MIG-29 deliveries are underway, but is the Soviet-era jet up to the task in Ukraine? | DW News
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- Ukraine has been demanding fighter jets for months and is finally starting to get some. Poland needed Germany's approval to hand over its MIG-29 planes, but Berlin gave its blessing and deliveries are reportedly underway.
Slovakia is also donating some of its fighter jets.
Is the Soviet-era fighter jet enough to change the course of the war?
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In Poland, they were supposed to serve until 2030, so they are not in such a bad condition.
The Polish Migs at least, were "upgraded to NATO standards" as well. They're capable of firing western HARM, AIM 9 & AIM 120 missiles.
TRULY!
Poland are walking blind into the 4th time being annex and subdivided.
@@lajoyalobos2009here did you get this from? I haven’t found any reliable source saying that Polish MiGs are compatible with AIM-120. There are some news articles claiming that, but they don’t cite their sources so I couldn’t check.
@@arturchakhvadze6446
I wouldn't expect an answer...
This is a beautiful airplane. I've always loved the look of the Mig-29
What a waste of a nice plane giving it to Zelenakkyyyyyy.
@@imperialmotoring3789 Imperial Russia!!??
"loved the look". Yes, so it's nice to know it's fighting on *our* side.
@@imperialmotoring3789 seriously?
The Mig-29 is without a doubt an elegant aircraft, but also kind of bulky at certain angles. I think that, for example, the F-14 Tomcat is better proportioned and was clearly an inspiration for the Mig-29 (where the F-4 Phantom was becoming old-fashioned). The challenge for the Mig-29 was that when we got to 1981 when the aircraft entered service, the US was only two years away from the F/A-18 Hornet entering service. Admittedly the F/A-18 is not an elegant looking aircraft, but technologically the F/A-18 was at least a couple of generations ahead of the Mig-29 and variants of the aircraft.
As an Estonian I am pretty surprised to hear that we will give fighter jets. Pretty surprising, conisdering we dont have them at all. Not even one 😂
Exactly that. A great expert, ofc
4:57
Good catch!
Thanks.
But then, the government could argue that they gave all their fighter jets to Ukraine.
@@arnoldhau1 good point!
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Germany orderd in 2020 38pc Typhoons Tranche-4 to replace it's oldest 33 Tranche-1 Typhoons, 3 Two-seater of the old ones are bought by Austria, so ~30 used Tranche-1 EFs are still available. (Just saying)
You need to train a lot of people to fly a single foreign plane.
@@buca9696 EVERY fighter jet like the F-16 needs around ~50Pilots and ~200Ground-crew for the operation of ~20Jets, still military planers think it is worthwhile.
Besides: Ukraine had and has a significant aviation industry, thats the homeland of Antonov,.. not Afghanistan.
Of course, it barely takes a minute and suddenly Germany is the evil russian ally again....
The US has hundreds of planes parked in the bloody desert but of course lets contiune disarming Germany like there is no tomorrow....
And when do you think the new Typhoons will arrive in Germany if they were ordered just 3 years ago? ("just saying")
First the "tank coalition" that germany was suppsoedly blocking turning out to be a joke (Ukraine gets a few dozent Leopard 2s and a laughing ammount of Abrams...while there are 5.000 tanks in US depots...) and now Germany is the evil one blocking planes or not wanting to deliver.....redicilous
Lol you kidding right 😅
Typical press: you show less important statistics and omit Rate of Climb and Rate of Turn. Further it deserves to be mentioned that the F-16's basic airframe is actually older than the Mig-29.
Depends on when they were built. The production line is still running for foreign customers.
Rate of climb and rate of turn are completely irrelevant. Things that matter are radar, missiles, datalink and ECM
@@arturchakhvadze6446 Kinematic defeat and maneuver based TTPs do make those things matter, but of course as basic specs, I would agree the info you listed would be more applicable to the general audience
how does it matter the new F16 block 70 today has one of the best climb rates best turn rates fastest speed and huge range of weapons. It also has one of the best radars equal or better then the super hornet AESA radar that is already far ahead of anything Russia has as radars is there biggest weakness. What weakness does the F16 have even today not much just a few outdated controls it cant automate like the new digital from new aircraft and an avaerage RCS signature. It should be equal to the Su-35S in most things and that is Russians second best aircraft and only 1 they have in any numbers
Don't F-16s fly as part of an integrated system and need AWACS to perform properly? Sounds like a limited-use air-frame considering Russia's anti-air tech.
F-16 is also produced in the period of the Cold War but it's Avionics can be upgraded.
F-16 during the Cold War and F-16 now - it's different jets. The differences between F-16 Block 10 and F-16 Block 70/72 are huge!
@@TedFanat Many countries still use old types of F-16 produced in the period of the Cold War. 2022 produced F-16 is another story.
when an aircraft was produced is no longer important anymore.... the F16 block 70 is one of the best aircraft on earth now and is already 4.75 gen first used in 1972 and still being built. Israel copied it with there Lavi program that was cancelled and that was stolen or sold off to China that copied it on there main medium range jet that they have in large numbers 450 plus. The SU is still being copied and made and its an 80s aircraft desgined then. The F15 latest model silent eagle or strike eagle FX that Indonesia is buying will be still one of the best
хороший самолет
they will be shot down immediately when climbing, you don’t know what Russian Air Defense is, and don’t know
Slovakia and Poland...bloody legends 🫶
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@@jn1205 The USSR did not attack any Poland. The USSR took its occupied territories by Poland (Western Ukraine and Western Belarus) along the Curzon line. The USSR returned Vilna and the Vilna region to Lithuania. In 1945, at the Yalta conference, an Allied agreement was reached that provided for compensation for this loss by including the former German territories (the so-called returned territories) into Poland.
The jet's good. Finding good munitions for it is the problem.
I Flew Mig-29s on Ace Combat. Good Planes. I'm Glad These are Allied Mig-29s.
suddenly Russian planes are great
and
Ukrainians are our friends,....all these year of sullying them and now they are heros.
ace combat is the most unrealistic air to air fighting game, the physics are terrible, try war thunder or dcs
„In bad conditions”
Well. They’re not. The were undergoing service and maintenance prior delivery to Ukraine.
So they are not in a bad condition - unlike German army.
Funny you mention Germany, considering most polish MIG29 were a gift from Germany to begin with
@@noobster4779 which basically means Soviet satellite as per pre 1991
I can make this simple, Ukraine isn't getting better planes because their credit card is severely overdrawn. At this point we need to be discussing what major sections of land will be deeded over the USA and the UK as security against their debts.
We only **need** to talk about that if 'we' want to sound like a complete vegetable. You're on your own there, champ.
Nobody else seems to be talking about this, so I'll ask the question: What about the A-10 Warthog?
Cheap and doesnt really cost the US anything if they lost half of them tomorrow.... BUT it was perfect for missions in Iraq and against ISIS when you dont have air control and your enemy has huge numbers of anti air its terrible and would achieve nothing. Good thing is yes it would probably fly back to base heavily damaged it is the most protected aircraft in the world huge redundancy, many engines and heaps of armour also optimized for lift and slow speed handing so very stable but how will you use it? it fires maverick 50km range anti tank missles and 30mm 3km range Cannon with just sidewinder for defence its also slow at 350 MPH or 520 km hour cruise speed. Any jet can shoot it down and any medium range anti air like THOR will shoot it down eventually even if it survives teh first few hits. you cant get in close enough with those aircraft in 2023 and there too slow and useless for taking out drones. A drone is basically the same plane as an A-10 today in mission and size and speed just with far less armour, the drone can do the A-10 mission now and anti tank missles like Javelin make using A10's for tank busting too dangerous
Any help is better than nothing. Mostly Aircraft which determine who dominates the battlefield.
Zeleankyyyy getting arrested would help a lot.
@@imperialmotoring3789 troll somewhere else!
It's true. He's embezzeling funds and just getting his country destroyed and population killed. Their military are literally kidnapping young men off the streets and sending them to die in Bakmut. They are sending them out with no training, they usually have a few hours to live after they've been deployed. What's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy, and it's the West's fault.
@@imperialmotoring3789yeah cos that's the only thing that'll allow the "second best army" to win
@@Truth4thetrue Zelesnkyyy can't fight his way out of a paper bag. This is Biden's war, not his.
Take away a zero from the range chart, and that's its actual range when in combat
Someone was clearly smoking crack when they posted that range figure. MiG-29 is a very short-legged platform meant for point defense like a MiG-23 or MiG-21.
The rational delay in providing modern western aircraft is pilot training and ground support staff. My understanding is that takes years.. not months.
no way your forgetting that Ukraine is already using pilots there just training on new aircraft not from scrath you also have huge holidays in the military parade days days off non flexible time tables , Ukraine does not have any of those set backs. They say learning english takes years too but i bet you can teach some one in 3 weeks if they have the right background and are doing it 10 hours a day with the right teacher
1:26 THIS JOKER NEVER STOPS BEGGING
Some of the Polish MiGs are former German MiGs and are one of the most taken care of planes of the type evermade. They went through multiple upgrades and are years in front of Ukrainian planes. The problem is that there might be some differences in the cockpit compared to old non-upgraded MiGs so for me this is the reason to use the new planes for spare parts. The other problem is the number of flight hours these planes had, especially ex-German ones which can result in structural weakneses which without a doubt have been taken care of
The reall problem though is that they just can't stand up to SU57s. SU 57s can pick them up FAR quicker with their radar & have missiles that are "beyond-visual-range". That means whoever is sitting in the Mig-29 is a sitting duck. They'll never know what hit them.
@@michaelgl8516 The good thing about SU57s is that there only 20 made and less than 10 in service with Russian VKS. And they won't leave Russian airspace because the Russians will be afraid of having one shot down over Ukraine.
An actual threat the Ukrainians face are Russian SU-27/30/35s that they use to fire missiles into Ukraine and against Ukrainian jets sometimes even without having to leave Russian airspace.
@@michaelgl8516 What are you even talking about? the SU-57 is a failed project, there are only like 11 of them operational, and they are not battle ready.
@@michaelgl8516 And that's why they'll want to fly the upgraded MiG-29s. They'll have updated missile counter-measures. Ukrainian pilots have been training on some of those systems. Presumably, some have graduated from the course and are ready to use these upgrade aircraft, which is why they are now being made available. There wasn't any point in sending them earlier, when they would be grounded and vulnerable to Russian surface-to-surface missiles and not yet usable.
None of the ex-german migs went to Ukraine. When we got them they weren't well taken care of.
”Further deliveries of fighter jets from Estonia and Latvia”… who are these experts of yours 😂
:DD thinking the same thing :D
It's not about facts here.
Lay back, relax and listen to what they want you to believe.
The fact that these countries do not operate such jets doesn't mean they don't have any left from the soviet era. Even if these airframes aren't maintained propperly, they can still be used as a source for spareparts.
It’s possible that Estonia and Latvia could act as a go-between when it comes to delivering jet fighters to Ukraine.
For example, other NATO countries could avoid negative publicity in their own countries by supplying jets to Estonia and Latvia, and not to Ukraine. And then Estonia and Latvia ‘donate’ them to Ukraine.
That allows the original supplier to say “We haven’t supplied fighter jets to Ukraine” and “Estonia and Latvia made the decision to donate them to Ukraine on their own, we weren’t consulted”.
@@T.efpunkt quick history lesson for you. Latvia, Estonia, once was in soviet union, but were first to leave it. Russia was very salty about it, so they took EVERYTHING. They left no millitary equipment, soviet bases looted, documents destroyed. So no, there is no airframes or any other parts here.
Undercarriage on the Viper can (easily) be improved to fit more rugged runways - the real issue is what is going to get sucked up by the airintake - which cant be shielded like the one on the Mig
Shouldn't be to hard to pace some protective mesh in front of the intake...seriously, I'll never get why western nations build such impractical aircraft that some debris that lies around the airstrip can disable or outright destroy! That sound slike a serious weaknes that can easily be addressed!
The problem with MiG-29 is that it has kinda OK air to air capabilities but almost no air to ground capabilities so the only thing it's really good at is to protect your own forces from the attacks of enemy's aviation but it can't really be used offensively to target enemy's ground forces or supply lines, this is where jets like F-16 are much more capable.
Air to ground capabilities can be added through upgrades..mig 29s used by IAF has air to ground capabilities
They are using HARMs after upgrade in the UAF, also they have basic dumb bomb and rockets capabilities even without upgrade
Kinda OK? Have you seen the crazy maneuvers the MiG29 can pull off? F15 pilots in Operation Desert Storm were advised not to get in a turning fight with MiG29s. The MiG29 can be used for offensive and defensive purposes and it was built for the role to win dogfights, air to ground was the last requirement.
To be fair, at the very least the MiGs can mount JDAMS which are GPS guided. However what truly makes the F16 shine is that it can fire active-radae AIM-120s which can engage BVR targets
@one-metallica4156 that may be true, but in modern air combat, range is king.
Ukraine needs planes which can launch BVR missiles to counter Russian jets
The sheer amount of approving and cheering comments by ordinary Russians under videos about the atrocities committed against civilians and prisoners of war in Ukraine were no less shocking to Ukrainians than the war itself.
We somehow got used to the war, but the realization of who we have been living next to all this time without even knowing it is still terrifying.
Those barbarians called themselves our brothers.
Imagine what they would do to you, who they call their enemies, if you let them.
Not supplying weapons to Ukraine under the pretext of achieving an early peace would be like allowing a violator to violate his victim in order to end the violence as soon as possible.
Possibly bots
If you know Russia, than it shouldn’t be that shocking. Putins approval rates are up to 80%. The Russians overwhelmingly support the war. Sure, there are some that are against it, but let’s not kid ourselves and say that it’s only Putins war
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I see the same reaction of people when they see video’s of mutulated russian soldiers. Think for yourself.
@@Lecruque Then don´t go into a different land to loot, burn and murder. But yeah poor russians and evil hohols right ?
Ukraine pilots, and more importantly mechanics, are trained on the Mig29. The Mig29 can operate from unimproved airfields.
The F-16 needs a smooth clean runway, in addition to training for pilots and mechanics, and they will need a supply chain of spare parts.
These aircraft are almost certainly going to be used for ground attack, so the Mig's spare engine will also be a plus.
Spare parts and trained mechanics for F-16s can be found in many western European countries. The F-16 isn't the best choice, but it is really the only western fighter produced in sufficient quantities.
They still have some KICK.
Migs have always been formidable.
Yes they are out dated,but pilots are already familiar with them so no long trading needed.
4:45 The Baltic States don't have fighter jets of their own!
Yeah, surprising ignorance there. Estonia had hundreds of war planes in the 1930s, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union it has focused on building infrastructure for hosting allied NATO planes instead of buying its own. There are lots of fighter jets in Estonia all the time, but they're Danish, Italian, German etc.
I would like to hear more from this "expert" on what kind of fighter jets can Ukraine expect from Latvia and Estonia. They must be some new generation super stealthy ones since no one has ever seen them.
mind u, a top speed on a plane is ususally the fastest it can go, but also the most strain will be put on the aircraft if it ever went top speed, youd probably only want to use top speed in cases of like 9-11 in america, otherwise it just strains the airframe far too much and burns too much fuel
He lost me when he said that the Baltic countries could supply fighter jets, the Baltic countries, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have zero fighter jets. You would think a so called expert would know such basic information.
I am from Latvia and we don't have fighter planes
Latvia has only locally made recon airplaines
@@Richzegreen Yes
There4 you r in nato😂
@Oskars Grigans
Since 2014 the German army is doing its NATO job at the Baltics with about 1.700 troops, from which two thirds are German troops) incl full equipment, another 2.000 German troops are on stand by in case of urgent needed action.
Germany is also doing the air policing at the Baltics as well as some German Fregates are "cruising" in the Baltic Sea to protect the Baltics from the sea side.
Since January the NRFNato VJTF responce force with about 11.000 troops (from which 8.000 are German troops) incl full equipment (like about 40ish Leopard 2 A7V and other stuff) are at the Baltics as well.
Together we're strong 😊
Edit typo/autocorrect
Well nato exists to protect all its members. So you have them in way.
Russian jets were always designed for rough frontier runways with robust undercarriages. F-16's are more capable but vulnerable to rough, debris laden runways.
That is why I think FA/18 is best option for Ukraine , Hornet was build on aircraft carrier in rough seas and can land on roads Finland do that , and US not long time ago retired most ... issue is trining pilots & crews.
Should provide them with upgraded legacy Hornets. They are available in large numbers. Some of them have been upgraded to use a modern radar designed for the Super Hornet. This gives them enhanced capabilities against adversaries at long ranges.
The USA, Canada, Spain, Finland, and others have Hornets that are being phased out of active service. In total this is hundreds of serviceable fighters that could be sent.
Soviet..
Not russian
@@stupidburp The 680+ F/A-18's have been built compared to over 4,000 F-16's.
Dozens of F/A-18's are available vs the over 1000 F-16 in storage and 50+ F-16's belonging to a couple of contractors
Isnt the mig-29 actually a newer aircraft then the f-16? They are both 4th gen aircraft
From where is the picture at 2:08? thats looking really good.
The red-white roundel of the Polish Air Force again stands for freedom like in july 1940 during Battle for Britain and during WW2...makes me proud to be Polish that we didn't cower in face of the Russians...hopefully they will deliver their payload on target during close air support missions like during the exercises...For yours and our freedom Ukrainians!!!
What about the Polish Air Force that fought for freedom above the skies of Poland in the 1920-21 Polish-Soviet War? They deserve more recognition.
@@timonsolus All of them.
Poland 🫶 mad respect for showing the love and continued support to Ukraine and her people 🤜🤛
I like it...l like it a lot ⛳
Aggressive Polyak 😂😂😂😂
@@Chip_in Don' t scream.
As happy as I am that my little country finally decided to provide the jets that we can not use anymore, the fact is, that given their lack of modern air-to-air and air-to-ground warfare is making them of limited use at this particular conflict. Ukraine needs jets like Gripen (probably the best option) or F-16 as these can be equipped with weapons that could make an impact. Mig-29, sadly, is not up against the Russian modern weapons and AD.
Depending on youre amount of pilots you can send anything into battle OR use
@@juriaanoussoren that does not sound like a great strategy
@@matusknives sound's like a Russian strategy
And regardless we should be training ukrainian pilots on western jets already, just to get them proficient for when/if deliveries are approved.
The plane is old. The design is old but the avionics inside should be pretty _'modern'_ by todays standards. These MIGs should have seen their last update in either 2015 or 2019 (I think 2019...) which pushed them up to the NATO standard of interoperability between NATO countries.
MIG-29s are very good planes which is a total credit to her original designers. They are fast, they are manurable and very agile. The engines might be less efficient compared to more modern planes of similar design and role but thats to be expected with something from the 70s.
The way you speak of it is as if Estonia and Poland are sending them Spitfires, Hurricanes and P-51s to fight Russian Jets... Its not like that at all.
If Ukrainian pilots have good training and experience. They will dominate or fight just as well in the MIG-29 compared to their Russian counterparts.
*Also as point of note:* Estonia only retired their fleet of MIG-29's because America offered them 20 or 30 F-16s to replace them. If USA hadnt offered. Estonia would have kept their MIGs flying. Im not sure about Poland and their MIGs, Maybe the were offered the same deal from the USA but Poland being close to Germany, I think they would have been offered Eurofighters instead.
The only thing I dont know is how long Estonia and Poland have had their MIGs and if the airframes are still within the MTBF (mean time before failure) - Airframes have a life span and a lot of flying hours and high G pulls can cause microcracks/fractures in the frame as well as fatigue/weakness of the airframe/chassis - ultimately meaning that the plane is no longer completely safe to fly.
I agree that a Gripen would be a very very good option for Ukraine.
Cannot be underestimated in this conflict given adaptability to new weapon systems
A-10's for close support and F-16's for a layered air defense over the battle field.
She conducted a very good interview 👏
Counteroffensive? The Ukrainian defense minister asked the media to stop assuming there would be a big offensive.
Sorry I didn't get that memo little bot.....
If Germany was in the Baltics they would have been the one to stop Russians at bay so that they don't dare to invade them. But since they have distance from them and there's a sizeable buffer zone they aren't worried as much
Demanding??? They should be thankful
It all depends how much they have been upgraded. Theoretically it would be possible to replace the old radars and update enough inside the cockpit to allow basic target aquisition for NATO missiles. If this is not the case then their usefulness will be limited, not least by lack of soviet ammunition. As others have noted the MiG is also not designed for ground attack.....
theoretically, it is impossible since a lot of things are analog, not designed to be modular, the amount of work would be more then designing a new jet. they belong to museum, not battle fields. poor ukrainians.
Refits only improve so much and the purpose of fighters is to counter enemy bombers and bombers as well as to support ground offensives.
You must be nuts to fly an old plane against the most modern Russian planes.
It is a flying coffin.
Suicide Mission
"...and are finally starting to get some."
Me: I see what u did there.
Personally I'm not sure why they're so fixated on F-16s which need a proper airbase and thus an inviting target for Russian missiles. The SAAB JAS-39 Gripen being designed to operate off roads seem more appropriate for deployment.
Migs does not make difference, they are just a platform.😌The western weapons attached to migs can make some difference or increase capabilities. The migs coming have western weapons attached.
5:00
Neither Estonia nor Latvia has fighter jets…
It's not about facts here.
Lay back, relax and listen to what they want you to believe.
Not operating aircraft and not having any are two different things.
Oh my God, they are using Soviet era mig 29's like out of the museums. Unbelievable
Those Mig planes are so beautiful
MIG29 in the right hands, is a devastating dog fighter. It can do manoeuvres others can only dream of, at the cost of extreme fuel consumption.
F16 is a better dog fighter and air superiority jet, but requires a lot of training to work the radar effectively. I have flown both in DCS simulator.
Neither are appropriate for this kind of war. Specially with all the MANPADs around.
This war requires long range guided munitions, and lots of them.
The Swedish Gripen would be the right fighter. It was specifically designed to fight Russia whilst being heavily outnumbered and has a lot of unique capabilities because of that.
Problem is the very low numbers of gripen available. Sweden likely wouldn’t want to give Ukraine their entire air force atleast until they’re in NATO.
Well said
The age of the turning dog fight is over. Within Visual range turning dog fights are less than 18 Kilometers (11 miles), the range the naked eye can see. Russian air-to-air Beyond Visual Range missiles have a range up to 200KM and their radars can see farther. Ukraine Soviet era produced planes have a missile and radar range of 100KM. This is a range deficit of two to one, and is one of the reasons that Ukrainian fighters are being destroyed.
If you believe what the russians say about their fighters specs sure. Plus Ukrainian pilots have only been trained on migs. Some rumors they’ve started f16 training tho.
@@dexterplameras3249 name 1 russian rocket model that has 200km range, please. R77 isnt one of them.
Hundreds of current spec F/A-18 Hornets are being retired and replaced with F-35s by several NATO and Allied countries. It has been argued that the hardended landing gear on the F/A-18 makes it a better option for Ukraine than the F-16; F-16 vs F/A-18 is effectively an Air-Force vs Navy argument.
Quickly creating a new Airforce and all it's support elements during a war is a massive undertaking. It would take at least 5 yrs to train and equip enough people to make a difference on the battlefield. That's why it's not high on the list right now.
@@tommygun5038 Training experienced Mig pilots to fly the F-16s or F/A-18s takes 1 year. There are dozens of US and NATO veterans that have publically said they would volunteer to fly for Ukraine if Ukraine was given F-16s. It would not be hard to find 30 or 40 combat vets from the Iraq and Afganistan wars that want to fly again.
@@jiffypoo5029 ......They would need hundreds of aircraft , pilots and trained ground crew. Not happening in a year to make a significant battlefield difference. Maybe in the future but not now.
@@tommygun5038 not really true you dont need hundreds. For example china's airforce has over 1600 aircraft and Australia has just 100. Australia has better training more experience better pilots and the very best western tech Growlers AWACS super hornets F35's with the latest drones. Similiar to Russia vs Ukraine what do you think would happen if China launched some 800 aircraft attack on the north of AUS from an island in INdonesia which is also pro russian? Id say they would nearly all be shot down as long as AUS didnt run out of missles. The tech training and motivation advantage over your enemy can easy make up for numbers just like at Israel and how many countries they can beat with there air force even when greatly outnumbered which they always are
@@idawulan6789 .....The exact scenario you're describing is why NATO is concentrating on air defense systems for Ukraine. Keeping the Russian Airforce out of the fight is a major win. The Israelis and Australians weren't trained overnight on their systems either. They might be training Ukraine pilots and ground crews in secret though.
How long does it take to "deliver" a plane?
The guy they interviewed as an "expert" doesn't know his stuff. He's saying Ukraine might get fighter jets from "Estonia or Latvia." Neither of those nations has any fighter aircraft (nor does Lithuania).
The benefit to F-16s and other jets is their ability to carry newer missiles. These MIG 29s can’t carry and fire the new missiles from NATO. The new jets that Russia has newer missile capabilities that allow them to shoot down Ukrainian pilots before the Ukrainian pilots are in range. It is like going into a fight against a boxer who has twice the reach that you do. This is why we all should be reaching out to our representatives and pushing newer NATO Jets.
Was the divorce that bad?
They can be retrofitted to take the newer missile variants.
They’re already modified the Migs to take Jdams
@@Gumpmachine1 JDAMS are different than integrating AIr to Air systems including radar. JDAMS are regular bombs with wings and GPS
@@rustyheyman214 fair point
These MiG-29s will carry the AIM120C. That levels the playing field.
Understand that the Mig-29 has proven itself and has proven it can fight. Ye's it's over 30-40 years old, but it can still fly and fight. Especully over it's own. Now Ukraine Needs a lot of armorment for these jets.
More importantly Ukrainian pilots are already trained to fly them and know them well
Fights?
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Are you understand what did it calls?
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6:51 Does it actually though?
Because it could be argued that the attack happened on 24.02.22 and that the war is just a continuation of said attack instead of being a continuing series of new tiny attacks...
Upgrades matter. If upgraded it's capabilities increases. Examples are Indian mig 21 Bison and Chinese J7 which is mig 21 licensed by ussr.
Australia was the best country to get upgraded F18's. These were all retired in 2021 and are in storage, they had a private buyer in the US for pilot aggressor training but that has not gone through yet or is held up by the US regulations. Australia had about 72 , Canada took the best 18 or so and there are over 50 left. These were upgraded with a special frame extention overhual called the HUG program around 2008 that increased there flight hours a lot and made the frame even stronger. They had the best non AESA radar of any hornet and were upgraded a lot , they would be perfect for Ukraine as they are available right now as Australia already almost has its full load of new F35s already ( they were an early buyer). Australia would still have also all the pilots too that can still fly and train and maintance the aircraft it was only taken offline completely in January 2022. Just 40 of these would make a good difference for Ukraine as no other western aircraft can use so many different missles and bombs the F18 can do everything well and has a very robust frame with 2 engines and great low speed handling. Malaysia also has 8 they could donate they dont use it anymore , yet there too close and friendly with Russia with many Russian weapons in there military. Canada is not ready to part with theres , Finland has the newest ones last production run but id say the US military with 40 hornets from Australia could set Ukraine up fine... later on they could easily get another 120 from Canada and finland as they retire there fleets. 150 hornets for an Air force the size of Ukraine is more then enough and still a capable fleet . There also very good at anti ship and would be far more dangerous to Russia then Drones and migs, air launched harpoon has a good 200km range if you launch it low you wont see it coming to its close
Nope. They're going to Malaysia
lol, goog luck making australia give away their jets
Nope. Ukraine does not have any F-18 pilots. You can't just hop out of a MiG-29 and jump into an F-18, sorry.
Additionally, there are no facilities for repair or maintenance of F-18s in Ukraine.
No - Ukraine needs MiG-29s! More of what they already have!
Excellent idea. I can start taking my iodine tablets and say goodbye to my family.
Australia would be a good choice, since until more F-35s are produced, the US Navy doesn't have enough F-18s to put every carrier to sea simultaneously. It is a good choice, even better than the F-16 (as you note, actually more weapons integrated). Perhaps a fundraiser to allow Ukraine to purchase them?
4:08
The problem for Ukraine is that they're running low on ammunition for their long range air defense assets, something that NATO just doesn't really make, and Russia is attacking Ukraine from beyond the range of the non-sovirt era air defenses of Ukraine.
Making them capable of dismantling the Ukrainian air defenses bit by bit.
Modern western fighter jets with long range air to air missiles would cover that gap in Ukrainian capabilities allowing them to continue to deny their airspace to the Russians.
These jets aren't really good enough to do that even though they'll definitely help.
Modern jets would also provide offensive capability that would be useful.
Good point. Maybe Ukraine should buy some modern jets then and stop asking for freebies. Free stuff is always the junk other people don't want. The whole goal here by the west is to make it difficult and cost Russia as much as possible. Not help Ukraine win the war. Otherwise Ukraine would have these planes and much more already.
NASAM and that german IRT can use sidewinder and AIM-120 missles. There would be 1 million of those missles in circulation around the World right now and its 2 of the most popular most widely used current missle in the World, they can never run out of missles with that system... There is also a large number of RBS-70 anti air systems around the world that are still very modern but getting phased out these could be given to Ukraine there would be easy 300 plus available
@@Travis26X Western Europe is far more concerned about the war spreading to Russian territory, even though there is no indication that Putin would actually escalate to nuclear conflict.
@@hb1338 If that were true Western Europe wouldn't be helping at all. Because If somehow Ukraine does gain ground back there would be nothing stopping them from advancing into Russia. So sending any weapons, especially the hundreds of tanks, would help to make that outcome possible.
Its a theory I admit it. But to me it feels more like an attempt to drain the Russian war machine without fighting it directly. Plus disposing of old military hardware at the same time.
Ukraine should sign peace treaty. Better to stop war that you can’t win.
if they want more modern aircraft they should buy them with their own money as everybody else does
I'm sure the Mig 29s are great if the avionics etc have been updated etc. Wonder if they've been equipped to carry the AMRAAM?
The Baltic countries do not have fighter jets to give.
Not anymore
All these countries are paper members of Nato -- they are not joining the club for it's offensive capabilities but they are joining to enhance their defensive survivability.....
Hey Mike, looks and sounds like you had a couple of beers last night. I would hope that ATACMS missiles are currently deployed in the HIMARS for the spring offensive; one would think beginning or middle of May. Take out the Kerch Bridge once and for all, flatten some of Saky airfield, hit command and control thought to be out of reach and key bridging and rails; and choke the land bridge to Crimea. Hit ‘em in the back with small recon and small unit operations and punch ‘em in the face at the front door hitting them with two prongs with the help of GMLRS missiles. They do have a fair amount of HIMARS and MLRS systems now. The Ukrainians know where and how dug-in they are. Who knows what it would look like but the Ukrainians have war gamed this to the point, where if history repeats itself, they will take the objectives that they have set for themselves. They held the Russian by the neck in Bakhmut and gave him a bloody nose and confused him, and they took casualties to achieve that. It would give Putin severe heartburn and rattle the Kremlin’s bricks creating even more turmoil in the regime, one would hope.
Good report!
It's ok if you can just use it as a mobile platform to launch missiles.
5:01 You invited a nice "expert" who say about possible delivery of fighter jets from Estonia or Latvia XD
Not about facts here.
That they don't fly these planes doesn't mean they don't have any left over from the soviet era. Do your homework before trashing experts
@@T.efpunkt what planes? Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have no fighter jets whatsoever. Other NATO countries have to patrol their airspace, It's called Baltic air policing. I am no military expert, but I think an expert from NATO country should know this
@@T.efpunkt lol I am Latvian citizen we dont have any fighter jets even from soviet era😂 Baltic states do not have their own jets😂 that expert talks smart but knows nothing...
that expert is a clown, he says that Baltic countries have fighter jets😂
The problems are that these Migs are all 32 years old or more. The Russians at least managed to build some after the break up of the Soviet Union, but they all went to the Russian AirForce. The last brand new aircraft to join the Ukrainian AirForce I think was a Mig29, and that occurred in 1991. The ones Poland, Slovakia had and the ones Germany inherited from East Germany were likely built in the 1980s. At least Ukraine can use these almost straight away, but they are old and rickety airframes and all of them would today probably be in the process of being replaced if it were possible.
F18 and f16 and f22 are also from 70s and 80s the question is when did they get upgraded last
The US is still using B-52 bombers built in the 1960’s.
@@timonsolus yea, but upgraded 10+ times. So not realy 1960
Time for a fighter jet coalition just like the tank coalition produced much need battle tanks for Ukraine
@@kerstas10 any problem with su-27s and mig-29s. problem is with rockets (russians has long range R-77, which some time was mase in Kyiv before 1991, ukraines - not) and radars (russians has A-50s, ukranians has AN-71, but it rusts in trash cindition) so until ukraine get's long range missiles and radars, it has nothing to compare. only tactis and bravery
If soviet era can carry a lot amount of smartbomb i can safely say yes
Jet function is like scissor, you don't have to need strong(modern) scissor to cut carboard(enemy bases)
The only thing you need is sharpest(cheap fast reliable) scissor
It is EXTREMELY SAD that so many lives, be it human or animal, are lost because of the madness of so called leaders.
Leaders, plural? How about Putin. Ukrainians are not required to give up their country just to save lives or to be peaceful. They would be forever subjugating themselves to cruel Russian rule, forever. That is not peaceful.
demanding?
Migs from Poland and Slovakia are can be used to defending the Ukrainian territory from balistics missiles and drones. For the front battles Ukrainians need western aircraft.Slava Ukraini❤🇵🇱🤝🇺🇦
4:59 fighter jets deliveries from Latvia? It seems that these countries are so small that they cannot afford having there own airforce.
"The counter-offensive that is days away". That aged well!
The F16 came into service in 1979. Is the F16 a Soviet era plane?
It would be if it was developed by soviet union. But it still is really old plane too and only could be used in very limited situations because of the age of the tech.
A F16 block 70 can easily beat any Su 27 and the SU 27 is a 1990s aircraft so whats your point? in fact Taiwan is building new F16's right now they would not be doing it if they were no match for Russian aircraft that china uses
@@idawulan6789 defeat? How in a dog fight like Top Gun?
if you give him f16s who’s going to pay for them, who’s going to pay to maintain them, who’s going to pay to arm them. The usa tax payer as already reached PEAK Ukraine aid. Another aid package the size of the original one won’t be passed.
Europe always complains about being independent from the usa.Well now Europe gets to protect themselves for a change.
Don't forget to count the taxpayer money you wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan.
@@peabase No problem. I live in the now and for the future.
@@kbram7363 ...and you learn nothing from history.
Learn this: military adventurism = bad.
Let's be honest. The Mig 29 is a good fighter, but it is well past it's prime. This is not going to be able to defend Ukraine airspace from Russia's airforce.
Those specs of the mig 29 are really streching it. On a normal sortie it would probably have the range of about 500-600km and a service ceiling of like 12km
This guy is pretty clueless for an expert...
Thanks for the minority report...
@@FourDollaRacing 5:01 He says about delivery of fighter jets from Latvia or Estonia. Military expert invited to talk about aviation. C'mon
@@FourDollaRacing doesn't mean he is not right
To briefly write down my view of things in Bakhmut.
First of all, the city is not yet in a kettle. Since both roads, both the one through Khromovo and the road to Ivanivske, are not yet under Wagner's full control.
But it is evident that the battle for Bakhmut is slowly but surely coming to an end. UA is being pushed more and more west. The target field for artillery is getting smaller and smaller, which brings clear advantages for Wagner + RU units. UA has an enormous disadvantage in this area anyway in terms of artillery.
In addition, the reserves in Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk and Druzhkovka have been successfully hit for weeks. This makes it difficult for UA to send more reserves to Bakhmut anyway.
But now there are fights on both supply routes. At Ivanivske very close to the road. At Khromovo directly on the street.
So only 90% dirt roads remain.
Now we come to a crucial point. It's starting to rain more for the next few days. Which makes dirt roads very difficult to pass again. In addition, all exits from Bakhmut are under RU fire control anyway.
So if UA want to leave Bakhmut (which I personally don't think they will) but they should, they would have to withdraw in the coming hours or tomorrow. Since tomorrow evening the dirt roads will be impassable again.
So either they go now, or there will be very, very high losses for UA for almost all units that are still in the city.
Because of the weather alone, a counter-offensive in the Bakhmut area makes 0.0 sense at the moment. Since this would not end successfully with 99%, because a lot of the equipment would simply get stuck in the mud.
I'm curious what will happen in the coming days.
must be horrible to be one of the grunts
I wish we had not encouraged him, but I really hope Zelinski (and company) doesn't get away without serious justice for doing so much damage to Uke
@@JonathanSterlingUSA How dare he defend his nation from Russian peacekeepers!!!
@@LRRPFco52
Read the original post, to tell what's about to happen to all those guys. Zielinski isn't defending anything. He wasn't even aware or concerned about the pending invashun.
But don't believe me, there are plenty of world renowned scholars one can consult for the big picture... Douglas Macgregor, Ray McGovern, Seymour Hersh, Stephen Kinzer, Pat Buchanan, John Mearsheimer, Glenn Greenwald, Jeffrey Sachs, Henry Kissinger, and others.
@@JonathanSterlingUSA I’ve been tracking the big picture of Russia and Europe since the 1970s since my mom is from Finland. I have lived all over Europe and Russia, and my contacts in the Russian Foreign Ministry were boasting about taking back Russian former territories now that Putin is there back in the 2000s. I kinda wanted to ignore them, but stayed cautiously suspicious and aware. Georgia was on the list, so when Russia invaded Georgie in 2008 while I was in Estonia, I remembered what they claimed and thought, “Looks like Putin’s plans are going forward.”
Doug MacGregor has been wrong every month of the war so far. I looked at each of his main statements he puts out, along with his interviews. Every one is wrong so far. Seymour Hersh, an expert? Ha ha!
Pilots are not taxi drivers. A pilot who trained in a MIG 29 can not use a F16. Maybe they could fly with the f-16's but they would have no chance against the Russian pilots.
This should be a gamechanger
Any time anyone says something will be game changer it inevitably does not change anything about the game.
Old can be good older Ukrainian pilots will be able to get in them jets and immediately give them full noise while if they are lucky enough to be able to have a country help them out with Newer jets the young blokes will be able to get their head around that technology easy ! I would much rather have a bloke who is familiar with a machine that doesn't have to be retrained its awsome that a country has done this and they have arrived and are ready to go ! It's better than throwing rocks at the enemy ,it's not perfect but even if it only saves one Ukrainian life it's worth having a go ! War sucks and being attacked in your own country for no reason would be the most frightening thing imaginable ! These Ukrainian people are fighting for what most of us take for granted ! Freedom , hopefully this gets sorted soon and any help that Ukraine get I'm sure that they would really appreciate ! Somebody has to talk to Putin and tell him to snap out of it !but what would I know it's just my thoughts and I'm a old has-been
When is the Ukraine going to start paying USA back?
I think the apprehension in giving F16 is that others feel Ukraine will attack Russia rather than defend itself which will significantly escalate the war not to mention the cost and training of aircraft adds to the concern.
It's war, they should have the ability to strike into Russia ("But that will escalate!" - Nah, what can Putler do? Bring the nukes? If he does he's dead, because I doubt even his hardliners would follow him!), so long range HIMARS, cruise missiles and aircraft that can drop some explody stuff (otherwisen known as bombs!) on Russian airbases for example or ammo-dumps and logistics hubs!
No, F-16 has NATO systems integrated, which cannot be given to non NATO country.
Giving a vehicle with these link systems to country who don't have it will be a waste, because Ukraine will not use them properly, those vehicles will not add any power to that country's defense, most of rockets/bombs will not work, and almost every systems will display just blank screens, but they will understand, that modern hardware without AWACS, radars, satellites, communication facilities, and trained stationary crew will be useless for them and they will stop demanding it. MIG's is on their own, you just hop in and you fight, everything you need you have in that aircraft, but new equipment will not work just on their own.
@@Diaco1200 The F16 is not cutting edge and whatever tech is in there, I bet the Russians have the plans for that already! So yeah, they would not gain anything if they show one down and salvaged it!
May just be used to provide parts: PARTS ARE GOOD!
You can't be begging for weapons to fight a war. Just surrender and negotiate if you are to beg for weapons and food every day.
These planes are better than no planes. Also the pilots will use these planes in its fullest capacity.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦☮️🇨🇦
they are in bad condition worthy of parting out of museum piece.
Slava Russia!
🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
Negotiate with Moscow peasant
New pilot recruitment undergoing training on different trainers . Then graduating to lead in trainer. Then to actual fighter which he is suppose to fly. All these steps won’t be passed without atleast 2 years of training. They have spare pilots which is less likely then above step can be accelerated to one year may be .
Mig-29s radars have limited range when compared to f-16
1) The F16s provide air superiority and SEAD using AMRAAM and HARM, as well as high value precision strike with JDAM/SDB/Maverick.
2) The MiG 29s provide basic VFR ground strike with bombs and rockets and can still take out helicopters as a target of opportunity.
There, fixed it.
Now fix the Nordstream bit
@@dessmith7658 **Thinking very hard**
Did that do it?
@@dessmith7658
Not needed anymore since September last year 😊
@@saba1030 And all the depleted Ukrainians
@@dessmith7658
Well, computer hero, I wonder in which "condition" (physicly and mentaly) you would be after more then one year living in those terrible conditions, the Ukrainians are experiencing.
What I am just annoyed with Ukraine is that, they never stop asking for more and more. First they ask for more ammunition, then ask for more tanks and now they are asking for more jets.
Because they are losing and they need that to stay in the game. A negotiated peace is what they should be trying to obtain. They can ask for weapons too, but they need be trying to negotiate for peace as well. Hopefully their offensive will lead to a better position of strength because they will need to better positioned for favorable negotiations.
4:57 This war 'expert ' is unaware Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania do not have any fighter jets. Baltic countries are very small and do not have means to have expensive fighter jets. NATO is patrolling Baltic skies. UK rotating amongst other NATO members. Please advise the expert.
Just because your car in not the newest model in the showroom doesn't mean that it is obsolete.
(Arms manufacturers will tell you that only their very newest gizmos are worth having.)
The MIG-29 is still a dangerous weapon.
Why eu banned Ukrainian wheat 🌾?? We Europeans can't afford expansive wheat and eu is banning wheat imports why?
Because it is killing the national economies of countries like Poland. In normal circumstances it would be free for all market, but not now.
@@Mastah2006 rip your logic wheat will kill you economy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Mastah2006 free market is good for countries economy.
Because eu values money 🤑💰
Toxic pesticides are used in Ukraine wheat & are banned for use in the EU.
Look the airframe is Mig-29 but you could retrofit it to modernize it in a sense. it won't have the stealth capabilities of the F35 but it could hypothetically have the ECM, Guidance systems and Radom of F35 implanted into that airframe.. As always the risk in giving these systems to Ukraine is that they could be reverse engineered and exported to hostile countries. Its interesting how the Arab League Countries , who Ukraine always votes for, never supplies them with anything, it all falls on the west (And no followup on Egypt selling weapons to Russia, but if it was a country like Israel doing that they'd probably never hear the end of it) . So I guess what I'm saying is that Zelenski needs to give more assurances and loyalty to countries who are willing to provide help, Why hand off F35 tech when it could easily end up at the wrong hands?
The World is being divided into NATO countries and CSAT countries , which alliance does Ukraine supports?
CSAT!!!! THEY FUNDED BRUTAL AAF GREENBACKS !
Reporters love saying "Spring Offensive".
"Soviet-era" is such a catchy headline isn't it?
I think the key phrase in the video is that the MiG's may end up just being used for parts for existing Ukrainian aircraft
It generally isn't a great idea to be using aircraft built by the country that you are fighting with
Western aircraft would be a better option for Ukraine, since we would then be better positioned to resupply/repair such aircraft
The United States is now the country that needs to get off its hands are supply the F-15/16's
It isn't like we don't have thousands of them and they are aging out of our air force
Might as well get one last bang for our buck out of them by giving them to Ukraine to fight the Russians, before we replace them all with 5th generation aircraft
Most of this video is showing a very poor research, especially this "key phrase".
"America as an enemy is bad, but America as an ally is fatal."
-- Ukrane is the perfect example of above statement
amen
ouch
Is it so hard to install newer radars and retrifit missile systems?
missiles can't be really properly retrofit
That already happend as far as possible, these jets got updated to nato standards when the countries using them joined nato. The channel military aviation history posted a video on this very topic a few weeks ago
Is it so hard for Zelenskyyyy to surrender already?
@@imperialmotoring3789 😂😂😂😂
@@imperialmotoring3789 If it's too hard for Zelenskyy, maybe Putin should try surrendering.
Mig29 is a fighter not ground attack. Also can't do electronic jamming like F16.
Honestly, this guy seems to have been ordered to go on television and paint as a rosy a picture as possible for Ukraines chances. I doubt even he believes the BS coming out of his mouth.