I stand by the theory that Morris was 'standing in the way of Jehovah's chariot', and got run over by it. Certainly the 'new light' came fast after he departed.
Thank you for your kind words. Well, I guess that's why the GB felt safe in giving him the boot. The fact that he has too much to lose if he started speaking out. That's why we'll never find out the actual actual reason. But there's enough clues to try and make sense of what happened.
This is by far the best and most complete account I’ve yet come across on this subject. I especially liked the systematic way you debunked each of the plausible rival hypotheses for Tony’s removal and why he is staying quiet. Well done and thanks!
This org actually has to let rank and file know why he was removed! Imagine this man was continually telling us to TRUST us FDS or Anointed! And just leaves without letting us know why!? Believers were DONATING his livings and trips like assemblies! Disrespectful and Not telling the Truth as an ORG who tells their rank and file to always be truthful!
He didn't just leave, there were way too many clips posted of him buying expensive booze at the liquor store. Also there's a woman making accusations that Uncle Tony had been molesting her and her sister when they were growing up in his congregation.
@@rhondahart2416Whatever happened to that woman? She was making a lot of noise like she was gonna completely expose Anthony Morris and take him down, but then she just vanished lol. Hope she's alright if she was telling the truth about him.
@@ProlificPops Maybe she has a case to build because you can't just accuse someone of something like that without reprocussions. I do hope she is not being threatened. She should join in with the Attorney General of PA. on their investigations of child molestation.
@@rhondahart2416 If she was telling the truth, I hope she's working on building a case right now because if she fully commits to pressing charges and has viable evidence against him, things could get extremely interesting with this Anthony Morris mystery and with the leadership of this organization.
Probably signed an agreement to not disclose anything after the organization appears to have taken care of him. He moved into a home and the question is, where did he get the money? Who is taking care of his daily needs?
I agree with you. I also believe his “dogmatic” self won’t be missed by the current GB. A term used over and over again by the GB speakers at the Annual Meeting (“we can’t be dogmatic”). Also, there must have been whispers of nepotism with regard to his son’s appointment to the US branch committee. I’m sure it won’t earn the son any popularity points, especially with Dad now unable to protect or promote him. Thanks for a well thought out and balanced assessment.
They could have had disagreements on doctrines and he wasn’t yielding to major things. He was probably voted out. That announcement was very cold for someone who left on a good note. He once visited the South African branch and was so unkind and moody when he left, Bethelites were saying the branch committee said he was sick the entire time hence why he wasn’t kind. I saw him at a South African convention, he didn’t want to be greeted. 😂 Even in his videos you could see he was an unkind man.
I can see why this theory is appealing but as I've shown in the video from the actual words of Governing Body members, the Governing Body has no issue with having doctrinal disagreements amongst themselves. They can sit out decisions for years, with Splane giving an example of a standoff that lasted 10 years. No one was removed from the Governing Body for that. All the evidence we have is Morris supported all the recent changes made up until his removal, including the hour reduction for pioneers. Yes, the announcement was brief but what else where they to say especially if the reason for his removal was deemed embarrassing? The fact that they hid the announcement on the website to me suggests they wanted to preserve his dignity as much as possible.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns you have to also consider that the majority of them might have wanted to steamroll a couple of changes without having to wait for ‘10 years’ and therefore his removal was necessary for them to make unanimous decisions
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsYes, the GB want to maintain his dignity by removing him without explanation due in part to his alcoholism and increased inability to talk coherently even via non visual recordings, in order to remain active as a GB member. In other words they probably and most plausably had no choice but to remove him as he was mentally affected by alcoholism to the point of no longer able to serve in a mentally balanced position anymore. Maybe alcoholism became out of his control and a bad habit he couldn't shake off, to the point of no longer able to intellegently serve as a GB member....However, the GB members appreciated all those years he faithfully served as an elder and eventual member of the GB. Plus the fact that his wife and children still faithfully serve in the JW Organisation. Like Anthony Morris 3rd said in one of his speeches, we're only human!
@@diannelesley1954 This is an interesting theory and I can see why it's appealing. One of the things I wanted to touch on and really should have in the video was his removal was very quick and sudden. I don't think he became incoherent and unintelligible or that his alcoholism got out of hand. Remember he fronted the December Governing Body update. That was literally weeks before his removal. Also he had a morning worship video that was due to be part of the March 2023 JW broadcasting and they scrapped it at the 11th hour. So I don't think even Governing Body members were expecting his removal. In other words this was not a long-running agenda item of "We need to remove Tony"
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Odd, isn't it? You would think that JW's that left of their own volition would move on to something new. I hope I find something positive and new to focus on in my life, instead of looking for faults and speculating about everything. I think I might start a charity for "Widows and Orphans".
I was of the opinion that Tony Morris stood in the way of the changes that they're making.. I still think he was a liability because of his loose tongue. However, your arguments makes sense... Thank you ...
Hai chaka,its been more than a decade since we left high school Am not very sure if you are to recognise me.while,I took time to watch and listen to about two videos...I actually didn't realise that at that te you were not yet baptised..your conduct was exceptional am truly amazed that you progressed spiritually and you were inspired to become a secure overseer..quiet commendable! I got concerned when I learnt about Michael sikongolo leaving the organisation and I took te to ask him fir the book that had his reasons for leaving .honestly am not in a space to be judgemental but am interested to understand more of what you discovered..I have alot of questions ..despite the discoveries I believe you have a positive part of having been in the organisation which could be useful and worth sharing I guess..well am looking forward to hearing more..
@@shiellangoma320 Hi Sheilla! Thanks for getting in touch. Of course I remember you. I've sent you a request on Facebook. You can also get in touch via my email: television2087@gmail.com. It would be good to catch up😊
Interesting analysis. I’m not sure that WT’s treatment of Jesse is indicative of AMIII still being in the good graces of the GB. In fact, if there was actual bad blood between AMIII and the GB, that would make it MORE likely for Jesse Morris to get privileges, not less. It’s the GB’s way of saying “Everyone renders an account and we’re not pointing a finger at you for what your father has done.” Also, no offense, but I would disagree that you sufficiently debunked the idea that AMIII was removed for disagreeing with the GB. We’ll probably never know what happened to ToMo, I appreciate your thorough look at the situation though.
Thank you for watching my video. Well, we can only go by the words of actual GB members. We've heard from the mouths of two GB members that a policy disagreement is not a reason to remove someone from the GB. And they are willing to wait for years even up to a decade until all GB members come round.
Since when do we believe anything the GB says. After all that I have seen and heard from this organization, a lot of their information from broadcasts, videos, publications, and court cases are lies, half-truths, or extremely misleading. That's why they get away with so much. Maybe the truth is a combination bottlegate (not the buying of the liquor itself, but rather the drinking and what may come out of his mouth when a little tipsy), and health issues like Alzheimer's, which could be a possibility. In that scenario, he wouldn't even realize that he's going back in time and could do a lot of harm. isn't it fun to speculate! 🤭@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
we also have to use discernment when listening to what the GB says because they can twist their words to fit their own agenda. There’s several court cases in several countries that prove this.
@32 min...if they were truly guided by holy spirt it would not take them many years to be sure if the decision being made is truly correct to make the change smh
Such a great point! In the video I showed an excerpt of, where Splane is saying it can take them 10+ years to make a change, in the full video he gives an example of Branches from lesser affluent countries writing in saying publishers couldn't afford to travel to the meetings 3 times a week. And yet it still took them 10 years to make the change. So much for a loving and caring organisation, right? These are cold, callous and uncaring company men whose only interest is to protect their positions at the top and to feel they have power and control over people's lives😢
Your comment is completely wrong! HOLY SPIRIT does not tell you the answer to something as if Santa Claus Holy Spirit just came through your door.. it's like the Bible says: go on perceiving what the will of God is.. so it's something that takes time to understand.. just as it says In Daniel "and true knowledge will slowly become abundant as that day approaches". Holy Spirit is something that takes time to fully understand...
If Anthony Morris left the Governing Body for legal reasons, how come his videos are still available for viewing in the Governing Body updates and JW-Broadcasting monthly programmes, for example? How do you explain that?
Good question. I don't think he left for legal reasons. In my video I suggest that he recently committed a Judicial offense which was knowledgeable to people outside the GB, rendering him no longer "free from accusation." His morning worship videos may have been removed for legal reasons, given morning worship talks are formulated by the speaker and not based on an approved outline. With regards to his other content, they can always argue that he was speaking on behalf of the GB as he was speaking from an approved outline. The fact that most of his videos are still available also suggests to me that AMIII is still viewed favourably by the remaining GB members. In other words, their hand was forced when it came to removing him.
Could it possibly be anything to do with a photo of him in a store with a trolley full of booze ? He wasn’t in any way unpleasant, but not good PR for a member of the GB.
Nah, he wasn't breaking any of the JW rules and even if they thought it was that bad why wait nearly 3 years when the whole thing had all but been forgotten? Yes, it was bad for PR but the GB have survived worse PR blunders. Think Gerrit Losch saying: "I do not work for Watchtower." Or Geoffrey Jackson's embarrassment at the Australian Royal Commission.
@@beautyRest1 I highly doubt it. It seems the GB themselves where not expecting his exit. He fronted the December 2022 GB update. And his morning worship video was meant to be part of the March JW broadcast but was scrapped at the last minute after he was removed
Maybe it'll come up later in the video, but even before "bottlegate", Tony was obviously inebriated in many broadcasts. My money is on his alcohol addiction getting too obvious.
There are a lot of alcoholic JWs both on bodies of elders and at bethels around the world. Short of someone getting intoxicated and going around being a nuisance to people it's not that straightforward to make a case against someone based on that. During my whole time as an elder I can only remember one person being disfellowshipped over alcohol and that's because his alcoholism had become public over a period of many years.
Interesting! I heard a few years ago from someone who had been at US bethel that Paul had left Bethel and was pioneering. But that was a good few years ago.
It's not that he was buying booze. He was caught on camera buying a bunch of expensive booze with what money? Personal wealth ? They encourage people to quit their jobs and pioneer.
I am no longer serving as one of JW, hard to support with all the contradicted information and hypocrisy I saw. " Elders, don't buy a house, it will be hard to make it into God's kingdom if you aquire wealth," results- Most of the elders have 4-5 bedroom homes and wealth 😂, in certain areas you are looked down on for living in an apartment or being of little means. So called friends - " receive free give free." Results - the pioneers talk about the friends who do not drive or give gas money.😂 Elders, " Do not gossip, it is the works of the flesh." Results- they will invite you over to their home or work out in service with you to find out your business or that of others. Elders, don't commit sexual immorality. Results- my grandkids are suspected of being molested by my ex husband and you are more focused on my submission of field service time? Rather I left to be with a non believer? ( I left to go to a domestic violence shelter). He told the brothers I was mentally ill and it walked 😳 I became the bad guy and was even offered bible counseling to return back to my abusive ex who was a double agent ( Hebrew Israelite) then to top it off, the publications do not reflect all nations, all styles and if you are ethnic, you have to pray you fit in speech wise etc. it is so much I can say but I will say this........ I trust God, I believe in his son but he gave me free will and why am I allowing man to control me when The Most High gave me free will? 🤔 I will take my chances on Judgement day. I have been apart of this since I was 19 years old. Now that I am free, I am living without anxiety of being destroyed. For the ones who think I am out sinning all over the place..... No I still live my life by bible standards between me and God but I make my own decisions, keep my money in my pocket in this bad economy, and not labeled as bad association because I want to put a tailored red dress on. 😳 I pray for the innocent to get out..., in my opinion noone of color or free thinking should be here. ITS A BUSINESS! I have saved money, gas, car repairs and can think free. I am sure this will get me labelled as a apostate but who cares, I am freeeeeeeee. I am never returning. I'm free!
Appreciation for the very well thought layout of cases possibly not reasons for Anthony Morris's ouster from the GB. However, not to be too picky, the channel name,im just wondering why u named it as such, because some may think it controversial thanks.
They are a secret society, so good luck on ever finding out the real deal on this. 😏. They have always try to portray this image of being transparent, yet have never,ever broken down to us where does the donations go toward specifically, accounting wise. 😳. They have always just broadstroke it’s use. 🤨
Thank you for this analysis. I understand that members of the Bethel Family including the top leadership of the organization take a "vov of poverty" which puts the financial care of them on the shoulders of the organization and not on the government of the United States, for example through Medicare and Social Security. So when one decides to leave the organization or are removed, they forfeit those benefits. I think it may have been the case for Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap back in the 1980's. So if that is true, then the organization has another strong leverage over someone like Anthony Morris III. In addition to his concern for being shunned by his sons and others, he would be at risk for losing his ongoing support in his elder years. Who knows that the place where he is now living is part of the settlement, that becomes a strong influence in addition to that which you mentioned. Finally, if there is some serious sin that is known by some other parties to what may have happened to cause his removal, one cannot help but think that it all will come out one day, into the light where it belongs. Let me know what you think about this. Thanks again for this report.
Great points! I totally agree with you. He has too much to lose by starting to run his mouth. I also believe the fact that he has kids who could potentially shun him was one of the reasons the GB found it easy to let go of him. Because in this age of the Internet if they had another Ray Franz situation it would literally bring the organisation down.
Anthony wasn’t ousted, the reason he was asked to step down was because the apostates were constantly gunning for him, Anthony was quite outspoken and the Apostates jumped on that and it gave them ammunition to use against the society, absolutely nothing to do with buying alcohol or falling out with the other members! It’s as simple as that!!!
Winder`s explanation of how "new light "comes about is total nonsense. What he is describing is what happens all the time in the board room of any business or corporation in discussing how to move the business forward. Sometimes this develops into a power struggle between different factions on the board each trying to get their way on the matter. I believe this is what has happened with these nine men, with Sanderson trying to take control as he has a very high opinion of himself. As most of us know, money is the prime concern of this organisation and they can see a loss of income with their " charitable" status being investigated and government funding being lost. Clearly doctrine comes a poor second to monetary matters so they are prepared to change their beliefs to try and curry favour with the governments who they describe as the tool of Satan .The best way to succeed in this is to remove anyone who could be a problem to them in achieving this. Perhaps that problem could have been Morris.
Is there any reason why Winder would lie about the process which they use to come up with doctrines and policies? It's not like this process makes the Governing Body look good. Quite the contrary. I can see why people have bought into the theory of a power struggle, as most people love a good conspiracy theory, but where's the evidence for that? Also, AMIII was on the GB for nearly 18 years from 2005. If he was such a problem why didn't more senior members like Jaracz, Barr, Barber and Schroeder show him the door. Finally, people who continue promoting this theory of a power struggle conveniently leave out the fact that a lot of the changes the GB have implemented in recent years, including the reduction of pioneer hours, have happened under the watch of AMIII.
It`s not a question of him lying, The nonsense is the claim that it is Jehovah that is guiding these changes that often take years to implement when in fact it is a group of men coming up with pragmatic decisions which are designed to move their business forward and are the complete opposite to what they believed before .In recent times the changes that have been made have changed their beliefs beyond all recognition compared to when I was a JW. Most of them have been designed to lighten the burden they place on their members in order to keep them in and to soften their appearance in the eyes of governments to retain their grants.@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
In times past the GB members have voted on changes, and I believe at least a two thirds majority was required. But now Winder is telling us there must be unanimous agreement on a matter before they consider it "Jehovah's direction"! So, does that mean that all their previous decisions that were not unanimous were NOT Jehovahs direction? Perhaps the GB felt the organisation was suffering (errors, slowing/stagnant growth, legal issues, bad publicity) because they were not following Jehovahs direction and therefore implemented this change in how they decide on "new light".
@@Rupunzelsawake yep, the whole thing is a joke. Maybe they revised the policy after Ray Franz outed them on it in Crisis of Conscience. At the end of the day, the question is if this is the one channel God uses to communicate with mankind why do they need rules on "unanimity" or "two thirds" to make even simple decisions related to beards or counting time preaching? Shouldn't the only question be "Is it in the Bible or is it not?" The more they try to explain themselves the more ridiculous they look )))
I agree. I think any relationship at all with publishers/members, is simply transactional. I look forward to the GB and the organization right down to rank and file being exposed world wide for what they are.
Don't forget that there are a number of transgressions that warrant the formation of a judicial committee. In his progressed age it is rarely a sexual sin, but most often - in my experience from back in the days - a not so modest intake of alcohol. I agree that bottlegate is most definitely NOT the reason, as that could be due to many circumstances. Imagine AM3 was to host an event to celebrate his 20 years in full time service, and wanted to give just a tiny drink after dinner, and given the fact he is of Irish descent it would not be completely uncommon for him to serve some Irish Whiskey. And if he bought even 20 or 30 bottles, that wouldn't even be enough for one glass for each of an attendance of 6-700 members of the Bethel family, let alone the entire Bethel family of about 6000 members. So that amount of Whiskey is by no means alarming at all. BUIT ... his speech has been quite slurry on many occasions, and he has been giggling a bit too much about his own morbid jokes. So that - in my opinion - boils it down to two possibilities. He might have been caught overly tipsy once too many to overlook. And they have given him some sort of ultimatum. about not drinking ever again, and if he has a problem with alcohol it would only be a matter of time before he breaks that wov. The other thing most people overlook is the possibility that he is suffering from a progressive illness - which would also explain his more and more slurry appearances when speaking on JW Broadcast. He might have early stages of Alzheimers and to protect himself he resigns from a position in the spotlight, and to relieve himself of the stress it undoubtedly is to serve on the GB, he may very well just be following the doctor's orders on this one. Not all illnesses prevent members from staying on. The fourth president (Frederick Franz) stayed president and GB member until his death at 99 despite him being blind for the last two years due to some ailment of the eye. Nathan Knorr also remained president until his death although with others taking on his duties the last couple of months as he died quite young (in his seventies) of colon cancer. But some diseases has a deteriorating impact on your cognitive abilities as well as your speech, so it would become clearer and clearer that something was wrong. One could argue that it would be said if he pulled back due to ill health, but each person are different. He might have asked of them not to mention his illness simply because he doesn't want that kind of attention it gives when a governing body member has to resign and all the many rank-and-file members that would come to him asking about his health would be totally overwhelming and not what you need when seriously ill. So these are two very simple and at the same time very plausible explanations for his deletion as a member of the GB, that most tend to overlook, i believe.
You make a strong and interesting case. However, if it was due to illness why delete his 12 morning worship videos? Why pull the last video that was meant to be part of the March 2023 JW Broadcasting at the last minute. As I've argued in the video, I'm pretty certain it wasn't due to illness as we don't have precedent of a GB member being deleted for that reason and they most definitely would not be removing his videos if he had left honourably. I'm also pretty certain it wasn't alcohol related as a lot of JW elders, bethelites etc drink excessively and still manage to keep their positions. I think it was some other sin, very likely a historical sin and the rest of the GB were forced to give him the boot to prevent a scandal. They were very likely being blackmailed and have probably paid the blackmailer to keep quiet. Some GB members like Lett are famously wealthy so they could even have paid from their own pockets to keep the thing quiet. I suspect AMIII is still very much a believing JW and despite feeling stung by his removal from the GB he has accepted the decision as he understands he messed up.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns I actually agere with your point of his videos being deleted. A little interesting tidbit, though. His appearance in videos in Danish, either dubbed or subtitled (I'm from Denmark) has not been deleted. I noticed since I used some of the videos on my XJV information website, and I needed a few clips without sound as a b-roll and therefore downloaded the English version and noticed that the "Faith in action 1+2" are both 1-2 minutes shorter than the Danish versions and when going through them meticulously I could see that the parts with AM3 was kept in the subtitled versions and only deleted in the English language versions. Well as for the drinking, I think two things must be taken into consideration. I have also witnessed excessive drinking amongst elders and servants and on bethel (my parents served at bethel for almost 25 years from I was 19 years old as my father was asked to join Bethel as he was a professor at the university in Computer Science so they needed him in that capacity. But you are absolutely right about the widespread use of alcohol. But members of the GB are still required to adhere to a higher standard than even the rest of the bethelites, and MUST be beyond reproach. I have seen even ordinary elders being disfellowshipped or at least stripped of their privileges simply for excessive drinking. On other instances the drinking has led to a car accident and suddenly there is a public police record, and that automatically invokes at least a private reproof and often a public reproof or even a DF'ing. In my last congregation an elder had a company making window tinting and he crashed into a light pole with his pickup truck, and the press immediately came and took pictures and in the papers the next day everyone recognized the truck with the company logo on the side and saw the headlines "SunTint CEO in DUI accident". Maybe AM3 has either had to be pulled up from a ditch after crashing with a car or maybe showed up visibly drunk at a meeting. That simply cannot be left without consequences. People would know and the society would not be able to withstand that kind of scandal. So in such cases they would have to make him leave. As for the illness I agree many has stayed on. But they have not suffered illnesses that impaired their cognitive abilities, such as perhaps Alzheimer's or other for,s of dementia. If that is the case one could not have AM3 stay on the GB as he would soon begin to say incoherent stuff og go on rants that are not in line with "present truth", etc. And both for the sake of the organisation and for the sake of his own dignity they might have relieved him of his duties on the GB, but since illness is a personal matter, not everyone wants an announcement about their health made to the entire community of JWs". I can easily imagine they would terminate his service on the GB before such a horrible illness progressed to a stage where he might say unpredictable things in public that might upset many. Maybe his obsession with the most ridiculous things such a tight pants, and his constant rants against homosexuals was some of the early signs of a progressive illness of the brain. But your argument about deleting his material on the JW website certainly lends itself to the conclusion that he has to be erased totally from the history of the Governing Body. So I actually agree with that argument. He is definitely out in good standing as he is now living in a nice house which is one of two adjacent (but not semi-attached) houses that belongs to the Watchtower Society, and some have even found him in the phone directory for that area of upstate New York and published a Google Streetview picture of the house. Both the house where the Morris couple lives and the house next door are property of Watchtower Society, so these houses are probably bought when they also bought land in Warwick so they will have such senior homes for long time members serving in high positions at the Headquarters but unable to care for themselves anymore. I know they also have a nursing wing for the bethelites of old age and widows, that can stay in bethel until they pass away. But in the Street View picture of the house one could recognize the Japanese car that Tony Morris was also seen in, in the "infamous" video from the liqueur store. It wasn't a mansion like Rutherford beth-sarim in San Diego, but it looks like a nice 3-4 bedroom house with a double garage, in a rather nice neighbourhood in upstate New York. So I agree he is out in "good standing", but I don't see any reason to rule out heavy drinking. Especially if caught visibly intoxicated in public or even having either been pulled over and fined for a DUI, or even been in a traffic accident while drunk driving. That would also lead to the stripping a regular elder of all privileges as a minimum response to such a public offence. Drinking in private settings and even a quite large gatherings amongst Jehovah's Witnesses are often overlooked - I totally agree. That is often seen in various settings such as weddings, wedding anniversaries, etc. and of course often at private parties. Up until few years before the serving of food at conventions in Denmark (about 30 years ago) they even served beer at Danish conventions, and I also heard they did the same in Germany and France, but that is only hearsay. I have only witnessed it myself in Denmark. That also lead to some embarrassing episodes and the last couple of years they only served light beer. But the Danes refused to stop drinking beer at conventions entirely.🤣😂
@@beninua You make very good points and broadly speaking I agree. Very interesting about the Danish translators not getting round to editing him out of the Faith in Action videos. I guess it's just a matter of when not if, that is if it does not escape their radar completely. I suspect there are some legal reasons as to why he's been removed from some videos and not others. My theory is that it has to do with whether he was reading from a script / teleprompter or approved outline or whether he was speaking off the cuff. They have deleted the videos where he was speaking off the cuff such as the morning worship ones and left the scripted / outlined ones. I guess their rationale is that in the scripted / outlined ones they could argue that he was just presenting the views of the organisation regardless of his personal opinion and therefore there is no need to delete those videos even though he is no longer a GB member. It's harder to make a similar case with his other videos where he just spoke with no approved outline especially if there are legal reasons that necessitated his removal. Having said that, the fact that they kept most of his videos suggests to me that he is still in very good books with the remaining GB members. It also suggests that removing him was very much against their wishes and a last resort. This is one of the main reasons I suggest he is unlikely to speak out. Regarding his cognitive impairment, that is always a possibility for a man his age and also given the possibility of his excessive use of alcohol. However, I struggle to see how that would lead to his removal from the GB. You could argue that currently Gerrit Losch and Samuel Herd are more cognitively impaired than AMIII. Both are now restricted to doing prerecorded talks that they read from teleprompters. If the GB were concerned about his lunatic rantings they could have easily just restricted him to teleprompter talks as they've done with Herd and Losch. Also, it's not unheard of for a GB member to be severely cognitively impaired and still have major input in the doctrines and runnings of the organisation. A point in case is Karl F. Klein who in his twilight years was struggling mentally. This didn't stop him from coming up with the idea that Jehovah's name didn't need to be vindicated and only his sovereignty needed to be vindicated. This continued to be the official doctrine for well over two decades after his death. Similar with Tony. You could argue that his tight pants rantings were extraordinary. But they very quickly became the official policy and made it into the Watchtower and CO guidelines and they still very much remain the official policy today. I do agree that his drinking could have led to an incident that became of public record. This would make him "irreprehensible" according to their doctrines. It's just interesting though how senior members of the organisation are treated differently to the rank and file. For example, I remember in the early 2000s there was a prominent district overseer in my home country that was removed for some misdemeanor. Although he no longer "qualified" to be an elder and was deemed not "exemplary" he still maintained his special pioneer status and was entitled to an allowance. Very interesting about beer being served at conventions in Denmark. I'd come just for the beer hahaha. Final point, I think AMIII is in North Carolina and not in upstate NY.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns To your final point: You may very well be right. I am not an expert in US geography, and I only wrote based on my recollection that he had been given a house, and I remembered it as being in upstate New York, but on that point I may VERY well be wrong. I just remember seing the video where someone had presented the streetview of the address and showed the directory where his name (and Mrs. Morris) was listed on that particular adress. But I will not even begin to argue with you on that one, because I am absolutely convinced you are right. It is absolutely true that the way up the ladder is what takes hard work. Staying on the ladder is quite easy if you've reached some level of privilege in the organization. And I totally agree. They do have some distinction between the severity of sins although the Bible doesn't. Although the Bible doesn't have a distinction between the severity of the sins that usually are mentioned as disfellowshipping offences in the "Shepherd the Flock" book, there are some unwritten distinction between sexual immorality and drunkenness. And one that I have never seen invoked is gluttony. I have never seen anyone being either reproved or disfellowshipped for gluttony, although I have see morbidly obese brothers and sisters in many congregations, and not just some with some disease, but they also eat like there was no tomorrow on gatherings, to an extent that made others cringe or even feel sick. But I guess that this is a topic that is very hard to approach another person with, as it is very much a matter of personal taste what is too much and what is not. But it is still strange so much emphasis that are put on the sexual sins. The only things I have personally seen people disfellowshipped for in my 30 years in the JW organisation are sexual sins (mostly infidelity and sex between unmarried people, and a few instances of homosexuality), and fraud (such as business owners who got caught cheating on their tax returns, or tax evasion doing menial work in their spare time). I have seen a few reproved for being drunk on large gatherings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and I also remember a sister who strangely enough would never share her coffee from her thermos when the congregation was on an outing, but it turned out she had spiked her coffee with vodka. But she was not disfellowshipped but several times publicly reproved. Well now I think of it I remember one brother from when I was very young that was disfellowshipped in our congregation, and it was a very strange sin, because although he was a bastard I am not exactly sure what biblical principle that was applied, but he was disfellowshipped because he owned some apartment buildings and he took way too high rent and did not keep his part of the obligations towards tenants, and did not repair a roof where rain was dripping in to the apartments, and he neglected a lot of his obligations, so basically he was an exploiter of other people in need, and that is of course not "very Christ-like" and I think that must be their reason. But that is by far the most peculiar reason for disfellowshipping I've witnessed. Before I was born a brother in my grandmother's congregation was disfellowshipped, because he had an antiques store where he specialized in antique paintings from the 1800's and he sold a lot of paintings like that, until one of his buyers complained and reported him to the police for having sold a painting that allegedly was 150 years old and "originally hung in some nearby castle owned by some baron". But when he hung up the picture on the wall he got wet paint on his clothes and fingers whereby he discovered that the painting was not 150 years old, probably not even 150 hours old. This story reached the press and the scandal became huge because many of his buyers got their paintings appraised after the publication of the story in the local newspaper and it turned out they were all painted by some imposter that knew the technique but only made cheap copies. The end of the story was that he went straight from being what was then called the congregation servant (later the Presiding Overseer) and to prison, where he served one year for fraud. He was disfellowshipped and after serving the year he never came back to the congregation and a few months later he shot himself in shame. I remember my grandfather always said - even while the antique dealer was still the head of the congregation - that he knew there was something off with this man. My grandfather was not a JW, but he always stayed friendly with them all and they often came in the house to see my grandmother. And sometimes my grandfather went with my grandmother to a meeting just to say hello to a few of the members that befriended him. But he was a professional poker player and never wanted to give up that life, but he had could smell dishonesty from a mile away, and he always said to my Grandma: "That pastor of yours is an impostor!". She, of course, would hear nothing of it, but he couldn't resist a "Told you so" when the man was thrown in jail by the court, and it was all over the news. Last but not least. I like the seriousness of your channel. I am always pleased to see some that present well researched arguments, who doesn't just lend their channel to all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories about AM3 being the head of a pedophile ring and that was the reason he was thrown out, as I've heard someone claim, although there is absolutely NO proof backing such a ridiculous claim. It takes more courage than one would think to do the right thing and only present well researched material and not just make up some sensationalist tabloid stories. Sometimes I have asked someone presenting unwarranted claims, to back their stories with some kind of evidence or argument, and sadly many people that just love these stories have made me the bad guy and scolded me viciously for being an apologetic - which couldn't be further from the truth. First and foremost I am an atheist and have been for decades now, but furthermore I have an information website in Danish because very few Jehovah's Witnesses have had the chances I had and went to university, so there is a lack of material in their own language as it is rather tedious for those with no or little education besides elementary school, to sit through a one our podcast or video, so I took it upon myself to present material in Danish. I also contacted some of the best providers of content on JW, to make arrangements for me to make subtitles for some of their material and then link to their Videos from my website. That way the original content owner still get the views, but Danes can watch the video with Danish subtitles. (I worked 9 years for a production company that made documentaries and news material for local TV stations, and I was - amongst other things - one of the subtitlers that made Danish subtitles for videos in English, German, Swedish, Norwegian and a little Faroese. So that made the leap towards making subtitles for the best ExJW material very obvious, and I am glad to say that I get a lot of positive feedback. My point of the importance of all material being truthful and well researched, is of course that claims that can easily be disproven will immediately become their proof that everything that ExJWs have to say are slander and lies. And that is indeed counter-productive. Therefore, I vehemently advocate that you only use material from credible sources that can be verified and that can stand up to a closer investigation. If we don't I believe we only shoot ourselves in the foot, and in the end push back the movement many years, by undermining the credibility of both the less serious as well as those of us that are diligent in all our research and who carefully select material that stand up to scutiny. Thanks again for a brilliant video, with some very interesting points on the unique case of Tony Morris and the way he so rapidly disappeared into oblivion. It was interesting indeed.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns As for if the Danish Branch will remaster the translated versions of videos containing material with Tony Morris, I think that it may not be such a priority as there might be more people in the US in the circles around the GB who know the reason for why AM3 was deleted as a GB member, and therefore it is not considered of vital importance here in Denmark. I don't think anything would slip "under the radar", and if the HQ wants Tony Morris edited out of videos in other languages, I don't doubt for a second that there will come a complete guideline from the teaching dept. in Warwick to the branch offices around the globe. My parents worked at Bethel for the last 25 years of their life, except for the last few years where my mother became very ill, so they moved out and my mother became infirm pioneer, and my dad became a commuter bethelite. So he kept a lot of materials in his home, and when he died I made a promise to the branch to leave all confidential materials that my father kept in his home in one specifik room and putting the boxes of binders on a table for them to come and retrieve all the secret materials, but I must admit that I stole all I could get my hands on, as this is a once in a lifetime chance to see the innermost guides and papers that are never shared with the outside world, such as the Branch Guidelines, not to mention their vow of poverty, handbooks for bethelites ("Serving in Unity"), and of course a lot of general letters to members of the Bethel family from the GB, etc. (Many of these documents are published online in English, but for my Danish project it was a goldmine to find all these official Danish documents). A funny little story about Denmark and food and drinks at the convention is that Denmark and France were the only two countries in the world where the serving of three meals a day along with burgers, sandwiches, hotdogs, ice cream cones, candy bars, soft drinks, breakfast, hot meals, and buffet style servings in the evening continued for 4 years longer than the rest of the world. Denmark and France simply wrote back to Brooklyn that they could forget about cancelling food at the conventions as the witnesses would simply stay away as food is such an important part of all gatherings in Denmark (and in France apparently), so they genuinely feared a significant drop in attendance, and to such a degree they managed to convince HQ for four years in a row to keep giving a dispensation to disregard the new policies. And when it finally had to stop, they did it gradually beginning with the large meals substituting for small warm snacks and sandwiches, and after a couple more years all that was served was coffee and tea, and finally that was also cancelled. And the Danish branch was absolutely correct in their predictions. When I was young and a child and we had all these meals served each day and also all the delicious sandwiches and the pastry served in the evening after the afternoon program, and people stayed till late and had a nice time together. After they stopped serving meals and refreshments at conventions, the last persons left the arena within 20 minutes after "amen" in the conluding prayer after each day. Nobody wanted to stick around for the social aspect of the gathering, and now they just spread in all directions and some perhaps went to town, while others went to their hotel, as they saw no reason to stay.
Hey James, Saturday 6pm UK time. I'm starting a new show where I discuss the most egregious content in the elders manual. The plan is these will be shorter videos about 15-20 minutes long but will see. I'll update once I've finished recording it tomorrow)))
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsgood I’ll look forward to that because David Splane gets on my nerves as he really reckons himself as a Hebrew and Greek bible expert and when he did away with 100 years of TYPE & ANTI TYPE speculation he basically threw all those interpretations out of the window SO .. What was TRUTH was NO Longer TRUTH 😀😀.. The Way of Earthling Man does not belong to follow his own step (Jeremiah 10v.23)
The method of coming to a decision by a group sounds much like a ouija board. Which brings up a good point, is it 'an ouija board' or 'a ouija board' Because its not pronounced oh, it's pronounced 'we'
There was a short post made by a young lady pulling up in her car to a kingdom hall which apparently where Tony Morris attends and asked a brother if he was inside so as to answer for his abuse of her as a child is corroborative to ur theory so i wouldn't doubt it.Also this post was posted within a month of the announcement
Iam wondering why a lot of brothers and sisters want to know why Br Moris was removed from the governing body yet they know that even at congregational level, Elders will never disclose why Br x has been dishfellowshiped, they simply annouce to announce that "a person by the name of Y is no longer be one of Jehovah's witnesses" period and it ends there. Now why do you want the Governing body to announce the removal of Br Moris from the governing body? Unless you're an apostate or you want to become one like Br Uche?
Is it possible... He refused to get jabbed At no time did they say the gb were 100% jabbed. - only talked about bethel body jab percentage Stephen made the comment about even the individuals in the gb needed to trust the slave. Implying that someone was breaking the status quo Maybe he made the personal choice not too. In the area that I live, elder bodies turned it into a litmus test of trust and a total act of fealty to the gb. Anyone who didn't do it was df'ed if they talk as to why and removed from privileges or if they kept their mouth shut they got soft shunned to the extreme. --- The extreme way that "they went beyond what is written" regarding jabs woke me up
Interesting take. Tony Morris was definitely jabbed. See 2021 Governing Body Update #6. True that there was a lot of divisions in the organisation and I'm glad their stance on jabs was able to wake you up 😀
a long long video of speculation at best. i hold to the opinion that anthony morris did not accept the new direction of watchtower, that two new members were added so as to oust him out. be it noted that the man was not disfellowshipped, he was relocated. such a decision, however, does raise questions as to Jehovah's holy spirit in this matter, as the removal seems to be a corporate one, rather than spiritual.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns the fact is, that according to existing laws, a governing body member can only be dismissed with a majority. thus the two new members that led to mr. morris being dismissed. he was not disfellowshipped, therefore, he could not be removed on that basis. he wasn't reproved either. instead, he was relocated to a familiar congregation, and given a life time lease on a townhouse courtesy watchtower. this was a corporate move, and the flurry of changes since morris' departure is strong circumstantial evidence that he was removed for the reason i mentioned.
@@edwardjjanzen23 to quote AMIII "doesn't bother me." I have presented evidence from the mouths of actual GB members including AMIII himself. You can choose to engage with the evidence or believe your own version of events. Either way I'm not losing sleep over why he was removed)))
Your dismissal theory of Morris sounds plausible, however the Watchtower has a history or reputation of saying one thing in PUBLIC and doing ANOTHER in PRIVATE... For example they preach and talk about the Truth, Yet they LIE in Court.... They talk about LOVE and KINDNESS, Yet they Shun and isolate, They talk about the last days of the last days of the last days of the last days, Yet they are building multi million ulta movie studios, They talk about Jesus and Jehovah, Yet the turn to thier OWN book, " organized to do Jehovah's will"... for guidance They tell the members that the organization is supported by voluntary donations, Yet they charge each Congregation per publisher head... They ask the members to be careful with Alcohol, Yet they are caught buying booze in large quantities. They tell the members, we are Jehovah's ONLY channel, Yet when quizzed in Court, they tell the Court, we are NOT the only ones, God can use whoever he chooses. In Countries where the preaching work is banned, they don't sue, Yet they sue when charitable funds are withdrawn. They warn against violent movies, Yet the are producing movies filled with violence. They say we are not part of this world, Yet the get inspiration to allow beards from people in the world, such as Doctors, lawyers, Engineers and scientists who wear beards. ( Watch Letts speech) They talk about impartiality, Yet the favor the Pioneers and Ministerial servants. They say we follow bible teachings and truths, Yet the are showing us emotional fiction movies, that have nothing to do with bible truths and teachings. They talk about unity and harmony in the Christian congregation, Yet it's Hi's and Bye's, you are only valued when you show up at the Kingdom hall. When you show up at the meetings after a while, they say, oh we haven't seen you for ages, without trying to find out WHY? and if it's over 6 months, they call you inactive. They talk about LOVE, Yet if someone passes away in a congregation very few attend their memorial service. They don't want to take responsibilities of child abuse committed in households, Yet you get disfellowshipped when you commit a sin outside the Kingdom hall. The list is just too long, I can go on forever, why people cant see that. Moreover Lett doesn't want anyone to question his anointment, Yet he questions others who claim to be anointed. That's I am very skeptical of what their broadcasts say, I can not draw any meaningful conclusion based on what they say in PUBLIC..... What goes on behind the sense is kept secret, but now THANKS to whisle blowers, We know some of the things we would otherwise not have known. To add to that, the everlasting changes of doctrines, They say the bible doesn't change, Yet there is a new download for the New World translation as we speak, this shows a pure manipulation of data. Soon or Later the truth about Morris will be known. You dont need to bring these men down, they are already doing it ALL by THEMSELVES.. One thing I can tell you for sure, they are sleeping with ONE eye open now if at all.. Jehovah will expose anyone who uses his name to benefit themselves.
You make really good arguments. I might even plagiarise some of your ideas and transform them into a video ))) True, as JT says, no one does hypocrisy like the Watchtower organisation.
Yes, I agree, maybe the people that knew something were his own family. I believe it could have been the drinking problem. He was in war and has PTSD and a lot of times in age it will surface again. I don’t know , but this could be a reason. So, he wasn’t removed for buying the booze, but for repeatedly being abbreviated!
So we'll said! You put a lot of thought in this post. I would love to copy it and send to my MS brother, but then I would be considered an apostate. I still may do it. I've been planting little seeds of doubt in his mind. Thank you for your post.
Thank you my brother, All Glory goes to Jehovah. If someone ignores facts and commonsense, they are the ones with a problem, NOT you. I'm a Jehovah's servant like you, yet I shared this with you, Here is why! If I can go out there and preach to people in the WORLD about Jehovah and his purpose, so they can benefit from Jehovah's gracious promises - as an obligation according to Mat 5:15 - which says if you have light don't put it under the table, put it up so EVERYBODY can BENEFIT... Moreover James 4:17 also says, if someone knows how to do what is right, and yet does not do it, it's a sin for him. Why can I NOT do the SAME for my fellow BROTHERS and SISTERS, if I KNOW or SEE something WRONG with the LEADERSHIP, NOT to TELL them? In 1 Thes 5:21 The Bible encourages us to check or examine everything we are TOLD, in addition 1 John 4:1-3 says to TEST every "INSPIRED" word..WHY? because the Bible warns us against FALSE PROPHETS ( 2Pet 2:1, Mat 7:15, Mat 24:11.). So we have to be on the LOOKOUT. Nobody needs to bring the GB down, THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT ALL BY THEMSELVES. However, Mat 24: 46-51 says if the discrete slave TURNS EVIL, JEHOVAH will sort them out. Things have changed since I got baptized, we are now seeing changes AFTER changes most contradicting each other. For examples, beards are now allowed, which were previously getting people disfellowshipped, Sisters can now wear trousers, soon it will be tattoos, goodness knows what else. We have LOST our IDENTITY, we are becoming more like a SOCIAL CLUB (" and we have membership")than a RELIGIOUS organization. But that's NOT my biggest concern, my BIGGEST concern is THEM INVESTING in COMPANIES specialized in A!R DEFENSE system, manufacturing @pons of W@R. They ALWAYS preach AGAINST W@R and here they OWN SHARES in these companies. These are FACTS not fabrications, they are on local NEWS and allover the internet and Authorities websites. I WOULD share it with others if I were you, If they call you "Apostate" for sharing FACTS, then they are the ONES with the problem NOT you. You can try to put in a form of QUESTIONS and let them make up their own minds, if that would help. For example, you can ask, the GB is against W@R, how come they invest in A!R defense system? They tell us to keep our eyes simple because we are living in the last days, WHY are they building and spending money on super movie production studios? They tell us NOT to GAMBLE, how come they ACCEPT Lottery FUNDED money from Local Authorities?and so on... If you Google or UA-cam Watchtower INVESTMENTS, you will find a wealth of information. I ALWAYS tell my FRIENDS and FELLOW witnesses to BUILD a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JEHOVAH GOD and FOLLOW Jesus Christ's direction and REJECT anything that is contrary to the Bible teachings or MISINTERPRETATION of the scriptures.
@@JamesBRox-dv1pk why did you write all this! You don’t have to count time anymore! And by the way , you serve mere men, not Jehovah if you belong to JW.
I think you're way off. If he was removed for judicial reasons he would not be a pioneer in NC which has been verified. Most likely his wife was done and started complaining to others as many CO wives have been doing thus the massive turnover and sudden ending to CO careers.
Infirm special pioneer is a term they use to justify supporting older / infirm members of the organisation who they have deemed qualifies to continue being provided for despite being surplus to requirements. I don't suppose you believe AMIII goes door knocking every day trying to do 100 hours a month? Also why would a GB wife want to swap the luxury of being GB wife with oblivion. You can't compare a GB member / wife to CO / wife. The only reason for his swift removal was he committed a judicial offense and there was risk of it becoming public knowledge. I'm happy to hear you present your theories as to how his wife got him removed.
Yes, hence the removal. Look up Smurf Girl. She knows the family, and Anthony approved of her pedo. dad and pedo. uncle going to bethel knowing of their desires.
It's the booze and someone has come forward saying Uncle Tony molested her and her sister in the same congregation. Plus all the "friends" bought his quarter million dollar house he's living in now. This corporation could have bought him off with any of their multiple multi billion dollar accounts but they used the friends money instead.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns you have no proof that he committed a serious sin and yet you push that theory as if you were there.. Maybe his wife got sick and can no longer continue the extremely long week and days they put in... They work six days a week at bethel.. the man also has a voice! If Anthony Morris wanted to complain he could.. I guess the proof is his status as an active elder still qualifies... the question I have for you is this? What in the hell happened to you? Were you disfellowshiped and instead of working on your issues you got pissed off and stormed out? Just couldn't humble yourself? Interesting, your removed like AM3 was and you failed while he stayed strong.. your character is showing through loud and clear..
They all drink at Bethel it's a known fact. Morris wasn't ousted he walked away because of the changes being made! Beards and no time being counted as well blood issue changes coming and shunning policies changes coming
The first theories really did not convince me like you, however, the fourth one can be true, note this means it cannot. My challenge with your analysis is that you trust the GB system, the people who lie for a living, you think that they cannot bent the rules or whatever they state is exactly how they do things. I am glad that you used elders as an example, yes the elders may not remove a brother for your example, but we know and some of us had experienced elders ressurecting old stuff and creating traps for an elder to be removed, so as they can continue with whatever they wanted to do that this other alder seemed to be a stumbling block. We have certain elders been removed because a member of their families has done wrong at the same time we have elders who do not get removed for the wrong doing that needs removal, how, by simply applying difference admonishment, instead of disfellowshiping then then caution the person. This is also possible in the GB, to remove a person for the reason that he is a stumbling block, but invoke another issue as a scapegoat. I do not believe that the GB study the Bible and review issues as a group, I would if I had never study Ray Franz’ book Crises of Conscious. Actually, Ray Franz was also not removed through right channels, his accussation did not hold water. Ray was removed because he ahd a meeting with his boss, who was disassocaited himself, just becuse there was a tea in that meeting. However, we know that, that was not the reason, the reason was that they could not disfellowshipped him in Bethel, though they wanted to, as he did not commit a disfellowship act, but the GB did not want him to continue in the organisation. So, to trust these thugs that they work like a USA Constitution is not to understand the power hungry GB.
Thank you for your comment; you've given it a lot of thought. In the case of Ray Franz his removal from the GB wasn't because he was associating with a disassociated person. In his own words he was accused of apostasy. He reports that when he was away on leave other bethelites who were thought to be his accomplices were interrogated and in a lot of cases removed from Bethel. When he returned he was interrogated by the Governing Body and because he was actively speaking out against official teachings he was asked to resign from the GB. The disfellowshipping came later after he was seem eating with a disassociated one. AMIII's situation is different. As far as we know he lives in accommodation owned by the organisation and being provided for by the organisation. Also as far as we know both his sons and his daughters in law are in good standing with the organisation with one son serving on the US Branch committee. There is just no evidence anywhere that AMIII was acting in any way that would cause him to fall out with other GB members over policy. Most people forget that a lot of the changes in the organisation have happened while AMIII was on the GB including literally a month before he was removed. I also genuinely do not see why the GB would lie about how they make decisions when the process does not paint them in a positive light. Bear in mind also that they are speaking to an audience who lap up their every word without any thought. If Winder or Splane were speaking in court or to the media or other secular I would see the need to lie. Reading through the comments that have come up on this thread I can see that a lot of people have bought into this theory that he fell out with other GB members over policy and it seems to me the desire for this to be true is making people disregard the clear evidence. At the end of the day if we want to make an objective analysis, we can only go by the evidence we have which is Governing Body members are not removed over policy disagreements as they can just sit out any impasse even if it takes 10 years.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns No. I never said that Ray was disfellowishipped in Bethel nor that the issue was because of fellowship with disasociating employer. The GB wanted to disfellowiship Ray in Bethel but they could not. Ray left the Bethel and in a congregation where he lived, a subtle persecution began, obviously with the instigation from powers above. Then the only way to settle the Bethel scores, Ray had to be accused of associating with a disassociated person, though the person was his employer and they were in a business meeting. All I wanted to demonstrate to you is that, the GB and its elders are human and they do not stick to rules if they want to achieve their neferious goals. Ray’s sin in the eyes of the GB was to have a different take on certain scriptures; after they managed to disfellowship those who were around him, they couldn’t disfellowiship him, however, they put a trap for him. No following of rules that you stated, that is they get bend when they like, therefore I would not bet my life that the elders and the GB strictly follow certain rules and they abide by them all the time. That is my only challenge I have with your argument.
@@mthokozisilanga4497 You make very good and valid points and everything you say about Ray Franz is 100% accurate. Having said that, there is no evidence to suggest that AMIII's exit has any similarity to Ray Franz'. It appears AMIII's exit was as much a shock and unexpected for the GB as it was for the rest of us. AMIII was fronting the Governing Body update as late as December 2022. He also had a morning worship video which I think was meant to be part of the March 2023 JW Broadcasting and was pulled at the last minute. I just think the circumstances leading to the two men's exits are completely different and there's no evidence to suggest they should be placed side by side.
He could but as I discuss in the video that's not a reason to be removed from the GB and from Bethel. They actually have an infirmary at Bethel with round the clocks medics and other carers
Here’s the real question has he been IN PERSON at the meetings. Remember that Jw broadcast he did after covid where he keep saying IN PERSON. Well Mr. tight pants Tony have you been to them IN PERSON?????
We would have heard by now if people had seen him, right? As JT says "no one does hypocrisy like the Watchtower" in this case represented by the GB who are represented by AMIII
That Morris likes fine whiskey just makes him more relatable to me. What's Stephen Lett into? Must be hunny because he sounds like Winnie the Pooh. I hate JW as I was thrown out of a KH in Nanaimo at age 18 by 2 bouncers and landed face first in the gravel-no going back! I went communist.
He has too much dirt on them and learned/helped form the extortion they use to get their way while he was GB. To me it was no different than the golden parachutes they give to CEO's who could come back and sink a company if they don't take the fall alone.
You know I love this whole Armageddon talk. Revelation 16:16 And they(the demons) gathered the kings and armies together at the PLACE called Armageddon. One has to read the words carefully which this org does not. Armageddon is a PLACE in Israel, modern day Jezreel valley 90 miles north of Jerusalem. All armies gather for battle to get their marching orders, 14:1 tells us Yeshua puts His feet down on Mt. Zion which is outside of Jerusalem because the battle is over Jerusalem, it's always about Jerusalem. Armageddon is not a war. There are world wars at this time period but there's no Armageddon war. This is a high control group that rules by fear. And they're a bunch of high school drop outs that don't have an education in the ancient languages. The Book wasn't written in English.
The reason Uncle Tony’s Departure is always an enigma is because there is no evidence to prove he is still alive. Never disregard the criminal history of the Watchtower Business and their Leaders.
He's still alive as far as we know. The organisation bought him a property that he and his wife can use until the end of their lives. I don't want to be accused of doxxing so I won't reference the channel on which these details were provided but yeah he's alive and being looked after by the organisation.
Just provide any proof that he is alive to us. It is very simple. Some photos? Short videos? Short recordings? All of these can be provided with dates and time!
My first concern is that of what interest is it to anyone who dissociated himself or herself from the organisation to be bothered by what happens inside the organisation. This is like divorcing a partner and still be bitter about who he/she sees. For your infor, even when an ordinary publisher is disfellowshiped the reasons arw never disclosed, why shall it be different with Br Morris? Only an apostate seeking to discredit the organisation will probe for such details. If you are happy you withdrew youself be happy where you are and don't look and be interested in your own vomit
Why would an active member of this cult watch a video made by an apostate? I hope the elders in your congregation get wind of your disobedient behavior.
We serve Jehovah not imperfect humans. Jehovah's purposes will be fullfillwd. Jehovah will protect his serbant provided that we put our trust in Him and our Saviour, Jesus Christ. There is no other religion for me. I trust Jesus and Jehovah!!
Now they are not even trying. Lots of GB members have had serious health issues later in life like Dan Sydlik who was allowed to stay on the GB until he died at 87. If he left for health reasons why delete his 12 morning worship videos and his videos in Enjoy Life Forever?
I can’t even be bothered to write this properly and quite wasting the public’s precious time with stupid suppositions. Do not consider your information of up building
Why in the heck don’t you wait until you know the facts.Some of you nit picks are really starting to irritate me because you just want to fill time and make assumptions. I don’t agree with the govenoring body telling others to not listen to anyone but them and trying to get deciples of themselves but you are completely lacking in good motives from what I see in just trying as hard as you can to find fault in nonsense and I don’t appreciate your presumptuous comments. I agree as the Bible says to declare the truth and teach the truth but approach take bores me and irritates my sense of justice and truth and some of your material is guessing and of no value to defending truth and I am becoming more and more angry at your useless fault finding and would appreciate not wasting my time when I am interested in truth and not
This was a long video devoted to more speculation. Personally, I can't help but think he must've done something wrong, was repentant, but no longer qualified to serve as a gb member. (But is he still an elder? I have no idea! ) Otherwise he could've just gently faded into the background, holding onto his gb title, like others have done in the past. I wonder if an appointed man could be removed for a belligerent attitude, for continuing to complain, being disruptive, or being uncooperative. Surely that would be a cause for division, a cause of disunity and a lack of peace. The gb members are just humans with all the failings common to humans, and they can lie and play mind games to save face.
Well speculation is too strong a term when I'm showing you the actual words of Governing Body members from their actual mouths and from the publications they write. Speculation is when you're making up stuff in your own head and then spreading this which is the opposite of what I'm doing. Every point I make in the video I'm backing up with either video evidence or evidence from the publications. Also, I find it interesting that you criticise me for making a "long video devoted to more speculation" when in the very next sentence you make the exact same suggestion I've made in the video. You then go on to speculate that he was removed for having a belligerent attitude. If I could get a penny for each time anyone threw out that wild theory I'd be a rich man by now. You like others who promote this theory do not know AMIII personally. Your only knowledge of him is through the talks he's given in front of camera. You don't know how he interacted with other GB members or other people close to him, so how can you claim he has a belligerent attitude? Where's the proof for that? Thank you for watching the video and contributing to the debate. Really what I'm trying to show people is to use Occam's razor: the simplest solution is usually the right one 😀
I left WT in my heart and mind a year ago. I will not give you or anyone else on UA-cam a precious 1 hr 20 ofd minutes of my life that could be spent in study and service to others. You don’t know what happened! Happy to spend a couple of minutes of my time typing this comment though🤷♂️😂
Just come back to the organization you belong it never too late, your language, appearance and everything suggest you nothing but one of Jehovah's witnesses forget about Moris now!
You are just wasting your time waiting for whether or not Moris 111 will be reinstated or not God loves you my brother my former Elder. I don't think you can fit well in these other faiths. By the way since it's one year now since Br Moris was removed from the governing body has been dishfellowshiped or is he still serving Jehovah in one way or another as a Jehovah's witness? Your quick response will highly be appreciated
@@chilufyamumba2806 AMIII is not disfellowshipped. He lives in a property paid for by WTBTS and is entitled to live there until both he and his wife die
I can’t even be bothered to write this properly and quite wasting the public’s precious time with stupid suppositions. Do not consider your information of up building .and I am sick of your theories
I don't doubt you were told that. But I don't believe it for a minute. There have been infirm and mentally declining governing body members in the past. They were never removed. I suspect without any proof, that it was doctrinal.
Thats not a reason to be removed from the Governing Body. I don't know if you've seen the interview on the Lloyd Evans channel of the guy who used to be Karl Klien's carer. Klien was in far worse shape than AM III towards the end and yet stayed on the GB till his death
tight pants Moris the cat got booted out because a woman came forward said she was raped by him 20 years ago , so again there was the 2 witness rule and yes its an other cover up ,but the law knows better .
I stand by the theory that Morris was 'standing in the way of Jehovah's chariot', and got run over by it. Certainly the 'new light' came fast after he departed.
I think I've satisfactorily disproved that theory using the words of actual Governing Body members
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Those shopping carts are deadly , Mark….
🛒 Jehovahs chariot 🛸
Yes, he got struck by the new light or otherwise known as lightning.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns Riiiight... because what the GB members say is always so trustworthy...
Great analysis! I don’t think we will ever really know what happened but your theory makes sense. Thanks for all your work! 😊
Thank you for your kind words. Well, I guess that's why the GB felt safe in giving him the boot. The fact that he has too much to lose if he started speaking out. That's why we'll never find out the actual actual reason. But there's enough clues to try and make sense of what happened.
@@theravenous8859 Please stop trolling.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns person is being difficult the evidence is clear as day that these men are not guided by holy spirit.
This is by far the best and most complete account I’ve yet come across on this subject. I especially liked the systematic way you debunked each of the plausible rival hypotheses for Tony’s removal and why he is staying quiet. Well done and thanks!
This org actually has to let rank and file know why he was removed! Imagine this man was continually telling us to TRUST us FDS or Anointed! And just leaves without letting us know why!? Believers were DONATING his livings and trips like assemblies! Disrespectful and Not telling the Truth as an ORG who tells their rank and file to always be truthful!
He didn't just leave, there were way too many clips posted of him buying expensive booze at the liquor store. Also there's a woman making accusations that Uncle Tony had been molesting her and her sister when they were growing up in his congregation.
@@rhondahart2416Whatever happened to that woman? She was making a lot of noise like she was gonna completely expose Anthony Morris and take him down, but then she just vanished lol. Hope she's alright if she was telling the truth about him.
@@ProlificPops Maybe she has a case to build because you can't just accuse someone of something like that without reprocussions. I do hope she is not being threatened. She should join in with the Attorney General of PA. on their investigations of child molestation.
@@rhondahart2416 If she was telling the truth, I hope she's working on building a case right now because if she fully commits to pressing charges and has viable evidence against him, things could get extremely interesting with this Anthony Morris mystery and with the leadership of this organization.
Probably signed an agreement to not disclose anything after the organization appears to have taken care of him. He moved into a home and the question is, where did he get the money? Who is taking care of his daily needs?
I agree with you. I also believe his “dogmatic” self won’t be missed by the current GB. A term used over and over again by the GB speakers at the Annual Meeting (“we can’t be dogmatic”). Also, there must have been whispers of nepotism with regard to his son’s appointment to the US branch committee. I’m sure it won’t earn the son any popularity points, especially with Dad now unable to protect or promote him. Thanks for a well thought out and balanced assessment.
I believe that anyone who has never told a lie in his life is not a liar.
They could have had disagreements on doctrines and he wasn’t yielding to major things. He was probably voted out. That announcement was very cold for someone who left on a good note. He once visited the South African branch and was so unkind and moody when he left, Bethelites were saying the branch committee said he was sick the entire time hence why he wasn’t kind. I saw him at a South African convention, he didn’t want to be greeted. 😂 Even in his videos you could see he was an unkind man.
I can see why this theory is appealing but as I've shown in the video from the actual words of Governing Body members, the Governing Body has no issue with having doctrinal disagreements amongst themselves. They can sit out decisions for years, with Splane giving an example of a standoff that lasted 10 years. No one was removed from the Governing Body for that. All the evidence we have is Morris supported all the recent changes made up until his removal, including the hour reduction for pioneers. Yes, the announcement was brief but what else where they to say especially if the reason for his removal was deemed embarrassing? The fact that they hid the announcement on the website to me suggests they wanted to preserve his dignity as much as possible.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns you have to also consider that the majority of them might have wanted to steamroll a couple of changes without having to wait for ‘10 years’ and therefore his removal was necessary for them to make unanimous decisions
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsYes, the GB want to maintain his dignity by removing him without explanation due in part to his alcoholism and increased inability to talk coherently even via non visual recordings, in order to remain active as a GB member. In other words they probably and most plausably had no choice but to remove him as he was mentally affected by alcoholism to the point of no longer able to serve in a mentally balanced position anymore. Maybe alcoholism became out of his control and a bad habit he couldn't shake off, to the point of no longer able to intellegently serve as a GB member....However, the GB members appreciated all those years he faithfully served as an elder and eventual member of the GB. Plus the fact that his wife and children still faithfully serve in the JW Organisation. Like Anthony Morris 3rd said in one of his speeches, we're only human!
@@diannelesley1954 This is an interesting theory and I can see why it's appealing. One of the things I wanted to touch on and really should have in the video was his removal was very quick and sudden. I don't think he became incoherent and unintelligible or that his alcoholism got out of hand. Remember he fronted the December Governing Body update. That was literally weeks before his removal. Also he had a morning worship video that was due to be part of the March 2023 JW broadcasting and they scrapped it at the 11th hour. So I don't think even Governing Body members were expecting his removal. In other words this was not a long-running agenda item of "We need to remove Tony"
The alcohol
Can't wait for this!!!...
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Odd, isn't it? You would think that JW's that left of their own volition would move on to something new. I hope I find something positive and new to focus on in my life, instead of looking for faults and speculating about everything. I think I might start a charity for "Widows and Orphans".
Thank you for being objective
I was of the opinion that Tony Morris stood in the way of the changes that they're making..
I still think he was a liability because of his loose tongue.
However, your arguments makes sense...
Thank you ...
Yes he almost told the truth many times.
Hai chaka,its been more than a decade since we left high school
Am not very sure if you are to recognise me.while,I took time to watch and listen to about two videos...I actually didn't realise that at that te you were not yet baptised..your conduct was exceptional am truly amazed that you progressed spiritually and you were inspired to become a secure overseer..quiet commendable! I got concerned when I learnt about Michael sikongolo leaving the organisation and I took te to ask him fir the book that had his reasons for leaving .honestly am not in a space to be judgemental but am interested to understand more of what you discovered..I have alot of questions ..despite the discoveries I believe you have a positive part of having been in the organisation which could be useful and worth sharing I guess..well am looking forward to hearing more..
@@shiellangoma320 Hi Sheilla! Thanks for getting in touch. Of course I remember you. I've sent you a request on Facebook. You can also get in touch via my email: television2087@gmail.com. It would be good to catch up😊
Interesting analysis. I’m not sure that WT’s treatment of Jesse is indicative of AMIII still being in the good graces of the GB. In fact, if there was actual bad blood between AMIII and the GB, that would make it MORE likely for Jesse Morris to get privileges, not less. It’s the GB’s way of saying “Everyone renders an account and we’re not pointing a finger at you for what your father has done.”
Also, no offense, but I would disagree that you sufficiently debunked the idea that AMIII was removed for disagreeing with the GB. We’ll probably never know what happened to ToMo, I appreciate your thorough look at the situation though.
Thank you for watching my video. Well, we can only go by the words of actual GB members. We've heard from the mouths of two GB members that a policy disagreement is not a reason to remove someone from the GB. And they are willing to wait for years even up to a decade until all GB members come round.
I agree
Since when do we believe anything the GB says. After all that I have seen and heard from this organization, a lot of their information from broadcasts, videos, publications, and court cases are lies, half-truths, or extremely misleading. That's why they get away with so much. Maybe the truth is a combination bottlegate (not the buying of the liquor itself, but rather the drinking and what may come out of his mouth when a little tipsy), and health issues like Alzheimer's, which could be a possibility. In that scenario, he wouldn't even realize that he's going back in time and could do a lot of harm. isn't it fun to speculate! 🤭@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
we also have to use discernment when listening to what the GB says because they can twist their words to fit their own agenda. There’s several court cases in several countries that prove this.
@@BeeCJ haha always!
@32 min...if they were truly guided by holy spirt it would not take them many years to be sure if the decision being made is truly correct to make the change smh
Such a great point! In the video I showed an excerpt of, where Splane is saying it can take them 10+ years to make a change, in the full video he gives an example of Branches from lesser affluent countries writing in saying publishers couldn't afford to travel to the meetings 3 times a week. And yet it still took them 10 years to make the change. So much for a loving and caring organisation, right? These are cold, callous and uncaring company men whose only interest is to protect their positions at the top and to feel they have power and control over people's lives😢
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns exactly bro.
Do you have a email I can privately reach you out on?
Yes, and the many times they got it wrong and flip flop shows then that Jehovah’s spirit did not guide them.
Your comment is completely wrong! HOLY SPIRIT does not tell you the answer to something as if Santa Claus Holy Spirit just came through your door.. it's like the Bible says: go on perceiving what the will of God is.. so it's something that takes time to understand.. just as it says In Daniel "and true knowledge will slowly become abundant as that day approaches".
Holy Spirit is something that takes time to fully understand...
@@beautyRest1 exactly
bottlegate should of been enough but think it was he was troublesome
If Anthony Morris left the Governing Body for legal reasons, how come his videos are still available for viewing in the Governing Body updates and JW-Broadcasting monthly programmes, for example? How do you explain that?
Good question. I don't think he left for legal reasons. In my video I suggest that he recently committed a Judicial offense which was knowledgeable to people outside the GB, rendering him no longer "free from accusation." His morning worship videos may have been removed for legal reasons, given morning worship talks are formulated by the speaker and not based on an approved outline. With regards to his other content, they can always argue that he was speaking on behalf of the GB as he was speaking from an approved outline. The fact that most of his videos are still available also suggests to me that AMIII is still viewed favourably by the remaining GB members. In other words, their hand was forced when it came to removing him.
You are the kindest zo this brother so far on XT.
Great video! I agree with your assessment.
Could it possibly be anything to do with a photo of him in a store with a trolley full of booze ? He wasn’t in any way unpleasant,
but not good PR for a member of the GB.
Nah, he wasn't breaking any of the JW rules and even if they thought it was that bad why wait nearly 3 years when the whole thing had all but been forgotten? Yes, it was bad for PR but the GB have survived worse PR blunders. Think Gerrit Losch saying: "I do not work for Watchtower." Or Geoffrey Jackson's embarrassment at the Australian Royal Commission.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsthey could have put him on probation( for drinking) for a while. That’s why it took that long…..just a thought
@@beautyRest1 I highly doubt it. It seems the GB themselves where not expecting his exit. He fronted the December 2022 GB update. And his morning worship video was meant to be part of the March JW broadcast but was scrapped at the last minute after he was removed
Multiple Posts of multiple times this lush was buying very expensive booze in large quantities .
Maybe it'll come up later in the video, but even before "bottlegate", Tony was obviously inebriated in many broadcasts. My money is on his alcohol addiction getting too obvious.
There are a lot of alcoholic JWs both on bodies of elders and at bethels around the world. Short of someone getting intoxicated and going around being a nuisance to people it's not that straightforward to make a case against someone based on that. During my whole time as an elder I can only remember one person being disfellowshipped over alcohol and that's because his alcoholism had become public over a period of many years.
Last I checked, Paul was at US Bethel. Went there a few years ago. He was in the same circuit as I was then.
Interesting! I heard a few years ago from someone who had been at US bethel that Paul had left Bethel and was pioneering. But that was a good few years ago.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsWell, it sucks to be him, then.
It's not that he was buying booze. He was caught on camera buying a bunch of expensive booze with what money? Personal wealth ? They encourage people to quit their jobs and pioneer.
Cult's will exist until Jesus comes again.
This is very sad but also very true☹️☹️☹️
I am no longer serving as one of JW, hard to support with all the contradicted information and hypocrisy I saw. " Elders, don't buy a house, it will be hard to make it into God's kingdom if you aquire wealth," results- Most of the elders have 4-5 bedroom homes and wealth 😂, in certain areas you are looked down on for living in an apartment or being of little means. So called friends - " receive free give free." Results - the pioneers talk about the friends who do not drive or give gas money.😂 Elders, " Do not gossip, it is the works of the flesh." Results- they will invite you over to their home or work out in service with you to find out your business or that of others. Elders, don't commit sexual immorality. Results- my grandkids are suspected of being molested by my ex husband and you are more focused on my submission of field service time? Rather I left to be with a non believer? ( I left to go to a domestic violence shelter). He told the brothers I was mentally ill and it walked 😳 I became the bad guy and was even offered bible counseling to return back to my abusive ex who was a double agent ( Hebrew Israelite) then to top it off, the publications do not reflect all nations, all styles and if you are ethnic, you have to pray you fit in speech wise etc. it is so much I can say but I will say this........ I trust God, I believe in his son but he gave me free will and why am I allowing man to control me when The Most High gave me free will? 🤔 I will take my chances on Judgement day. I have been apart of this since I was 19 years old. Now that I am free, I am living without anxiety of being destroyed. For the ones who think I am out sinning all over the place..... No I still live my life by bible standards between me and God but I make my own decisions, keep my money in my pocket in this bad economy, and not labeled as bad association because I want to put a tailored red dress on. 😳 I pray for the innocent to get out..., in my opinion noone of color or free thinking should be here. ITS A BUSINESS! I have saved money, gas, car repairs and can think free. I am sure this will get me labelled as a apostate but who cares, I am freeeeeeeee. I am never returning. I'm free!
What just baffles me and has for years is ‘Why does GOD make it SO hard to figure out what he wants ‘his people’ to do????
Outstanding content.
Appreciation for the very well thought layout of cases possibly not reasons for Anthony Morris's ouster from the GB. However, not to be too picky, the channel name,im just wondering why u named it as such, because some may think it controversial thanks.
They are a secret society, so good luck on ever finding out the real deal on this. 😏. They have always try to portray this image of being transparent, yet have never,ever broken down to us where does the donations go toward specifically, accounting wise. 😳. They have always just broadstroke it’s use. 🤨
Thank you for this analysis. I understand that members of the Bethel Family including the top leadership of the organization take a "vov of poverty" which puts the financial care of them on the shoulders of the organization and not on the government of the United States, for example through Medicare and Social Security. So when one decides to leave the organization or are removed, they forfeit those benefits. I think it may have been the case for Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap back in the 1980's. So if that is true, then the organization has another strong leverage over someone like Anthony Morris III. In addition to his concern for being shunned by his sons and others, he would be at risk for losing his ongoing support in his elder years. Who knows that the place where he is now living is part of the settlement, that becomes a strong influence in addition to that which you mentioned. Finally, if there is some serious sin that is known by some other parties to what may have happened to cause his removal, one cannot help but think that it all will come out one day, into the light where it belongs. Let me know what you think about this. Thanks again for this report.
Great points! I totally agree with you. He has too much to lose by starting to run his mouth. I also believe the fact that he has kids who could potentially shun him was one of the reasons the GB found it easy to let go of him. Because in this age of the Internet if they had another Ray Franz situation it would literally bring the organisation down.
Enjoyed your video
Thank you for your kind words🙏🙏🙏
How about his hate speech about apostates and snuffing out their flames like a match? Twisted.
The irony is that he ended up vanishing like smoke )))
Anthony wasn’t ousted, the reason he was asked to step down was because the apostates were constantly gunning for him, Anthony was quite outspoken and the Apostates jumped on that and it gave them ammunition to use against the society, absolutely nothing to do with buying alcohol or falling out with the other members! It’s as simple as that!!!
And thank goodness for that. He told on The Tower. XD
Winder`s explanation of how "new light "comes about is total nonsense. What he is describing is what happens all the time in the board room of any business or corporation in discussing how to move the business forward. Sometimes this develops into a power struggle between different factions on the board each trying to get their way on the matter. I believe this is what has happened with these nine men, with Sanderson trying to take control as he has a very high opinion of himself. As most of us know, money is the prime concern of this organisation and they can see a loss of income with their " charitable" status being investigated and government funding being lost. Clearly doctrine comes a poor second to monetary matters so they are prepared to change their beliefs to try and curry favour with the governments who they describe as the tool of Satan .The best way to succeed in this is to remove anyone who could be a problem to them in achieving this. Perhaps that problem could have been Morris.
Is there any reason why Winder would lie about the process which they use to come up with doctrines and policies? It's not like this process makes the Governing Body look good. Quite the contrary. I can see why people have bought into the theory of a power struggle, as most people love a good conspiracy theory, but where's the evidence for that? Also, AMIII was on the GB for nearly 18 years from 2005. If he was such a problem why didn't more senior members like Jaracz, Barr, Barber and Schroeder show him the door. Finally, people who continue promoting this theory of a power struggle conveniently leave out the fact that a lot of the changes the GB have implemented in recent years, including the reduction of pioneer hours, have happened under the watch of AMIII.
It`s not a question of him lying, The nonsense is the claim that it is Jehovah that is guiding these changes that often take years to implement when in fact it is a group of men coming up with pragmatic decisions which are designed to move their business forward and are the complete opposite to what they believed before .In recent times the changes that have been made have changed their beliefs beyond all recognition compared to when I was a JW. Most of them have been designed to lighten the burden they place on their members in order to keep them in and to soften their appearance in the eyes of governments to retain their grants.@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
In times past the GB members have voted on changes, and I believe at least a two thirds majority was required. But now Winder is telling us there must be unanimous agreement on a matter before they consider it "Jehovah's direction"! So, does that mean that all their previous decisions that were not unanimous were NOT Jehovahs direction? Perhaps the GB felt the organisation was suffering (errors, slowing/stagnant growth, legal issues, bad publicity) because they were not following Jehovahs direction and therefore implemented this change in how they decide on "new light".
@@Rupunzelsawake yep, the whole thing is a joke. Maybe they revised the policy after Ray Franz outed them on it in Crisis of Conscience. At the end of the day, the question is if this is the one channel God uses to communicate with mankind why do they need rules on "unanimity" or "two thirds" to make even simple decisions related to beards or counting time preaching? Shouldn't the only question be "Is it in the Bible or is it not?" The more they try to explain themselves the more ridiculous they look )))
I agree. I think any relationship at all with publishers/members, is simply transactional. I look forward to the GB and the organization right down to rank and file being exposed world wide for what they are.
Don't forget that there are a number of transgressions that warrant the formation of a judicial committee. In his progressed age it is rarely a sexual sin, but most often - in my experience from back in the days - a not so modest intake of alcohol. I agree that bottlegate is most definitely NOT the reason, as that could be due to many circumstances. Imagine AM3 was to host an event to celebrate his 20 years in full time service, and wanted to give just a tiny drink after dinner, and given the fact he is of Irish descent it would not be completely uncommon for him to serve some Irish Whiskey. And if he bought even 20 or 30 bottles, that wouldn't even be enough for one glass for each of an attendance of 6-700 members of the Bethel family, let alone the entire Bethel family of about 6000 members. So that amount of Whiskey is by no means alarming at all.
BUIT ... his speech has been quite slurry on many occasions, and he has been giggling a bit too much about his own morbid jokes. So that - in my opinion - boils it down to two possibilities.
He might have been caught overly tipsy once too many to overlook. And they have given him some sort of ultimatum. about not drinking ever again, and if he has a problem with alcohol it would only be a matter of time before he breaks that wov.
The other thing most people overlook is the possibility that he is suffering from a progressive illness - which would also explain his more and more slurry appearances when speaking on JW Broadcast. He might have early stages of Alzheimers and to protect himself he resigns from a position in the spotlight, and to relieve himself of the stress it undoubtedly is to serve on the GB, he may very well just be following the doctor's orders on this one.
Not all illnesses prevent members from staying on. The fourth president (Frederick Franz) stayed president and GB member until his death at 99 despite him being blind for the last two years due to some ailment of the eye.
Nathan Knorr also remained president until his death although with others taking on his duties the last couple of months as he died quite young (in his seventies) of colon cancer.
But some diseases has a deteriorating impact on your cognitive abilities as well as your speech, so it would become clearer and clearer that something was wrong. One could argue that it would be said if he pulled back due to ill health, but each person are different. He might have asked of them not to mention his illness simply because he doesn't want that kind of attention it gives when a governing body member has to resign and all the many rank-and-file members that would come to him asking about his health would be totally overwhelming and not what you need when seriously ill.
So these are two very simple and at the same time very plausible explanations for his deletion as a member of the GB, that most tend to overlook, i believe.
You make a strong and interesting case. However, if it was due to illness why delete his 12 morning worship videos? Why pull the last video that was meant to be part of the March 2023 JW Broadcasting at the last minute.
As I've argued in the video, I'm pretty certain it wasn't due to illness as we don't have precedent of a GB member being deleted for that reason and they most definitely would not be removing his videos if he had left honourably. I'm also pretty certain it wasn't alcohol related as a lot of JW elders, bethelites etc drink excessively and still manage to keep their positions. I think it was some other sin, very likely a historical sin and the rest of the GB were forced to give him the boot to prevent a scandal. They were very likely being blackmailed and have probably paid the blackmailer to keep quiet. Some GB members like Lett are famously wealthy so they could even have paid from their own pockets to keep the thing quiet. I suspect AMIII is still very much a believing JW and despite feeling stung by his removal from the GB he has accepted the decision as he understands he messed up.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns I actually agere with your point of his videos being deleted. A little interesting tidbit, though. His appearance in videos in Danish, either dubbed or subtitled (I'm from Denmark) has not been deleted. I noticed since I used some of the videos on my XJV information website, and I needed a few clips without sound as a b-roll and therefore downloaded the English version and noticed that the "Faith in action 1+2" are both 1-2 minutes shorter than the Danish versions and when going through them meticulously I could see that the parts with AM3 was kept in the subtitled versions and only deleted in the English language versions.
Well as for the drinking, I think two things must be taken into consideration. I have also witnessed excessive drinking amongst elders and servants and on bethel (my parents served at bethel for almost 25 years from I was 19 years old as my father was asked to join Bethel as he was a professor at the university in Computer Science so they needed him in that capacity. But you are absolutely right about the widespread use of alcohol. But members of the GB are still required to adhere to a higher standard than even the rest of the bethelites, and MUST be beyond reproach. I have seen even ordinary elders being disfellowshipped or at least stripped of their privileges simply for excessive drinking. On other instances the drinking has led to a car accident and suddenly there is a public police record, and that automatically invokes at least a private reproof and often a public reproof or even a DF'ing. In my last congregation an elder had a company making window tinting and he crashed into a light pole with his pickup truck, and the press immediately came and took pictures and in the papers the next day everyone recognized the truck with the company logo on the side and saw the headlines "SunTint CEO in DUI accident".
Maybe AM3 has either had to be pulled up from a ditch after crashing with a car or maybe showed up visibly drunk at a meeting. That simply cannot be left without consequences. People would know and the society would not be able to withstand that kind of scandal. So in such cases they would have to make him leave.
As for the illness I agree many has stayed on. But they have not suffered illnesses that impaired their cognitive abilities, such as perhaps Alzheimer's or other for,s of dementia. If that is the case one could not have AM3 stay on the GB as he would soon begin to say incoherent stuff og go on rants that are not in line with "present truth", etc. And both for the sake of the organisation and for the sake of his own dignity they might have relieved him of his duties on the GB, but since illness is a personal matter, not everyone wants an announcement about their health made to the entire community of JWs". I can easily imagine they would terminate his service on the GB before such a horrible illness progressed to a stage where he might say unpredictable things in public that might upset many. Maybe his obsession with the most ridiculous things such a tight pants, and his constant rants against homosexuals was some of the early signs of a progressive illness of the brain.
But your argument about deleting his material on the JW website certainly lends itself to the conclusion that he has to be erased totally from the history of the Governing Body. So I actually agree with that argument.
He is definitely out in good standing as he is now living in a nice house which is one of two adjacent (but not semi-attached) houses that belongs to the Watchtower Society, and some have even found him in the phone directory for that area of upstate New York and published a Google Streetview picture of the house. Both the house where the Morris couple lives and the house next door are property of Watchtower Society, so these houses are probably bought when they also bought land in Warwick so they will have such senior homes for long time members serving in high positions at the Headquarters but unable to care for themselves anymore. I know they also have a nursing wing for the bethelites of old age and widows, that can stay in bethel until they pass away. But in the Street View picture of the house one could recognize the Japanese car that Tony Morris was also seen in, in the "infamous" video from the liqueur store. It wasn't a mansion like Rutherford beth-sarim in San Diego, but it looks like a nice 3-4 bedroom house with a double garage, in a rather nice neighbourhood in upstate New York. So I agree he is out in "good standing", but I don't see any reason to rule out heavy drinking. Especially if caught visibly intoxicated in public or even having either been pulled over and fined for a DUI, or even been in a traffic accident while drunk driving. That would also lead to the stripping a regular elder of all privileges as a minimum response to such a public offence. Drinking in private settings and even a quite large gatherings amongst Jehovah's Witnesses are often overlooked - I totally agree. That is often seen in various settings such as weddings, wedding anniversaries, etc. and of course often at private parties. Up until few years before the serving of food at conventions in Denmark (about 30 years ago) they even served beer at Danish conventions, and I also heard they did the same in Germany and France, but that is only hearsay. I have only witnessed it myself in Denmark. That also lead to some embarrassing episodes and the last couple of years they only served light beer. But the Danes refused to stop drinking beer at conventions entirely.🤣😂
@@beninua You make very good points and broadly speaking I agree. Very interesting about the Danish translators not getting round to editing him out of the Faith in Action videos. I guess it's just a matter of when not if, that is if it does not escape their radar completely. I suspect there are some legal reasons as to why he's been removed from some videos and not others. My theory is that it has to do with whether he was reading from a script / teleprompter or approved outline or whether he was speaking off the cuff. They have deleted the videos where he was speaking off the cuff such as the morning worship ones and left the scripted / outlined ones. I guess their rationale is that in the scripted / outlined ones they could argue that he was just presenting the views of the organisation regardless of his personal opinion and therefore there is no need to delete those videos even though he is no longer a GB member. It's harder to make a similar case with his other videos where he just spoke with no approved outline especially if there are legal reasons that necessitated his removal. Having said that, the fact that they kept most of his videos suggests to me that he is still in very good books with the remaining GB members. It also suggests that removing him was very much against their wishes and a last resort. This is one of the main reasons I suggest he is unlikely to speak out.
Regarding his cognitive impairment, that is always a possibility for a man his age and also given the possibility of his excessive use of alcohol. However, I struggle to see how that would lead to his removal from the GB. You could argue that currently Gerrit Losch and Samuel Herd are more cognitively impaired than AMIII. Both are now restricted to doing prerecorded talks that they read from teleprompters. If the GB were concerned about his lunatic rantings they could have easily just restricted him to teleprompter talks as they've done with Herd and Losch. Also, it's not unheard of for a GB member to be severely cognitively impaired and still have major input in the doctrines and runnings of the organisation. A point in case is Karl F. Klein who in his twilight years was struggling mentally. This didn't stop him from coming up with the idea that Jehovah's name didn't need to be vindicated and only his sovereignty needed to be vindicated. This continued to be the official doctrine for well over two decades after his death. Similar with Tony. You could argue that his tight pants rantings were extraordinary. But they very quickly became the official policy and made it into the Watchtower and CO guidelines and they still very much remain the official policy today.
I do agree that his drinking could have led to an incident that became of public record. This would make him "irreprehensible" according to their doctrines. It's just interesting though how senior members of the organisation are treated differently to the rank and file. For example, I remember in the early 2000s there was a prominent district overseer in my home country that was removed for some misdemeanor. Although he no longer "qualified" to be an elder and was deemed not "exemplary" he still maintained his special pioneer status and was entitled to an allowance.
Very interesting about beer being served at conventions in Denmark. I'd come just for the beer hahaha. Final point, I think AMIII is in North Carolina and not in upstate NY.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns To your final point: You may very well be right. I am not an expert in US geography, and I only wrote based on my recollection that he had been given a house, and I remembered it as being in upstate New York, but on that point I may VERY well be wrong. I just remember seing the video where someone had presented the streetview of the address and showed the directory where his name (and Mrs. Morris) was listed on that particular adress. But I will not even begin to argue with you on that one, because I am absolutely convinced you are right.
It is absolutely true that the way up the ladder is what takes hard work. Staying on the ladder is quite easy if you've reached some level of privilege in the organization.
And I totally agree. They do have some distinction between the severity of sins although the Bible doesn't. Although the Bible doesn't have a distinction between the severity of the sins that usually are mentioned as disfellowshipping offences in the "Shepherd the Flock" book, there are some unwritten distinction between sexual immorality and drunkenness. And one that I have never seen invoked is gluttony. I have never seen anyone being either reproved or disfellowshipped for gluttony, although I have see morbidly obese brothers and sisters in many congregations, and not just some with some disease, but they also eat like there was no tomorrow on gatherings, to an extent that made others cringe or even feel sick. But I guess that this is a topic that is very hard to approach another person with, as it is very much a matter of personal taste what is too much and what is not. But it is still strange so much emphasis that are put on the sexual sins. The only things I have personally seen people disfellowshipped for in my 30 years in the JW organisation are sexual sins (mostly infidelity and sex between unmarried people, and a few instances of homosexuality), and fraud (such as business owners who got caught cheating on their tax returns, or tax evasion doing menial work in their spare time). I have seen a few reproved for being drunk on large gatherings of Jehovah's Witnesses, and I also remember a sister who strangely enough would never share her coffee from her thermos when the congregation was on an outing, but it turned out she had spiked her coffee with vodka. But she was not disfellowshipped but several times publicly reproved.
Well now I think of it I remember one brother from when I was very young that was disfellowshipped in our congregation, and it was a very strange sin, because although he was a bastard I am not exactly sure what biblical principle that was applied, but he was disfellowshipped because he owned some apartment buildings and he took way too high rent and did not keep his part of the obligations towards tenants, and did not repair a roof where rain was dripping in to the apartments, and he neglected a lot of his obligations, so basically he was an exploiter of other people in need, and that is of course not "very Christ-like" and I think that must be their reason. But that is by far the most peculiar reason for disfellowshipping I've witnessed. Before I was born a brother in my grandmother's congregation was disfellowshipped, because he had an antiques store where he specialized in antique paintings from the 1800's and he sold a lot of paintings like that, until one of his buyers complained and reported him to the police for having sold a painting that allegedly was 150 years old and "originally hung in some nearby castle owned by some baron". But when he hung up the picture on the wall he got wet paint on his clothes and fingers whereby he discovered that the painting was not 150 years old, probably not even 150 hours old. This story reached the press and the scandal became huge because many of his buyers got their paintings appraised after the publication of the story in the local newspaper and it turned out they were all painted by some imposter that knew the technique but only made cheap copies. The end of the story was that he went straight from being what was then called the congregation servant (later the Presiding Overseer) and to prison, where he served one year for fraud. He was disfellowshipped and after serving the year he never came back to the congregation and a few months later he shot himself in shame.
I remember my grandfather always said - even while the antique dealer was still the head of the congregation - that he knew there was something off with this man. My grandfather was not a JW, but he always stayed friendly with them all and they often came in the house to see my grandmother. And sometimes my grandfather went with my grandmother to a meeting just to say hello to a few of the members that befriended him. But he was a professional poker player and never wanted to give up that life, but he had could smell dishonesty from a mile away, and he always said to my Grandma: "That pastor of yours is an impostor!". She, of course, would hear nothing of it, but he couldn't resist a "Told you so" when the man was thrown in jail by the court, and it was all over the news.
Last but not least. I like the seriousness of your channel. I am always pleased to see some that present well researched arguments, who doesn't just lend their channel to all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories about AM3 being the head of a pedophile ring and that was the reason he was thrown out, as I've heard someone claim, although there is absolutely NO proof backing such a ridiculous claim. It takes more courage than one would think to do the right thing and only present well researched material and not just make up some sensationalist tabloid stories. Sometimes I have asked someone presenting unwarranted claims, to back their stories with some kind of evidence or argument, and sadly many people that just love these stories have made me the bad guy and scolded me viciously for being an apologetic - which couldn't be further from the truth.
First and foremost I am an atheist and have been for decades now, but furthermore I have an information website in Danish because very few Jehovah's Witnesses have had the chances I had and went to university, so there is a lack of material in their own language as it is rather tedious for those with no or little education besides elementary school, to sit through a one our podcast or video, so I took it upon myself to present material in Danish. I also contacted some of the best providers of content on JW, to make arrangements for me to make subtitles for some of their material and then link to their Videos from my website. That way the original content owner still get the views, but Danes can watch the video with Danish subtitles. (I worked 9 years for a production company that made documentaries and news material for local TV stations, and I was - amongst other things - one of the subtitlers that made Danish subtitles for videos in English, German, Swedish, Norwegian and a little Faroese. So that made the leap towards making subtitles for the best ExJW material very obvious, and I am glad to say that I get a lot of positive feedback.
My point of the importance of all material being truthful and well researched, is of course that claims that can easily be disproven will immediately become their proof that everything that ExJWs have to say are slander and lies. And that is indeed counter-productive. Therefore, I vehemently advocate that you only use material from credible sources that can be verified and that can stand up to a closer investigation. If we don't I believe we only shoot ourselves in the foot, and in the end push back the movement many years, by undermining the credibility of both the less serious as well as those of us that are diligent in all our research and who carefully select material that stand up to scutiny.
Thanks again for a brilliant video, with some very interesting points on the unique case of Tony Morris and the way he so rapidly disappeared into oblivion. It was interesting indeed.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns As for if the Danish Branch will remaster the translated versions of videos containing material with Tony Morris, I think that it may not be such a priority as there might be more people in the US in the circles around the GB who know the reason for why AM3 was deleted as a GB member, and therefore it is not considered of vital importance here in Denmark.
I don't think anything would slip "under the radar", and if the HQ wants Tony Morris edited out of videos in other languages, I don't doubt for a second that there will come a complete guideline from the teaching dept. in Warwick to the branch offices around the globe.
My parents worked at Bethel for the last 25 years of their life, except for the last few years where my mother became very ill, so they moved out and my mother became infirm pioneer, and my dad became a commuter bethelite. So he kept a lot of materials in his home, and when he died I made a promise to the branch to leave all confidential materials that my father kept in his home in one specifik room and putting the boxes of binders on a table for them to come and retrieve all the secret materials, but I must admit that I stole all I could get my hands on, as this is a once in a lifetime chance to see the innermost guides and papers that are never shared with the outside world, such as the Branch Guidelines, not to mention their vow of poverty, handbooks for bethelites ("Serving in Unity"), and of course a lot of general letters to members of the Bethel family from the GB, etc. (Many of these documents are published online in English, but for my Danish project it was a goldmine to find all these official Danish documents).
A funny little story about Denmark and food and drinks at the convention is that Denmark and France were the only two countries in the world where the serving of three meals a day along with burgers, sandwiches, hotdogs, ice cream cones, candy bars, soft drinks, breakfast, hot meals, and buffet style servings in the evening continued for 4 years longer than the rest of the world. Denmark and France simply wrote back to Brooklyn that they could forget about cancelling food at the conventions as the witnesses would simply stay away as food is such an important part of all gatherings in Denmark (and in France apparently), so they genuinely feared a significant drop in attendance, and to such a degree they managed to convince HQ for four years in a row to keep giving a dispensation to disregard the new policies. And when it finally had to stop, they did it gradually beginning with the large meals substituting for small warm snacks and sandwiches, and after a couple more years all that was served was coffee and tea, and finally that was also cancelled.
And the Danish branch was absolutely correct in their predictions. When I was young and a child and we had all these meals served each day and also all the delicious sandwiches and the pastry served in the evening after the afternoon program, and people stayed till late and had a nice time together. After they stopped serving meals and refreshments at conventions, the last persons left the arena within 20 minutes after "amen" in the conluding prayer after each day. Nobody wanted to stick around for the social aspect of the gathering, and now they just spread in all directions and some perhaps went to town, while others went to their hotel, as they saw no reason to stay.
He hasn't been booted he's suffering from the 💉💉💉💉💉 that's why no ones seen him he probably has the shakes
His brain is preserved by the highest scotch money can buy.
Well done !
when are you back on chaka
Hey James, Saturday 6pm UK time. I'm starting a new show where I discuss the most egregious content in the elders manual. The plan is these will be shorter videos about 15-20 minutes long but will see. I'll update once I've finished recording it tomorrow)))
ok chaka@@AnthonyMorrisReturns
@@jamesomahoney149 there's also a David Splane series coming up slated for Wednesdays
@@AnthonyMorrisReturnsgood I’ll look forward to that because David Splane gets on my nerves as he really reckons himself as a Hebrew and Greek bible expert and when he did away with 100 years of TYPE & ANTI TYPE speculation he basically threw all those interpretations out of the window SO .. What was TRUTH was NO Longer TRUTH 😀😀.. The Way of Earthling Man does not belong to follow his own step (Jeremiah 10v.23)
@@alecfowler157 he definitely does. Also David Splane gets his facts about the Bible Canon etc from the Da Vinci code by Dan Brown )))
The method of coming to a decision by a group sounds much like a ouija board.
Which brings up a good point, is it 'an ouija board' or 'a ouija board' Because its not pronounced oh, it's pronounced 'we'
Some stiöl have money from their relatives
Most white USA families are wealthy, I was told.
There was a short post made by a young lady pulling up in her car to a kingdom hall which apparently where Tony Morris attends and asked a brother if he was inside so as to answer for his abuse of her as a child is corroborative to ur theory so i wouldn't doubt it.Also this post was posted within a month of the announcement
@@jasonleslie4349 It is an interesting theory. I'm not sure they would give this lady access to Tony though
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns the brother she talked to told her he wasn't there
great video
Iam wondering why a lot of brothers and sisters want to know why Br Moris was removed from the governing body yet they know that even at congregational level, Elders will never disclose why Br x has been dishfellowshiped, they simply annouce to announce that "a person by the name of Y is no longer be one of Jehovah's witnesses" period and it ends there. Now why do you want the Governing body to announce the removal of Br Moris from the governing body? Unless you're an apostate or you want to become one like Br Uche?
Is it possible...
He refused to get jabbed
At no time did they say the gb were 100% jabbed. - only talked about bethel body jab percentage
Stephen made the comment about even the individuals in the gb needed to trust the slave. Implying that someone was breaking the status quo
Maybe he made the personal choice not too.
In the area that I live, elder bodies turned it into a litmus test of trust and a total act of fealty to the gb.
Anyone who didn't do it was df'ed if they talk as to why and removed from privileges or if they kept their mouth shut they got soft shunned to the extreme.
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The extreme way that "they went beyond what is written" regarding jabs woke me up
Interesting take. Tony Morris was definitely jabbed. See 2021 Governing Body Update #6.
True that there was a lot of divisions in the organisation and I'm glad their stance on jabs was able to wake you up 😀
@AnthonyMorrisReturns
by their own standards, the gb are very blood guilty, and jabs just added to it in a major way
They have shares in Pfizer which is why they pushed the jab. My unjabbed jw brother was deeply shocked they were pushing it
a long long video of speculation at best. i hold to the opinion that anthony morris did not accept the new direction of watchtower, that two new members were added so as to oust him out. be it noted that the man was not disfellowshipped, he was relocated. such a decision, however, does raise questions as to Jehovah's holy spirit in this matter, as the removal seems to be a corporate one, rather than spiritual.
Now who's speculating? Where's the evidence for this? If you're going to accuse others of speculating back up your arguments with facts!
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns the fact is, that according to existing laws, a governing body member can only be dismissed with a majority. thus the two new members that led to mr. morris being dismissed. he was not disfellowshipped, therefore, he could not be removed on that basis. he wasn't reproved either. instead, he was relocated to a familiar congregation, and given a life time lease on a townhouse courtesy watchtower. this was a corporate move, and the flurry of changes since morris' departure is strong circumstantial evidence that he was removed for the reason i mentioned.
@@edwardjjanzen23 to quote AMIII "doesn't bother me." I have presented evidence from the mouths of actual GB members including AMIII himself. You can choose to engage with the evidence or believe your own version of events. Either way I'm not losing sleep over why he was removed)))
You did a good job with this. Who or what are you then? Where do you stand ?
Selena V. That is why he was kicked out. She has the proof. So many will go down with him.
?we need details
Anthony morris only referenced that none of us know when its the end will come. Just stay alert
If JW really believes that we are living in the last of the last days, then why there are a lot of JW that keeps on working for material things.
Your dismissal theory of Morris sounds plausible, however the Watchtower has a history or reputation of saying one thing in PUBLIC and doing ANOTHER in PRIVATE...
For example they preach and talk about the Truth, Yet they LIE in Court....
They talk about LOVE and KINDNESS, Yet they Shun and isolate, They talk about the last days of the last days of the last days of the last days, Yet they are building multi million ulta movie studios, They talk about Jesus and Jehovah, Yet the turn to thier OWN book, " organized to do Jehovah's will"... for guidance
They tell the members that the organization is supported by voluntary donations, Yet they charge each Congregation per publisher head...
They ask the members to be careful with Alcohol, Yet they are caught buying booze in large quantities.
They tell the members, we are Jehovah's ONLY channel, Yet when quizzed in Court, they tell the Court, we are NOT the only ones, God can use whoever he chooses.
In Countries where the preaching work is banned, they don't sue, Yet they sue when charitable funds are withdrawn.
They warn against violent movies, Yet the are producing movies filled with violence.
They say we are not part of this world, Yet the get inspiration to allow beards from people in the world, such as Doctors, lawyers, Engineers and scientists who wear beards. ( Watch Letts speech)
They talk about impartiality, Yet the favor the Pioneers and Ministerial servants.
They say we follow bible teachings and truths, Yet the are showing us emotional fiction movies, that have nothing to do with bible truths and teachings.
They talk about unity and harmony in the Christian congregation, Yet it's Hi's and Bye's, you are only valued when you show up at the Kingdom hall.
When you show up at the meetings after a while, they say, oh we haven't seen you for ages, without trying to find out WHY? and if it's over 6 months, they call you inactive.
They talk about LOVE, Yet if someone passes away in a congregation very few attend their memorial service.
They don't want to take responsibilities of child abuse committed in households, Yet you get disfellowshipped when you commit a sin outside the Kingdom hall.
The list is just too long, I can go on forever, why people cant see that.
Moreover Lett doesn't want anyone to question his anointment, Yet he questions others who claim to be anointed.
That's I am very skeptical of what their broadcasts say, I can not draw any meaningful conclusion based on what they say in PUBLIC.....
What goes on behind the sense is kept secret, but now THANKS to whisle blowers, We know some of the things we would otherwise not have known.
To add to that, the everlasting changes of doctrines,
They say the bible doesn't change, Yet there is a new download for the New World translation as we speak, this shows a pure manipulation of data.
Soon or Later the truth about Morris will be known.
You dont need to bring these men down, they are already doing it ALL by THEMSELVES..
One thing I can tell you for sure, they are sleeping with ONE eye open now if at all..
Jehovah will expose anyone who uses his name to benefit themselves.
You make really good arguments. I might even plagiarise some of your ideas and transform them into a video ))) True, as JT says, no one does hypocrisy like the Watchtower organisation.
Yes, I agree, maybe the people that knew something were his own family. I believe it could have been the drinking problem. He was in war and has PTSD and a lot of times in age it will surface again. I don’t know , but this could be a reason. So, he wasn’t removed for buying the booze, but for repeatedly being abbreviated!
So we'll said! You put a lot of thought in this post. I would love to copy it and send to my MS brother, but then I would be considered an apostate. I still may do it. I've been planting little seeds of doubt in his mind. Thank you for your post.
Thank you my brother, All Glory goes to Jehovah. If someone ignores facts and commonsense, they are the ones with a problem, NOT you.
I'm a Jehovah's servant like you, yet I shared this with you, Here is why!
If I can go out there and preach to people in the WORLD about Jehovah and his purpose, so they can benefit from Jehovah's gracious promises - as an obligation according to Mat 5:15 - which says if you have light don't put it under the table, put it up so EVERYBODY can BENEFIT...
Moreover James 4:17 also says, if someone knows how to do what is right, and yet does not do it, it's a sin for him.
Why can I NOT do the SAME for my fellow BROTHERS and SISTERS, if I KNOW or SEE something WRONG with the LEADERSHIP, NOT to TELL them?
In 1 Thes 5:21 The Bible encourages us to check or examine everything we are TOLD, in addition 1 John 4:1-3 says to TEST every "INSPIRED" word..WHY? because the Bible warns us against FALSE PROPHETS ( 2Pet 2:1, Mat 7:15, Mat 24:11.).
So we have to be on the LOOKOUT.
Nobody needs to bring the GB down, THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT ALL BY THEMSELVES.
However, Mat 24: 46-51 says if the discrete slave TURNS EVIL, JEHOVAH will sort them out.
Things have changed since I got baptized, we are now seeing changes AFTER changes most contradicting each other.
For examples, beards are now allowed, which were previously getting people disfellowshipped, Sisters can now wear trousers, soon it will be tattoos, goodness knows what else.
We have LOST our IDENTITY, we are becoming more like a SOCIAL CLUB (" and we have membership")than a RELIGIOUS organization.
But that's NOT my biggest concern, my BIGGEST concern is THEM INVESTING in COMPANIES specialized in A!R DEFENSE system, manufacturing @pons of W@R.
They ALWAYS preach AGAINST W@R and here they OWN SHARES in these companies.
These are FACTS not fabrications, they are on local NEWS and allover the internet and Authorities websites.
I WOULD share it with others if I were you, If they call you "Apostate" for sharing FACTS, then they are the ONES with the problem NOT you.
You can try to put in a form of QUESTIONS and let them make up their own minds, if that would help.
For example, you can ask, the GB is against W@R, how come they invest in
A!R defense system? They tell us to keep our eyes simple because we are living in the last days, WHY are they building and spending money on super movie production studios? They tell us NOT to GAMBLE, how come they ACCEPT Lottery FUNDED money from Local Authorities?and so on...
If you Google or UA-cam Watchtower INVESTMENTS, you will find a wealth of information.
I ALWAYS tell my FRIENDS and FELLOW witnesses to BUILD a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JEHOVAH GOD and FOLLOW Jesus Christ's direction and REJECT anything that is contrary to the Bible teachings or MISINTERPRETATION of the scriptures.
@@JamesBRox-dv1pk why did you write all this! You don’t have to count time anymore! And by the way , you serve mere men, not Jehovah if you belong to JW.
I like Morris’ slip of, “maybe this was post-1975” (time marker 12:18). Really? Why would that be of any significance?
Do you know about Stay alive till 75?
@@rhondahart2416 Yes - probably the worst of their failed predictions in terms of impact on their members.
Makes sense
As been said the WT GB’s is Appointed /Anointed by Holy Spirit so in theory he was Removed by Holy Spirit !?! 🤔🤨🤣
Hopefully Stephen Lett and Sam Herd will be on the list for their comments about babies and women , either one of these comments are righteous
Stephen Lett and Sam Herd hate children. Sam Herd thinks women have small brains. Some exjw UA-camrs have made extensive videos documenting this.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns yes I know exactly what I'm referring to with their comments ,sick men
I think he voted against sisters in pants and brothers with beards.
He probably did! Sanderson definitely driving the chariot now🤣🤣🤣
I think you're way off. If he was removed for judicial reasons he would not be a pioneer in NC which has been verified. Most likely his wife was done and started complaining to others as many CO wives have been doing thus the massive turnover and sudden ending to CO careers.
Infirm special pioneer is a term they use to justify supporting older / infirm members of the organisation who they have deemed qualifies to continue being provided for despite being surplus to requirements. I don't suppose you believe AMIII goes door knocking every day trying to do 100 hours a month? Also why would a GB wife want to swap the luxury of being GB wife with oblivion. You can't compare a GB member / wife to CO / wife. The only reason for his swift removal was he committed a judicial offense and there was risk of it becoming public knowledge. I'm happy to hear you present your theories as to how his wife got him removed.
Yes, hence the removal. Look up Smurf Girl. She knows the family, and Anthony approved of her pedo. dad and pedo. uncle going to bethel knowing of their desires.
It's the booze and someone has come forward saying Uncle Tony molested her and her sister in the same congregation. Plus all the "friends" bought his quarter million dollar house he's living in now. This corporation could have bought him off with any of their multiple multi billion dollar accounts but they used the friends money instead.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns you have no proof that he committed a serious sin and yet you push that theory as if you were there.. Maybe his wife got sick and can no longer continue the extremely long week and days they put in... They work six days a week at bethel.. the man also has a voice! If Anthony Morris wanted to complain he could.. I guess the proof is his status as an active elder still qualifies... the question I have for you is this? What in the hell happened to you? Were you disfellowshiped and instead of working on your issues you got pissed off and stormed out? Just couldn't humble yourself? Interesting, your removed like AM3 was and you failed while he stayed strong.. your character is showing through loud and clear..
Give me a drink..... that talk was on Jesus asking the Samaritan women for a drink of water at the well. John 4:7-9.
Maybe the alcohol was for gifts...Who knows?Jesus is the high priest through whom we confess..not the pope....not the Elders
Bro Morris the fall guy.
I know understand why they go knocking on doors in pairs...
that is an awful lot of booze
Too much!
They all drink at Bethel it's a known fact. Morris wasn't ousted he walked away because of the changes being made!
Beards and no time being counted as well blood issue changes coming and shunning policies changes coming
yes even for an alcoholic😅
It's the Bottlegate video that got e'm booted.
The first theories really did not convince me like you, however, the fourth one can be true, note this means it cannot.
My challenge with your analysis is that you trust the GB system, the people who lie for a living, you think that they cannot bent the rules or whatever they state is exactly how they do things.
I am glad that you used elders as an example, yes the elders may not remove a brother for your example, but we know and some of us had experienced elders ressurecting old stuff and creating traps for an elder to be removed, so as they can continue with whatever they wanted to do that this other alder seemed to be a stumbling block.
We have certain elders been removed because a member of their families has done wrong at the same time we have elders who do not get removed for the wrong doing that needs removal, how, by simply applying difference admonishment, instead of disfellowshiping then then caution the person.
This is also possible in the GB, to remove a person for the reason that he is a stumbling block, but invoke another issue as a scapegoat.
I do not believe that the GB study the Bible and review issues as a group, I would if I had never study Ray Franz’ book Crises of Conscious.
Actually, Ray Franz was also not removed through right channels, his accussation did not hold water.
Ray was removed because he ahd a meeting with his boss, who was disassocaited himself, just becuse there was a tea in that meeting. However, we know that, that was not the reason, the reason was that they could not disfellowshipped him in Bethel, though they wanted to, as he did not commit a disfellowship act, but the GB did not want him to continue in the organisation.
So, to trust these thugs that they work like a USA Constitution is not to understand the power hungry GB.
Thank you for your comment; you've given it a lot of thought. In the case of Ray Franz his removal from the GB wasn't because he was associating with a disassociated person. In his own words he was accused of apostasy. He reports that when he was away on leave other bethelites who were thought to be his accomplices were interrogated and in a lot of cases removed from Bethel. When he returned he was interrogated by the Governing Body and because he was actively speaking out against official teachings he was asked to resign from the GB. The disfellowshipping came later after he was seem eating with a disassociated one.
AMIII's situation is different. As far as we know he lives in accommodation owned by the organisation and being provided for by the organisation. Also as far as we know both his sons and his daughters in law are in good standing with the organisation with one son serving on the US Branch committee. There is just no evidence anywhere that AMIII was acting in any way that would cause him to fall out with other GB members over policy. Most people forget that a lot of the changes in the organisation have happened while AMIII was on the GB including literally a month before he was removed.
I also genuinely do not see why the GB would lie about how they make decisions when the process does not paint them in a positive light. Bear in mind also that they are speaking to an audience who lap up their every word without any thought. If Winder or Splane were speaking in court or to the media or other secular I would see the need to lie.
Reading through the comments that have come up on this thread I can see that a lot of people have bought into this theory that he fell out with other GB members over policy and it seems to me the desire for this to be true is making people disregard the clear evidence. At the end of the day if we want to make an objective analysis, we can only go by the evidence we have which is Governing Body members are not removed over policy disagreements as they can just sit out any impasse even if it takes 10 years.
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns No. I never said that Ray was disfellowishipped in Bethel nor that the issue was because of fellowship with disasociating employer.
The GB wanted to disfellowiship Ray in Bethel but they could not.
Ray left the Bethel and in a congregation where he lived, a subtle persecution began, obviously with the instigation from powers above.
Then the only way to settle the Bethel scores, Ray had to be accused of associating with a disassociated person, though the person was his employer and they were in a business meeting.
All I wanted to demonstrate to you is that, the GB and its elders are human and they do not stick to rules if they want to achieve their neferious goals.
Ray’s sin in the eyes of the GB was to have a different take on certain scriptures; after they managed to disfellowship those who were around him, they couldn’t disfellowiship him, however, they put a trap for him.
No following of rules that you stated, that is they get bend when they like, therefore I would not bet my life that the elders and the GB strictly follow certain rules and they abide by them all the time. That is my only challenge I have with your argument.
@@mthokozisilanga4497 You make very good and valid points and everything you say about Ray Franz is 100% accurate.
Having said that, there is no evidence to suggest that AMIII's exit has any similarity to Ray Franz'. It appears AMIII's exit was as much a shock and unexpected for the GB as it was for the rest of us. AMIII was fronting the Governing Body update as late as December 2022. He also had a morning worship video which I think was meant to be part of the March 2023 JW Broadcasting and was pulled at the last minute. I just think the circumstances leading to the two men's exits are completely different and there's no evidence to suggest they should be placed side by side.
I reckon Anthony Morris will be reactivated when everything gets reset for the jubilee year. Hey, you never know😂
One can only hope! The new guys are too boring! 😀
@AnthonyMorrisReturns I certainly agree with that.. They are very boring, which is one thing that ATMO could never be charged with...
Is there any possibility that he has Alzheimer’s? I’m about 20 minutes into the video.
He could but as I discuss in the video that's not a reason to be removed from the GB and from Bethel. They actually have an infirmary at Bethel with round the clocks medics and other carers
@@AnthonyMorrisReturns thank you
Here’s the real question has he been IN PERSON at the meetings. Remember that Jw broadcast he did after covid where he keep saying IN PERSON. Well Mr. tight pants Tony have you been to them IN PERSON?????
We would have heard by now if people had seen him, right? As JT says "no one does hypocrisy like the Watchtower" in this case represented by the GB who are represented by AMIII
That Morris likes fine whiskey just makes him more relatable to me. What's Stephen Lett into? Must be hunny because he sounds like Winnie the Pooh. I hate JW as I was thrown out of a KH in Nanaimo at age 18 by 2 bouncers and landed face first in the gravel-no going back! I went communist.
Why not transparency
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Yeah why did they uy him a home
Because he's still their bestie and they know he has dirt on them 🤣🤣🤣
He has too much dirt on them and learned/helped form the extortion they use to get their way while he was GB. To me it was no different than the golden parachutes they give to CEO's who could come back and sink a company if they don't take the fall alone.
I feel that's why they bought him a house. To shut up
He never believed in Armageddon
You know I love this whole Armageddon talk. Revelation 16:16 And they(the demons) gathered the kings and armies together at the PLACE called Armageddon. One has to read the words carefully which this org does not. Armageddon is a PLACE in Israel, modern day Jezreel valley 90 miles north of Jerusalem. All armies gather for battle to get their marching orders, 14:1 tells us Yeshua puts His feet down on Mt. Zion which is outside of Jerusalem because the battle is over Jerusalem, it's always about Jerusalem. Armageddon is not a war. There are world wars at this time period but there's no Armageddon war.
This is a high control group that rules by fear. And they're a bunch of high school drop outs that don't have an education in the ancient languages. The Book wasn't written in English.
Hie guys
Wish i vould understand more of this lovely gentlemans vocabulary.......:(
He's speaking clear English. Which planet are you from and what language do you speak?
The reason Uncle Tony’s Departure is always an enigma is because there is no evidence to prove he is still alive. Never disregard the criminal history of the Watchtower Business and their Leaders.
He's still alive as far as we know. The organisation bought him a property that he and his wife can use until the end of their lives. I don't want to be accused of doxxing so I won't reference the channel on which these details were provided but yeah he's alive and being looked after by the organisation.
Just provide any proof that he is alive to us. It is very simple. Some photos? Short videos? Short recordings? All of these can be provided with dates and time!
My first concern is that of what interest is it to anyone who dissociated himself or herself from the organisation to be bothered by what happens inside the organisation. This is like divorcing a partner and still be bitter about who he/she sees. For your infor, even when an ordinary publisher is disfellowshiped the reasons arw never disclosed, why shall it be different with Br Morris? Only an apostate seeking to discredit the organisation will probe for such details. If you are happy you withdrew youself be happy where you are and don't look and be interested in your own vomit
Why would an active member of this cult watch a video made by an apostate? I hope the elders in your congregation get wind of your disobedient behavior.
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He represented an organization that ask the children to donate their ice cream money, so spending such an amount on booze was offensive.
it is certain he s still alive
Is Tony Morris anointed by Jehovah and Christ Jesus or Not?????
I'm sure he won't let them take away his only remaining claim to fame 😃
We serve Jehovah not imperfect humans. Jehovah's purposes will be fullfillwd. Jehovah will protect his serbant provided that we put our trust in Him and our Saviour, Jesus Christ. There is no other religion for me. I trust Jesus and Jehovah!!
Humans made up the religion ,its not real
A practising JW told me TMIII has cancer and thats why he left Bethel
Now they are not even trying. Lots of GB members have had serious health issues later in life like Dan Sydlik who was allowed to stay on the GB until he died at 87. If he left for health reasons why delete his 12 morning worship videos and his videos in Enjoy Life Forever?
Make sense
I can’t even be bothered to write this properly and quite wasting the public’s precious time with stupid suppositions. Do not consider your information of up building
He's been erased
Why in the heck don’t you wait until you know the facts.Some of you nit picks are really starting to irritate me because you just want to fill time and make assumptions. I don’t agree with the govenoring body telling others to not listen to anyone but them and trying to get deciples of themselves but you are completely lacking in good motives from what I see in just trying as hard as you can to find fault in nonsense and I don’t appreciate your presumptuous comments. I agree as the Bible says to declare the truth and teach the truth but approach take bores me and irritates my sense of justice and truth and some of your material is guessing and of no value to defending truth and I am becoming more and more angry at your useless fault finding and would appreciate not wasting my time when I am interested in truth and not
whisky and ONU water gate thats a little too much brother
Now look at the latest changes from report #2, in the light of this video, it's clear he was standing in the way..
Just wanted to give the people them bad name
Tony is a drunk, he got arrested for fleeing the scene of an accident because he was drunk
This was a long video devoted to more speculation. Personally, I can't help but think he must've done something wrong, was repentant, but no longer qualified to serve as a gb member. (But is he still an elder? I have no idea! ) Otherwise he could've just gently faded into the background, holding onto his gb title, like others have done in the past. I wonder if an appointed man could be removed for a belligerent attitude, for continuing to complain, being disruptive, or being uncooperative. Surely that would be a cause for division, a cause of disunity and a lack of peace. The gb members are just humans with all the failings common to humans, and they can lie and play mind games to save face.
Well speculation is too strong a term when I'm showing you the actual words of Governing Body members from their actual mouths and from the publications they write. Speculation is when you're making up stuff in your own head and then spreading this which is the opposite of what I'm doing. Every point I make in the video I'm backing up with either video evidence or evidence from the publications.
Also, I find it interesting that you criticise me for making a "long video devoted to more speculation" when in the very next sentence you make the exact same suggestion I've made in the video. You then go on to speculate that he was removed for having a belligerent attitude. If I could get a penny for each time anyone threw out that wild theory I'd be a rich man by now. You like others who promote this theory do not know AMIII personally. Your only knowledge of him is through the talks he's given in front of camera. You don't know how he interacted with other GB members or other people close to him, so how can you claim he has a belligerent attitude? Where's the proof for that?
Thank you for watching the video and contributing to the debate. Really what I'm trying to show people is to use Occam's razor: the simplest solution is usually the right one 😀
I left WT in my heart and mind a year ago. I will not give you or anyone else on UA-cam a precious 1 hr 20 ofd minutes of my life that could be spent in study and service to others. You don’t know what happened!
Happy to spend a couple of minutes of my time typing this comment though🤷♂️😂
Projecting fear we are all as giulty
He bought 6 standard sized bottles of an expensive brand. It's half a case - not a huge ammount.
Just come back to the organization you belong it never too late, your language, appearance and everything suggest
you nothing but one of Jehovah's witnesses forget about Moris now!
@@chilufyamumba2806 I'll come back on one condition: That Anthony Morris III is reinstated as a Governing Body member with immediate effect!
You are just wasting your time waiting for whether or not Moris 111 will be reinstated or not God loves you my brother my former Elder. I don't think you can fit well in these other faiths. By the way since it's one year now since Br Moris was removed from the governing body has been dishfellowshiped or is he still serving Jehovah in one way or another as a Jehovah's witness? Your quick response will highly be appreciated
@@chilufyamumba2806 AMIII is not disfellowshipped. He lives in a property paid for by WTBTS and is entitled to live there until both he and his wife die
haha 😂😂sorry gays Malala’s that’s ok it’s natural
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I can’t even be bothered to write this properly and quite wasting the public’s precious time with stupid suppositions. Do not consider your information of up building .and I am sick of your theories
A reliable Bethel source told me bro Morris has alzheimers disease
I don't doubt you were told that. But I don't believe it for a minute. There have been infirm and mentally declining governing body members in the past. They were never removed. I suspect without any proof, that it was doctrinal.
Thats not a reason to be removed from the Governing Body. I don't know if you've seen the interview on the Lloyd Evans channel of the guy who used to be Karl Klien's carer. Klien was in far worse shape than AM III towards the end and yet stayed on the GB till his death
Yes, and they would be made more of a fuss as how wonderful he was and would have kept his recordings.
@@paulathomas2132 indeed he literally would have been fodder for interviews on every episode of JW Broadcasting
Also it’s a ‘good story’ that the society would want spread about by ‘reliable bethel members’ rather than tell the real reason.
tight pants Moris the cat got booted out because a woman came forward said she was raped by him 20 years ago , so again there was the 2 witness rule and yes its an other cover up ,but the law knows better .
Child sex abuse
I curios as to the spokesperson for JW.Horde
I think his children made him start some critical thinking back then.