It’s really inspiring that you’ve been doing this for 20 years and you still aren’t above taking advice from other people in your industry. Keep on rocking Glenn!
The dangers of getting stuck in your own way are many. Just because something has worked for someone over 10, 20, 30, or 40 years, does not mean things can't be improved or simplified. Also, it's fun to learn new things! Those "Aah! I hadn't thought of that" or "I didn't know that!" moments are great.
Nobody knows it all. This applies to every industry. I worked in Plastic extrusions for 12 yrs and knew less than 5% of what is out there. We made custom profiles which requires yrs of experience to do my job however every yr things change with different technology coming and going so you never actually learn more and more. Now I own 2 window cleaning businesses but this is much simpler and I get 5 times the money I got before so I can hopefully retire before I am nearly 70 yrs old...lol which is going to be the retirement age in the UK most likely in the future. Either that or I can pay you to work for me so I can stay home playing my guitar and reading science literature on Climate Change..lol.
To anyone who is unaware, this information is VERY valuable, and it's very nice of this dude to share it, because possessing this knowledge is key to how they make their living.
Solar Return.. That could happen, except nobody knows who this big old hippy woman is. She's huge and talks like a dude, but she loves metal. So, it's all good.
Another good technique is, having the mics in phase, taking one as the principal, flip the polarity on the second or other mics and just bring it up until you get the most cancellation and then flip polarity again. That way you get everything at its fullest if that's what you want, instead of choosing darker or brighter (which you really do when choosing the principal mic), you just get full power. Hope it helps to someone, cheers.
Well, i got a Behringer for over 10 years now and I can tell all of you: It´s GREAT! Now I´ve got to get a 2nd mic and try it! Thank you so much Glen🙂!!
Old trick my dad taught me, I used for recording animal sounds back in a high school biology class when I didn't want ambient room noise, was to stick the SM58 on a stand and put it in a carboard box that something shipped in. Arrange the soft celled foam to remove any odd peaks or corners, and cover any cardboard and slide it right up to the cage. You can punch a hole in the cardboard to get your cable through, and shove it through the foam. Also works great for speaking parts. Mic in box on a table, and the speaker talks into it = no ambient room noise. Nice to have a parent who was a stagehand and could get gear to play with.
Laugh all you want but it works very well, you can record voice tracks in your bedroom or living room and have them sound just as good as if they were recorded in a pro studio / vocal booth.
Imagine him breaking the surface of a limpid pool from underneath, in slo-mo, with golden-yellow PARs adding highlights to the ripples. Mind bleach not supplied.
VintageSG HA ha, i read Nipples instead och Ripples the first time i read your post... wouldnt mind some of that mind bleach you were talking about now ...
Not going to lie, I have seen all of your "how to record metal guitar" videos and you definitely had pretty good ideas in your in your previous videos that I have tried and they worked great for me everytime. But this method that you have done here is one of the best metal guitar tones you have ever made with your channel. I will be looking into this mixers as well and rocking a dual mic setup.
Question: Once you create the "tent" around the cab, how do you keep the bass player from camping out in it? Seriously - fantastic video! Other than avoiding analysis paralysis, what is the reason for mixing the two mic signals together at the behringer mixer? I'm surprised you wouldn't want to record both signals then mix them together with the rest of the instruments so you know how the tone would sit in the mix.
Tom, the idea is to commit to the sound and as the other parts are put down, the musicians have an idea of what to play against. If you record everything generic, people won't be able to "vibe" to it and you leave all the work for the mixer, who probably wasn't even in the room.
I would imagine bass goes right through it. bass is pretty hard to stop. Only 4 inch thick fiberglass insulation can affect bass frequencies down to 60hz. anything lower would require a brick wall.
What I like the most about this video is your openness to new ideas. Doesn't matter how long you've been doing something, there are always new things to learn from others and being able to keep your ego from getting in the way of great results is the best thing you can do. Also it makes sense that distorted tones actually benefit from cheap, not great sounding pre amps! It's not supposed to be pleasant! I'll certainly keep that in mind for future recordings.
On a serious note, I did something similar back in 2004. Two SM57s in varied positions on a 4x12 with Uhaul blankets slung over the cabinet and mics. Didn't mix before the software though. However, it produced a meatier tone than using one SM57. Just kinda stumbled upon the method trying to find a better tone. Cool video and as always, fuck off!
Thanks Glen! love that you care and share. That cab you have is sweet. I think one thing that slips by is you said make sure the cab you use is TIGHT. That means opening it up and making sure the soundboard and speakers are tight, even the post. I did this like you pointed out and BOOM, a major improvement. My cab was loose as hell. So you Marshall guys, take it to heart. Glen knows, don't fuck around.
The ART Studio V3 is a prime example of low cost, great value. Voicing options, tube swaps and a very responsive gain stage makes for lots of room to tweak it. Getting absolutely fantastic results with low cost mics and not-so-ideal acoustic environments
Hell yeah! Making a tight booth for my cabs is the best thing I ever did. I’ve been preaching the audix bass mic coupled with a dynamic mic for tight metal for ages. But I put the bass mic under the cab (it’s on casters) to get a room like sub and blend it in low vs the SM57. Obviously my sm57 is way closer to center to compensate/catch the mids/clarity. For modern metal put it closer obviously (to the grill), but IMO Guitars are getting TOO tight/prominent in metal and I treat the audix mic’s room reflection/sub woofyness like a REVERB track. It gives the vibe of a live recording because the bass mic picks up so much crazyness it keeps it interesting. IMO people are getting jaded with tight in your face eq curve of a Vintage 30/SM57 adnauseum, so the under the cab trick is working great for me. It’s similar to the effect of micing the back of an open back cab. OOMF! Berhinger raise their heads again? Sneap used to use those pres on old Testament.
Man, this is the best your mixes have ever sounded. With this guitar recording technique, the amazing new darkglass microtubes bass amp, and your already amazing sounding drums, everything has so much definition and girth to it. It's pretty awesome.
I love your videos because I've been trying to do everything cheap since I was in high school. For 20 years it has been a learning experience with new filters, plugins, mics, amps, preamps, etc. Your videos remind me that simplicity is best remembered, and a good ear is 'bestest.' Thanks for all you do! Love these videos!
Glenn, I applied this technique to my recordings, and my guitar sound improved significantly! It’s not the best guitar sound by any means. However, at least, it’s tolerable. In addition, I replaced my Peavey 5150 cab speakers with the current EVH speakers. This also improved the sound! Overall, it was expensive to modify and acquire equipment, but it paid dividends. I’m satisfied! Thank you! Much appreciated! PS-I love “Why Can’t This Be Love?” (The song, not the ‘speakers’ lol).
Love the shoutout to Warren. He's such a wonderful tutor! Loving your channel, man! And, the little tip on gain-staging/getting it right from the get-go is so important. Shit in, means shit out; no matter what you do to polish it.
This is so awesome to see because I JUST bought a 2 Mic setup with THAT EXACT MIXER for recording in my DAW this past summer. I haven't had a chance to really do much recording yet...... But now I know I made the right choices!
The best guitar tone I captured was Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 36 into a Recto 412 with a 57 and 421 in a sort of Fredman position through a 4 Channel Daking Pre. The 57 on it's own was pretty good sounding and would've been fine, but the 421 and the 57 together sounded amazing without the need for eq besides the obvious high pass and low pass to keep it out of the way of the bass and cymbals . I guess the 57 has a fairly pronounced proximity effect and that's what makes it sound good when it's right up on the source and the 421 balances that out as it has a bit of a presence peak at the top end, using a bright and a dark speaker also enhances those characteristics as well
nice video. warren is such a nice guy man! always nice to see that the top producers are not half as snobby when it comes to gear than the average internet gear forum hero...
Chris Wacker I'll second Glenn's advice. I have been playing with the two mic trick. one on an open back combo and a second on a quad running off a slaved Bassman. I've tried splitting them in the pan by varying degrees, but it's most natural when they are panned identical in the mix. To be clear, I had two tracks on the DAW, and I summed them there. I haven't got the luxury of a sound booth. I have to evaluate after the fact Glenn, the secret with the Behringer pre is the transistors they use on the input. The chips are so so, but the differential amp input uses discrete components, well at least that is the case on the ADAT rack. Apparently they are some magic silicon which just works well.
of cource, behringer it puts care to its input circuits, I do not say that it is the great thing since for what it is worth not expect great quality, but in terms of quality / price are the best, I use a Xenyx X2442USB for events, and the truth it was fun to use 2 or 3 mic for the guitar line, the faithful sm57, a Peavey - Pvm 325y when it was not available the 325 used an sm58, all using the sm57 base, as far as the cabinet was used from classic marshall (jensse speakers ) until some home made the joke is, this console has a very noble pre-amplification stage, and works excellently to play with the tone of the amplifier
I finally got a space where I can crank my amp instead of using cab sims, and finally using this method. I found the exact Behringer mixer you have here, and I've been testing with a Shure SM46 and SM86 (condenser) and already it's better than anything I've recorded previously. Many thanks.
Love my Panama Cab not for just this reason but it's a great feature. The D30 speakers (low mid accentuated V30 Clones) are fantastic, my Mesa/Boogie amps love them.
ENGL have those metal grills on guitar cabinets and on 90% combo amps fixed with screws. So you can easily remove those grills and after recording put those back. Great option! :)
+Zachary Williams - Man, to be honest, I did not made any test, cuz I like the sound with grill ON, so I did not changed it. But I know, that some people like it when grill is removed. Not even on Engl cabinets/combo amps, but even on Mesa cabs, Marshalls, Orange etc. You know, different people, different preferences. And that's cool about music - options and diversity! :)
This will be the second time I have used this technique now. This track isn't metal ( more noisy garage ) but I want some gnarl. It's great. Love this trick, thanks!
Glen, thanks so much -your videos are a total joy. I'm a classical percussionist teaching in higher-ed in Virginia, and I love everything you share. \m/ \m/
Thank you very much for making this video. I just tried it - I plugged my Nomad Mesa Boogie (black sheep) in to my fender twin to get two speakers - I ripped them out of my marshall cab 4x a while ago... I put a sm57 on left micing the "bass" speaker off center and a TLM103 on the right speaker centered for the "high". Went into a Behringer X32 rack and then into a Scarlett2i2 and into Logic Pro - added a compressor to each... I've got to say it's a massive tone! I'm playing a Gibson SG tuned down a half step like Hendrix into a Boss DS-1 Keeley mod. I can't thank you enough this is a great sound!!!!!!!! Oh yeah I covered the entire thing in a blanket. Jasen
cool vid. I actually did all of these things he mentions just by instinct back in the day. my local band would track our stuff on blaceface adats, and take it to the old Smart Studios to mix. And a couple of the engineers there we're impressed by my guitar sounds. Then again, those guys weren't into those types of sounds. From whatever pre you use, I quickly discovered that high quality pre's didnt work as easily as a Bob Mackie cheapy. The thing about a distorted guitar is many times high quality mics and pre's expose the sound too much. They can really take the excitement and turn distorted sounds into generic oddities. And amps these days? in the late 80s you had to make a heavy sound. I used to mic the back of a Cab to get low mid thump (sort of worked) or used a BBE. Anything you could find to get that low end. Bill Lawrence pickups. all sorts of eqs in effects loops etc etc. anything. these days? lol. You can buy that sound from any of the popular ready made amps available. All you have to do is get it clear and your most of the way there. One thing I used to do...and I maybe crazy...but I would check the sound by panning it one side. When it sounded like a punchy, focused sound...as if the monitor were the amp itself...I knew I had it. Anway...Great channel.
My First good recordings were through an 802!! I used a cheap $10 Small Diaphragm condenser mic (Takstar PCM-6100), a Radio Shack # 33-128 Super-Cardiod, and a marshall 15w bass Practice amp on the "Classic" channel. Sat it under the cushions on the couch and shredded away, recording into an old windows XP PC with onboard audio to the line in on Cakewalk ProAudio 9!! A Long time ago, and certainly not a place I wish to return HAHA!! Now I run my mics (still have all those PCM6100s and RS mics tho) into a 24ch RAMSA and record on an HD24. It's amazing what you can do with the cheapest shit available!
This is a variation of the old Jack Douglas 3 mic technique that started using on Aerosmith in the mid 70s. He typically used a 57, 421, and a condenser like a Fet 47, KM84, etc. He did the same type of tone changes, blending the mics to a single track on tape. I've gotten great guitar sounds over the years using this technique, good to see younger engineers doing the same!
I DI my guitar when recording (for noise reasons) and i use a free impulse response (IR) loader which allows you to load 2 IRs and mix them as youd like. You dont get the pre-amp benifits but youve helped me understand what im doing. Thank you.
No I mean for other instruments as well. Drums especially. I don't know how many times I've been sent files with the overheads and rooms clipping like crazy due to people running the mics too hot.
Just realized I had one of these mixers sitting around so I did some experimenting using an sm57 and a Sennheiser e906. I got results that I was much happier with than running those through some of my more expensive rack preamps. Thanks for the great tip Glenn!
That was gonna be my question... so you have to record them blended to get the effect? Or can you record both separately to a track each and blend in DAW?
@@TrentCrawfordMusic yes, he's recording the blended guitar tones as one track. This is called analog summing (= blending signals together using analog gear). Some people think it sounds better than summing inside the daw, because of the subtle things that happen inside the analog equipment, like saturation, compression etc.
The drummer is an idiot ,the bass man is a lazy idiot , lead guitar is a premadonna ,and auto tune vocals suck.... pretty sure that about sums it up even a drummer should understand.but on the bright side I wouldn't even try to explain if you said you played the bass guitar lol
I'm using a similar trick with my Phonic MM 1002, that is identical to your Behringer mixer. I've done an acoustic recording using a condenser mic on line 1 and a cheap Schaller piezo button on channel 2, then blending them exactly as you do. Of course it isn't a metal guitar sound, but the blending process gave me the same satisfaction with cheap stuff. I'm close to nothing in audio production, but amazes me to death when something I came up in the past turns out to be a good trick. Thanks Glenn!
The technology has moved forward a lot since the 1960s. You get high end results with very cheap gear these days. Almost all modern preamps (even the extremely cheap ones on the cheapest mixers) are of super high quality. There is usually no audible difference in almost any of them when compared to dedicated multi-thousand dollar ones. There is no magic to the relatively simple preamp circuit. It’s cheap to design and manufacture really high quality ones, especially with modern electronics component tolerances. Gearslutz is to be blamed on making the preamp selection a religion. The cheapest preamps might have a little more hiss, but thats about it. I.e. they are not more muddy sounding. Another religion inside the recording industry is the audio interface quality: “I can definitely hear a difference between your $300 audio interface compared to my $3000 one.” No you can’t. The quality of the ADC/DAC chips and their amplification circuits (when comparing between the cheap and expensive ones) has been of so high quality for the past 10-15 years already, that the signal differences they produce are well below the capabilities of human hearing.
shhhh don't tell the gearsluts. I started investigating microphone building and I've have to say a similar thing about mics. Sometimes it's about breaking the rules you leanred in audio school haha ;)
While this is somewhat true, there isn't "no difference", between a vintage Neumann through an SSL vs. a B4 through an 18i20, for example. You can get great results, but don't try to tell me that they're the same quality and will sound essentially the same. They aren't and they won't.
Dude - I've invested 2000 eur in 2x Neve 1073 preamp 10 years ago and I never looked back. It has been my working horse ever since and I never regreted the decision. I've liked Apis better on guitars but only slightly. You can use cheap preamps all you want and I believe you can get good results but I'll just stick with my Neve. I mean 2k is a lot of money but I've been using it for 10 years on all of my recordings and intend to use it forever and ever.
awesome. we just finished tracking guitars for my band and we used almost the same method with great results. used Mesa Mark V 35>mesa oversize and krank bully>engl cab into fredman method with e609 on axis and 57 off axis. we have the same berhinger mixer but we are doing the blending of the mics in reaper. sounds huge and damn crisp
So I noticed you have to wires at the eurorack's outputs. I know you don't have the Mics panned, so are you sending a stereo signal out of the eurorack into your interface? Or are you sending a mono signal?
The high end would be over-accentuated by the SM57s hiss and fizziness if it was the bright mic. Similarly with the low end being accentuated by the tom mic, if it was used as the dark mic. Placing them in their contrasting positions helps tame those frequencies from sounding harsher, thus making the blend much easier without carving their EQs to fit.
So funny. I did use a set up like this about 10 years ago with a Behringer mixer and to be honest I didn’t believe how good it was! keep up the good work dude!
Also, how are you monitoring(listening to)what you are doing? Is the cab in a seperate room? Otherwise you would be hearing the cab & not the mixer through your monitors, right?
Man, I really appreciate this video. It's like finding the missing puzzle piece I've been looking for when recording. Also the V30 + K85/K100 speaker combination is by far my favorite and have all my 4x12's set up with them.
Great lesson. Exact same thing the tech told me at the store when I bought a Samson C03 condenser and have it plugged to my Alesis multi-mix. It is just that he did not demonstrated it to me so this video really affirms me of that tip.
Behringer makes kick ass stuff, I could care less how cheap they are. Glenn, are you recording the 2 blended channels to single track or keeping them separate?
I accidentally discovered using a 57 and 421 in the same way a couple of years ago in college, been doing it that way on every metal track since, always get a great sound from it!
Dude! So I followed your instructions to the letter and holy shit! I have been fighting for this tone for years! Every note in leads and every cord in rhythms punches you in the face like a pissed off Mike Tyson! It's frickin awesome!!!! I'm only using a drive pedal sim on my Axe-FX, no other effects. Thanks so much for the info. You rock!!!!!
Vincent master bassist Distorted guitars have the mids turned up to cut through the mix. When you already have the bass on the low end, you need the guitar to occupy a different tonal range, otherwise you have two instruments competing instead of complementing each other. It might sound a little thin on its own, but when the bass and drums are added in, you get the full range of sounds for the mix.
thanks so much for the hot tip . I've been criticized for using cheap Mic's . no idea what one's I needed , now I know . got a Fender Quad reverb dual stack . doing sessions on controlled feedback , these should work well for starters
1x12 cab Eminence V12-16 , audix i5 placed basically halfway between where you put your two mics, box it all in with couch cushions. Works wonders on the cheap cheap.
i think the periphery guitar tone is pretty much the best out there right now....for any genre.. just so aggressive and clear and beautiful at the same time
That's some pretty cool tricks, Glenn! In fact I've been using the "put blankets/build a tent around the cabinet" trick over the past few months, however not initially to avoid catching room reflections, but to reduce guitar strings bleed (mostly on fast rhythm parts). I'm living in a 20sqm apartment, so I don't have any control room, therefore the best I can do is to sit 3-4 meters away from the cab and hope my guitar strings do not bleed all over my tracks. Anyway, the blankets REALLY helped cleaning things up in both purposes, so I can definitely recommend that trick, especially for bedroom musicians :).
I love this video! I pulled in a Yamaha MG06X mixer(a little more pricy) and had some pretty nasty sounding tones using the EVH 5150 III(lunchbox head). This was being pushed through a Blackstar ID series 2x12. I used my SM-57 and a cheaper Sterling cardioid I had laying around. While I could not live without the 57 I have been having fun with other combinations.
Just put together the exact same set up and it sounds amazing! For an Audix D2, a shure 57, and a 25$ Behringer mixer, for under 200$ you can get insane good metal sound! This trick totally works, with a good amp of course.
Glenn, I hope you come back to this... An incredible drummer that I used to jam with was big into recording and I am sure he still is. Now that I'm obtaining interest in this concept, ie Exactly what the title here says, "how do I sound like the guy I listen to" I really like to have some time studying theories before I delve into anything and its mostly due to time and money. Thanks, dude.
I have the Audix DP7 kit and have used the i5/ADX51 combo on a guitar cab and the results were fantastic! The i5 gave it more growl while the condenser made it shine.
Thanks for this, I tried it last night and got some amazing tracks. They sound so friggin loud! I've been recording music since the late 80's but never stumbled on to this technique, I'm gonna be using this all the time!
It’s really inspiring that you’ve been doing this for 20 years and you still aren’t above taking advice from other people in your industry. Keep on rocking Glenn!
Robbie Dozier, I totally agree. My motto is the day you stop trying to learn is the day you should give it up.
You will never stop learning if you are willing to ;-)
Cheers!
Thats the key to this industry, you can always learn a few tricks from other people.
The dangers of getting stuck in your own way are many. Just because something has worked for someone over 10, 20, 30, or 40 years, does not mean things can't be improved or simplified. Also, it's fun to learn new things! Those "Aah! I hadn't thought of that" or "I didn't know that!" moments are great.
Nobody knows it all. This applies to every industry. I worked in Plastic extrusions for 12 yrs and knew less than 5% of what is out there. We made custom profiles which requires yrs of experience to do my job however every yr things change with different technology coming and going so you never actually learn more and more. Now I own 2 window cleaning businesses but this is much simpler and I get 5 times the money I got before so I can hopefully retire before I am nearly 70 yrs old...lol which is going to be the retirement age in the UK most likely in the future. Either that or I can pay you to work for me so I can stay home playing my guitar and reading science literature on Climate Change..lol.
To anyone who is unaware, this information is VERY valuable, and it's very nice of this dude to share it, because possessing this knowledge is key to how they make their living.
"It forces you to make a decision right at the source, and not be left constantly tweaking after the fact". Amen. That's a great lesson.
Glen: "Warren, I'm in your debt".
Warren: "Ok, then stop making fun of bass players"
Glen: "no".
Best opening ever!
NOOOOO UUGHHHHHH
SteelShart and all other hair metal sucks ASS
Deathrape2001 And you are? 16 year old metal saviour. Grow up kid
Deathrape2001 kid you know shit get out of your diapers and grow up
Finally got everything to try this and BOOM! Amazing heavy bad assness on the first try. Thank you Glenn for sharing this awesome technique!
watch the prices of crappy old behringer mixers rise after this lol
I have one of those listed, I won't sell it now, I'm going to try this xD
Solar Return.. That could happen, except
nobody knows who this big old hippy woman is. She's huge and talks like a dude, but she loves metal. So, it's all good.
Forgot I had one of these.
Cool.
Thank god my friend bought me one thinking it was a usb mixer a few months ago
I have one a SL3242FX PRO . Everything works and we use it heavily for live and recording! It has a great sound. Even for country vocals. Lol
Another good technique is, having the mics in phase, taking one as the principal, flip the polarity on the second or other mics and just bring it up until you get the most cancellation and then flip polarity again. That way you get everything at its fullest if that's what you want, instead of choosing darker or brighter (which you really do when choosing the principal mic), you just get full power. Hope it helps to someone, cheers.
Can you elaborate more on this? How do you flip polarity?
Love the new intro!!!
Very majestic
Reminded me of a Pantene commercial
So FASHION!
maybe its metal? maybe its maybelline?
Much manly hair.
Well, i got a Behringer for over 10 years now and I can tell all of you: It´s GREAT! Now I´ve got to get a 2nd mic and try it! Thank you so much Glen🙂!!
Old trick my dad taught me, I used for recording animal sounds back in a high school biology class when I didn't want ambient room noise, was to stick the SM58 on a stand and put it in a carboard box that something shipped in. Arrange the soft celled foam to remove any odd peaks or corners, and cover any cardboard and slide it right up to the cage. You can punch a hole in the cardboard to get your cable through, and shove it through the foam. Also works great for speaking parts. Mic in box on a table, and the speaker talks into it = no ambient room noise.
Nice to have a parent who was a stagehand and could get gear to play with.
For speaking the trick I've always done is put a blanket over your head and put the mic inside the blanket.
Laugh all you want but it works very well, you can record voice tracks in your bedroom or living room and have them sound just as good as if they were recorded in a pro studio / vocal booth.
Used Behringer mixers just went up in price 100%...
Bought one today for 60$ so I guess they went up 33% lol
I had one of those...it was well made. Most Behringer stuff i have owned was sub par...not the mixer.
No they did not. Behringer cant get up in price. PERIOD!
They still come up pretty cheap. I got a Eurorack MX602a for $20 shipped on ebay. Works great.
... or get any other cheap mixer affordable... it is not about behringer per se, but inexpensive preamps.
How come my Line 6 Spider didn't sound good with this technique?
RealHomeRecording.com cause it's a Line 6
Lol he doesn’t get the joke
Woooosh
RealHomeRecording.com well they don't have 2 speaker do they
Because it doesn't have 2 speakers, dummy! Get another spider and mic it up!
You asked him straight out: “Tha fuuuck!?“ And he immediately understood.... 😂
Glen, your hair headbanging intro can only be described as "fabulous".
Loriel, because you're worth it… amarite?
Its L'Oréal otherwise correct ;-) Its a funny intro !
Imagine him breaking the surface of a limpid pool from underneath, in slo-mo, with golden-yellow PARs adding highlights to the ripples.
Mind bleach not supplied.
Yeah, I love that new opening! Pretty epic! 👍
VintageSG HA ha, i read Nipples instead och Ripples the first time i read your post... wouldnt mind some of that mind bleach you were talking about now ...
Hey Glenn, best of luck on the shampoo sponsorship! :)
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never had any idea there was this much science involved in trying to record guitars. Well done.
would love to see you try and record some heavy, fuzzed out stoner/doom
I wanna see him mix a Model T
ThomasRocksU id kill to own a beta lead or model t
Would love that too
enle7es ever since he mentioned he owns a beta lead, I comment something like that every video
C0nnie hey man I have a T and a beta lead, beta is for sale if you want to shoot me an offer. Send a pm
Not going to lie, I have seen all of your "how to record metal guitar" videos and you definitely had pretty good ideas in your in your previous videos that I have tried and they worked great for me everytime. But this method that you have done here is one of the best metal guitar tones you have ever made with your channel. I will be looking into this mixers as well and rocking a dual mic setup.
I like the new intro a lot
T'was a real wonder
It made my day
M A J E S T I C INTRO
first reply lol
FAX
Question: Once you create the "tent" around the cab, how do you keep the bass player from camping out in it?
Seriously - fantastic video! Other than avoiding analysis paralysis, what is the reason for mixing the two mic signals together at the behringer mixer? I'm surprised you wouldn't want to record both signals then mix them together with the rest of the instruments so you know how the tone would sit in the mix.
+Tom Barnaby the mixer adds a productive coloration to the guitar tone that a daw won't
Tom, the idea is to commit to the sound and as the other parts are put down, the musicians have an idea of what to play against. If you record everything generic, people won't be able to "vibe" to it and you leave all the work for the mixer, who probably wasn't even in the room.
If you brought both signals into the Daw you could use Two AUX tracks and then set the output of those to an Audio track.
I would imagine bass goes right through it. bass is pretty hard to stop. Only 4 inch thick fiberglass insulation can affect bass frequencies down to 60hz. anything lower would require a brick wall.
Thanks Glenn. Makes sense. Maybe someone will make a "Cheap Behringer Mixer" plugin to capture that coloration.
What I like the most about this video is your openness to new ideas. Doesn't matter how long you've been doing something, there are always new things to learn from others and being able to keep your ego from getting in the way of great results is the best thing you can do.
Also it makes sense that distorted tones actually benefit from cheap, not great sounding pre amps! It's not supposed to be pleasant! I'll certainly keep that in mind for future recordings.
+Tom try to leam something new every day!
On a serious note, I did something similar back in 2004. Two SM57s in varied positions on a 4x12 with Uhaul blankets slung over the cabinet and mics. Didn't mix before the software though. However, it produced a meatier tone than using one SM57. Just kinda stumbled upon the method trying to find a better tone. Cool video and as always, fuck off!
Thanks Glen! love that you care and share. That cab you have is sweet. I think one thing that slips by is you said make sure the cab you use is TIGHT. That means opening it up and making sure the soundboard and speakers are tight, even the post. I did this like you pointed out and BOOM, a major improvement. My cab was loose as hell. So you Marshall guys, take it to heart. Glen knows, don't fuck around.
Bassist here, can you tell me if I tied my shoes correctly?
What gauge of shoestrings are you using? Are they flat or round?
Probably not, but that’s ok, let’s keep with the loop de loop method.
Did you send the bunny through the Rabbit hole? Wait a minute!... You're wearing Velcro shoes...
I don't have to look to tell you no. You are wearing slippers, Dumbass.
try boiling your shoestrings
The ART Studio V3 is a prime example of low cost, great value. Voicing options, tube swaps and a very responsive gain stage makes for lots of room to tweak it. Getting absolutely fantastic results with low cost mics and not-so-ideal acoustic environments
Hell yeah! Making a tight booth for my cabs is the best thing I ever did. I’ve been preaching the audix bass mic coupled with a dynamic mic for tight metal for ages. But I put the bass mic under the cab (it’s on casters) to get a room like sub and blend it in low vs the SM57. Obviously my sm57 is way closer to center to compensate/catch the mids/clarity.
For modern metal put it closer obviously (to the grill), but IMO Guitars are getting TOO tight/prominent in metal and I treat the audix mic’s room reflection/sub woofyness like a REVERB track. It gives the vibe of a live recording because the bass mic picks up so much crazyness it keeps it interesting. IMO people are getting jaded with tight in your face eq curve of a Vintage 30/SM57 adnauseum, so the under the cab trick is working great for me. It’s similar to the effect of micing the back of an open back cab. OOMF!
Berhinger raise their heads again? Sneap used to use those pres on old Testament.
This is possibly the best simple metal guitar recording video on the net. Great stuff, man!
Man, this is the best your mixes have ever sounded. With this guitar recording technique, the amazing new darkglass microtubes bass amp, and your already amazing sounding drums, everything has so much definition and girth to it. It's pretty awesome.
+Malcolm Bates Music thank you so much! It's all refinement & trying new things
I love your videos because I've been trying to do everything cheap since I was in high school. For 20 years it has been a learning experience with new filters, plugins, mics, amps, preamps, etc. Your videos remind me that simplicity is best remembered, and a good ear is 'bestest.' Thanks for all you do! Love these videos!
That guitar tone was flawless! amazing! but damn your drums always "standout" in the mix ( in a good way)! keep the amazing work!
Glenn,
I applied this technique to my recordings, and my guitar sound improved significantly! It’s not the best guitar sound by any means. However, at least, it’s tolerable.
In addition, I replaced my Peavey 5150 cab speakers with the current EVH speakers. This also improved the sound! Overall, it was expensive to modify and acquire equipment, but it paid dividends. I’m satisfied! Thank you! Much appreciated!
PS-I love “Why Can’t This Be Love?” (The song, not the ‘speakers’ lol).
I've been using the exact same Behringer mixer for seven years already.
Duuuuude mind bending how simple, yet how great that method is!!!
"It doesnt matter what gear you have"
Plays through 4k guitar amp/cab....lol
If you got V30's they will work in a milk crate.
It's true, check out my latest covers, I did them on 250$ guitar with this metod ;) It sounds incredible for me \m/.
@@Qevox Duuuude SIIICK guitar tone bro. SUBBED :-)
I really like this tip. Especially because it takes a step away from the CONSTANT consumerism in music/recording circles.
Glad you are getting mileage out of that "hair flip" comment! LMAO everytime
Love the shoutout to Warren. He's such a wonderful tutor! Loving your channel, man!
And, the little tip on gain-staging/getting it right from the get-go is so important. Shit in, means shit out; no matter what you do to polish it.
I like the dark mic on it's own. But then, I'm a doom guitarist.
This is so awesome to see because I JUST bought a 2 Mic setup with THAT EXACT MIXER for recording in my DAW this past summer. I haven't had a chance to really do much recording yet...... But now I know I made the right choices!
The best guitar tone I captured was Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 36 into a Recto 412 with a 57 and 421 in a sort of Fredman position through a 4 Channel Daking Pre. The 57 on it's own was pretty good sounding and would've been fine, but the 421 and the 57 together sounded amazing without the need for eq besides the obvious high pass and low pass to keep it out of the way of the bass and cymbals . I guess the 57 has a fairly pronounced proximity effect and that's what makes it sound good when it's right up on the source and the 421 balances that out as it has a bit of a presence peak at the top end, using a bright and a dark speaker also enhances those characteristics as well
Warren is a trip. Enjoy seeing you both working together on the art of music. Peace.
nice video. warren is such a nice guy man!
always nice to see that the top producers are not half as snobby when it comes to gear than the average internet gear forum hero...
oh and a question: do you sum all that to mono in your daw or how did you do that? the mixer seems to send stereo?
+Chris Wacker you can pan to one side if you like, but it's mono down the center. Seemed cleanest.
Chris Wacker I'll second Glenn's advice. I have been playing with the two mic trick. one on an open back combo and a second on a quad running off a slaved Bassman. I've tried splitting them in the pan by varying degrees, but it's most natural when they are panned identical in the mix.
To be clear, I had two tracks on the DAW, and I summed them there. I haven't got the luxury of a sound booth. I have to evaluate after the fact
Glenn, the secret with the Behringer pre is the transistors they use on the input. The chips are so so, but the differential amp input uses discrete components, well at least that is the case on the ADAT rack. Apparently they are some magic silicon which just works well.
of cource, behringer it puts care to its input circuits, I do not say that it is the great thing since for what it is worth not expect great quality, but in terms of quality / price are the best, I use a Xenyx X2442USB for events, and the truth it was fun to use 2 or 3 mic for the guitar line, the faithful sm57, a Peavey - Pvm 325y when it was not available the 325 used an sm58, all using the sm57 base, as far as the cabinet was used from classic marshall (jensse speakers ) until some home made
the joke is, this console has a very noble pre-amplification stage, and works excellently to play with the tone of the amplifier
That full mix was punchy as hell, I love it!
8:31 Keep this in mind: "You're recording metal". Cheers to that! :D
I finally got a space where I can crank my amp instead of using cab sims, and finally using this method. I found the exact Behringer mixer you have here, and I've been testing with a Shure SM46 and SM86 (condenser) and already it's better than anything I've recorded previously. Many thanks.
Panama guitar cabinets have removable screens on the front for exactly this. They also have removable back panels
Love my Panama Cab not for just this reason but it's a great feature. The D30 speakers (low mid accentuated V30 Clones) are fantastic, my Mesa/Boogie amps love them.
ENGL have those metal grills on guitar cabinets and on 90% combo amps fixed with screws. So you can easily remove those grills and after recording put those back. Great option! :)
The brightest sound will always be when the grille is removed.
+Zachary Williams - Man, to be honest, I did not made any test, cuz I like the sound with grill ON, so I did not changed it. But I know, that some people like it when grill is removed. Not even on Engl cabinets/combo amps, but even on Mesa cabs, Marshalls, Orange etc. You know, different people, different preferences. And that's cool about music - options and diversity! :)
STRAT-O-HOLIC Richman I have my Laney irt60h going into my 212 dirty 30 panama cab, get some dirty nasty sounds
This will be the second time I have used this technique now. This track isn't metal ( more noisy garage ) but I want some gnarl. It's great. Love this trick, thanks!
Glen, thanks so much -your videos are a total joy. I'm a classical percussionist teaching in higher-ed in Virginia, and I love everything you share. \m/ \m/
+CaseyCangelosi thanks!
+CaseyCangelosi my pleasure! Glad you found this useful
:)
What's up man Richmond, VA here.
Thank you very much for making this video. I just tried it - I plugged my Nomad Mesa Boogie (black sheep) in to my fender twin to get two speakers - I ripped them out of my marshall cab 4x a while ago... I put a sm57 on left micing the "bass" speaker off center and a TLM103 on the right speaker centered for the "high". Went into a Behringer X32 rack and then into a Scarlett2i2 and into Logic Pro - added a compressor to each... I've got to say it's a massive tone! I'm playing a Gibson SG tuned down a half step like Hendrix into a Boss DS-1 Keeley mod. I can't thank you enough this is a great sound!!!!!!!! Oh yeah I covered the entire thing in a blanket. Jasen
cool vid. I actually did all of these things he mentions just by instinct back in the day. my local band would track our stuff on blaceface adats, and take it to the old Smart Studios to mix. And a couple of the engineers there we're impressed by my guitar sounds. Then again, those guys weren't into those types of sounds. From whatever pre you use, I quickly discovered that high quality pre's didnt work as easily as a Bob Mackie cheapy. The thing about a distorted guitar is many times high quality mics and pre's expose the sound too much. They can really take the excitement and turn distorted sounds into generic oddities. And amps these days? in the late 80s you had to make a heavy sound. I used to mic the back of a Cab to get low mid thump (sort of worked) or used a BBE. Anything you could find to get that low end. Bill Lawrence pickups. all sorts of eqs in effects loops etc etc. anything. these days? lol. You can buy that sound from any of the popular ready made amps available. All you have to do is get it clear and your most of the way there. One thing I used to do...and I maybe crazy...but I would check the sound by panning it one side. When it sounded like a punchy, focused sound...as if the monitor were the amp itself...I knew I had it. Anway...Great channel.
2:11 AWESOME! I just bought a Behringer EURODESK SL3242FX-PRO and it has these very pre-amps! WOO!!!
My First good recordings were through an 802!! I used a cheap $10 Small Diaphragm condenser mic (Takstar PCM-6100), a Radio Shack # 33-128 Super-Cardiod, and a marshall 15w bass Practice amp on the "Classic" channel. Sat it under the cushions on the couch and shredded away, recording into an old windows XP PC with onboard audio to the line in on Cakewalk ProAudio 9!!
A Long time ago, and certainly not a place I wish to return HAHA!!
Now I run my mics (still have all those PCM6100s and RS mics tho) into a 24ch RAMSA and record on an HD24.
It's amazing what you can do with the cheapest shit available!
Steven Schwarz Back in my Mackie 1202 days, I used to record my guitarist's 10-Watt Park amp inside a small road case that was padded with foam.
grunge distortion, Yamaha powered mixer, swr 2x10 bassman cabinet.. amazingly killer
Was the intro a shampoo ad?
This is a variation of the old Jack Douglas 3 mic technique that started using on Aerosmith in the mid 70s. He typically used a 57, 421, and a condenser like a Fet 47, KM84, etc. He did the same type of tone changes, blending the mics to a single track on tape. I've gotten great guitar sounds over the years using this technique, good to see younger engineers doing the same!
Going for that Tim Horton's sponsorship ehh??
I wish!
Me to.
SpectreSoundStudios one day
Haha first thought.
Game of Thrones, Eh?
I DI my guitar when recording (for noise reasons) and i use a free impulse response (IR) loader which allows you to load 2 IRs and mix them as youd like. You dont get the pre-amp benifits but youve helped me understand what im doing. Thank you.
Please do a video on proper gain staging!
+IV Tympanistam thought I just did!
No I mean for other instruments as well. Drums especially. I don't know how many times I've been sent files with the overheads and rooms clipping like crazy due to people running the mics too hot.
Just realized I had one of these mixers sitting around so I did some experimenting using an sm57 and a Sennheiser e906. I got results that I was much happier with than running those through some of my more expensive rack preamps. Thanks for the great tip Glenn!
+1upfx glad I could help!
The problem with behringer products is that 60% of the time they work every time. :/
I LOVE the tone on the great southern trendkill album!!!!
So, where do the outputs from the Behringer mixer go into the interface/DAW, and do you pan them left and right?
you mix the two into one track. use a line input.
That was gonna be my question... so you have to record them blended to get the effect? Or can you record both separately to a track each and blend in DAW?
@@TrentCrawfordMusic yes, he's recording the blended guitar tones as one track. This is called analog summing (= blending signals together using analog gear). Some people think it sounds better than summing inside the daw, because of the subtle things that happen inside the analog equipment, like saturation, compression etc.
The NOISE 42157 dual recording mic clip would be perfect for this.
I'm a drummer, but didn't understand what your t-shirt said?...
Christiaan Bezuidenhout That’s the point
The drummer is an idiot ,the bass man is a lazy idiot , lead guitar is a premadonna ,and auto tune vocals suck.... pretty sure that about sums it up even a drummer should understand.but on the bright side I wouldn't even try to explain if you said you played the bass guitar lol
@@stockmarketsantaclaus1110 bright side? does that mean the drummer needs an SM57 up his ass?
I just did this technique using a combo JCM800 with an SM57 and a Neumann TLM107!!!!! Super excited about these results!!
Glad it’s working for you!
Note to self: DON'T MIX WHILE WEARING HEADPHONES.
I'm using a similar trick with my Phonic MM 1002, that is identical to your Behringer mixer. I've done an acoustic recording using a condenser mic on line 1 and a cheap Schaller piezo button on channel 2, then blending them exactly as you do. Of course it isn't a metal guitar sound, but the blending process gave me the same satisfaction with cheap stuff. I'm close to nothing in audio production, but amazes me to death when something I came up in the past turns out to be a good trick. Thanks Glenn!
DAMN NICE VIDEO MAN
It’s so crazy to watch your old videos. You’re looking great these days Glenn! Inspirational!
Also, thanks for the killer video!
The technology has moved forward a lot since the 1960s. You get high end results with very cheap gear these days.
Almost all modern preamps (even the extremely cheap ones on the cheapest mixers) are of super high quality. There is usually no audible difference in almost any of them when compared to dedicated multi-thousand dollar ones. There is no magic to the relatively simple preamp circuit. It’s cheap to design and manufacture really high quality ones, especially with modern electronics component tolerances.
Gearslutz is to be blamed on making the preamp selection a religion. The cheapest preamps might have a little more hiss, but thats about it. I.e. they are not more muddy sounding.
Another religion inside the recording industry is the audio interface quality: “I can definitely hear a difference between your $300 audio interface compared to my $3000 one.” No you can’t. The quality of the ADC/DAC chips and their amplification circuits (when comparing between the cheap and expensive ones) has been of so high quality for the past 10-15 years already, that the signal differences they produce are well below the capabilities of human hearing.
thx man!
shhhh don't tell the gearsluts. I started investigating microphone building and I've have to say a similar thing about mics. Sometimes it's about breaking the rules you leanred in audio school haha ;)
While this is somewhat true, there isn't "no difference", between a vintage Neumann through an SSL vs. a B4 through an 18i20, for example. You can get great results, but don't try to tell me that they're the same quality and will sound essentially the same. They aren't and they won't.
Huge difference between my old Behringer UMC and my new Audient interface. The Audient preamp is so much quieter.
Dude - I've invested 2000 eur in 2x Neve 1073 preamp 10 years ago and I never looked back. It has been my working horse ever since and I never regreted the decision. I've liked Apis better on guitars but only slightly. You can use cheap preamps all you want and I believe you can get good results but I'll just stick with my Neve. I mean 2k is a lot of money but I've been using it for 10 years on all of my recordings and intend to use it forever and ever.
awesome. we just finished tracking guitars for my band and we used almost the same method with great results. used Mesa Mark V 35>mesa oversize and krank bully>engl cab into fredman method with e609 on axis and 57 off axis. we have the same berhinger mixer but we are doing the blending of the mics in reaper. sounds huge and damn crisp
So I noticed you have to wires at the eurorack's outputs. I know you don't have the Mics panned, so are you sending a stereo signal out of the eurorack into your interface? Or are you sending a mono signal?
It should be mono. Don’t know why he has it like that. Maybe just for this video.
I have been using the exact same little mixer for years! It's actually feature-packed, even has phantom power.
Hey Glen I’m Curious why did you use the 57 as the dark mic and not on the cone?
I believe the idea is that the 57 pics up the mids and the tom mic adds the bass and treble.
The high end would be over-accentuated by the SM57s hiss and fizziness if it was the bright mic. Similarly with the low end being accentuated by the tom mic, if it was used as the dark mic. Placing them in their contrasting positions helps tame those frequencies from sounding harsher, thus making the blend much easier without carving their EQs to fit.
So funny. I did use a set up like this about 10 years ago with a Behringer mixer and to be honest I didn’t believe how good it was! keep up the good work dude!
Hi. Quick (silly?) question:
If you mix the two signals together on the board, why are you going out of the mixer in stereo?
Thank you for your time.
Anneke Cotrotsos wondering the same thing.
They aren't hard panned, so they mix together thru a stereo output
Also, how are you monitoring(listening to)what you are doing? Is the cab in a seperate room? Otherwise you would be hearing the cab & not the mixer through your monitors, right?
Man, I really appreciate this video. It's like finding the missing puzzle piece I've been looking for when recording.
Also the V30 + K85/K100 speaker combination is by far my favorite and have all my 4x12's set up with them.
V30’s are okay. Patriot Swamp Things, and Celestion G12’s tho 👌
Great lesson. Exact same thing the tech told me at the store when I bought a Samson C03 condenser and have it plugged to my Alesis multi-mix. It is just that he did not demonstrated it to me so this video really affirms me of that tip.
Behringer makes kick ass stuff, I could care less how cheap they are. Glenn, are you recording the 2 blended channels to single track or keeping them separate?
He blended them to a single track. Said it in the video
He did a single track, anyway if you record multitrack is a nice experiment to check different combinations with the same recording guitar
I accidentally discovered using a 57 and 421 in the same way a couple of years ago in college, been doing it that way on every metal track since, always get a great sound from it!
Do you think the blanket would help with the neighbors?
Sure, just use it to smother them in their sleep. No neighbors, no problem.
+Henrique Silva no. You need isolation. Better to build a cabinet "doghouse"
Smurfman256 now thats the greatest trick ever! Haha
SpectreSoundStudios Thanks! Also thank you for the great content!
They're moving blankets. You could help your neighbors move out of the neighborhood
Dude! So I followed your instructions to the letter and holy shit! I have been fighting for this tone for years! Every note in leads and every cord in rhythms punches you in the face like a pissed off Mike Tyson! It's frickin awesome!!!! I'm only using a drive pedal sim on my Axe-FX, no other effects. Thanks so much for the info. You rock!!!!!
Why does distortion sound like shit until its mixed with a full band? Then it sounds amazing
+Vincent master bassist that's what's important: how it works in a mix
I thought you replied with bassists that's what matters
ciaran fay same lol
because of the lack of bass guitar most times.
Vincent master bassist Distorted guitars have the mids turned up to cut through the mix. When you already have the bass on the low end, you need the guitar to occupy a different tonal range, otherwise you have two instruments competing instead of complementing each other. It might sound a little thin on its own, but when the bass and drums are added in, you get the full range of sounds for the mix.
thanks so much for the hot tip . I've been criticized for using cheap Mic's . no idea what one's I needed , now I know . got a Fender Quad reverb dual stack . doing sessions on controlled feedback , these should work well for starters
Plot twist: pros use mackie
1x12 cab Eminence V12-16 , audix i5 placed basically halfway between where you put your two mics, box it all in with couch cushions. Works wonders on the cheap cheap.
Really can't stand that thin metallic, scrapy tone that is so popular nowadays
Charles Ayala which is why he doesn't like Line 6
I like the scooped mids that everyone rips on for getting ”lost in the mix” (lol)
i think the periphery guitar tone is pretty much the best out there right now....for any genre.. just so aggressive and clear and beautiful at the same time
Nah, listen to Volturyon. That is some crushing metal tone. Periphery is too sharp and dry
That's some pretty cool tricks, Glenn!
In fact I've been using the "put blankets/build a tent around the cabinet" trick over the past few months, however not initially to avoid catching room reflections, but to reduce guitar strings bleed (mostly on fast rhythm parts). I'm living in a 20sqm apartment, so I don't have any control room, therefore the best I can do is to sit 3-4 meters away from the cab and hope my guitar strings do not bleed all over my tracks. Anyway, the blankets REALLY helped cleaning things up in both purposes, so I can definitely recommend that trick, especially for bedroom musicians :).
Thanks for being so transparent with your recording techniques! This is insanely helpful for amateurs. Cheers!
Damn! I've been using this little mixer for about 2 months now. So far so good.
I love this video! I pulled in a Yamaha MG06X mixer(a little more pricy) and had some pretty nasty sounding tones using the EVH 5150 III(lunchbox head). This was being pushed through a Blackstar ID series 2x12. I used my SM-57 and a cheaper Sterling cardioid I had laying around. While I could not live without the 57 I have been having fun with other combinations.
Just put together the exact same set up and it sounds amazing!
For an Audix D2, a shure 57, and a 25$ Behringer mixer, for under 200$ you can get insane good metal sound!
This trick totally works, with a good amp of course.
Glenn, I hope you come back to this...
An incredible drummer that I used to jam with was big into recording and I am sure he still is. Now that I'm obtaining interest in this concept, ie
Exactly what the title here says, "how do I sound like the guy I listen to"
I really like to have some time studying theories before I delve into anything and its mostly due to time and money. Thanks, dude.
That was pretty darn cool with the mixing of the mics.
This is my first time seeing Glenn play guitar. This is cool, thank you for the new technique.
I have the Audix DP7 kit and have used the i5/ADX51 combo on a guitar cab and the results were fantastic! The i5 gave it more growl while the condenser made it shine.
You've gotten so much better at playing guitar and your tone is immaculate. It's pretty inspiring!
Thanks for this, I tried it last night and got some amazing tracks. They sound so friggin loud! I've been recording music since the late 80's but never stumbled on to this technique, I'm gonna be using this all the time!