How nice that this episode is preserved. Lovely and classy ladies. I wonder what they earned $$ for appearing in addition to the $25, and what was the audition process like?
Very unusual to see any policewomen in '63. If there were any back then in the U.S., they may have been mostly behind a desk in an administrative position instead of on the street in uniform and more so in carrying a weapon and baton. It would have been striking to see a policewoman for me and others in that pre-feminist era that was soon to dramatically change!
***** That's for sure she was! This is the first time I couldn't figure out whether there was a male/female sound behind the disguised voice of a mystery guest. She was awesome!
She sure got excited every time she got a "no" and every time she saw that she had thrown them off track. I think part of it was Peggy's personality. She always impressed me as a bubbly, fun and down to earth person. But I also think that her being part of the panel of another Goodson-Todman show also contributed to her reaction. I can picture a little friendly rivalry between the panels of WML, TTTT and IGAS. With WML being the oldest and perhaps the most prestigious of those three long-running shows, her ability to stick it to them was golden. And then when Merv Griffin said her name during Arlene's turn, because Arlene was talking about the animal act, the panel interpreted the audience's reaction as totally related to animals instead of Merv getting it right. I almost lost it when he guessed Alan Young instead of Peggy. I'd include that as a top WML moment.
@@loissimmons6558 I loved watching all 3 of those great game shows, and another one in the late afternoon M-F after school: "You Don't Say" (1963-67) hosted by Tom Kennedy, brother to fellow game show host Jack Narz.
Miss Cass, a regular panelist on the original TTTT from 1962-68, was a hoot; along with Miss Francis's elegance, Miss Killgallen's charm & hairdo, Mr. Cerf's wit, Mr. Griffin's humor, and Mr. Daly's typical verbosity! Timeless entertainment- thank you!
Peggy Cass was so much a part of my youth. It seems she was everywhere, "To Tell The Truth, "Password", Carson, and lots more. She was always fun to watch.
@@anthonylatino1408 You will be surprised to know that Peggy was the very first guest along with WML alumni Peter Lind Hayes in the TV pilot of The Match Game back in 1962 with Gene Rayburn. The format and questions come off much tamer and less racy compared to the 70's programs. ua-cam.com/video/EsJzfCmfoAY/v-deo.html
You should see Peggy’s brilliant performance as Agnes Gooch in AUNTIE MAME (1959) co-starring with Rosalind Russell. Peggy was nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar and she richly deserved it.
Enjoyed hearing John's comment on the president's physical fitness idea. It is more needed in recent years than it was in the early-'60s when there were far less overweight or obese people than I see now. Another bygone reference to an era that is sorely missed by those such as I who remember America at its very peak of its existence, with peace and increasing prosperity!
Merv was still hosting a live 55 minute daytime talk show on NBC when this show was taped. It began the same day, in the same studio as Johnny Carson's "Tonight" show, Oct.1st, 1962.
I wonder if the panelists had a chance to talk to the guests afterwards (in particular the mystery guests). They sometimes seemed so fascinated by them. I got the impression they would have loved to have more of a conversation with them (especially some who were legends of some sort). Also too bad the audience usually didn't get much chance to hear more from some of the guests.
This is the third time Bennett has used the "ham and X" pun. 11/3/57 (Douglas Leigh) and 8/20/61 (Jaques Picard). and now. Each time it's been when there's a contestant who signed in as X and the panel is not blindfolded. Wonder if Bennett EVER passed up an opportunity to use this one? I'd bet not.
Yes, I noted that also since I watched the Picard episode yesterday. Thanks for posting this though; I thought both times he was saying "Ham and Eggs" and was wondering why people laughed at the remark. Time to get new speakers for my desktop I guess.
Variety performers at the time dined out on the same jokes told in all the nightclubs for their entire careers. So I guess Bennett thinks he can do the same with his ham and eggs quip. Repetition is funny after all!!
Wasn't that impressive? I think that both Dorothy and Arlene have most often proved to be the sharpest of the four panelists (and this is from a 75-year-old guy's perspective, by the way). I have watched a number of these episodes over the last several months, so I have become convinced that, generally speaking, women are smarter, more intuitive, and a bit more insightful than us men, let's face it.
There's one pre-taped episode, in which the fact it was such, could not have been anymore obvious: The September 1, 1963 episode, which was taped on June 23. In that episode, Arlene was seen with her right-arm still in a sling, hidden underneath a cape.
Mr. Heidsieck's making champagne must make people good looking, a very well groomed and handsome family line. They must also consume their grapes as part of a healthy diet. I had a client who lived to be 102 years old and every evening she had her champagne cocktail. Lol! A very ovely lady.
One of my favorite parts of To Tell The Truth was the byplay between Peggy Cass and Orson Bean. I thought they had great chemistry together and I would have loved to see them in a sitcom.
I Loved Orson Bean, his looks and his quick wit. Sharp as a tack till his sad end I'll bet. Loved him! I Loved Peggy Cass raspy voice and her appearance in one of the Gidget movies:" Gidget Goes Hawaiian" with James Darren and Deborah Walley as Gidget. Love watching Orson and his then wife, Carolyn who was also just as sharp on the game show: "Tattletales" also favorite couple was Elaine Joyce and Bobby Van, and Betty White and Allen Ludden.
@@tinat9486 I also went through the run of 'Tattletales' episodes (the 70's version) and I agree with you completely. Especially Elaine Joyce and Bobby Van. Orson and Carolyn were also great. Side note of no interest - my uncle used to tell me about Peggy Cass coming into the bank where he worked.
I disagree. As good as Peggy Cass's performance as Agnes Gooch is in "Auntie Mame," Wendy Hiller turns in a truly remarkable and wonderful performance as Miss Cooper in "Separate Tables" - and more than earned the Oscar that year.
Dorothy being a little catty with the weight shot at Pierre Salinger, surprised to hear Daly repeat it. Very coincidental because I was just looking at the episode date (thanks for posting it) and waiting for the eps four months from then when the world changed. Like the shows surrounding Dorothy's death, it's interesting to see the before and after programs. Well, I just looked it up and I guess we won't see any bereavement around November 22/63. Looks like the November 24th show was preempted (obviously) and the Dec 1 show was prerecorded on November 3rd. The next show to air was on December 8, two weeks after the assassination.
jethro1963 Yeah with that dig at Pierre Salinger it was another example of stuff we would not see on a game show these days. (And this one might be a change for the better. )
I'm going to apologize as I haven't been making the numbers of comments that I should and I'm loving these shows. I'm a huge fan of film Noir and so this is great!!!
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I think there's a reason this episode is less than 25 minutes in length: There was originally a brief shot where Daly told the viewers how one could be a contestant on this show. GSN might have edited it out. As they do with virtually every other non-original series.
No, I don't think that's it, Vahan. The bit where John tells viewers how to write in was snipped out of *all* the shows by GSN except in the early-ish ones from the 1950s. It's not at all uncommon for episodes of WML to be under 25 minutes. They range, usually, from 24 to 26 minutes, with no real indication of why the lengths vary. Basically, any episode that clocks in close to 24 minutes or more, we can assume are basically complete, not counting cases where bits were snipped out for the WML at 25 special and not replaced. In the rare cases where an entire segment is missing, the shows are at least 3 minutes short. Some of this variation, I think, has to do with how much of John's segues to commercials were clipped out. If he said simply, "And now a word from our sponsor", we'd maybe lose a second or two of video before where the commercial would have come in. But if he made direct reference to the sponsor, or ever said anything *after* his initial mention of the sponsor, it's probably all just been snipped out for simplicity's sake, so in these cases, a bit more time would be shaved off. Just speculating again, though, as I've only seen a handful of unedited shows.
WML must have been tough to direct on live TV. A nightmare. Syndicated WML rehearsed episodes with a stand-in panel sometime before the actual taping session. However, this program went out on live TV with plenty of preparation before hand, but neither the producer nor the director could predict how long the panel would take to solve -- or not. I remember one contestant that took 12 minutes. I remember contestants that panelists cracked in less than a minute. And it is impossible to predict -- without "gambits" -- if any of it is going to be funny. Some episodes just lie there, but Fates, the production staff, and Heller must have been geniuses in preparing what they could prepare.
soulierinvestments From what I gathered from a defunct episode guide on the Syndicated era, it taped 5 episodes on a once-a-week average (usually either Tuesday or Thursday), within an average of an 8-month period. Taping on the Syndicated era began exactly 310 days later, after the live taping of the finale of the original series.
***** The syndicated WML definitely did tape a full week's worth of five shows in a single day. Fates goes on at somewhat interminable length in his book on WML about the production details of the syndicated version. Much of this would have been legitimately interesting new info to people reading the book in the 1970s, but in this day and age, it gets a bit tedious. People nowadays fully understand the exigencies of taping shows in advance and syndicated distribution. Reading page after page of explanations of how they mailed the videotapes around the country, or why they still aired shows with Bennett shortly after he died, got a bit tedious for me, personally. That's my only major criticism of this otherwise excellent book-- this, and the excessive detail he offers on the process of putting together the WML at 25 special (I think the last 50 or so pages of the book are entirely about the special). Anyhow, he made it very clear in the book that the syndicated show was taped a full week at a time, the panelists often getting progressively drunker as the shows were recorded. They strategically inserted alcohol-related segments, e.g., wine tasting, in order to "loosen up" the panelists once they realized the entertainment-enhancing effect it often had. This, of course, wouldn't have worked unless they taped a whole week's worth of shows in one go.
What's My Line? And the instant success of the new WML was what prompted Goodson & Todman to revive "To Tell the Truth" for Syndication a year later in 1969, which I think many people have said was even better than the original Bud Collyer version.
@@WhatsMyLine As demonstrated in his films, especially with houses and trains, Buster Keaton thought the highest form of humor was a man walking up to a banana peel and just before he was about to step on it and slide on his butt, he walked around it.
Bennett asks the policewoman sisters at 12:12 "are there any more at home like you?" He's quoting the second line of the most famous song from a legendary musical comedy of 1899/1900: "Florodora", in which the six Florodora Girls are asked, "Tell me, pretty maiden, are there any more at home like you?" by six gentlemen of the cast. I was musical director for a revival of the show a few years ago, and you can see our performance of the number on UA-cam ... I'll put the link into a reply to this message since UA-cam won't let me search now while writing this comment.
Here's the song and dance "Tell Me, Pretty Maiden" mentioned in my previous message: ua-cam.com/video/IvlgSA9INx8/v-deo.html It's a catchy tune, and very flirty lyrics for the late Victorian era. The last lines are "I must love someone, really, and it might as well be you." You can see me conducting in the corner of some of the camera angles.
Lars Rye Jeppesen Yep. She struggles with jaw seizures on the word 'publishing' or 'publisher' or 'dictionary'....so introducing Cerf is an obstacle course for her.
I saw Peggy on Broadway in The Octet Bridge Club. She sang a song How Could Red Riding Hood Have Been So Very Good and Lead the Wolf to Her Door? I know she also sang in the show 42nd Street.
One of Peggy Cass’s great TV appearances. Talk about bamboozling the panel. I am old enough to remember viewing the Peggy Cass -- Jack Weston sitcom “The Hathaways,” which ran in the 1961-1962 season. Brace yourself: a couple raises three chimpanzees as if they were kids. This accounts for the laughter in her appearance in reference to animals. In retrospect, the “Hathaway” concept was not as funny as it sounds. I must have been the only person who watched it, for ABC cancelled it after 26 episodes.
I watched The Hathaways when I was 6/7 years old. It was scheduled after The Flintstones on Fridays. I believe The Hathaways was replaced the following season by "I'm Dickens-He's Fenster (a sitcom about a couple of carpenters) starring John Astin (Gomez Addams of Addams Family) and Marty Ingles who would later marry Shirley Jones.
I was trying to think who Mr. X (the first contestant) reminded me of. It was some movie star, then it came to me...Robert Taylor. Does anyone else see that?
Yes the sharp resemblance could be seen with Mr. Taylor on the facial structure. About Louise Jordan Mr. X's face was longer while Mr. Jordan's face was smaller than him.
The last thing I personally saw Peggy Cass in was way back in 1989 when she was in the pilot for Major Dad. For some reason though she wasn't part of the cast, which may have been just as well, since the one who did play the role she would have had was only in the first season. Too bad really, I thought she could have contributed much to the show.
Merv guesses the wrong Heidsieck when he asks if the first challenger's first name is Piper. I don't drink champagne (except for a sip at my brother's wedding for the toast), but I have heard of Piper Heidsieck. I have not heard of Charles Heidsieck.
Dorothy is beginning to look a little under the weather. Something that I think becomes more and more apparent in later episodes. Presumably she'd had a few before the show.
***** This is a pre-taped episode. It was taped on March 3, 1963, before her next relapse. Thereafter, Dorothy attended each and every taping, until 1965.
***** I though Dorothy was going to sneeze when introducing Merv. Merv does look nice here. I had only ever seen him before in the Steve Martin film, The Man With Two Brains playing the part of a murderer.
TheGadgetPanda - I don't know where those rumors about Dorothy came from. She never looks under the influence to me and I don't think she cheated. The stakes were not high enough to pay off.
I've always hated Dorothy's hair style from this period on I can't stand that thing on top of her head the 1950s hair style that she wore was always so more attractive.
I've been binge watching WML now for the last 7 days. At first I thought Dorothy Kilgallen was the sharpest panelist. She does seem to uncover the most occupations of all the panelists. However, over the last few days I've noted that on occasion, she just comes out of nowhere with the pertinent line of questioning which allows her to "unmask" the visitor to the show. Watch the questioning of the Boag's by the panelists. It was all over the place. There is NOTHING in it that would lead a questioner to ask "Have you anything to do with the law?" Yet somehow Dorothy decides to pursue this line of questioning and arrive at the correct occupation. So, either she can read minds, has an IQ of 184 or she's gotten a "tip-off" from a snitch. Last night I watched her come out of left field with the question "Is this something that would be used on a farm?" when the contestant manufactured machines that bathe cows. Once again, completely out of context with the other panelists questions. Judge for yourselves; just a suspicion I had after viewing many of these episodes.
Respectfully, some of the ladies' answers revealed they sometimes touched people, sometimes men and women at the same time, and they moved about s they performed their jobs which sometimes required athletics.
I've always believed there was some sort of tip-off during the shows since you cannot have the panelists target accuracy average dip below certain percent or they'd lose audience and they would demand a replacement of some if the panelists. The Goodman/Toddman team want them to look like "experts". Bennet and Arlene come up with occupations out of thin air as well. I imagine they pay off the guests full $50. Behind the scenes as well.
After watching over 200 episodes, I really can't agree. I seen them miss many people. I think one consideration is there were just a lot fewer types of jobs that people could work at back then. They frequently get police officers because police officers work for a non-profit organization and interact with the public and the public is often not happy to see them. Also, I've done a bit of research and the show was never touched by that kind of scandal. Dorothy took the games pretty seriously. And she was really smart.
I don't think Daly heard Merv and Arlene muttering about Peggy Cass there. As the viewer we get the wrong impression of how it must've sounded stage at the time.
I was 15 years old in 1963, but when I see the women's hairstyles of that time period here in August, 2024, I not sure whether to again embrace their "classy" look or laugh at how seemingly ridiculous they now appear to my present eye. Oh, well..., so what!
A man who sells just bathroom scales? I wonder if he was door to door or worked in a department store. But if he worked in a department store, surely they would give him something else to do between customers, no? Maybe he swept up?
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Peggy Cass was a joy! she enjoyed her appearance more than any guest I have ever seen
I agree
Diane Boag is my mom, and Linda is my aunt! Mom will turn 79 in about a month and my aunt will kill me if I say her age.
How nice that this episode is preserved. Lovely and classy ladies. I wonder what they earned $$ for appearing in addition to the $25, and what was the audition process like?
Wow, how magnificent! They are beautiful & 1960's fashionable.
How lovely, to see your mom and Aunt on television!
Thank you for your awesome comment!
Very unusual to see any policewomen in '63. If there were any back then in the U.S., they may have been mostly behind a desk in an administrative position instead of on the street in uniform and more so in carrying a weapon and baton. It would have been striking to see a policewoman for me and others in that pre-feminist era that was soon to dramatically change!
What a great voice Peggy used!!! She probably was a really fun and nice person...
What a powerhouse show this was with class, dignity and professionalism all the way around, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!
Peggy Cass is a lot of fun here!
***** That's for sure she was! This is the first time I couldn't figure out whether there was a male/female sound behind the disguised voice of a mystery guest. She was awesome!
She would have been a good replacement for Dorothy- bright, funny, personable.
She really wanted to win didn't she. Most celebs are a bit ambivalent, they want to win but want to be guessed as well.
She sure got excited every time she got a "no" and every time she saw that she had thrown them off track. I think part of it was Peggy's personality. She always impressed me as a bubbly, fun and down to earth person. But I also think that her being part of the panel of another Goodson-Todman show also contributed to her reaction. I can picture a little friendly rivalry between the panels of WML, TTTT and IGAS. With WML being the oldest and perhaps the most prestigious of those three long-running shows, her ability to stick it to them was golden.
And then when Merv Griffin said her name during Arlene's turn, because Arlene was talking about the animal act, the panel interpreted the audience's reaction as totally related to animals instead of Merv getting it right. I almost lost it when he guessed Alan Young instead of Peggy. I'd include that as a top WML moment.
@@loissimmons6558 I loved watching all 3 of those great game shows, and another one in the late afternoon M-F after school: "You Don't Say" (1963-67) hosted by Tom Kennedy, brother to fellow game show host Jack Narz.
Miss Cass, a regular panelist on the original TTTT from 1962-68, was a hoot; along with Miss Francis's elegance, Miss Killgallen's charm & hairdo, Mr. Cerf's wit, Mr. Griffin's humor, and Mr. Daly's typical verbosity! Timeless entertainment- thank you!
Peggy Cass was so much a part of my youth. It seems she was everywhere, "To Tell The Truth, "Password", Carson, and lots more. She was always fun to watch.
+dylan plantenga I think that Match Game was the one show Peggy wasn't on.
+Anthony Latino She was on the earliest version.
@@anthonylatino1408 You will be surprised to know that Peggy was the very first guest along with WML alumni Peter Lind Hayes in the TV pilot of The Match Game back in 1962 with Gene Rayburn. The format and questions come off much tamer and less racy compared to the 70's programs. ua-cam.com/video/EsJzfCmfoAY/v-deo.html
You should see Peggy’s brilliant performance as Agnes Gooch in AUNTIE MAME (1959) co-starring with Rosalind Russell. Peggy was nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar and she richly deserved it.
Enjoyed hearing John's comment on the president's physical fitness idea. It is more needed in recent years than it was in the early-'60s when there were far less overweight or obese people than I see now. Another bygone reference to an era that is sorely missed by those such as I who remember America at its very peak of its existence, with peace and increasing prosperity!
It was an illusion, worse than anything created by Walt Disney.
Loved Dorothy and Arlene always looks elegant and like she takes care of herself.
The policewomen are so naturally beautiful! :-)
“I lived” A quote from Auntie Mame via Ms Cass. She was very talented and funny
Merv was still hosting a live 55 minute daytime talk show on NBC when this show was taped. It began the same day, in the same studio as Johnny Carson's "Tonight" show, Oct.1st, 1962.
The whole show is pure class.
Miss Gooch from Auntie Mame!
I wonder if the panelists had a chance to talk to the guests afterwards (in particular the mystery guests). They sometimes seemed so fascinated by them. I got the impression they would have loved to have more of a conversation with them (especially some who were legends of some sort). Also too bad the audience usually didn't get much chance to hear more from some of the guests.
Videotaped on March 3, 1963, immediately prior to that night's live taping.
They taped and then re-taped the episode? Did they tape you as well?
Pebbles Kilgallen. What a cutie.
I always loved Peggy Cass. What a fun person.
This is the third time Bennett has used the "ham and X" pun. 11/3/57 (Douglas Leigh) and 8/20/61 (Jaques Picard). and now. Each time it's been when there's a contestant who signed in as X and the panel is not blindfolded. Wonder if Bennett EVER passed up an opportunity to use this one? I'd bet not.
Yes, I noted that also since I watched the Picard episode yesterday. Thanks for posting this though; I thought both times he was saying "Ham and Eggs" and was wondering why people laughed at the remark. Time to get new speakers for my desktop I guess.
Variety performers at the time dined out on the same jokes told in all the nightclubs for their entire careers. So I guess Bennett thinks he can do the same with his ham and eggs quip. Repetition is funny after all!!
I'm waiting to see if he turns it around to mention the book he inspired, "Green X and Ham".
Good show! I had to text my ex-husband who grew up in southern Ontario and show him a picture of Diane and Linda, but he didn’t know them. LOL
Why would he?
How the hell did Dorothy out of the blue determine they were in law enforcement!!! A remarkable woman!!!!!!!
Wasn't that impressive? I think that both Dorothy and Arlene have most often proved to be the sharpest of the four panelists (and this is from a 75-year-old guy's perspective, by the way). I have watched a number of these episodes over the last several months, so I have become convinced that, generally speaking, women are smarter, more intuitive, and a bit more insightful than us men, let's face it.
@@daler.steffy1047 she was a natural detective.
There's one pre-taped episode, in which the fact it was such, could not have been anymore obvious:
The September 1, 1963 episode, which was taped on June 23. In that episode, Arlene was seen with her right-arm still in a sling, hidden underneath a cape.
Ha!!! I just saw that and was thinking the exact same thing, thinking I was imagining things.
Mr. Heidsieck's making champagne must make people good looking, a very well groomed and handsome family line. They must also consume their grapes as part of a healthy diet. I had a client who lived to be 102 years old and every evening she had her champagne cocktail. Lol! A very ovely lady.
Wow around the six minute mark that's the clearest and best lit view of Kilgallen's striking face we've had yet. Lovely!
I love Merv's comment about the gum commercial. I remember Doublemint Gum commercials fondly.
I enjoy some of the old shows.
One of my favorite parts of To Tell The Truth was the byplay between Peggy Cass and Orson Bean. I thought they had great chemistry together and I would have loved to see them in a sitcom.
I Loved Orson Bean, his looks and his quick wit.
Sharp as a tack till his sad end I'll bet. Loved him!
I Loved Peggy Cass raspy voice and her appearance in one of the Gidget movies:" Gidget Goes Hawaiian" with James Darren and Deborah Walley as Gidget.
Love watching Orson and his then wife, Carolyn who was also just as sharp on the game show: "Tattletales" also favorite couple was Elaine Joyce and Bobby Van, and Betty White and Allen Ludden.
@@tinat9486 I also went through the run of 'Tattletales' episodes (the 70's version) and I agree with you completely. Especially Elaine Joyce and Bobby Van. Orson and Carolyn were also great. Side note of no interest - my uncle used to tell me about Peggy Cass coming into the bank where he worked.
*_MAKES CHAMPAGNE_*
*_POLICEWOMEN IN TORONTO, CANADA_*
*_SELLS BATHROOM SCALES_*
Peggy got robbed of the Oscar for "Auntie Mame"!!!
I disagree. As good as Peggy Cass's performance as Agnes Gooch is in "Auntie Mame," Wendy Hiller turns in a truly remarkable and wonderful performance as Miss Cooper in "Separate Tables" - and more than earned the Oscar that year.
Dorothy being a little catty with the weight shot at Pierre Salinger, surprised to hear Daly repeat it. Very coincidental because I was just looking at the episode date (thanks for posting it) and waiting for the eps four months from then when the world changed. Like the shows surrounding Dorothy's death, it's interesting to see the before and after programs.
Well, I just looked it up and I guess we won't see any bereavement around November 22/63. Looks like the November 24th show was preempted (obviously) and the Dec 1 show was prerecorded on November 3rd. The next show to air was on December 8, two weeks after the assassination.
jethro1963 Yeah with that dig at Pierre Salinger it was another example of stuff we would not see on a game show these days. (And this one might be a change for the better. )
A LITTLE CATTY???
Her and Arlene were bitches!!!
jethro1963 - I refuse to watch the episodes after Dorothy was killed. Too heartbreaking.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Killed?
@@shirleyrombough8173 me too🥺🥺
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I think there's a reason this episode is less than 25 minutes in length: There was originally a brief shot where Daly told the viewers how one could be a contestant on this show.
GSN might have edited it out. As they do with virtually every other non-original series.
No, I don't think that's it, Vahan. The bit where John tells viewers how to write in was snipped out of *all* the shows by GSN except in the early-ish ones from the 1950s. It's not at all uncommon for episodes of WML to be under 25 minutes. They range, usually, from 24 to 26 minutes, with no real indication of why the lengths vary.
Basically, any episode that clocks in close to 24 minutes or more, we can assume are basically complete, not counting cases where bits were snipped out for the WML at 25 special and not replaced. In the rare cases where an entire segment is missing, the shows are at least 3 minutes short.
Some of this variation, I think, has to do with how much of John's segues to commercials were clipped out. If he said simply, "And now a word from our sponsor", we'd maybe lose a second or two of video before where the commercial would have come in. But if he made direct reference to the sponsor, or ever said anything *after* his initial mention of the sponsor, it's probably all just been snipped out for simplicity's sake, so in these cases, a bit more time would be shaved off. Just speculating again, though, as I've only seen a handful of unedited shows.
WML must have been tough to direct on live TV. A nightmare. Syndicated WML rehearsed episodes with a stand-in panel sometime before the actual taping session. However, this program went out on live TV with plenty of preparation before hand, but neither the producer nor the director could predict how long the panel would take to solve -- or not. I remember one contestant that took 12 minutes. I remember contestants that panelists cracked in less than a minute. And it is impossible to predict -- without "gambits" -- if any of it is going to be funny. Some episodes just lie there, but Fates, the production staff, and Heller must have been geniuses in preparing what they could prepare.
soulierinvestments From what I gathered from a defunct episode guide on the Syndicated era, it taped 5 episodes on a once-a-week average (usually either Tuesday or Thursday), within an average of an 8-month period.
Taping on the Syndicated era began exactly 310 days later, after the live taping of the finale of the original series.
***** The syndicated WML definitely did tape a full week's worth of five shows in a single day. Fates goes on at somewhat interminable length in his book on WML about the production details of the syndicated version. Much of this would have been legitimately interesting new info to people reading the book in the 1970s, but in this day and age, it gets a bit tedious. People nowadays fully understand the exigencies of taping shows in advance and syndicated distribution. Reading page after page of explanations of how they mailed the videotapes around the country, or why they still aired shows with Bennett shortly after he died, got a bit tedious for me, personally. That's my only major criticism of this otherwise excellent book-- this, and the excessive detail he offers on the process of putting together the WML at 25 special (I think the last 50 or so pages of the book are entirely about the special).
Anyhow, he made it very clear in the book that the syndicated show was taped a full week at a time, the panelists often getting progressively drunker as the shows were recorded. They strategically inserted alcohol-related segments, e.g., wine tasting, in order to "loosen up" the panelists once they realized the entertainment-enhancing effect it often had. This, of course, wouldn't have worked unless they taped a whole week's worth of shows in one go.
What's My Line? And the instant success of the new WML was what prompted Goodson & Todman to revive "To Tell the Truth" for Syndication a year later in 1969, which I think many people have said was even better than the original Bud Collyer version.
I don't think my parents were watching this episode. Too busy gazing at their baby girl. This was aired on my birthday.
RE Pun in the first game: I think the pun is the highest form of humor - - but OH Bennett!
I thought it was generally agreed upon by scholars that the highest form of humor is a man getting hit in the groin by a football. After that, puns.
soulierinvestments A pun is to comedy as a kazoo is to classical music. Just my humble opinion of course. ;)
+Jeff Vaughn In other words, a great thing if used well. :)
(I say as a classically trained musician.)
I think he'd used that pun before though…
@@WhatsMyLine As demonstrated in his films, especially with houses and trains, Buster Keaton thought the highest form of humor was a man walking up to a banana peel and just before he was about to step on it and slide on his butt, he walked around it.
I think a pun is that thing which provides the highest degree of mirth to the speaker and the highest degree of misery to the listeners.
Peggy did a bang up job! So funny!
Hmm... a literal "Champagne Charlie!"
Bennett asks the policewoman sisters at 12:12 "are there any more at home like you?" He's quoting the second line of the most famous song from a legendary musical comedy of 1899/1900: "Florodora", in which the six Florodora Girls are asked, "Tell me, pretty maiden, are there any more at home like you?" by six gentlemen of the cast. I was musical director for a revival of the show a few years ago, and you can see our performance of the number on UA-cam ... I'll put the link into a reply to this message since UA-cam won't let me search now while writing this comment.
Here's the song and dance "Tell Me, Pretty Maiden" mentioned in my previous message: ua-cam.com/video/IvlgSA9INx8/v-deo.html It's a catchy tune, and very flirty lyrics for the late Victorian era. The last lines are "I must love someone, really, and it might as well be you." You can see me conducting in the corner of some of the camera angles.
The introduction led me to think Dorothy had fallen in again....
Lars Rye Jeppesen Yep. She struggles with jaw seizures on the word 'publishing' or 'publisher' or 'dictionary'....so introducing Cerf is an obstacle course for her.
I haven’t seen Peggy Cass in centuries! Did you know she talked to her plants?!
So do ! 😁
Merv really had the "it" factor. Best entrance by a guest panelist I've seen.
Merv and his wife invented the unique game show Jeopardy! Where the answer is given, but you have to formulate the question for it!
I saw Peggy on Broadway in The Octet Bridge Club. She sang a song How Could Red Riding Hood Have Been So Very Good and Lead the Wolf to Her Door? I know she also sang in the show 42nd Street.
One of Peggy Cass’s great TV appearances. Talk about bamboozling the panel. I am old enough to remember viewing the Peggy Cass -- Jack Weston sitcom “The Hathaways,” which ran in the 1961-1962 season. Brace yourself: a couple raises three chimpanzees as if they were kids. This accounts for the laughter in her appearance in reference to animals. In retrospect, the “Hathaway” concept was not as funny as it sounds. I must have been the only person who watched it, for ABC cancelled it after 26 episodes.
soulierinvestments I watched it too. There were 3 chimps. 2 boys and a girl. I don't think you'll ever see a chimp dressed in human clothes anymore.
I watched The Hathaways when I was 6/7 years old. It was scheduled after The Flintstones on Fridays. I believe The Hathaways was replaced the following season by "I'm Dickens-He's Fenster (a sitcom about a couple of carpenters) starring John Astin (Gomez Addams of Addams Family) and Marty Ingles who would later marry Shirley Jones.
I was a little kid, so I appreciated the Hathaways.
Watched every episode of 'The Hathaways'. (Also Dickens/Fenster).
I haven’t thought or heard of that show since when it was on the air in 62. Thanks for refreshing my memory after over 60 years!!
I was trying to think who Mr. X (the first contestant) reminded me of. It was some movie star, then it came to me...Robert Taylor. Does anyone else see that?
Joe Postove Yes, I can see a likeness.
He was certainly a fine looking man.
I see Louis Jourdan.
Yes the sharp resemblance could be seen with Mr. Taylor on the facial structure. About Louise Jordan Mr. X's face was longer while Mr. Jordan's face was smaller than him.
The last thing I personally saw Peggy Cass in was way back in 1989 when she was in the pilot for Major Dad. For some reason though she wasn't part of the cast, which may have been just as well, since the one who did play the role she would have had was only in the first season. Too bad really, I thought she could have contributed much to the show.
Peggy was really superb fooling them!!!!!
Merv guesses the wrong Heidsieck when he asks if the first challenger's first name is Piper. I don't drink champagne (except for a sip at my brother's wedding for the toast), but I have heard of Piper Heidsieck. I have not heard of Charles Heidsieck.
And yet after they had determined champagne, comes the question: Are you domestic? Domestic champagne is an oxymoron (except of course in France)
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Peggy Cass had a wonderful thick head of hair! ❣️
I have heard of Heidsich champagne as well as his colleague Mr Piper.
What did Peggy Cass do?
🎂Peggy Cass 05-21-2022
Bennett Cerf great, abstruse, bombasticated vocabulary is very similar to today’s George Will!!!
Peggy Cass will always be my Agnes Gooch!
Dorothy is beginning to look a little under the weather. Something that I think becomes more and more apparent in later episodes. Presumably she'd had a few before the show.
***** This is a pre-taped episode. It was taped on March 3, 1963, before her next relapse.
Thereafter, Dorothy attended each and every taping, until 1965.
I like to play my own game within a game "Who's in the Bag" and it ain't always Dottie. Everybody looked ok this episode.
***** I though Dorothy was going to sneeze when introducing Merv. Merv does look nice here. I had only ever seen him before in the Steve Martin film, The Man With Two Brains playing the part of a murderer.
TheGadgetPanda - I don't know where those rumors about Dorothy came from. She never looks under the influence to me and I don't think she cheated. The stakes were not high enough to pay off.
It might have helped if Dorothy hadn’t worn bows on her head like a child or.. a clown.
I've always hated Dorothy's hair style from this period on I can't stand that thing on top of her head the 1950s hair style that she wore was always so more attractive.
Jealous, much?
Someone needs to tell Dorothy, discreetly, that she has dead racoon on her head.
So cruel. . . but so true. ;)
SOMEONE SHOULD GET HER A GOOD STYLIST!!
My God was he cute!
Miss Agnes Gooch!
I've been binge watching WML now for the last 7 days. At first I thought Dorothy Kilgallen was the sharpest panelist. She does seem to uncover the most occupations of all the panelists. However, over the last few days I've noted that on occasion, she just comes out of nowhere with the pertinent line of questioning which allows her to "unmask" the visitor to the show. Watch the questioning of the Boag's by the panelists. It was all over the place. There is NOTHING in it that would lead a questioner to ask "Have you anything to do with the law?" Yet somehow Dorothy decides to pursue this line of questioning and arrive at the correct occupation. So, either she can read minds, has an IQ of 184 or she's gotten a "tip-off" from a snitch. Last night I watched her come out of left field with the question "Is this something that would be used on a farm?" when the contestant manufactured machines that bathe cows. Once again, completely out of context with the other panelists questions. Judge for yourselves; just a suspicion I had after viewing many of these episodes.
Respectfully, some of the ladies' answers revealed they sometimes touched people, sometimes men and women at the same time, and they moved about s they performed their jobs which sometimes required athletics.
I've always believed there was some sort of tip-off during the shows since you cannot have the panelists target accuracy average dip below certain percent or they'd lose audience and they would demand a replacement of some if the panelists. The Goodman/Toddman team want them to look like "experts". Bennet and Arlene come up with occupations out of thin air as well. I imagine they pay off the guests full $50. Behind the scenes as well.
After watching over 200 episodes, I really can't agree.
I seen them miss many people. I think one consideration is there were just a lot fewer types of jobs that people could work at back then.
They frequently get police officers because police officers work for a non-profit organization and interact with the public and the public is often not happy to see them.
Also, I've done a bit of research and the show was never touched by that kind of scandal. Dorothy took the games pretty seriously. And she was really smart.
Peggy married an ex-priest.
Watch Arlene ask the champagne guy for samples!
In my opinion this could be the worst hair do Dorothy ever had
Yes, it sure looked silly. Pebbles indeed!
Jealous, much?
@@kennethlatham3133 nope
@@vickimilo5185 Like I was serious.
haha, take a look at YOURS !
Merv was so cute!
I don't think Daly heard Merv and Arlene muttering about Peggy Cass there. As the viewer we get the wrong impression of how it must've sounded stage at the time.
oh, they heard alright, davey... they were quick to move along!
I use my bathroom scale every day. I have to battle those pesky extra pounds every day before they make themselves at home.
😂 Was Dorothy trying to catch birds with her hair?
So how did Bennett guess Peggy?
Bennett is talking to policewomen and he calls them girls.
If only they showed em off the original 35mm prints with the commercals of the time and the station identification.
I'm sure there's a joke somewhere in there about the two policewomen and a couple of busts.
sweiland75 - Oh groan.
I was 15 years old in 1963, but when I see the women's hairstyles of that time period here in August, 2024, I not sure whether to again embrace their "classy" look or laugh at how seemingly ridiculous they now appear to my present eye. Oh, well..., so what!
*The voice Peggy Cass is using here sounds like Marge Simpson's sisters.*
no surprise Arlene loved the 1st contestant's line
Boy the first guest got his ego handed to him! Yeah SO famous his name wasn't even a consideration LOL
It’s so wonderful not to a hear a word from our (detestable) sponsor!!!
In 1963 there was no such thing as police women!
A man who sells just bathroom scales? I wonder if he was door to door or worked in a department store. But if he worked in a department store, surely they would give him something else to do between customers, no? Maybe he swept up?
wholesaler to retailers?
Good answer!
Joe Postove "Survey says. . . ?"
Sorry, wrong show.
***** Piano scales? Fish scales?
Get another chair..geeze
Merv Griffin. Oh yeah. Early Luscious Period. [;^>) too bad, {WML} he didn’t do well in television.
And he liked men better than his wife.
@@hopelewis5650 So what? We are everywhere; get used to it.
He used women as a cover. A total faker. @@hopelewis5650