UPDATE: People have been messaging me and telling me the Ronnie said on stream recently that the venues canceled the show on them, and not the band. I have not seen said stream or a clip of it, so take that as you will. That being said, a venue straight up canceling a show without the band's production team being involved in the conversation is incredibly rare, and while I am not a part of their tour and can't tell you what happened in this situation, I would venture to guess that both parties were involved in a lengthy discussion about production aspects and at the end of the day, the venues could not (or would not) accommodate what they needed to pull off their show.
I guess the amount pf pyro is a factor. The show is "hot" indeed, I went in Barcelona. And the venue wasn't super big. What they did is they put only one level of pyro instead of a few lewels as they did in the bigger venues in Madrid and Portugal.
16:30 I was recently preparing an indoor festival show for one of the bands I do FoH sound for and when talking to the festival staff I was told I couldn't bring my own sound desk because there's not enough space at FoH and they don't want desks being moved through the audience mid show etc etc. And I told the band and their management that I just straight up refuse to do a show for this specific band on a house desk, especially if it is a desk I don't know inside out. With that the band told the festival that they had booked a certain production that is detailed in the tech rider (which is part of the contract after all) and either they make the rider possible including my sound desk or the show was not going to happen. There are things one can work around. But other things are so essential, they can't just be removed from the production and still put on a show that everyone (especially the audience) is happy with.
I recently had the fortunate opposite of this issue. I bought tickets for Within Temptation for a venue in Oslo that can take like 1000-1500 people and then they upgraded to Spektrum which can take around 8500. The screens they brought wouldn’t even fit laying down in the first venue. Ended up with a badass show.
They also moved the Warsaw gig to Łódź in Poland due to the concert requirements according to the organizer in Poland. Maybe their show has some technical requirements for the places and where they can, they switch arenas and cancel shows where they can't move them to another place
@ Yeah short version basically he accused tank of using Ronnie for clout so tank doesn’t review any of his music or videos anymore pretty sure Tank has a video about it somewhere if you care to look
@@Warchild0311 If Ronnie Radke were in a SAW trap, and he had access to Google, his first search would be Ronnie Radke. He's so full of himself, and so full of shit, that there's literally no way to tell where the shit ends and he begins.
@@Warchild0311 The guy who used his own mugshot as an album cover thinks someone is looking for clout? Tank isn't a female, so I doubt he has much to worry about, physically.
@TanktheTech If you ever have some time, I'd love a video about the logistics of booking a tour, what goes into it, just so I can link it to people who complain about a band not doing a show near them
It would be nice if bands with big productions could have an alternate plan for smaller venues. Back in the 90s, I watched GWAR and KMFDM in a small club venue in Palo Alto, CA. They both had big productions, but it was nice being able to watch GWAR close enough to be in the splash zone anywhere in the club (the smash a lot of stuff full of fake blood for their theatrics).
This is exactly what happened in Charlotte, NC. They booked a small venue that would require them to scale down their production and Ronnie doesn't want to do that. The reality is that FIR could do an extremely scaled down show in these small venues instead of cancelling. It is highly unlikely that these venues could not handle a non pyro extremely stripped down production type show.
That's not what happened in Charlotte. Ronnie said what they were told and what they got didn't match up and the stage was unsafe (no overhead lighting truss, position of the pyro and drum area, etc).
@@crit-c4637 that venue had zero cancelled shows all summer including shows right before and right after the FIR date. The venue is small so totally understand no pyro, so do the show without pyro. Fans flew in, drove hours, and booked hotels. I'm pretty sure if the only option was to see FIR with no pyro and very minimal lighting that they would choose that over cancellation.
@@MrRandytheRam But if I'm paying the same price that bigger production shows are & getting less- that's ass! I'd be pissed! Seen them in Chicago in September & let me tell you they put on a hell of a show!! WITH the pyro & the whole production!
Depending on how the whole production is structured it may not be possible to scale it down on the fly to match the venue in many cases. I'm talking only about the technical aspect of being able to do it, then there's the whole point of "does the band actually want to do it based on how the show would end up being", which is another thing to consider
‚Take a day off in Stuttgart‘ lolol as someone who lives near there, that is not a place to take a day off in. Dirty, unsafe, not much to see… there’s some nice places sure but nah I’d recommend Mainz maybe~ btw I know this doesn’t really have much to do with this vid but I just had to throw that in there 😅
I wanted to go to the show in Germany, but for me it was suspicous from the start. I know the venue and if you follow FIR for a longer time, you know they cancled shows before, because the venues were too small an they couldn't set up their whole show. So in my case I bought Tickets to another concert too. (Told friends about my fears for a cancellation, but they didn't listen to me) If you believe what Ronnie said on his stream, he didn't even know it was canceled in the first place and he said that the venue is to blame for it, they wouldn't have turned down a sold out show. And in the case to said show I wanted to go, I can totally understand that they couldn't have brought all the gear on that small stage and gurantee for safety espacially if you consider the flames they use. Soo it's sad, but I wouldn't hate on the band. If you want to hate on someone turn it on the management or the venue.
You're right! When the tour was planned, it was not clear that there would be so many fans and correspondingly many ticket sales. I have tickets for Berlin and there it was initially a smaller location with 3,500 people and then it was upgraded to a stadium with 12,500 people. I was a little sad about it, but it gives more people the chance to see them live. By the way, I found out today that they will be playing at many festivals in Europe next year. I always go to the NovaRock Festival and they are already booked there, so I get to see them twice. 🥳🥳🥳
Charlotte resident here! SUM41 did pyro at the same venue, so I doubt that was an issue. IIRC Ronnie said in a response post that the stage was too cramped, no room for openers to use their own gear/drum kit, etc. There was a rumor that they thought they booked the larger local venue that they played when they opened for A7X, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere. We were refunded.
Ronnie also said the pyro would've been next to the drum kit, the crowd wouldn't be able to see the drummers, and there was no overhead truss for lighting so they'd all be in the dark.
In 2015 I had the opportunity to see Five Finger Death Punch, HELLYEAH, and Nothing More at the Covelli Center in Youngstown, Ohio. It had to be cancelled but they did come back and the headliner(FFDP) told everyone who had tickets to the previous show to bring their stub or proof of their ticket and they get in without having to pay again. The original reason for cancelling was due to the size of the Covelli and they had to rework the show to make everything work out.
when i worked with The Hu band their production manager was pissed cuz they couldnt set up the entire production and could only use half of what they brought, so of the 6 trucks they brought, yes we unloaded 6 trucks and then reloaded 3 of them cuz what they wanted to use was on the other trucks so i can understand cancelling due to the venue not being able to support a full production, the same venue also had Creed and of the 4 trucks they brought, we used 2 trucks..so ya..their production was set for arena shows but the venue isnt an arena..it is what it is with bands these days now though..
I experienced the "Lesser Production" for Rammstein in Chicago in 2022 where they couldn't do the pyro over the crowd for Du Hast. Kinda bummed me out a bit as that is one of the parts of the show I was looking forward too. That being said I'm still happy I got to see them and would love to see them again when/if they do another US tour. . . . just not in Chicago.
Speaking of venue-size, at the tailend of Covid, and you still couldnt travel, Sabaton made a swedish tour where they played at every(ish) smalltown in Sweden with a lot of venues -2k people that usually holds only garage bands.
Small anecdote to add. As Tank said sometimes bands outgrow the venues before the tour starts. One of the places i work has three small venues 500-1300. The issue is that the next largest venue is 6 hrs away. Usually we get larger bands in the smaller venue as we do have a sizeable population and can support higher ticket prices. Anyways we had Noah Kahan booked (not announced) for an outdoor 300 person show. He released an album. Stick season happened and there was no way we could fit him, even in the slightly larger indokr venue So it was struck. This stuff happens.
There could be lots of issues which led to these cancellations. The odd thing with the one because of the laptop is that they didn't have file backups which could be used. You'd think that would be thought of on a tour that size in case of a failure or laptop going missing.
9:45 Former Local from Würzburg here. @Tank you hit the nail with no bigger venue for würzburg. There´s the Tectake Arena (former Homeground for Dirk Nowitzki) but it´s not very suitable for concerts.
On cities getting missed... Florida is not only routinely missed, but skipped. It is very expensive to tour in Florida, since you have to go further south just to turn back around and go north again to get out of the state. Because of this, bands will likely book only one or two cities about half way through the state and then leave, or just completely skip it. Logistics are wild.
When Behemoth came to Rimouski in 2005 it was in a very small venue and one of the roadies went to the people with cameras and asked them not to take pictures. They showed up in full costume and gave one hell of a show but it definitely felt like they didn't want pictures of them playing at what was essentially a pub. With cellphones nowadays there isn't really a way to prevent that kind of footage from going out. Not saying this is the case for Falling in Reverse but it's an attitude that some bands definitely have.
Ronnie does POWER vocals. Really, POWER vocals. I took some vocal training, did a lot of choir in school. So I learned about what can happen to a voice that is strained, overworked. Also the Hell of performing with any kind of illness. Been there. Gods. Nope, not gonna bust his chops for listening to his body.
I remember about twenty years ago a Rammstein show got cancelled while we were all queuing up waiting for the doors to open, and it was due to production issues. They wouldn't have been able to put on their full show as intended with all the pyrotechnics, so the show got cancelled at the very last minute.
On the Charlotte cancelation Ronnie responded on tik tok to someone, that is constanstantly up his ***** and also a general piece of crap to people, that the stage was unsafe, had no overhead truss for lights so they'd be playing in the dark, the place for the drummer would end up being close to pyro and all the bands would have to share a drum kit because of how the stage was set up. This "arena" is at the Music Factory, which has been known to sometimes no have their ****** together.
Honestly smaller shows can be way better and I've seen, it had to be said, a fair number of big acts in smaller venues.. Two venues in the home town of Sheffield are the Octagon (part of Sheffield University, max capacity 1,250) and The Corporation (rock venue with three main areas, max capacity in the stage area I saw the listed bands in is just 453). The Octagon served THIN LIZZY and DREAM THEATER, and the relatively small room in The Corporation gifted me THE DOORS, KIP WINGER, DEVIN TOWNSEND, SOUL SIRKUS and RATT (an especially frenetic show for a room that size!).
Milan to Nürnberg. Just did it for EICMA last week. We drove during the night so it took us ~6 hours including several stops to eat and go to the toilet and stuff.
Posthalle Würzburg haven’t been there in like 9 years but remember being there taking a look at the ceiling and desperately trying to drink away my knowledge of rigging to enjoy the show (Parkway Drive Ire Tour). If FiR did upgrade their Tour Equipment there’s no Chance in hell that Venue would be able to hold the weight.
Even if there are legitimate reasons for cancellation, that doesn't change the fact that Falling in Reverse is building a reputation of cancelling shows, and that people have had bad experiences with Ronnie time and time again. This is a business, and this business keeps cancelling on their clients - in most industries, the "why" being a legitimate reason doesn't negate the fact that cancelling on your clients isn't cool. Saying "well I get your frustration, but it happens" when people have bought flights, hotels, etc. takes away the responsibility from the very well-paid people in charge to arrange a tour with more planning and forethought, so that there aren't going to be 3 more shows cancelled in the first place. Ronnie is still going to sleep a millionaire, while the fans are left high-and-dry.
So, I get sometimes things happen. But if they keep happening, is that really unforeseeable any longer? I guess what I'm getting at is... at some point if you do keep having production/tech cancellations... it may be time to take a look the production manager, promoter, etc... This is show business. The show must go on. (Outside of safety issues, etc...). Productions will always have some challenges and 'less than' performances but cancellations should be rare events. Note: I understand the talent gets sick, injured, are human, etc. Thing happen. But things shouldn't happen all of the time.
Sleep Token just played a show in Budapest in an arena. There are places to upgrade to, but this season is busy here, they may not be able to fit in the schedule.
Just to let you know, the show in Lisbon was also nearly cancelled (according to the promoter) due to last minute changes requested by the band. I have no idea what these changes were and I didn't attend the show, but a lot of people complained about the change in the schedule for that night (which resulted in FIR performing one hour earlier than previously planned).
Yeah its a bummer that most shows in the Netherlands are more in the south. I live in Groningen but most shows are in Tilburg, Utrecht or Amsterdam. Maybe I need to move just so I can attend more concerts. Btw, I just bought tickets for Electric Callboy in Rotterdam!! Wohooo. It's been a time since I've been there. However, Tank please book EC at the Drafbaan Stadspark in Groningen when you have the option?! 😊😊
the Tilburg venue (assuming it 013) is one of the most popular venues in the netherlands. if they cant perform there for any reason its safe to assume other venues might not be able to handle it either
Mwuahahaha 😈 My wifes favorite band that I secretly hate! This warms my heart. ❤ A word of advice for the boys: Don't argue with your lady over pointless shit. I will silently take this win today.
Ah finally someone in the same boat as me. She loves them so much and I'll admit that some of the music is catchy, but goddamn. All the lyrics are about how he doesn't care that no one likes him, and how dare they not like him, and what he could do to the people who don't like him. Did I mention no one likes him? Because he hasn't in the last 2 lines of lyrics.
If it's a Pyro thing, remember that several clubs burned down and killed a bunch of people because pyrotechnics caught the building in fire and there weren't enough emergency exits.
The production of a show I can fully see, only because of high school show choir, and many times the show looked horrible because of what was said can be done ended up not possible, on a big scale like a well known band lol I couldn't even think of the communication needed to make it smooth and worth watching
I know the Budapest show was problems with the venue owner didn't have sufficient security and promised logistics. The one in NL was also too small vs ticketsale and by that security. FIR have been able to get other venues for other shows in other cities
Yes, it's the bleeding obvious, but it needed to be said. The smaller venues have smaller stages, and their set won't fit on the stage. (The "logistical issue" was probably that once the other venues had upgraded, it was no longer viable to bring a smaller set.)
Whatever happened to the bands showing up and playing. At the end of the day, it's about music, not super-duper set ups and stuff. I just saw two bands play shows where it was them and lights. Blew the crowd away.
While i agree the smaller venue thing doesnt seem that plausible at the same time when you mentioned that some venues were as small as 4000 capacity those are still bigger than the shows that got cancelled so just to play devils avocado id still say there is some "potential" truth to be had there lol
anyway, cancelling legit 3 days before the concert cant be the solution...many people dont get back their money for hotel etc, and i have to spend 100 euro for a booked hotel now too, because cancelling that shortly wasnt possible anymore.. i went to more than 150 concerts and festivals in my life and never experienced such a mess like this.
Sounds like if you are an owner of a "smaller" venue that has a good stage but the way equipment gets into the building isn't so good, maybe a new doorway or a dock is in order if it can be done.
Man, you'd think some people would think like that, but they don't. That's why when I advance shows, I always tell them what the tallest and widest piece of our production is and make sure they have a doorway that will fit. But on the flip side, I've also ran into situations where they tell me "yes it'll fit", we show up, and it doesn't.
..... I live in Budapest and go to many shows at Barba Negra and they get big name bands (Godsmack, 5FDP, Dead Daisies) and they all sell out. So, I know the stage or club size should not be the issue.
Question, if the tour cancelled these shows due to too much production for the smaller venues, could they not just do smaller production for the smaller venues, just to put on a show for the fans who want to see them? Maybe pack 1 semi for the smaller venues, because the loadouts should be preplanned and they could setup loadouts like that in advance. My personal opinion id rather see them play period than cancel. Maybe they can do partial refunds, or i personally would still be happy seeing them actually perform than not being able to see them at all.
I can see him being the type that won’t put out less of a show than what he thinks it should be. Meaning, if the venue is putting last minute restrictions of one type or another, they would move it rather than the fans not get the big show.
What annoys me the most when bands say EU tour that often times mean, 5+ shows in Germany, 2-3 in NL, 2-3 in France, 2-3 in UK and maybe 1 in Hungary or Czechia meanwhile the Nordics getting railed up the ass for some reason (yes I'm very butthurt over this obviously CUZ I WANNA SEE MY FAVORITE BANDS DAMN IT)
@LordApoca Not really but say they start in Copenhagen then take the ferry to Gothenburg (like 2 h there) then Oslo (4-5 h drive) then Stockholm (idk how long but at least 7 h drive) then Ferry to Helsinki. Boom all of the nordics in just a few days there are big venues and small venues, even arenas if they are needed
I find it strange that people would be blaming Ronnie to begin with, he's not the stage manager, or runs the stage show or does the back end of gear or anything. It's not like he is going to each venue and approving or denying each stage.
pretending there's no legit reason to dislike Radke is the reason the metal space/scene isn't as diverse as people claim to want. just like with the previous vocalist from Lorna Shore, or with Tim Lambesis. you can't ask for diversity while rehabilitating hateful people and messages just cause they don't affect you or the majority of the active public. it'll stay like that forever if people keep doing this. anyways. enjoyed your content for a long time, Tank, you're one of the few music talking heads i can still listen. but yeah just... figured you would've seen that side more instead of always brushing it off as "haters" (which he seems to love so idk why complain about it constantly). people can be both talented, and also, hateful. just cause someone's good at something doesn't mean we should accept behaviour we wouldn't tolerate in any other space.
I never once said Ronnie was a perfect person and I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, but you can't tell me that people aren't biased when stuff like this happens and they start flipping out just because they don't like him. This dude gets more hate than anyone in the metal scene and a lot of the time it's people making up stuff to be mad about.
@@TankTheTech i understand and agree with that, it's gonna happen if you love getting attention on twitter constantly, it's gonna work both ways (and even so i was with him with the laptop bs lol). but yeah, ofc it happens. im talking specifically at the acting like people hate him for no reason at all. even if you ignore the "legal issues" part of his wikipedia, you can't blame me for disliking a guy who actively tries to attack a whole community on their media, and then acts like a victim.
Without taking the update at face value. In my opinion, I would be mad, with just this little explanation. If they would tell me, that the bigger shows made them get bigger equipment, maybe impossible for smaller shows, I would get it. I just need a reason, if its just a few shows. Tell me why, even tell me that you plan on only bigger shows. Need a break from the bigger shows, whatever, just tell me why, not a reason that could mean anything and nothing.
Just his ego cant fit for those stages...but for real, as someone who saw what went down in Budapest, there is no available arenas at the moment here. But at least Hollywood Undead will play a full set ❤
No metal band is cancelling a Tilburg show if they don't absolutely have to. Tilburg is famous as one of the best venues in Europe (for Metal at least). Just ask Chris Bowes about it. Edit: might not have taken into account the exact venue, wasn't aware that they have multiple :D
Exactly! That's why i was sooooo pissed. Ever heard of Ayreon? Talk about metal Walhalla. If Tilburg is good enough for all those metal heroes on 1 stage.... but i am done. Getting riled up again. I'll save my anger for Rock im Park. There is a Lidl, so maybe i'm gonna buy all the tomatoes. So disrespectful. And no apologies, just blaming "them". Tilburg got ditched for Prague.
Definitely. Been to 013 several times (the last time being only a few weeks ago for Beartooth) and every time it was fantastic. Sound is usually great, and bands tend to go all out on production. The only reason I can think of that they would cancel a Tilburg concert is 'cause it's not the *coughs* almighty Amsterdam. Maybe they were pissed they couldn't book the AFAS or Ziggo or something. Which, thinking about production, is kind of insane. The only difference is that you can have bigger screens in the Ziggo Dome (and maybe more pyro?) but otherwise the 013 in Tilburg absolutely lends itself to a crazy show. Just ask Beartooth. I'm not really a fan of FIR, but some of my friends had tickets, and they were obviously left disappointed. Now I'm taking them to While She Sleeps in Utrecht instead on the exact same date ;)
He should do lives and engage with all the fans he had to cancel on and personally tell them from the heart that he’s sorry and then propose some sort of cool way of making it up like first access to the next new album or song or something idk, just something from the heart and the fans may accept it but just cancelling on them man id feel so dissed.
UPDATE:
People have been messaging me and telling me the Ronnie said on stream recently that the venues canceled the show on them, and not the band. I have not seen said stream or a clip of it, so take that as you will.
That being said, a venue straight up canceling a show without the band's production team being involved in the conversation is incredibly rare, and while I am not a part of their tour and can't tell you what happened in this situation, I would venture to guess that both parties were involved in a lengthy discussion about production aspects and at the end of the day, the venues could not (or would not) accommodate what they needed to pull off their show.
I saw the stream. He clearly said it wasn't FIR and that he's not sick. The venues are the ones that canceled. Unless he is lying, which I doubt.
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I guess the amount pf pyro is a factor. The show is "hot" indeed, I went in Barcelona. And the venue wasn't super big. What they did is they put only one level of pyro instead of a few lewels as they did in the bigger venues in Madrid and Portugal.
16:30 I was recently preparing an indoor festival show for one of the bands I do FoH sound for and when talking to the festival staff I was told I couldn't bring my own sound desk because there's not enough space at FoH and they don't want desks being moved through the audience mid show etc etc. And I told the band and their management that I just straight up refuse to do a show for this specific band on a house desk, especially if it is a desk I don't know inside out. With that the band told the festival that they had booked a certain production that is detailed in the tech rider (which is part of the contract after all) and either they make the rider possible including my sound desk or the show was not going to happen.
There are things one can work around. But other things are so essential, they can't just be removed from the production and still put on a show that everyone (especially the audience) is happy with.
👍 I have a really hard time trusting house consoles these days. I run into too many that have had the snot beat out of them.
The Americans forget how close things are in Europe. The Europeans forget how MASSIVE the US is...
I recently had the fortunate opposite of this issue. I bought tickets for Within Temptation for a venue in Oslo that can take like 1000-1500 people and then they upgraded to Spektrum which can take around 8500. The screens they brought wouldn’t even fit laying down in the first venue. Ended up with a badass show.
They also moved the Warsaw gig to Łódź in Poland due to the concert requirements according to the organizer in Poland. Maybe their show has some technical requirements for the places and where they can, they switch arenas and cancel shows where they can't move them to another place
Careful Ronnie’s gonna get butt hurt at you again
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Wait ronnie got butthurt by Tank before?
@ Yeah short version basically he accused tank of using Ronnie for clout so tank doesn’t review any of his music or videos anymore pretty sure Tank has a video about it somewhere if you care to look
@@Warchild0311 If Ronnie Radke were in a SAW trap, and he had access to Google, his first search would be Ronnie Radke. He's so full of himself, and so full of shit, that there's literally no way to tell where the shit ends and he begins.
@@Warchild0311 The guy who used his own mugshot as an album cover thinks someone is looking for clout? Tank isn't a female, so I doubt he has much to worry about, physically.
Anyone who makes Ronnie mad is good in my book.
@TanktheTech If you ever have some time, I'd love a video about the logistics of booking a tour, what goes into it, just so I can link it to people who complain about a band not doing a show near them
It would be nice if bands with big productions could have an alternate plan for smaller venues. Back in the 90s, I watched GWAR and KMFDM in a small club venue in Palo Alto, CA. They both had big productions, but it was nice being able to watch GWAR close enough to be in the splash zone anywhere in the club (the smash a lot of stuff full of fake blood for their theatrics).
I know what you mean watching GWAR. HAve sen them in a 1k people concert early 90´s. Such a great show on a mini stage!
This is exactly what happened in Charlotte, NC. They booked a small venue that would require them to scale down their production and Ronnie doesn't want to do that. The reality is that FIR could do an extremely scaled down show in these small venues instead of cancelling. It is highly unlikely that these venues could not handle a non pyro extremely stripped down production type show.
That's not what happened in Charlotte. Ronnie said what they were told and what they got didn't match up and the stage was unsafe (no overhead lighting truss, position of the pyro and drum area, etc).
@@crit-c4637 that venue had zero cancelled shows all summer including shows right before and right after the FIR date. The venue is small so totally understand no pyro, so do the show without pyro. Fans flew in, drove hours, and booked hotels. I'm pretty sure if the only option was to see FIR with no pyro and very minimal lighting that they would choose that over cancellation.
@@MrRandytheRam But if I'm paying the same price that bigger production shows are & getting less- that's ass! I'd be pissed! Seen them in Chicago in September & let me tell you they put on a hell of a show!! WITH the pyro & the whole production!
@@nikkipopadopI understand but if you had to pick between no fancy production or cancelled show, what would you pick?
Depending on how the whole production is structured it may not be possible to scale it down on the fly to match the venue in many cases. I'm talking only about the technical aspect of being able to do it, then there's the whole point of "does the band actually want to do it based on how the show would end up being", which is another thing to consider
‚Take a day off in Stuttgart‘ lolol as someone who lives near there, that is not a place to take a day off in. Dirty, unsafe, not much to see… there’s some nice places sure but nah I’d recommend Mainz maybe~ btw I know this doesn’t really have much to do with this vid but I just had to throw that in there 😅
I wanted to go to the show in Germany, but for me it was suspicous from the start. I know the venue and if you follow FIR for a longer time, you know they cancled shows before, because the venues were too small an they couldn't set up their whole show. So in my case I bought Tickets to another concert too. (Told friends about my fears for a cancellation, but they didn't listen to me) If you believe what Ronnie said on his stream, he didn't even know it was canceled in the first place and he said that the venue is to blame for it, they wouldn't have turned down a sold out show. And in the case to said show I wanted to go, I can totally understand that they couldn't have brought all the gear on that small stage and gurantee for safety espacially if you consider the flames they use. Soo it's sad, but I wouldn't hate on the band. If you want to hate on someone turn it on the management or the venue.
You're right! When the tour was planned, it was not clear that there would be so many fans and correspondingly many ticket sales. I have tickets for Berlin and there it was initially a smaller location with 3,500 people and then it was upgraded to a stadium with 12,500 people. I was a little sad about it, but it gives more people the chance to see them live. By the way, I found out today that they will be playing at many festivals in Europe next year. I always go to the NovaRock Festival and they are already booked there, so I get to see them twice. 🥳🥳🥳
Charlotte resident here! SUM41 did pyro at the same venue, so I doubt that was an issue. IIRC Ronnie said in a response post that the stage was too cramped, no room for openers to use their own gear/drum kit, etc. There was a rumor that they thought they booked the larger local venue that they played when they opened for A7X, but I haven’t seen that confirmed anywhere. We were refunded.
So you think they wanted to lose maybe 200 000 dollars out of pure spite?
@@LeperMessiah2 OP never said that, not even implied.
@@LeperMessiah2 it wouldnt surprise me considering its ronnie xD
Ronnie also said the pyro would've been next to the drum kit, the crowd wouldn't be able to see the drummers, and there was no overhead truss for lighting so they'd all be in the dark.
excuses, what a shitty artist why the hell would someone support this band
In 2015 I had the opportunity to see Five Finger Death Punch, HELLYEAH, and Nothing More at the Covelli Center in Youngstown, Ohio. It had to be cancelled but they did come back and the headliner(FFDP) told everyone who had tickets to the previous show to bring their stub or proof of their ticket and they get in without having to pay again. The original reason for cancelling was due to the size of the Covelli and they had to rework the show to make everything work out.
I really enjoy this page, a page where there is a in depth overview on what goes on with the business and logistical aspects of touring. 🤘
Well said Tank. I think you're spot on. But haters are gonna hate. Especially with Ronnie. Oh well.
You act like Ronnie doesn’t bring some of the hate on himself
Always love to get your insight into the music industry, Thank you Tank!
when i worked with The Hu band their production manager was pissed cuz they couldnt set up the entire production and could only use half of what they brought, so of the 6 trucks they brought, yes we unloaded 6 trucks and then reloaded 3 of them cuz what they wanted to use was on the other trucks so i can understand cancelling due to the venue not being able to support a full production, the same venue also had Creed and of the 4 trucks they brought, we used 2 trucks..so ya..their production was set for arena shows but the venue isnt an arena..it is what it is with bands these days now though..
I experienced the "Lesser Production" for Rammstein in Chicago in 2022 where they couldn't do the pyro over the crowd for Du Hast. Kinda bummed me out a bit as that is one of the parts of the show I was looking forward too. That being said I'm still happy I got to see them and would love to see them again when/if they do another US tour. . . . just not in Chicago.
Speaking of venue-size, at the tailend of Covid, and you still couldnt travel, Sabaton made a swedish tour where they played at every(ish) smalltown in Sweden with a lot of venues -2k people that usually holds only garage bands.
Small anecdote to add. As Tank said sometimes bands outgrow the venues before the tour starts. One of the places i work has three small venues 500-1300. The issue is that the next largest venue is 6 hrs away. Usually we get larger bands in the smaller venue as we do have a sizeable population and can support higher ticket prices. Anyways we had Noah Kahan booked (not announced) for an outdoor 300 person show. He released an album. Stick season happened and there was no way we could fit him, even in the slightly larger indokr venue So it was struck. This stuff happens.
Ronnie Radke: *is against cancel culture*
Also Ronnie Radke: "This show is canceled"
Not even the same thing you clown
There could be lots of issues which led to these cancellations.
The odd thing with the one because of the laptop is that they didn't have file backups which could be used. You'd think that would be thought of on a tour that size in case of a failure or laptop going missing.
9:45 Former Local from Würzburg here. @Tank you hit the nail with no bigger venue for würzburg. There´s the Tectake Arena (former Homeground for Dirk Nowitzki) but it´s not very suitable for concerts.
heard, that pyro is not posible in this venue, so they canceled it.
On cities getting missed... Florida is not only routinely missed, but skipped. It is very expensive to tour in Florida, since you have to go further south just to turn back around and go north again to get out of the state. Because of this, bands will likely book only one or two cities about half way through the state and then leave, or just completely skip it. Logistics are wild.
killer so killer TANK DEFINITELY KNOWS HIS SHT
Warsaw gig has been moved to Łódź, from a 5k people venue to a 13k arena. Bold move, an entirely different city 140 km away.
When Behemoth came to Rimouski in 2005 it was in a very small venue and one of the roadies went to the people with cameras and asked them not to take pictures. They showed up in full costume and gave one hell of a show but it definitely felt like they didn't want pictures of them playing at what was essentially a pub. With cellphones nowadays there isn't really a way to prevent that kind of footage from going out. Not saying this is the case for Falling in Reverse but it's an attitude that some bands definitely have.
Ronnie does POWER vocals. Really, POWER vocals. I took some vocal training, did a lot of choir in school. So I learned about what can happen to a voice that is strained, overworked. Also the Hell of performing with any kind of illness. Been there. Gods.
Nope, not gonna bust his chops for listening to his body.
Sadly, Olympia WA doesn't have a big concert venue, so I have to drive up to Seattle or down to Portland to see a band.
I feel that, Oly needs somethin
I remember about twenty years ago a Rammstein show got cancelled while we were all queuing up waiting for the doors to open, and it was due to production issues.
They wouldn't have been able to put on their full show as intended with all the pyrotechnics, so the show got cancelled at the very last minute.
It’s funny how similar this reaction is to when Spiritbox cancelled dates when they were on tour with FiR
On the Charlotte cancelation Ronnie responded on tik tok to someone, that is constanstantly up his ***** and also a general piece of crap to people, that the stage was unsafe, had no overhead truss for lights so they'd be playing in the dark, the place for the drummer would end up being close to pyro and all the bands would have to share a drum kit because of how the stage was set up. This "arena" is at the Music Factory, which has been known to sometimes no have their ****** together.
Oh and the drummers for all the bands wouldn't be able to be seen by the fans.
Honestly smaller shows can be way better and I've seen, it had to be said, a fair number of big acts in smaller venues.. Two venues in the home town of Sheffield are the Octagon (part of Sheffield University, max capacity 1,250) and The Corporation (rock venue with three main areas, max capacity in the stage area I saw the listed bands in is just 453). The Octagon served THIN LIZZY and DREAM THEATER, and the relatively small room in The Corporation gifted me THE DOORS, KIP WINGER, DEVIN TOWNSEND, SOUL SIRKUS and RATT (an especially frenetic show for a room that size!).
in 'Merican:
Boston to NY is about a 5hr drive.
Austin to New Orleans is about a 8hr drive.
San Fransisco to Portland is about a 10hr drive.
Just wanned to say that it's awesome, that you value correct the pronounciation of german words ^^ Kinda fills me with joy
Milan to Nürnberg. Just did it for EICMA last week. We drove during the night so it took us ~6 hours including several stops to eat and go to the toilet and stuff.
Posthalle Würzburg haven’t been there in like 9 years but remember being there taking a look at the ceiling and desperately trying to drink away my knowledge of rigging to enjoy the show (Parkway Drive Ire Tour). If FiR did upgrade their Tour Equipment there’s no Chance in hell that Venue would be able to hold the weight.
Even if there are legitimate reasons for cancellation, that doesn't change the fact that Falling in Reverse is building a reputation of cancelling shows, and that people have had bad experiences with Ronnie time and time again. This is a business, and this business keeps cancelling on their clients - in most industries, the "why" being a legitimate reason doesn't negate the fact that cancelling on your clients isn't cool.
Saying "well I get your frustration, but it happens" when people have bought flights, hotels, etc. takes away the responsibility from the very well-paid people in charge to arrange a tour with more planning and forethought, so that there aren't going to be 3 more shows cancelled in the first place. Ronnie is still going to sleep a millionaire, while the fans are left high-and-dry.
So, I get sometimes things happen. But if they keep happening, is that really unforeseeable any longer? I guess what I'm getting at is... at some point if you do keep having production/tech cancellations... it may be time to take a look the production manager, promoter, etc... This is show business. The show must go on. (Outside of safety issues, etc...). Productions will always have some challenges and 'less than' performances but cancellations should be rare events.
Note: I understand the talent gets sick, injured, are human, etc. Thing happen. But things shouldn't happen all of the time.
Sleep Token just played a show in Budapest in an arena. There are places to upgrade to, but this season is busy here, they may not be able to fit in the schedule.
Just to let you know, the show in Lisbon was also nearly cancelled (according to the promoter) due to last minute changes requested by the band. I have no idea what these changes were and I didn't attend the show, but a lot of people complained about the change in the schedule for that night (which resulted in FIR performing one hour earlier than previously planned).
you're being incredibly nice to them :)
Yeah its a bummer that most shows in the Netherlands are more in the south. I live in Groningen but most shows are in Tilburg, Utrecht or Amsterdam. Maybe I need to move just so I can attend more concerts. Btw, I just bought tickets for Electric Callboy in Rotterdam!! Wohooo. It's been a time since I've been there. However, Tank please book EC at the Drafbaan Stadspark in Groningen when you have the option?! 😊😊
Thanks Tank, good info
the Tilburg venue (assuming it 013) is one of the most popular venues in the netherlands. if they cant perform there for any reason its safe to assume other venues might not be able to handle it either
Hey tank, i think you'd be able to have a good conversation with Alan Averill from primordial on his podcast agertators anonymous.
Dude what is your anime intro thing from?
UA-cam intro
It's a stock UA-cam premiere countdown. There's like 15 to choose from for premieres and it's the only one that doesn't suck. Haha
I was suprised to see them book that venue in hungary. It’s a small venue for a band with their level of production. I think the stage was too small.
I also did a tour with a hungarian band and we had venues where we had to reduce the stage equipment due to stage size
UA-cam decided to hit me with a beer advert at 2:45 and I like it
Mwuahahaha 😈
My wifes favorite band that I secretly hate!
This warms my heart. ❤
A word of advice for the boys:
Don't argue with your lady over pointless shit.
I will silently take this win today.
Ah finally someone in the same boat as me. She loves them so much and I'll admit that some of the music is catchy, but goddamn. All the lyrics are about how he doesn't care that no one likes him, and how dare they not like him, and what he could do to the people who don't like him. Did I mention no one likes him? Because he hasn't in the last 2 lines of lyrics.
If it's a Pyro thing, remember that several clubs burned down and killed a bunch of people because pyrotechnics caught the building in fire and there weren't enough emergency exits.
My band were booked to open for Voivod back in the 2010's and the show was cancelled due to visa troubles. Shit happens.
The production of a show I can fully see, only because of high school show choir, and many times the show looked horrible because of what was said can be done ended up not possible, on a big scale like a well known band lol I couldn't even think of the communication needed to make it smooth and worth watching
I was so happy to get tickets for Würzburg. I´m still dissapointend....I saw other bands like Trivium in that venue. Or As I lay Dying
I know the Budapest show was problems with the venue owner didn't have sufficient security and promised logistics. The one in NL was also too small vs ticketsale and by that security. FIR have been able to get other venues for other shows in other cities
Yes, it's the bleeding obvious, but it needed to be said. The smaller venues have smaller stages, and their set won't fit on the stage. (The "logistical issue" was probably that once the other venues had upgraded, it was no longer viable to bring a smaller set.)
we dont hate Ronnie for no reason, he deserves the hate for being a horrible person
Real. I don't understand how people keep looking past all the mean and horrible stuff Ronnie has done.
I think its just the fact that FIR is so hype now and therefore in the spotlight on somed that is made a point.
Next react Epica Kingdom of Heaven part 1 Omega Alive show
My friend Max was the guitar player for falling in reverse for the last 7 years but he recently left the band. Still hadn’t said why.
they upgraded also from Warsaw to Łódź, where is bigger arena
I'm so damn old, I had no clue who this band was until a few months ago.
would it happen to be the Pyro the show has? I think they canceled some shows here in the states because of that
with the stage being small?
Saw them at the House of Blues in Myrtle beach sc and that venue only holds 2800 max capacity so I doubt it’s because the venue is “too small”
because Ronnie Radke was too upset to find out he was mentioned on Chapo
Their tickets in europe are super expensive. 200+ euros for better spots. Wouldn't go to see them even if they played 10 meters from my house
Whatever happened to the bands showing up and playing. At the end of the day, it's about music, not super-duper set ups and stuff. I just saw two bands play shows where it was them and lights. Blew the crowd away.
Sebastian Bach fighting with Ronnie feels like the spider man pointing at spiderman meme.
Ronnie said on Kick that the venues cancelled.
I have to say that routing sometimes does make sense. Sabaton will tour next year and the routing does not make any sense.
While i agree the smaller venue thing doesnt seem that plausible at the same time when you mentioned that some venues were as small as 4000 capacity those are still bigger than the shows that got cancelled so just to play devils avocado id still say there is some "potential" truth to be had there lol
anyway, cancelling legit 3 days before the concert cant be the solution...many people dont get back their money for hotel etc, and i have to spend 100 euro for a booked hotel now too, because cancelling that shortly wasnt possible anymore.. i went to more than 150 concerts and festivals in my life and never experienced such a mess like this.
Sounds like if you are an owner of a "smaller" venue that has a good stage but the way equipment gets into the building isn't so good, maybe a new doorway or a dock is in order if it can be done.
Man, you'd think some people would think like that, but they don't. That's why when I advance shows, I always tell them what the tallest and widest piece of our production is and make sure they have a doorway that will fit. But on the flip side, I've also ran into situations where they tell me "yes it'll fit", we show up, and it doesn't.
@@TankTheTech Makes me think of National Lampoon's European vacation "The car will fit honey I promise"
..... I live in Budapest and go to many shows at Barba Negra and they get big name bands (Godsmack, 5FDP, Dead Daisies) and they all sell out. So, I know the stage or club size should not be the issue.
There is rumors about Danzig cancelling show if he didn't like the venue. He'd walk in and didn't like the vibe and walk out.
Question, if the tour cancelled these shows due to too much production for the smaller venues, could they not just do smaller production for the smaller venues, just to put on a show for the fans who want to see them? Maybe pack 1 semi for the smaller venues, because the loadouts should be preplanned and they could setup loadouts like that in advance. My personal opinion id rather see them play period than cancel. Maybe they can do partial refunds, or i personally would still be happy seeing them actually perform than not being able to see them at all.
I can see him being the type that won’t put out less of a show than what he thinks it should be. Meaning, if the venue is putting last minute restrictions of one type or another, they would move it rather than the fans not get the big show.
What annoys me the most when bands say EU tour that often times mean, 5+ shows in Germany, 2-3 in NL, 2-3 in France, 2-3 in UK and maybe 1 in Hungary or Czechia meanwhile the Nordics getting railed up the ass for some reason (yes I'm very butthurt over this obviously CUZ I WANNA SEE MY FAVORITE BANDS DAMN IT)
Isn't it only like a 2 hour drive lmao
@LordApoca Not really but say they start in Copenhagen then take the ferry to Gothenburg (like 2 h there) then Oslo (4-5 h drive) then Stockholm (idk how long but at least 7 h drive) then Ferry to Helsinki. Boom all of the nordics in just a few days there are big venues and small venues, even arenas if they are needed
I find it strange that people would be blaming Ronnie to begin with, he's not the stage manager, or runs the stage show or does the back end of gear or anything. It's not like he is going to each venue and approving or denying each stage.
I wasn’t even aware
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Now that Tank is German, he really hits the German pronunciation hard hahah
pretending there's no legit reason to dislike Radke is the reason the metal space/scene isn't as diverse as people claim to want. just like with the previous vocalist from Lorna Shore, or with Tim Lambesis. you can't ask for diversity while rehabilitating hateful people and messages just cause they don't affect you or the majority of the active public. it'll stay like that forever if people keep doing this.
anyways. enjoyed your content for a long time, Tank, you're one of the few music talking heads i can still listen. but yeah just... figured you would've seen that side more instead of always brushing it off as "haters" (which he seems to love so idk why complain about it constantly). people can be both talented, and also, hateful. just cause someone's good at something doesn't mean we should accept behaviour we wouldn't tolerate in any other space.
(also without haters he would have nothing to write about in his lyrics 🙃 )
I never once said Ronnie was a perfect person and I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, but you can't tell me that people aren't biased when stuff like this happens and they start flipping out just because they don't like him. This dude gets more hate than anyone in the metal scene and a lot of the time it's people making up stuff to be mad about.
@@TankTheTech i understand and agree with that, it's gonna happen if you love getting attention on twitter constantly, it's gonna work both ways (and even so i was with him with the laptop bs lol). but yeah, ofc it happens.
im talking specifically at the acting like people hate him for no reason at all. even if you ignore the "legal issues" part of his wikipedia, you can't blame me for disliking a guy who actively tries to attack a whole community on their media, and then acts like a victim.
Just like I thought, well said!
If you travel to a city and book a hotel etc you should kind of know you are taking a risk. It sucks but we all know cancellations happen.
Without taking the update at face value.
In my opinion, I would be mad, with just this little explanation.
If they would tell me, that the bigger shows made them get bigger equipment, maybe impossible for smaller shows, I would get it.
I just need a reason, if its just a few shows. Tell me why, even tell me that you plan on only bigger shows. Need a break from the bigger shows, whatever, just tell me why, not a reason that could mean anything and nothing.
I have no idea why they've cancelled shows, so here is 20 minutes of me explaining why they have cancelled shows 😂
The business aspect isn’t why he loses credibility. It’s the non stop bitching and moaning that strips him credibility.
So, what does their tour manager do professionally? 🙃
Just his ego cant fit for those stages...but for real, as someone who saw what went down in Budapest, there is no available arenas at the moment here. But at least Hollywood Undead will play a full set ❤
Thank you for being real when its so easy to hate on Ronnie. Like yeah he's unlikable...but it's not like EVERYTHING is his fault.
No metal band is cancelling a Tilburg show if they don't absolutely have to. Tilburg is famous as one of the best venues in Europe (for Metal at least). Just ask Chris Bowes about it. Edit: might not have taken into account the exact venue, wasn't aware that they have multiple :D
Exactly! That's why i was sooooo pissed. Ever heard of Ayreon? Talk about metal Walhalla. If Tilburg is good enough for all those metal heroes on 1 stage.... but i am done. Getting riled up again. I'll save my anger for Rock im Park. There is a Lidl, so maybe i'm gonna buy all the tomatoes. So disrespectful. And no apologies, just blaming "them". Tilburg got ditched for Prague.
Definitely. Been to 013 several times (the last time being only a few weeks ago for Beartooth) and every time it was fantastic. Sound is usually great, and bands tend to go all out on production. The only reason I can think of that they would cancel a Tilburg concert is 'cause it's not the *coughs* almighty Amsterdam. Maybe they were pissed they couldn't book the AFAS or Ziggo or something. Which, thinking about production, is kind of insane. The only difference is that you can have bigger screens in the Ziggo Dome (and maybe more pyro?) but otherwise the 013 in Tilburg absolutely lends itself to a crazy show. Just ask Beartooth. I'm not really a fan of FIR, but some of my friends had tickets, and they were obviously left disappointed. Now I'm taking them to While She Sleeps in Utrecht instead on the exact same date ;)
Idk what the climate of that area of the world is, but it's winter. What's the weather doing...?
I noticed they been cancelling shows for years some for legit reasons but others not so much
Rumor has it, that the Pyro Show is the problem.
Ronnie is very much an unreasonable person AS A PERSON, but he is not stupid when comes to the music business & very much knows his shit on that front
FIR didn't cancel these shows. The venues and or promoters did. Out of their hands.
Any MCR situation update speculation
I have read a lot but don't know what is true
He should do lives and engage with all the fans he had to cancel on and personally tell them from the heart that he’s sorry and then propose some sort of cool way of making it up like first access to the next new album or song or something idk, just something from the heart and the fans may accept it but just cancelling on them man id feel so dissed.