... and if you have a reputation for cancelling, you'll find the cost of doing business starts to sky-rocket pretty quickly.
I think maybe its an opportunity for bands to take a look at their overall show and ask what's really important. Is it the 5 million lasers, the massive pyro and all the gimmicky things. Or maybe is it time to scale back the circus and just be a band playing good live music at a venue in an uncomplicated way. There's always room for spectacle at big arenas and such, but people used to just go to concerts to hear the music. I think plenty of people will go even if they know its just them and the band. Hell, I think people would probably go just because it is them and the band.
I experienced the "Lesser Production" for Rammstein in Chicago in 2022 where they couldn't do the pyro over the crowd for Du Hast. Kinda bummed me out a bit as that is one of the parts of the show I was looking forward too. That being said I'm still happy I got to see them and would love to see them again when/if they do another US tour. . . . just not in Chicago.
They also moved the Warsaw gig to Łódź in Poland due to the concert requirements according to the organizer in Poland. Maybe their show has some technical requirements for the places and where they can, they switch arenas and cancel shows where they can't move them to another place
thank you for your comment. Thanks to you, I found out that the show was moved to another city >_< I’m traveling to a concert from another country and I’m happy that I can change my logistics in advance. It would be a shame to miss the concert because of this situation
@@lolozavra I'm travelling alone from the other side of the country, already booked a hotel and now I have to book another hotel and lose money on the first. It's not nice news but hey, there must be something going on on the negotiations side that we don't know about it. Something that forces them to make these changes.
See you at the show! Glad you can make it in the end :)
@@JKBeaches it was amazing =) thank you again for your comment - only thanks to it I was able to get to the concert =)
I had tickets for Tilburg. I am from Belgium and took a day off work to make sure we could get there in time. FIR is one of my favorite artists and the only one that I have never seen live. I was extremely excited for it! On previous tours I have never been able to make it. When it got cancelled we looked at the other dates that weren't sold out but unfortunately I couldn't get the day off work for Cologne and the other venues were too far away to plan on such short notice. I do understand that sometimes things have to get canceled due to technical issues, but when it happens a lot you start to have questions about the planning.
So, I get sometimes things happen. But if they keep happening, is that really unforeseeable any longer? I guess what I'm getting at is... at some point if you do keep having production/tech cancellations... it may be time to take a look the production manager, promoter, etc... This is show business. The show must go on. (Outside of safety issues, etc...). Productions will always have some challenges and 'less than' performances but cancellations should be rare events.
Note: I understand the talent gets sick, injured, are human, etc. Thing happen. But things shouldn't happen all of the time.
I wanted to go to the show in Germany, but for me it was suspicous from the start. I know the venue and if you follow FIR for a longer time, you know they cancled shows before, because the venues were too small an they couldn't set up their whole show. So in my case I bought Tickets to another concert too. (Told friends about my fears for a cancellation, but they didn't listen to me) If you believe what Ronnie said on his stream, he didn't even know it was canceled in the first place and he said that the venue is to blame for it, they wouldn't have turned down a sold out show. And in the case to said show I wanted to go, I can totally understand that they couldn't have brought all the gear on that small stage and gurantee for safety espacially if you consider the flames they use. Soo it's sad, but I wouldn't hate on the band. If you want to hate on someone turn it on the management or the venue.
Lol I seen FIR in Grand Forks ND. There was maybe 2k people there and he didn't cancel the show. His words during the show he was quite enjoying himself that night. I find it hard to believe he is canceling shows just because of the size of the venue
@@Hitmanch98just looked it up and if it is the show I saw, even the stage there is twice the size as the one I'm talking about 😅
@@vince939 looked what up? The venue in Grand Forks?
@@Hitmanch98yes, the show there
@vince939 I've been to the alerus center a bunch of times throughout the years for different events. I even played a couple high school football games there. The place isn't that big lol. Yes I know there are smaller venues. But definitely not substantial
It’s lame as hell for a band to book a tour, fans spend hundreds of dollars on tickets, hotels, flights, whatever else, and the band cancels a show because their video monitor doesn’t fit through the door. Seems like this is what’s happening. Ronnie’s ego getting in the way and he only cares about himself and his image and couldn’t care less about out the fans. Set up your instruments and play.
Tank with the level-headed take as always, keep it up.
I really enjoy this page, a page where there is a in depth overview on what goes on with the business and logistical aspects of touring. 🤘
Charlotte resident here! SUM41 did pyro at the same venue, so I doubt that was an issue. IIRC Ronnie said in a response post that the stage was too cramped, no room for openers to use their own gear/drum kit, etc. There was a rumor that they thought they booked the larger local venue that they played when they opened for A7X, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere. We were refunded.
So you think they wanted to lose maybe 200 000 dollars out of pure spite?
@@LeperMessiah2 OP never said that, not even implied.
@@LeperMessiah2 it wouldnt surprise me considering its ronnie xD
Ronnie also said the pyro would've been next to the drum kit, the crowd wouldn't be able to see the drummers, and there was no overhead truss for lighting so they'd all be in the dark.
excuses, what a shitty artist why the hell would someone support this band
@TanktheTech If you ever have some time, I'd love a video about the logistics of booking a tour, what goes into it, just so I can link it to people who complain about a band not doing a show near them
I'd love to see this too! So many people in Australia complain about the price of festival tickets, but I find them to be cheap when compared with bands doing headliner shows for almost the same price as a ticket to a festival.
I'd love to know what's involved in logistics for small venues vs arenas vs festivals
A cool idea would be to take cities recommended by chat or something and go through how planning that tour would play out!
On cities getting missed... Florida is not only routinely missed, but skipped. It is very expensive to tour in Florida, since you have to go further south just to turn back around and go north again to get out of the state. Because of this, bands will likely book only one or two cities about half way through the state and then leave, or just completely skip it. Logistics are wild.
Canada is usually skipped altogether, unless it's a show in Toronto, and MAYBE Montreal and Vancouver.
@@corinna007 Bigger tours usually hit Quebec as well.
That said, Evanescence/Halestorm/The Warning just hit 10 Canadian cities in two weeks last month.
We also miss alot of headlining shows in Fl because bands will just make Rockville their one Fl stop on summer tours.
“Production issues” is not a reason to give to your fans. Give a clear explanation to the fans that already bought your tickets. It’s a slap in the face to your loyal fans. Just tell them “the set we brought with us doesn’t fit in the venue, and we want to give you the experience you deserve”.
To that I say: you should have realized that before you started selling tickets. If you can know that when you “advance” with the venue during the tour by having a phone call, you can know that ahead of time too. It’s a lame excuse.
@ also correct, eventually it IS a money grab. Ticket sales go through the roof, thus, upgrading all venues to get more money in, it is as simple as that. They could’ve just play all the sold out shows and return next year with a properly planned bigger venue tour. One will say it is just capitalizing on current possibilities, the other will say, it’s a money grab not giving a shit about those 7000 fans that bought tickets to the smaller venues.
9:45 Former Local from Würzburg here. @Tank you hit the nail with no bigger venue for würzburg. There´s the Tectake Arena (former Homeground for Dirk Nowitzki) but it´s not very suitable for concerts.
heard, that pyro is not posible in this venue, so they canceled it.
@@Scoutwalker96 Local from Würzburg here, pyro is possible in that location. Maybe they would have to scale it down compared to a stadium sized pyro show but i have attended shows in that location with pyro.
Funny thing, the day before FiR AILD was supposed to play a show.
The Posthalle is a nice venue and being from Nuremberg (100km away) I'm often jealous for the gigs the can get there which means that those bands don't play in my hometown and I have to drive to Würzburg. But the Posthalle is always on my radar for tours, same for Geiselwind and the L.A. in Cham.
You're right! When the tour was planned, it was not clear that there would be so many fans and correspondingly many ticket sales. I have tickets for Berlin and there it was initially a smaller location with 3,500 people and then it was upgraded to a stadium with 12,500 people. I was a little sad about it, but it gives more people the chance to see them live. By the way, I found out today that they will be playing at many festivals in Europe next year. I always go to the NovaRock Festival and they are already booked there, so I get to see them twice. 🥳🥳🥳
In 2015 I had the opportunity to see Five Finger Death Punch, HELLYEAH, and Nothing More at the Covelli Center in Youngstown, Ohio. It had to be cancelled but they did come back and the headliner(FFDP) told everyone who had tickets to the previous show to bring their stub or proof of their ticket and they get in without having to pay again. The original reason for cancelling was due to the size of the Covelli and they had to rework the show to make everything work out.
Small anecdote to add. As Tank said sometimes bands outgrow the venues before the tour starts. One of the places i work has three small venues 500-1300. The issue is that the next largest venue is 6 hrs away. Usually we get larger bands in the smaller venue as we do have a sizeable population and can support higher ticket prices. Anyways we had Noah Kahan booked (not announced) for an outdoor 300 person show. He released an album. Stick season happened and there was no way we could fit him, even in the slightly larger indokr venue So it was struck. This stuff happens.
but that depends on where you are.
European countries tend to be a lot more densly populated than, for example the US meaning more venues to chose from
@Neithan02 true that. However due to the population density there is increased demand and thus no other venues may have been available.
more population density also means a lot more venues.
like if I draw a circle of ~ 1 hour travel time around my house, I have concert venues to seat tens of thousands of people.
(and big cities are far more abundant than in many parts of the Nighted States.)
Let's see
Lido
Festsaal Kreuzberg
SO 36
Bu Nuu
Supa Molly
Cassiopeia
Astra
Kesselhaus
Zitadelle
Ballhaus Naunystr.
Hole 44
Columbia Theater
Columbiahalle
Arena Treptow
Uber Arena
Uber Music Hall
Huxleys's
Waldbühne
Wuhlheide
Olympiastadion
Alte Försterei
Velodrom
City Cube
Max Schmeling Halle
Tempodrom
and I am fething sure that I am missing a ton of venues right off the bat at the moment because they tend to book other styles of music than the ones I buy tickets for.
if you really think that in heavily urbanised zones or where those urban areas are rather close together (population density) that you will not be able to, months in advance) find alternative places, or can even get stuff like videos of the facilities there.
Heck, the next city of 1 million people is ~a 3 hour ride away by bus
for several hundred thousand people, it is less.
Well it's one thing to cancel shows some time in advance when you notice that these venues can't fit the bigger production. But Würzburg and Vienna have been same day cancellations. This production must have been planned months in advance, same goes for the booking of the venues. Sure, I agree, unexpected things can happen and lead to a cancelled show, but we're now at four cancelled shows this tour?
And to make things worse, after you've spent money on hotels and transportation, you get insulted by the lead singer for asking why the show got cancelled
Ronnie is disliked for a reason. He literally only got asked "Why did the show get cancelled?" on a live stream and he berated that fan for three minutes straight, calling him a cunt and what not.
I really love your videos, but couldn't disagree more about Ronnie. He's ungrateful, disrespectful and the way he treats people with lifestyles or opinions he doesn't agree on is just horrible.
Local from Würzburg here, what I just don't get is that a tour has to be planned in detail. So how is it possible to take a look and get the info about the venue in Würzburg and deciding that it's possible to play there, book it, sell all tickets (first show to be sould out) just to take it all down days before to that? It's not that they didn't knew all along what the conditions were there. It just leaves a sour taste on people despite the band is the reason or not.
Not a single band have to cancel so many Shows like FIR. Looks like skill issue to me
I just want to point out that truck drivers can't drive unlimited hours. It is heavily controlled by law enforcement, so that 11 hour drive is not "Easy."
These are the main limits.
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Driving Times
Uninterrupted Driving
After a driving period of four and a half hours, the driver must take an uninterrupted break of at least 45 minutes, unless they take a rest period.
This break can be replaced by a pause of at least 15 minutes followed by another pause of at least 30 minutes, both interspersed within the four and a half hour driving period.
Daily Driving
The maximum daily driving time cannot exceed 9 hours, except for twice a week when it may extend to 10 hours.
Weekly Driving
The weekly driving time must not exceed 56 hours (a week is understood as the period from 00:00 on Monday to 24:00 on Sunday).
Biweekly Driving
The driving time over two consecutive weeks cannot exceed 90 hours.
Thus, if one week involves driving for 56 hours (the maximum allowed), the following week can only include 34 hours of driving, since both together total the maximum of 90 hours.
Thanks Tank, good info
Always love to get your insight into the music industry, Thank you Tank!
There’s plenty of reasons to hate them lol. It blows my mind that this band actually sells tickets, especially overseas.
Why especially overseas?
Idk i guess chud metal has a built in audience 🤷
@@davidb4935 What do you mean chud? I don't do virgin speak. If you refer to your LGBTQ whatever nonsense, then majority of European countries don't like that sh*t either.
Tank is right! Falling in Reverse is a business, not a group of artists. It makes full sense that they just auction themselves off. Go to a small venue and support the bands that really do want to play.
Nah, they are lolcows. A business would work hard to minimize cancellations when these lolcows try to set cancellation records. I agree with the rest.
Production question: I've seen Avenged Sevenfold a few times on the same tour. One location was an arena, another was an outdoor venue that was smaller. It looked like they just scaled down their production since the larger one they used (more screens) wouldn't have fit. The show was still basically the same.
You said that FIR upgraded their venues, so their production setup followed suit. But they canceled the smaller venues possibly because their production wouldn't fit.
Couldn't they just scale down and not set up as much stuff, while keeping the vibe of the show? They booked the small one in the first place, so I'm assuming they would have already had the production setup to match that size. (Unless planning hadn't gotten that far so they never had a smaller prod setup planned 🤷🏻♀️).
I was very surprised at the 1st announcement, Switzerland 1st choice was a tiny one (2000 cap) then 15k (half empty). I think some cities weren’t full.
I don’t know who messed up but some cities weren’t good (venue options).
And as we know ronnie it’s all or nothing, it’s a show (tiny, 50min playing)
in 'Merican:
Boston to NY is about a 5hr drive.
Austin to New Orleans is about a 8hr drive.
San Fransisco to Portland is about a 10hr drive.
Dude what is your anime intro thing from?
UA-cam intro
It's a stock UA-cam premiere countdown. There's like 15 to choose from for premieres and it's the only one that doesn't suck. Haha
If it's the one with the servos and stuff, it's a video made called "MECHA" by a designer call Ash Thorp.
a point I'd like to bring up regarding venue size, although i know it from two venues, not all of them: when the tour was announced, Zurich was initially planned for a venue that held roughly a 1k capacity club (X-Tra), a couple days later, it was upgraded to the Hallenstadion, a ~13k capacity arena....similar numbers were in another location (can't confirm it myself, got the info from a friend, so take it with a grain of salt)....it may be possible that the venues were an issue in regards of production or what was planned for the shows, however, it is again some speculation from my side as well, but it is a thought that came up immediately when i heard about the cancellation
editorial note: i should finish watching the video before commenting
There could be lots of issues which led to these cancellations.
The odd thing with the one because of the laptop is that they didn't have file backups which could be used. You'd think that would be thought of on a tour that size in case of a failure or laptop going missing.
They should have, like, a minimum of 2 clones of each laptop, one on the road with them, the other ready to be overnighted at a moment's notice.
Pretty sure he said that a crew member had put their main laptop with the backup like an idiot. I'm sure that guy got chewed out and fired and they have since made sure to have a better backup plan lol
I love small venue shows, they usually end up being really unique & special.
People saying they should just do a scaled down show forget that FIR actually needs their big production to distract from the fact their lead singer has the stage presence of a wet towel.
LMAO
In the US, you can do an 8 hour drive in one night. In Europe, especially that part of Europe, we have these things, you may have heard of them, called "bends." They make 8 hour drives impossibly tiring. Plus EU laws make it almost impossible, as you have to have 30 mins rest every 4½ hours, and 11 hours rest for every 9 hours.
And now the Other smaller venues were canceled. 😂
I was so sad that I didn’t get any tickets for Vienna but now it’s also cancelled so… 😅
Disregarding the subject matter: I really appreciate you giving your chat credit for corrections. Big sign of mutual respect and your intent of doing things right.
when i worked with The Hu band their production manager was pissed cuz they couldnt set up the entire production and could only use half of what they brought, so of the 6 trucks they brought, yes we unloaded 6 trucks and then reloaded 3 of them cuz what they wanted to use was on the other trucks so i can understand cancelling due to the venue not being able to support a full production, the same venue also had Creed and of the 4 trucks they brought, we used 2 trucks..so ya..their production was set for arena shows but the venue isnt an arena..it is what it is with bands these days now though..
That's crazy to me. I get that they want to use their full set production but at the end of the day they are musicians, and the fans would much rather see them play on a blank stage with zero production (that isn;t to do with the music) than not at all.
@@jakobjas4212 exactly
They canceled their Vienna show today, and I just wanted to see HU so I am happy because they gave out new tickets.
FunFact: 2 more cancelled shows
A lot of people seem to overlook cancellations because "refunds were given". If someone traveled several hours because the band doesn't go to Root n' Scoot, Arkansas and had to get a hotel to catch the show then they are out that money. I realize that is on them but it's not as cut and dry as it being no harm, no foul when a show is cancelled.
I’m a die hard FIR fan and these cancellations are getting wild! Ronnie might not like me saying this but it’s not a good look. Especially only posting the announcement on social media stories so people can’t comment on it and most people won’t even see it. I can’t imagine being in line to see a show and discovering it was canceled because it decided to check Facebook. Ronnie needs to say hey I’m sorry this is why this happened. That’s all. That’s not asking for a lot..and it’s not a good look calling your own fans babies for being upset over this :)
I do a lot of TM/FOH tours and I fully understand this. I’ve come very close to canceling shows due to tour requirements. It always came down to what the contracts say and if we can negotiate and meet in the middle. We never wanted to cancel ANY shows because we need the money to pay for the bus, crew and tour expenses. It’s so expensive to tour right now.
I just looked it up because I was curious: The show in Switzerland was supposed to take place in a ~2k capacity venue before they moved it to a ~15k capacity arena due to high demand. Maybe they cancelled the smaller venues on the tour after trying to upgrade to a larger venue and being unable to?
Don't forget, As I Lay Dying also just cancelled an entire EU tour, but they had a perfectly reasonable reason and explanation and communicated it fully and perfectly with their fans.
No they didn’t. 4 members of the band quit before As I Lay Dying even officially addressed the tour cancelling. Hell, venues were already contacting people telling them the show was cancelled and the tour info was still on their website site and social media.
@ I know it was sarcasm, my bad 😂
Oh. Sorry. 😂
But apparently they are still playing at Welcome to Rockville in May…not sure how that’s gonna work 😅
😂
Shoot, we were supposed to have them at OBC Reimagined here in Vegas October 26, 2024, and one month before the concert, everyone gets emails that it had been cancelled solely because they *all of a sudden* couldn’t be there. It was sharply disappointing.
Did they forget their laptops again?
I went to their show in Bosto , and the scenery is really important in their shows. This is basically a spectacle like you see for bif pop artists, more than a metal show
If Ronnie has no haters, it's because I'm dead
As a truck driver I got a bit sick when I saw the travel route. :D
But I get this venue issue with the door. Several times on delivery I had customers who claimed the loading zone fits a truck and are suprised when I come around with my 26t truck (12m long, 3.90m high, 2.60m wide) and minivan is no worthy messurment.
The business aspect isn’t why he loses credibility. It’s the non stop bitching and moaning that strips him credibility.
I mean both, cuz with that much of talk one could assume one has something to back up the talk, but apparently he doesn't
Surprisingly, many people who aren't chronically online care (& some who are dont either) about that. He still fills large venues and sells out big tours. His EU fans were begging him to tour in EU.
Among the industry he's still pretty powerful reason you see so many of our favorite artists keeping ties with him despite the bs 😒
@@joyjoyz778I think he's definitely worth having around
10:00 I don't think there are bigger places around Tilburg. 013 is the largest non-commercial stage of the Netherlands and Tilburg doesn't have any bigger commercial venues. You might have meant that there are bigger places in The Netherlands, which obviously is true but those wouldn't be available 2 weeks from now.
Sebastian Bach fighting with Ronnie feels like the spider man pointing at spiderman meme.
Yes, and this happens in every other business, no matter what the agreed upon things are, sometimes you have to cancel/postpone them.
What a bullshit. Ronnie just cancelled the second concert in Prague “due to unforeseen circumstances” saying THEY had to “make a difficult decision”. That’s just disgusting attitude towards their fans
Here in Zurich they moved from Xtra(a small-ish venue ~ 1'500 cap. to Hallenstadion wich is the biggest veue in Zürich wth 13'000-15'000 cap. With a massive floor... It seems like a massive logistical change, like the set-up time must have been expomentially longer right?
Mwuahahaha 😈
My wifes favorite band that I secretly hate!
This warms my heart. ❤
A word of advice for the boys:
Don't argue with your lady over pointless shit.
I will silently take this win today.
Ah finally someone in the same boat as me. She loves them so much and I'll admit that some of the music is catchy, but goddamn. All the lyrics are about how he doesn't care that no one likes him, and how dare they not like him, and what he could do to the people who don't like him. Did I mention no one likes him? Because he hasn't in the last 2 lines of lyrics.
@@scottwagner2566 I knew nothing about them until I noticed that whatever song that was playing was Ronnie crying about people not liking him, so I looked him up. Now I don't like him and actively avoid him and him bands.
You remind me of the fact that I’m going to see Knocked Loose in Tilburg next year and now I can’t wait.
I guess they’re “Canceling! Canceling! Themselves!”
I’ll show myself out
I realized last min that the Warsaw show got moved to Łódź, thankfully realized soon enough to make the 2 hr drive, and was able to find a hotel. Was a minor inconvenience. Full refund was offered to those who wanted. It did make me curious as to the reason for the move, so was cool to hear your perspective as to why these things happen.
End of the day, was a great show!
because Ronnie Radke was too upset to find out he was mentioned on Chapo
How butt pained do you think he was at that bit 😂
@@davidb4935 Lmfao if he does know I hope he took it with a grain of salt, but based on what I know about the guy, I'm guessing he wouldn't
I was at the concert in Berlin yesterday and i am so glad they upgraded the venue. With all that pyro and the big screen and how the stage is constructed - i can't imagine this concert could have happened like it did at the first venue they choose. Not at all. They had this little behind the stage "pyro show" - this also couldn't be done in the C-Hall like they did it in Velodrom yesterday, there is not that much space and safety wise it would have been a major issue.
The show atm is not for small venues. C-Hall would have been a capacity for around 4000 ppl, they upgraded it to the bigger, nearly sold out Velodrom.
However, they had a technical issue yesterday night ( could have been a part of the show somehow, actually its hard to tell but they had a 10-15min break during the concert) - maybe its an actual issue we don't know about (yet) behind the scenes that may or may not could have influenced this decision.
Update - read the update 😅 ok, if the venue cancelled the shows everything i had in mind doesn't really make sense. Glad they got a gig in Prag instead, it sucks for fans and the band when shows are cancelled. Easy to blame Ronnie for everything i guess 😅
Ronnie Radke: *is against cancel culture*
Also Ronnie Radke: "This show is canceled"
Not even the same thing you clown
UA-cam decided to hit me with a beer advert at 2:45 and I like it
On the Charlotte cancelation Ronnie responded on tik tok to someone, that is constanstantly up his ***** and also a general piece of crap to people, that the stage was unsafe, had no overhead truss for lights so they'd be playing in the dark, the place for the drummer would end up being close to pyro and all the bands would have to share a drum kit because of how the stage was set up. This "arena" is at the Music Factory, which has been known to sometimes no have their ****** together.
Oh and the drummers for all the bands wouldn't be able to be seen by the fans.
I remember about twenty years ago a Rammstein show got cancelled while we were all queuing up waiting for the doors to open, and it was due to production issues.
They wouldn't have been able to put on their full show as intended with all the pyrotechnics, so the show got cancelled at the very last minute.
That’s actually criminal. I don’t care what anyone says, that shouldn’t have been a last minute decision when all the fans were already there.
Ronnie does POWER vocals. Really, POWER vocals. I took some vocal training, did a lot of choir in school. So I learned about what can happen to a voice that is strained, overworked. Also the Hell of performing with any kind of illness. Been there. Gods.
Nope, not gonna bust his chops for listening to his body.
If a vocalist is doing vocals that are physically hurting them, they are not a good vocalist. None of the screaming Ronnie does should be hurting him or causing damage to his vocal cords. If it is, he isn't doing it right. There's a reason why a band like Avenged Sevenfold had 1 album with screaming before having to stop and yet deathcore bands have 8 albums full of screaming and growling with no issues. It's all about technique, and his technique is obviously not very good.
The biggest room in 013 in Tilburg has space for 3000 people. It was impossible to get tickets. 3000 people is peanuts for bands that play in bigger venues most of the time... The Netherlands has plenty of 'arenas' to play in and bigger venues, I was surprised that they had booked 013.
Lost their lap top again?
Blue screen of death....
The issue with a whole tour being cancelled before it starts is that there is a lot of time until the shows.
It is the bands and acts that are cancelling 1-2 days before that are getting crapped on.
Just his ego cant fit for those stages...but for real, as someone who saw what went down in Budapest, there is no available arenas at the moment here. But at least Hollywood Undead will play a full set ❤
They canceled uk and Ireland tour yesterday 😢 just a day before of the tour
‚Take a day off in Stuttgart‘ lolol as someone who lives near there, that is not a place to take a day off in. Dirty, unsafe, not much to see… there’s some nice places sure but nah I’d recommend Mainz maybe~ btw I know this doesn’t really have much to do with this vid but I just had to throw that in there 😅
you're being incredibly nice to them :)
pretending there's no legit reason to dislike Radke is the reason the metal space/scene isn't as diverse as people claim to want. just like with the previous vocalist from Lorna Shore, or with Tim Lambesis. you can't ask for diversity while rehabilitating hateful people and messages just cause they don't affect you or the majority of the active public. it'll stay like that forever if people keep doing this.
anyways. enjoyed your content for a long time, Tank, you're one of the few music talking heads i can still listen. but yeah just... figured you would've seen that side more instead of always brushing it off as "haters" (which he seems to love so idk why complain about it constantly). people can be both talented, and also, hateful. just cause someone's good at something doesn't mean we should accept behaviour we wouldn't tolerate in any other space.
(also without haters he would have nothing to write about in his lyrics 🙃 )
I never once said Ronnie was a perfect person and I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, but you can't tell me that people aren't biased when stuff like this happens and they start flipping out just because they don't like him. This dude gets more hate than anyone in the metal scene and a lot of the time it's people making up stuff to be mad about.
@@TankTheTech i understand and agree with that, it's gonna happen if you love getting attention on twitter constantly, it's gonna work both ways (and even so i was with him with the laptop bs lol). but yeah, ofc it happens.
im talking specifically at the acting like people hate him for no reason at all. even if you ignore the "legal issues" part of his wikipedia, you can't blame me for disliking a guy who actively tries to attack a whole community on their media, and then acts like a victim.
013 Tilburg is my homebase.
Been too so many bands and events there. Lots of bands bigger than falling in reverse with big productions played there.
Big stages
They have loading docks for trucks at the backside.
So i dont buy the argument their production wouldnt fit.
The stage is huge.
The venue is very professional and up to modern standards.
Meh niet echt. Kan niet tippen aan Praag bv.
@sit-insforsithis1568 dan heb je het over de stad.
Ik heb het over de locatie.
Houdoe
@@dennisvanopstal7437 locatie in Praag is ook veel moderner hoor
It amazes me that people still like this band. They weren't even good in their prime, now they just have a braindead frontman who says and does controversial shit for attention because that's easier than being talented.
this is like the reggaeton of the metal world.... shame
Guess I just don't understand the idea of canceling because the full production doesn't fit. Let me put it this way: my favorite band is Sleep Token. They've been playing massive shows in the last year and are now a Download headliner. If I had the opportunity to see them in an 800 cap room with less production, that would be even more special to me than a 10k+ arena with all the spectacle BECAUSE of the fact that I get to see them in such a small environment.
Well said Tank. I think you're spot on. But haters are gonna hate. Especially with Ronnie. Oh well.
You act like Ronnie doesn’t bring some of the hate on himself
Sometimes people have a reason to hate, he has the right to be an arsehole, and everybody else has the right to call him an arsehole,
Actions and consequences after all
Don’t start nuthin’, won’t be nuthin’.
The routing is kinda bad in parts. Going from Prague to Budapest then to Warsaw and back to Vienna is basically driving the same way forth and back twice . And playing in Prague instead of Tilburg means 1500 people more capacity and appr. 1000km less driving! Barba Negra in Budapest and Posthalle Würzburg have small stages so they would have to cut down on production and use a small stage set. Not to forget: they make more cash with the upgraded shows and maybe can simply afford paying the running costs on those extra 2 days off.
That kind of back and forth is pretty common for tours, you can’t always get available venues in the right order.
Typical Ronnie being a diva “the stage is too small”,”the sound isnt right so I’m not playing”, “nobody is showing up so let’s bail” the same thing over and over again.
What a great inside view to this issue, thank you Tank.
I had tickets for Tilburg.Their booking agency and management collectively fucked up. My friend works at the Dutch venue and he told me FIR cancelled just because they could make more money in Prague.
Like your content but you’re being waaaaaay to nice. Radke’s ego didn’t fit a 3000 seater….I’m done with them. It’s more tape than live anyway, let’s be honest. I was a fan because of Luke Holland and Ronnie is a decent rapper and that’s rare in metal. But I’m done with them after hearing the true reason.
Eminem blew up late 1999 and he was booked at Melkweg, you know the venue. He HONORED the contract and just brought a smaller backdrop and props on stage.
anyway, cancelling legit 3 days before the concert cant be the solution...many people dont get back their money for hotel etc, and i have to spend 100 euro for a booked hotel now too, because cancelling that shortly wasnt possible anymore.. i went to more than 150 concerts and festivals in my life and never experienced such a mess like this.
we dont hate Ronnie for no reason, he deserves the hate for being a horrible person
Real. I don't understand how people keep looking past all the mean and horrible stuff Ronnie has done.
Agreed.
Nah you hate him cuz he says boys can’t be girls and vice versa lol
the manner in which this comment was written tells a lot. why would you even focus your energy to hate enybody. i dont know the guy, but i guess hes not exactly fkn hitler, is he lol
What did he do?
If ronnie said the venues themselves cancelled the shows then I guess I believe him. On the other hand cancelling because the production cant be done makes sense to me, I saw them last week in Madrid and many parts of the show heavily rely on the interaction with the crowd and the size of the venue. I would 100% believe that they cancelled because they literally cant fit everything everywhere, pyro included.
It wouldn't surprise me if the venues cancelled because of demands that the band wouldn't budge on to do with production etc. So while the venues technically cancelled it's because they had no choice. That's just speculation on my part.
Ronnie deserves all the hate he gets
I was suprised to see them book that venue in hungary. It’s a small venue for a band with their level of production. I think the stage was too small.
I also did a tour with a hungarian band and we had venues where we had to reduce the stage equipment due to stage size
Funny, Ronnie makes fun of people who engage in cancel culture but hes out here canceling lol.