If [Pannun plot] Happened Ajit [Doval] May've Been in the Know of it: Former R&AW chief AS Dulat
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- "If it (the Pannun plot) happened Ajit (Doval) may have been in the know of it": Former Head of R&AW, Amarjit Singh Dulat, to Karan Thapar for The Wire.
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In a comment which many will find surprising and some shocking, but which he repeated several times, Amarjit Singh Dulat, the former Head of R&AW and a close friend and colleague of India’s NSA, Ajit Doval, has said of the Pannun plot, recently covered at length by The Washington Post: “If it happened Ajit may have been in the know of it.” However, Mr. Dulat also went on to say that being “in the know of it” does not mean Mr. Doval “approved of it”. However, this point was made at least on two separate occasions in the interview. Since this is a critical point and one that will attract enormous attention, I will leave you to find out more by watching the interview. I do not wish to run the risk of misconstruing or misquoting Mr. Dulat in any paraphrase or precis. Because I wrote down these precise points and repeated them to Mr. Dulat (and he accepted them) I am happily quoting these to you.
However, in a 30-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, to discuss The Washington Post story, Mr. Dulat seemed very reluctant to believe that Samant Goel, who used to be Head of R&AW, would have instructed Vikram Yadav, who the Washington Post alleges asked Nikhil Gupta to arrange the alleged attempted assassination of Gurpatwant Singh Pannun. Mr. Dulat seemed to suggest that Yadav might have been instructed or authorized by middle-level bosses and not necessarily by the R&AW Chief of the time i.e. Mr. Goel. Again, I will leave you to see the interview to find out what Mr. Dulat says and his precise words. I have not, in this instance, given you any direct quotations.
Mr. Dulat said if such an operation had happened - and he repeatedly emphasized the word if - he would not like to believe R&AW could be so “sloppy” to botch it. At one point Mr. Dulat said if it was botched it’s very sad and agreed that that would reflect badly on the organization.
Speaking of Vikram Yadav, who The Post identified as the R&AW officer (on secondment from CRPF) who instructed Nikhil Gupta to carry out the aborted attempted assassination, Mr. Dulat asked: “How long has he been with R&AW and what does he know about the organization and its functioning?”
Mr. Dulat agreed that an inquiry is essential, adding that since the Prime Minister has ordered one (as revealed to the British paper The Financial Times) he was confident this would happen.
Here is the link to the interview: There’s an awful lot more in the interview that will interest and surprise you. I’m deliberately not revealing all of it.
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The former RAW chief Mr Dulat demonstrated clarity and coherence in his responses, offering valuable insights into the operations and ethical considerations of intelligence work. He maintained composure under pressure and acknowledged the need for investigations if significant evidence is provided. His ability to articulate the complexities of intelligence operations, while balancing the need for agency confidentiality with public accountability, highlighted his expertise and credibility. ❤❤❤
This "botched-up" operation had the full political "Ashirvad" of the government of the day. No R&AW chief would ever stick his neck out for the chopping block on a damp-squib operation like this one.
Those in the governmental hierarchy are not minnows who need primers in the cloak-and-dagger segment.
The intel apparatus too, is sure to have been fully in the loop for this thing.
We have a political setup that doesn't give more than two hoots of who says what. It is quite expected that the government was least bothered by the consequences.
it is quite in character with the government of the day.
Very well put
The other day the bureau chief of WP was saying MI5 warned Goyal more than once when he was posted in London. Because he was exceeding limits.Now there are various positions vacant in North America, Australia, Europe including that of station head. Because they exposed them self & ere expelled. He is a liar can be judged from the fact that he denied role of RAW in Australia though he claims that he is not aware how the system is working today.
thats how it should be. no compromise on national security
Well said. It's arrogance of a stupid kind that got us into this tight spot and of course bad luck that Gupta contacted a US informer.
but mr dulat, i beg to differ with you..today agencies are not working as before/your time.. this is new RAW and they are not only just working under govt. pressure but also pushing their agenda..
Mr AS Dulat in his last interview kept saying it was a work of a rogue element…. Now he is been forced to eat his words
You are smarter than Mr Dulat. You are way more intelligent keyboard genius
You seem to know more than many , are you from the ISI?
he didnt say that explicitly. In fact he said that we could have potentially a rogue. two different things
Mr. Thapar: you are better off not to bring such naked apologists who have no affinity to truth but their own survival in today's India's political environ. What is WP's pay off for dealing in fiction? India is cutting an increasingly sorry figure in the world contrary to the propaganda for domestic consumption.
Wat sorry figure you are referring to
Lol, Modi hatred has blinded you to ignore the reality.
@@Indus720 : Damodaradass Modi is just small fly to garner any "hatred" as such. I'm sure you'd ascribe the leading world think-tanks of such "hatred" that see India's downward spiral on many significant quality of life indices in the last 10 years. But, I must say, your ignorance is your bliss.
@@cyrilabraham1776 Lol, Your ignorance rather frustration is very much visible 😂 India’s geopolitical standing and economic potential in today’s world are beyond you.
I salute u sir,🙏being u r the Lion of the truth' finder of the reality ❤. All the manipuris were a true liers in the world 😮😮 😅Big Big thanks 🙏 to you Respected sir 🙏👌 The fearless journalist ❤😊
Mr Dulat sir is very defensive of RAW, evading clear-cut answers to tactical questions by Thapar ji. He seems tobe evasive or rather vague in his answers.
Can plz what is u r expectations from R&AW
Lol, So what do you expect from any former or current officer.
'Ghar me ghush kar marunga' type of political leadership always leads to this type of mess which is clear from this interview.
The mess is for the Americans to clean, i guess that is the message they are going to receive from this incident.
@@AjitKumar-lo9yu India has been delivered on a plate to US. India could easily ignore Khalistan, but Samant and Doval are Punjab guys, Punjab is why they have risen to the top. Samant invented a fake Khalistan org in Punjab for promotion. They are addicted to these killings. Such foolishness has now cost India. US will use this opportunity to the maximum. US knows how to play the game, it has foreign policy for all types of nations. Don't be a fool. This is what happens when incompetent people rise to the top.
Aren't you from Sandeshkhali ?😅
look, how all the other professional are functioning now. SBI chiefs asks for 4 months for 4 hours job. CEC releasing poll data after 11 days . CJ of Supreme court joing rajya sabha just after few months of retirement. Working CM's going behind bars and list goes on an on an on. Everything has changed in last few years and god knows what else will change
Excellent interview digging roots of story
"far too savvy" if that were the case then why are the 5 eyes considering declaring persona non grata? Mr Dulat never makes any sense and karan keeps inviting him
I doubt he ever had a foreign posting.
If this operation was done with the approval of the highest office clue Ghar mein guss ke marenge then we have become a state akin to ithers like Pak, Russ etc. if this operation was done a rogue element abd the so called James Bond of India had knowledge of it but didnt approve then that signifies a Govt with no control over its own intelligence officiers. Either way this signifies a significant drop in Governance and standing of India. no surprise here keep voting for tis regime.
If "India doesn't do such things" why are the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister running around boasting about "ghar main ghus ke marenge?" The Washington Post is not godi media. They would have published this only after meticulous research and confirmation. Something our newspapers have forgotten how to do.
Too much bravado always leads to stupid actions and decisions and this what seems to have transpired in this case.
Mr. Dulet is behaving as if he is official spokesman. Totally vague and confused answers. He is simply theorising. Nothing has come out of this interview.
His pension depends on his behaving well.
He has literally walked with pappu in Bharat todo yatra .. so the pension bit just reflects the fact of your illiteracy
He is suggesting that one of the evil pair has authorised it!
We listened to this person and we’ve listened to the EAM, they squirm and twist and turn and stonewall and this is the reason why our experience as citizens today is frustrating. We need men and women of solid character to preserve the strength of the structure of our nation to give our future generations a glorious future. I don’t think he is talking of the present government who openly talk of muscular leadership which will go whatever length to do whatever they want to do.
Our passport will suffer..
Such a fool made of RAW.. Modi can make even the intelligent agencies look like fools😂.. shame on the achievements they pride on
You do not comprehend what has happened. American had deaf ears for these issues before, and now they want to talk about it, certainly India would have a lot to talk back. So we are talking, Understand now...
In my opinion, instead of killing them,Government of India should negotiate with sikhs or ex militant leaders and bring them back to India so they can be added into mainstream. Sikh issues should be resolved with open heart cuz Sikhs are very patriotic people.
Wishy washy replies from Dulat, who otherwise often plays on front foot...
Why charan thappad interview a bewada like dulat
@23:47 Mr. Dulat, As a Pakistani I appreciate you being a well-wisher of Pakistan and believe it or not, most of us Pakistanis are also well-wishers of you and your country. But I really don't believe it when you say that you don't know who killed BB and Zia, because I can assure you that even a common Pakistani knows who killed BB and Zia.
Nice deflection to the original question asked though ;)
Good talk...
The way he is answering, it is quite clear who has done it
Yes, just by looking at someone is evidence. You are God
Honestly speaking, Mr. Thapar. I never miss your interviews with personalities from different part of the Globe. But, The person you interviewed is a big liar and a man of straw...blunt liar...
I always had trouble in believing this man's words, but i used to tell myself that i may be wrong and that his experience is great just like the Organisation he worked for. I know today for sure why i couldn't believe him, because he is a liar..!! Thank Mr. Dulat for showing your true colours and thank You Mr. Thaapar for assisting him in doing so..!!
Frji admi he ye
Mr. Thapar you chose a very pertinent topic to discuss with a well known person of RAW. Thanks
India should first get its trains and roads in order before ordering these stupid assassinations.
I was waiting for this interview in WP series.
Daulat saheb wants to stay in permanent state of denial 😂
Modi has destroyed all diplomatic relationships
Modi has set the rules for the first time in Indian history
Modi lost land for first time
Government, HM pressure could be
He will always defend government.
Mr AS Dulat seems to be tying himself in knots to paint RAW in good picture and also talk high of Mr Ajit Doval. In reality, the operation of this kind couldn't have occurred without the clearance of the Director of RAW. Mr Dulat's comment that Mr Doval could have been aware of the operation without approving because of compulsions of hierarchies in the system.
If the Operation occurred and Mr Doval was aware without approving it and let it go, that clearly means that someone above him approved the operation and it wasn't possible for him to stop it!
Mr Dulat agrees that in 25 yrs, many changes have occurred in the RAW but still tries to defend RAW with all the strength under his command and what happened without being fully aware of changes.
Mr Dulat seems to be unsure about him and wants to say something but dithers! He tries to be very Certain about Mr Doval and Mr Goel!
100 percent agree!!
He is favorite of Thaper. Because he always lies. Because he is afraid to speak truth. More loyal then the king.
Why karan thapar asks interrogate and interwiew mr daulat instead of ajit doval.I never heard ajit doval ever talking so positively about his predecessor mr daulat.
@@shrikantmahajan3750 I agree with you!
@@luckybajwa7212 This is what the Washington Post and Mr Merkey have said in their conversation with Mr Thapar.
1. Re Mr Doval, it is said, "He was aware of it even if hasn't approved it and in that case the approval happened at a level above him."
2. Re Mr Modi, it is said, "Nothing moves in his Govt without his knowledge or desire."
Now you conclude what comes out of it.
Karan sahib dulat di tan ohi gal hai kya kuta de pooth 12 years baad vi sidhi nahi hundi.dulatvbjo sariv ummer govt de tukre khanada reha oh kade vi vi govt de khilaaf nahi bool sakta.karan sahib usa ager chahe to India ko Naga kar dega.uske pass many videos and audios and many electronic proof.Karan ji aab to Indian pm modi, rajnath,and doval are saying openly ki dusman ko unke deshon me gush ke maregen.Jeh besaram keh reha hai ki India ki esi policy he nahi hai.es ki body language hi bta Rahi hai ki sach Kiya hai aur jeh keh Kiya eha hai.Es govt ke pet ne Sikh Kom kar sir nichey kar Diya hai.Mai hehan hun ki iss nikame bande nu raw da chief kisne bna diya.shame on him.
Pathetic replies so far . We don’t get involved… in such kind of operations ???
He is an expert liar. Indian establishments r full of incompetent cowerd persons like him. Most of them r not there because of their expertise but because of their connections. In which other country u have a NSA who is 80+.They lack guts to own & accept mistakes. They always pass bucks. It is a relatives & associate wing. There is a series of assisnation in India including PM in office to retired general. This is the real state of affairs of Indian intelligence setup.
Dear Karn ji good show. But were do you get such poppets that lie under their tongue.
Dullet is nervous dont want to tell the reality ,fear of his Pension.
Too much tension at this age for him. Very uncomfortable pretending to be comfortable.
AS Dulat is a true spy, so cautious even after having retired 25 years ago.
अजीत ढोबल पन्नू,निर्झर मामले मै बीजेपी सरकार की तरफ के प्लानर हो सकते है।
I don't understand how Mr dulat like a man can be a R&AW CHIEF.. He talks like a joker only..
Fools DARE .....Where Angels fear to Tread !!
You can’t expect contrary opinions from Dulat
In the intelligence world approvals for the operation are not given with signatures on the paper rather it is done clandestinely by omitting the trail and creating a firewall between the top level operators and lower level operators (hitmen) in case the plot fails as it happened in Pannu case.
Koi nahin mila: Dullat ko bulao.
Love you, Karan .........Incisive questions.
All along the interview Mr. Dulat has given a tight slap on the face of the interviewer
It seems like Karan Thapar has already paid money to Dulat for the interview and is chasing and charging at him for not answering questions as per Karan's wishes which is to implicate Modi and Doval.
This is such a sham interview in a series that he has done this subject over a period of time. I mean what is Karan looking for, any personal gains that Doval or Modi would have made from this incident. Such scrutiny of a covert operation if at all it was done by India and for whom is this scrutiny done for.
Don’t u have anything else to do Karan?
Mr. Dulat retired 25 years ago. What ever he says may not b e relevant today. The Government policies were different then. His opinion of the Pannum business is as good as any other common man like me who can put two and two together going by the trend of the present Government. Mr. Karan Thapar is wasting time and shattering one's expectation of a meaningful interview with some one who is both courageous and also has some thing worth listening to.
Why no question about so called defensive aggression policy?
What's with the background music?! 😅😅😅
The incompetence of such officers from Doval to Goel to Yadav has cost us big, they should be put on trial.
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This brown saheb takes foreign media as a gospel truth..... angrez mer gaye per aulaad chor gaye... 😆😆😆😆
Amarjeet, it seems, loves to come on tv and embarrass himself. If, as per him Ajit was in the "know of it", any fool will agree that he (Ajit) obviously approved. The opposite is scary that the NSA will know but cannot stop......an absurd conclusion. And if Ajit is so competent (which he obviously is) than it's impossible that he didn't get clearance from not only Jai Shanker but the PM of India. Thus my conclusion is that Amarjeet loves to come on TV to embarrass himself.
He is a spent horse. Why are you wasting time on such people?? He just wants to be in lime light. A spy will always be spy. Don't expect him to tell you the truth.
George Smiley again! Helloooooo
Another hollow interview. 🙁
The only thing which comes out of this interview that Karan Has cipher knowledge of espionage .
Karan has only one agenda , to defame Modi ..
They are throwing someone under the bus
These mofos removed mr dulat words,"I don't believe they've done it' from the headlines.
Karan, I do think you are doing to help to win third time!!!
Doval ki gali South East Asia hai, wahan ka sher hai. Uskey paar to yours faithfully?
Mr Thapar wants people to speak what Mr Thapar thinks is the truth...that's the issue with his interviews
I salute both of you.
Special salute to Mr Dulat as being ex raw chief, he has the humility and grace to participate in such a grilling interview.
Mr. Thapar why you have to speak on top of your lungs for every word you say... as if your guest is sitting half a mile away and wouldn't hear you if you were talking ever so calm...
What will happen to Vikram Yadav now. Will US take criminal action? What will India do then?
He is back in crpf , that's a punishment and nothing else will happen
Karan, He won't tell u anything.
Ajeet Dovel is reliable and professional person. We do not expect him to get involve in such heinous crime at all.
can India take on the USA militarily, with its large population and 56 inches of courage?
Listening to Dullat is like 'no difference' -- bcoz he's never conclusive. His replies may be right bt always diplomatic or tk a middle path. After listening to him -- U dnt really conclude anything.
Ex officer enjoying all the perks of and bounded by oath would always give such answers. Don’t know Karan should have invited some security expert on this topic.
Yes he is like a typical spy who reveals nothing while knowing all!!!!!
This Karan Thapar is already so aggressive and biased instead of finding the truth and being civil in his conduct
Mossad which Mossad. Holy crap. Savage. Karan was almost about to cry.
Can’t imagine how this system functions when people hiked theevu deeds, but one thing we need to be committed to strip the details clear, to deal with whatever needs to be dealt with, with the severity it deserves.
Thapar should review all is interviewed he hell bent on the post artical, one should look into all directions hope tapar continue on this subject
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Covert operations are done in secret without being observed by others. Mr. Dulat retired 25 years from the service. Will he reveal some of the secret killings occurred during his time. Why should he take the responsibility of the present head, who has taken the initiative of eliminating Nijjhar....?? Mr. Thapar in his old style of extracting words from the mouth of the guest ended the interview in a dull note.
This Dulat is a dubious kind of character, apperantly of all the ppl Thapar n The W(L)ire channel would prefer to talk to him. Non sense.
यह कैसी बेतुकी बात कर रहे हैं।
पता था लेकिन अप्रूव नहीं किया।
Not the right questions
I do not understand why Karan Thapar is behind Modi and Doval and trying to make them culpable. Do you think the Americans do not know about it if it was the work of R&AW and Americans would like their heads rolled.
Modi and Doval are head of the govt of a sovereign state. What narrative is Karan Thapar trying to set and for whom with is chamcha former R&AW chief
He is the truth finder. Afraid of the truth?
Ask him to find the truth of debacle about his father's tenure as chief of the Indian army and his other relative romila Thapar's narrative setting of Indian history.
@@AjitKumar-lo9yu Was Yes man of Nehru responsible for 1962 fiasco in Indo China war
@gaurangbhatt4758 Nehru has gained more land for india than any other PM. Modi lost land! And that is not a fiasco?
But this so stupiiiid why? You missed the point. India was joining up with usa to counter china.. usa accuses india of not being a good ally . So Russia saying india is still good because there is no proof of 'patnum assassintion plot' will not stop usa from thinking india of not being a good boy.Woof Woof
Abe kitni baar btaoge ye baat
The concluding statement from Mr. Thapar is a true respect to Mr.Dulat
Usual Monologue
Knowing the iron fist control of PM personally on every little initiative or action especially when it involves USA or even China , it bears his stamp of authority. Has Kuldip Yadav the fall guy been removed and some others ifit was not cleared from the very top. Even Mr Daulat is reluctant to speak forthrightly . Unfortunately one of the contact happen to be US covert operations chap and so the matter came to light .
Waste of time!!
RAW officials get good ass toasting with American agencies. American agencies are far more intelligent and have great inputs which made the operation botched up. Rajnath has given speech to get pok back and now he's escaping from facing the question.
Karen would like every interviewee to say the words confirming the preconceived narrative that he has decided before starting the interview.....😊😊
Ship of fools ☮️🇮🇳🤣
Mr Thapar looks more like a Prosecutor rather than Journalist!!! He always try to put his words in others mouth …
Dulat is a liar.
The comedy king of saying nothing.
Why will a intelligence officer admit to it that too in an interview. Waste of time.
Dear Karan Thapar, why you are wasting viewer's time with this kind of podcast. One us based newspaper has published one article and there is no proper evidence... and still you are asking all the hypothetical, baseless questions...twisting it as per your convinience and sometimes same questions repeated again with slight change...what you want to proove actually? please be abstain from this kind cheap talk and do something worth watching. Honestly, now i am thinking what extra relevant information i got from this podcast ?
Useless unidirectional interview !
इस्लाम इंसानियत के लिये सरदर्द बन चुका है. 🤕👈