I'm patiently waiting for them to recover documents from Franklin and Crozier's work desks in their cabins. Apparently paper is preserved in this cold environment and it'd be incredible if they could recover the copper plates from the camera taken on the expedition.
@@Aren-1997 Crozier's work desk looks immaculate-and being the British naval officer that he was he probably left everything in perfect order. If a bundle of papers inside a leather folder was left, they're probably in good shape. I'm sure Crozier left a log entry of what exactly happened and where he was trying to go before abandoning his ship. If anything the copper plates from the daguerreotype camera are probably in good shape also. It's definitely a tripod stand and case for the camera in his cabin. It's amazing how well preserved 'Terror' is. I do remember reading Farley Mowat discovering a cairn and the remains of a box with dovetail joints somewhere way south and it would have been the right time period. The more I study this the more this mystery pulls me in.
@@tomservo5347 Same! It's such an interesting mystery that has been constantly unravelling for 170 years or so, and we may just be about to see it finally solved fingers crossed.
@@tomservo5347 Whilst, written documents will almost certainly be recovered I sincerely doubt preserved daguerreotype plates will be found. Whilst I really hope I'm wrong, the process is a delicate and difficult process in the best conditions. The cold would have made using the apparatus extremely difficult, as far as I'm aware in future attempts at artic photographs keeping the chemicals within temperature range was incredibly difficult. However, let's assume Sir Harry Goodsir was able to keep the chemicals at the right temperature range and able to expose a few plates. Even once properly processed, the plates are very fragile both to physical and chemical damage. Most Daguerreotypes that are found today would have been processed and then immediately stored and kept in a stable environment. Now, 170 years underwater doesn't really fit that brief - as far as I'm aware the boxes were not built to be water-tight and it certainly isn't a temperature-stable environment. Again I really hope I'm wrong, however we should be realistic about the chances of recovering photographic evidence being really low.
I wouldn’t hold out hope for the ship’s logs. I imagine those surely would’ve been brought with the evacuating men, and was probably lost with them. Same with really any other papers of significant importance. Now mundane bureaucratic stuff, written orders, inventory lists, messages between ships, THOSE I bet will be found. And they will still tell us a lot about what happened.
The men who embarked on this ill-fated expedition all suffered terrible deaths. I can't even imagine the pain they had to endure prior to dying. I have been fascinated by this tragedy ever since I first heard about it. I have done considerable research on this expedition, and I just posted a video about it on my channel. The agony these poor men endured before they died is absolutely heartbreaking. They were starving, cold, and suffering from diseases such as scurvy and tuberculosis. Their final weeks upon this earth would have been sheer hell.
The crew was poisoned by improperly canned meat. The firm in England that packed the meat was owned by a crook (Stephen Goldner), who was the low bidder on the Admiralty contract. Analysis of some of the recovered cans found that lead solder (and arsenic based flux) was used to seal the cans-and many contained botulism spores. So the poor sick crew was in no shape to make an over ice trip to the mainland.
@@sirboomsalot4902 Sure, their decision making could've been influenced by lead induced bouts of hysteria leading to the ships becoming trapped, but it's still unrelated to the discovery of the wreck. It's an important fact, but it isn't relevant when inserted into every single piece of media related to the expedition.
@@braedenpatterson3228 Much more so than any tinned food. I don't think there was anything wrong with the food, and certainly if any was spoiled, the crew would discard it.
Way cool !....i just been getting into this tragic expedition story...way neat that they were able to locate the ships as well as the remains of the crew....RIP
thanks going to make it my next read. I seen another documentary about Amundsen's expedition. it was good. He succeeded because he used a smaller ship and learned basic survival skills from the Inuit people. those people live there all there lives. so 3 or 4 winter's should be survivable.
American Movie Classics TV has used Dan Simmons' book for their current video production, "The Terror." The remnants of Franklin expedition, traveling on the ice, is said to be "pursued by something that eats on four legs or two." Historical Horror comes to cable TV...
I bought a used copy of that off Amazon, after everyone saying how great it was on pretty much every video on you tube, having to do with Franklin, It's on my fiction section of my nightstand.
they found both ship wrecks. don't know why everybody in those days was looking for the northern passage. when every winter that part of the artic oceans are frozen in different coordinates every season. meaning the ice changes the passage. anyway this expedition was doomed from the door. the canned food they stored to survive winters was loaded with lead poisoning. they must of started to see each other like a thanksgiving dinner . hallucinating because of the lead poisoning.
@@00tonytone They went in the summer months, unfortunately it was still too iced up to get through. Plus nobody really knew what was up there, if they did they wouldn't be looking for a "northwest passage" to begin with.
Exploxer25 It takes a a lot to breathe and talk in a full face mask. It is the effort to talk clearly and loudly that does it, you wind up using almost a lung full of air for each sentance. (rescue diver working on dive master, I own two full face units with coms and have done some commercial jobs with teathered coms.)
I don't understand how a British Royal Navy boat that had been crewed by British sailors on a British expedition for the British government is now owned by the Canadian government.
For one, it was Canada's greatest most famous shipwreck. And for another thing, I don't think the British are exactly obliged to own a wreck in foreign waters halfway across the world.
wow I was just going to type that same exact thing. why is Canada the one giving the permits ,they even were the ones that allowed the 3 graves to be excavated. when the bodies and ships are British.
Tony Micel We give the permits because it's in OUR ocean, it's in OUR lore and history, and it's right off the coast of OUR arctic. That's why. And tell me, how would Britain exactly be able to claim a wreck is theirs when its in foreign waters, thousands of kilometres away from them?
How did the ships get where they were found at last latitude longitude they recorded then figure in time they were abbandoned...it don't add up maybe few Eskimo Joe's ⛵
There is a lot of Media and alot of people talking an awful lot but what about the people that died on those ships those are Graves and should be treated as such get a few things and take a few pics and then let them rest
Kyle, thats why the polar bears are starving, they cant float on the ice to dive down and go through our garbage dumps on the wrecks anymore....the penguins ate it all. For more up close and personal experiance in cold water diving contact your local PADI instructor. This may require you get off the play station (or worse...X box) and experiance the real world.
@n5sdm The Penguins ate all the Polar Bear's food, eh? Pretty impressive, considering they live on the opposite sides of the world from each other. My hat is off to the Penguins for reaching that far.
It's a 170 years old wreck on the bottom of the sea... WHAT THE HECK DID YOU EXPECT??????????? Actual EXPERTS praise how extraordinary well it has been preserved! You know, those archaeologists who deal with this kind of thing all the time... but what do they know, BklynBuild718 clearly isn't impressed!!!
The book The Terror by Dan Simmons is fictional. Read it if you will but a giant polar bear that has a shaman spirit inside of it, running around killing every body has no place in real history. It is just a silly story as any true Franklin student of fact will agree.
What's the point of your post? You don't have to be a "true Franklin student of fact" to understand the difference between a work of fiction and nonfiction. Anybody who looks up "The Terror" by Dan Simmons (which is clearly marked as horror fiction and NOT as nonfiction) and thinks they are reading a true historical account is simply a fool. I highly recommend "Erebus" by Michael Palin (the Monty Python one) if you want to read an excellent nonfiction book about this subject.
I'm patiently waiting for them to recover documents from Franklin and Crozier's work desks in their cabins. Apparently paper is preserved in this cold environment and it'd be incredible if they could recover the copper plates from the camera taken on the expedition.
Honestly would be such an amazing historical find! Shame COVID stopped them from proceeding last year, hopefully, they go on this year.
@@Aren-1997 Crozier's work desk looks immaculate-and being the British naval officer that he was he probably left everything in perfect order. If a bundle of papers inside a leather folder was left, they're probably in good shape. I'm sure Crozier left a log entry of what exactly happened and where he was trying to go before abandoning his ship. If anything the copper plates from the daguerreotype camera are probably in good shape also. It's definitely a tripod stand and case for the camera in his cabin. It's amazing how well preserved 'Terror' is. I do remember reading Farley Mowat discovering a cairn and the remains of a box with dovetail joints somewhere way south and it would have been the right time period. The more I study this the more this mystery pulls me in.
@@tomservo5347 Same! It's such an interesting mystery that has been constantly unravelling for 170 years or so, and we may just be about to see it finally solved fingers crossed.
@@tomservo5347 Whilst, written documents will almost certainly be recovered I sincerely doubt preserved daguerreotype plates will be found. Whilst I really hope I'm wrong, the process is a delicate and difficult process in the best conditions. The cold would have made using the apparatus extremely difficult, as far as I'm aware in future attempts at artic photographs keeping the chemicals within temperature range was incredibly difficult. However, let's assume Sir Harry Goodsir was able to keep the chemicals at the right temperature range and able to expose a few plates. Even once properly processed, the plates are very fragile both to physical and chemical damage. Most Daguerreotypes that are found today would have been processed and then immediately stored and kept in a stable environment. Now, 170 years underwater doesn't really fit that brief - as far as I'm aware the boxes were not built to be water-tight and it certainly isn't a temperature-stable environment. Again I really hope I'm wrong, however we should be realistic about the chances of recovering photographic evidence being really low.
I wouldn’t hold out hope for the ship’s logs. I imagine those surely would’ve been brought with the evacuating men, and was probably lost with them. Same with really any other papers of significant importance. Now mundane bureaucratic stuff, written orders, inventory lists, messages between ships, THOSE I bet will be found. And they will still tell us a lot about what happened.
The men who embarked on this ill-fated expedition all suffered terrible deaths. I can't even imagine the pain they had to endure prior to dying. I have been fascinated by this tragedy ever since I first heard about it. I have done considerable research on this expedition, and I just posted a video about it on my channel. The agony these poor men endured before they died is absolutely heartbreaking. They were starving, cold, and suffering from diseases such as scurvy and tuberculosis. Their final weeks upon this earth would have been sheer hell.
Did you find Tuunbaq ?
The ironic part of the story is one ship completed the linking of the passages. No one lived to tell though
The crew was poisoned by improperly canned meat. The firm in England that packed the meat was owned by a crook (Stephen Goldner), who was the low bidder on the Admiralty contract. Analysis of some of the recovered cans found that lead solder (and arsenic based flux) was used to seal the cans-and many contained botulism spores. So the poor sick crew was in no shape to make an over ice trip to the mainland.
How is this related to the Erebus being found
Daniel Flanard Because it’s one of the main reasons Erebus and Terror ended up on the bottom in the first place
@@sirboomsalot4902
Sure, their decision making could've been influenced by lead induced bouts of hysteria leading to the ships becoming trapped, but it's still unrelated to the discovery of the wreck. It's an important fact, but it isn't relevant when inserted into every single piece of media related to the expedition.
New evidence also suggests that the brand new lead pipes and water storage also played a significant factor
@@braedenpatterson3228 Much more so than any tinned food. I don't think there was anything wrong with the food, and certainly if any was spoiled, the crew would discard it.
i recall watching this the time Parks Canada finally closed the case of finding the lost ships... I have a bit of anxiety with the big kelp forest.
Franklin was my great great grandfather
Wad9591 he was a loser
Way cool !....i just been getting into this tragic expedition story...way neat that they were able to locate the ships as well as the remains of the crew....RIP
Nice video, shame about the bad lighting.
Apparently there's still one room that's locked and is unexplored..could the body of Franklin be in there???
If anyone wants to read a good book about this, read "The Terror" by Dan Simmons. Its excellent
thanks going to make it my next read. I seen another documentary about Amundsen's expedition. it was good. He succeeded because he used a smaller ship and learned basic survival skills from the Inuit people. those people live there all there lives. so 3 or 4 winter's should be survivable.
That book is fiction though.
American Movie Classics TV has used Dan Simmons' book for their current video production, "The Terror." The remnants of Franklin expedition, traveling on the ice, is said to be "pursued by something that eats on four legs or two." Historical Horror comes to cable TV...
I bought a used copy of that off Amazon, after everyone saying how great it was on pretty much every video on you tube, having to do with Franklin, It's on my fiction section of my nightstand.
Lachlan Bleackley Loved that book. Very well done historical fiction. Educational even tho fiction and entertaining
Wonderful video, thank you!
Does anyone think they will find the wreck of the Terror, and better yet, clues of what happened to the rest of the Franklin Expedition?
Terry Bardy found it
They had all the information they needed, at that time. But those "savages" will say anything for a fancy piece of string...
@TrapLordHodor natives i guess
The HMS TERROR must be fairly close--don;t you think?
Unless it was crushed by the ice.
***** Yeah I heard about that! Amazing! And in much better condition than Erebus.
they found both ship wrecks. don't know why everybody in those days was looking for the northern passage. when every winter that part of the artic oceans are frozen in different coordinates every season. meaning the ice changes the passage. anyway this expedition was doomed from the door. the canned food they stored to survive winters was loaded with lead poisoning. they must of started to see each other like a thanksgiving dinner . hallucinating because of the lead poisoning.
Tony Micel They looked for the Northwest passage because the British wanted faster trade routs with China that wouldn't put them in hostile waters.
@@00tonytone They went in the summer months, unfortunately it was still too iced up to get through. Plus nobody really knew what was up there, if they did they wouldn't be looking for a "northwest passage" to begin with.
Where are the artifacts?
Lol. The diver sounds exactly like max Keiser
Oh my goodness I thought the same!
I look like max. .
Let’s bring some artifacts to the surface.
yep its not a Franklin Expedition anymore its a bob side show Expedition
James Fitzjames lol, I still prefer Boaty McBoatface tho
So dangerous what they do underwater and in COLD SHARK INFESTED WATERS¡¡¡!! Stay safe and keep up the EXCELLENT WORK!!!!
Not brass, bronze cannons
Alright man get to it!
The ship is so crushed can't even make out what I'm seeng
That just sounds like any shipwreck
Looks like a huge fish tank get that baby up from water!
well done!
Sounds like he is having hard time breathing
Exploxer25 It takes a a lot to breathe and talk in a full face mask. It is the effort to talk clearly and loudly that does it, you wind up using almost a lung full of air for each sentance. (rescue diver working on dive master, I own two full face units with coms and have done some commercial jobs with teathered coms.)
Hey buddy you seem like you're having a hard time breathing underwater.
I don't understand how a British Royal Navy boat that had been crewed by British sailors on a British expedition for the British government is now owned by the Canadian government.
For one, it was Canada's greatest most famous shipwreck. And for another thing, I don't think the British are exactly obliged to own a wreck in foreign waters halfway across the world.
well lies in Canadian Water and as it a famous ship it protected By National Historic Site of Canada.
wow I was just going to type that same exact thing. why is Canada the one giving the permits ,they even were the ones that allowed the 3 graves to be excavated. when the bodies and ships are British.
Tony Micel We give the permits because it's in OUR ocean, it's in OUR lore and history, and it's right off the coast of OUR arctic. That's why. And tell me, how would Britain exactly be able to claim a wreck is theirs when its in foreign waters, thousands of kilometres away from them?
Exactly Tony Micel, and Canadians are the ones paying for it's recovery. You can come visit it in a museum someday though.
Tell them to watch out. There is a man bear pig out there somewhere.
sweet !
so cool
How did the ships get where they were found at last latitude longitude they recorded then figure in time they were abbandoned...it don't add up maybe few Eskimo Joe's ⛵
ice moved them, or when eventually free they drifted then sank
Geez, this video is poorly lighted. Next time take some lighting with you.
There is a lot of Media and alot of people talking an awful lot but what about the people that died on those ships those are Graves and should be treated as such get a few things and take a few pics and then let them rest
What I would given to be those men at that time
This was annoying to listen to
It is even more annoying that this seems to be the only thing you have to say about the remarkable content of this video...
this is very disturbing...I see no sea life..wake up people!
Kyle Sherman what are we waking up about? Are you one of those nutters that sees conspiracies everywhere?
Kyle, thats why the polar bears are starving, they cant float on the ice to dive down and go through our garbage dumps on the wrecks anymore....the penguins ate it all. For more up close and personal experiance in cold water diving contact your local PADI instructor. This may require you get off the play station (or worse...X box) and experiance the real world.
@n5sdm The Penguins ate all the Polar Bear's food, eh?
Pretty impressive, considering they live on the opposite sides of the world from each other. My hat is off to the Penguins for reaching that far.
@@n5sdm
What are you even talking about. You start out sounding like you concur but then change it to an insult.
So basically you can’t tell what anything is... make a better video!!!
It's a 170 years old wreck on the bottom of the sea... WHAT THE HECK DID YOU EXPECT???????????
Actual EXPERTS praise how extraordinary well it has been preserved! You know, those archaeologists who deal with this kind of thing all the time... but what do they know, BklynBuild718 clearly isn't impressed!!!
The book The Terror by Dan Simmons is fictional. Read it if you will but a giant polar bear that has a shaman spirit inside of it, running around killing every body has no place in real history. It is just a silly story as any true Franklin student of fact will agree.
What's the point of your post? You don't have to be a "true Franklin student of fact" to understand the difference between a work of fiction and nonfiction.
Anybody who looks up "The Terror" by Dan Simmons (which is clearly marked as horror fiction and NOT as nonfiction) and thinks they are reading a true historical account is simply a fool. I highly recommend "Erebus" by Michael Palin (the Monty Python one) if you want to read an excellent nonfiction book about this subject.
What is it with snobs and their war against historical fiction.