Nick.. not a good plan! It's too easy to snap one in two. The other important thing to do is have box full of rags to catch the the broach when it falls through..they don't bounce very well and they're awfully expensive. If the broaches are dull... spend a few bucks and take them to a cutter-grinder shop and get them resharpened. If sharp, with care and heavy cutting oil, they last a long time in a job shop.
Your gage block set is indeed Russian. 'КИ' is a logo of 'Красный инструментальщик' ([Krasniy instrumentalshik] for 'Red toolmaker') factory in Russian city Kirov, the biggest Russian manufacturer of precision measuring tooling. Good find :)
@@terryisaac8195 I am the 18 wheel driver. I have seen the phenomenon of which you speak.😂 The trailer was not 11', it was 13'6".😂 My co-worker managed to get 14' of the 28' trailer under the "LOW" structure before the truck was summarily stopped the wedging effect. He opened that trailer top like a van of King Oscar sardines!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The trailer sat in our truck yard on display. Everyday the driver was reminded,by everyone of us,that we admired his handy work.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh,yes,only after his lengthy suspension could we remind him daily.😂😂😂😂😂
@J.C. Kohle see my comment below. No pop rivet gun that I know of or how much duct tape ya slapped on that baby was going to hide his handy work😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🐓💨
Hey Tony, those keyway broaches you found were made in my home town of Greenfield. I always knew of the factory but never quite knew what they made. Recently I noticed that they were closing up and dismantling the factory so great find!
Identifying most common plastics can be done through flame test - something akin to spark test done on steels. PVC burns with difficulty, extinguishes itself as soon as the testing flame is taken away (the best testing flame would be neutral propane, or MAPP burner flame - like the one you've used to make espresso). There will be (should be) some sea-greenish tint to the edges, and tad foul and strong acrid smell (akin to hydrochloride, or muriatic acid). And, do as Mr Clinton did - smoke, but don't inhale - as there might be some phosgene (carbonyl chloride, COCl2) in the combustion products. Polystyrene (nowadays seldom use on its own, as it is too brittle ans cracks easilly), or ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, modern replacement for solid polystyrene) would burn with red flame, giving a lot of soot (as all aromatic-derivatives do, something akin to acetylene flame), and will burn by itself even if you move away the burner's flame (might not, if it's got some self-extinguishing additives in itself). The smell is rather characteristic. although difficult to describe - take a piece of styrofoam, burn it, and then you'll know. Might also give a hint of burned hair smell, as ABS contains some nitrogen (but not as much as polyamides). Polyamides (like Ertalon, for example; PAs are frequently used to make casings, or housings of many modern power tools, as they are strong, durable and resistant to cracking) give very distinctive smell of burned hair of fingernails (as they are chemically very similar to proteins). The material itself tend to "bubble, chars and hardens" while being subjected to high-temperature flame. Polyethylene/ polypropylene burns with the "candle-like" flame and similar smell, no soot, they melt easily and give "flaming drops" - a droplets of burning material. Be careful, as they can give you a really nasty and painful burns. There's this often used "frisylen" stuff (surface for tables of die-cutters and such), which is just a fancy-schmancy marketing name for one type of polyethylene (AFAIR). Then there's this POM (aka polyoxymethylene, polyacetal, acetal) used, among other applications, for making v-belts wheels and small gears - more on it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene - where one can also read "POM can have undesirable characteristics when burned. The flame is not self-extinguishing, shows little to no smoke, and the blue flame can be almost invisible in ambient light. Burning also releases formaldehyde gas, which irritates nose, throat, and eye tissues". And then we've got that PMAA, aka "plexiglas", but this it typically clear, bot opaque - anyway, when strongly heated it gives away a smell reminiscent of a hyacinth flowers (or so they say...). All above-mentioned "plastics" are from thermoplastics family - and then we've got tons of various "resins" (duroplastics. like epoxy resins, polyester resins, phenol-based resins, and such), but this is quite another kettle of fish I'm not going to delve here. For more info - ask Uncle Google, he's much younger than I am (so he should know and remember better than me : )
@@stewartyates4510 No, you don't. Some people just can write (type) a decently-sized piece of text "just like that". Yes, I know - it may come as surprise to some, but then I guess it's the modern education shining through, innit?
Im addicted to this channel, your sense of humor is unbeatable, sometimes i just explode laughing , and i have to rewind the video to get what you were talking about lol. The way you make your videos makes them really entertaining that is always too short :). That chicken sound ...lol Keep'em coming Tony, top notch stuff, thank you very much.
My first job machining in 1992 was operating a horizontal mill. It was working nights pumping out hundreds of parts that paid for my college tuition. I always wondered why they were used instead of a vertical mill. Thanks for the insight. Love your vids! I now have a Tormach pcnc and love it. Keep up the great work!
The evolution of this channel is amazing. I came for hand scraping years ago and have watched it go from silent scraping to the fantastic educational and entertaining videos today. Always enjoyable, Tony. Thank you.
Hey Tony, I’m sure you’ve heard this a million times from the TOT UA-cam gang but I’m sorry for your loss and I hope you know your entire audience gives their condolences. I stumbled across this particular video (which is new to me even though I’ve been a fan for quite some time) and I have to say that if you ever get back to making videos, please consider making a TOT version of that hefty surface gauge. That surface gauge is a thing of beauty and I can only imagine what kind of improvements you would want to implement. Your tap wrench build is my favorite video of yours which explains why i would be so excited about a surface gauge build. Lol Either way, we wish you the best man.
I love videos like this. They remind me of the day I inherited most of my tooling, and the excitement of digging through it all and discovering what sort of oddball things another machinist couldn't live without.
watching shooting the poop while having a poop, I didn't realize how much I was enjoying your video until I went to get up off the toilet and I had lost feeling in my legs.
Micrometer stand are great for setting Zero on bore dial gages. Large bore diameter are a huge pain to set zero on bore gages without a mic stand.... unless This old Tony knows of a secret this veteran tool and die maker doesn’t know. P.S. love the channel, I already know most what you cover, however it’s still great fun.
I was just in my local scrap yard (junk cars and such) yesterday and was lamenting this very fact. Where are the industrial yards that have this kind of stuff?
Same here... but when I was going often, I would find some good stuff here and there. Once a big haul of 80/20 various sizes with brackets and even a few linear slides.
I absolutely love your videos - and it is obvious you have joy for making them. Both the technical part and the more humorous parts makes it a pleasure to watch.
Funny.... I have a set of three sizes of surface gages on my workbench right now and have started re-creating them in blocks of walnut. My goal is to build an up-scaled desk lamp with the surface gage as the base and arms. I was going to use a half-cylinder for the lamp shade, but perhaps an over-sized D.I. would be appropriate. Anywho...another great video!
The gage blocks are made in the USSR, the brand mark belonged to the plant "Красный Инструментальщик" or Red Toolsmith. Now it is located in the town of Kirov, Russian Federation.
This was one of the first TOT videos I ever watched and the fact I learned about a thing without anyone trying to sell me something is why I stuck around for every video since.
I'm subscribed and watch a lot of machinist videos from you, mrpete, Keith Rucker, AvE, etc. I just wanted to say you all have your own style that keeps me coming back every time I see a video posted! Keep up the great content and your humor is one of the main things that keep me coming back, you're hilarious and informative at the same time! Thanks, keep on keepin on!
your moroccan friend .... this made me laght a lot... i m moroccan and your videos are always a pleasure to watch Old Tony... keep it going TOT. greets from morocco
Neither do I... But the videos, commentary and comedy are fantastic! I find them addicting. Kung fu - post band saw cuts of chromoly - that video trickery was the gateway drug.
Love these videos, When I started out in the machine shop at college, we always cleaned slip gauges or gauge blocks before putting them back in their box to prevent rusting.
Love your vids,I especially like your sense of humor,and you explain everything, I'm 61 years old and our high school metal shop was very disappointing, we had brakes,tin welding,ark welding,and gas welding ,I don't think rig was even invented yet! I would have loved it if we had even a cheap lathe rather than no lathe at all ! But wood shop had a lathe go figure ! But you had to be a junior or senior to use the lathe ,my only exposure to the wood shop lathe was after the junior returned to the lathe from lunch,some body reversed the direction of rotation on him,and he assumed it was as he left it,(he should have checked he didnt) he turned the lathe on and grabbed his gouge to remove more material and then all hell broke loose,in a mere few seconds the bowl shattered and his gouge jumped up and struck him in his forehead right between his eyes and was embedded there,there was blood and bowl everywhere,he was taken by ambulance to the hospital, luckily he had a Neanderthal skull and the gouge did not enter the brain but was just stuck in the skull only ,and was removed easily by the Dr, after an extensive investigation it could not be determined who had reversed the lathe and or why they reversed it ,no one admitted to doing it ,and after that incident the lathe was red flagged and no one was ever going to use it again,so by the time I was a junior the lathe was sold off and I was never Abel to use any kind of lathe metal or wood ! I feel I was robbed !!! And at 61 I can't exactly go hang out at a machine shop hoping one of the machinest would see me and take me under his wing and make me an apprentice so I could have a career as a machinest , absolutely bummed out .
Those metric gauge blocks are Russian. They were made in the Kirov plant of the company Krin. Here's the Wikipedia: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BA Here's their website: krin.ru/
Tony, thanks for the video. One of the primary things I like about your videos is that even though I'm not a machinist or do any of this, I always learn something and you make it interesting. Keep up the great work.
You are awesome. My son really enjoys watching your videos and I enjoy tagging along so I understand what he is talking about. :) We both can't wait until he is old enough to have his own machine shop. He is taking automotive in high school and really enjoys that class. Someday he will be able to machine his own parts.
This channel is without doubt the ultimate in 'kid in the candy store' scenario! At least for us really old kids, any ways! An indication of great content is to grab your attention and keep it there with unbridled enthusiasm even when someone has zero experience in the black arts of machining, or even any interest in the subject. I've no machinery and have little use for the even if I had, but I find I keep coming back to this gentleman and actually walking away having learned something! Fantastic channel Tony, love your stuff!
I think the micrometer stand is a Mitutoyo. Their older stuff was often green and the shape of the knob is exactly the same as the ones on my older Mitutoyo magnetic base. Great videos -I love your sense of humour that pops up allover the place!
+1 on the horizontal milling. In trade school we had to make a small die makers vise. Everyone but me and 1 other person used the vertical mill to cut a .625 slot 1" deep. What took them hours we had finished in 20 minutes and with a much better finish!
It looks very much like an old Etalon mic stand. Some of my very old Etalon mics are painted that same shade of green. The Etalon mic frames were more squarish and fit the clamping mechanism better than do the curved Starret mics. Everything Etalon made was super high quality. I can reliably read mine to 0.000050. Worked in the optical precision engineering field for many years.
I really enjoyed this video. What I really enjoy is bouncing back and forth between more recent videos and older videos and seeing how your video making style and ability developed. Thanks, ToT!
You heat a piece of solid copper wire, and melt a little of the plastic, and then put the wire in a flame, if the flame turns green it's PVC. I think the chloride in the PVC attacks the copper so it burns, probably copperchloride.
Tony,the tool that you said was a threading tool! Here in the UK, back in the early 70s we had identical tools to the one shown,in the engineering shop I worked in. They were used as form tools for various jobs.Not threading.Some were rounded, some were flat faced, but with relief for plunging, much like a part off tool.But all they needed was a quick lick on the grinder and back in business.Until the disc came to the end of it’s life, and the disc was then replaced by a new one, and on it went.
The micrometer stand works exceptionally well when setting a dial bore gage or an indicol. Not having to hold the mic too, is a big advantage in the operation.
Love these types of videos. Also, your videos are generally so entertaining that I am now feeding links to them to my family and friends and getting positive feedback about them. Mind you, these are people who haven't the slightest inclination for mechanical engineering or even home shop activities. You are the man Tony.
+EnlightenedSavage I was thinking the adjustment was 5 degrees so to keep it square to the work might as well do 5 at a time, but I'm sure there's more adjustment in the tool somehow.
Don't need to necessarily remove 5* at a time.. I don't think. E.g., quick honing. But there is the risk of 'over sharpening' -- too much material removed.. and I'm not sure at what point it becomes too weak.. like that last 5* probably won't stand up very long cutting a thread. :)
This Old Tony just speculation, no real math going on in my head haha. still I think 70 sharpens is a decent tool life. the round tool like that is something I'd think making a bunch of would be good, if you've already got the holder I'd say different sizes and degrees would be handy.
Very interesting video Tony. I bought & will be picking up a bench-top horizontal mill tomorrow. Have never used one but they have always been of fascination to me for just the type of work you demonstrated. Certainly much lighter duty but I intend to use it frequently.
I have one of the Armstrong threading tools similar to yours. It's the cat's pajamas. I can set up to thread in just few seconds and re-sharpening only takes a moment. The tilting head on your threading tool is a step up on carbide threading tool holders if you are cutting multi-start threads (e.g. shut-off valve stems). A six start 5/8"-18 thread has a lead of 0.333"/rev (~8.5mm/rev) and steep 28deg helix angle, so as you mentioned, the cutter needs more side relief than normal and your tool makes that easy to set.
If you are tipping the tool that far over though, aren't you screwing with the thread profile? If I did the math right, taking a measurement of the 60° angle at 28° from normal gives you 66.4°. As far as I know, all thread specifications are taken in plane with the axis of the screw, so a threading tool with a 60° angle used flat like you normally would will produce the 60° angle as it is specified. Tipping your cutting tool over would give you an angle of 60° measured perpendicular to the threads themselves, but the angle as measured in the standard, in-plane-with-axis method would be the stretched 66.4°. From what little Google can brings up, it looks like for that sort of thread there would be a tolerance of about ±2°, at least assuming that a multi-start thread has the same profile specifications as a single-start, which makes sense since it should have the same nominal profile. If you were cutting the mating threads in the same way, this wouldn't be a problem, but something tells me you aren't single-point threading the internal, six-start 5/8"-18 thread using the same 60°-tilted-over-28° cutter geometry. I can see how spinning the disk to keep up with sharpening is a convenient feature, but tilting it over just seems like a red-herring for actual use.
Yeah, they still kinda function, located in the city of Kirov in Russia. Their website krin.ru . Now they are using slightly different logo as a stamp, so gauge block set probably dates back to the olden (USSR) times.
My hospital recovery from a very painful spinal surgery has been an ordeal. I was able to survive on gruel and This Old Tony videos. I watched them all including ones I already saw. The decision to retire from my career as a surgeon has been hard. Leaving the old me behind was a grieving process. Tony, you and the other fantastic makers on you tube have been great inspiration to me. You are proud of your work and do so with a joyful spirit. I hope you get to see some of my work in the future. In the meantime, keep on not taking life too seriously.
The plastic cafeteria lunch tray AND birds singing in the background...! Oxtoolco is a good channel too, i´ve been binging the content of the usual suspects for weeks. You guys do a great job to explain information that would otherwise be hard to be learned from books or just some dropped hints by acquaintances. I hear stories of great finds on flea markets and scrapyards all the time, for a starter it might be a good idea to not spend too much money for new stuff, otoh it takes experience to know what one needs or what it is good for.
Great video bud, fantastic finds at the scrap yard, would love a butchers round there myself. Yes climb milling is always a leap of faith in your set up 🤨🤨
I've watched dozens of these videos and never have seen The Narrator's face. However, for reasons I can't explain, I'm 100% sure he is always wearing a turtleneck/polo neck shirt.
Tony, If you ever have a concern about finish while milling, try CLIMB milling. Think of it like shoveling snow. You just scooped up in a traditional sense. Climb milling draws down from above. It makes a big difference especially on nonferrous metals.
@ Carl - If X is -10 to 10 and Y is -5 to 5, the stuck pixel is at (-9, -4) I had to 'ballpark' the Cartesian plane for a video on a screen (aspect ratio). lol
My god, it’s like the arrow in the FedEx logo or the H in the Hartford Whalers logo. Even with your warning, I couldn’t resist, and now that I’ve seen into the dark dimension, I will never be the same
One benefit of horizontal milling cutters is that you could make your own cutters, unlike end mills. It may or may not be economical, but you may not always be able to find specific cutters needed for a project, so this is a viable option in the home shop.
What I think of the video or any other one like it describing all the tools that I have seen and used for many years, is WONDERFUL! Keep wonderful stuff going and get back to your source of used tools as quick as you can.
Hey great video mate , was interesting to see the 16mm end mill vs the equivalent horizontal cutter set up there’s something primal (or something) about watching the horizontal cutter removing material 👍🏻
Hey Tony- Super video again! The gauge block there is almost identical to the one my classmates and I had to make out of stock in the first year of out tool makers apprenticeship in the early 80s in the UK. Yours may well be from that kind of place over in your area of the world. It encompasses many the major skills you need to know about shapers, lathes and various milling machines as well as scraping and filing. We made V blocks with clamps and parallels too I just brought mine back from the UK and use them after 30 years of sitting about-sadly the gauge block got stolen! Very happy for you to see your "find"" at the scrap yard- I have had similar luck with stuff being sold by weight :) Less about now than there used to be a few years back but I still go several times a week to see what I can find but no slip gauges yet!!
Very nice.. I like how the horizontal cutter leaves a clean internal cut.. vice all the swirls of the vertical. Like these vids cause I am still learning how to use my primitive tools. Thanks!!
Great find! I love horizontal mills. Most people don't have room for them as they aren't as versatile. But, in their area of work, it's hard for a vertical to compete.
I don't have a bore gauge in my shop but when I need to precisely measure a bore, I use two dowel pins and a gauge block for large bores. I have had great success with this method and use that money I would have spent on a bore gauge towards new equipment.
Hey.. This is the 1st time I've ever seen a Horizontal cutter.. I love the threading tool too. I'm going to start making a couple of trips to my local scrap yard every now and again. I never thought about finding bits and pieces like u got before but it's always possible to pick a few bits up. I'm only getting into metal working and welding in particular. I would love to own a lathe but atm it's not possible..
Really interesting that you found that threading tool! Rivett made some similar ones for their lathes, to fit their eccentric toolposts, and I've been meaning to make a copy for my own use. They look super handy!
Videos like this I find very interesting. I would love to see more of your shop set up and tools. Home machining is a hobby I may want to start because of videos like this.
Hi great videos. I am working through all of them (informative and witty). The surface gauge looks very like the one we made at apprentice school (Erdington Tec' UK) back in 1968. The collage gave us a rough casting and that was a shaper lesson, the rest being lathe and bench work obviously. I no longer have mine as I never finished it in time so disheartened I binned it, which is a shame! I do have the half round scraper I made from a file though! Thanks for your efforts.
the smaller drill bits. i believe they are called parabolic flutes. very good with plastics as they reduce the chance of chip out when drilling a hole. i use them in acrylic pens. no cracking or blow out at the end of the hole.
This video reminded me of something I completely forgot about when I you showed the horizontal mill I remembered running a mill similar to it 20+ years ago at Dodge Reliance milling pillow block bearing housings and tho I'm talking 20 years back even back then the mill was old as he/\ but it held a tight tolerance I guess that's why they had kept that old mill around, I only wished that I would have like doing this type of work then as I do now
Hey Tony! Regarding the surface gauge, it may have been a trade school or apprenticeship project. I remember seeing a book many years ago that had plans in it for several machinist tools and I'm pretty sure it included a knockoff of Starrett surface gauge. Great videos! Thanks for sharing!
Parabolic flute drill I think and sorry if I spelled it wrong your so lucky to find all of this gold 2nd hand or new old stock so lucky now you got me shopping LOL lol LOL great video as always personally I think that for a one inch cut it was amazing
OMG, I laugh so hard at the cardboard tube! ( I couldn't quite get the metal cap off) LMAO! Keep up the vids, I always look forward to seeing your next production. Cheers!
Big fan here Tony....Love the "lunch tray" quote! Got some cool tools. The mic stand looks like a fun build for those of us with a smaller budget than yours...Razor!
We broach in our hydraulic press at work all the time, the key is to get an apprentice to do it. Much safer that way and it keeps your hands clean!
ha! I laughed way too hard at that. Smart thinking!
Nick.. not a good plan! It's too easy to snap one in two. The other important thing to do is have box full of rags to catch the the broach when it falls through..they don't bounce very well and they're awfully expensive.
If the broaches are dull... spend a few bucks and take them to a cutter-grinder shop and get them resharpened. If sharp, with care and heavy cutting oil, they last a long time in a job shop.
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Your gage block set is indeed Russian. 'КИ' is a logo of 'Красный инструментальщик' ([Krasniy instrumentalshik] for 'Red toolmaker') factory in Russian city Kirov, the biggest Russian manufacturer of precision measuring tooling. Good find :)
And it can be 0, 1, 2 or 3 class (not sure if it's simmilar in English)
@David Parry lol. No doubt!!
@David Parry Just ask the 18- wheel driver with a 11ft tall trailer barreling through a 10'8" high viaduct. Such a wonderful sound!🙀👽
@@terryisaac8195 I am the 18 wheel driver. I have seen the phenomenon of which you speak.😂
The trailer was not 11', it was 13'6".😂
My co-worker managed to get 14' of the 28' trailer under the "LOW" structure before the truck was summarily stopped the wedging effect.
He opened that trailer top like a van of King Oscar sardines!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The trailer sat in our truck yard on display. Everyday the driver was reminded,by everyone of us,that we admired his handy work.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh,yes,only after his lengthy suspension could we remind him daily.😂😂😂😂😂
@J.C. Kohle see my comment below.
No pop rivet gun that I know of or how much duct tape ya slapped on that baby was going to hide his handy work😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🐓💨
Love this kind of stuff. Great video as always.
Thanks!
@practical Engineering you are great also.
Hey Tony, those keyway broaches you found were made in my home town of Greenfield. I always knew of the factory but never quite knew what they made. Recently I noticed that they were closing up and dismantling the factory so great find!
"I'd knock on wood, but I don't have any around".
Next shot - wooden box. Lol
Lol was thinking the same thing
11:11
I was looking for this exact comment
Identifying most common plastics can be done through flame test - something akin to spark test done on steels.
PVC burns with difficulty, extinguishes itself as soon as the testing flame is taken away (the best testing flame would be neutral propane, or MAPP burner flame - like the one you've used to make espresso).
There will be (should be) some sea-greenish tint to the edges, and tad foul and strong acrid smell (akin to hydrochloride, or muriatic acid). And, do as Mr Clinton did - smoke, but don't inhale - as there might be some phosgene (carbonyl chloride, COCl2) in the combustion products.
Polystyrene (nowadays seldom use on its own, as it is too brittle ans cracks easilly), or ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, modern replacement for solid polystyrene) would burn with red flame, giving a lot of soot (as all aromatic-derivatives do, something akin to acetylene flame), and will burn by itself even if you move away the burner's flame (might not, if it's got some self-extinguishing additives in itself). The smell is rather characteristic. although difficult to describe - take a piece of styrofoam, burn it, and then you'll know. Might also give a hint of burned hair smell, as ABS contains some nitrogen (but not as much as polyamides).
Polyamides (like Ertalon, for example; PAs are frequently used to make casings, or housings of many modern power tools, as they are strong, durable and resistant to cracking) give very distinctive smell of burned hair of fingernails (as they are chemically very similar to proteins).
The material itself tend to "bubble, chars and hardens" while being subjected to high-temperature flame.
Polyethylene/ polypropylene burns with the "candle-like" flame and similar smell, no soot, they melt easily and give "flaming drops" - a droplets of burning material. Be careful, as they can give you a really nasty and painful burns.
There's this often used "frisylen" stuff (surface for tables of die-cutters and such), which is just a fancy-schmancy marketing name for one type of polyethylene (AFAIR).
Then there's this POM (aka polyoxymethylene, polyacetal, acetal) used, among other applications, for making v-belts wheels and small gears - more on it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene - where one can also read "POM can have undesirable characteristics when burned. The flame is not self-extinguishing, shows little to no smoke, and the blue flame can be almost invisible in ambient light. Burning also releases formaldehyde gas, which irritates nose, throat, and eye tissues".
And then we've got that PMAA, aka "plexiglas", but this it typically clear, bot opaque - anyway, when strongly heated it gives away a smell reminiscent of a hyacinth flowers (or so they say...).
All above-mentioned "plastics" are from thermoplastics family - and then we've got tons of various "resins" (duroplastics. like epoxy resins, polyester resins, phenol-based resins, and such), but this is quite another kettle of fish I'm not going to delve here.
For more info - ask Uncle Google, he's much younger than I am (so he should know and remember better than me : )
Getting paid by the word I see.
@@stewartyates4510 No, you don't. Some people just can write (type) a decently-sized piece of text "just like that". Yes, I know - it may come as surprise to some, but then I guess it's the modern education shining through, innit?
Im addicted to this channel, your sense of humor is unbeatable, sometimes i just explode laughing , and i have to rewind the video to get what you were talking about lol. The way you make your videos makes them really entertaining that is always too short :).
That chicken sound ...lol
Keep'em coming Tony, top notch stuff, thank you very much.
Thanks!
Me here too bro... Funny AND smart. A dangerous combination. LOL
Me too! I absolutely love the humor, dry like my own, but better.
Me four
11:12 “I’d knock on wood, but I don’t have any around.”
Next scene: wood box full of gauge blocks. 🤣
My first job machining in 1992 was operating a horizontal mill. It was working nights pumping out hundreds of parts that paid for my college tuition. I always wondered why they were used instead of a vertical mill. Thanks for the insight. Love your vids! I now have a Tormach pcnc and love it. Keep up the great work!
The evolution of this channel is amazing. I came for hand scraping years ago and have watched it go from silent scraping to the fantastic educational and entertaining videos today. Always enjoyable, Tony. Thank you.
Hey Tony, I’m sure you’ve heard this a million times from the TOT UA-cam gang but I’m sorry for your loss and I hope you know your entire audience gives their condolences.
I stumbled across this particular video (which is new to me even though I’ve been a fan for quite some time) and I have to say that if you ever get back to making videos, please consider making a TOT version of that hefty surface gauge. That surface gauge is a thing of beauty and I can only imagine what kind of improvements you would want to implement. Your tap wrench build is my favorite video of yours which explains why i would be so excited about a surface gauge build. Lol
Either way, we wish you the best man.
I love videos like this. They remind me of the day I inherited most of my tooling, and the excitement of digging through it all and discovering what sort of oddball things another machinist couldn't live without.
watching shooting the poop while having a poop, I didn't realize how much I was enjoying your video until I went to get up off the toilet and I had lost feeling in my legs.
Underrated comment.
Micrometer stand are great for setting Zero on bore dial gages. Large bore diameter are a huge pain to set zero on bore gages without a mic stand.... unless This old Tony knows of a secret this veteran tool and die maker doesn’t know.
P.S. love the channel, I already know most what you cover, however it’s still great fun.
Im interested in the surface gauge. Please share the cad and a video making one if possible. Thank you for all your great videos and humor!
Loved it, your opinion is always of value. I don't know how you manage to keep me captivated for 25 min as no body else can.
Sigh.....where do you have these beautiful scrapyards. Here, "scrapyard" means a pile of beat-up cars, not a fully-stocked metal offcuts store!
unfortunately that is exactly what i was thinking
Absolutely right here to.
I was just in my local scrap yard (junk cars and such) yesterday and was lamenting this very fact. Where are the industrial yards that have this kind of stuff?
Same here... but when I was going often, I would find some good stuff here and there. Once a big haul of 80/20 various sizes with brackets and even a few linear slides.
In best scenario!! Here in italy scrapyard sell used things... like cassette, old VHS, military stuff...
I absolutely love your videos - and it is obvious you have joy for making them. Both the technical part and the more humorous parts makes it a pleasure to watch.
Funny.... I have a set of three sizes of surface gages on my workbench right now and have started re-creating them in blocks of walnut. My goal is to build an up-scaled desk lamp with the surface gage as the base and arms. I was going to use a half-cylinder for the lamp shade, but perhaps an over-sized D.I. would be appropriate. Anywho...another great video!
In southern California the store that sells machine tools and stock to cut up by the pound is "Cal-Aro". like a grocery store but good stuff.
The gage blocks are made in the USSR, the brand mark belonged to the plant "Красный Инструментальщик" or Red Toolsmith. Now it is located in the town of Kirov, Russian Federation.
This was one of the first TOT videos I ever watched and the fact I learned about a thing without anyone trying to sell me something is why I stuck around for every video since.
I would love the cad design!
X3!
Ditto...Thanks!
If still possible, I'd like it too!
Ceazar Carr me too
You can find it many on internet. Free or paid, simple or complex. Depends of your needs.
I'm subscribed and watch a lot of machinist videos from you, mrpete, Keith Rucker, AvE, etc. I just wanted to say you all have your own style that keeps me coming back every time I see a video posted! Keep up the great content and your humor is one of the main things that keep me coming back, you're hilarious and informative at the same time! Thanks, keep on keepin on!
Tony, love the videos.
You mentioned you might do a video on the many many ways ton use gage blocks.
I would like to see that one.
Thanks again.
your moroccan friend .... this made me laght a lot... i m moroccan and your videos are always a pleasure to watch Old Tony... keep it going TOT. greets from morocco
I don't machine but I love this channel.
Neither do I... But the videos, commentary and comedy are fantastic! I find them addicting.
Kung fu - post band saw cuts of chromoly - that video trickery was the gateway drug.
I enjoyed this video. What intrigued me the most was seeing that picture of a multi-cutter setup on a horizontal mill. I've never seen that before.
22:40 That wink freaked me out. Love your videos, keep up the great work!
Love these videos, When I started out in the machine shop at college, we always cleaned slip gauges or gauge blocks before putting them back in their box to prevent rusting.
gage blocks are Soviet made in Kirov by Krasny Instrumentalschik. ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Красный_инструментальщик
or Red Instrumentalist you may translate
Or, rather, "Red toolmaker".
dang, there's a lot more info about that company than I was expecting in there, that's cool!
Thanks!
probably "The red toolmaker" would fit better.
Love your vids,I especially like your sense of humor,and you explain everything, I'm 61 years old and our high school metal shop was very disappointing, we had brakes,tin welding,ark welding,and gas welding ,I don't think rig was even invented yet! I would have loved it if we had even a cheap lathe rather than no lathe at all ! But wood shop had a lathe go figure ! But you had to be a junior or senior to use the lathe ,my only exposure to the wood shop lathe was after the junior returned to the lathe from lunch,some body reversed the direction of rotation on him,and he assumed it was as he left it,(he should have checked he didnt) he turned the lathe on and grabbed his gouge to remove more material and then all hell broke loose,in a mere few seconds the bowl shattered and his gouge jumped up and struck him in his forehead right between his eyes and was embedded there,there was blood and bowl everywhere,he was taken by ambulance to the hospital, luckily he had a Neanderthal skull and the gouge did not enter the brain but was just stuck in the skull only ,and was removed easily by the Dr, after an extensive investigation it could not be determined who had reversed the lathe and or why they reversed it ,no one admitted to doing it ,and after that incident the lathe was red flagged and no one was ever going to use it again,so by the time I was a junior the lathe was sold off and I was never Abel to use any kind of lathe metal or wood ! I feel I was robbed !!! And at 61 I can't exactly go hang out at a machine shop hoping one of the machinest would see me and take me under his wing and make me an apprentice so I could have a career as a machinest , absolutely bummed out .
Those metric gauge blocks are Russian. They were made in the Kirov plant of the company Krin. Here's the Wikipedia: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BA Here's their website: krin.ru/
Wow! nice find Tony
чуть что - сразу русские!
Love seeing new tool videos. Much cheaper than buying my own! Thanks for the vicarious hobby thrills.
On board with the cad design, who wouldn't be up for more videos from you!
Tony, thanks for the video. One of the primary things I like about your videos is that even though I'm not a machinist or do any of this, I always learn something and you make it interesting. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Bill!
ohhh, i get it. TOT = this old tony. That's you! Took me 2 days, but i finally figured it out. I'll take my prize in cash form.
dg diggz : it'll be small denominations, to be sure!
Oh so thats what it stands for... I knew that... I mean now i do XD
Dang thats good. Went right over my head.
Wow, being so adept at making brilliant deductions like that, Watson, you'll be head of your local police force in no time.
Tot in german means dead btw just saying
You are awesome. My son really enjoys watching your videos and I enjoy tagging along so I understand what he is talking about. :) We both can't wait until he is old enough to have his own machine shop. He is taking automotive in high school and really enjoys that class. Someday he will be able to machine his own parts.
Cool as always! BTW! I don't mind so see how an old tool gets clean up! Timelapse ;)
This channel is without doubt the ultimate in 'kid in the candy store' scenario! At least for us really old kids, any ways! An indication of great content is to grab your attention and keep it there with unbridled enthusiasm even when someone has zero experience in the black arts of machining, or even any interest in the subject. I've no machinery and have little use for the even if I had, but I find I keep coming back to this gentleman and actually walking away having learned something! Fantastic channel Tony, love your stuff!
Hey Tony boy, did you realise that Tot is an acronym for This Old Tony? Strange coincidence don’t you think?😁
I really enjoy looking at the old tools and seeing how they are used, great finds.
Thanks F.B. PS your thumbnail always reminds me of kevin spacey / house of cards.
Been considering this all weekend, still not sure if its a good thing, ha ha.
Love your work.
Especially now!
The drills are Parabolic drills, they are for getting chips out of deep holes better.
And then you posted it seconds later....
I think the micrometer stand is a Mitutoyo. Their older stuff was often green and the shape of the knob is exactly the same as the ones on my older Mitutoyo magnetic base. Great videos -I love your sense of humour that pops up allover the place!
I like these videos. I like all the videos.
+1 on the horizontal milling. In trade school we had to make a small die makers vise. Everyone but me and 1 other person used the vertical mill to cut a .625 slot 1" deep. What took them hours we had finished in 20 minutes and with a much better finish!
That drill you showed with deep gullets is called a parabolic flute drill.
I prefer pan pipes myself.
It looks very much like an old Etalon mic stand. Some of my very old Etalon mics are painted that same shade of green. The Etalon mic frames were more squarish and fit the clamping mechanism better than do the curved Starret mics.
Everything Etalon made was super high quality. I can reliably read mine to 0.000050. Worked in the optical precision engineering field for many years.
Hi Tony. I love your sense of humour. Are you sure that you're American? Regards Mark in the UK
Dry Bri'ish humour [humor] to a tea [tee] @thecorbies
Just cos he may be in USA doesn't mean he is American. Not very American accent.
@@millomweb what accent do you think he has? He’s very American sounding to me.
@@uhavenosushi But there are American accents and there are American accents :)
See Keith Rucker and Abom79.
I really enjoyed this video. What I really enjoy is bouncing back and forth between more recent videos and older videos and seeing how your video making style and ability developed. Thanks, ToT!
PVC can be identified by the smell of the smoke. If it smells like your lungs are being turned inside out, that's PVC.
Yeah PVC is comically toxic for something that common, I imagine the factories that make PVC stuff aren't very pleasant.
You heat a piece of solid copper wire, and melt a little of the plastic, and then put the wire in a flame, if the flame turns green it's PVC. I think the chloride in the PVC attacks the copper so it burns, probably copperchloride.
burn test is real
Tony,the tool that you said was a threading tool! Here in the UK, back in the early 70s we had identical tools to the one shown,in the engineering shop I worked in. They were used as form tools for various jobs.Not threading.Some were rounded, some were flat faced, but with relief for plunging, much like a part off tool.But all they needed was a quick lick on the grinder and back in business.Until the disc came to the end of it’s life, and the disc was then replaced by a new one, and on it went.
PIZZA CUTTER!
The micrometer stand works exceptionally well when setting a dial bore gage or an indicol. Not having to hold the mic too, is a big advantage in the operation.
Комплект не полный )))
0.5 должно быть три единицы (каждая со своим допуском точности)
Love these types of videos. Also, your videos are generally so entertaining that I am now feeding links to them to my family and friends and getting positive feedback about them. Mind you, these are people who haven't the slightest inclination for mechanical engineering or even home shop activities. You are the man Tony.
360 degrees by 5 degree increments means that cutter could be sharpened almost 70 times. someone had a great idea there.
if it started life with a 10 degree gap which is doubtful haha, probably a good 50 sharpens before it's scrap though.
sharpening it takes less than a degree. unless you screw up
+EnlightenedSavage I was thinking the adjustment was 5 degrees so to keep it square to the work might as well do 5 at a time, but I'm sure there's more adjustment in the tool somehow.
Don't need to necessarily remove 5* at a time.. I don't think. E.g., quick honing. But there is the risk of 'over sharpening' -- too much material removed.. and I'm not sure at what point it becomes too weak.. like that last 5* probably won't stand up very long cutting a thread. :)
This Old Tony just speculation, no real math going on in my head haha. still I think 70 sharpens is a decent tool life. the round tool like that is something I'd think making a bunch of would be good, if you've already got the holder I'd say different sizes and degrees would be handy.
Very interesting video Tony. I bought & will be picking up a bench-top horizontal mill tomorrow. Have never used one but they have always been of fascination to me for just the type of work you demonstrated. Certainly much lighter duty but I intend to use it frequently.
Enjoyed!
I have one of the Armstrong threading tools similar to yours. It's the cat's pajamas. I can set up to thread in just few seconds and re-sharpening only takes a moment.
The tilting head on your threading tool is a step up on carbide threading tool holders if you are cutting multi-start threads (e.g. shut-off valve stems). A six start 5/8"-18 thread has a lead of 0.333"/rev (~8.5mm/rev) and steep 28deg helix angle, so as you mentioned, the cutter needs more side relief than normal and your tool makes that easy to set.
If you are tipping the tool that far over though, aren't you screwing with the thread profile? If I did the math right, taking a measurement of the 60° angle at 28° from normal gives you 66.4°. As far as I know, all thread specifications are taken in plane with the axis of the screw, so a threading tool with a 60° angle used flat like you normally would will produce the 60° angle as it is specified. Tipping your cutting tool over would give you an angle of 60° measured perpendicular to the threads themselves, but the angle as measured in the standard, in-plane-with-axis method would be the stretched 66.4°. From what little Google can brings up, it looks like for that sort of thread there would be a tolerance of about ±2°, at least assuming that a multi-start thread has the same profile specifications as a single-start, which makes sense since it should have the same nominal profile. If you were cutting the mating threads in the same way, this wouldn't be a problem, but something tells me you aren't single-point threading the internal, six-start 5/8"-18 thread using the same 60°-tilted-over-28° cutter geometry. I can see how spinning the disk to keep up with sharpening is a convenient feature, but tilting it over just seems like a red-herring for actual use.
gauges is from "Красный Инструментальщик" or "Red Toolmaker"
its from USSR
Yeah, they still kinda function, located in the city of Kirov in Russia. Their website krin.ru . Now they are using slightly different logo as a stamp, so gauge block set probably dates back to the olden (USSR) times.
Thanks!
Always a cause to smile, some Info/education and nicely presented. Much appreciated, thank you Tony.
Tony there is still time to change your mind...... you still could be my old man....... your move
My wife wants to know if it'd cost us anything.
This Old Tony only love, affection, full time access to the workshop..... things money can't buy...... but there may be something in it for you......
My hospital recovery from a very painful spinal surgery has been an ordeal. I was able to survive on gruel and This Old Tony videos. I watched them all including ones I already saw. The decision to retire from my career as a surgeon has been hard. Leaving the old me behind was a grieving process. Tony, you and the other fantastic makers on you tube have been great inspiration to me. You are proud of your work and do so with a joyful spirit. I hope you get to see some of my work in the future. In the meantime, keep on not taking life too seriously.
is it a pizza cutter ?
it didn't used to be!!
This Old Tony so now it is. cool
@@ThisOldTony 😂😂😂😂
Wish I could find a scrap man like yours. Always enjoy your videos and always manage to learn something. Thanks!
this video forced me to ask myself, "if I had 3 hands; would I want a second left hand? or a second right hand?"
2 years later - and still no decision. Poor you.
my needle nose vise grips is my third hand
Excellent find and another excellent video. I loved the 3 handed joke.
Did you know that "tot" means "dead" in German? Now you know!
Kommentator 123
I know I just wanted to point out this funny coincidence
Kommentator 123 Oh yes.. :D
Hey! None of us 'Mericans knew that...
The plastic cafeteria lunch tray AND birds singing in the background...! Oxtoolco is a good channel too, i´ve been binging the content of the usual suspects for weeks. You guys do a great job to explain information that would otherwise be hard to be learned from books or just some dropped hints by acquaintances.
I hear stories of great finds on flea markets and scrapyards all the time, for a starter it might be a good idea to not spend too much money for new stuff, otoh it takes experience to know what one needs or what it is good for.
Where in Italy is this magic scrap yard?
Sw ag Is it Italy? I was just trying to remember a few days ago where he said he is.
Jon Miller from what I've gathered. If it's northern Italy, I'd definitely like to peruse that scrapyard the next time I'm down there.
CERN? Just a guess.
You're guess is as good as mine, but he seems more a production engineer type than an R&D engineer or machinists.
Sorry, I meant your own situation. "Expatriate engineer", somewhere north or north-ish of northern Italy. But from your response I guess not.
Great video bud, fantastic finds at the scrap yard, would love a butchers round there myself. Yes climb milling is always a leap of faith in your set up 🤨🤨
We need to have a "pick the face" game for Tony and AvE.
Seems like a fun one.
They are the same person! Like Jekyll & Hyde !
I've watched dozens of these videos and never have seen The Narrator's face. However, for reasons I can't explain, I'm 100% sure he is always wearing a turtleneck/polo neck shirt.
AvE has redder hands. Its the pis he consumes
Tony,
If you ever have a concern about finish while milling, try CLIMB milling. Think of it like shoveling snow. You just scooped up in a traditional sense. Climb milling draws down from above. It makes a big difference especially on nonferrous metals.
the stuck pixel on his camera is distracting me. :( It's far left, just below the center point. Once you see it, it can't be unseen.
With all the little specks of stove ash, shop dust and other crud on my display, I had to scroll up and down to find it.
Damn you. Lol.
Give me Cartesian coordinates. I can't see it.
@ Carl - If X is -10 to 10 and Y is -5 to 5, the stuck pixel is at (-9, -4)
I had to 'ballpark' the Cartesian plane for a video on a screen (aspect ratio). lol
My god, it’s like the arrow in the FedEx logo or the H in the Hartford Whalers logo. Even with your warning, I couldn’t resist, and now that I’ve seen into the dark dimension, I will never be the same
One benefit of horizontal milling cutters is that you could make your own cutters, unlike end mills. It may or may not be economical, but you may not always be able to find specific cutters needed for a project, so this is a viable option in the home shop.
Not only are you missing the serving tray, you are also missing a piece of old, long haired carpet!
Søren Fuglsang, im not sure how well everything show without the carpet...
What I think of the video or any other one like it describing all the tools that I have seen and used for many years, is WONDERFUL! Keep wonderful stuff going and get back to your source of used tools as quick as you can.
Thanks!
Hey great video mate , was interesting to see the 16mm end mill vs the equivalent horizontal cutter set up there’s something primal (or something) about watching the horizontal cutter removing material 👍🏻
Hey Tony- Super video again! The gauge block there is almost identical to the one my classmates and I had to make out of stock in the first year of out tool makers apprenticeship in the early 80s in the UK. Yours may well be from that kind of place over in your area of the world. It encompasses many the major skills you need to know about shapers, lathes and various milling machines as well as scraping and filing. We made V blocks with clamps and parallels too I just brought mine back from the UK and use them after 30 years of sitting about-sadly the gauge block got stolen! Very happy for you to see your "find"" at the scrap yard- I have had similar luck with stuff being sold by weight :) Less about now than there used to be a few years back but I still go several times a week to see what I can find but no slip gauges yet!!
Very nice.. I like how the horizontal cutter leaves a clean internal cut.. vice all the swirls of the vertical.
Like these vids cause I am still learning how to use my primitive tools.
Thanks!!
Tony, the magic just keep coming, and yes tool finds are good (plastic tray or not)!!!!! Kindest regards. Joe.
Great find! I love horizontal mills. Most people don't have room for them as they aren't as versatile. But, in their area of work, it's hard for a vertical to compete.
That huge cut he took looked like a roughing and finishing cut in 1.
Gorgeous, funny and very interesting Video - learned a lot about tools i did'nt even know existed. Always a pleasure. Big thumbs up !!!
Love it love it love it. Thank you so much Tony. Sooooo much valuable information.. 🙏
LOL. Says he doesn't have any wood in the shop, and then starts talking about the gauge blocks that are sitting in a wooden case. You're the best man!
I don't have a bore gauge in my shop but when I need to precisely measure a bore, I use two dowel pins and a gauge block for large bores. I have had great success with this method and use that money I would have spent on a bore gauge towards new equipment.
Hey.. This is the 1st time I've ever seen a Horizontal cutter.. I love the threading tool too. I'm going to start making a couple of trips to my local scrap yard every now and again. I never thought about finding bits and pieces like u got before but it's always possible to pick a few bits up. I'm only getting into metal working and welding in particular. I would love to own a lathe but atm it's not possible..
Really interesting that you found that threading tool! Rivett made some similar ones for their lathes, to fit their eccentric toolposts, and I've been meaning to make a copy for my own use. They look super handy!
I just love dig around old tooling stuff wish I had more flea market in my side of the world.
Videos like this I find very interesting. I would love to see more of your shop set up and tools. Home machining is a hobby I may want to start because of videos like this.
Hi great videos. I am working through all of them (informative and witty). The surface gauge looks very like the one we made at apprentice school (Erdington Tec' UK) back in 1968. The collage gave us a rough casting and that was a shaper lesson, the rest being lathe and bench work obviously. I no longer have mine as I never finished it in time so disheartened I binned it, which is a shame! I do have the half round scraper I made from a file though! Thanks for your efforts.
the smaller drill bits. i believe they are called parabolic flutes. very good with plastics as they reduce the chance of chip out when drilling a hole. i use them in acrylic pens. no cracking or blow out at the end of the hole.
ok i paused your video to type this comment. should have watched the next 5 secs. DOH!
This video reminded me of something I completely forgot about when I you showed the horizontal mill I remembered running a mill similar to it 20+ years ago at Dodge Reliance milling pillow block bearing housings and tho I'm talking 20 years back even back then the mill was old as he/\ but it held a tight tolerance I guess that's why they had kept that old mill around, I only wished that I would have like doing this type of work then as I do now
Hey Tony! Regarding the surface gauge, it may have been a trade school or apprenticeship project. I remember seeing a book many years ago that had plans in it for several machinist tools and I'm pretty sure it included a knockoff of Starrett surface gauge. Great videos! Thanks for sharing!
Parabolic flute drill I think and sorry if I spelled it wrong your so lucky to find all of this gold 2nd hand or new old stock so lucky now you got me shopping LOL lol LOL great video as always personally I think that for a one inch cut it was amazing
Spectacular!!!!!! The HMM is terrifying, I had no idea they could make a cut like that. Thank you so much.
did you ever do a video on surface plate and blocks? I don't remember seeing one but maybe I just don't remember.
OMG, I laugh so hard at the cardboard tube! ( I couldn't quite get the metal cap off) LMAO! Keep up the vids, I always look forward to seeing your next production. Cheers!
Big fan here Tony....Love the "lunch tray" quote! Got some cool tools. The mic stand looks like a fun build for those of us with a smaller budget than yours...Razor!