Just cut to the chase and accept the fact that we have no other choice but to live in the ecology instead of next to it because our next to is getting bigger than the web of life and we can’t survive this
Generally missing consciously or unconsciously in every similar presentation on this topic is population growth. Every year 80 million net new precious humans join the 8 billion here. 10 New York City's must come into being every year. Food water air clothing housing healthcare education transportation for each. In addition those already here must have their share. Underlying systems must be maintained upgraded.
yes,its amazing that so called smart people like elon musk think we dont have enough people and clowns doing ted talks that there is no problem that the world can support 10 billion people,wait till these developing countries want all the goodies like cars and such,where are all these resources going to come from mars? we are doomed cutting our emissions by 50% by 2050 is a joke
@@richardconnelly7141 care to present your own well-considered comprehensive superior solution ? Surely someone even smarter than all the "so called" smart people must have come up with a few napkin sketches by now ?
that anal-ogy is non-sensical NYC is hardly an optimal model for human settlement - particularly for people living pretty much everywhere else on earth While population is indeed a factor, it is not a controllable variable and ought not be used as an excuse for inaction - along with China India, "my back hurts" etc your premise that every presentation lead with population is specious there is a concept called "focus" so, how about you present your imagined "solution" to the population problem which would then permit discussion of some of the ways of dealing with the other phenomena ?
We can already see reductions in real growth, since the current economy is propped up by debt, a vast global plunder of resources, and ongoing ecological destruction. Debt is a demand on future energy and material resources, and the debt keeps growing as the resource base is depleted. This implies limits and declines. Keep in mind, some 10 million people starve to death every year, and some 1-billion do not have access to clean water or necessary nutrition. The rich getting richer is not a sign that everything is fine.
"can already see reductions in real growth," Really? If you visit nations like India, China, Egypt, Iran, Indonesia, etc you will see massive desire and investment to grow - while destroying vast ecosystems, rivers, lakes, mountains and grasslands. India itself holds 1/9th of the world's population - and has clearly reached a state of overshoot - let's see when and how the collapse begins. What you refer to "debt" is about 5000 years in the making. From the Chinese to the Romans to the Indians and beyond. How does one erase that? and money and slavery (the other two cousins of debt)
Data proves that poverty across the globe is in decline. Economic growth is what provides people with "access to clean water or necessary nutrition". In fact humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history. In modern economics debt is also an asset. It can be purchased and sold. There is nothing wrong with debt unless it is, like many tools, used irresponsibly. The use of debt can build wealth and prosperity.
@@anthonymorris5084 So all water resources , soil ,all other easily available resources that are near the end of exhaustion , the fastest rising temperatures this planet has ever experienced is doing better than ever ? Poverty also is not in decline . Starvation is on the rise again and will get much worse . `Data ` proves it !!! lol As for safer , the world has never spent so much on weapons of destruction ...
@@MyKharli There will never be a water shortage on this planet. We have desalination technology. Water is an energy issue. The Israeli's have been turning deserts into farmland since the 1960's. They lead the world in desalination technology. The entire water supply for Aruba comes from desalination. Your prophecy of resource depletion is unfounded. Why is there nothing ever said from environmental groups about over population? Over population is the fundamental problem with almost every single issue facing humanity. A warming planet is a net positive for humanity. The greatest diversity of life exists in the tropics not Greenland. History proves that life flourishes under warming. When Co2 levels were at their highest the planet was covered in jungles all the way to the Arctic circle. You are clearly not citing any data. The evidence is overwhelming. From longevity, infant mortality, access to clean water and electricity, nutrition rates, war and conflict, quality of life, health care, leisure time, education, death tolls from natural disasters, poverty rates and on and on, all consistently improving with each decade. You are simply refusing to acknowledge anything that ruins your narrative.
everyone raised their hands up on sustainability - however ignoring the biophysical limits of the earth. When this amazing book was written, the biophysical limit was more or less same as it is today. Overshoot always leads to Collapse. Not just now, but thousands of times, for thousands of years now. Be it wolves or birds or us. End of Story.
If you liked this, check out the podcast Breaking Down: Collapse. They break down different factors in the first 8 episodes in a very down to earth way.
At 20:39, the talk about how consumption/extraction-centered economies are unfulfilling reminds me of Robin Wall Kimmerer's calls for economics of reciprocity, and Kate Raworth's Donut economics. Economic growth that does not correspond with workers thriving socially, financially, and physically, is so much more wrong and unnecessary than simply "unsustainable". Furthermore, even if the wealth produced by our current economies was better distributed among the population, the scale and intensity of production/extraction is harmful to ecosystems and indigenous sovereignty alike. We need a paradigm shift.
As Gaya says in the video, if we don’t make the change the system will do it for us. If the model is right that means we will start to see reductions in prosperity any time now…
@@RexWeylerMusic Data clearly shows that poverty rates across the globe are falling. Global GDP continues to grow. Debt is an economic tool that generates wealth and prosperity.
We either get poorer and poorer with the depletion of natural ressources or by living like extreme minimalists. We should focus much more on population and acknowledge that a detached home is the quintessence in terms of housing and living in abundance. The same logic applies to the fastest, most convenient method of transportation giving us endless possibilities, the automobile. High standards of living, independence and freedom are non-negotiable.
We have actually been quite successful in lowering fertility in the developed world to about 1.6 births per woman. Keep in mind this is largely kept afloat by immigrants who are brought in that have higher fertility rates to supplement the falling fertility of modern women in order to ensure that wages don’t skyrocket and the tax base doesn’t collapse. All that’s left to do is lower fertility in the developing world to 1.6 births per woman, and we will be about halfway there. Can’t raise the death rate unfortunately without raising some eyebrows.
There is no such thing as an environmental professional, if there were the environment would not be in the state its in. Put down the books exit the colleges pick up the seeds and get planting. Less yapping and a lot more simple symbiotic actions each day that collectively compound to create beneficial change. Example each day I walk my dogs I plant a tree, and collect seeds if the season permits. I also have no kids and live as sustainably as is possible in the west, I'm just 1 person but 1billion people doing this each day......
8 billion and 240,000 new babies a day ! Mother Earth thinks WE are a virus.
were a plague
I agree whole heartedly with the speakers, Sandy and Gaia…
Just cut to the chase and accept the fact that we have no other choice but to live in the ecology instead of next to it because our next to is getting bigger than the web of life and we can’t survive this
Generally missing consciously or unconsciously in every similar presentation on this topic is population growth. Every year 80 million net new precious humans join the 8 billion here. 10 New York City's must come into being every year. Food water air clothing housing healthcare education transportation for each. In addition those already here must have their share. Underlying systems must be maintained upgraded.
yes,its amazing that so called smart people like elon musk think we dont have enough people and clowns doing ted talks that there is no problem that the world can support 10 billion people,wait till these developing countries want all the goodies like cars and such,where are all these resources going to come from mars? we are doomed cutting our emissions by 50% by 2050 is a joke
@@richardconnelly7141 care to present your own well-considered comprehensive superior solution ? Surely someone even smarter than all the "so called" smart people must have come up with a few napkin sketches by now ?
that anal-ogy is non-sensical
NYC is hardly an optimal model for human settlement - particularly for people living pretty much everywhere else on earth
While population is indeed a factor, it is not a controllable variable and ought not be used as an excuse for inaction - along with China India, "my back hurts" etc
your premise that every presentation lead with population is specious
there is a concept called "focus"
so, how about you present your imagined "solution" to the population problem
which would then permit discussion of some of the ways of dealing with the other
phenomena ?
That which cannot continue will not continue.
That by far is the most annoying introductions ever
humanety is finiched
God's leadership of free will kingdom in world provides substantive choice for needed organization of peoples and nations
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What ?
We can already see reductions in real growth, since the current economy is propped up by debt, a vast global plunder of resources, and ongoing ecological destruction. Debt is a demand on future energy and material resources, and the debt keeps growing as the resource base is depleted. This implies limits and declines. Keep in mind, some 10 million people starve to death every year, and some 1-billion do not have access to clean water or necessary nutrition. The rich getting richer is not a sign that everything is fine.
Reductions in politicians actual actions verses rhetoric , its like its still in the `awkward leave till later pile `
"can already see reductions in real growth," Really?
If you visit nations like India, China, Egypt, Iran, Indonesia, etc you will see massive desire and investment to grow - while destroying vast ecosystems, rivers, lakes, mountains and grasslands. India itself holds 1/9th of the world's population - and has clearly reached a state of overshoot - let's see when and how the collapse begins. What you refer to "debt" is about 5000 years in the making. From the Chinese to the Romans to the Indians and beyond. How does one erase that? and money and slavery (the other two cousins of debt)
Data proves that poverty across the globe is in decline. Economic growth is what provides people with "access to clean water or necessary nutrition". In fact humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history. In modern economics debt is also an asset. It can be purchased and sold. There is nothing wrong with debt unless it is, like many tools, used irresponsibly. The use of debt can build wealth and prosperity.
@@anthonymorris5084 So all water resources , soil ,all other easily available resources that are near the end of exhaustion , the fastest rising temperatures this planet has ever experienced is doing better than ever ? Poverty also is not in decline . Starvation is on the rise again and will get much worse . `Data ` proves it !!! lol As for safer , the world has never spent so much on weapons of destruction ...
@@MyKharli There will never be a water shortage on this planet. We have desalination technology. Water is an energy issue. The Israeli's have been turning deserts into farmland since the 1960's. They lead the world in desalination technology. The entire water supply for Aruba comes from desalination.
Your prophecy of resource depletion is unfounded. Why is there nothing ever said from environmental groups about over population? Over population is the fundamental problem with almost every single issue facing humanity.
A warming planet is a net positive for humanity. The greatest diversity of life exists in the tropics not Greenland. History proves that life flourishes under warming. When Co2 levels were at their highest the planet was covered in jungles all the way to the Arctic circle.
You are clearly not citing any data. The evidence is overwhelming. From longevity, infant mortality, access to clean water and electricity, nutrition rates, war and conflict, quality of life, health care, leisure time, education, death tolls from natural disasters, poverty rates and on and on, all consistently improving with each decade. You are simply refusing to acknowledge anything that ruins your narrative.
everyone raised their hands up on sustainability - however ignoring the biophysical limits of the earth. When this amazing book was written, the biophysical limit was more or less same as it is today. Overshoot always leads to Collapse. Not just now, but thousands of times, for thousands of years now. Be it wolves or birds or us. End of Story.
If you liked this, check out the podcast Breaking Down: Collapse. They break down different factors in the first 8 episodes in a very down to earth way.
At 20:39, the talk about how consumption/extraction-centered economies are unfulfilling reminds me of Robin Wall Kimmerer's calls for economics of reciprocity, and Kate Raworth's Donut economics. Economic growth that does not correspond with workers thriving socially, financially, and physically, is so much more wrong and unnecessary than simply "unsustainable". Furthermore, even if the wealth produced by our current economies was better distributed among the population, the scale and intensity of production/extraction is harmful to ecosystems and indigenous sovereignty alike. We need a paradigm shift.
As Gaya says in the video, if we don’t make the change the system will do it for us. If the model is right that means we will start to see reductions in prosperity any time now…
Havent we? :(
Yes, we are already seeing reductions in prosperity and real growth. The current economy is propped up by debt and additional ecological destruction.
@@RexWeylerMusic Data clearly shows that poverty rates across the globe are falling. Global GDP continues to grow. Debt is an economic tool that generates wealth and prosperity.
Game over
Read David Greaber's Bullshit Jobs. This fits to what was said at 1:00 mark
We either get poorer and poorer with the depletion of natural ressources or by living like extreme minimalists. We should focus much more on population and acknowledge that a detached home is the quintessence in terms of housing and living in abundance. The same logic applies to the fastest, most convenient method of transportation giving us endless possibilities, the automobile. High standards of living, independence and freedom are non-negotiable.
I'll I can see is the Nov. 16 replay. Where is the livestream?
We have actually been quite successful in lowering fertility in the developed world to about 1.6 births per woman. Keep in mind this is largely kept afloat by immigrants who are brought in that have higher fertility rates to supplement the falling fertility of modern women in order to ensure that wages don’t skyrocket and the tax base doesn’t collapse. All that’s left to do is lower fertility in the developing world to 1.6 births per woman, and we will be about halfway there. Can’t raise the death rate unfortunately without raising some eyebrows.
Begins 5:45
There is no such thing as an environmental professional, if there were the environment would not be in the state its in. Put down the books exit the colleges pick up the seeds and get planting. Less yapping and a lot more simple symbiotic actions each day that collectively compound to create beneficial change. Example each day I walk my dogs I plant a tree, and collect seeds if the season permits. I also have no kids and live as sustainably as is possible in the west, I'm just 1 person but 1billion people doing this each day......
This is great content thx a lot !☺️😊
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