If Ten Hag Goes, Who's Next?! | Off The Bar
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Carlo Ancelloti, Gareth Southgate, Julian Nagelsmann are just a few names linked to replace Erik ten Hag next season. But would any of them be an upgrade? Join Stephen Howson, Jay Motty & Joe Smith for Off The Bar!
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0:00 - Video Start
1:57 - Ten Hag Barbers
4:07 - De Zerbi
11:07 - Potter
16:01 - Southgate
27:27 - Tuchel
31:02 - Amorim
34:22 - Frank
37:16 - Zidane
48:54 - Naglesmann
55:35 - Top Three Choices
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Do you want Erik ten Hag to stay next season?
Yes, none of the managers linked are better than him
11000000000000%
I'm really not sure, the performances all season have been shocking. We consistently play crap every game no matter who Ten Hag picks!! Last summer transfer window was a shocker
Yes. Ten hag should be allowed to continue his project with better players.
@@rickharrison6325 We did buy what seems to be only the 2nd good purchase since Fergie left, in Hojlund. The other being Bruno, so it wasn't that bad.
I would rather bring Ole back then Potter or dezarbi
Honestly agree, really don't get De Zerbi in the slightest. Potter did a better job, just got slapped by Roma, what's he achieved to make him better than Ten Hag?
Mad how no one’s really mentioning Inzaghi ! What he’s done at Inter is ridiculous
Intro got me hyped, fucking love a fuming Howson
🙄🙄🙄🙄 Grrrrrrr anger 🙄🙄🙄🙄
It is actually unlistenable. The man has no self control and literally can't let other people speak.Nobody finishes a sentence before he is cutting them off and going on another rant. Utterly weird.
From the squad Arteta inherited in Dec 2019, only 5 of them remain. In the same period Man Utd still has 15 of the players registered in the 19-20 season.
Make of it what you will.
And this is the main problem, people cry about the glazers but when you keep players who have proven time and time again they’re not good enough then the problem never fades. Rinse & repeat for the last 10 years
@@devans5118 People cry about the glazers because they are keeping the players LOL
@@Pastas666 if you genuinely think the glazers are the reason for players like martial and lindelof being there for so long then you’re as stupid as you sound 😂
The reason for that is we keep selecting the wrong managers for the job. We shuffle through managers too fast and each one wants to have 1 season to assess each player. By the time that 1 season passes, we’re on to the next manager. We need ten hag to stay so he can make the transfers that he needs to make, these things take time. Alex Ferguson wasn’t an immediate success story either!
Hmm...that says a lot about the recruitment policy and how the Club has been run long before Ten Hag's arrival. The Glazers have done so so much damage to United. The Club is just a "Cash Cow" and nothing more to them.🙄
Stick with Erik but I’d take Ole back over any of the options that have come up lately
My top choice is Ten Hag. He is in a weird position, where injuries hamper any progress. His first choice CB are unavailable, so he can't play high line and compact formation. Give him the right players and then judge again. He IS the best choice manager going forward. At least for now. There will always be a way to sack him if that is necessary, but for now, I say stick with him.
But if he does get sacked, my top picks would be
1. Amorim. Won title first time in 19 years, not 5 or 6... Cleared out the squad and promoted youth. Signed some talented players. Players like Inacio, Ugarte, Diomande, Gyokores, Matheus Nunes, Joao Pahlinha, Goncalves, Porro, Nuno Mendes have played under him and all have suitors across Europe. His teams are solid defensively and his best attributes are his social skills and connection with players.
2. Nagelsmann. Young wonderkid, tactical genius. He has some of the best CV ever for a manager in his mid 30s. He learns from his mistakes and likes to tweak mid games. Also relies on building connection with players.
Tuchel, Flick, De Zerbi, Frank, Southgate, Potter, Zidane are so uninspiring as candidates.
😃
so we can judge him based off this season, but we sure judge him based off last season and the tip 3 finish even tho we didn't do jack shit against top teams, and chelsea spurs and liverpool went through last season exactly what we are going through.
We only got top 3 because those teams had these issues.
where we are right now is exactly what we should be under ETH. a top 6 side. just the truth. get rid of him and let's start a proper rebuild. sack half the players as well
@@shafer.chris.2244You are talking like EtH took over a team that had finished 1st in the league and won the UCL. Wake up, EtH took over a team that was 8th in the league and very bad.
Most sensible comment I've seen on our managerial situation in a long time
@@BaronSlayer 8th are you sure?
Love that your putting more content on Spotify, really makes the work day go a bit quicker
I don't even want Southgate to clean our toilets let anywhere near the first team
That's brutal.😂
Jay and Joe are genuinely intelligent AND funny, always. Howson just SHOUTS A LOT and thinks he is 🙄😂
1. ten Hag (at least until his contract is up)
(A gap)
2. Inzaghi
(A massive gap)
3. Nagelsmann
4. Ole (under an actual board)
5. Mourinho (if we’ve missed other candidates and made it this far then why not)
(Another massive gap)
57. Andy Tate
58. Southgate
This was brilliant 😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and I agree 100%. Put my name in the hat ahead of Southgate btw
I think you're ranking Southgate too highly
😂 "57 Andy Tate..."
😂😂😂😂
@@Chriztefur I'd call him worse than that.
I'd get back ole before any of these. And I know it looks like I'm just saying that bc of the interview yesterday but I've been saying it since ten hag started to falter. If ten hag has to go, there's only one guy I want. But I'm sticking with ten hag right now.
I’m in the same boat. I want Ten Hag to have a couple seasons with backing from a competent setup. If that doesn’t work, I’d love to see what Ole could do under a good setup. I feel like he got absolutely fucked by bad management of the club.
People talk too little about the fact that EtH now has two more years of experience navigating and managing this dumpsterfire of a club than any of these new managers you talk about. That alone is reason enough to keep him, he is working his way through the pains every manager has had here since SAF. Just keep going. Give him a chance with INEOS
1. Ten Hag 2. Solskjaer 3. De Zerbi
😂😂😂😂
no wonder this club is mudded.
If Southgate becomes the manager i m leaving MU
@@Charlie_NiceHe’s a champion, that is a championship level manager and that’s where we could end up with him.
@@Charlie_Niceappointing Southgate is club suicide. The guy doesn’t have a fucking clue… got no respect or skin in the game to speak of… where are his credentials?
Jays description of Southgate could literally be applied to EtH
Tbh I thought that’s who he was describing at first in the intro.
It’s like when Ste has his arguments against Southgate it can literally be applied to Ole at United but Ste backed him the whole time
Give Ole his job back.He did really well and could do better with Sir Jim and co behind him.
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not and that’s scary
3 years no trophies do one mate. Sack this clown and get a better manager not a clown
@@BurkeyNWReally?
Tuchel?! You must be mad. He's the German Mourinho and I don't mean that as a compliment.
He wishes he was Mourinho.
German Ten hag
What's wrong with Mourinho? Or being German 😂
Nagelsman if he's available. His Bayern side were very decent and he will become a great manager in the coming years if given a chance. Nagelsman is better than Ten Hag period. Started younger and has had bigger jobs.
Bayern is the only bigger job… he wouldn’t be available until very late as well, as he’s the Germany coach
@@michaelwilkinson9425 Its not a bigger job than United. The pressure is so extreme at United due to the sheer amount of publicity you get. Only Real is a bigger job in world football.
@@Djsonley Didn’t say anything was a bigger job than United… you’re correct on the part that it’s the most scrutinised position.
If they appointed Nagelsmann this season, it’s setting him up for a fall… late start… structure not yet rolling… another poor league finish and no silverware 🤷🏽♂️
@@michaelwilkinson9425United even when they are garbage its a completewly unfair position also at United from fans / media. Bayern is unfair for all together other reasons mainly the politics of ex players back stage hurting managers and talking to the german media. Both intense jobs for sure.
I honestly don't want to see EtH get sacked. I think he's done a good job when you factor in all he's had to deal with. I would really like to see what he can do when he has the right people and structure above him.
No.
He’s the root cause of nearly all the problems this season.
I couldn't disagree more. I think the fact that they had so many injuries, to so many key players, has probably been the biggest factor. Also not having true leadership in the administration, from the owners on down has been the major problem at United since the Glazers took over. If you look at what's gone on since Sir Alex and Gil left it's plain to see. We've had some good managers who haven't worked out because of the ineptitude above them. How many times can it be the manager's fault?@@inBODwetrust13
One thing that is kind of ignored around Ten Hag is , Ten Hag didnt meet Rangnick while he was waiting for him to discuss his findings, second ten hag was not excited to work with Rangnick. Ten Hag did a big mistake there if it was an egoistical decision that he wouldnt trust others recruitment and it has backfired. Rangnick wouldnt have suggested to buy antony at that price even going for mount instead filling the immediate deficiency was another wrong move by ten hag in recruitment . Ten hag is a great coach but him having free run in recruitment was plainly wrong
You’re right. EtH flew too close to the sun and that Rangnick decision was stupid. Then his hook over when he wanted to have over-arching leadership over the youth team and purchases.
I still hope there’s a good coach in there, but I with the players we have I, I am struggling to see him do anything at all with them.
Ragnick literally tore united’s board to shreds in a press conference. There is no way EtH could express interest in working with him; he would’ve been out of the door before he had even started.
This was mint…had such a laugh at many moments during this video 👏🏻👏🏻
My dad calls de zerbi Sony Tark because he looks like a budget Tony Stark🤣can’t see him any other way now
"The part time league up in Scotland"... the same league that Sir Alex Ferguson came from, our greatest and maybe the greatest manager of all time. Another A+ opinon from Stephen...
Winning the Scottish league wasn’t what made Sir Alex great when he was at Aberdeen. He won the fucking European Cup.
@@scottsinner7530he won a cup winners cup. Not the European cup with Aberdeen.
After watching "How Inzaghi is Redefining Attacking Football" on another UA-cam channel. How Inzaghis philosophy is, how Inter attack, interchange positions, how they defend. Inter is cooking this season as well. 69 goals and only 13 conceded this season in all competitions, most of all in top 5 league. My hope now is, if Ten Hag leaves, Inzaghi is the new manager at Manchester United.
It wouldn’t work as well here, the football is faster and the average level of quality is also higher.
He also has a very solid team… wait until he rocks up and sees the absolute mountain of garbage that our squad is 😅😂
We shouldn’t have sacked Ollie and sacking ETH would be the same mistake.
3 years no trophies was a mistake this is why we have fans thinking it’s acceptable to be 6th and lose 11 games
@@marcus8030 what do you expect from this team? ETH winning cup was a miracle. Players are useless
@@jaru05 winning a league cup ain’t a miracle Klopp literally done that with kids. That should be the bare minimum of a Manchester United manager
@@marcus8030 dont compare Klopps Liverpool with United ETH has. Klopps been there 9 years.
@@jaru05 Klopp is a better manager. ETH isn’t better Emery
Fantastic episode.
Ste's reaction at 16:39 is pure gold!
De Zerbi just got plastered 4-0 by Roma tonight with his style of play. The plummet of Brighton after the hysterical wank off earlier on is amusing to say the least. But of course football fans will never learn.
Facts, people are oblivious to all the spankings Brighton has been having as of late. I personally don't want anyone except ETH. If..and I mean IF INEOS does sack ETH, I'd prefer Nagelsmann.
It's actually both embarrassing and hilarious how the current best performing manager hasn't even got a mention, Simone Inzaghi. But yeah, let's discuss other candidates where most of them haven't even achieved anything close to what he has and currently is achieving with Inter Milan. I mean, why would Manchester United want to hire the guy who has a track record of rebuilding teams, winning all the trophies in the country he coaches in, reaching a European final with a squad full of "cast-off's" while playing better than the proclaimed best team in the world, breaking records across Europe's top five leagues, etc.
The best spoonerism ever is a “Bag Of Sugar”😂 Ten Hag is struggling, but ALL the other candidates are just so uninspiring. Its tricky. De Zerbie has potential, but it’s by no means certain he can handle United.
Ste can't stop praising Southgate 😂😂
🤣🤣
This comment section shows exactly why the club is mudded. There are people really saying to bring Ole back 💀
Chronicles of a death foretold is a BRILLIANT book Joe.
You telling me 1966 was only 35 years ago? 🤔 sweet 👍
Whenever anyone makes the argument of Southgate being a good manager because we got to a semi and a final, I just think about how he was actually likely the reason we didn't walk it. Another manager with the team he has wins at least one of those competitions.
Imagine ancielotti managing England we would be back to back world cup champs and a euros under out belt. If you want a cup winning he is the best manager to do it. His selections are perfect
Ste spitting straight facts 🔥
We really really need new center backs this summer. We can't keep playing a deep defensive line because we don't have the players to play differently.
Agreed. It’s the position that will have the most impact on the overall team. Being able to play higher up the pitch will help bring out the best in the midfield and Onana
Yes, that's quite obvious that isn't it. Hope you loved the video and thumbnail. A true red. The video is discussing which manager is next, not what transfers we need. Maybe watch the video instead of just looking at the thumbnail.
Joe’s Rattcliffe-Potter joke went ovdr their head haha
Chelsea fan but came here for the laughs on your reaction to Southgate🤣 that said, you make loads of good points on him. Jay’s point about the whole culture improvement being attributed to him was the best though. He’s absolutely bang on when he says that it is much more down to the changing nature of the world as opposed to any specific input from Southgate. The media propagates this ridiculous myth that England will fall apart when he leaves and that makes sticking over twisting worth it. Reality is that England have a production line of players coming through and the dressing room dynamic takes care of itself as well given the changing personalities of players these days.
The thing that makes me worry about de zerbi is that we all wanted ten hag because of his style of play at Ajax. Similar to Brighton Ajax’s squad typically goes through major overhauls bc bigger teams are constantly buying their players. Both Ajax and Brighton have a very good recruitment structure above the manager. If we get de zerbi I don’t think he can implement his style of play with the squad that we have
Ole.
Possible short term one if they go that route:
Luciano Spalletti. Current Italy and former Napoli manager. For: Won a lot for big clubs too. Drives a Fiat Panda. Can bring Osimhen with him. Looks a laugh. Against: he’s 65. Edit: him and Carrick and properly prime Carrick for the permanent job for a couple of years.
I spoke about Marco Rose, Simone Inzaghi & Marcelo Gallardo 3 seasons ago. They are all still relevant. In order 1. Gallardo 2. Inzaghi 3. Rose. I'm more on board with these than Tuchel, Southgate, Potter, Frank etc. Gallardo was the South American Pep. River Plate dominated everyone
Ancelotti is only 4 years older than Ian Wright 😅
One of the all time classic quotes from Ste Howson: “The only thing Gareth Southgate is known for is a Walker’s advert and two relegations.”
Everyone is sleeping on Inzaghi. Look at what he is doing with Man Utd rejects
imagine Joe on the touchline... the jumper choices would be mint...
Am not impressed with the lists for new coaches at all none seem an improvement to what we already have and on top of that we aren’t likely to get first choices anyways because liverpool barca and bayern are looking for new coaches as well and all 3 of those look like more complete teams to come to than we do.
I would like to give Ten Hag another year, but if we are changing, I just hope it's no one who prefers 3 at the back formation. I hate it
The fella from Sporting Amorim?, or Inzaghi would be my choices. For alllllll the rumors Southgate is not being considered. I don’t think Potter is either, it’s just easy to presume because of the Ashworth connection. If INEOS are responsible they should have a list of managers they’d want if and when ETH leaves.
That fella from Sporting may done well but is he good enough for the Premier League Portuguese league is a lower standard
The concern about de Zerbi is that Brighton are about as good as it gets in terms of internal structures.
You might wager a number of managers would do as well as him under that system.
Honestly, If those are the choices then we should just stick with Ten Hag
We as a team are so negative now, if Southgate was our manager if would get even worse if thats possible.
Nah, the real hipsters’ choice is Kieran McKenna. Someone who consistently finishes above their league expectation. Knows the club and the players. Knows the standard of quality required in English football and the Premier League. With a good structure around, he can do bits.
Maybe they’ll give it to Bruno after his captaincy..
I’m 5 minutes in the video and it sounds like Ten Hagg talk 2 years ago
I imagine the autobiography of Richard Attenborough is a great read.
I just watch this for the comedy. "..that one in the corner playing with blocks"
Potter’s Brighton could not score to save their lives. We already have a team that can do that.
Sporting didn't win the league for 19 years before amorim won it in 2021
The Southgate discussion was hilarious.
They need to give him time. Ten Hag showed the first season he can get results. Like Ole just said latest interview taking the next step and establish a dominant playstyle is whats hard. Just look at Artheta. How bad wasn't Arsenal in the prosess. To take that step we need different kind of players. We need players that are press resistant and players that can keep the ball in the team.
Regarding Southgate, the 2 tournaments in which he excelled, he played Sweden and Ukraine in the Quarterfinals, which was quite the anomaly. Then when he played a France in a quarterfinals, it was business as usual.
De Zerbi’s Brighton who got hammered 4-0 in the Europa cup last night after this was recorded!! Has he ever won anything BIG????
33:34 amorim does not have flexibility in tactics and formation. He’s charismatic but if you dont get on board, he burns the bridge without thought no matter how talented they are. Probably be harder to do that with 100 million signings. Guys like antony or rashford would be cut. But hes also loyal to favorites that are shit
Di Zerbi is a likely shout, the football board want control of choosing our transfers, thats fergie BTW at this stage, and Di Zerbi is willing to work without any input into transfers, so its very likely
Euro 2020 (played in 2021) was 55 years since 1966.
Im ten hag in we have 11 player only 3 that would get in to a top 4 team maino hojlund garnacho so we need that rebuild at the end of season 🎉🎉
Interesting debate. I’d keep ETH and let him have a season concentrating on developing a team with a proper modern structure surrounding him - it feels anything he could achieve now would be despite the current structure, and without the distractions of the mess over Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho.
How do the first 1.5 seasons under ETH, compare to the first two or three of the likes of Klopp and Arteta?
I don’t think amorim and united are a good fit.. but you can judge him bc sporting went 19 years without a league title, so if he wins 2 within 4 years, its impressive and out of the norm
Southgate is a yes man to the FA , that's all he is
We have a good manager and now it seems we have a good structure developing behind him. Give him another couple of years and reassess.
Thought Ste was talking about Ole at the start....
If you think sacking Ten Hag is the answer to Utd's problems you havent a clue about football. Last season was a decent start but he's been hampered bigtime by injuries to key players. Look at his signings.....Antony had a good first season, lacked world class end product but showed he has talent. This season should have seen further improvement and development but those off field allegations and injuries set him back. His season only really started a month or so ago. Casemiro had a great first season but has missed more than half of this season. Martinez, great first season then injured, comes back and looks impressive and injured again. Malacia is a young player with promise, injured again all season. You cant tell me any one of these 4 players are bad, or were bad signings. Then look at his summer signings before this season...Mount, injured, barely had a kick all season. Hojlund, injured, came back and developed form and confidence and looks like a quality player, then injured again. Onana, a few shaky moments at the start but has been solid in recent games. Amrabat is far too injury-prone and looks like a poor man's Casemiro. But he was a loan signing, and I highly doubt he will be signed permanently. Look at the other injuries then..... Shaw, Wan Bisaka, Maguire, Martial...The rest of the squad are not his players. Ten Hag wants to play football and likes players who are very comfortable with the ball at their feet, passing and moving in tight spaces. Shaw can do that, and Dalot, Mainoo, Fernandez, Garnacho and Greenwood can also do it, but the rest are very limited in terms of technical ability, and their future is in doubt at Utd imo. Lindelof is barely a half decent center-half, never mind a good full back. McTominay is a decent squad player, but not a first team regular. Eriksen has quality but his legs are gone and he's injured all the time. Varane is coming to the end; useful squad player but too injury prone. Rashford too inconsistent - needs to take a 50% pay cut and earn his place in the team as a squad player if he wants to stay. Ten Hag is NOT the problem here. You could see that when he got a few players back a month or two ago and they were playing well ...then the injuries came and youre back to square one because the players he inherited in the squad dont have the quality to play the way he wants. Expect Ten Hag to stay and a very busy summer in the transfer market.
Only Ed Woodward would think it a good idea for Gareth Southgate to become United manager, its a very Woodward thing to do...
Also people are romanticising Ole’s reign: Carrick and McKenna were obviously crucial to any success we had.
There’s probably a reason they’ve impressed since leaving United and Ole has remained jobless.
I need to jump to Southgate’s defence here…Nowt up with a bag of Ready Salted walkers 🤣🤣
The only thing I think would be good about Zidane, is that no player could think they were bigger than him...and he's done everything.
maybe the only reason we didnt get Ancelotti in 2013 is because of how well Sir Alex beat him in 2011.
Ancelotti had some low periods in his career, people forget that now
I think it depends what kind of football they want play, if want to go possession base of city its De Zerbi, if they want Flops lfc transitions and willing to take advice from Ragnick its Nagelsman. Bayern sack J N because he preferred play Musiala at 10 then Muller, waned replace Neuer when he broke his leg and his misses worked in Bild and leaked some stuff. On Potter and Southgate its just ading 2+2 cuz Ashwoth work with them.
Ancelotti & Klopp turned us down, Klopp twice I believe. Moyes wasn't 1st choice lol
Darren Southgate - exciting attacking, free flowing football !
Who's Darren Southgate?
Gareths brother
I wish we could call in.
Emery makes sense
Bring back Ole good vibes and then with proper structure
Sporting manager has been heavily linked with Barca, if not there athletico. De zerbi is highly respected in Europe and was a surprise and not who is he but he’s good and went to Brighton. His name has been linked with city and depending on 115 reasons, he may get the opportunity soon. As believe it will be harder to get artta out or afc. Potter is good but he has a ceiling and if Brighton were not so worried to let him go and get de zerbi, is he someone you want. Southgate is beige, he was picked not to cause problems. He also has the fa resources and players so it’s hard to judge. I agree with Ste on zz, he’s an unknown. He thrived with big time Charlie’s but with the quality we have now would he do well. But asside didn’t he manager the rm youth team, which may show a level of youth management. But I believe he will Waite for a role at Juventus, management or board or he has always been linked with the French job.
Personally, we keep eth for another year and we find out what style we want to play and establish foundation in the new era. We don’t want another potential manager. As it puts back again it goes in the circle of stop start.
But if I had to choose a name. The four I’d pick. Big ang, Sergio conceicao, emery or Gary O’Neill
When!
Nagelsmann every day of the week. Only reason we didn’t hire him before Ten Hag was because we couldn’t compete with Bayern
Nagelsmann or Xabi Alonso for me. Potter and Southgate would be a mindblowingly stupid choice.
Either way, a massive player clearout is essential - only appointing a new manager won't cut it.
Everything said about de zerbi was said about ETH last year .. he did it in the freaking champions league … the tweaks in game I do agree with but it could be eth can’t make those adjustments with the players at his disposal . And if the hope is the front office is backing the manager why not just back eth just like that ?
Love these lads, but your top 2 choices have two different style of play. Pick the style then the manager then the players
Surely Unai Emery has got to be in the conversation?
Hey, here is a crazy idea! How about sticking with Ten Hag! The guy would probably be our no1 choice today! Eleven last games = 8 wins, one draw, two losses.
How is this sackable form?!
If we get Southgate Im fucking done with this club
A lot of ERH in or out I have seen lately is around 65% waiting him to stay 1 more year. If Ineos is sacking a manager that many fans want to stay, it is a big gamble. What if new failing big time? It would not go down well with fans. A big risk for their reputation.
Guaranteed if we get Southgate as manager Adidas are bringing out a waistcoat
Nagilsman
De zerbi
Tuchel
I dont want Gareth Southgate anywhere near United. However, there is no national team that turns up playing like Manchester City. You have to create a functioning team using a few friendlies and minimum training. A national team manager can just create a good environment and create a functional team with players that are strangers to each other. Southgate's selection tries to get the maximum sync and cohesion he can get. The birds that are out of the flock, can be the Spanish team that was made of 80% Barcelona players or the German team which was all Bayern Munich + Ozil and Kroos😂
EtH should not leave in the summer, but if INEOS do decide to pull the trigger, here is my top 3
1. Diego Simeone
2. Nagelsmann
3. Tuchel
If there is someone in world football who has stability, aura, mentality, winning record and competing at the highest level, i really think we should knock at simeone's door!!
If it’s not EtH I think it’s got to be Stephen Howson UTFP✊🏼✌🏼 1:01:01