I've seen many testimonies of dying and returning, and at least some of the time God gives people a choice of staying or going back. When we pray for an older person to be healed, and they die, keep in mind that they may PREFER to go home over staying in an aging body.
I think that Jesus and the apostles give a better picture of what happenes past death than many NDE:s do. I think it´s good if "testing them against scripture"and other things
I am a devout follower of Christ. My faith is strong. I do not believe in NDE's, nor do they make sense to me based on Gods Word. Also, hoards of people who are not Christians at all, before or after, alleged these amazing 'NDE's' where they go to some amazing, loving place full of light, ect, ect. I just watched some women claim she 'died' and was told she was a "spirit warrior" and now she studies all these eastern 'religions' and fuses some of her own pseudo religion into it. As Christians we shouldn't need to or even want to look to stuff like NDE to affirm our faith. Our faith needs to be in God,his word which is living and our relationship with him. It takes work, hard work, a lot of times to receive revelation. But please don't look for stuff like this to bolster your faith. Its like building your house on sand.
From watching many NDE’s on UA-cam I saw that half were talking to Jesus or God and the other half were New Age mumbo jumbo. This tells me that we can have NDE’s from God but also from the enemy to further deceive.
It's relative to the individual which is fine. I wouldn't say those who don't experience Jesus are wrong they just have an experience relative to their own soul
@@iiix808xiii 1 Corinthians 13:12: New International Version "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
It seems strange to me that God would use a mechanism to give visions of Him and also allow that same mechanism to be used against Him. Cherry picking like that feels very disingenuous.
Exactly! This is one of my main issues with 'NDE' .. just as many non religious, non Christians report them. And theirs always seem to be super positive.
Because they're being shown what is available to them if they believe in the word. It's a second chance and an opportunity to spread their experience. Many have converted because of them. The book of John even says that much of what was taught wasn't written down.
Perhaps God has a plan for some sinners to be shown a glimpse of heaven, if that doesn't work, nothing will. In Luke 15:7 it says, "I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent." Paul was a sinner for killing christians before Jesus appeared to Paul as Jesus certainly had a plan for Paul.
Nintendo characters? Elvis? Yamatoots? NDE STUDIES - (Los Angeles Times excerpts)...................... Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and it was found that THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu king of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. BUT, DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED, AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, atheists, suicides, hedonists, felons (murder), abusers, and gay people have claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter hell FOR THE SAME REASONS. Contradictions abound. This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? Has the hereafter developed the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Where is the afterlife getting the raw materials and tools needed to manufacture and construct those ever-increasing cubes, cages, and rooms in hell that some claim? And is it demons that actually do the assembling/building/placement? Or who? And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? Strangely, the answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to. Thai Buddhist afterlife voyagers claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, complete with talking dead roosters accusing them, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. Does that mean westerners also will be going to Buddhist hell for eating chicken? And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? The problems are myriad. Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.” But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
I have watched many many NDEs and concur about their reality and biblical basis. I have ALSO encountered and have seen CONTERFEITS that mislead and deceive...so beware. DISCERN!!
@@yuiopoli9601 That Jesus is an ascended master, just as Mohammed or Buddha is considered to be. That all religions lead to the same God, that there is no hell.
@@yuiopoli9601 Offhand, no I cannot, but I was answering your question as to what the "counterfeiters were trying to pass off." The video to which we were all originally commenting about is how NDE's are biblical. There are some commonalities to most NDE's but also many differences and even contradictions, so how does one determine what is true?
@@CandiceSumera Okay. The veritical data is the only proof up to now, and people's stories (which I believe for the most part) cannot be validated but added with the NDE/OBE veritical data, the book of Thomas, the Tibetan book of the dead, et cetera makes compelling evidence. That said, I contrast all of it with the Bible. Many Biblical things come to mind such as Lucifer coming as a being of light, "therefore do not be deceived", "seducing spirits", the mark of the beast forming around us, the apparent end times happening around us including Tim Cohen's antiChrist and a cup of tea book and the new King Charles. Etc. Do you have any thoughts on all of this?
Most NDE's come back with a renewed sense of spiritual connection with God...BUT they frequently claim there is NO hell and most all report feeling connected to and are part of 'The Source'. The God of the bible is not consistent with most NDE's. But this gives me hope.
Well the bible speaks more of hell I think then it goes heaven not too sure but how can there be no he'll if there is a heaven ? Both are real pray and ask god to reveal to you the truth
I believe the conundrum lies in many factors. There will be no hellish experience for some. There will be for others. It's not a contradiction it's basically relative to the individual. Paul had a NDE in 2 Corinthians 12 the Bible supports NDEs
Between 15% - 25% of NDEs are reported as hellish experiences. The representations of hell in these experiences are consistent with many depictions in the Bible.
I´m afraid that not everything is what it seams and looks like. I think Jesus is reliable. I have believed in him since I was 16 (came from a secular family but became christian "on my own"). I have had experiences of what I think is supernatural myself- very strange events, and not visions but actual physical events. They were not NDE:s, and they have been pointing towards the cross.
@@MagicalChemicalDaddy-hv8fe I just read it, Paul talks of a man who had the NDE and Paul never condemned the NDE, but says he would boast of the man who had it.
1 Corinthians 13:12 ► New International Version "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
You need to be careful though and compare the experiences with what's written in the Bible, King James is a more accurate one. Study and Rightfully Divide Scripture (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). I'm telling you this because some maybe deceptions from devils.
Thank you! I've read and listened to far more near death experiences of those deceived than those that corroborate the bible. The near death experience is a VERY powerful tool of the enemy.
@SunriseseXx Hi Sunrise, I'm not certain what you're referring to exactly, but the bible warns us to test the spirits. If our experience contradicts what's in the bible, that's how we can know that we're dealing with the demonic. For instance, if one comes away from the near death experience with the idea that sin doesn't matter, the purpose of life is solely is "brotherly love", or that after this life we get another chance, you better run. God Bless you.
@@Revelation--ti8pm Yet my mum converted after literally meeting her guardian angel. She had he time of death called and came back. Didn't Paul experience Heaven in the New Testament and was told not to speak about what he observed? I do think we need to be skeptically and discerning, just not Cynical. "Don't be afraid, Just believe" as Jesus said.
If you believe that Christianity is the only way to God then NDE's are not consistent with the Bible because many people who have had NDE's report that the message they received is that there is NO "RIGHT "religion to the exclusion of all others. But if you believe God is bigger than any one religion then you can accept that people who's spirit person leaves their body for a time and has "heavenly" experiences then come back into their body may have had a brief but incomplete glimpse of the life that waits for us after we leave our earthly body and exist as a purely spiritual being. If you take 100 people and sent them to different cities in Europe for a few hours and then brought them all back and ask them what is Europe like you would get 100 different descriptions of Europe and all them would be true but incomplete and you would still not really know what all parts of Europe is like.
I see some NDE that do not back up the Bible and some even say that what we Christians believe is not needed. NDE's can ad an insite to what happens in the afterlife but if it defies the Bible then be very very cautious.
The two comments above me are completely nonsensical. I'm not at all able to discern anything, even remotely coherent in them. But John you're absolutely right. NDE is something both luckwark Christians and non Christians alike cling to for comfort. They're not real.
@AUniqueHandleName444 so you're here on this video because you cling to the NDE videos you've seen to comfort yourself and you're also blaspheming God? You seem utterly confused, scared and angry.
I haven’t listened to your video, but the reality is that they are happening. They are documented. There are so many that one university has a department dedicated to these experiences in the United States. I see very often, generally men who question these experiences, but they haven’t listened to them. You have to listen to them and use the discernment to discern where do they belong. These experiences are happening to all kinds of people, believers and non-believers. So, I listened and believe the ones who are Christians which go according to the Scriptures.
@@Yet333 My mum became a Christian after her car crash. She clinically died and came back after the time was called. At the time, she was a staunched aethist until she met her guardian angel.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj? For those who want to know the full story.......... THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts) Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound. There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical? This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers? Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN." But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
As a new christian myself i am curious, how do you reconcile with the experiences that seem spiritual but decidedly absent of Christian themes and iconography?
To the cynical skeptics. Jesus has already told us about you:. Luke 16:31 New International Version (NIV) “He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. ' ”
2 Corinthians 12: **I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.** 3 And I knew such a man, (**whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)** 4 **How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.** If you don't know NDEs are in the Bible how do you expect to know if reincarnation is biblical or what's shared in NDEs is in the Bible or not. One man's ignorance is another man's lie. I say its so much ignorance in this comment thread.
I do not believe in near death experiences either you’re dead or you not…it’s just like saying near pregnant experience…either you pregnant or you’re not…if you’re really dead believe me you aren’t coming back!!!
How can that be when the Bible CLEARLY says “For it is appointed to man to die ONCE and after this the Judgement”. I do NOT believe these people, for whatever reasons, God’s mercy most likely - were truly dead - because if not - HOW then, can it be explained that NON-BELIEVERS go to HEAVEN on an NDE - Brother THAT is NOT consistent. God Bless
If they live with love as christ explained, put effort and care for others and put those teachings into action unknowingly. I think maybe God might see that as worshipping the Holy spirit within all beings and take him to heaven
Jesus taught reincarnation. That verse is only in context to the earthly man that dies. Paul had a NDE in 2 Corinthians 12 If you want some training on reincarnation teachings of Jesus I can teach you.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj? For those who want to know the full story.......... THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts) Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound. There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical? This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers? Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN." But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
@@aryanraina1076 You speak of a works-based Salvation, the Bible clearly teaches that it is not by works, it is by the grace of God, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone!
@@billfirestein4786 Hi Bill, that's interesting. Which Bible are you reading? My Bible doesn't mention aliens and doesn't suggest that we are some low level creation of God that needs to evolve. As a Bible believing Christian, I also don't think Jesus would condone participating in New Age practices such as Reiki. These are things Howard Storm has touted in his interviews.
Some see life through the lens of their belief systems. If what they are looking at doesn't match up with what they have already accepted to be true, then they begin to look for ways to denounce what they are looking at. This colors their experience of life to a very great degree... so much so that they can not see life for what it is. They can not see things objectively and allow things to reveal themselves for what they really are.
I haven't seen that "constant message" at all. There is a judgment (and people judge THEMSELVES for their ill deeds, even if they wouldn't have done so before), and they do believe that there is a right -- to love -- and a wrong -- to hate or to be apathetic to others. It lines up with this: Jesus answered him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind’. This is the first and great commandment. And there is a second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself’. The whole of the Law and the Prophets depends on these two commandments.”
What about NDE sin and/or karma?........... STEPHEN T.: "I was caught in a trough under water in huge surf. There was panic, knowing I am going to drown. I realized I had to give up, I could not hold breath any longer. Sudden calmness and resignation; lost track of body. Clear and graphic life review, as if events were cataloged. Sudden transformation into a realm of timeless absolute beauty, absolute love, and absolute infinity. The radiance was literally unbearable. THERE WAS ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS, NON-JUDGEMENT, non-duality, timeless, NO BLAME OR RETRIBUTION, NO SIN, NO KARMA." What about sin?....J. SMITH: "I was totally aware. I was in blackness. I couldn’t see anything. I was thinking to myself, 'This isn’t the way it is supposed to be. I’m not supposed to know anything and I do. What on Earth has happened?' At that point I felt something leave my body. It was a whoosh. It went up through the top of my head. I could feel it and I could hear it. Just a gentle whoosh. At that point I found myself standing in a kind of gray mist. Then I knew I had died. This love said to me, 'YOU ARE MY BELOVED SOUL, I LOVE YOU WITHOUT CONDITIONS'. When I said to him, 'I know what’s going on. I know that I have died,' he said, 'Yes, that’s true, but you are not going to be staying here. It isn’t time for you to be here yet.' I said to him again, 'Everything since I passed over is so beautiful. Everything is so perfect. WHAT ABOUT MY SINS?' I ALWAYS FELT LIKE YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THEM. HE SAID, 'THERE ARE NO SINS, not the way you think of them on Earth. The only thing that has any meaning here is what you think.' Then he asked me a question. 'What is in your heart?' Then in some incredible way that I don’t understand at all, I was able to look deeply inside myself, really into the very core of me to my essence. I saw that what was there was love, nothing else. MY CORE WAS PERFECT LOVE, LOVING PERFECTION. I had complete love and acceptance for everything. I simply was perfect and loving. NOW THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO JUST ME. IT APPLIES TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE. THAT IS OUR CORE. This love, this perfection, this God-ness." Jesus again....L. HERNANDEZ: "I've been an atheist all my life. I had an NDE and in a few minutes my life changed completely. Part of my experience was with the one people call Jesus. Religion is not from God, I asked and was told this. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT IN OUR CREATOR because only love, he is. HELL IS MAN'S CREATION, SO IS SIN. It's all controlled by fear. ANITA MOORJANI: "I UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY THAT THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT on the other side, THERE IS NO MORAL HAMMER THAT IS DROPPED; I saw clearly that this is a human device used by other humans to make us fall in line with the moral majority. KARMA WILL NOT BE WAITING FOR US, TO 'GET US BACK' FOR WHATEVER WE DID." What sin?....PATSY D.: "I was born in Kansas in the heart of the Bible belt. I was raised a devout Christian. I had been baptized by the age of twelve, and taught the words of God; all the concepts of heaven and hell, as taught in the Bible, all of which I accepted and certainly believed. I was very religious. Suddenly I was floating above my body, which was lying in the carport. I had no sense of movement and I was not afraid. I was fully conscious. As they placed my body in the ambulance, I floated along with it. He put an oxygen mask over my body's mouth and applied electric shocks to the chest three times, each time taking a pulse. Halfway to the hospital, he stopped and told the driver to turn off the siren. I was dead. I turned around and was immersed in light. I WAS SURROUNDED BY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AND TOTAL ACCEPTANCE. A completeness, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and absolute safety. I knew I was complete at last. NEVER HAD I FELT SUCH SAFETY AND SERENITY BEFORE. Suddenly, I had all knowledge. All that I had ever heard or known was swept away. I KNEW THAT THERE IS NO SIN. I knew that I had existed since the moment of creation, that I shall always exist, and that all consciousness is in the act of becoming. I GAINED THE KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR OWN TIME, AND CREATE THE METHOD OF THEIR DEMISE. I floated over to my body and sank down into it. My body began to shake and the sheet fell to the floor. The nurse screamed. The doctor ran to the table. I sat up, trying to get off the table. The nurse did not want to approach the table again. Everyone in the room were frozen in place. As if their brains could not process what their eyes were observing. He told me that I had been officially dead for one hour. I went to church the next Sunday and couldn't even sit through the service. I WANTED TO STAND UP AND TELL EVERYONE THAT THIS WAS WRONG AND HOW WONDERFUL THEY WERE."
Is reincarnation consistent with the bible ? I ask because many NDE’ers believe in reincarnation. These are beliefs they did not have prior to their experience. Some of them were even raised in a Christian household . How do you account for their beliefs? Either the bible has left reincarnation out or these people are worshipping a different god . Which one is it ?
Everyone including their neighbors are having NDE's, it makes me wonder if it all real or not, and if real why this knowledge of life after life is suppressed, like if it's all real then explaining as it really is. It's not rocket science.
Thank you!... I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of these NDE vids... almost daily... all diff stories. It’s crazy. At least I’m not alone seeing this all and really scratching my head. Ty
@@Yet333 Any videos that explain the different places people go? I mean this, that I’ve heard of the tunnel of light, I’ve heard of light, of balls of light, of spinning light, of telepathic light that offered sensations, of dark rooms, of tunnels leading into complete darkness, of places that sound like what you or I would consider “hell”, of being above one’s body, etc etc and I’m trying to find videos that catalogue these spaces. Know any good videos?
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj? For those who want to know the full story.......... THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts) Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound. There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical? This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers? Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN." But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
There are different near death experiences. As a christian believer I think that it is not fully certain that a majority of them are 100% consistent with a christian faith. (I am myself active in different christian denominations - mostly Church of Sweden (Lutheran) and The Catholic Church. (I choose after the individual preacher sundays, not denominations-so I´m a little of "protestant-catholic-orthodox 🙂 being for the unity among all christians with classic christian beliefs.) I saw a video recently where the tehologian/apologist Dave Hunt had perceived it, after looking at maybe a 1000 NDE:s, as that there seamed to be an element of th 4 lies of Eden in many of them. I´m afraid that there even may be to some extent a deceptive demonic element in some of the NDE-cases, or at least that it is not given that they all will give a correct picture of what is happening after death.That´s my take on it at this very moment.
Call it what you want, but the Lord will show to whom he wants the light of heaven, and all you have to do is ask for the blood of Jesus…the book of kreep🍃
Not necessarily. There's a very wide variety of messages coming from Entities like Jesus in which some messages are consistent with the Bible, but others not. Certainly the NDE's in which people are seen preparing for their next incarnation are opposed to Biblical teachings, since according to the Bible, we only live once. It's obvious that reincarnation is the true situation.
I don't know if all nde are theologically sound. Shaman Oaks channel had interviewed a man who described dwarfish alien-looking beings that followed God with his nde experience. Not very biblical. As believers we need to test every spirit.
@@trutrek913 I actually see no similarity at all. The visions contained in Revelation are spiritual metaphors; they have a deep theological meaning, which is why they are encased, as it were, in apocalyptic language. Apocalyptic language is itself a form of lyrical speech that conveys meaning through symbolic images, whose significance comes from God's prophecies to the people of Israel throughout all of Jewish history. Some wacko's shallow hallucination of weird alien things has nothing at all to do with that.
@@SomeRandomNerdYo Ezekiel had a vision that is either metaphor or some hallucination, each being having four faces and four wings sounds like weird alien things. Since we are trying to learn what forgotten metaphors used to mean from thousands of years ago, probably should just ignore them and focus on what can be understood otherwise you would have to believe some crackpot's idea of what they are with no assurance that it is accurate.
Jesus said that you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Jesus did not tell the whole truth 2000 years ago. Jesus also said you are gods. Jesus said do not listen to men.
Whose theology? ...Protestant hold that when you die your body goes to grave and you into unconscious till the day of judgment, day of resurrection... Catholics say different thing... after you die you are soon judged and go to beyond point of return: Hell or Heaven or Purgatory... and on the last judgement you are reunited with your resurrected body and you and all will see the consequences of your unrepentant sins and good deeds on the whole humanity and then back to Hell or Heaven...
These experiences where people claim to have gone to Heaven, Hell, or Heaven and Hell are not based of fact. Humans do NOT have a spiritual body but have a natural body,are flesh and blood and cannot enter a spiritual place such as Heaven or Hell as they are not Spiritual beings.They are terrestrial beings. it is after the first resurrection that those who are saved will have their bodies changed and be immortal 1st Corinthians 15:40. 42, 44 and 53 & 54 and be as the Angels of God in Heaven Matthew 22:30. the unsaved at the second resurrection will be judged and undergo a second death according to Revelation 21:8 Verses from the Hebrew-Greek Study Bible King James Version Red Letter Edition Publisher AMG PUBLISHING Whereas Angels are Celestial beings and have a Spiritual body and can reside in Heaven or Hell.1st Corinthians 15:40 As well when one says that Hell is eternal this is not true for Hell is to done away with according to Revelation 20:14. The saved do not go to Heaven and the unsaved are NOT being tormented in Hell and the Spirit/Soul does not leave the body during a supposed Heaven/Hell experience after death as humans do NOT have a Spiritual body and or have the capacity to do this. in Ecclesiastes 9:5 The dead know nothing. .
Christian's have a new spirit. We are spirit, soul and body. From a carnal point of view, some people believe more in body and soul. When we accept Jesus and walk in His ways, we are a new creation, in Christ, seated in heavenly places. If you don't believe that, then cross it out of your Bible.
You don't have all the answers, none of us do. How do you explain this scripture for example?: ◄ Luke 23:43 ► New International Version "Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, TODAY you will be with me in paradise.” Just be humble.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj? For those who want to know the full story.......... THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts) Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound. There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical? This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers? Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN." But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj? For those who want to know the full story.......... THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts) Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS. Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS. HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized. Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED. A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE. In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT. You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE. The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE. The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS. Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound. There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical? This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers? Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN." But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.” Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings. A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS. Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others. Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS." But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital. There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal. Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue. There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
If we go to hell or heaven at death... What is the return of Christ where he wakes those in the memorial tombs and at sea? Are they in heaven and have to come back down into a body to rise again?
Various traditions maintain that there is an intermediate state which isn't actually heaven or hell per se. And the resurrection is in the body not spiritual as far as I can tell.
I've seen many testimonies of dying and returning, and at least some of the time God gives people a choice of staying or going back. When we pray for an older person to be healed, and they die, keep in mind that they may PREFER to go home over staying in an aging body.
I think that Jesus and the apostles give a better picture of what happenes past death than many NDE:s do. I think it´s good if "testing them against scripture"and other things
I am a devout follower of Christ. My faith is strong. I do not believe in NDE's, nor do they make sense to me based on Gods Word. Also, hoards of people who are not Christians at all, before or after, alleged these amazing 'NDE's' where they go to some amazing, loving place full of light, ect, ect. I just watched some women claim she 'died' and was told she was a "spirit warrior" and now she studies all these eastern 'religions' and fuses some of her own pseudo religion into it. As Christians we shouldn't need to or even want to look to stuff like NDE to affirm our faith. Our faith needs to be in God,his word which is living and our relationship with him. It takes work, hard work, a lot of times to receive revelation. But please don't look for stuff like this to bolster your faith. Its like building your house on sand.
The saved aren't asleep in death. Soul sleep isn't biblical.
From watching many NDE’s on UA-cam I saw that half were talking to Jesus or God and the other half were New Age mumbo jumbo. This tells me that we can have NDE’s from God but also from the enemy to further deceive.
Absolutely agree 👍
It's relative to the individual which is fine. I wouldn't say those who don't experience Jesus are wrong they just have an experience relative to their own soul
@@MagicalChemicalDaddy-hv8fe I had a Mormon women give me her NDE and she said she saw Heavenly Father AND heavenly mother? Deception runs deep.
@@iiix808xiii 1 Corinthians 13:12:
New International Version
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
It seems strange to me that God would use a mechanism to give visions of Him and also allow that same mechanism to be used against Him. Cherry picking like that feels very disingenuous.
Not sure how these people that are not Christians in life, experience this taste of Paradise. That certainly is NOT consistent with the Bible.
Perhaps it is the bible that is not consistent with Gods truths
Exactly! This is one of my main issues with 'NDE' .. just as many non religious, non Christians report them. And theirs always seem to be super positive.
Because they're being shown what is available to them if they believe in the word. It's a second chance and an opportunity to spread their experience. Many have converted because of them. The book of John even says that much of what was taught wasn't written down.
Perhaps God has a plan for some sinners to be shown a glimpse of heaven, if that doesn't work, nothing will.
In Luke 15:7 it says, "I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent." Paul was a sinner for killing christians before Jesus appeared to Paul as Jesus certainly had a plan for Paul.
@@truthmatters9594 The bible and God's truth are one and the same. If someone reads it and says no, certainly didn't understand what they read.
Most people do not know, over 1,000,000 NDEs are now being reported every single year, and that number continues to rise.
NDE is a dimension you can't replicate it's real. God is real that's all you need to know.
Amen!
Nintendo characters? Elvis? Yamatoots?
NDE STUDIES - (Los Angeles Times excerpts)......................
Researchers estimate that around 17 percent of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't. Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines, and the stories are a veritable twilight zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous “tunnel”, but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXICABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from “death” claiming they were GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD BY STILL LIVING TEACHERS, AND NINTENDO CHARACTERS, instead of deceased relatives.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" and WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don’t believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced God as described in the Old Testament; while Messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and it was found that THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu king of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to go back, and that he (Jesus) would return (2nd coming) before Richard Eby died permanently. BUT, DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED, AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - but so far NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
You would expect, that if any particular religious account of the afterlife were true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS, IN SAUDI ARABIA IT'S MOHAMMED, ALLAH, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real saw a Jesus with sea green-blue eyes on A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, God with BLUE EYES, YELLOW HAIR AND HUGE WINGS, and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND A RED CAP A.K.A. SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand and India rarely involve landmarks, tunnels or light; for Tibetans, light features more heavily, as do illusions of reincarnation. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly, the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr’s subjective experiences can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC. - NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, or CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS, or castles in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE; Micronesians describe large, noisy CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, atheists, suicides, hedonists, felons (murder), abusers, and gay people have claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter hell FOR THE SAME REASONS. Contradictions abound.
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining in factories, the materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? Has the hereafter developed the tools and machinery needed to manufacture? Where is the afterlife getting the raw materials and tools needed to manufacture and construct those ever-increasing cubes, cages, and rooms in hell that some claim? And is it demons that actually do the assembling/building/placement? Or who? And, exactly which of the variety of hells do you actually go to? The Christian one? Hindu? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Muslim? Strangely, the answer seems to be whichever one the experiencer has been exposed to. Thai Buddhist afterlife voyagers claim to encounter lord Yama and Yamatoots, complete with talking dead roosters accusing them, and being sentenced for butchering and eating chickens. Does that mean westerners also will be going to Buddhist hell for eating chicken? And what fuel do those spiritual cars run on? Wouldn't the hereafter then require waste disposal and a sewage system as well? The problems are myriad.
Even in her rather homogenous western European clientele, Kübler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: “I never encountered a Protestant child who saw the Virgin Mary in his last minutes, yet she was perceived by many Catholic children.”
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. That could help explain why only a small percentage of people who flat line have NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
I have watched many many NDEs and concur about their reality and biblical basis. I have ALSO encountered and have seen CONTERFEITS that mislead and deceive...so beware. DISCERN!!
What were the counterfeits trying to pass off?
@@yuiopoli9601 That Jesus is an ascended master, just as Mohammed or Buddha is considered to be. That all religions lead to the same God, that there is no hell.
@@CandiceSumera Without the Bible can you offer any evidence that what they say is not true?
@@yuiopoli9601 Offhand, no I cannot, but I was answering your question as to what the "counterfeiters were trying to pass off." The video to which we were all originally commenting about is how NDE's are biblical. There are some commonalities to most NDE's but also many differences and even contradictions, so how does one determine what is true?
@@CandiceSumera Okay.
The veritical data is the only proof up to now, and people's stories (which I believe for the most part) cannot be validated but added with the NDE/OBE veritical data, the book of Thomas, the Tibetan book of the dead, et cetera makes compelling evidence.
That said, I contrast all of it with the Bible. Many Biblical things come to mind such as Lucifer coming as a being of light, "therefore do not be deceived", "seducing spirits", the mark of the beast forming around us, the apparent end times happening around us including Tim Cohen's antiChrist and a cup of tea book and the new King Charles. Etc.
Do you have any thoughts on all of this?
Some do go along with the Gospel and some go against the Gospel, some are definitely fake or deceived. We must be discerning.
Lee strobel... has become a cbn player .. says volumes to validity of integrity
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
John 3:13 NKJV
If you take that out of context and so literally it would mean Elijah and Enoch weren't taken up at all, and we know they were.
Perhaps Heaven is but one room, and NDE’er’s testify of other rooms.
Do you actually presume to know it all?
2 Corinthians 12. It's an interesting read. I believe Paul had one. He didn't admit about it because he didn't want to boast in himself.
Most NDE's come back with a renewed sense of spiritual connection with God...BUT they frequently claim there is NO hell and most all report feeling connected to and are part of 'The Source'. The God of the bible is not consistent with most NDE's. But this gives me hope.
Well the bible speaks more of hell I think then it goes heaven not too sure but how can there be no he'll if there is a heaven ? Both are real pray and ask god to reveal to you the truth
I believe the conundrum lies in many factors. There will be no hellish experience for some. There will be for others.
It's not a contradiction it's basically relative to the individual. Paul had a NDE in 2 Corinthians 12 the Bible supports NDEs
Between 15% - 25% of NDEs are reported as hellish experiences. The representations of hell in these experiences are consistent with many depictions in the Bible.
I´m afraid that not everything is what it seams and looks like. I think Jesus is reliable. I have believed in him since I was 16 (came from a secular family but became christian "on my own"). I have had experiences of what I think is supernatural myself- very strange events, and not visions but actual physical events. They were not NDE:s, and they have been pointing towards the cross.
@@MagicalChemicalDaddy-hv8fe I just read it, Paul talks of a man who had the NDE and Paul never condemned the NDE, but says he would boast of the man who had it.
You use not ONE single example of Bible reference to what you’re saying... another deception.
One man's lie is another man's ignorance.
1 Corinthians 13:12 ►
New International Version
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
You need to be careful though and compare the experiences with what's written in the Bible, King James is a more accurate one. Study and Rightfully Divide Scripture (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). I'm telling you this because some maybe deceptions from devils.
Thank you! I've read and listened to far more near death experiences of those deceived than those that corroborate the bible. The near death experience is a VERY powerful tool of the enemy.
@SunriseseXx Hi Sunrise, I'm not certain what you're referring to exactly, but the bible warns us to test the spirits. If our experience contradicts what's in the bible, that's how we can know that we're dealing with the demonic. For instance, if one comes away from the near death experience with the idea that sin doesn't matter, the purpose of life is solely is "brotherly love", or that after this life we get another chance, you better run. God Bless you.
@@Revelation--ti8pm Yet my mum converted after literally meeting her guardian angel. She had he time of death called and came back.
Didn't Paul experience Heaven in the New Testament and was told not to speak about what he observed?
I do think we need to be skeptically and discerning, just not Cynical. "Don't be afraid, Just believe" as Jesus said.
The KJV is among the least accurate translations of the Bible.
If you believe that Christianity is the only way to God then NDE's are not consistent with the Bible because many people who have had NDE's report that the message they received is that there is NO "RIGHT "religion to the exclusion of all others. But if you believe God is bigger than any one religion then you can accept that people who's spirit person leaves their body for a time and has "heavenly" experiences then come back into their body may have had a brief but incomplete glimpse of the life that waits for us after we leave our earthly body and exist as a purely spiritual being. If you take 100 people and sent them to different cities in Europe for a few hours and then brought them all back and ask them what is Europe like you would get 100 different descriptions of Europe and all them would be true but incomplete and you would still not really know what all parts of Europe is like.
I see some NDE that do not back up the Bible and some even say that what we Christians believe is not needed. NDE's can ad an insite to what happens in the afterlife but if it defies the Bible then be very very cautious.
Well, the Bible says God can't overcome iron chariots...
You in your Bible If you read your Bible properly It will tell you about neo death experiences death experiences
The two comments above me are completely nonsensical. I'm not at all able to discern anything, even remotely coherent in them. But John you're absolutely right. NDE is something both luckwark Christians and non Christians alike cling to for comfort. They're not real.
@AUniqueHandleName444 so you're here on this video because you cling to the NDE videos you've seen to comfort yourself and you're also blaspheming God? You seem utterly confused, scared and angry.
I haven’t listened to your video, but the reality is that they are happening. They are documented. There are so many that one university has a department dedicated to these experiences in the United States. I see very often, generally men who question these experiences, but they haven’t listened to them. You have to listen to them and use the discernment to discern where do they belong. These experiences are happening to all kinds of people, believers and non-believers. So, I listened and believe the ones who are Christians which go according to the Scriptures.
Only believers?... go to scripture??
Oh my, we are in trouble
@@Yet333 My mum became a Christian after her car crash. She clinically died and came back after the time was called. At the time, she was a staunched aethist until she met her guardian angel.
So, what? God sends 'real' NDEs to Christians and 'fake' NDEs to non-Christians?
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj?
For those who want to know the full story..........
THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts)
Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound.
There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical?
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers?
Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN."
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
As a new christian myself i am curious, how do you reconcile with the experiences that seem spiritual but decidedly absent of Christian themes and iconography?
To the cynical skeptics. Jesus has already told us about you:.
Luke 16:31 New International Version (NIV)
“He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead. ' ”
2 Corinthians 12: **I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.**
3 And I knew such a man, (**whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)**
4 **How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.**
If you don't know NDEs are in the Bible how do you expect to know if reincarnation is biblical or what's shared in NDEs is in the Bible or not.
One man's ignorance is another man's lie. I say its so much ignorance in this comment thread.
I do not believe in near death experiences either you’re dead or you not…it’s just like saying near pregnant experience…either you pregnant or you’re not…if you’re really dead believe me you aren’t coming back!!!
How can that be when the Bible CLEARLY says “For it is appointed to man to die ONCE and after this the Judgement”. I do NOT believe these people, for whatever reasons, God’s mercy most likely - were truly dead - because if not - HOW then, can it be explained that NON-BELIEVERS go to HEAVEN on an NDE - Brother THAT is NOT consistent. God Bless
If they live with love as christ explained, put effort and care for others and put those teachings into action unknowingly. I think maybe God might see that as worshipping the Holy spirit within all beings and take him to heaven
Jesus taught reincarnation. That verse is only in context to the earthly man that dies. Paul had a NDE in 2 Corinthians 12
If you want some training on reincarnation teachings of Jesus I can teach you.
Why would God send unbelievers to Hell if He is love? That's not what love is.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj?
For those who want to know the full story..........
THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts)
Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound.
There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical?
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers?
Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN."
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
@@aryanraina1076 You speak of a works-based Salvation, the Bible clearly teaches that it is not by works, it is by the grace of God, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone!
Some of my favorite cases: Howard Storm, Ian McCormack, Howard Pittman, and Daniel Ekechukwu.
Howard Storm says any good person from any religion will go to heaven. That is not Biblical.
@@inspirit5461 He said as long as you believe in Jesus, not religion.
Howard Storm says many things that directly contradict what the Bible says.
@@CandiceSumera I have been reading and studying the Bible 50 years and find nothing unbiblical to date in his testimony.
@@billfirestein4786 Hi Bill, that's interesting. Which Bible are you reading? My Bible doesn't mention aliens and doesn't suggest that we are some low level creation of God that needs to evolve. As a Bible believing Christian, I also don't think Jesus would condone participating in New Age practices such as Reiki. These are things Howard Storm has touted in his interviews.
This guy is totally wrong and it shows he has not done objective studies on NDE's
Some see life through the lens of their belief systems. If what they are looking at doesn't match up with what they have already accepted to be true, then they begin to look for ways to denounce what they are looking at. This colors their experience of life to a very great degree... so much so that they can not see life for what it is. They can not see things objectively and allow things to reveal themselves for what they really are.
Superb comment......this is one of the reason's people can not accept The Truth about 9/11 and continue to believe government lies@@thedeepermind7601
Um no they are not
The constant message is no judgement. No right and wrong
Wow - and I have to wonder who (or what) is behind fooling non-believers that after death there will be no punishment?
You are right
Not true. I’ve seen some where people go to hell, and some where the people say Jesus does indeed review their whole life and they feel great shame.
I haven't seen that "constant message" at all. There is a judgment (and people judge THEMSELVES for their ill deeds, even if they wouldn't have done so before), and they do believe that there is a right -- to love -- and a wrong -- to hate or to be apathetic to others.
It lines up with this:
Jesus answered him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind’. This is the first and great commandment. And there is a second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself’. The whole of the Law and the Prophets depends on these two commandments.”
What about NDE sin and/or karma?...........
STEPHEN T.: "I was caught in a trough under water in huge surf. There was panic, knowing I am going to drown. I realized I had to give up, I could not hold breath any longer. Sudden calmness and resignation; lost track of body. Clear and graphic life review, as if events were cataloged. Sudden transformation into a realm of timeless absolute beauty, absolute love, and absolute infinity. The radiance was literally unbearable. THERE WAS ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS, NON-JUDGEMENT, non-duality, timeless, NO BLAME OR RETRIBUTION, NO SIN, NO KARMA."
What about sin?....J. SMITH: "I was totally aware. I was in blackness. I couldn’t see anything. I was thinking to myself, 'This isn’t the way it is supposed to be. I’m not supposed to know anything and I do. What on Earth has happened?' At that point I felt something leave my body. It was a whoosh. It went up through the top of my head. I could feel it and I could hear it. Just a gentle whoosh. At that point I found myself standing in a kind of gray mist. Then I knew I had died. This love said to me, 'YOU ARE MY BELOVED SOUL, I LOVE YOU WITHOUT CONDITIONS'. When I said to him, 'I know what’s going on. I know that I have died,' he said, 'Yes, that’s true, but you are not going to be staying here. It isn’t time for you to be here yet.' I said to him again, 'Everything since I passed over is so beautiful. Everything is so perfect. WHAT ABOUT MY SINS?' I ALWAYS FELT LIKE YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THEM. HE SAID, 'THERE ARE NO SINS, not the way you think of them on Earth. The only thing that has any meaning here is what you think.' Then he asked me a question. 'What is in your heart?' Then in some incredible way that I don’t understand at all, I was able to look deeply inside myself, really into the very core of me to my essence. I saw that what was there was love, nothing else. MY CORE WAS PERFECT LOVE, LOVING PERFECTION. I had complete love and acceptance for everything. I simply was perfect and loving. NOW THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO JUST ME. IT APPLIES TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE. THAT IS OUR CORE. This love, this perfection, this God-ness."
Jesus again....L. HERNANDEZ: "I've been an atheist all my life. I had an NDE and in a few minutes my life changed completely. Part of my experience was with the one people call Jesus. Religion is not from God, I asked and was told this. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO JUDGEMENT IN OUR CREATOR because only love, he is. HELL IS MAN'S CREATION, SO IS SIN. It's all controlled by fear.
ANITA MOORJANI: "I UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY THAT THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT on the other side, THERE IS NO MORAL HAMMER THAT IS DROPPED; I saw clearly that this is a human device used by other humans to make us fall in line with the moral majority. KARMA WILL NOT BE WAITING FOR US, TO 'GET US BACK' FOR WHATEVER WE DID."
What sin?....PATSY D.: "I was born in Kansas in the heart of the Bible belt. I was raised a devout Christian. I had been baptized by the age of twelve, and taught the words of God; all the concepts of heaven and hell, as taught in the Bible, all of which I accepted and certainly believed. I was very religious. Suddenly I was floating above my body, which was lying in the carport. I had no sense of movement and I was not afraid. I was fully conscious. As they placed my body in the ambulance, I floated along with it. He put an oxygen mask over my body's mouth and applied electric shocks to the chest three times, each time taking a pulse. Halfway to the hospital, he stopped and told the driver to turn off the siren. I was dead. I turned around and was immersed in light. I WAS SURROUNDED BY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AND TOTAL ACCEPTANCE. A completeness, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and absolute safety. I knew I was complete at last. NEVER HAD I FELT SUCH SAFETY AND SERENITY BEFORE. Suddenly, I had all knowledge. All that I had ever heard or known was swept away. I KNEW THAT THERE IS NO SIN. I knew that I had existed since the moment of creation, that I shall always exist, and that all consciousness is in the act of becoming. I GAINED THE KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR OWN TIME, AND CREATE THE METHOD OF THEIR DEMISE. I floated over to my body and sank down into it. My body began to shake and the sheet fell to the floor. The nurse screamed. The doctor ran to the table. I sat up, trying to get off the table. The nurse did not want to approach the table again. Everyone in the room were frozen in place. As if their brains could not process what their eyes were observing. He told me that I had been officially dead for one hour. I went to church the next Sunday and couldn't even sit through the service. I WANTED TO STAND UP AND TELL EVERYONE THAT THIS WAS WRONG AND HOW WONDERFUL THEY WERE."
Death knows no religion or faiths.
Is reincarnation consistent with the bible ? I ask because many NDE’ers believe in reincarnation. These are beliefs they did not have prior to their experience. Some of them were even raised in a Christian household . How do you account for their beliefs? Either the bible has left reincarnation out or these people are worshipping a different god . Which one is it ?
Agree. Where is the video poster? Please respond to address this valid question
Everyone including their neighbors are having NDE's, it makes me wonder if it all real or not, and if real why this knowledge of life after life is suppressed, like if it's all real then explaining as it really is. It's not rocket science.
Thank you!... I’ve seen hundreds and hundreds of these NDE vids... almost daily... all diff stories. It’s crazy. At least I’m not alone seeing this all and really scratching my head. Ty
@@Yet333 Any videos that explain the different places people go?
I mean this, that I’ve heard of the tunnel of light, I’ve heard of light, of balls of light, of spinning light, of telepathic light that offered sensations, of dark rooms, of tunnels leading into complete darkness, of places that sound like what you or I would consider “hell”, of being above one’s body, etc etc and I’m trying to find videos that catalogue these spaces.
Know any good videos?
We can't handle the Truth.
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj?
For those who want to know the full story..........
THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts)
Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound.
There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical?
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers?
Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN."
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
There are different near death experiences. As a christian believer I think that it is not fully certain that a majority of them are 100% consistent with a christian faith. (I am myself active in different christian denominations - mostly Church of Sweden (Lutheran) and The Catholic Church. (I choose after the individual preacher sundays, not denominations-so I´m a little of "protestant-catholic-orthodox 🙂 being for the unity among all christians with classic christian beliefs.) I saw a video recently where the tehologian/apologist Dave Hunt had perceived it, after looking at maybe a 1000 NDE:s, as that there seamed to be an element of th 4 lies of Eden in many of them. I´m afraid that there even may be to some extent a deceptive demonic element in some of the NDE-cases, or at least that it is not given that they all will give a correct picture of what is happening after death.That´s my take on it at this very moment.
Call it what you want, but the Lord will show to whom he wants the light of heaven, and all you have to do is ask for the blood of Jesus…the book of kreep🍃
And that was written 2,000 years ago.
Not necessarily. There's a very wide variety of messages coming from Entities like Jesus in which some messages are consistent with the Bible, but others not. Certainly the NDE's in which people are seen preparing for their next incarnation are opposed to Biblical teachings, since according to the Bible, we only live once. It's obvious that reincarnation is the true situation.
I suspect it is ,but is it a good thing ,I don’t think so . Would any Christian here want to worship “The God Of Reincarnation “ ?
I don't know if all nde are theologically sound. Shaman Oaks channel had interviewed a man who described dwarfish alien-looking beings that followed God with his nde experience. Not very biblical.
As believers we need to test every spirit.
No different than John explaining in Revelations about seeing a beast with ten horns rising out of the ocean with a woman sitting on its back.
@@trutrek913 I actually see no similarity at all. The visions contained in Revelation are spiritual metaphors; they have a deep theological meaning, which is why they are encased, as it were, in apocalyptic language. Apocalyptic language is itself a form of lyrical speech that conveys meaning through symbolic images, whose significance comes from God's prophecies to the people of Israel throughout all of Jewish history. Some wacko's shallow hallucination of weird alien things has nothing at all to do with that.
@@SomeRandomNerdYo Ezekiel had a vision that is either metaphor or some hallucination, each being having four faces and four wings sounds like weird alien things. Since we are trying to learn what forgotten metaphors used to mean from thousands of years ago, probably should just ignore them and focus on what can be understood otherwise you would have to believe some crackpot's idea of what they are with no assurance that it is accurate.
Jesus said that you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Jesus did not tell the whole truth 2000 years ago. Jesus also said you are gods. Jesus said do not listen to men.
We have examine the NDEs of other religions
I was afraid this was going to be like ... hey we did not authorize God to be doing NDE's ... LOL
Gettin the Funk out osv. Love from Norway......
Whose theology? ...Protestant hold that when you die your body goes to grave and you into unconscious till the day of judgment, day of resurrection... Catholics say different thing... after you die you are soon judged and go to beyond point of return: Hell or Heaven or Purgatory... and on the last judgement you are reunited with your resurrected body and you and all will see the consequences of your unrepentant sins and good deeds on the whole humanity and then back to Hell or Heaven...
These experiences where people claim to have gone to Heaven, Hell, or Heaven and Hell are not based of fact.
Humans do NOT have a spiritual body but have a natural body,are flesh and blood and cannot enter a spiritual place such as Heaven or Hell as they are not Spiritual beings.They are terrestrial beings. it is after the first resurrection that those who are saved will have their bodies changed and be immortal 1st Corinthians 15:40. 42, 44 and 53 & 54 and be as the Angels of God in Heaven Matthew 22:30.
the unsaved at the second resurrection will be judged and undergo a second death according to Revelation 21:8
Verses from the Hebrew-Greek Study Bible King James Version Red Letter Edition Publisher AMG PUBLISHING
Whereas Angels are Celestial beings and have a Spiritual body and can reside in Heaven or Hell.1st Corinthians 15:40
As well when one says that Hell is eternal this is not true for Hell is to done away with according to Revelation 20:14.
The saved do not go to Heaven and the unsaved are NOT being tormented in Hell and the Spirit/Soul does not leave the body during a supposed Heaven/Hell experience after death as humans do NOT have a Spiritual body and or have the capacity to do this.
in Ecclesiastes 9:5 The dead know nothing.
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Christian's have a new spirit. We are spirit, soul and body. From a carnal point of view, some people believe more in body and soul. When we accept Jesus and walk in His ways, we are a new creation,
in Christ, seated in heavenly places. If you don't believe that, then cross it out of your Bible.
We are Body, Soul and Spirit.
You don't have all the answers, none of us do. How do you explain this scripture for example?:
◄ Luke 23:43 ►
New International Version
"Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, TODAY you will be with me in paradise.”
Just be humble.
@@cylonsteve2511also when paul said to be absent in the body is to be present in the lord
Hi my friend it is in The Bible it Tells you about Near death Experiences And death bed visions It is all in there
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj?
For those who want to know the full story..........
THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts)
Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound.
There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical?
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers?
Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN."
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
, You can see the flowers you can see the people you could see dear people you could see the sky why because you are spirit not the body
Nintendo characters? Santa Clause? Yamatoots? Yamraj?
For those who want to know the full story..........
THE NDE STUDIES.....(Los Angeles Times excerpts)
Researchers estimate that around 17% of people have an NDE. That means about 80% don't.
Scratch beneath those alleged flat EKG lines and the stories are a veritable Twilight Zone of inconsistencies. Some near-death voyagers claim to have met God - BUT A FEW SAW ELVIS PRESLEY OR GROUCHO MARX, researchers say. Others get to heaven not through the famous "tunnel", but ABOARD GHOSTLY TAXI CABS, FERRIES THAT CROSS THE RIVER STYX, OR SPANGLED COWS.
Even some children - often touted as the best source of unbiased information - sometimes return from "death" CLAIMING THEY WERE GREETED IN THE OTHER WORLD by STILL LIVING TEACHERS and NINTENDO CHARACTERS.
HINDUS WHO BELIEVE IN YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of death, EXPERIENCED MEETING HIM. A Hindu girl "died" AND WENT TO HEAVEN ON A COW. Would that mean western people will be riding cows to heaven? Jews who don't believe in Jesus or "hell", experienced meeting God as described in the Old Testament, while messianic Jews experienced God as Jesus. Any reports of Christians meeting Muhammad, or Muslims meeting Jesus or the Virgin Mary, or Jews meeting Guru Nanak, if they exist, have not been publicized.
Dr. Richard Eby had an NDE and allegedly Jesus told him he had to back, and that he (Jesus) would be returning (2nd coming) before he died permanently. BUT DR. RICHARD EBY HAS NOW DIED AND JESUS HAS NOT RETURNED.
A few hospitals have placed signs in their cardiac units - with nonsensical messages visible only from above - BUT SO FAR NOBODY HAS RETURNED FROM DEATH CLAIMING TO HAVE FLOATED UP AND SEEN ONE.
In one study carried out, the experiences of 16 Asian Indians were compared with those of Americans, and IT WAS FOUND THAT THE INDIANS HAD ENCOUNTERED YAMRAJ, the Hindu god of the dead, WHILE THE AMERICANS HAD NOT.
You would expect that if any one particular religious account of the afterlife was true, NDEs would be pretty much the same. BUT THESE ACCOUNTS ARE SO VARIED AND ARE ARE ALL BASED ON CULTURAL EXPOSURE. IN INDIA, PEOPLE SEE HINDU GODS; IN SAUDI ARABIA ITS ALLAH, MOHAMED, AND A BUNCH OF VIRGINS. The kid from the book/movie Heaven Is For Real, saw a Jesus with sea-green blue eyes ON A RAINBOW COLORED HORSE, GOD WITH HUGE WINGS, YELLOW HAIR AND BLUE EYES; and ONE LITTLE GIRL WENT TO HEAVEN AND WAS GREETED BY A PORTLY MAN WITH A WHITE BEARD AND RED CAP, aka SANTA CLAUSE.
The Mapuche people of South America and residents of Hawaii are more likely to SEE LANDSCAPES AND VOLCANOES, whereas NDEs in Thailand rarely involve landmarks, tunnels, or light. For Tibetans, light features more heavily AS DO ILLUSIONS OF REINCARNATION. Europeans and North Americans often visualize beautiful gardens; intriguingly the Kalai of Melanesia are more inclined to SEE AN INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD OF FACTORIES. An NDEr's subjective recollections can be attributed to many factors: THE NDEr's PSYCHOLOGY, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND, ETC., NOT JUST CULTURE.
The terrain of Heaven also varies wildly - from gardens, forests, and CATTLE FILLED PASTURES in some accounts, to clouds, COMPUTER ROOMS OR CASTLES, in others. A TEXAN SAW BARBED WIRE FENCES IN THE AFTERLIFE. Micronesians describe LARGE NOISY CITIES WITH CARS AND SKYSCRAPERS.
Drug addicts, felons (murder), suicides, hedonists, abusers, mean people, and gay people have all claimed to encounter heaven. Strangely, people have claimed to enter some "hell" FOR THE SAME REASONS. AND THE INFAMOUS ADOLF HITLER HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN HEAVEN. Again, strangely, he's also been seen in some "hell". Contradictions abound.
There are reports of bad NDE trips involving TORTURES BY ELVES, GIANTS, MONSTERS, etc. Some parapsychologists take these as evidence of the mythical places of various religions. But, IF SO, THEN WHAT IS ONE TO CONCLUDE FROM THE FACT THAT OVER 80% OF PEOPLE NEAR DEATH DO NOT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING, neither the heavenly or the diabolical?
This is a wonder. Is the hereafter actually mining and refining raw materials needed to build castles, cars, barbed wire fences, computers, and skyscrapers? From where do they get this material and tools? Not to mention the raw materials and tools needed to construct an ever increasing number of those cages and cubes in the Christian hell, as a few claim. Who builds those cages? And which of the variety of "hells" do you actually go to? Christian? Buddhist? Spiritualist? Hindu? Muslim? Some other one? The answer seems to be whichever one the experience has been exposed to, as Thai NDErs regularly claim to encounter LORD YAMA AND YAMATOOTS, COMPLETE WITH TALKING DECEASED ROOSTERS, and being sentenced to Buddhist "hell" for butchering and eating chicken, then reincarnated as birds. DOES THAT MEAN WESTERNERS WILL UNKNOWINGLY BE HEADING TO BUDDHIST "HELL" FOR EATING CHICKEN? Thai accounts state that butchers become lumps of meat in Buddhist "hell", so what then awaits Western slaughterhouse workers?
Even in her rather homogeneous Western European clientele, Kubler-Ross could see the effects of early enculturation: " I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A PROTESTANT CHILD WHO SAW THE VIRGIN MARY IN HIS LAST MINUTES, YET SHE WAS PERCEIVED BY MANY CATHOLIC CHILDREN."
But there also are some hard-to-explain differences, Melvin Morse says. Whereas American near-death survivors are typically sent back by God because “it’s not your time yet,” INDIA'S AFTERLIFE VISITORS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE TOLD THERE WAS A “CLERICAL ERROR.”
Even more curious: SOMETIMES THE BEING OF LIGHT IS ELVIS PRESLEY. Moody has chronicled at least two such sightings.
A PERSON MAY APPEAR DEAD TO OUR SENSES OR OUR SCIENTIFIC EQUIPMENT, BUT STILL BE PERCEIVING. In fact, we now have evidence that patients who appear brain dead, may in fact be capable of conscious thought. In 2006, scientists in the UK and Belgium did an fMRI on a woman in a vegetative state and FOUND THAT PARTS OF HER BRAIN SHOWED ACTIVITY WHEN SHE WAS SPOKEN TO, AND ASKED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE PLAYING TENNIS.
Yet the evidence for near-death paranormal powers remains shaky at best. TWO STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT PATIENTS’ “OUT OF BODY” ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OPERATING ROOM WERE WRONG. So were the 1988 Armageddon forecasts hyped by Ring and others.
Michael Sabom, however, offers a compromise stance: He rejects the idea that they provide glimpses of a heaven or hell. "I’m not saying these people didn’t experience something odd. But I am saying that we should take it with a grain of salt, because IF ANECDOTES MEET YOUR STANDARD FOR WHAT QUALIFIES AS EVIDENCE, then you should probably start buying tin foil and food buckets, because THERE ARE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE WHO REPORT SEEING REPTILIANS AND WHO HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS."
But what about veridical NDEs - near-death experiences in which the person supposedly sees something they couldn’t otherwise have known while ‘flat-lining’ and others are able to verify that what they saw is indeed correct. The most notorious example of this is Maria’s shoe. A lady named Maria reportedly left her body, floated around and saw a shoe on a ledge outside her hospital window, that she ‘couldn’t have possibly seen.’ Her critical care provider, Kimberly Clark, looked outside and saw the shoe, just as described. BUT WHEN RESEARCHERS TRIED TO TRACK DOWN MARIA TO CONFIRM CLARK'S STORY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ANY SUCH PERSON OR ANYONE ELSE TO CORROBORATE THE ACCOUNT. And when they placed a shoe on the ledge, it was clearly visible from the hospital room, PROVING CLARK HAD EXAGGERATED AT LEAST PART OF THE STORY. Here’s the topper. There is no record of Maria being in that hospital.
There is Dr. Melvin Morse's discovery of "a portal" in the brain that when stimulated, triggers a NDE. He writes that some are threatened by this, as the discovery makes the experience seem unreal.
Sixty years ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, a neurosurgeon, poked around the right temporal lobe of some epileptic patients and discovered that they would hear heavenly music, relive their pasts in 3D, and have out-of-body visions. Similar experiments continue.
There’s growing evidence that the temporal lobe plays a huge role in creating NDEs. When patients had their brains scanned after an NDE, it was discovered that they had increased levels of temporal lobe activity compared with those in a control group. THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE NDEs. When Dr. Olaf Blanke implanted electrodes into the brains of patients, HE WAS ABLE TO TRIGGER SUPERNATURAL AND OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES BY STIMULATING THE TEMPORAL PARIETAL JUNCTION.
If we go to hell or heaven at death... What is the return of Christ where he wakes those in the memorial tombs and at sea?
Are they in heaven and have to come back down into a body to rise again?
Various traditions maintain that there is an intermediate state which isn't actually heaven or hell per se. And the resurrection is in the body not spiritual as far as I can tell.
The real question is how many angles can dance on the head of a pin.