Learn From Fred Again & Skrillex and STOP Overproducing
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Overproducing can lead to many issues, and even the giant producers like Fred Again, Skrillex and Four Tet is really careful about avoiding it. Let's deep dive into the problem a bit.
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I put perfectionism away last year and challenged myself to put out tracks as many weeks as I can on a strict Saturday to Saturday schedule, the goal being 40 tracks (I allowed a week a month because I still have a day job, and family and house obligations). They didn't have to be good, or even finished, but if I start a track that week, it's going up on SoundCloud by 3 PM Saturday regardless. I didn't get the time to get obsessed with a track, and even if I didn't like the end result, it was okay because I can just start something new next week.
I made some of the best tracks I've ever made as a result of it. Not all of them, to be sure. But I've got 7 I'm happy enough with to spend doing those final "20%" improvements to make my first album ever this year. I'm 55 and have no illusions about having a paying career in music. It's the first time in my life I didn't just quit in frustration after spending months on tracks before just abandoning them.
Happy to hear that! When you release your album can you post the link in this comment section so I can check it out?!!
thank you for sharing, i'm going to attempt something similar soon
Props for your discipline with a family and job!!!
@@AahSol will do! While I despise self-promotion in other people's channels, it's not difficult to get to a preview from my UA-cam profile.
kinda agree to a point. I do like some perfection as well, it seems rough to be that artist that has 74 albums in one year. At that point you are trying to get people to shuffle through your work I feel.
Thank you for this, Alice. I feel like more videos like this would benefit the community. Sound design and mixing tricks are cool and all, but in the end, you got to select only a few options and chill. This video is much appreciated!
Really happy to help. I will try to make more similar videos like this in the future.
This is a great video about it all how have I been missing this all my life! I love this!
I heard of the 80/20 rule before but this explains it really well in a production context.
Splendid video Alice! The Pokémon analogy was perfect!
İçinde bulunduğum çıkmaz döngüyü çok güzel ifade etmişsin. Önerilerin için teşekkürler video ilaç gibi geldi : ) "Mükemmelliyetçilik en yüksek düzeyde kendi potansiyelini kötüye kullanmaktır"
Knowing your video doesn't imply only to music creating, is very helpful. Thank you
I find myself working on a track and being really happy with the progress. I then get excited to play it back the next day and continue working, only to hate it!!! This has happened so many times, but the funny thing is if I continue to listen a bit more then I get into the moment, and get over the perfectionist side of things and start enjoying it again. I have produced about 7 tracks in 3 years but I still haven't uploaded anything to Spotify yet, only Soundcloud due to feeling my music is not ready yet. Thanks for the video it helped clear up issues for me!
Very well explained and demonstrated. This video is really next level, diving deeper down into the psychology of making music which might also be a 20/80, but I need to philosophize some more before I can say for certain. Thanks!
Thanks for the help we need more of this topics , That was a really good video .
This has really helped me, thank you Alice!
Very clever content!! 👌👌Greetings from Spain!🎉
thank you so much Alice! following your journey here since years and this video was so inspiring and helpful again💐
Awesome! Thanks for sharing
I am simply in love with you and the knowledge and the insights you share with us. Thank you. I am gratefull.
What a great content ...the more I see ur videos, the more I love producing 😌😌🎶
That really cool ‘electric guitar’ sound track is really beautiful!
Awesome video Alice! This is just what I needed to hear
You’re amazing!! Keep posting such helpful content ❤️❤️
GREAT Video Alice!! full of knowledge 👍 👍 Definitively use Paretto´s Principle, focus on the 20% that brings you the 80%... and more than that, make it 85-15.
This was lovely video, completely agree and keep a reminder that less is more in the front of the mind! Thanks for sharing your personal experience and thanks for the effort you put into making the video, this one struck a chord, pun obviously intended 🚀💜
Nice video, and very interesting point of view. I agreed with you.
Great video! Thank you very much🙌
This is very very helpful, thank you
This video is amazing. ending hit hard!
Thanks Alice! 3600 hours is great to remember when song fatigue sets in. How did you create that electric guitar lead sound in serum??? Sounds awesome. Is this serum preset in your preset pack?
THANK YOUUUU you'r AMAZING THNXK again and again and again and again :D!
Producing with a fear of frequency masking has made me spend more time side chaining, than really layering ideas to a song. I end up making songs that sound clean but hollow.
Alice´s videos are really changing the game.
overproducing really does make me exhausted and limit my productivity
but i don't think i can get rid of this habit, cuz i see quite a lot of people who are able to have so many sounds/ideas(even more than i could come up with when i am overproducing) and just like, still achieve clean arrangement and mixdown, and ALSO stay unfathomably productive
if my goal is to be on their level, how am i even supposed to start?
ty for the reminder!!
Nice vid ! a lot of good advices, as i think being good at anythning isn't just about technique, but mostly about work ethic and workflow.
To avoid song fatigue, i have a simple workflow :
I have currently about 15 projects WIP, some are rough ideas that will never make a finished track, some are 99% polished. For each work session, i focus only on one task, for one track (composing, arrangement, mixing...)
All in all, i only work on each track once a month maybe, wich makes me consider it with a fresh ear each time, and immediately getting what's good or wrong about it. In the meantime, i probably have learned a new trick or technique, or got a new plugin to test, or got a new idea, wich make everything go forward each time i sit at my desk and launch my daw.
great video!
Being a perfectionist is like torturing yourself everyday. But yeah, not so easy to overcome :)
Unfortunately, it usually takes 100 more hours to figure out which 20 of the previous 100 were worthwhile. To me, sleeping on a mix (for a week or a year) is often the most valuable - don't rush it - go away and come back - then it's often clear what works.
Damn your channel is def one of the best channels for musicians ever created
Thank you 🙏🏻
Very interesting video !
thank you for this
i think i deal with my perfectionism in a perfect way😁
thank you thank you thank you!!
I have written over 200 songs in the last years and have only released one EP and one Album. WHAT THE FUCK! I am way to perfectionist. I'll stop that NOW:
I wanted to say a lot more but this comment already is good enough.
Thank you!
What I took from Rumble is that when an artist is big enough and knows how to hype the public, the quality doesn't really matter. Rumble is probably the worst thing Four Tet and Fred Again have been involved in their careers. Can't say the same for Skrillex since he hasn't done anything interesting since probably his first EP. I can't really understand how such a hollow, uninteresting track has become such a hype. And it kind of hurts, I was expecting them to do something with some sort of innovation or excellence. My bad.
That is what makes it good, the track is as simple as it can be but still it got a lot of hype. This is is more of a marketing achievement than a production one, the music by itself is meh, after the 3rd listen I'm already bored, there are other tracks with 0.01% of the hype that lasted way longer for me. I guess this tells that anyone and anything can become famous, you just need the right connections and a bit of luck.
The Pareto principle is everywhere. I'd expect that about 80% of your channel's views are accounted for by 20% of your uploads. Similarly on Spotify, where it's quite common to see an artist's most popular song account for over 50% of their streams, about eighty percent of your uploads probably do almost nothing compared to the top 20% that generate 80% of your Spotify income. You probably also have one sample or preset pack that gets downloaded or used much more than any other. It's almost like there's a mysterious universal force that makes it so, no matter what you try.
My wise friend Brandon Wayne once told me:
The less sounds, the more important they are.
The polish was well worth it though
Where can I see the video of the interview??
Hey Alice, I have gone a non pro for more than 20 years now and accumulated many ideas that I didn't turn into a finished song and left it as a 2 or 4 loop. I believe this is another type of headache for producers however I couldn't find a fancy name for that lol.. And I would like to hear what your thoughts are. Maybe you have a video about it already :)
It's just the Pareto principle or 80/20 rule at work again. If you have 100 ideas for songs over a period of time, you'll ultimately spend 80% of your effort working on the 20% of ideas that inspire you the most. e.g. You'll only finish 20 songs, and discard 80 of them. Everyone has folders full of unfinished songs. It's kind of supposed to be like that, since 80% of your work or success will come from 20% of your ideas.
Did you ghost produce Home for Solomun? lmao @8:22
Now I'm gonna start watching Pokémon:)
🔴Hey Alice, I have before too, please show the remake of track "HOME" by solomun,
This is one of the biggest videos about music production... I´ve been into this for 7 years and beacause of my perfectionism I had only release 5 songs, that really killed my creativity. All this problems that you mention on this video are really importat to put on the table and try to solve it as an individual. During the last year on my private life I started to leave my perfectionism and I started to enjoy family, friends, work and ofcourse myself more and more. CHEERS FOR THIS VIDEO, FR. I love the quality an effort that you put on your videos... this will help a lot future producers :)
Thank you, really appreciate it! As long as people enjoy the videos and they add value to community; I am more than happy to put all my effort on them 😊
Yes, really it is!
What makes a song good is the vibe, and that’s the sound selection and home you create around the initial idea. The rest is a natural consequence.
100%
Im in the same spot.... I have like 20 unreleased songs that I edit from time to time but my perfectionism holds me back so hard that I lose the joy of making music ...
How did you overcome that perfectionism?? I NEED TO STOP
I've learned overtime that possibly the most important thing you can do is remove stuff and simplify your track. I regularly remove notes from tracks and let the sounds really shine, sometimes complexity is needed, but most of time, making it simple is the best bet, human beings remember things that are simple yet tickle their fancy, they might be impressed by something super complex but they're not gonna be humming it.
I used to love IDM & complex breakcore stuff but over time it started to wear on me and I realised minimalism is really where its at for things that become "classic" in any genre not just electronic music.
IDM is often simpler than it seems. E.g. crazy chopped up break on one channel even though it might sound like a hundred things going on at once
So true about the song fatigue, I would even add the fun fact that's when you listen to a track you thought was boring and for whatever reason you stopped producing you find it was actually good and had potential, now I understand (sometimes) it's because of the song fatigue.
The absolute worst feeling is when you're really feeling a track and grooving to it , stank face n all and then all of a sudden you've fiddles with something not that important or noticeable for too long and start to get tired of the song.
@@wired-up5677 I feel you on that exactly. You feel like you’re doing some sick ass sh*t, you overproduce and that high dies down. Although for me if I take a week off from that project, I’ll often like I feel better about it
Cool video! This such an important thing to stress and be aware of not doing. I think the main problem for new producers that causes them to OVERPRODUCE is they're new to sound selection their ears aren't tuned enough just yet to pick out the good sounds from the bad sounds, so what ends up happening they start layering many different sounds to achieve what they think they want to achieve! Instead of being able to pin point what sound or what they need to take out to make their track more polished. There for causing them to start to overproduce and spend more time on a track than they should. Really nice video Alice!!
Thank you and definitely what I see with new producers as well. Cheers!
Yup thats me
This is me.
This is indeed an incredibly good post, thank you so much.
I could write a novel evaluating every single passage, excellent, really! 💜🎶
Thank you so much for giving an explanation to this! I have 1 song on Spotify with 1,5 million plays, it is fairly simple, and ever since I've struggled to put out a song as accessible! I later realized that I started adding too many complex elements to my songs, I have songs now that has gone through 17 different versions and has taken half a year to finish (to my liking)
I've first learned recently to (Somewhat) know what makes a listenable dance track, that is to make an element in a song breath a bit more, and interrupt that by a new element (for instance a new chord progression) This is a symptom I have because I don't trust that I can keep a listeners attention for that long (which has something to do with low self-esteem as well) which is a problem that is briefly glossed over beautifully in this video! You've earned a new sub!
I used to spend 100% of my time making tracks that were 0% good but after 2 years learning I spend 80% of my time making tracks that are 20% good
They stopped over producing because they got an actual producer in . On this project they were not acting producers, they were artists. Everyone thinks production means engineering or beatmaking but its got nothing to do with that.
Solomun is simple and really evolving
These are things I’ve realized after almost 12 years of doing music, powerful advice!! Everyone who is up & coming, apply this!!
Another great video Alice!
A lot of great insights on "being a producer" and not only what to "do" as a producer!
Thanks a lot for your amazing work!
Thank you!
Definitely! I think being a producer is closer to being a composer than being an engineer. 😊
Every analogy made complete sense to me! Thanks for this👍
As always cool vid, but if you could match the levels of the parts when you talk with the parts when the music plays then it would be great (for our ears). Cheers!
Song Fatigue is really a big thing I experience on regular basis. The Outcome of this: Hiding all my tracks on my Harddrive...
Absolutely great video, I struggle with hating my songs, and completely deviating from what I started with that made me excited in the first place, I don't have to make it any more difficult than it has to be in the first place! Thanks for the video, there is actually a method to this creative madness :D
The part about the perfectionist I disagree with.. the reason is if need to work on your track more than thats exacly what you need to do.. the opposite leads to being lazy and producing mid tracks.. work on it until you think its perfect is the way 100%
great video. my main advice is: don't choke your song with layers. it's similar to movie editing. you really need to trim the fat and allow your song to breathe. keep the main stuff and play with it (automations, fills, etc.). if something sounds off to you then "that something" will also sound off to your listeners. I've heard a lot of banger songs that were poorly mixed but I still enjoy them and don't want them to be overproduced/remixed at all. they're all perfect as they are.
As great producer criticised avicii ,martin garix ,alan walker for their mixing skills and technical knowledge. But their 20% made them their 80% . I believe if idea is great then if it is okay okay or little better produce that will become banger for sure .
this topic is a seriously underappreciated facet of all creative endeavours, be it filmmaking, music production, graphic design etc. time apart from the piece is one of the most important things you can do for the piece, the repetition of hearing or watching something in a vacuum can completely warp your reality of what music or a film etc should be like in the first place. what i suggest doing in all creative endeavours is to just throw ideas down as much as possible, then refine those ideas later on after some time apart.
This was the video I've been waiting for.... I was keep asking myself to solve this problem. thank you so much alice!!!
It is so important! My fear of failure made me a guy rarely releasing anything. It's not unusual to have years between releases. Exactly for what you described. It's starts with me enjoying my track, but then finding things that I thought problematic. Until I ended up thinking "no, it's trash".
One day, I shared a few of these unreleased tracks with another guy, that I only know via social media. He didn't know what I thought of them, and I expected a confirmation of their "badness". Instead he answered enthusiastically "o my god, how do you manage to make such clean mixes". And I still couldn't hear what he heard.
Under this name, sevenfifteen, I only posted a few Minecraft creator remixes. No longer than a day for each one, and in terrible quality (to my ears). Yet, I never heard anyone complain, despite their quality. Sometimes, it's better to just make it public, no matter what you think.
Skrilly don't look like that anymore he looks like Drake now.
Great point! I was overproducing stuff 6-7 years ago, making only a few tracks a year, etc. Then 2 years ago, I left my "perfectionism" aside, made a side alias, and released over 30 tracks to this date. I want to double that in the next 2 years, while also keeping up with the quality 💪
their no such things as perfection you have bought in to a deceptin
The easiest way to produce well is to get a damn producer!!! The term "producer" has been completely misunderstood /distorted for decades now. People confuse it with Engineer or Beatmaker and its got nothing to do with either. Rick Rubin did an interview recently and declared he didn't know anything about mixing and the interviewer was shocked, but if you understand what a producer actually does that should sound obvious to you. The Ideal producer knows nothing about EQ, Mastering, Chords or Synths or any of that, they need to be at the back of the room reacting purely emotionally, with a vision, and keeping the artists / engineers on topic and steering the project in a consistent direction like film director guides actors. . It's very very hard to properly produce music you have also written, or even mixed Much in the same way a film director doesn't usually write the screenplay or appear in their own movies.
Yeeeeah, One more Game Changer video, ty so much
Thank you for your time and effort with this video! Superb content. Bless
this is the channel ive been looking for! Thank you!!!!
Really good advice. Instead of overproducing and investing a lot of time in a few songs it is better to release a lot of songs with continuous improvement of the workflow and production quality.
This is similar to other knowledge work like software development, where continuous iterations with small increments lead to the ultimate goal of good quality running software.
pt-br: depois de um certo tempo estudando música principalmente se vc não é apaixonado por teoria musical, vc começa a querer entender mais a fundo pequenos detalhes que existem na produção, esse video me trouxe a sensação maravilhosa de aprender
I made some of my best remixes when I was homeless in a public library. I had my m1 Mac and just took like 10 min breaks in between of testing song parts. I had complete remixes done in like 1 day to a week. And i was smoking weed between sessions
Thanks a lot Alice!! You are the best teacher and the best mentor! Keep going making incredible music and inspiring videos!
Super educational video 🙌🏽
Can you explain more about how to counter act the effects of over producing. IE Hearing the track 6000 times. Especially to someone like myself who isnt a beginner nor a professional. I can't magically increase my workflow. I will playback the track on loop for inspiration also. I don't see how you can fix this other than to put the track down and come back another day, by which point the damage to it is probably already done. I come back only to find i hate it more.
Thank you! U are beautiful
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That’s why I work parallel on songs. a distance of days from your own project will open a new perspective. Creative distance is important to me
This hit right in the feels... In a good way! I was really needing this video, thank you ever so much for your work!!! ❤
At first, I thought I was about to watch another standard 'producer pro tips' video with interesting points but nothing which stands out.
In the end, it's a very passionating video with very interesting angles and perfect examples!
Thank you very much, I'm very glad to subscribe to your channel and make Sonic happy :)
Really helpful video. ty
it's kind of funny to hear that i knew since the beggining of my producer career that i don't wanted to spend too much time on mixing mastering whatever ... just being super super efficient by that i mean what's work for you !? what do you need to make the sound you want and what to do to keep your mix clear ? Keep a small amount of instrument , sample , work them over and over the time , you will be able to discover many side of them and start to get super creative and fast ;)
If the world was perfect, it would be the most boring place to be.
Thank you for an awesome video!
Legend... this is so on point all the best!!x bless up, you make a great teacher!!x I wish you success in all you do.
this is why i feek Dubstep/Riddim has lasted this long. it can be simplistic(mostly riddim dubstep),or be complex. at the end of the day,the crowd just wants to dance and you really cant achieve that if you have a thousand things happening at once. its called ElectronicDANCEMusic for a reason
Your second point is like a light switch. I tend to listen to the same loop over and over and probably make detrimental tweaks just so I hear something different. Great tip.
8:14 ohhh thats a cool idea. Thats that Major 3rd thing going on that NIN and Deadmau5 uses. Very nice.
Jesus christ, this is like ASMR for my tired brain. This video relaxed me a lot, and I'm thankful for it. Suscribed!
I have been a hobbyist producer for years and this channel is one of the best I've ever discovered. You've got the rare mix of great educational content but also great tracks! Thank you!
New to your channel. Really appreciate your insights. Your editing skills btw are 👌😎
four Tet is a great producer
Never saw someone talking about Maths and music production before! Thanks… I wasn’t wrong when I said I listen to my songs more than a thousand times before they go out🤧