Obi-Wan Kenobi Lied To Us
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2022
- I wanted Obi-Wan Kenobi to be the best experience for every Star Wars fan, but at the end of Season 1 I felt rather disappointed, and in this video I talk about why. I want to know your thoughts on it, so let me know down below. Thanks for watching!
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This is the best take I’ve heard by far. You’re not over hyping things, you’re not being a Star Wars hater, but instead have a very clean and condensed video offering your points and critiques in a very polite manner. This was awesome.
That’s what it’s all about, if you love something and want it to succeed you approach it with love, through the good and bad. Appreciate the support friend
Pre Andor I thought this show was alright, but a serious missed opportunity full of huge missteps and moments of greatness, often stolen, doing the best it could. Post Andor it has become clear that they were capable of so much better and my frustration level with Kenobi has skyrocketed. Somewhere out there in the multiverse is a Kenobi series made with the same care and attention to detail as Andor and it is a masterpiece thta we will never get to see.
I blame Kathleen Kennedy and Disney.
Sean I feel your frustration and disappointment so acutely. I'm so angry at Disney and whoever pulled the strings that allowed this complete disservice to be done to my favorite character in Star Wars. What you said is so true: Obi-Wan is a character, perhaps THE character, that transcends generations of Star Wars fans, transcends OT and prequel fractures (I am a lover of both), and who, played by two incredible actors, has played (as you said) an impossibly important role in the Star Wars universe many of us know and love. Disney failed to bring that wonderful character and a meaningful story to the screen 95% of the time during this show.
There are no stakes in this show. We know Obi-Wan survives. We know Leia survives. We know Vader survives. We know Luke survives. We know Owen and Beru survive. All the MORE reason to make this a show about Obi-Wan's relationship with himself and his quest to reconnect with Qui-Gon as he unearths the trauma of Anakin's betrayal, Order 66, and the broader Clone Wars, the effects of which (shame, guilt, fear, etc.) perhaps might make contacting Qui Gon more difficult. Instead, we got senseless chase scenes and dumb bits that left the show feeling more like a Marvel short than anything close to Star Wars. In that context, I am so f****** tired of all the stupid cameos from everyone who wants to be in a Star Wars show (see Flea, Ben Safdie, and Kumail Nanjiani, three cool dudes who just don't fit and whose appearances ripped me out of whatever small bit of immersion there was). Even when George Lucas's Star Wars had cringey dialogue, it always took itself seriously. It was always grounded in a galaxy far far away. This feels too much like our own.
The show could have planted itself in the shadow of the Empire which, about 10 years after Order 66, should have been larger and darker than ever, looming over the galaxy the way it does in Rogue One, which I also love. It should feel dark and hopeless as you said, because that's the time we find ourselves in: the darkest and most hope-devoid point in Star Wars. Instead, it was often goofier than it had any right to be and lighter than so much of the OT and the prequels era, which makes no sense. Leia, who I wish hadn't been included in the show to begin, is impossible to believe as a 10 year old captured by Bounty Hunters AND then the Empire. She is almost never scared and is often wiser, more hopeful, more courageous, a better problem solver, and a more unifying force than Obi-Wan, which feels like a carbon copy of Rey and Luke's relationship in TLJ, but in many ways worse. She and Reva drive the story at every turn; it often feels like Obi-Wan is a side character in his own show. The inquisitors did not feel scary the way they do in Rebels and Fallen Order; the way they showed up on Tatooine in the beginning of the show felt way too western (which has its place in Star Wars but not with them) and so untrue to their nature of hunting in the shadows and only being seen when they want to be.
In touching on Reva, how a character who has ostensibly spent years slaughtering men, women, children, and Jedi is redeemed and allowed to roam free for choosing NOT to kill another child is beyond ridiculous and total Disney logic. I think Reva could have been such a cool character, and from watching The Queen's Gambit, Moses Ingram is clearly a talented actor. It's such a shame that Joby Harold and whatever other writers were involved couldn't keep up. In this vein, I'm not sure why Dave Filoni wasn't involved in this project. Even if it meant pushing back Ahsoka and whatever other content he's working on, it would have been for the best. He has spent by far the most time with Obi-Wan (besides Lucas) via his work in the Clone Wars and with Obi-Wan's brief appearance in Rebels, all of which is handled masterfully. It would have made sense for such an important and delicate character to be handled by the man who has demonstrated a track record in meaningfully shaping the character over time. It makes me sad that this didn't happen.
The pacing is so rough like you said. Fitting a story like this into 6 45-50 minute episodes is such a tragedy. When Disney's new flagship show, and its most important Star Wars IP, is shorter than the runtime of the final THREE episodes of Netflix's S4 of Stranger Things, it becomes clear that Disney's priorities are completely misaligned (S4 of ST, by the way, is 8 episodes, with the first five averaging about 75-minute runtimes, which is also longer than all of Obi-Wan). It feels more and more like Disney's Star Wars entries are glorified advertisements for their theme parks (no surprise why they spend so much time on Tatooine then).
As you said, the show has its moments. Quiet pauses for reflection by Obi-Wan, both alone and with Leia, shine through, and some of the Vader/Obi-Wan final battle is pretty cool. The prequels are used well when they're included, whether in flashbacks to the movies themselves or in the inclusion of new scenes. But to me, the show's very best moment comes at the end of the battle between Vader and Kenobi, and it was almost entirely ripped from Rebels!! Half the dialogue in that entire battle sequence can be found in either RotS or Rebels. That the show's best moment is stolen from Filoni's work is at once ironic and unsurprising.
As a whole, the show is so disappointing and has honestly left me heartbroken. I want to get to a place where I can move past the hurt, anger, and grief and be grateful for pockets of good hidden in this show as you said at the end of the video. But that feels really hard right now. There's no do-over. This is what we got, and it breaks my heart.
So I can get it all out, I'll also include here the many other little details that completely broke immersion and continuity. The cameos, which I touched on. The dumb, dumb, dumb bounty hunters who struggle to catch a 10 year old and who feel more like the villains in a show for five year olds than a crew of Bounty Hunters. Reva and the inquisitors somehow stumbling across Owen Lars in the first episode with Obi-Wan just a few steps away, what a coincidence! Ben Safdie's random Jedi character Nari knowing exactly where Obi-Wan was when no one else could find him. The inquisitors' anger at Reva for going "too far" despite them being under Vader's thumb (Vader we know is incredibly violent and merciless in getting what he wants (capturing Leia and preparing to execute her in a New Hope, breaking the neck of that kid in the street in Obi-Wan, burning Tarkintown in Rebels) and them being violent in Rebels (killing everyone on a civilian transport when capturing a force-sensitive child). Obi-Wan not knowing Vader (Anakin) is alive, which, despite him living more or less in solitude, is something he probably would know by now. The empire being unable to track and catch up to the random transport shuttle that Obi-Wan and Leia hid on. Obi-Wan waiting for a probe droid to identify him before destroying it. Obi-Wan and Leia needing to disable a gate that they obviously could have walked around. Tala leaving a 10 year old alone to go help Obi-Wan fight a Sith Lord. Reva somehow making her way to the end of a secret tunnel that Leia and Tala had been running down for quite some time. A massive battalion of Stormtroopers shooting into a tight space crammed full of people and hitting two of them, which is worse than they've ever been. The lack of logic of Vader wiping out a fire with the force, only to suddenly lose that ability when Obi-Wan tries to escape. A little girl showing little to no fear of being tortured. A poorly disguised Obi-Wan clearly hiding a little girl under his trench coat, with that girl even poking her head out at one point with no one noticing. Vader annihilating a transport shuttle but deciding not to pull down the one hiding behind it when it departs. Reva surviving the same wound that killed Qui Gon and then making it some way across the galaxy to Tatooine afterwards. A transport shuttle being chased by a Star Destroyer while everyone walks around having quiet conversations for minutes on end. The length of time it took Reva to get to Tatooine vs Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan admitting "then my friend is truly dead" and not killing Vader, who I'm sure he knows will continue inflicting pain across the galaxy Owen and Beru staying to fight an inquisitor despite having no known military training and knowing what they're up against. The lack of sadness Leia displays in A New Hope while comforting Luke when Obi-Wan is killed that now makes zero sense. Qui-Gon showing up in the final 30 seconds, a moment that feels entirely unearned and where Obi-Wan seems to have lack any intense emotion at seeing his master, who was cut down in front of him and who he probably feels like he failed because of Anakin's downfall, for the first time in 20-25 years. These "details" would have been frustrating on their own, and yet I would have taken many more of them if the basic plotline and pacing had had any solid grounding. Ugh. Thanks for giving me a space to share thoughts and feelings. Here's to hoping Ahsoka delivers.
Thank you for your comment, I read every word and man... it hurt to agree with. I purposefully didnt talk a lot about the plot holes in this show or the "plot conveniences" that kept popping up because it would have made the video 40 minutes long and it just wasnt worth it given how many there were. Reading all your observations about the details that broke the immersion, I was mindblown how many small moments I completely forgot about, like Obi-Wan waiting on the probe droid to identify him first (a scene I thought was super cool until about 30 seconds ago lmfao), and so many other things. This show was just...... not good. So much that happened without explanation for the sake of it happening, breaking its own internal logic. What could have been...... thanks for watching the video!
@@SpacemanSR Thanks for posting it! Your videos are always thoughtful, especially with Star Wars. Totally makes sense why it's not worth going through all the plot holes. One other thing I'll add that I picked up from someone else: If Obi Wan as powerful as they made him in this show and can defeat Vader, why is Luke the New Hope? The whole plot of the original trilogy is that Luke is the "New Hope." Only he (and maybe Leia) can defeat Vader and the Emperor. Well, Obi Wan just defeated Vader, and easily could have killed him. With "The Path", he now knows that there are other Jedi out there and how to find them. Why would he not kill Vader and he and Yoda find and train the other Jedi and go after the Emperor? Now the whole plot of the Original trilogy makes no sense. Just thought I'd throw this in, because it's pretty huge.
@@charlsse Another classic example of how sometimes more isnt always better. Doing too much in this timeframe, given the fates of everyone involved, makes storytelling tricky, so its best if it focuses on something more grounded, otherwise things become confusing and lightly-retconned. The more you think about the show, the more foggy everything about the timeline becomes. Oof!
Fully agree. The Disney bosses f... it up to make it a children series. They should put the crew from Andor in charge of the Star Wars universe and with Filoni only as advisor.
Lets hope Omega is given over til this enterprise as well.
And Obi-Wan and Satines love story deserve its own picture in Rogue One style.
I agree with every single point, your take is comprehensive and goes to the root of what I couldn't put into words about Kenobi. Every time I think about the show and as far as my own rating to the show always felt like it was good, but with sigh of disappointment at the same time. It's hard to talk about the show without hearing someone else go "You are too picky" or "Don't be a hater". In recent times it feels as if all of the shows or movies success is thanks to the element of nostalgia or easter eggs. How much can a writer cramp on a show on those elements determines the level of love the audiences will have. To what I'm referring is for example how people only highlight the, "Hello there" or Quin Gon's cameo at the end, and forget any other problem or significant storytelling element be it positive or negative.
I'm excited for your Multiverse video. I've enjoyed your commentary and love the perspective you bring into the discussion. Great video! Cheers.
Thank you for watching and I hope you enjoyed the discussion! Much appreciated
I know nothing about half the stuff you talk about, but I keep watching these because they're so well scripted/put together. Keep up the good work
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Beautiful
Obi-Wan told a story that didn't need to be told. In the first movie of the original trilogy, Obi-Wan seems to be at peace with himself and his decisions. And the Jedi are a fading memory. There is no special reason for the fan service of a confrontation with Vader. And no special reason for the interaction with Baby Leia.
Waited for this one
Couldn't agree more on everything you said! I was so excited to see a gritty and dark show set in the Star Wars world. Now after some reflection, I'm so, so disappointed... Like you say, it seems to be afraid to address the headspace and emotions of this Obi-Wan head-on, but they don't... Having seen how good Andor was, this makes it even more sad. It could have been so good! There was an amazing opportunity for a truly heartbreaking story, in a good way. I really like your comparisons with Logan and Joker, it's exactly what it should have been. In retrospect, I couldn't agree more that it didn't feel earned, unfortunately...
2k subs in a week....well done. No surprise. Soon 10k a week!
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I guess having lost any expectations regarding this franchise all the way back with Return of the Jedi (Yes, I'm an old man yelling at a cloud), I didn't have any big issues with Obi-wan Kenobi, Yes, it was no Andor, but it was nice to see Ian McGregor in the role again.
Kenobi is another reminder that if it isn’t Favreau or Filoni directing, we shouldn’t want it.
Correction: if it isn't directed by someone who loves and/or respects the source material, then we shouldn't want it.
Every time I see clips from "Obi-Wan Kenobi" ALL I can think about is the Auralnauts version called "LARRY". LMAO. (One does need to watch the Auralnauts' entire take on the Star Wars films first though LOL)
Love this
lol. Is there meant to be a flat top to the light saber at 15:10
I didn't lie to you, Disney did. So that title is incorrect, from a certain point of view.
There was so much that was perplexing.
again we got another show made for Disney fans and not fans of the original series.
For the most part I did enjoy the show. The biggest issue for me is that Riva's character is just so non-sensical. She's going to try avenge the Jedi... by murder killing MORE Jedi. Um what? Such a pity, because I like the concept of the Inquisitors within this period of the early Empire. Overall though, this show really could've been much better.
I think flashbacks to Padme would be good too, or even Satine, just to have some female characters too so it's not a sausagefest lol but no reva, she really didn't make sense
Bro you are being to positive about this show, obi wan was one of the worst show i ever seen, the Reva getting hit by a lightsaber in the chest and survive and Qui gon who happened to him the same died, thank god for Andor
Why was this series so bad and Andor so good? So strange