A Routine Emirates Takeoff almost Turns into Australia's Worst Disaster | Terror in Melbourne

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  • Find out how a routine takeoff performed by an Emirates Airbus A340-500 (operating as Emirates Flight 407) nearly turned into Australia's worst air disaster.
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  • @steveallen1340
    @steveallen1340 2 роки тому +418

    I remember they had to get the plane from Australia to France for repairs. The plane could not be pressured so it had to fly at low altitude. I believe it needed to stop something like 4 times to refuel due to the high fuel consumption of low altitude flight.

    • @andyrob3259
      @andyrob3259 2 роки тому +7

      I wondered how they got a plane with dubious integrity back to France without depression.

    • @heisdeadjim
      @heisdeadjim 2 роки тому +16

      Dumb question. Couldn't they not have bothered without pressurisation and flown just pilot and copilot wearing oxygen?
      Or, is that dumb? :)

    • @aroy8094
      @aroy8094 2 роки тому +25

      @@heisdeadjim plane would have suffered further severe damage and wouldn't have made it very far

    • @Adthin
      @Adthin 2 роки тому +10

      @@heisdeadjim At that point you are taking off while *knowing* you are going to be putting yourself at risk for a relatively long time, also it would be extremely cold (-50C) at cruise, not to mention additional oxygen tanks would have to be fitted. Although technically possible if say the oxygen was to run out the plane would of almost certainly crashed and its not worth that large of a risk to save some fuel an dtime

    • @laserfloyd
      @laserfloyd 2 роки тому +12

      @@heisdeadjim I believe you'd need to wear a fully pressurized suit as well just because the body doesn't respond well to high altitude/low pressure. 🤔 It's not a dumb question as I was curious as well.

  • @errorsofmodernism9715
    @errorsofmodernism9715 2 роки тому +225

    I was working at MEL when this happened, the airrcraft WAS a write off but EK did not want a hull loss on it's record so they paid to have it repaired

    • @alizierny
      @alizierny 2 роки тому +33

      @@duane. seen other comments suggesting that both pilots were asked to resign and both did

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому +16

      These mishaps have to be repaired according to specs, like replacing the metal involved by 30% over the extend of the damages, or long terms, the plane may fall apart. It has happened with a Boeing . The plane fell apart in flight over the ocean; as the investigation tracked it down to exactly that. It had not been properly repaired. but lasted for 20 years, until it disintegrated. All 222 or so people died during the break up or when hitting the water. These repairs are not cosmetic !!!!!! They are vital ! I would not want to fly that plane unless I inspected the report but who has the time for that ? these pilots get pushed around and not likely make the effort to check the history of these planes. Tragic, all around.

    • @halfonsojimenez
      @halfonsojimenez 2 роки тому +5

      ..that's true, I was working at MEL too right that day that it happened..

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 2 роки тому +5

      @@alizierny Not good. They both would have been much better pilots for those errors.

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 2 роки тому +1

      I can't see that damage causing a write-off.

  • @jiaconis
    @jiaconis 2 роки тому +96

    It never ceases to amaze me how such a small oversight can have huge implications! This is a great example of the need for communication and confirmation between the Pilot and Co Pilot! Thanks to TFC for another outstanding presentation!!!

    • @christianandersen6101
      @christianandersen6101 2 роки тому +5

      100 tons is not small, but kind of wierd that the check list is not verbal spoken by the computer, like alexa! you feel me, we need more AI for the planes. Pilots always are at fault for most of the viedos i have watched..

    • @kamalakannan28
      @kamalakannan28 2 роки тому +7

      100 tons!!! It’s not at all small… like not at all!!!!!!

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому +3

      That was not a small oversight. These numbers will allow the plane to fly or will keep it on the ground. It is that simple.

    • @christianandersen6101
      @christianandersen6101 2 роки тому +1

      @@kamalakannan28 like brining home a girl that say she weigh 60 kg, but she is 90 kg. Porco dio

    • @juhapehkonen7347
      @juhapehkonen7347 2 роки тому

      Missing the right button by 2 centimeters is a small oversight :-)

  • @opwave79
    @opwave79 2 роки тому +10

    I sometimes watch flight videos where the first 20 minutes of video are the pilot and f/o running through a checklist, pointing at data on computer screens, and testing nearly every switch, button, dial and lever in the cockpit. It might look really boring to a layperson, but that attention to detail is literally lifesaving.

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  • @grommy1234
    @grommy1234 2 роки тому +57

    I like it when TFC tells us what eventually happened to the accident airframe. Sound design was amazing. Thanks!

  • @MrWills789
    @MrWills789 2 роки тому +19

    I’m A Citizen of Melbourne and I Remember my Parents watching this from their back window, at the time we lived in the Essendon suburbs (Which is 5 minutes from Melbourne Airport) My dad heared a massive scrape and looked outside to a A340, scraping its tail along the dirt and Runway lights. Luckily the plane took off in time.

    • @sametoyoutoo8509
      @sametoyoutoo8509 2 роки тому

      Woah what a sight to see

    • @kurtis1151
      @kurtis1151 2 роки тому +1

      this wasn’t at Essendon airport so i don’t see how your story makes sense

    • @MrWills789
      @MrWills789 2 роки тому +1

      @@kurtis1151 My parents didn’t live in Essendon airport. They lived in a suburb in Essendon which is is north of ‘Essendon Airport’. From the suburb u can see both runways in Melbourne Tullmarine airport

    • @leeleefallen
      @leeleefallen 2 роки тому

      @@MrWills789 There is literally no house in the area that would allow you to actually see the runways let alone even the plane going along them before taking off at the end of Runway 34.

    • @ploppers1000
      @ploppers1000 Рік тому

      You must've lived in the house from The Castle, you know the one in Coolaroo that backs onto Melbourne Airport !

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge2747
    @filledwithvariousknowledge2747 2 роки тому +17

    The fact this happened at night further highlights my preference of day flights whenever possible. This, that recent incident before Christmas, the one in 2004 at Johannesburg on the shorter runway and EK521 at Dubai all took place at night

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому +2

      It made no difference whatsoever in this case.

    • @michaelfreeman4218
      @michaelfreeman4218 2 роки тому

      International flights from Melbourne often do so in order to land during daylight at their destination. Unfortunately, we're about 12 hrs from SE Asia so either taking off or landing on the dark is inevitable for many places we like to travel to

  • @willj1598
    @willj1598 2 роки тому +434

    Truly an amazing machine that even with a 200000 lb error they were able to get the required thrust to get airborne within seconds.

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому +8

      The design is already borderline as many seem to drag these tails. They are too long.......they should make the landing gears taller, to allow more space at the tail, when they take off. On the other hand, they can go faster and be more stable, on the take off run, closer to the runway. Bottom line, got to stick to the numbers. Check the Antonov 225 , the largest cargo plane, made in Russia. Amazing to watch taking-off. It appears short and fat, with lots of wheels.......

    • @qwerty112311
      @qwerty112311 2 роки тому +98

      @@linanicolia1363 very ignorant statement. There are thousands of flights per week in the US alone with long body planes like the 757-300 and 737-900. How often do you hear about tail strikes? Basically never because nearly all pilots have the basic capacity not to be dumb and over rotate. This isn’t a design flaw, it’s pilot error, full stop.

    • @Horizon301.
      @Horizon301. 2 роки тому +4

      10 knot difference

    • @treysimmons2589
      @treysimmons2589 2 роки тому +30

      @@linanicolia1363 made in Ukraine, not Russia.

    • @vernonsmithee792
      @vernonsmithee792 2 роки тому +5

      @@qwerty112311 I'm surprised that the genius engineers at Airbus didn't put in pitch limiting software.

  • @Trevor_Austin
    @Trevor_Austin 2 роки тому +58

    The good old fashioned 100 ton error. I wonder of there isn’t an airline where this hasn’t happened. One check which would have helped would be the person doing the speed calculations giving V2 or VFR to their colleague. In return, their colleague uses a different method to determine the weight. V2 (standard or improved climb) and VFR are weight dependent so this should flag up the big errors.

  • @MrPLC999
    @MrPLC999 2 роки тому +36

    This is rookie stuff. When a pilot has that kind of experience with a particular aircraft, you cannot simply overlook a difference of 100 TONS in take off weight. It's going to give you odd figures for V1/VR and engine thrust which would be major red flags for trouble. It's like you go to pay your $2000 monthly mortgage but you write the check for $1000, and you don't give it another thought.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому +2

      No. Not really. If the airline is using balanced field calculations the data may not seem anomalous.

    • @joshjones9878
      @joshjones9878 2 роки тому +1

      its called fatigue bro, and poorly designed SOPs

    • @jf7243
      @jf7243 2 роки тому +4

      Well said MrPLC999, short cutting pre take off procedures that should be drilled. All those threshold data should have been at the forefront of their brains. Very very lucky souls aboard that flight.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому +1

      @@jf7243 you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому +1

      @@chemicalfrankie1030 not really. Pilots don’t fly the same route each day but fly around a whole network so aren’t likely to be be used a particular weight for a route, especially as the weight even on the same route can have massive variations.

  • @ray.shoesmith
    @ray.shoesmith 2 роки тому +128

    I have photos of the scrape marks on the end of the runway and through the grass, and of the broken ILS antenna that the landing gear hit. Also of the damage to the aircraft after it returned to the field. A work colleague who was driving home past the golf course actually stopped because he swore it wouldn't clear the boundary fence. The damage was so bad at the rear of the aircraft that it couldn't be pressurised and had to be flown (eventually) from Melbourne to the Airbus factory in Toulouse below 10,000 ft.The tail strike wore right through the aluminium, you could see the airframe stringers clearly.
    edit: I put the photos in a youtube video if anyone is interested
    ua-cam.com/users/shorts5SM_Ln6hiuc

    • @ForkInTheButt
      @ForkInTheButt 2 роки тому +3

      Thanks

    • @Jazz_Tamatea
      @Jazz_Tamatea 2 роки тому +7

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    • @David-oj4lq
      @David-oj4lq 2 роки тому +3

      So cool man, thanks

    • @ray.shoesmith
      @ray.shoesmith 2 роки тому +17

      I've been an ATC for over 20 years and it's the closest thing I've seen to a major airline accident. Runway 16/34 has a slope on it, if they were on 34 instead of 16 they would have never gotten airborne and would have turned into a flaming wreckage. Also lucky that there are no building structures off the end of R16 because they would have never cleared anything higher than one story tall. Very, very lucky all around.

    • @cc8530
      @cc8530 2 роки тому

      and here you are monetising on youtube your photos of a non event catastrophe. what a wonderful human you are

  • @jjohnston94
    @jjohnston94 2 роки тому +30

    Maybe it's not reasonable, but I would have to imagine the captain would look at the takeoff weight of 269 tonnes and say, "In my 1300 hours in this airplane, I've noticed that takeoff weight is usually more like 369 tonnes. I wonder if that could be a mistake?"

    • @moestrei
      @moestrei 2 роки тому +4

      Agree.....gotta have a bit of gut feeling in what range numbers should be. Also when the bird starts moving to feel hey thats a bit slow today, something doesn't match up.

    • @johnfisher747
      @johnfisher747 2 роки тому +6

      That’s right but there were claims both flight crew were fatigued from max duty times over the previous period, it was late evening and they weren’t at peak performance. I also thought that an experienced captain would have in mind a few standard gross take off weight numbers in mind as a quick reference cross check. I mean if your weekly grocery bill is usually around $360 and then this week it’s only $260 that would get your attention you’d think?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому +6

      The pilots also regularly flew the A340-300 which has a MTOW of about 280 tons so flying this they can get all sorts of numbers coming through each flight

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому +3

      @@moestrei they also flew the A340-300 occasionally which normally does have slow acceleration

    • @ChrisBarrow-617
      @ChrisBarrow-617 2 роки тому +3

      You've got to take in to account that 1300hrs on type is not a lot when you consider most flights are approx 12-14hrs on this type of aircraft, so approx 100 flights, and then take into account crew rest time when the other crew flew the aircraft.

  • @gordoncomstock2459
    @gordoncomstock2459 2 роки тому +42

    I can't believe that four experienced pilots in the cockpit didn't have a gut feeling that the v1 and V2 speeds were out of the ball park.

    • @Sorarse
      @Sorarse 2 роки тому +11

      I'd be surprised if the 2 relief pilots were actually in the cockpit.

    • @madhatter9001
      @madhatter9001 2 роки тому +5

      Isn't that the problem with allowing a computer to do all the work, and the Pilots simply along for the ride? Perhaps AI should input all data, that way the FO can't screw it up.

    • @andreferro4618
      @andreferro4618 2 роки тому +1

      I believe that it happens due to the fact that nowadays companies look for a kind of profile that doesn't match the real profile a pilot is supposed to have... I may be wrong but I deeply believe I'm not.
      Gut feeling only comes from REAL PILOTS, because they fly basicaly by their instincts.
      By the way... Emirates almost did that again some days ago.
      Greetings from Brazil.

    • @andyrob3259
      @andyrob3259 2 роки тому +2

      That’s what I thought. Surely if they have flown that route many times they’d sort of know what the plane should be weighing. And that 100 tonnes less should be questioned. Immediately.

  • @Alipore70
    @Alipore70 2 роки тому +2

    A few weeks ago I read about an Emirates Boeing 777-300 ER flying dangerously low for some distance after take off. Narrowly missing rooftops … something about the automatic settings being wrong. Scary ! It’s an Airline I love and trust.

  • @boyezene7894
    @boyezene7894 2 роки тому +41

    The best words on the channel everyone survived

    • @Glen.Danielsen
      @Glen.Danielsen 2 роки тому +1

      Yah, Jonathan, l look for those words too. 💛🙏🏽

    • @Capecodham
      @Capecodham 2 роки тому

      everyone survived is that the best you can do?

    • @Glen.Danielsen
      @Glen.Danielsen 2 роки тому +1

      @@Capecodham How did you get a comment like yours “highlighted”?

    • @Capecodham
      @Capecodham 2 роки тому

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      @syamkumarkaturi9761 2 роки тому

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  • @willklein9375
    @willklein9375 2 роки тому +5

    I happen to be working this night for Menzies aviation group.I was assigned to this EK flight non stop to Dubai..Once the aircraft was cleared for pushback I drove out on the tarmac so I could watch this gorgeous plane take off..Very worrying moment and boy if this aircraft did not find a way to get of the ground it would of ended up in backyards

    • @jf7243
      @jf7243 2 роки тому +1

      What a view!

    • @willklein9375
      @willklein9375 2 роки тому +2

      @@jf7243 interesting enough emirates almost did it again about 12 days ago departing Dubai..Boy that was a close call.

  • @rudenvincentt.caguitla761
    @rudenvincentt.caguitla761 2 роки тому +100

    The captain and the first officer were asked to resign from Emirates upon their arrival in Dubai, and both did so.

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому +18

      Well, I also expect, besides the first officer missing out on the load, the guys that load these planes do it half ass. My guess. These guys are likely foreigners, poorly trained on the responsibilities of their jobs. Like the guys, the UAE hires from India and the Philippines, they work like slaves, hardly get paid and are doing poor jobs....these high-rises were built that way. I would not live in one. All of these labor related jobs are done by foreigners as the Arabs feel it is beneath them, to do.

    • @cattinkerbell4946
      @cattinkerbell4946 2 роки тому +7

      Interesting. Source?

    • @lochtlmao
      @lochtlmao 2 роки тому +14

      @@linanicolia1363 the fuck? LMAO

    • @rudenvincentt.caguitla761
      @rudenvincentt.caguitla761 2 роки тому +17

      @@linanicolia1363, I disagree. Filipino pilots are best in performing their duties and responsibilities in line of aviation. No international news mentioned a single Filipino pilot to have poor airmanship during flight. They are hardworking because they love to serve their passengers with respect and generosity. Also for the Filipino cabin crew for their hospitality.

    • @kamalakannan28
      @kamalakannan28 2 роки тому +18

      @@linanicolia1363 mind your judgment and words about whole countries!!! Speak like literate and matured person if you are one. Else go on with these s**t all over.

  • @WayneM1961
    @WayneM1961 2 роки тому +4

    Many (too many!) years ago when I first started out in computers we were taught an expression GIGO. Garbage In, Garbage Out. put simply if you put rubbish or inaccurate information into a computer, you will get the same in terms of output. I can't believe cross checking didn't take place. MADNESS

  • @miketype1each
    @miketype1each 2 роки тому +17

    They skipped a step which was there for a reason. That's usually never a good idea.

  • @burliesanford1863
    @burliesanford1863 2 роки тому +1

    The quality of that video has got to probably be one of the best or maybe the best I've seen from the Flight Channel . The way it was made was outstanding . Thanks .

  • @steve3291
    @steve3291 2 роки тому +44

    Emirates rely too much on automation. The captain should have seen what was happening and hit the TO/GA earlier. They also should have also twigged they'd used too much runway prior to V1 and maybe looked to abort.

    • @Av8r_rome
      @Av8r_rome 2 роки тому +6

      Another eerily similar incident occurred 12/20/21 on Emirates flight 231, there’s many articles on it

    • @steve3291
      @steve3291 2 роки тому +2

      @@Av8r_rome Yes, I saw that. Again there is a suspicion that reliance on automation was the issue (and failure to correctly follow pre-flight checklists), but I think the full investigation needs to complete before jumping to the conclusion.

    • @donaldebeal
      @donaldebeal 2 роки тому +1

      They called V1 at the miscalculated speed. Once V1 is reached, the only decision left is to fly. Normally V1 is fly or crash. If you don’t take off at after V1, due to the amount of runway left and the acft speed. You won’t slow down before you run out of runway space. Because they thought they were at the proper V1 parameters, they thought they had no choice but to take off. Because they were going at a speed for 100 tons less than they actually weighed. They probably could’ve aborted this take off, due to the low speed for the actual weight…

    • @christopherhood7763
      @christopherhood7763 2 роки тому

      For sure

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому

      This has precisely nothing to do with automation.

  • @70mavgr
    @70mavgr 2 роки тому +29

    Pilots in modern heavily digitized aircraft should focus on being more than just number servers. That first officer should have noticed straight away that his take-off weight couldn't have been just 262 tonnes. He should have realized that this number was off. Same for the captain.

    • @martinc.720
      @martinc.720 2 роки тому

      You don't say!

    • @videodeposu8741
      @videodeposu8741 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah it's really surprising how he went with that

    • @jeffsteury4645
      @jeffsteury4645 2 роки тому +6

      And who were the morons that programmed the EFB? No functions added to recognize an entry that was clearly an outlier compared to what would have been expected? At least program in a function that would compare the new entry with past entries, thus triggering at least a warning that the parameter entered is an outlier compared to previous entries.
      Hey, Programming Morons, program for at least some consideration for the human element, like someone accidentally hitting a 2 when they meant to enter a 3!

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому +2

      That was the problem. Lucky they did not damage the landing gear during that borderline take-off. Would have made the landing a challenge with all that weight, even though they dumped some fuel. They could not dump the cargo !

    • @larrybe2900
      @larrybe2900 2 роки тому

      I bet this happening did just that, deliberate entries and not without second thought.

  • @johnsondavis5587
    @johnsondavis5587 2 роки тому +3

    Loved the word that everyone survived 😊

  • @rubib7150
    @rubib7150 2 роки тому +4

    My Gosh! The editing in this video!!!! Absolutely breathtaking.

  • @fsg7710
    @fsg7710 2 роки тому +3

    This has to be the best UA-cam video ever. Look at the editing! Awesome man!

  • @robertop.6977
    @robertop.6977 2 роки тому +2

    In 2003, Singapore Airlines had a similar event with a Boeing 747-400 while operating a flight from Auckland to Singapore. Takeoff performance was erroneously calculated for an aircraft weight 100 tons below the actual weight. Consequence: when the captain rotated the airplane for lift-off the tail struck the runway and scraped for +/- 500 meters.

  • @theplatformation3282
    @theplatformation3282 2 роки тому +1

    Melbourne area is a large body of water and the passenger plane take off direction is over it so if we ever had a large accident the water is usually calm no waves and the eastern side of it is shallow water rescue would be swift, Melbourne Australia is a nice city to visit, if you're interested in going there. Blessed.

  • @donfisher8035
    @donfisher8035 2 роки тому +4

    Four pilots in the cockpit. The reserve should have had a vested interest in pre flight. Fast forward last December, 2021, four pilots in the cockpit. Same takeoff deterioration, this time not checking the altitude setting (zero.) in takeoff configuration. Gotta love those Emirates crew reserve full attention. A mere digit. Damn.

    • @christopherhood7763
      @christopherhood7763 2 роки тому

      I can’t help but think that pilots also get disenchanted with their job- it becomes “just a job” like anything else after that many hours/years in the air.

    • @solamano7239
      @solamano7239 2 роки тому

      The two relief pilots were most probably seated in the cabin and not in the cockpit.

  • @musakh_
    @musakh_ 2 роки тому +2

    Imagine the fear going through passengers at the time of the tailstrike. They would be in a state of terror and confusion!

  • @brontube
    @brontube 2 роки тому +1

    Wow your graphics are so well detailed, this looked exactly like Melbourne and its surroundings.

  • @LakshmananLM
    @LakshmananLM 2 роки тому

    I love that you're concise and that I can read off the captioning. Less distracting than a narration. Unemotional, neutral and consequently not influencing the viewer. To the point. Thanks again and Cheers

  • @youtuuba
    @youtuuba 2 роки тому +2

    Many moons ago I was on a Lufthansa flight from Chicago O'Hare to Frankfurt, on an Airbus A430. It was the middle of Summer and a hot day, but the flight was late afternoon so it had cooled of a fair amount. The plane rotated but remained on the runway for an agonizingly long time, and when we flew over the I-290 just east of the end of our runway, we were quite low compared to all other flights I had been on that took off from that runway in that direction. The rest of the flight was uneventful, as far as I know.
    I related this at the time to a friend who was then a senior pilot at United, and another friend who was a captain for American. Both told me that if their airlines flew the A340 and wanted then to transition to it, that they would refuse to do so. Both told me that the A340 had a reputation in the pilot community as underpowered (under certain situations/conditions) and without much margin of power to handle things like engine failure, and so on.
    Personally, I have made the A340 a "no fly" for my travels. I just don't trust that bird.
    Add screw-up pilots to the mix, and well........

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому +1

      That would likely be the A340-200/-300 which uses same engines as a 737/A320 but with just slightly more power at about 34,000lb of thrust. The A340-500 uses Trent 500 engines with 53,000lb of thrust.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому

      Regardless of how underpowered it was, the aircraft met the performance standards required and simply wouldn’t be operating where it’s power was inadequate so I think your pilot friends must be quite poorly trained not to know this.
      Four engine aircraft always climb at a lower angle since they don’t require as much extra sore power for a potential failure.

  • @johannesbols57
    @johannesbols57 2 роки тому +5

    One significant detail that is omitted here is that the aircraft failed to pressurize.

    • @wildgurgs3614
      @wildgurgs3614 2 роки тому

      True, but if the aircraft remains below 10k feet, I don't think it matters that much

  • @nickmaclachlan5178
    @nickmaclachlan5178 2 роки тому +6

    So the EFB Laptop software could easily be coded for a message "parameter outside of expected range" for if an incorrect weight is input.
    There has to be a Minimum (and maximum) all-up weight that the aircraft cannot possibly be below or above? If he was ten tons out it would be bad, but a hundred tons light just isn't possible......

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому +1

      Seeing as the OEW is 168tons and MTOW is 380 tons, any figure in between those could be counted as valid by the EFB

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому

      Rules are met to be followed. They are not debatable........

    • @nickmaclachlan5178
      @nickmaclachlan5178 2 роки тому

      @@tomstravels520 Wow, didn't think they'd go that light? Presume that is zero Pax and Fuel for the lower figure? The FO was definitely having a bad day then..... he still should have had some sort of inkling that the settings were a little off as compared to previous experience. It's definitely the sort of calculation you wanna do twice, just to make sure eh?

  • @AlwaysHalloween000
    @AlwaysHalloween000 2 роки тому

    This conjured up a memory I hadn't thought about in over 40 years.. The time I scraped my dad's Ford Maverick entire right side against a tree.. My dad was a good guy he never got mad - R.I.P dad

  • @markandkim66
    @markandkim66 11 місяців тому

    I work at Melbourne Airport and saw the damage to this aircraft while it was parked on the freight apron after it landed. To say this was the closest major aircraft accident in Australia’s history is an understatement. It spent weeks undergoing repairs even before it could leave Melbourne for further repairs. Ironically, Emirates never flew another A340 into Melbourne ever again.

  • @islandvoyager7061
    @islandvoyager7061 2 роки тому +1

    Another excellent video. As a retired flight engineer it is almost as if I am back in the cockpit.

  • @gama1123
    @gama1123 2 роки тому +1

    Daaaaaamn! Really stepping up the drama with the music and the editing! Love it!

  • @awnutz
    @awnutz 2 роки тому +5

    No matter how sophisticated the technology, there is always the possibility of human error. Perhaps there is the assumption by the flight crew that they don’t need to question or consider the data that they enter because they rely on the computers to do that for them.

  • @mingology7767
    @mingology7767 2 роки тому +1

    This episode is very well coordinated with the background music! Well done!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @TR-vr5pz
    @TR-vr5pz 2 роки тому

    The footage at 4:29 looks like a live shot from the compound - spectacular job this channel does!!!

  • @oof-madone
    @oof-madone 2 роки тому +3

    Scary for everyone on board, but for those especially at the tail end of the plane?! 🙈🙈🙈

  • @tomswift6198
    @tomswift6198 2 роки тому +2

    These "recommendations" after investigation are often a hoot. The idea that anything useful can come from adding yet another procedure to cover a situation which already HAS a procedure (which was neglected) is really weird.

  • @Love_Jesus_NOW
    @Love_Jesus_NOW 2 роки тому +1

    Terrifying that a one-digit mistake in data entry could have killed everyone.
    This incident highlights the importance of every single crew action.

  • @dullonion797
    @dullonion797 2 роки тому +3

    “Reduced thrust takeoffs”, not an airline driver, never been one but 20 years flying USN fighters and I would have never even considered a ‘reduced thrust takeoff’. I get the noise abatement gig but…good on the captain going to ‘full thrust’ in time. Bet they both got hammered for this tho. F/O his mistake and captain cuz he signed for the aircraft. Lonely at the top.

    • @alizierny
      @alizierny 2 роки тому +1

      Other comments suggest that both were asked to resign and both did

    • @Bren39
      @Bren39 2 роки тому +2

      Reduced thrust is good for the engines and also noise abatement. Don't need to go max thrust when not needed. Max thrust when windy, windshear etc. And of course reduced saves a lot of fuel.

    • @Bren39
      @Bren39 2 роки тому

      @@alizierny I'm sure "asked" as in we ask you to resign or we'll fire you.

    • @alizierny
      @alizierny 2 роки тому

      @@Bren39 I think so too

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 2 роки тому

      Reduced thrust takeoffs improve safety by reducing risk of engine failure. So it’s a bit daft not to use them. Maybe stick to your fighters bud.

  • @zirioz
    @zirioz 2 роки тому +1

    At first I thought you were discussing the recent 773 close call takeoff at Dubai Airport so I clicked super fast!

  • @drsundha1
    @drsundha1 2 роки тому

    I am learning Microsoft Excel now. While an ordinary software has so many features that alert the user to a wrong entry based on other related entries, it is incredible that such a sophisticated piece of machinery has no alerts for wrong calculations based on other inputs and routine flight entries!

  • @cynvision
    @cynvision 2 роки тому +6

    They didn't need more software for figuring out performance for crying out loud. They needed training. The preflight checks on the numbers and discussion and agreement between them about what to do on a failed takeoff. If the captain had called it off at first speed without aircraft response I'd believe they were well trained.

  • @colin8007
    @colin8007 2 роки тому +3

    i'm curious to know the reason this aircraft was retired from service only a few years after it was fixed and resumed commercial flight activity

    • @julosx
      @julosx 2 роки тому

      Yeah it sounds odd to me too.

  • @mikerice4547
    @mikerice4547 2 роки тому

    Wow, thank the Great Maker, the pilot& crew& ground team@Melbourne airport for that SAVE !!

  • @mrknownothing2470
    @mrknownothing2470 2 роки тому +1

    I think the software for takeoff is also faulty too. It should have able to detect that after a long run on the runway with the nose above the ground while the plane is not climbing as it should have been. It should have either increased the thrust of all engines or abort the takeoff or warn pilot.

  • @larumpole
    @larumpole 2 роки тому +2

    A simple data entry error by the FO could have ended in disaster but thankfully the quick reaction of the Captain who used the TOGA to override the A340 (hell, all Airbus) automation to get the additional thrust necessary to take off, and disaster was averted. Hopefully, protocols now in place will prevent a reoccurrence, but it is worrisome that the reliance on automation allows a situation like this to happen. Surely, at some point before the Captain took command and selected TOGA, it must have been apparent that this airplane was not properly configured for take off? This was a lucky escape.

  • @Kat-rn6dz
    @Kat-rn6dz 2 роки тому +1

    New subscriber here, wonderful channel!! So well done and informative. Hello everyone ! After having been on many flights in my life since childhood, something changed in me at about age 16 and I was terrified of flying ever since. I had to be mildly sedated to even get on a plane, add a few Bloody Marys to that mix, even that only took a tiny bit of the edge off. This excellent channel fasinates me as it just confirms my greatest fear in life ( we all have one).😳 Years ago when Allegheny Airlines existed, they were offering fear of flying classes, your graduation was taking a flight, I really, really wanted to go through with this course. Needless to say, I couldn't muster up the nerve to go through with it. 😔 I can happily watch this channel now though because I know I will never be on another airplane ✈️ 😊

  • @helpstopanimalabuse8153
    @helpstopanimalabuse8153 2 роки тому +2

    Just a shout out to let you guys know that we love your videos & appreciate the time & effort you take to provide these videos. It must take many hours....Thanks very much. You don't get 1.3 million subscribers by providing ordinary videos.

  • @liivdunham
    @liivdunham 2 роки тому

    This is why I’m scared of airplanes and long-haul flights, because of human error… any kind of mistake can end it all and it gives me anxiety every time I fasten my seatbelt in a plane. It doesn’t matter how many times people tell me airplanes are safe and stuff, I just can’t stop about the human factor

  • @singhalmg
    @singhalmg 2 роки тому +1

    This incident and investigation of several other near miss incidents clearly reveal that in more than 90% cases, it is the human error whcih results in such horrifying situation

  • @danchristopher3061
    @danchristopher3061 2 роки тому +1

    Amazing and scary that a data entry error could cause this. I'm surprised the aircraft's software can't detect this error. It knows how much thrust is being applied and the plane's acceleration, so dividing the two would estimate the actual mass. In other words, the software could tell the plane wasn't accelerating as expected and alert the pilots to abort the takeoff.

  • @CMDRFandragon
    @CMDRFandragon 2 роки тому +2

    Alternate title for this vid: One Number Nightmare, since it seems the F/O putting 2 instead of 3 caused it all.

  • @SpongeSheet
    @SpongeSheet 2 роки тому +1

    Damn, this title sounds like an Air Crash Investigations episode

  • @HazellRahh
    @HazellRahh 2 роки тому +5

    Before we keep pointing the fingers at the pilots, consider how many times YOU have entered the wrong digit into a GPS, calculator, etc. and didn't catch the problem. As a former Airline Pilot, this scenarios isn't the first time it's happened, not even close. Before you start judging the pilots too harshly, understand what V1 is, how it changes with different parameters and the fact you have a runway that is over two (2) miles long (when you realize what's happening, it's too late).

    • @shoutitallloud
      @shoutitallloud 2 роки тому +1

      I believe the one to blame is a person that developed and invented that "data input-computer calculate" procedure. It's like trying to make chain stronger by adding one more link, instead of taking out the weakest one

    • @HazellRahh
      @HazellRahh 2 роки тому

      @@shoutitallloud Consider this: Whether it's a pen/paper calculation or an entry on the MKP, there's the possibility for error. A simple (seemingly) fix to the calculator would be to give a message or change color from white to yellow if out of range.

    • @shoutitallloud
      @shoutitallloud 2 роки тому

      @@HazellRahh As to me it looks completely out of any reasonable sense to have this exact calculation. Why? Have optimum engine thrust, save couple gallons of fuel? Is that critical? No. But in sake of this they add a calculating stage that by it's own becomes critical.
      I wonder does all that fuel saving beat the aircraft + airport repair cost?

    • @HazellRahh
      @HazellRahh 2 роки тому

      @@shoutitallloud This Takeoff (TO) Performance (PERF) page is not about fuel savings in any way. It is all about determining how much weight the wings have to lift into the sky and do so safely, especially if there's an engine failure on takeoff. In addition to that, an oft overlooked parameter is the "balance" part of the WEIGHT and BALANCE calculation (WT/BAL). I would suggest, respectfully, you look into TO PERF and WT/BAL calculations and why they are so important.

    • @shoutitallloud
      @shoutitallloud 2 роки тому

      @@HazellRahh Thanks for advice. And I've just googled "Weight & Balance handbook (faa-h-8083-1)". Can't find any calculation, that gives gives engine thrust limit at takeoff. I agree that wrong weight could result in some other error, like trim setting or else.. But in this case the computer limited the engine power. Why??

  • @subhro3044
    @subhro3044 2 роки тому

    I am skeptical of airplanes being the *safest mode of travel* now after seeing this guy's channel
    So many air disasters

  • @JB_WhoWork
    @JB_WhoWork 2 роки тому

    I’m glad the captain was able to act fast and save the aircraft from being unable to make flight. Crazy to hear he thought he was gonna die…

    • @linanicolia1363
      @linanicolia1363 2 роки тому

      I doubt he thought he was going to die. He knew he could put it back down. It was fixable.

  • @josesantizo4432
    @josesantizo4432 2 роки тому

    Thank god everybody survived 🙏🏼

  • @douglaslally156
    @douglaslally156 2 роки тому +1

    Great video, I always enjoy them. Had the Captain not taken over and applied more thrust, well I don't see a happy landing.

  • @pravasthikroyal6425
    @pravasthikroyal6425 2 роки тому

    Thank God, everyone survived

  • @kaci-05
    @kaci-05 2 роки тому

    I love your channel , I work at dubai airport and I learn many valuable information watching your channel and I understand match more better some others thank you very much

  • @debshoniker8018
    @debshoniker8018 2 роки тому

    Yes the angels were with the passengers and crew definitely on this one... Yes everyone survived!

  • @para1324
    @para1324 2 роки тому +1

    Very good research and presentation. The video is outstandingly done.

  • @deinboss7563
    @deinboss7563 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for your videos 👍👍

  • @effkay3691
    @effkay3691 2 роки тому

    No narrator…..heaven!

  • @danmclaughlin1180
    @danmclaughlin1180 2 роки тому

    We're only human & we all make mistakes. Fortunately there was no lost of life. It's great to see improvement have been made to reduce the likelihood of incidents like this happening again. Great Video.

  • @seantaggart7382
    @seantaggart7382 2 роки тому

    I can imagine the atc being like:
    Dude Your tail is sparking are YOU SURE YOU ARE AT THE RIGHT SPEED?!

  • @aminechouad7796
    @aminechouad7796 2 роки тому +6

    The same thing happened with an EMIRATES 777 in Dubai just before Christmas.

    • @Ananth8193
      @Ananth8193 2 роки тому +1

      Actually i was about to mention the same incident

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому +1

      For supposedly a different reason

    • @aminechouad7796
      @aminechouad7796 2 роки тому

      @@tomstravels520 yeah sure , first reports indicate that the pilots forget to configure the altitude to 4000 feet , but instead , it was set into 0 , probably from the previous flight.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 2 роки тому

      @@aminechouad7796 more likely it was set to 4000ft after the FD’s had been reset

    • @aminechouad7796
      @aminechouad7796 2 роки тому

      @@tomstravels520 probably , but nothing is official right now.

  • @ThatSeanG
    @ThatSeanG 2 роки тому

    I love how this is Australia’s worst accident

  • @lukeluca3675
    @lukeluca3675 2 роки тому

    Amazing state of the art, informative videos. Thoroughly enjoy watching all their episodes….

  • @patrickhinds
    @patrickhinds 2 роки тому

    Great video as always! Perhaps could tone down the music at the end slightly tho imo

  • @rgarlinyc
    @rgarlinyc 2 роки тому +13

    Always disturbing, to note the errors were human...first, incorrect data entry, next, casual attitude by Captain to checking data, Thank again for an excellent recounting, TFC*.👏🏻👍🏻
    ---
    *For @burt2481only:
    TFC = Tambourines Found ClampedToTheUndersideOfFuselageToThe SurpriseOfEveryone
    Typing time saved: 26,587.43 nanoseconds.

  • @bobbyricigliano2799
    @bobbyricigliano2799 2 роки тому

    I'm curious how much the full power / TOGA setting was delayed or inhibited by the drag of the rolling tail strike. Glad everyone survived!

  • @michaelglynn2638
    @michaelglynn2638 2 роки тому

    One single digit! Oh my.
    That's as close as it gets!

  • @akshaypendyala
    @akshaypendyala 2 роки тому

    Wow, this video so informative, I am instantly hooked!
    🤍 from Hyderabad, India.

  • @nenblom
    @nenblom 2 роки тому

    Thank God everyone survived.

  • @spranavshanker
    @spranavshanker 2 роки тому

    I am surprised that pilots were not convinced with the unusual weight of the flight and unexpected response from stick there after.

  • @kf2653
    @kf2653 2 роки тому

    I was inside that plane flying to dubai and then cyprus...i thought i was goin to die that time back on 2009 .im happy im alive .i didn't fly for 2 year's after that but now its okey i can fly with planes...i prey till now .amen!

  • @rodshephard3837
    @rodshephard3837 2 роки тому +2

    I remember it so clearly-so close to the worst accident in Australian aviation history...also, was there any consequences come out of the dumping of fuel over a populated area?

    • @YortOK
      @YortOK 2 роки тому +2

      It was dumped out over port Philip bay

    • @ray.shoesmith
      @ray.shoesmith 2 роки тому +1

      They dumped fuel over Port Phillip Bay at 5,000'. Apparently at this altitude it evaporates before hitting the ground/water anyway.

  • @jon14tv
    @jon14tv 2 роки тому

    Wah,, human error really cannot be avoided,, luckily they were able to take off and land safely..

  • @davidrobins1021
    @davidrobins1021 2 роки тому

    The key question seems to be: why weren't the verbal checks carried out prior to take-off? Data entry mistakes happen, but not following standard operating procedures designed to protect against such mistakes is inexcusable.
    SOPs are there for a reason.

  • @dungbach5932
    @dungbach5932 2 роки тому +2

    Last time I was this early, smoking on planes was still a thing

  • @TheRailgram
    @TheRailgram 2 роки тому

    Lovely shots

  • @Planefan1000
    @Planefan1000 2 роки тому

    Emirates Flight 407 (EK407 / UAE407)
    ---
    DEP: Auckland, New Zealand (AKL / NZAA)
    STP: Melbourne, Australia (MEL / YMML)
    ARR: Dubai, UAE (DXB / OMDB)
    ---
    2004 Airbus A340-500 *A6-ERG*
    ---
    20 March 2009

  • @sy2yd
    @sy2yd 2 роки тому

    Darn scary. I am on these big jets annually enroute to Greece, etc. Always leery when push back early. Hope there was a procedural cross-check change.

  • @tylerresler6995
    @tylerresler6995 2 роки тому

    Awesome video. Im pretty sure they overran the runway again like a weeks ago

  • @GurpreetSinghmadsfan
    @GurpreetSinghmadsfan 2 роки тому

    Amazing story telling!

  • @narindersoi
    @narindersoi 2 роки тому +1

    Very nice presentation.

  • @rachelcharles53
    @rachelcharles53 2 роки тому

    Wow mind blowing content Tks much fr the upload nd info

  • @scanspeak00
    @scanspeak00 2 роки тому +2

    This is a system problem. A system that is so susceptible to human error is seriously flawed.

  • @cristinab1661
    @cristinab1661 2 роки тому

    I have a strong respect for all pilots … is not an easy job and comes with so many lives in hands . This was a lesson it only for the two who were too experienced and took it light but for junior pilots too … every little mistake can be fatal. God was with them ( aircraft filled with fuel too ).

  • @mnrobards
    @mnrobards 2 роки тому +1

    Another great video.

  • @AnthonyVassallo
    @AnthonyVassallo 2 роки тому

    100 tons here, 100 tons there, sounds like my skills in balancing my checkbook.

  • @BritishToggled
    @BritishToggled 2 роки тому

    me: sees that the airport is in the state of where i live
    also me: looks for the gate i was at when i went on holiday