I've been acquiring the three f1.2 PRO lenses on the used market over the last 6 months. They are fantastic. A "like new" used copy can be bought for 1/2 the new price. I have all the f1.8 prime lenses, they are great for going small and light, but I like the extra speed, weather sealing, manual focus clutch, and function button on the f1.2 PRO lenses. Really EXCELLENT stuff.
Funny, that could have been my comment. I also acquired the three Pro 1.2 lenses on the used market during the last 6 months, for about 1/2 their original price. And yes they can deliver fantastic results. I also own several of the 1.8 primes, and although they are also very good (and perhaps with their small size do more justice to the original M43 philosophy) the Pro lenses in some situations just are a level above them. The quality of the bokeh, the rendering of the out of focus areas is fantastic. Compared to FF alternatives perhaps the DOF is not thát shallow - but the quality of the bokeh and overall rendering is definitely as good or better than most of the FF-lenses around there. (For example wimg on the m43 users forum who shoots with M43 gear and CanonFF gear notes that the 25 1.2 has the best rendering of allmost all of the lenses he ever used during his career - ‘perhaps even surpassing his canon50L and 85L lenses’). This is one of the few lenses which is capable of a non-digital look without being overly “character-full”
From an owner of both Panny 25mm F1.4 and Oly 25mm F1.2, the advantages of weather-sealing, manual clutch, and much faster AF speed(especially in low light) are worth the extra $$$. Expensive? YES! So does Zeiss Loxia 50mm F2 (a $950 manual lens). Think about it~
Yeah, I don't disagree. If you are a casual shooter it may not be worth your money, but if you need those features for a career. it's definitely worth it
I understand. ^_^ I was just trying to give an example of a weather-sealed quality glass such as the Loxia 50mm F2(manual) compared to Sony's own 50mm F1.8(auto). Even it's a manual lens. But with the weather sealing ability and higher quality build, the Loxia carries a higher price tag. Cheers~~
This is a fantastic lens and I was looking to buy it. Instead I put the money on a 25mm 1.8 and the 75mm 1.8 Oly lenses for my PEN F. Very happy with both lenses and the 25mm actually was much better than i was expecting. Great little lens.
The main point with that lens is not the depth of field. It is great, yeah, but the main point of that lens when compared to the 1.8 is the sharpness and quality all around the photo. It's a lens that you can use for many things, like landscapes, and the extra sharpness, specially at the contour of the photo, is outstanding.
@@TheCameraProject Thank you for clarifying this, as I am reconsidering acquiring this lens for my Lumix G85 due to concerns from some photographers about a DFD issue.
The lens optically seems fine , but if you value ergonomics I'm not sure on a EM5 M2 anyway. The Olympus 7-14 f2.8 pro for example I found rather front heavy on that body . How did you find the ergonomics, balance of that combo? While maybe not it's main purpose , but if that lens was on how might it fare for close food photography, for the stereotypical tourist?
bobbintonn I use a third party grip on my em5-2. It's not idea but it works ok with that on and you get used to it pretty quickly. See our em5-2 review for our thoughts on ergonomics. I think it would be great for food photography but not that great to carry around as a tourist.
My main reasons behind going for MFT is that smaller sensors inherently give smaller, cheaper, lenses without necessarily impacting optical quality, which then allows you to opt for a broader range of primes - which in turn helps negate the ISO and dof limitations of the system, as well as offer better optical performance compared to zooms. Throw in two people sharing the same system, with two different bodies, then you have the best size, price, performance, versatility and lens choice of any system out there. In my opinion this lens simply didn't out perform the other 1.4/1.7/1.8/ pany/oly offerings in terms of sharpness to warrant the size and price that it's max 1.2 aperture demands. But the bokeh! Surely anything for the Bokeh! Just use longer lenses, focus closer and physically separate the background a little more! Or go for the voitlander. Otherwise all you'll achieve is to flood the used market with your old lenses to the point where I'll be tempted to acquire another bargain! I do envy the weather sealing though.
Hi ! First of all, thanks for your video. I remarked something during comparison btw the two lenses that surprised me a lot. The speed is higher for 25mm1.8 than for 25mm 1.2 in same condition (aperture & iso)...do you know why ?
Franck Bouillot we actually asked Olympus during the review and they didn’t really have a good answer for us. Our only theory was the lens was new and firmware needed to be updated.
For me the only thing between these two lenses is the weather seal. But as I have literally just received my em5 mkii this morning (my first weather proof camera) could someone tell me how effective weather sealing actually is? Could I get the 1.8 and still shoot in the rain?
I've shot with the 17 1.8 in the rain a bunch and never had any issues. I don't let it get drenched. I mean a drizzle not a downpour, and I wipe it off after. Obviously, it isn't spec'ed for it, so do it with caution, but you'll probably be ok, and can 2 or 3 lenses for the price of 1. If you shoot in a lot of rain, all the time, then I'd go for the 1.2, if its occasional, the 1.8 is probably ok.
Now m43 is very spoilt for choice with this lens, the 45mm f/1.8 and the 75mm f/1.8. Thanks for the review, always very detailed, intelligent and witty :)
antant06 well very different price ranges there. I own the 45 and it's tiny and a nice portrait lens. The 75 would certainly be the best portrait in terms of compression and shallow dof but also require much more distance from subject.
Underwhelming in what exactly? It ticks all requirements of a great prime lens. Only problem is that people are totally fooled by UA-cam channels and hosts who have no darn idea what too look in lens quality when evaluating prime lenses. because their perception is distorted by billions of images coming out of zooms. This lens is about 4x better than 25/1.8, and as good as any Leica lens. Incredible value.
Yeah, the panasonic would be interesting comparison. I don't own either of those, and the voigtlander, isn't autofocus. Its definitely bigger and heavier than the panasonic, but also felt fast at focusing to me.
I never liked the limited background defocus on the 25 1.8 for my portrait work and this lens is really only marginally better. However my 45 1.8 is really cool, so I think I will wait for the 45 1.2 That said I am sorely tempted to purchase Sony A7 mk2 now that the price on the EM1 mk2 is so atmospheric
I'd say go for 25/1.2 if you want the very best and don't mind the price and size. Otherwise 25/1.8 (or 25/1.7) makes much more sense. And if you want more control over DoF, buy a second hand larger format camera just for that, it should cost less than 25/1.2 including a normal 50mm lens.
What a lovely subject! :-) also, I'm interested why you didn't compare between the different lenses rather than adjusting the aperture on the same lens?
Yeah more noticeable in higher resolution not sure the price and size justify buying the 1.2 over the 1.8 , then again ya pay for quality and fast that's the way it is .
bokeh can be very subjective anyway, colour, dynamic range and sharpness in centre are the most important factors. I don't think it's worth the cash they are asking.
We are showing how the difference in depth of field and iso will effect your image. The point being if you are ok with dof from a 1.8 lens you can save a lot of money buying that lens. Later in the video we do compare to that lens as well.
thanx sooooo much for this review! What I think now - for me it's no sens to pay x3 price for this little difference of bokeh! :) but, who needs this difference - needs 1.2 as well )) peace!
I am still confusr between choosing for 17mm and 25mm pro lens.. i know they are two difference lens... but they both performed very good.. i like to travelling anyone can help me choose these lens ?
It is the difference between a full frame 35mm and 50mm (17 and 25). I’d say for travel the 17mm is more versatile. The 25 will be a little too close for a lot of things. The 25 would be better for portraits though.
Nice review, thanks a lot. Strange that the 1.2 photos come out darker. I wonder if the lens is exposure vise more like a 1.4. All in all I don t regret my latest change to Sony A7 with 50mm fe 1.8 (=0.9) Greetings, Hagen
This was also a preproduction lens from olympus so that could be the issue as well. Or it had something to do with the 1/6th stop difference, and only being able to adjust other parameters by 1/3 stop increments... but not sure. How do you find the 50 1.8, haven't heard great things, though we loved the 55 1.8.
No, we were doing tests on how ISO performs and the difference at ISO between 1.8 and 1.2, we were simulating as if the light was lower than it was to see the ISO difference.
Nice comparison for general use. Wrong target market for the f1.2 lens tho. If you don't intend on doing headshots or tight half portraits with f1.2 you lost half of it's appeal or have a dedicated special use. Not some zoomed out environmental tourists pics. There is some working stiff out there talking headshots with light modifiers and strobes in different conditions hours a day that will find this lens is features a worthy lens to add to their camera bag. Or some photo enthusiast photographer that can't take enough headshots of his family, friends and people.
I do agree, that would be a good use case, though this isn't your standard portrait lens at only 50mm equivalent. Something like the panasonc 45 1.2 is probably more suited for that.
I use M43 as my main kit but this is just over priced. You could do the either the Lumix 25mm 1.7 or Zuiko 25mm 1.8 for less cash and get a second hand Zuiko 75mm 1.8 which is crazy sharp. Plus you lose the size and weight benefits, I would consider getting a second hand DSLR with a 50mm 1.8.
I agree with most of the comments here. Is this lens performing at $1200 absolutely not! But this video makes me feel great because my 1.8 stands up excellently against the 1.2. Thanks for all of your efforts to make me feel great about my 1.8 that I paid about $250 for on the used market.
Like you can tell from a compressed UA-cam video. LOL. And you lose the metal build, weather sealing, manual focus clutch, fn button, faster AF, over a stop of light, and the better bokeh. But do enjoy your f1.8. I own both, and sometimes smaller and lighter is the right choice.
You could get a used Canon 6D with a 50mm 1.8 STM for that price. Shallower depth of field at the same price point (the Olympus has the same depth of field as a 50mm 2.4 on a full frame camera). Also, you'd get way, way, way better image quality, just because the 6D has much better image quality compared with any MFT camera. and because the Canon plastic fantastic performs beautifully for the price.
TheCameraProject any info when lx200 and gx9 gonna release this month? If between lx200 and x100f, which you suggest for first camera and only camera you have for long to take anywhere and learn photography from it?
NETVO TV no info unfortunately. I’d say it all depends on what the lx200 has and if there is one. I usually jive a bit more with the Panasonic menus and style of work as well as better video features. So my gut says that but the x100f will give you great images and better low light would be my guess. So I’d say it depends on what u shoot. Let me know what type of stuff you envision shooting and maybe get back when and if lx200 is announced.
TheCameraProject ok thanks, I just want a camera that I can take anywhere, able to P&S and manual shoot when I want to, able to learn photography until I able to use it to shoot like a pro and without need to buy another camera for long, will use for travel, indoor, product shoot, could be use for UA-cam video but not a must since I can use my phone too X100F has ND and hybrid VF to play and learn, more like a real retro film camera than pana LX100 has zoom and bright and sharper lens, better video But I not sure which has better feeling and connection you will get, photo both should be great so handling and feeling are important to me, I want it to be inspiring me to take it out instead put it on shelf Also, is fixed lens camera as first camera and use for long is good choice? I know lenses provide better quality and creativity but get more means more budget and even after I earned a lot I still got a lot stuffs outside of photography want to buy too
My gut says that the lx100 successor would be more versatile. If they do a higher megapixel, more like 16 or 20, it should really be a very versatile camera. Probably great 4k video as well, a fast aperture zoom lens will be able to assist you in more genre's than a fixed would. I often keep a prime lens on my camera, but when the situation calls for it, I switch to a zoom, and certainly for travel or landscape, I like to have a zoom on for the most part. It has manual aperture, focus, and shutter speed rings, so you are still getting that old school control that the x100f would have. I do love the images from the x100 series, and haven't shot with the lx200, but if it were me, recommending or buying one of these cameras, I'd probably go lx100 successor, if they could get the megapixels a bit higher.
...From my perspective, the lens is not what it should be. F1.2 is to conservative, they should have gone for a F0.95. Like Alison, I use Sony, too. I just put on a the 50mm F1.8 an have more feeling in the pics, than I can get it from the Olympus. With a 0.95 they would give the use the possibility to get in touch with a standard 50mm F1.8 FF. For my E-M5 I use the PanLeica 25mm F1.4 for around 450€, it's placed perfectly in the middel so I don't understand this 25mm F1.2...
Actually, Alison was borrowing that Sony, but point taken. Yeah, its a hard line between size, weight, speed, and shallow dof. .95 would have been nice, but how big and heavy would the lens have been then?
Benjamin Jehne Olympus had the patents for f/1.0 for these. but they went to f/1.2 design as half a stop lowered the weight by 33% and size by 36%. so you would have wanted that as f/0.95? for what? negligent difference so important to get price be 2x higher?
...Sorry but thats not right. you can build smaller lenses, but you have to live with compromises. I would live with them, other buyers not. I don't need pefect edges at f1.2 or 0.95. Also vignetting is no probblem for me. For me, it represents the character of a lens. those new lenses are losing more and more any character. I don't need lenses to take pictures of test charts, I want lenses with their very own flavour. and the answer for what I want f0.95, I want the look of a 50mm F1.8 FF, as I wrote before. Nothing miracle...
Benjamin Jehne That is what Olympus said. They didn't want to make heavier and larger with a benefit ratio being so bad. As their design philosophy is still a small and light setup. And for optical performance, you don't want high quality, there are lots of others to choose from. I like to use a legacy lenses but problem is to find a nice WA/UWA as basically widest rectilinear you get cheaply is around 23-24mm and 18mm would be nice but not for the few hundred price. Still the Olympus idea to make f/1.2 even is questionable as f/1.8 and f/1.4 ain't so different.
...There are just manuel lenses, in the 0.95 region, so there is nothing to choose from, if you had to work with those lenses. But thats something we don't have to argue. I bought the Sony and the needed lenses and now I don't have the problem anymore. It's now a slow bye bye from Olympus...
wont be hard to find raw/jpeg samples around later on, no worries. What is interesting to me is that pana 25 .4 has a pretty decent design by Sigma with a size/aperture balance (the sigma 30mm f1.4 with the same lens design is significantly larger) , it seems to fit between the 25 1.2 and 25 1.8, so could be interesting.
well.. i don't know about 1/4 of the price. If you buy used it might be possible. As for better quality... I wouldn't say that either. More shallow depth of field. Yes. Perhaps better dynamic range. May not be nearly as sharp though or as good optically from a cheap lens.
I've been acquiring the three f1.2 PRO lenses on the used market over the last 6 months. They are fantastic. A "like new" used copy can be bought for 1/2 the new price.
I have all the f1.8 prime lenses, they are great for going small and light, but I like the extra speed, weather sealing, manual focus clutch, and function button on the f1.2 PRO lenses. Really EXCELLENT stuff.
Funny, that could have been my comment. I also acquired the three Pro 1.2 lenses on the used market during the last 6 months, for about 1/2 their original price. And yes they can deliver fantastic results. I also own several of the 1.8 primes, and although they are also very good (and perhaps with their small size do more justice to the original M43 philosophy) the Pro lenses in some situations just are a level above them. The quality of the bokeh, the rendering of the out of focus areas is fantastic. Compared to FF alternatives perhaps the DOF is not thát shallow - but the quality of the bokeh and overall rendering is definitely as good or better than most of the FF-lenses around there. (For example wimg on the m43 users forum who shoots with M43 gear and CanonFF gear notes that the 25 1.2 has the best rendering of allmost all of the lenses he ever used during his career - ‘perhaps even surpassing his canon50L and 85L lenses’). This is one of the few lenses which is capable of a non-digital look without being overly “character-full”
From an owner of both Panny 25mm F1.4 and Oly 25mm F1.2, the advantages of weather-sealing, manual clutch, and much faster AF speed(especially in low light) are worth the extra $$$. Expensive? YES! So does Zeiss Loxia 50mm F2 (a $950 manual lens). Think about it~
Yeah, I don't disagree. If you are a casual shooter it may not be worth your money, but if you need those features for a career. it's definitely worth it
I understand. ^_^
I was just trying to give an example of a weather-sealed quality glass such as the Loxia 50mm F2(manual) compared to Sony's own 50mm F1.8(auto). Even it's a manual lens. But with the weather sealing ability and higher quality build, the Loxia carries a higher price tag.
Cheers~~
@@AIP404 full frame is bigger than medium format? If size is all that matters, your wife would have left you for the garbage man looool
@@michaelyu4164 man. You've convinced me to get the 25mm pro
I'm curious to see comparison with Pana-Leica 25mm f/1.4.
which one would you recomend?
Bagus SW I’m shooting with the Olympus lens and I love it. I don’t have experience with the Panasonic lens.
This is a fantastic lens and I was looking to buy it. Instead I put the money on a 25mm 1.8 and the 75mm 1.8 Oly lenses for my PEN F. Very happy with both lenses and the 25mm actually was much better than i was expecting. Great little lens.
Nice work guys! Hope to see more videos from you.
Nice in depth look at the 25mm 1.2 I hope they continue with this line and release a 45mm 1.2 pro.
Finally a great, relevant review with discussion on what matters, not the clutch and weather sealing constantly in other reviews. Well done!
Some of those final shots were very impressive, im sure the gap from the panasonic/leica 25 1.4 would even be closer again
I have heard that using pana lens on olympus have slower focus, especially can tell when u are shooting videos.
A great review. Hope you can do more lens comparisons in the future.
Thanks! Any in particular that you'd like to see?
moderate wide angles and short teles (portrait) would be appreciated.
The main point with that lens is not the depth of field. It is great, yeah, but the main point of that lens when compared to the 1.8 is the sharpness and quality all around the photo. It's a lens that you can use for many things, like landscapes, and the extra sharpness, specially at the contour of the photo, is outstanding.
great video. A great style of comparing. Really helping to see, what the difference really is! Keep it up!
Will this lens work with the Lumix G85 without any issues?
Yes it should be fine with that body
@@TheCameraProject Thank you for clarifying this, as I am reconsidering acquiring this lens for my Lumix G85 due to concerns from some photographers about a DFD issue.
The tone color of 25mm f1.2 just like the 75mm f1.8 😍
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saya pili 75mm 1.8 + 17 1.8 ahhahaha...
lho ada akun youtube juga om hahaha. Klo saya mah cukup 75mm ajah. 25 ud ada panaleica hihihihi
The lens optically seems fine , but if you value ergonomics I'm not sure on a EM5 M2 anyway. The Olympus 7-14 f2.8 pro for example I found rather front heavy on that body . How did you find the ergonomics, balance of that combo? While maybe not it's main purpose , but if that lens was on how might it fare for close food photography, for the stereotypical tourist?
bobbintonn I use a third party grip on my em5-2. It's not idea but it works ok with that on and you get used to it pretty quickly. See our em5-2 review for our thoughts on ergonomics.
I think it would be great for food photography but not that great to carry around as a tourist.
My main reasons behind going for MFT is that smaller sensors inherently give smaller, cheaper, lenses without necessarily impacting optical quality, which then allows you to opt for a broader range of primes - which in turn helps negate the ISO and dof limitations of the system, as well as offer better optical performance compared to zooms. Throw in two people sharing the same system, with two different bodies, then you have the best size, price, performance, versatility and lens choice of any system out there. In my opinion this lens simply didn't out perform the other 1.4/1.7/1.8/ pany/oly offerings in terms of sharpness to warrant the size and price that it's max 1.2 aperture demands. But the bokeh! Surely anything for the Bokeh! Just use longer lenses, focus closer and physically separate the background a little more! Or go for the voitlander. Otherwise all you'll achieve is to flood the used market with your old lenses to the point where I'll be tempted to acquire another bargain! I do envy the weather sealing though.
the library is on 5th. not 6th. the park extends to 6th.
also, it's about 41st Street.
Thank you for this comparison.
Hi !
First of all, thanks for your video.
I remarked something during comparison btw the two lenses that surprised me a lot. The speed is higher for 25mm1.8 than for 25mm 1.2 in same condition (aperture & iso)...do you know why ?
Franck Bouillot do you mean the brightness?
@@TheCameraProject 1/400s (pro) vs 1/650s (premium) for the same iso and at 1.8 for both
Franck Bouillot we actually asked Olympus during the review and they didn’t really have a good answer for us. Our only theory was the lens was new and firmware needed to be updated.
@@TheCameraProject ouch ! Did you use the same camera for testing the two lenses ?
Franck Bouillot we did it both ways. We had 2. But also tried it on same camera
For me the only thing between these two lenses is the weather seal.
But as I have literally just received my em5 mkii this morning (my first weather proof camera) could someone tell me how effective weather sealing actually is? Could I get the 1.8 and still shoot in the rain?
I've shot with the 17 1.8 in the rain a bunch and never had any issues. I don't let it get drenched. I mean a drizzle not a downpour, and I wipe it off after. Obviously, it isn't spec'ed for it, so do it with caution, but you'll probably be ok, and can 2 or 3 lenses for the price of 1. If you shoot in a lot of rain, all the time, then I'd go for the 1.2, if its occasional, the 1.8 is probably ok.
okiedoke cheers for the quick response!
The 25 f1.8 is not weather sealed.
I really enjoyed this review.
Could this lens with the new Panasonic focusing system (GH7) be a true autofocus champion for weddings in 2024?
A bit of an underwhelming lens for the price to be honest. I know it will sell, but I wonder if it will sell well enough.
It's a very good lens, I think it's price and weight do limit it's audience though.
Now m43 is very spoilt for choice with this lens, the 45mm f/1.8 and the 75mm f/1.8.
Thanks for the review, always very detailed, intelligent and witty :)
antant06 well very different price ranges there. I own the 45 and it's tiny and a nice portrait lens. The 75 would certainly be the best portrait in terms of compression and shallow dof but also require much more distance from subject.
Not really.
Underwhelming in what exactly? It ticks all requirements of a great prime lens. Only problem is that people are totally fooled by UA-cam channels and hosts who have no darn idea what too look in lens quality when evaluating prime lenses. because their perception is distorted by billions of images coming out of zooms. This lens is about 4x better than 25/1.8, and as good as any Leica lens. Incredible value.
Great review Josh!!! But, no offence....
I came here for Alison!!! Truth!
haha, understood
Great review! Thank you!
good review but you should have compared it against the current best 25mm lenses, voigtlander, Panasonic leica f1.4
Yeah, the panasonic would be interesting comparison. I don't own either of those, and the voigtlander, isn't autofocus. Its definitely bigger and heavier than the panasonic, but also felt fast at focusing to me.
I never liked the limited background defocus on the 25 1.8 for my portrait work and this lens is really only marginally better. However my 45 1.8 is really cool, so I think I will wait for the 45 1.2
That said I am sorely tempted to purchase Sony A7 mk2 now that the price on the EM1 mk2 is so atmospheric
I'd say go for 25/1.2 if you want the very best and don't mind the price and size. Otherwise 25/1.8 (or 25/1.7) makes much more sense. And if you want more control over DoF, buy a second hand larger format camera just for that, it should cost less than 25/1.2 including a normal 50mm lens.
Just wanted to make Josh talking seem a little more interesting with some dynamic crash zooms. Is that so wrong!?
Fine review!
Thanks for your review, from Japan.
Omygosh...is Allison using a Baubax bomber jacket? I have one in men and love that jacket for traveling and in general.
I think I will just hold onto my F1.8 and use the blur tool in Photoshop/Lightroom !
Ray Wilson lol
Love this channel. But damn we need more uploads haha in a good way
What a lovely subject! :-) also, I'm interested why you didn't compare between the different lenses rather than adjusting the aperture on the same lens?
Gavin M we did do that too. Later on in the review
ah ha!! well I will have to watch it til the end. cheers!
Is it my eyes or do both lenses look exactly the same ?
We posted comparison stills here for you to check out at higher resolution: plus.google.com/+TheCameraProjectReviews/posts/iqyAfAEymxK
Yeah more noticeable in higher resolution not sure the price and size justify buying the 1.2 over the 1.8 , then again ya pay for quality and fast that's the way it is .
bokeh can be very subjective anyway, colour, dynamic range and sharpness in centre are the most important factors. I don't think it's worth the cash they are asking.
Is this a joke? You literally compared side to side the same 1.2 lens!
We are showing how the difference in depth of field and iso will effect your image. The point being if you are ok with dof from a 1.8 lens you can save a lot of money buying that lens. Later in the video we do compare to that lens as well.
Nice video but the focus at the beginning hurts
thanx sooooo much for this review! What I think now - for me it's no sens to pay x3 price for this little difference of bokeh! :) but, who needs this difference - needs 1.2 as well )) peace!
I use an Olympus O M 50mm 1.4 lens, fast enough and tack sharp even wide open.
That’s like a 100mm lens on mft, not comparable.
I am still confusr between choosing for 17mm and 25mm pro lens.. i know they are two difference lens... but they both performed very good.. i like to travelling anyone can help me choose these lens ?
It is the difference between a full frame 35mm and 50mm (17 and 25). I’d say for travel the 17mm is more versatile. The 25 will be a little too close for a lot of things. The 25 would be better for portraits though.
Nice review, thanks a lot.
Strange that the 1.2 photos come out darker. I wonder if the lens is exposure vise more like a 1.4.
All in all I don t regret my latest change to Sony A7 with 50mm fe 1.8 (=0.9)
Greetings, Hagen
This was also a preproduction lens from olympus so that could be the issue as well. Or it had something to do with the 1/6th stop difference, and only being able to adjust other parameters by 1/3 stop increments... but not sure.
How do you find the 50 1.8, haven't heard great things, though we loved the 55 1.8.
The Sony 50 f1.8 is a full stop slower lens, with nowhere near the build quality.
Shooting portraits of a still subject at 1/640s...and iso 6400. OOOOOOOOOK.
Guess you forgot to change the shutter speed when going indoors.
No, we were doing tests on how ISO performs and the difference at ISO between 1.8 and 1.2, we were simulating as if the light was lower than it was to see the ISO difference.
More detail in 1.8 but 1.2 is just as good
For the money, AND the size I`ll pick up f1.8 anyday and everyday
Nice comparison for general use. Wrong target market for the f1.2 lens tho. If you don't intend on doing headshots or tight half portraits with f1.2 you lost half of it's appeal or have a dedicated special use. Not some zoomed out environmental tourists pics. There is some working stiff out there talking headshots with light modifiers and strobes in different conditions hours a day that will find this lens is features a worthy lens to add to their camera bag. Or some photo enthusiast photographer that can't take enough headshots of his family, friends and people.
I do agree, that would be a good use case, though this isn't your standard portrait lens at only 50mm equivalent. Something like the panasonc 45 1.2 is probably more suited for that.
I use M43 as my main kit but this is just over priced. You could do the either the Lumix 25mm 1.7 or Zuiko 25mm 1.8 for less cash and get a second hand Zuiko 75mm 1.8 which is crazy sharp. Plus you lose the size and weight benefits, I would consider getting a second hand DSLR with a 50mm 1.8.
Pinhole lens is even cheaper. Or, why have a camera at all?; use a smartphone. But that is expensive too - use piece of paper and a pencil.
ahahaha
1.2 has more contrast hence better..
Question: How did you manage to switch lenses, set aperture and take the next photo within 1 or 2 seconds? I think you've played us all for fools?
Well, easy answer there, both Alison and I own Olympus EM-5II cameras, so 2 cameras, one with each lens!
@vici martynov why did you delete your comment?? Im ready to argue
I agree with most of the comments here. Is this lens performing at $1200 absolutely not!
But this video makes me feel great because my 1.8 stands up excellently against the 1.2.
Thanks for all of your efforts to make me feel great about my 1.8 that I paid about $250 for
on the used market.
Like you can tell from a compressed UA-cam video. LOL. And you lose the metal build, weather sealing, manual focus clutch, fn button, faster AF, over a stop of light, and the better bokeh.
But do enjoy your f1.8. I own both, and sometimes smaller and lighter is the right choice.
You could get a used Canon 6D with a 50mm 1.8 STM for that price. Shallower depth of field at the same price point (the Olympus has the same depth of field as a 50mm 2.4 on a full frame camera).
Also, you'd get way, way, way better image quality, just because the 6D has much better image quality compared with any MFT camera. and because the Canon plastic fantastic performs beautifully for the price.
In daylight you’d never notice a difference in most shots, and an f/1.8 lens on your FF will require a stop higher ISO for the same shutter speed.
No more new video ?
NETVO TV editing the latest review now. Stay tuned!
TheCameraProject any info when lx200 and gx9 gonna release this month? If between lx200 and x100f, which you suggest for first camera and only camera you have for long to take anywhere and learn photography from it?
NETVO TV no info unfortunately. I’d say it all depends on what the lx200 has and if there is one. I usually jive a bit more with the Panasonic menus and style of work as well as better video features. So my gut says that but the x100f will give you great images and better low light would be my guess. So I’d say it depends on what u shoot. Let me know what type of stuff you envision shooting and maybe get back when and if lx200 is announced.
TheCameraProject ok thanks, I just want a camera that I can take anywhere, able to P&S and manual shoot when I want to, able to learn photography until I able to use it to shoot like a pro and without need to buy another camera for long, will use for travel, indoor, product shoot, could be use for UA-cam video but not a must since I can use my phone too
X100F has ND and hybrid VF to play and learn, more like a real retro film camera than pana
LX100 has zoom and bright and sharper lens, better video
But I not sure which has better feeling and connection you will get, photo both should be great so handling and feeling are important to me, I want it to be inspiring me to take it out instead put it on shelf
Also, is fixed lens camera as first camera and use for long is good choice? I know lenses provide better quality and creativity but get more means more budget and even after I earned a lot I still got a lot stuffs outside of photography want to buy too
My gut says that the lx100 successor would be more versatile. If they do a higher megapixel, more like 16 or 20, it should really be a very versatile camera. Probably great 4k video as well, a fast aperture zoom lens will be able to assist you in more genre's than a fixed would. I often keep a prime lens on my camera, but when the situation calls for it, I switch to a zoom, and certainly for travel or landscape, I like to have a zoom on for the most part. It has manual aperture, focus, and shutter speed rings, so you are still getting that old school control that the x100f would have. I do love the images from the x100 series, and haven't shot with the lx200, but if it were me, recommending or buying one of these cameras, I'd probably go lx100 successor, if they could get the megapixels a bit higher.
...From my perspective, the lens is not what it should be. F1.2 is to conservative, they should have gone for a F0.95. Like Alison, I use Sony, too. I just put on a the 50mm F1.8 an have more feeling in the pics, than I can get it from the Olympus. With a 0.95 they would give the use the possibility to get in touch with a standard 50mm F1.8 FF. For my E-M5 I use the PanLeica 25mm F1.4 for around 450€, it's placed perfectly in the middel so I don't understand this 25mm F1.2...
Actually, Alison was borrowing that Sony, but point taken. Yeah, its a hard line between size, weight, speed, and shallow dof. .95 would have been nice, but how big and heavy would the lens have been then?
Benjamin Jehne
Olympus had the patents for f/1.0 for these. but they went to f/1.2 design as half a stop lowered the weight by 33% and size by 36%.
so you would have wanted that as f/0.95? for what? negligent difference so important to get price be 2x higher?
...Sorry but thats not right. you can build smaller lenses, but you have to live with compromises. I would live with them, other buyers not. I don't need pefect edges at f1.2 or 0.95. Also vignetting is no probblem for me. For me, it represents the character of a lens. those new lenses are losing more and more any character. I don't need lenses to take pictures of test charts, I want lenses with their very own flavour.
and the answer for what I want f0.95, I want the look of a 50mm F1.8 FF, as I wrote before. Nothing miracle...
Benjamin Jehne That is what Olympus said. They didn't want to make heavier and larger with a benefit ratio being so bad. As their design philosophy is still a small and light setup.
And for optical performance, you don't want high quality, there are lots of others to choose from.
I like to use a legacy lenses but problem is to find a nice WA/UWA as basically widest rectilinear you get cheaply is around 23-24mm and 18mm would be nice but not for the few hundred price.
Still the Olympus idea to make f/1.2 even is questionable as f/1.8 and f/1.4 ain't so different.
...There are just manuel lenses, in the 0.95 region, so there is nothing to choose from, if you had to work with those lenses. But thats something we don't have to argue.
I bought the Sony and the needed lenses and now I don't have the problem anymore. It's now a slow bye bye from Olympus...
A case of the viewer seeing much more than is real - the emperors new clothes syndrome methinks!
microcontrast is much better on the 1.2.
that said, I don't think it justifies the price.
For me 25mm f1.8 as a normal lens is just ...too normal, things could be more interesting comparing the 1.2 with dg25
XY Zhou dg25?
TheCameraProject aha I meant the pana leica 25mm f1.4, dg25 is like a nickname of the lens in China, got typing it as a habit
XY Zhou yeah we got the samples courtesy of Olympus so weren't able to have that at the same time but it would have been nice.
wont be hard to find raw/jpeg samples around later on, no worries. What is interesting to me is that pana 25 .4 has a pretty decent design by Sigma with a size/aperture balance (the sigma 30mm f1.4 with the same lens design is significantly larger) , it seems to fit between the 25 1.2 and 25 1.8, so could be interesting.
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1100£for 1.2 and 199£ for 1.8 900£ price difference I don't see point of throwing all this money away
I wouldn't say it's AS sharp, but it is certainly good as well!
Then stick to your shitty McMac
super bad comparison/video!
Just dump Olympus and get a cheap 50 F1.8 on a full frame sensor = better result at quarter of price
well.. i don't know about 1/4 of the price. If you buy used it might be possible. As for better quality... I wouldn't say that either. More shallow depth of field. Yes. Perhaps better dynamic range. May not be nearly as sharp though or as good optically from a cheap lens.
f/1.8 is not comparable to f/1.2 obviously.
You’ll have to shoot your FF camera at a stop higher ISO for the same shutter speed.
Terrible comparison!
Different pov:s prohibits comparison!
Favorite images could be duplicated with 25/1,8.
Did you watch the whole video, there are very few examples where the POV is different. If any...?
I did! There are many different pov:s!
rhe smallest difference makes a big difference
Yes, there are some small differences in there. We had limited shoot time for this one, so couldn't make it 100% exact, but duly noted!
No offence! Even 0,5 - 1 m difference
in pov make a big difference with these f numbers!
Appreciate your channel! Regards Ulf
Yeah, we wanted to do a tripod mount for everything, but as the shoot time was limited, we tried to match as best as we could.
Well, well overpriced for M4/3 sensor! Awful cat eyes bokeh!
This lens does not have cat eye bokeh. They had a preprod model.