5 Fiber-Like Tools That Can Now Be 3D-Printed!

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 19 сер 2024

КОМЕНТАРІ • 301

  • @make.anything
    @make.anything 3 роки тому +443

    So awesome to see you touching on 3D printing again. I love the intersection of algorithms and manufacturing!

    • @TwoMinutePapers
      @TwoMinutePapers  3 роки тому +43

      It was so refreshing for my brain too, loved it! Thank you very much for the kinds words and for dropping by!

    • @Sazoji
      @Sazoji 3 роки тому +3

      I bet you could replicate/enhance some of these results with varishore tpu, trying out the code (seems like it's an IceSL addition) to make semiflex tools without joints would be awesome.

    • @ittixen
      @ittixen 3 роки тому

      Oh, he got his hands on this stuff himself? Awesome! I thought it was example footage from the authors.

    • @endthefighting
      @endthefighting 3 роки тому

      My sentiments entirely. I cannot wait to see what utter madness awaits us in the 3D printing world!

    • @JoeTaber
      @JoeTaber 3 роки тому +1

      "touching on" -- I see what you did there

  • @GabrieleNunnari
    @GabrieleNunnari 3 роки тому +220

    I want to praise this channel in a more unique way than the usual. As a scientist I do know the struggle of keep up to the date, expecially when there is some revolution in other fields that do not belongs to you. This channel does in fact generate an easy glance to all that it is new in the form of a pill, there is no need to read for ton of papers, it is a selection that does basically highligth great potential tools in a time effective manner.
    I firmy believe that this channel is source of ideas for many scientific groups out there, and it will be more in the future. It is a tool that allows to be keep up to date in a very light way allowing to spend time and redirect efforts easily that one may think.
    I do belive that tools like this channel will improve by years the adoption of new methods spreading the news way faster than is usually done. Keep it going, it is an incredible work you do for the entire world, this channel is an optimization tool that will be overlooked, but it is useful for the entire humanity.

    • @TwoMinutePapers
      @TwoMinutePapers  3 роки тому +36

      You are too kind. Thank you so much for the heartwarming message! 🙏

    • @srijansaxena7455
      @srijansaxena7455 3 роки тому +3

      @@TwoMinutePapers And you're too great! Immense respect, please keep doing what you do.

    • @kalidwapur
      @kalidwapur 3 роки тому +1

      As a researcher in Biology I wish there was such a good channel in my field.

    • @MK-fg8hi
      @MK-fg8hi 3 роки тому

      I'm a Ph.D. student working in AI + CG, and I agree wholeheartedly!

    • @masonhawver3577
      @masonhawver3577 2 роки тому

      We

  • @gameodemosthene9252
    @gameodemosthene9252 3 роки тому +172

    Imagine 3d printed protective gear made so the expected area of collision is rigid and tough but the insides are soft and breathable

    • @jnee
      @jnee 3 роки тому +39

      the video reminded me of the 'crumple zones' you see in cars where certain parts of the vehicle will actually crumple more to absorb impact while the more rigid roll cage stops the occupants from being crushed

    • @jokinglimitreached1503
      @jokinglimitreached1503 3 роки тому +9

      You can already do that with two materials - rigid material on the outside, soft on the inside. It's not the best use case for this paper

    • @gameodemosthene9252
      @gameodemosthene9252 3 роки тому +8

      @@jokinglimitreached1503 but it would be substantially lighter I don't know if you play sports but most protective gear is quite heavy

    • @jokinglimitreached1503
      @jokinglimitreached1503 3 роки тому +2

      @@gameodemosthene9252 Is the 3D printed material light? If it's also strong, yes, I would agree 3D gear would be nice

    • @gameodemosthene9252
      @gameodemosthene9252 3 роки тому +4

      @@jokinglimitreached1503 the futures gonna be crazy man. Imagine durable flexible and protective
      KHAKIS

  • @CosmiaNebula
    @CosmiaNebula 3 роки тому +50

    "there were probably a lot of injuries... So clearly, this is very cool!"
    -- 2 min papers without context

  • @themutagen
    @themutagen 3 роки тому +44

    Wow! This paper really encompasses the phrase: "what a time to be alive!"
    So many possibilities!

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 3 роки тому +4

    What I REALLY love about the showcases in this video is that all these could be printed on a consumer $300 printer.
    As someone that's been doing 3D printing for years, I love seeing how many ways people are coming up with creative and useful ways to put these little robots with a hot glue gun to use. 🤩

  • @z-beeblebrox
    @z-beeblebrox 3 роки тому +6

    It's even more cool that this solution was found using a handmade algorithm instead of machine learning. Just goes to just how far materials and topology has come in melding math and engineering

  • @prasoongupta12
    @prasoongupta12 3 роки тому +103

    Just two more papers down the line, we can 3d print a 3d printer and return the original!

    • @640kareenough6
      @640kareenough6 3 роки тому +15

      Look at the RepRap project lol. We've been doing exactly that for years. Prusa also has a 3d printer farm to make parts for their own printers. These Papers have been made for like 10 years.

    • @SteffenBauer
      @SteffenBauer 3 роки тому +1

      its the goal of the reprap project

    • @VincentFischer
      @VincentFischer 3 роки тому +1

      you can do that already (almost). ofcorse it can't work for stuff like the nozzle or electrical parts

    • @SteffenBauer
      @SteffenBauer 3 роки тому

      @@VincentFischer depends if you allow other printing methods than FDM. You probably could print the nozzle but the surface finish is probably bad without manual finishing.

    • @VincentFischer
      @VincentFischer 3 роки тому +1

      @CanadianOtaku printing stuff like motors, microprocessors and electrical components? In theory probably yes, but thats still a long long way and probably not possible with the current methods (FDM)

  • @serta5727
    @serta5727 3 роки тому +213

    The singularity is coming just a few papers down the line 🦾

    • @sanjaymatsuda4504
      @sanjaymatsuda4504 3 роки тому +10

      The singularity has been coming Very Soon™ roughly since 1955.

    • @commenturthegreat2915
      @commenturthegreat2915 3 роки тому +10

      @@sanjaymatsuda4504 Eh, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this. When AI was first introduced the singularity was just speculation, and we couldn't really know for certain when it would occur. The pace of progression in AI since then is insane, we're achieving things never thought possible before, and we have a much better understanding of how to create and train it. AI can already write basic code, it's only a matter of time until it can write the code of a better AI. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we reached the singularity in the next 20 years or so.

    • @andrasbiro3007
      @andrasbiro3007 3 роки тому +15

      Or it happened a long time ago and we are living in one of the simulations for a paper.

    • @gracefool
      @gracefool 3 роки тому +3

      @@commenturthegreat2915 pfft we're no closer to actual learning than we were 50 years ago. When we first made computers, people considered them "thinking machines". No, they just do arithmetic really fast. It turns out we can apply that to pattern matching too. That's all modern AI is. It's not intelligent, unless you think a calculator is intelligent. We still have no idea how to do anything like what a brain does.

    • @commenturthegreat2915
      @commenturthegreat2915 3 роки тому +3

      ​@@gracefool This is a different topic - the singularity simply refers to a point where AI becomes capable of creating better AI, and we're definitely closer to having achieved this milestone.
      As for your point - I heavily disagree. There is a massive difference between writing conventional algorithms and training AI using machine learning. In the former you're writing direct instructions for the program to follow, meaning it would never improve without your direct intervention. In the latter however, you could write relatively simple instructions which enable the program to continuously improve without you having to change a single line of code. Neural networks and similar learning structures were meant to mimic the complexity of biological computers and enable them to improve over time through minor tweaking, just like our brain does. And lo and behold, it works. The actual functions and connections in machine learning structures may not be the same as our brain, but they definitely achieve the overall effect - learning. This isn't something that was possible before. AI these days can actually be innovative and break the expectations of the people who created it. This is where this starts to get more philosophical than factual - can this be considered intelligent? I find it strange that you did not actually explain what you would consider to have reached that line. I would argue that pattern recognition is basically the same thing that makes us intelligent, be it on a much bigger scale. After all, our brains also consist of networks and firing signals, and could be considered to be just very complex computers. There's nothing inherent that prevents electronic machines from performing the same tasks. If we were to build a computer that can perfectly mimic our behavior using pattern recognition would you still say it's not intelligent? Where's the line?

  • @randomhuman1965
    @randomhuman1965 3 роки тому +19

    You are an awesome Human. Thank you for sharing the knowledge as it develops!

  • @marcelosantos5683
    @marcelosantos5683 3 роки тому +8

    That knee is sooo futuristic, imagine a leg with that fiber with metal bones and motors. A true humanoid robot, specially lightweight

  • @Kram1032
    @Kram1032 3 роки тому +7

    Honestly the first thing that came to mind with this is ultra comfortable mattresses. But clearly there are a ton of other really really useful applications

    • @applepie9806
      @applepie9806 3 роки тому

      hmm, those already exist in a way, the Purple mattress.

    • @Kram1032
      @Kram1032 3 роки тому

      @@applepie9806 I know, that partially is why I thought that: This probably can even improve on them

  • @Samurook
    @Samurook 3 роки тому +4

    When thinking about the future I was always just thinking of more/better computers everywhere, but now I can also dream about how comfy our chairs will be :3

    • @seahyx120
      @seahyx120 3 роки тому

      The perfect sofa, when?

  • @kinematic_InMotion
    @kinematic_InMotion 3 роки тому +17

    A perfect end to a friday!
    What a time to be alive!

  • @ZergRadio
    @ZergRadio 3 роки тому +6

    This is amazing, I am about to go study at a Higher Vocational Education school to become a 3D print technician :)
    So this video is pretty awesome ;)

  • @jackburton5085
    @jackburton5085 3 роки тому +1

    5:52 wow what a optical effect!

  • @griffingibson4389
    @griffingibson4389 3 роки тому +2

    I love how two minute papers does more than just ai algorithms. Anything cool is always welcomed.

  • @yappygm7433
    @yappygm7433 3 роки тому +16

    6:19 Dr. Károly: And, not only the source code of this project is available, but it is available for you to try on one of the best websites on the entirety of the internet --
    Me: Weights & Biases!
    Dr. Károly: Shadertoy!
    Me: ...

  • @fuc321
    @fuc321 3 роки тому +2

    2:00 so hydro dipping something that has been a thing for quite some time

  • @Ithirahad
    @Ithirahad 3 роки тому +2

    Doing this with metal 3D printing could probably generate _exceedingly_ safe cars by redirecting impact energy precisely. They might even spring back into shape after a collision!

  • @QuickM8tey
    @QuickM8tey 3 роки тому +1

    This is one of the best papers I've seen you make a video about. Seems like it'd blow the field of metamaterials wide open!

  • @NathanK97
    @NathanK97 3 роки тому +1

    i could totally see how this could be used to design better crumple points in cars to protect vehicle occupants in collisions

  • @kushchakraborty8013
    @kushchakraborty8013 3 роки тому +10

    Just imagine the combined findings/techniques from compliant mechanism this and origami

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 3 роки тому +2

      Veritasium has a video about compliant mechanisms which have expanded the field of origami.

    • @kushchakraborty8013
      @kushchakraborty8013 3 роки тому +1

      @@davidwuhrer6704 Yes that's how I came to know about it too. Fascinating times

  • @Kynareth6
    @Kynareth6 3 роки тому +2

    Nice, this can sure prove useful in the future! Good that researchers are trying to be imaginative!

  • @szebike
    @szebike 3 роки тому +1

    This could be useful for airbag like things in cars where one side has to be rigid for montage and holding in one place and the other side right next to it has to be flexible and force absorbing.

  • @theencore398
    @theencore398 3 роки тому +5

    Future grandmas gonna 3d lrint sweaters, what a time to be alive!

  • @LeeXiaoMei
    @LeeXiaoMei 3 роки тому +1

    It looks so beautifully organic, like finger prints or muscle structure or bone structure. I wonder if this can be combined with fluids that can control the compression actuation and actually create a new kind of machine? Using flow and pressure control for example

    • @ArchKomposer
      @ArchKomposer 2 роки тому +1

      Lovs to hear your idea in more detail, Juliana Payson

  • @Barnaclebeard
    @Barnaclebeard 3 роки тому +1

    Sometimes you see a thing and you just know that this is the future. Soft, printable robots everywhere.

  • @ConceptHut
    @ConceptHut 3 роки тому

    This is good for coverings on mechanisms with joints that also have hard shells attached to them.

  • @R2Bl3nd
    @R2Bl3nd 3 роки тому +1

    There are so many possibilities with this, you could have a long rod that when you compress both ends, it bends into a particular shape, like some text or the outline of some kind of object.

  • @TheZenytram
    @TheZenytram 3 роки тому

    the field of meta-materials are unbelievable.

  • @axiezimmah
    @axiezimmah 3 роки тому

    Truly, what a time to be alive. This will really open a lot of options for all kinds of useful items to be mass produced in ways that were not possible before.

  • @salsa221
    @salsa221 3 роки тому +3

    This is kind of like compliant mechanisms. I love it

    • @Not_Pulsus
      @Not_Pulsus 3 роки тому +1

      Maybe with this they can make robots that don't look like such losers

  • @PS-vk6bn
    @PS-vk6bn 3 роки тому +1

    Maybe this research could help mitigating injuries from car accidents by designing vehicles which dissipate the impact forces even better than current designs do.

  • @runforitman
    @runforitman 3 роки тому

    I am in love with that hydrographic method
    I've never seen a machine doing hydrographics, but it seems perfect for colouring parts!

  • @WilliumBobCole
    @WilliumBobCole 3 роки тому

    5:00 before this part, I was already thinking how this reminded me of like, leather car seats of the 70s/80s or something, IDK why exactly, something about the texture as it crumples? But using this for the internal structure for optimal comfort is obviously a completely new and awesome technology. The closest before now is multimaterial cases such as different stiffnesses of foam or springs

  • @RacingTIR0
    @RacingTIR0 3 роки тому +1

    As an industrial designer I can see a couple fantastic use cases for this and how it could develop further. Actually intrigued.

    • @ArchKomposer
      @ArchKomposer 2 роки тому

      WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOU ELABORATE, TIRO

  • @RazsterTW
    @RazsterTW 3 роки тому +2

    This is amazing! There are so many applications for this.

  • @lepi9577
    @lepi9577 3 роки тому +2

    Those patterns look a lot like those produced by reaction-diffusion conditions!

  • @NovaStrike118
    @NovaStrike118 3 роки тому

    This reminds me of how in F1, you're not allowed to use moving/active aerodynamics, so wings and stuff have to be rigid as per the rules. To test whether a wing is allowed or not, they apply pressure to it to see if it bends. One F1 team used a clever technique with carbon fibres to make a wing only bend in a specific way, and not in another way. It passed the test despite being active aero.

    • @realstealthninja
      @realstealthninja 3 роки тому

      i am more of a formula e kind of guy
      but its really cool

  • @rackneh
    @rackneh 3 роки тому

    Assuming I can combine conductive materials this is going to be so useful for my work, amazing work!

  • @OBLmusic
    @OBLmusic 3 роки тому +1

    The possibilities seem endless.

  • @LikeTheWayYouThink
    @LikeTheWayYouThink 3 роки тому +1

    This can revolutionize compliant mechanisms...

  • @brunoaraujo2700
    @brunoaraujo2700 3 роки тому

    stuff like this makes me more interested in what the future robots will look like

  • @veggiet2009
    @veggiet2009 3 роки тому +1

    The mattress industry will go cray cray

  • @aerball
    @aerball 3 роки тому +1

    YES MORE ADDITIVE CONTENT PLEASE!

  • @Cpt-Nemo
    @Cpt-Nemo 3 роки тому +1

    You always find all the coolest papers.

  • @arturduchene
    @arturduchene 3 роки тому

    Auxetics are so cool! I believe they will be everywhere soon and transform our world in ways we cannot yet begin to imagine.

  • @SamTheMan12
    @SamTheMan12 2 роки тому +1

    Karoly Zsonai your accent is perfect!

  • @JTheoryScience
    @JTheoryScience 3 роки тому

    shadertoy is where i get alot of my procedural abstract clips for videos. its great!

  • @Unmannedair
    @Unmannedair 3 роки тому +1

    If one were to add ceramic to the surface, one could hypothetically 3d print conformal body armor that wouldn't restrict movement at all.

  • @hoptanglishalive4156
    @hoptanglishalive4156 3 роки тому

    “Research is not only fun and joy.” Agreed. I cried a little when they drowned the cat.

  • @Robert_McGarry_Poems
    @Robert_McGarry_Poems 3 роки тому

    Today our simulation is designing new materials! This is the realest paper yet!

  • @GendefectX
    @GendefectX 3 роки тому

    This is going to be a huge gamechanger

  • @vipulpatil3299
    @vipulpatil3299 3 роки тому

    I love the background boom effect at the starting of every video

  • @simonhaesaert8175
    @simonhaesaert8175 2 роки тому

    The pliers blew my mind

  • @legeko3366
    @legeko3366 3 роки тому

    These would make excellent synthetic heart implants. Once we have the necessary materials. Although the support structure could be used in the growing of artificial organs.

  • @julinaut
    @julinaut 3 роки тому +1

    Mechanical parts that bend are also known as compliant mechanisms and they have a bunch of advantages and there is a great video on them by veritasium, look it up if you like the topic. I think it's very interesting.

  • @OmegaTaishu
    @OmegaTaishu 3 роки тому

    "The structures showcased here can be used in soft robotics, soft mechanisms, prosthetics..."
    Me, with bad knee caps "YEAH! SCIENCE!!"

  • @think2086
    @think2086 3 роки тому

    @4:08 : this could be a model for space time and General Relativity, to compete with the stretch fabric and balls that physics instructors currently use.

  • @Solizeus
    @Solizeus 3 роки тому +1

    I wonder if that kind of knowledge can be used to lessen the computing stress of 3D muscle simulations for physics interactions with game characters.

  • @Atimo133
    @Atimo133 3 роки тому +1

    Blown away by this

  • @applepie9806
    @applepie9806 3 роки тому +1

    Hmm. wonder if this would be useful in tires and suspension systems. How about all terrain tires?

  • @asicdathens
    @asicdathens 3 роки тому

    These spatial algorithms can be included as infill patterns in slicers like Cura or Prusa Slic3r . I am more impressed with the multi axis 3d printer in the beginning that printed without supports

  • @ENJERUNE
    @ENJERUNE 3 роки тому

    This would be awesome for soft robotics, prosthetics limbs and protective gear

  • @EzekielHateable
    @EzekielHateable 3 роки тому +1

    I wish I had found this channel earlier. I love it so many kewl Ideas.

  • @MrGTAmodsgerman
    @MrGTAmodsgerman 3 роки тому

    Those flexible object clips makes me want to eat a cake. Idk why.

  • @Nachtschicht1
    @Nachtschicht1 3 роки тому

    Very interesting field of science. I think those techniques could also be used for miniaturisation, like nano-machines

  • @Arizona9001
    @Arizona9001 3 роки тому

    thanks for making this video. i started to wonder what i can use this for.. now its something i didnt know i needed. thanks again.

  • @LOICK1912
    @LOICK1912 3 роки тому

    So amazing ! This paper come from my city ! Impressive

  • @MachineManGabb
    @MachineManGabb 3 роки тому +3

    I am thinking about a big flat hamburger, my guess is there is already a 2 minute papers video on that?

  • @ITpanda
    @ITpanda 3 роки тому

    I would love to see this incorporated in the manufacturing of cars. Could save more lives than the current collapsible systems by improving on them. Would likely also make the cars lighter and/or stronger.
    Just need metal additive manufacturing to catch up with production speeds.

  • @Endlessninja-ug5zy
    @Endlessninja-ug5zy 3 роки тому

    this sound like the basis for an amazing fidget tool

  • @spyral00
    @spyral00 3 роки тому

    this would be great for stop-motion animation!

  • @noapoleon_
    @noapoleon_ 3 роки тому +1

    This just triggered my creativity area holy shit I'm thinking of so many things we could do with this rn

    • @ArchKomposer
      @ArchKomposer 2 роки тому

      Noa, can you share some examples?

    • @noapoleon_
      @noapoleon_ 2 роки тому

      @@ArchKomposer im sorry but i have no idea what I was thinking of 11 months ago

  • @Hahalol663
    @Hahalol663 3 роки тому

    What a time to be alive!

  • @botondstrauss9410
    @botondstrauss9410 3 роки тому

    There are some awesome puzzles to be made here. :)

  • @thomasstewart9752
    @thomasstewart9752 3 роки тому

    I can't wait to have furniture that is perfectly cubic yet conforms to my body shape as soon as I sit down.

  • @eliaswenner7847
    @eliaswenner7847 3 роки тому

    This is actually super usefull in soft robotics !

  • @gaborfekete3777
    @gaborfekete3777 3 роки тому

    More people should know and use shadertoy! ;)

  • @infinnite4938
    @infinnite4938 3 роки тому

    HAHAHAHA YES THIS UNCLE DOES 3D PRINTING STYLE VIDS!!!! TYSM

  • @kurtlindner
    @kurtlindner 3 роки тому

    I knew I was on to something printing all those models with only infill and no outer walls or top layers!
    They had lots of stringing though, probably need to level the bed. lol

  • @kiachi470
    @kiachi470 3 роки тому

    Ow wow Some new news about 3D printing... This is amazing and Exciting

  • @kickapoo1390
    @kickapoo1390 3 роки тому

    Can't wait to 3D print me some couches!

  • @progamer9465
    @progamer9465 3 роки тому

    Wow! It must've taken a long time to render the hand simulations and the fiber structures simultaneously

  • @StephenRayner
    @StephenRayner 3 роки тому

    Loved it!!! More like this too

  • @dannowelty76
    @dannowelty76 3 роки тому

    Hopefully Cura Slicer can incorporate this as an experimental feature. I can see this having an immediate use for protecting sensitive equipment such as camera lenses or mobile computer equipment.

  • @JinKee
    @JinKee 3 роки тому

    5:00 i also wish i could be rigid but still create a comfy sensation

  • @kylebowles9820
    @kylebowles9820 3 роки тому

    Omg it's on shadertoy!

  • @dcfred777
    @dcfred777 3 роки тому

    Loved the video (and all the rest of yours of course)!! I’m always interested in new things about 3D printing! I just need to find an career/engineering career in the field of 3D printing, 3D printer manufacturing!!

  • @toffotin
    @toffotin 3 роки тому

    Hmm. I play hockey as a goalie and have been thinking I would like to have a neck guard that covers my whole neck but doesn't inhibit movement at all.
    Wonder if I could make a neck guard like that with this?

  • @juliandarley
    @juliandarley 3 роки тому +3

    very impressive! if the flexibility could be combined with the strength of ABS (which i don't think they are using here), then that would be really wonderful. the colour printing is very nice and potentially very useful and the caustic model is beautiful.

    • @mosquitobrainbutcool
      @mosquitobrainbutcool 3 роки тому +1

      I believe that they are using a material like TPU, flexible and pretty strong.

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 3 роки тому +1

      Dual material is definitely a thing. Hopefully they'll try this technique with mixed materials soon! Imagine all the possibilities! :)

    • @juliandarley
      @juliandarley 3 роки тому

      @@mosquitobrainbutcool Thermoplastic polyurethane looks interesting. not sure how my old wanhao i3 will cope with it, but i shall check.

    • @juliandarley
      @juliandarley 3 роки тому

      @@BRUXXUS dual (and more) materials is exciting and as it has been around for some time now, hopefully it is reasonable reliable.

  • @decycle2912
    @decycle2912 3 роки тому +1

    Has anyone got their hands on an example model? I really wanted to try it out at home.

  • @FurryEskimo
    @FurryEskimo 3 роки тому

    These patterns remind me of fingerprints. I wonder if this is why our fingerprints look the way they do!

  • @KitsuneSoftware
    @KitsuneSoftware 3 роки тому

    Those structures remind me of finger prints. I wonder if there is a connection?

  • @atab6555
    @atab6555 3 роки тому +1

    A realy high quality product (a vr hip tracker) was made with 3d printing

  • @lars2397
    @lars2397 3 роки тому

    Could you please make a video about 3D bio-printing :)

  • @abraxaseyes7
    @abraxaseyes7 Рік тому

    Now to make everything even more disposable.

  • @redjay997
    @redjay997 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video! But, does anyone know how to actually use the demo, I'm confused

  • @M0nch_Cr0nch
    @M0nch_Cr0nch 3 роки тому

    So my dad and I are at a disagreement and I hope it can be answered, do these experiments use a special filament or material? Or is it the same materials you would use for a regular print such as PLA etc.? Thanks in advance
    Edit: okay so I looked through the paper again and found that it is TPE for anyone else wondering