Actually, "real" hardware sucks in the long run, because the sound changes and you need to maintain it. Whether touchable knobs are beneficial or not is another discussion, but IF there is value to touching knobs, software controllers are superior to "real" hardware in most ways - objectively.
@@akagerhard not true by the time the hardware degrades, you've already gone through multiple computers, software updates, etc, when you're dealing with solid state, the analog sonics are actually desired, you could have a 40-year-old SSL mix modern tracks still. In 40 years, I doubt the softube system will be supported and you will need to buy new software for whatever computer you have
@@444Inlakeshyou don't have to go through multiple computers, unless you want to upgrade. You can still run 10 year old versions of plugins on 10 year old computers and they will never stop to work, unless the computer stops to work. The same is true for controller compatibility with the computer. If you want to upgrade your hardware substantially, that's a whole different beast. A brand new highend computer costs less than let's say a CL1B compressor. Maintenance of a console alone for "40 years" costs more than buying a new computer and the newest controller regularly. Why you are starting to talk about sample rates in this context is beyond me. The only place left in music production where analog equipment has SOME benefit is recording in production stage, due to the "zero" latency processing and monitoring. So even if you are a high-end production studio you only "need" a choice of good pre-amps and a compressor. In Hip Hop that's usually a neve clone and the CL1B. But argueably, even that is more for the prestige and not really a must-have due to DSP processing and close to "zero"-latency with RME interfaces (or UAD as long as you stay in their eco system). Some of the biggest producers and mixers on the planet are completely or mostly in the box. They are usually hybrid simply in order to have controllers. These people know what they are doing. They are not sacrificing sound. Digital won. It's best for workflow, budget, collaboration, portability - everything. Believe me, nobody can tell whether a song was produced analog or digital (as long as the analog hardware is not very bad). But you can choose to stay ignorant and believe in your little stories. I won't bother enlightening you twice.
I wish they hadn't put the screens in they're too small to do anything useful and the price is extremely steep compared to the MK2 or even UC1. Most likely a lot of cost went into the screens
I don't know about "a lot of cost went into the screens." The price jump is probably just because that's the amount of money they're asking for the MK3, regardless of the manufacturing costs. There are many things in this world that are cheap to build but cost an arm and a leg.
I can't believe they actually gave you the first production unit. Also can't wait to see what the new thing can do with multiple EQs, shapers, compressors, etc. Can you change the order of those effects? like EQ1 then Comp 1 then EQ2 then Comp 2?
Unfortunately, the people at Softube do not listen to clients or their potential clients, I asked them and suggested a long time ago, their Console One will be valuable only when they allow the owners of a Console One to choose which plugin to use in it (from the brand whatever, there is no technological impediment to it, I told you and I demonstrated). In my case, since I did not like the "monopoly" that SSL also intended, I also told them about it, and they were more receptive to the opinions of their clients, they recently opened their UC1 so that each one can choose which plugin they like best; They understood that what they are selling is a mere controller, and not a monopoly/slavery as Softube intends with Console One. Luckily I did not buy either of the two before; Now yes, I'm going to buy the SSL UC1, because it gives me freedom, I can even load some Softube plugins if I like one.... For me, that's what it is, a mere controller, not a Trojan horse. ..
You post this right when Console 1 controls both UAD and Fab Filter plugins? You couldn't have picked a worst moment to complain about what is actually untrue. Not only that, but you understand that companies have to agree for their plugins to be ported to a system like this right? Just like Avid has to agree for full integration. So, say this to the companies you want to use their plugins on C1 on. Softube would (and did) very much embrace all of them because that would mean more sales for them.
This is not to fight, I hope, I'm not interested, I don't have time for that David,... It's my simple experience (valid as yours and that of everyone who reads this); Even so, if brand I don't miss it, like all of us who are here, I imagine, that this instance (your mixbustv channel) is just to have fun and share experiences between people who like the same thing; then what each person defines as the sound (controller (knobs) that they like, is each person's decision... And there, without being offensive, or t-shirts, we can have healthy fun and respectfully share experiences for some time, if not, all We turn it into a displeasure, into meaningless fights. Fortunately, as a consumer and taxpayer, I have the freedom to choose what I like and what I don't, and to respectfully give my opinion on what seems good, better or worse, and what No, without being offensive. That said, there are plugin drivers and plugins that I find more useful than others... The only benefit of this is being able to share user experiences of all these things, of free people, who do not depend on the brand. any, but the pleasure of sound,.... Everyone chooses freely, that's why UA-cam was invented too!!!; now, if you can't speak freely on this channel, I'm the wrong one, and I'm leaving without problem. I don't forget that, for me, there is no holy grail in psychoacoustics (that's the fun part), and my intention is just to share experiences, to hopefully help people I don't even know,... Simple, I don't defend them. no brand or sound style, everyone chooses and shares their experiences without being offensive or owner of the absolute truth (starting with me) with the aim of helping. A hug, PD1. And if something bothered you, my apologies, because the last thing I'm interested in is screwing anyone, not a person, not a company,... PS2. I hope we share experiences about this healthy and fun game that is sound, nothing serious!!!!
@@mixbustv what lol. read what i wrote. :) all the controllers stealing time.. with 3 hands it would be a gamechanger. one for mouse one for kb one for controllers. the only thing where the controllers make sense are for fine tuning cuz hands on control..
@@jj454 in theory yes. allready tried so many controllers over the years... always the same. mouse 100times faster... controller (with faders) for leveling.. everything else = steals time. thats my pers. conclusion.
David! Have you tried the Brainworks Amek Mastering Compressor? I just used it on my 2 Bus for the first time and oh dear! It controlled the track so much but didn't affect the sound. I was able to get it way louder than I thought I would be able to.
Now we just need to petition for an M/S mode.. Think about its...all three processors you need for Mid Side are there now in A B versions. It begs for a M/S button Or a dedicated L/R mode
I'd like to know the third party support it has. I can't warrant spending this much on it at the moment as I will only be able to afford a very few softube plugins. But, if it can support third party plugins then it would be worth it right now.
You should google that. I think I remember reading that you can map this as a standard control surface (but you may have to give up the built-in functionality to do so).
I have a Console 1 mk.II, and the way I use it is as a midi controller for most of my plugins, because it only allows you to use Softube and UAD plugins with the built-in software. The way you do that is you just disable the on-screen display (go into your computer's settings to stop it running at startup), which makes it run in midi mode, and then you just assign the buttons and knobs as you would any other controller. The only sacrifice you make is you can't use it as a DAW controller(so no faders or pan-pots), which you can with the software, and you have to have the plugin you're controlling in focus. All that being said, the Console 1 software does come with an SSL 4000E channel strip included, so even running it as intended with no add-ons, it's still extremely useful!
@@sm5574 There's no information regarding that via the MK3 hence why I'm asking, you should have googled it to check if I had at all... the second reply was information about the MK2 which I already knew... it can only do softube and UAD plugins... I'm not a idiot asking but you was one replying to it
@@damianoakes2592 This is why I'm asking... this is the MK3 and this was a common complaint with the mk2 that it could only control softube and UAD plugins... with the massive price increase it would only be worth it to me if they had added third party plugin control for now. These replies you can go put on anyone asking about MK2 and below... this has no value for answering the question to the new mk3... there have been many other channels talking about it before it's released saying this very same thing. If I had a whole library of softube or UAD plugins, it might be worth it... but not if I am only going to have some basic channel strips... if I only wanted the SSL cannel strip I'd get the SSL UC1 for less
@@mixbustv Thank you! That's good news after you mentioned how light it was. The previous looked like a plastic faceplate attached to a metal base/mount. Was the entire thing metal - both silver and black parts?
I'm asking about this because I'm trying to decide between the SSL and Softube. There's even a choice between the considerably cheaper MkII and the MkIII, but I think it's a considerable enough upgrade to make the choice easy.
Was waiting to see them side by side! Nice. Now if I sell my old one with the 4000E plugin included , then I will have to buy it again as the new one comes with the core instead right? The 4000E is 99$ if I sell my C1 will be around 250$ means just 150$ benefit
@@mixbustv nice. Many thanks for the quick reply. I think I’ll buy it! After a while, do you still like it, does it worth? Is the EQ good compared to a Pro-Q3? Thanks!
I received my unit last week and had troubles during installation and plenty bugs in combination with Samplitude. Also 2 knobs missbehave. Do you found time to test your unit? How was transition and working in old projects? And btw - do all buttons have the same feel/klick on your unit?
My transition was smooth and seamless really, I had to only do one restart after installing. I wouldn't have put it here if it didn't cause I literally have it on every project. Knobs all feel smooth
@@mixbustv Good to hear, I'm in contact with Softube service. Just one more thing - do your Send buttons feel the same when pressing as the channel select buttons? Mine feel different and a little strange.
@@mixbustv By the way, your video was done very well. This is really good news. My friend just purchased it the Console 3 from Sweetwater and he said he did see any information about getting the SSL software. I called Sweetwater and the sales guy did not find anything information about getting the SSL channels strips for free. He is supposed to call me back. I will report back when I find out.
wow, OK thanks! It would be wonderful if you could show the limitations at some point. I never got one just because of this. Thanks for the work,@@mixbustv !
One one hand ppl spending thousands of dollars to control hardware without touching it And now spending similar amounts to control plugins with some hardware interface...
You sound so happy!
Software based hardware sucks in the long run! but its cool for the kids
Actually, "real" hardware sucks in the long run, because the sound changes and you need to maintain it. Whether touchable knobs are beneficial or not is another discussion, but IF there is value to touching knobs, software controllers are superior to "real" hardware in most ways - objectively.
@@akagerhard not true by the time the hardware degrades, you've already gone through multiple computers, software updates, etc, when you're dealing with solid state, the analog sonics are actually desired, you could have a 40-year-old SSL mix modern tracks still. In 40 years, I doubt the softube system will be supported and you will need to buy new software for whatever computer you have
@@akagerhard also, you can't up sample through digital. with a piece of analog hardware I can go out at 48k and in at 192K
No one who actually knows what they’re doing is going to say that 😂 grow up
@@444Inlakeshyou don't have to go through multiple computers, unless you want to upgrade. You can still run 10 year old versions of plugins on 10 year old computers and they will never stop to work, unless the computer stops to work. The same is true for controller compatibility with the computer. If you want to upgrade your hardware substantially, that's a whole different beast. A brand new highend computer costs less than let's say a CL1B compressor. Maintenance of a console alone for "40 years" costs more than buying a new computer and the newest controller regularly.
Why you are starting to talk about sample rates in this context is beyond me. The only place left in music production where analog equipment has SOME benefit is recording in production stage, due to the "zero" latency processing and monitoring. So even if you are a high-end production studio you only "need" a choice of good pre-amps and a compressor. In Hip Hop that's usually a neve clone and the CL1B. But argueably, even that is more for the prestige and not really a must-have due to DSP processing and close to "zero"-latency with RME interfaces (or UAD as long as you stay in their eco system).
Some of the biggest producers and mixers on the planet are completely or mostly in the box. They are usually hybrid simply in order to have controllers. These people know what they are doing. They are not sacrificing sound. Digital won. It's best for workflow, budget, collaboration, portability - everything. Believe me, nobody can tell whether a song was produced analog or digital (as long as the analog hardware is not very bad). But you can choose to stay ignorant and believe in your little stories. I won't bother enlightening you twice.
I really wish they would’ve just put just one motorized fader on this thing
WesAudio really changed the game with those style of knobs. They were the first right?
yes
Looks great but wonder why softube put 2 tiny screens? They even look smaller than the ones that TC Electronic use on their small vst controllers
I wish they hadn't put the screens in they're too small to do anything useful and the price is extremely steep compared to the MK2 or even UC1. Most likely a lot of cost went into the screens
I don't know about "a lot of cost went into the screens." The price jump is probably just because that's the amount of money they're asking for the MK3, regardless of the manufacturing costs. There are many things in this world that are cheap to build but cost an arm and a leg.
The screens are really useful!
Can I have your mk2😅
Sorry that goes in the new studio
Waiting for the fader mkII
Amazing content as always David!
Top features: you can charge your phone! LOL.
Love your videos. :)
😄 Thaaaank you
O yeah! that is incredible! I’ve been wanting a long time for this. I can’t wait to learn about the software. Thank you very much MixbusTV!!
Super sick cant wait for the full video!
Just got the MK2 lol
I can't believe they actually gave you the first production unit.
Also can't wait to see what the new thing can do with multiple EQs, shapers, compressors, etc. Can you change the order of those effects? like EQ1 then Comp 1 then EQ2 then Comp 2?
yes you can but I believe it has to be done in the plugin.
Unfortunately, the people at Softube do not listen to clients or their potential clients, I asked them and suggested a long time ago, their Console One will be valuable only when they allow the owners of a Console One to choose which plugin to use in it (from the brand whatever, there is no technological impediment to it, I told you and I demonstrated). In my case, since I did not like the "monopoly" that SSL also intended, I also told them about it, and they were more receptive to the opinions of their clients, they recently opened their UC1 so that each one can choose which plugin they like best; They understood that what they are selling is a mere controller, and not a monopoly/slavery as Softube intends with Console One. Luckily I did not buy either of the two before; Now yes, I'm going to buy the SSL UC1, because it gives me freedom, I can even load some Softube plugins if I like one.... For me, that's what it is, a mere controller, not a Trojan horse. ..
You post this right when Console 1 controls both UAD and Fab Filter plugins? You couldn't have picked a worst moment to complain about what is actually untrue. Not only that, but you understand that companies have to agree for their plugins to be ported to a system like this right? Just like Avid has to agree for full integration. So, say this to the companies you want to use their plugins on C1 on. Softube would (and did) very much embrace all of them because that would mean more sales for them.
This is not to fight, I hope, I'm not interested, I don't have time for that David,... It's my simple experience (valid as yours and that of everyone who reads this); Even so, if brand I don't miss it, like all of us who are here, I imagine, that this instance (your mixbustv channel) is just to have fun and share experiences between people who like the same thing; then what each person defines as the sound (controller (knobs) that they like, is each person's decision... And there, without being offensive, or t-shirts, we can have healthy fun and respectfully share experiences for some time, if not, all We turn it into a displeasure, into meaningless fights. Fortunately, as a consumer and taxpayer, I have the freedom to choose what I like and what I don't, and to respectfully give my opinion on what seems good, better or worse, and what No, without being offensive. That said, there are plugin drivers and plugins that I find more useful than others... The only benefit of this is being able to share user experiences of all these things, of free people, who do not depend on the brand. any, but the pleasure of sound,.... Everyone chooses freely, that's why UA-cam was invented too!!!; now, if you can't speak freely on this channel, I'm the wrong one, and I'm leaving without problem. I don't forget that, for me, there is no holy grail in psychoacoustics (that's the fun part), and my intention is just to share experiences, to hopefully help people I don't even know,... Simple, I don't defend them. no brand or sound style, everyone chooses and shares their experiences without being offensive or owner of the absolute truth (starting with me) with the aim of helping. A hug, PD1. And if something bothered you, my apologies, because the last thing I'm interested in is screwing anyone, not a person, not a company,... PS2. I hope we share experiences about this healthy and fun game that is sound, nothing serious!!!!
yo but mouse only is always faster.
And you think the point of this is to replace the mouse? lol
@@mixbustv what lol. read what i wrote. :) all the controllers stealing time.. with 3 hands it would be a gamechanger. one for mouse one for kb one for controllers. the only thing where the controllers make sense are for fine tuning cuz hands on control..
@@ACIDGREENTECHNO, speak for yourself. I work better with hardware than with a mouse. It also helps prevent repetitive motion injuries.
the whole point of control surfaces is to not look at the screen and use muscle memory
@@jj454 in theory yes. allready tried so many controllers over the years... always the same. mouse 100times faster... controller (with faders) for leveling.. everything else = steals time. thats my pers. conclusion.
Pretty Sweet Looking! Hey David, what studio desk do you have?
Modson Furniture
@mixbustv Thanks, & and I'm looking forward to the new studio tour!
Holy cow..
i waiting for MK V, for rack size insert
5? Lol dang two gens away. Btw you can rack this
David! Have you tried the Brainworks Amek Mastering Compressor? I just used it on my 2 Bus for the first time and oh dear! It controlled the track so much but didn't affect the sound. I was able to get it way louder than I thought I would be able to.
Congrats 🎉🎉
I liked the size comparison. I was kind of worried it might be too big for my taste now - but it isn't.
Is knobs infinite? If not how they sorted switching channels
Now we just need to petition for an M/S mode..
Think about its...all three processors you need for Mid Side are there now in A B versions.
It begs for a M/S button Or a dedicated L/R mode
I'd want dual mono 100x before M/S
I'd like to know the third party support it has.
I can't warrant spending this much on it at the moment as I will only be able to afford a very few softube plugins.
But, if it can support third party plugins then it would be worth it right now.
You should google that. I think I remember reading that you can map this as a standard control surface (but you may have to give up the built-in functionality to do so).
I have a Console 1 mk.II, and the way I use it is as a midi controller for most of my plugins, because it only allows you to use Softube and UAD plugins with the built-in software. The way you do that is you just disable the on-screen display (go into your computer's settings to stop it running at startup), which makes it run in midi mode, and then you just assign the buttons and knobs as you would any other controller. The only sacrifice you make is you can't use it as a DAW controller(so no faders or pan-pots), which you can with the software, and you have to have the plugin you're controlling in focus.
All that being said, the Console 1 software does come with an SSL 4000E channel strip included, so even running it as intended with no add-ons, it's still extremely useful!
@@sm5574 There's no information regarding that via the MK3 hence why I'm asking, you should have googled it to check if I had at all... the second reply was information about the MK2 which I already knew... it can only do softube and UAD plugins... I'm not a idiot asking but you was one replying to it
@@damianoakes2592 This is why I'm asking... this is the MK3 and this was a common complaint with the mk2 that it could only control softube and UAD plugins... with the massive price increase it would only be worth it to me if they had added third party plugin control for now.
These replies you can go put on anyone asking about MK2 and below... this has no value for answering the question to the new mk3... there have been many other channels talking about it before it's released saying this very same thing.
If I had a whole library of softube or UAD plugins, it might be worth it... but not if I am only going to have some basic channel strips... if I only wanted the SSL cannel strip I'd get the SSL UC1 for less
@@TheSakuraGumiLTD, wow, excuse me for trying to help. Jeez, what a dick.
Congrats on getting #0001! I have mine on pre-order and very excited.
It's plastic huh? I think the SSL's are metal, yeah?
No it's not, even the previous wasn't
@@mixbustv Thank you! That's good news after you mentioned how light it was. The previous looked like a plastic faceplate attached to a metal base/mount. Was the entire thing metal - both silver and black parts?
I'm asking about this because I'm trying to decide between the SSL and Softube. There's even a choice between the considerably cheaper MkII and the MkIII, but I think it's a considerable enough upgrade to make the choice easy.
Looks really awesome; considering to buy one. Would love to get a more in-depth video and your opinion on the new core plugins.
Not in depth but something: ua-cam.com/video/2idnNo5wCMs/v-deo.html
Was waiting to see them side by side! Nice. Now if I sell my old one with the 4000E plugin included , then I will have to buy it again as the new one comes with the core instead right? The 4000E is 99$ if I sell my C1 will be around 250$ means just 150$ benefit
You can keep the SSL 4000E that came with mk II. The new owner of the mk II can buy it for their new system.
For me SSL Uf1 Uc1 and UF8 best console. I love it😍
They're great!
I used Console 1 MK 2 for some time. It's great peace of gear. Today I received MK 3. Do I have to deactivate MK 2 first or I can just install MK 3?
No you don't, it's a different licence altogether
@@mixbustvdoes it mean that I can stay connected with MK 2, and connect MK3 too?
Hi! Thanks for the video! Do you know if this comes with the software plugin? Or does it need to be bought separately? Many thanks!
It comes with the core mixing suite, all the others have to be purchased separately
@@mixbustv nice. Many thanks for the quick reply. I think I’ll buy it! After a while, do you still like it, does it worth? Is the EQ good compared to a Pro-Q3? Thanks!
Locked to softube plugins? Or open to all plugins?
And UAD 2 plugins. Not native I think yet.
I received my unit last week and had troubles during installation and plenty bugs in combination with Samplitude. Also 2 knobs missbehave. Do you found time to test your unit? How was transition and working in old projects? And btw - do all buttons have the same feel/klick on your unit?
My transition was smooth and seamless really, I had to only do one restart after installing. I wouldn't have put it here if it didn't cause I literally have it on every project. Knobs all feel smooth
@@mixbustv Good to hear, I'm in contact with Softube service.
Just one more thing - do your Send buttons feel the same when pressing as the channel select buttons? Mine feel different and a little strange.
But how do you rack it and what about the faders?
It comes with the screws and all
Sadly, the SSL channel strip is no longer offered with version 3
What are you talking about? There's both 4K and 9K just like before
@@mixbustv By the way, your video was done very well. This is really good news. My friend just purchased it the Console 3 from Sweetwater and he said he did see any information about getting the SSL software. I called Sweetwater and the sales guy did not find anything information about getting the SSL channels strips for free. He is supposed to call me back. I will report back when I find out.
Sweetwater just confirmed the SSL channel strips are not included with Console 1 Mark III.
When are we going to see the new studio?
We open Dec 1st
is it cpu friendly?
ON my computer yes
Where is the single fader?
On the other side as usual
🙂👍
🔥🎶❤️🔥
Maybe mention that this unit will just not integrate with Pro Tools. Which of course is not Softube‘s fault, but Avid‘s.
I have been using C1 with Pro Tools for years.
wow, OK thanks! It would be wonderful if you could show the limitations at some point. I never got one just because of this. Thanks for the work,@@mixbustv !
One one hand ppl spending thousands of dollars to control hardware without touching it
And now spending similar amounts to control plugins with some hardware interface...
I never not touch my hardware, digital control is for recalls
@@mixbustv ohhh that makes sense. Automation too probably