American Reacts "How One Mass Shooting Changed the UK's Gun Laws Forever"
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I'm 63 never seen a Gun in real life nor do I want too ever. A Society is in Trouble if you have to carry a Gun .
I've never forgotten the pictures of the Dunblane children on the newspaper. I remember the surge of anger we all felt that it had been possible.
I have fired weapons in the army and in a gun club. I do not miss firearms. Lives are far more important. You can never know what an atrocity an individual will do, however, you can remove the tools they do it with.
There was also the Hungerford Massacre, 1987, which led tolaw changes for automatic weapons.
When Michael Ryan went shooting off down the shops!!! Friend of my Mother lived in Hungerford at the time, She saw Ryan walking down the street shooting people.
Mr North who lost his daughter gave an interview she was shot 5 times she was five. Let that sink in!
How can I look at another film with Charlton Heston in it when I see him say.” From my cold dead fingers”. All I can say is what if it was your grandchildren who were killed by another child.
My individuality hinges upon the books I read, records I listen to and all that kind of stuff, not having access to something that can easily and efficiently kill people.
Agree 10000%
I'm in the uk. I have a firearms certificate and a shotgun certificate. They are hard to get and are hard to keep. If i have a gun with me anywhere but the range or a certified shoot. I can do jail time. I have several fight calibre and each is declared and i just state the purpose. I have limited ammunition and my guns must be locked in a safe at all times. The bolts, magazines and ammunition must be stored separately. The UK don't ban guns but they make sure gun owners are responsible. There was another mass shooting just a few years ago and the law tightened even more. It appears we,as a society,value our children's lives more than the gun owners wants
Frankly I've never understood this fixation Americans have about the Constitution. It was something stitched together by a bunch of politicians 250 years ago (some of them far more disreputable than the current crop) to meet conditions prevailing in a country barely civilised by European standards. Somehow it has achieved the status of Holy Writ, even when parts of it are patently absurd and not serving the needs of the nation. Thank God for a parliamentary system which can move remarkably swiftly when circumstances demand it.
Their Second Amendment was written 233 years ago when the best firearm you could get was a muzzle loading unrifled Musket with an effective range of 50 yards and a rate of fire, in experienced hands, of 3 rounds a minute. Not an AR-15 with an effective range of 400 yards and a rate of fire as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger.
American firearms legislation is stuck in the Eighteenth Century but the weapons are Twenty First Century ones.
@DanyarJaaldan
No they did NOT!
They used the word "arms" to include ALL weapons including swords and similar weapons that were still in use by militaries at that time.
Do you honestly think that people in 1791 could envisage an AR-15? 🤣
1 of the reasons given for the revolutionary war was the British were going to take the guns away from the Americans(given their propensity for starting wars and refusing to pay for them) that was understandable. You can't start a revolution saying it's about keeping guns then turn around and remove those same guns.
We always hear the arguement from folks in the US that it's not the gun but the person that's the issue , but if you take away the means to obtain a gun your lessening the risk . Its such a shame the skewed view on the right to bare arms , I think lives are more important .
I'm in England and my husband has a shotgun and a rifle for sports shooting.
We live in a rural location where the ownership of guns for shooting vermin and rabbits/ pheasants for the pot is pretty common.
However, nobody is complaining about the very strict regulations around owning a gun - before you are allowed one you are visited at home by the police to check your suitability (besides checking for any criminal convictions) You have to have a locked, steel gun cabinet screwed to a wall, before you even own a gun and somewhere equally as safe to store the ammunition away from the gun.
You have to have a form filled by your doctor to confirm that you are not suffering any mental health issues - and your medical records are tagged to show you own a gun so if, in the future, you have anything that may affect your gun ownership the doctor can alert the police.
The police can turn up at any time to do a spot check, to make sure your guns are being kept locked up and unloaded, the ammunition is locked away and that the guns you have are those registered to you.
Nobody who owns a gun, that we know of, resents all this - it's very reassuring to know that the police are making sure the regulations to keep us all safe are being enforced.
Dunblane was all the more shocking for the fact these kids were in infant school. They were 5-7 years old. The UK does still permit gun ownership, but is is extremely tightly regulated. Roughly speaking, our attitude to guns is loonies cannot own guns AND the only people who would want guns are loonies.
15 of the 16 the children were 5 and the other was 6. None of them were 7
@@jessyca1804 my mistake. As I say, all the more shocking.
Well said!
Andy Murray the tennis champion was at Dunblane School as a child when this happened.
The US has had over 400 school shootings since Columbine, thats just insane.
The irony of Chuck Heston holding up a musket that if your good can fire 3 rounds a minute is not lost on me, I've never heard of a school shooting with a musket have you? 'edited for awful typing'
I live near Dunblane, about 20 miles away. I have met one of the parents who lost a child that day and also have worked with one of the children who were in the gym who survived. Imagine going back to school with so many of your school friends having been killed.
The children who died were in Primary 1 as was my daughter at the time. She is now 33.
In the USA firearms ownership is a "Right". With very little, sometimes none, in the way of background checks or requirements for licenses.
In the UK firearms ownership is a "Privilege". One that is highly regulated with numerous checks before the necessary License is issued, limits on the type of firearms that can be owned and severe criminal penalties, usually 5+ years in prison, for illegal ownership.
The Second Amendment was written 233 years ago when the best firearm you could get was a muzzle loading unrifled Musket with an effective range of 50 yards and a rate of fire, in experienced hands, of 3 rounds a minute. Not an AR-15 with an effective range of 400 yards and a rate of fire as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger.
American firearms legislation is stuck in the Eighteenth Century but the weapons are Twenty First Century ones
That is pretty much all you need to know.
The Australian Comedian Jim Jefferies really does sum up the absurdity of the US Second Amendment in this routine:
Part One: ua-cam.com/video/0rR9IaXH1M0/v-deo.html
Part Two: ua-cam.com/video/a9UFyNy-rw4/v-deo.html
Guns and money are more important than the lives of children in America, it sickens me when republicsns are always bleating on about protecting children and voting against abortion yet they vote against any kind of sensible gun control and guns are now the biggest killer of children in the states.
ask any person from the UK to answer honestly, do we miss guns, do we want our police armed, yes we have armed response, incase its needed, but compared to american police, these guys are highly trained, not 6 month in a class room, a day on the range to prove you can hit a target, i was better shot more trained back in 1978 when i was in air cadets at 13 years old.
US cops go on a two week course to be trained on shooting people with guns. UK gun police (a miniscule subset of cops) go on a two YEAR gun course to learn how NOT to shoot people. Edit: killing -> shooting.
I just want to say this video is too emotional I just feel so sad those poor kids😭
Mick North is an incredible man. He is always so dignified.
The second amendment was introduced when people had muskets and pistols. Now they carry automatic rifles and the like. CHANGE THE LAW. Laws should be progressive and reflect modern times and thinking. The Constitution has been amended 27 times. Probably about time to make it 28.
“America Is A Gun
England is a cup of tea.
France, a wheel of ripened brie.
Greece, a short, squat olive tree.
America is a gun.
Brazil is football on the sand.
Argentina, Maradona's hand.
Germany, an oompah band.
America is a gun.
Holland is a wooden shoe.
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Australia, a kangaroo.
America is a gun.
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Scotland is a highland fling.
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I’m in the uk . The same thing happened in Australia after a mass shooting . I realise the us is different to most nations. To many lobbyists who are if not passionate in it for the money
Post Arthur, 1996. 35 dead and 24 injured.
From Wikipedia:
"Following the spree, the Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, led the development of strict gun control laws within Australia and formulated the National Firearms Agreement, restricting the private ownership of semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic shotguns and pump-action shotguns as well as introducing uniform firearms licensing. It was implemented with bipartisan support by the Commonwealth, states and territories."
I replied to your comment in a video, take a look if you haven't already. Thx for participating. ua-cam.com/video/HFUwI4TdGl0/v-deo.html
Guns = $ and power in the US. Unfortunately 😢
Very true!
@@TheHicksonDiariesHow many innocent people have died courtesy of the 2nd amendment? The NRA is so powerful in 🇺🇸 there will never be any meaningful regulations.
Love from England, Yes now only criminals have automatic weapons and hand pistols if you give up your right to defend yourselves thats on you...
Hi Mandy, one of the pupils who survived Dunblane was future tennis star Andy Murray. Although I'm more than happy with the amount of gun control in the UK, this report is not totally accurate, you can still own handguns, rifles and even semi-automatics. You can see more at "UK gun laws explained" by "Adam Explains".
In Great Britain handguns must have a minimum barrel length of 300mm (1 Foot) and a minimum total length of 600mm (2 Feet) and, like any other firearm, you must prove a LEGITIMATE reason for wanting to have one.
Tragic. I feel your pain & frustration.
Such a sad day I remember it as if it was yesterday I have tears in my eyes now thinking about it now when my sons (8 & 10) arrived home from school that day trying to explain to them why things like that happened was hard
Ugh. I’m emotional reading your comment! I had a pit in my stomach every day I sent mine to school in America
I was 6 when it happened in primary 2 in a school in glasgow i dont remember much but i do remember my gran kept me off for 2 weeks or so and when i went back there was guys that i knew where local gangsters / hard men where standing at the gates and they stood there every day untill the school got cameras amd a door entry system and parents felt comfortable leaving there kids in the school
As a point on the Second Amendment, my reading is that the intention of the framers following what was thought to be a far too powerful British Government that was controlling what, at the time, was the North American colony, resulting in rebellion, that in designing the Constitution they wanted to allow a well regulated militia to hold an over powerful government in check. My reading therefore does not mean that everyone has a right to simply own a gun - it has to be part of this well regulated militia. The Supreme Court interpreted this amendment very differently and loosened this so that anyone has a right to own a gun for ANY reason at all. Thus we have this problem that it is impossible now to go back to what I see as the original intention of the Amendment..
Humanity is it's own worst enemy
The viewpoint I have is that there are two underlying issues in the US. Firstly the culture of individualism that is so strong in the US which means that the self takes priority over the common good. The second is that politics in the US is governed by money and power. To be elected in the US requires a lot of loot and that money can flow from gun owners and their societies such as the NRA. Politicians simply want that money and thus reject stronger gun laws.
Here in Canada, we have many citizens here that also have this same gun culture as the in the US who strongly want looser gun laws and it is a constant fight to hold this in check. Of course we are further worried from all the guns in the US and that they are pirated into Canada.
But as you pointed out in one of your other videos, the UK has a culture that is far more focused on the community than the individual and far less money in politics.Despite all the phony arguments I hear in the US that guns make society safer because you can now have a weapon to defend yourself, the simple fact that countries with restrictive gun laws have less gun deaths cannot be refuted.
you have to watch all about the Port Arthur gun massacre in Australia and the reaction from the government.
Tennis star Andy Murray and his brother are survivors of that shooting.
We have always had strict gun laws.
So this incident had no effect?
and yet;
mass "incidents"
10 March 1997 Camberwell
2 June 2010 Cumbria
1 January 2012 Horden
25 March 2016 Forest Gate
12 August 2018 Manchester
12 August 2021 Plymouth
24 December 2022 Wallasey
14 January 2023 London
and
reuters. WORLD NEWS
AUGUST 22, 2018. "UK police find 'sophisticated' illegal gun factory"
I would love to say the UK did this out of the goodness of their hearts but I am sure the government only switched focus on selling abroad rather than in their own country. There’s never been a huge gun culture here so that’s probably why it was fairly easy to implement.
40 percent of your whole population still seems to be a lot who don’t want restrictions and that probably includes the gun groups that make money :(
The UK still majes a lot of money of guns, it’s just not home grown anymore, we are in the top ten exporters of arms, same as the US who is at the top, and I’ve heard that we’ve been selling where we shouldn’t be, so it’s not like we still don’t make money of it same as the US
So both our countries are not doing very well in that area, the US much more so for obvious reasons that they also aloud guns to be sold on mass go their own people, we both still make money of it despite it putting lives in danger.
Even if ours is in other countries rather than our own I’m sure our guns have still been responsible for criminal acts across other countries.
Our own gun laws in our own country may be better but we still need work if we are to say we are a country that handles guns safety. How can we say that if we sell in a big way to other countries that give more fuel to wars?
aoav.org.uk/category/uk-arms-export-countries/uk-arms-exports-to-countries-of-concern/
So I love how the US 2nd amendment says that:
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
So most people ignore the well regulated militia and just skip on to the right of people to bear arms.
So the likes of Timothy McVeigh that was part of a militia group and carried out the terrorist attack in Oklahoma killing 169 people and injured a further 680.
So the first act of domestic terrorism is supported under the 2nd amendment?
The USA hasn't need a well regulated militia since the the French helped you remove the British and they took control of the lower states.
If your militia is well regulated,then aren't the people holding the guns well regulated,too?
@DanyarJaaldan this was written prior to the creation of the American military and militias. The constitution also states that government should create its own money,the federal reserve is a private company and "rents" the American government dollars at a profit. The fed is unconstitutional. You've banned beer. I know that's not in the constitution,but the founding fathers probably thought you weren't stupid.
Hungerford happened before this.
The sound on that video is all wrong - I've watched it before, and the sound was better than that...
It would be nice if you had decent Audio
The thing is your gun culture does not work, it has so many flaws, you have the right to open carry in many states, you have the right to have concealed with permit, you also have the right to carry when going fishing hunting and the likes,
yet, the minute an officer pulls you over for break light, asks do you have any weapons and you says yes, because your allowed in the car, the minute you move, chances are your not going home
i get the officer has to be safe, but in the UK our armed response are trained to put one bullet in, to disable bring you down, then first aid, if it needs a second bullet so be it, your officers, in the US empty 2 clips, why and that can be 3 officers, 30 rounds into a car, there got scared, through lack of training, shoot first, empty clip, cover it up, maybe law suit tax payers pay for, they dont give a shit
'Flaws', not 'floors'!
@@leec6707 thanks i will correct it, i dont see words and type like i used to, its brain thing, what i say what i type does not equate, i have to proof read everyhting things days, some times i cant believe what i have typed, applogies
Corrupt file
Can you elaborate please?
😢 That man whose only child, his little daughter...
who was one of the _15_ 5_year old boys and girls, _and_ _1_ _6_year old boy, & their teacher (who was shot, I think 16 times), whilst trying to protect two little girls, but who died laying with them both as they lay dying under the hail of bullets - fired by the 'scoutmaster', who had legally-owned weapons
...had previously also lost his wife to breast cancer, so was then robbed of both of his precious loves, his wife and their only child.
I remember watching the tv news about Dunblane... 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 💔.R.I.P.
Also, Hungerford ...and Whitehaven, both / each one involving a single gunman who rampaged through each of those towns, shooting people apparently indiscriminately, just going about their normal daily lives, before each one taking their own lives...
At least, one did at Hungerford,
(I dont remember if the police took down the one at Whitehaven, or not).
Whitehaven is in the North West county of _Cumbria_, and before this _horrid_ event, was a nice quiet little town...
I think Hungerford might be in the
'Home Counties', (or, the Midlands), I never remember where Hungerford is. 😐
Hungerford is in the county of Berkshire and is about 60 miles due west from the centre of London. 🙂
@@andypandy9013
Thank-you... I _thought_ it was in Berkshire, but wasn't sure, so I thought _someone_ will comment with the right county, if I said I couldn't recall the right one. Thanks again.
@@brigidsingleton1596
My pleasure. 😃
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Hungerford is why we have 999 and why automatic weapons where banned