NCA vs LLM (Common Law) - PART 1 - Foreign-trained Lawyers in Canada
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- If you a foreign-trained lawyer wishing to move to Canada and re-qualify as a lawyer in Canada but are confused whether to take NCA exams or pursue LLMCL please watch this video and I hope this will help you decide which path to take! Also as mentioned in the video, here are the links for some of the popular LLMCL programs in Canada -
UBC
www.grad.ubc.ca/prospective-s...
Osgoode Law
www.osgoodepd.ca/graduate-pro...
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me on LinkedIn -
/ surabhi-pathak
University of Alberta
www.ualberta.ca/law/programs/...
University of Toronto
www.law.utoronto.ca/nca
Ma'am how is the job market after completing LLM from UBC?
Well, the straight answer is that it’s tough and the recruitment process here is very different from India. For instance, there is no placement/campus selection system, there are university resources to guide you but you have to find your own job!!
Also it depends on what LLM you are going for, the legal sector is very regulated here so there are certain stages you need to get through for example if you are going for LLM Common Law you need to find and complete articling and licensing program in that province first before you can start working as a lawyer.
The market is tough and now because of COVID things are a bit more difficult than usual but everyone gets a job, it’s only a matter of time!
For articling, students send out about 100 to 300 applications on an average, that is what I was told, I personally sent around 160 applications (for posted and non- posted positions) all over Canada and that’s very common here!
And there are many other factors like what kind of a job you are looking for, what’s your immigration status, what’s your status in the licensing process etc.
Like I said we all get there, but it’s a matter of time, some people get a job right after graduation some have to wait for months!
Your video is very helpful! Thanks for your time and effort!
Thanks you so much for these informations. I'm from Brazil and moving to Canada. I'll follow your instructions for the next years. Really helpful and informative. Pure gratitude for your video.
Thank you so much for this video!
Your videos are of immense help. Making my dream to practice law in Canada turn easier.
Thank you! :)
@@mshappyfeet7168 Ma'am which LLM specialization is good taxation or corporate law for getting job easily in Canada
Thank you so much 😊 it’s so helpful
Your videos are really helpful 😄
thank you so muchh for this video
Thanks for the video, it was really helpful! I am looking to go through the process myself! Wondering if you think its a good idea to mention in the personal statement that you are looking to move to Canada? Would this be bad? Thanks for your help!
Please make a video on SOP and university expectations from a student or from SOP especially with respect to LLMCL from UBC.
Hi Shilpa, I posted a video on SOPs following your suggestion, so thank you! and I really hope it will give you the answers you are looking for.
Hello Mam,
If we come from india as PR. Which steps or exams would we have to take before we can start practicing as a lawyer in canada? I have mostly done my practice in tax sector. Could you please guide in this regard. I am not inclined towards doing the masters program. Steps which i can take to start practising law in canada.
Can you please tell total cost involved in UBC LLM in common law 1 year
this was informative..
Can you please enlighten me whether a Law graduate from Delhi University is eligible to do LLM at the age of 60? What are the job prospects for such person after completion of LLM from Canada?
Hello
I hope you get this message in best of your health.
I am a law student in India and intend to move to canada.
I have few questions, I really hope you manage some time out your busy schedule to answer my questions.
1. The law that we study in India, is it upto some extent similar to law of Canada?
2. Do Canadians or Canadian Law firms prefer foreign trained lawyers?
3. In terms of knowledge does Ryerson’s LPP help you stand equivalent to a Canadian law graduate?
4. Being an outsider in a new country, on a scale of 1 to 10 how hard it is to get clients?
5. Does Ryerson’s LPP acquaint you with clerical process of courts?
I will be very grateful to you. I have been looking for all these answers for a very long time.
I really hope to hear from you.
this video is extremely helpful being a final year law student in india i wanted to practise law in canada thanks alot for the information mam
Did you migrated bro?
Maam the concepts that i study in indian law is it ever going to help me in canada?
I understand the laws are very different in India and Canada but is there any similarity between general principles or jurisprudence or offences as given in Indian criminal law?
Hi dear , your video is very helpful but I need some more info , I did tried one of NCA exam it was hell difficult now I am thinking to get admission in U of Alberta but I am confused should I go for LLm or NCA program from Uof Alberta
Hi, so I have a question. If I don't pursue LLM and give the NCA exams instead, would have affect the process of giving the licensing exams in Canada. Like, does LLM prepare you for the licensing tests. And if I'm only giving NCA's how difficult would it be to clear the licensing exams without any Canadian law education.
Can uh please temme,
If i have cleared my Nca exam under which visa will i come to any canada for bar enrolment/exam
So helpful! Great video
If I do llm from Canada then also I have to do nca
Great infor
Hi mam ... i have completed my llb from gndu and now i decide to settle in canada what is process to take admission in LLM and after that what is the chances in job field
I'm a qualified lawyer outside of Canada and haven't had any education about Canadian laws. Do you think it's possible for me to study the NCA Exams on my own (with online courses of course)? Thanks a lot for the informative video!
Hello Surabhi,
Hope you are doing well.
Firstly thank you for putting up your experience and related process on UA-cam. I am following you since last one year and all your videos are really helpful for me.
After watching your videos, I decided to write the NCA exams and by the grace of God, this month I've cleared all my NCA exams.
Now as my next step and as a foreign (Indian) lawyer I am planning to enroll myself for LPP program. But before proceeding further, I've certain queries and it will be really great if you kindly look into them.
(a) Will getting the certification of qualification from NCA help me to get more points in Express Entry in Canada?
(specifically under 7 CRS pointer)
(b) Completing LPP from Ryerson college help me to get some extra points under 4b CRS pointer?
Should I hold a bar license in india before applying for NCA?
Hello, after completing my LL.B. from Bangladesh, I’m planning to pursue LL.M.(Environmental Law) in Canada. I wanted to know after specializing in environmental law, will I get Jobs in this sector? I don’t want to practice as a lawyer but to work in NGOs. Could you please help me by providing me the information? TIA
Hi how many exam NCA centers in India
We cant give nca exams from the home country?
Can’t do llm cl but llm at ubc is bit cheaper. I have a doubt do indian students need to score in LSAT to get into ubc or any other university?
Any changes in any pattern after 2 years or update ?
I have got specific questions related to admission in the law school you did your LLM CL from i.e, Peter A. Allard school of law. Is there any way i could contact you? i dont mind paying as well, it would be a great help.
Ps: i tried reaching out to you on linked in but couldn’t get through.
Thanks and regards,
Krish Parashar
Hi mam iam completed my normal degree mam what can I do for lawyer mam
I have completed my b com llb from nirma university. Glad to know that u r from the same alma matter . How do i get admission to llm cl program
Help full video sister
Hello
I am from Bangladesh
I have completed my LLB from University of London
Now i wish to persue my Law carrer in Canada
And want to settle down there
Can you help me out with information of it
And what steps should be taken
Hi, Thanks for this video, do I have any chance of getting admission in LL.M anywhere in Canada with 50% in B.A LL.B?? Thanks
I m law student .. can you take me to Canada?
Heya!
I just completed my 12th and now I want to do BBA LLB and then want to apply for NCA
Is it necessary to complete graduation from NLU's?
Hi Palak. It doesn't matter from where you complete your LLB as long as it is a UGC recognized university!
Hi, I’m currently going to the UK for my LLB it’s 2 years full time, when I come back to Ontario I am allowed to consider doing the LLM instead of the NCA? I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly.
That is correct! I had many people in my class who attended law school in the UK!
Hey, I am really confused in choosing a good university or college in Canada for my LLM , can you suggest something because when I see these high profile universities like UBC , university of Toronto etc they are too expensive and not everyone can afford it or have a full time scholarship.. so it's a humble request to either make a vedio on it or suggest some affordable university as I m really confused by Google 😭
Hello, Surbhi. Even I am in this baffled situation, currently. If you've any info regarding this and some suggestions for the same, kindly help me as well. Thank you!
LLM common is only offered by a handful universities but there are many other good law school that offer other LLM programs, you will need to check out what specializations they offer but a few good names I can think of are Osgoode law, university of Ottawa, university of western Ontario, Windsor university, Queens, Thompson Rivers university in BC, Dalhousie University’s law school in Nova Scotia, university of Alberta! Mostly research based LLM are a lot cheaper then the course based LLMs, if that is something that interests you!
I just wanted to know whether i can get admission in any llm program if i have completed my in 2012 ??
I am afraid you will have to check that directly with the university/law school you are applying to, to the best of my knowledge gap years do not affect your eligibility to pursue a masters degree but I am not a 100% sure, for diplomas most college do not accept more then 5 yrs of gap but for degree that shouldn’t be a case! But again it’s best to directly write to the law school you are applying to!
Hi Surbhi. Thanks for all the information, you really are a life saver. I just wanted to know how good a chance a person would stand had he taken up only NCA in order to practice in Canada? Or is Masters absolutely necessary in order to secure a job as a lawyer?
A masters degree in not a necessity to practice law though some sort of Canadian education will add a lot of value to your profile. You can skip the LLM part but I would highly recommend finding an Articling position which is basically a few months of paid internship or go for an LPP training but those will really help you gain work experience in Canada before you start applying for jobs as a lawyer. Practice here is very different so going through the training makes your chances of getting a job a lot better!!
@@mshappyfeet7168 Thanks a ton. I was kind of thinking along those lines as well. I could benefit from an LLM and have a first hand experience about the know hows of things around and such. So if I were to choose an LLM , I don't suppose I have to give NCA separately now do I? Your insight is helping me a great deal. thanks once again :)
MsHappyFeet hey there! Thanks for this informative video .. I just wanted to clarify if I give NCA exams directly without getting an LLM from Canada then can I get a job in Articling ?
@@SuperRiya16 hey! Once you complete all your NCAs and obtain your NCA certificate of qualification you become eligible for Articling!
@@SuperRiya16 LLM is not required!
hey! in your video you said that you took admission in masters of law and thats how you completed your nca programme.. can you explain bit more about this?
I studied LLM Common Law, these are specialized programs designed for foreign trained lawyers. I obtained my NCA assessment and then opted for the NCA courses as part of my LLM. I had to complete 5 mandatory courses for NCA which were a total of 16 credits I believe and then my law school had another mandatory research course of 5 credits for NCA Candidates. This was a total of 21 credits and I needed 30 credits to complete the LLM so I took other courses to complete the remaining 9 credits for the LLM.
Once I completed my LLMCL degree I provided NCA with my final transcript and a letter from the University confirming that I have completed the LLM and all NCA courses and the NCA then issued my Certificate of Qualification.
I can apply for NCA only after completing LL.B in India or while pursuing LL.B as well?
Only after you complete your LLB and are enrolled with a Bar council. For NCA assessment you need to be a lawyer of good standing in your jurisdiction and will have to provide a letter to NCA from the Bar Council.
Compare to JD and LLMcl, which one gives better footing in the career? And if NCA is required for a foreign law graduate even after doing JD?
NCA is not required after JD, NCA process is only for people who have completed their JD or LLB outside of Canada.
JD of course will give you a better footing as compared to LLMCL, because JD offers more exposure in terms of education and training, you will be studying a wider range of courses, will have 2 summer training opportunities and then Articling, whereas, LLMCL is only 1 year of studying, your course options will be limited as compared to JD and you will have to look for Articling straight away, without any summer training experience or if you wait for the summer training then there might be a gap of few months in between! You need to weigh both options together, in terms of duration, cost, admission process etc. and see what works best for you. Also for JD in Canada, you will have to crack LSAT and you will also need an undergraduate degree.
Hello, I have a question, I hope you could answer. When you have to have te exams, do you have to take them all at once or can do it one by one?
Hi, you can take the NCA exams one at a time, unless the rules have changed, I believe you have 5 years to complete all NCA exams!
Congrats
can i able to do LLM after paralegal grauate certificate from humber?
If you have a law degree (LLB or JD) from an accredited law school, you would be eligible to pursue LLM!
Hi , your vlog is quite helpful. Can you plz guide me on the point that being a lawyer outside Canada whether ECA would be done through NCA or other ECA bodies like Wes or etc. Plz reply
Hi, thanks! NCA will only assess your law degree to determine what law courses you need to take in Canada. The ECA for immigration purposes will have to be done through WES and other similar institutions!
It's really really very nice the way you guide .I am really highly obliged .lots of prayers for your good happy life .Always stay blessed.
Plz can you guide me further . I have been working as public prosecutor for 10 years as a state lawyer on criminal side . What s my prospect of immigration as well as of profession in Canada. my wife is also a pharmacist.plz guide .
Regards
Can u tell me the step wise process to practice in canada
Hi Aparna, it’s a long and complex process to explain in a message, please check out my first video on introduction to the NCA process, if you have any questions after that please reach out!
Can I practice directly r I have yo study again in canada r I have yo clear some law exams?
You will have to re-qualify as a lawyer here which means taking at 5 NCA exams and then bar exams and experiential training, unless you have practice experience in another common law jurisdiction and want to waive the experiential training. The whole process usually takes about 2 years minimum!
Please tell wheather LLM at any above provide exemtion for NCA EXAMS
UMESH TULI Yes! If you are studying LLM Common Law you can opt for all your NCA subjects and once you pass all those courses as part of your LLMCL degree you don’t have to write NCA exams separately! Not all LLM programs have this option, only LLM Common Law programs.
Please tell one more thing. after 1 year Llm if I do LPP - WHICH GIVES EXEMPTION FOR ARTICLING PROGRAM . CAN I GET 3 year open work permit as it is for 2 year study
Hi I'm an advocate in India. I have a question Can you work in a law firm or do your articling while your LLM (common law) course is going on!! Or like do you have to finish the course then start!
You have to finish your LLMCL before you become eligible for Articling. You can only start your articling after completing all your NCA courses.
@@mshappyfeet7168 thank you!! Your video really helped clear a lot of things!! Also if I want to work as a corporate lawyer non litigation, do I need to still give the bar exam!?
Thanks! Yes, no matter where and in what position you are working, if you want to work as a lawyer be it in-house, corporate, legal aid, you need to clear the NCAs and the Bar exams/ lawyer licensing process.
Thank you so much for the clarification!! ❤️
Hi, I have planned to do my LLM in canada and I can't choose what is better the thesis based programmes or course based programmes?I have planned to apply to the university of Manitoba.plese advice😊😊
Hi did you apply for llm from sri lanka
It is really up to what is your goal and what specialization you are looking for, LLM common law is only course based. The quality of research expected from you here, is pretty good! thesis based courses are usually longer than 1 year so helps with longer work permit!
Ma’am did you find LLM CL useful was it worth every penny spent beacuse even I am thinking to apply for masters in common law as to cut off the time which is required giving NCA exams
Hi Aditi,
Yes, personally speaking, it proved to be very useful for me. It provides you with a wholesome experience and that is what you are paying for! If you pick your courses carefully and utilize all the law school resources, it is totally worth investing all that money!!
@@mshappyfeet7168 thank you will certainly take all tips into consideration
Hi! Do you know if after the completion of the LLM program provides a Pgwp?
Yes, if you are pursuing LLM from a designated learning institution you will be eligible for PGWP, the duration of work permit would depend on the length of your LLM program and other case to case factors!
@@mshappyfeet7168 do you recommend anyone?
But according to official ubc website llm cost for international students👩🎓 is 10000 cad for a year
Depends on which LLM program you are looking for, the fee differs with specialization. I am talking about the fee for LLM common law in the video. Look for the fee per credit, current amount per credit that the website shows is $1,199.45, for international students, and to complete the LLMCL program you will need 30 credits, so whatever is the fees per credit, multiply it by 30 and that would be your tuition fees.. effective May 2021 the LLMCL fees for international students is $35,983.50.
Can you please tell will they accept student 60 percent marks with 1 year exp in legal field india ?
It’s hard to say anything for sure, they might! Usually most good universities ask for at least 70% marks but if you have other things to supplement your grades like community involvement, work experience, internships, moot courts etc. Anything that can upgrade your profile overall might help!!
I would say there is no harm in depending on what else you have to offer, in addition to your grades. If you don’t wanna spend $100-150 without being sure that you stand a chance, best thing to do is writing to the law school. Explain to them what your background is, what program you are interested in applying for, and your grades and other achievements. And simply ask whether it is worth applying! If they have a strict % requirement, they will let you know!
@@mshappyfeet7168 thanks a ton
So di, Even i want to study LLM in Canada but do i need to show them my class 11th and 12th result or my final year LLB result ?. Help me with this please and also maybe can you make a video on how to apply for Canadian Universities ?. Thanks in advance di.😁
You will only have to show your grades for your LLB degree if it is a 5 year program, if you have an undergraduate degree and a 3 yr LLB then you will have to provide transcripts for both degrees, and for all terms, not just final year. Most law schools in India provide a final transcript for all semesters, if you have that then you just need to submit that final transcript with marks from all semesters.
@@mshappyfeet7168 Hi, Thanks for this video, do I have any chance of getting admission in LL.M anywhere in Canada with 50% in B.A LL.B?? Thanks
Look please tell me it's a big doubt for me if I'm doing llm in canada then I've no need to give NCA right ?
You don’t need to take NCA exams only if you are studying LLM common law and opting for all of your NCA course as part of your LLM curriculum. Unless you compete your NCA courses as part of your LLM Common Degree, you will need to take those exams. Also, so far only the LLM common law programs offer this option if completing your NCAs, if you pursue some other LLM then you will need to complete NCA exams separately!
@@mshappyfeet7168 can you please guide me on if i want to do masters in corporate law then which degree they give for this and some best colleges for it ?
@@lishachauhan3015 did you got your answer mam ? Please guide me
Hey, I want to pursue LLM in Canada in UBC only and when I visited their website they showed the fees for LLM $18000 but as you said $30000. So I am bit worried about it, can you tell the fee for LLM CL in UBCC
IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL SURABHI❤️ AS MY NAME IS ALSO SURBHI😅
I HOPE YOU WILL REPLY
THANK YOU
The fees for LLM thesis based programs is generally lower, maybe that is what you saw. In my video, I was talking about the fees for LLM Common Law program that’s $1000+ per credit and you have to complete 30 credits minimum to complete the LLMCL!
@@mshappyfeet7168 thank you so much ☺️
@@mshappyfeet7168 would you also please tell your experience in UBC?
@@CANADIANBANIYA It was amazing! Wouldn’t change anything if I could go back!! The campus life, quality of education,as school resources, everything was worth it!!
@@mshappyfeet7168 thank you for this❤️ your content really help me but I ll recommend to make more vlogs for us it would me more helpful. Love your work ☺️
Mam please reply to my msg on linkedIn i had dropped msg there, i'm also studying law in ahmedabad
Can we do LLM directly after 12th ..as a graduation in canada?
No, you will need an LLB first
@@mshappyfeet7168 thankyou :)
instagram id plz ??
Very long video
So it becomes useless