As well as a rebalance, I think they really need to address the amount of time Hydra takes each week. If you're serious about Hydra Clash, you likely have 3 teams that can hit turn cap (or fairly close), which is a few hours if you don't have auto teams. It just makes the whole thing a chore. Any easy fix would be to reduce the turn cap from 1500 to something more sensible. They also need to get rid of that stupid quest to use a Hydra key.
absolutely agree with the hydra key quest needing to go. even with auto teams sometimes it takes 3+ 1:15 runs just to get a solid key. the turn count thing is fair but i think i speak for everyone that until we get adjusted seeing our numbers cut by 1/3 or more might hurt, and thats probably why everyone including myself in the past have spoken against it
The hydra thing is something they struck gold on. They have us scratching for shard pieces hitting normal with 3 keys to cheese and win. There is no real incentive to compete.
The main problem with clash is the way the points are scored, instead of having the damage multiplied by x1, x2, x3 and x4 there should be a clash point score for the overall damage. This number should substantially lower that the damage numbers multiplied and all added up. This will prevent one person doing 100bn clash points and sniping in the last hour. You should get for example get 100pts for getting top chest on each difficulty, then for every 10m more you get 1 extra point until you hit 100m, then you get an additional 1 point for every 100m points until youhit 1bn then you get 1 extra point for every 1bn. This will reward clans more evenly imo
not sure I believe they will ever put rewards for 4th or 5th. This was a clear problem from the 1st month of Hydra Clash, and it takes only a few hours of coding time to fix. This could have been done this at any point including today, but they actively choose not to. This is the greed of plarium that makes folks so angry. I am typically a pretty positive person when it comes to this game, but that release basically read as, We Plarium will again create a bigger problem, but don't worry we will sell you a solution to that problem we are creating. Woo Hoo.
Giving rewards to everyone will drop the sweating over getting the highest scores. That's a very big win. Now it will really be: Do as much as you need if you want to or go all out. Good change
Yeah, this is kind of a problem that none of the CC even notice/mention. Having the rewards based on huge amounts of damage just keeps most of the playerbase from progressing.
Same, I'm the only one who can get us some Hydra clash chest with my Yannica team and that would greatly affect our clan entirely since most of the guys there are in early game
@@Slider6 wat? noone gets kept away from progession? you get your mithrala fragments from the hydra chest, not from the hydra clash. Its a p2w gacha game, go cash or dont, but dont expect to be doing as much as the megalodon whales
@@cjhaedaten8711 how would it affect your clan? you don't get mithrala fragments from clash, just from the chests. your yannica team wont to shit against 3 p2w clans?
Trunda is the problem not Hydra. Put Hephraak in same spot as Trunda with all the other reset champs and stuff i bet he wont do 10% the dmg Trunda do. Its so simple to fix the problem but still they refuse to fix it.
why is it a problem? Its a p2w gacha game, either you have the champions or you dont. If you dont, just cash in. Just try to improve your team over time, you wont ever win against megalodon whales?
@@maxr9380 How much money you got isn't the problem, if there's only one winning strategy any competitive game becomes boring. Especially when it's low execution like an autobattler.
Champion Balance has been their worst trait since I started almost 5 years ago. They release 10-15 new legos a year, diluting the pool... and they should balance heros every 6 weeks.
i think they will introduce mechanic like in CB -> longer you play, stronger the hydra will be. so you will not able to reach turn 1500 -> less iterations on Trunda
You really don’t understand Hydra if you think survival is the aim. These Trunda teams are here for a fun time not a long time! The hit insane damage out the gate
@@nathanielgray1466 Not true. But the other guy is also not correct. Trunda teams work by killing the heads constantly, even through their respawn buff. Trunda teams easily make the turn limit because the heads are always dead. Unless they massively increased the hydra head hp over time or something (which causes other issues), Trunda would still dominate.
That would be stupid considering the heads will try to eat you more often the longer the fight goes on and that will likely have no effect on Trunda team since the heads can barely attack and the boss turns pretty much moves forward because of the head respawn
Have a nice holiday! It’s about time they did something about how broken Hydra Clash is. Though it’s a bad look to have nerfed Rares without a thought to the underlying issue with the mode and only take a look at other options once lots of Legendaries can do the same thing.
I feel it needs a hydra head to increase cds on toons that would counter the yumiko set up along with the infinity shield comp styles to counter the outrageous things happening in hydra or make yumiko effect not affect similar characters of the same name
This is the best oportunity to change the Head of Torment fear mechanic that only 2 or 3 champs can deal with ... Make it so when the head is under poison attacking wont cause fear or whatever any mechanic added to that head
I'll try and be brief since my opinions on this have been shared previously. Option 1: While I do agree that the primary issue with Trunda teams is Trunda (full stop), you could in theory change some hydra specific interaction to reduce her power level. What that would be, I have no clue. Option 2: The main reason I'm not a fan of simply adjusting the multipliers is exactly because Normal can outpace NM with the right comp. (Fake numbers) If you had a 15B normal key and a 300m NM key, with current multipliers you'd still be off by a factor of 12.5. So should NM be 48x Normal? Doubtful. However, combined with other tweaks that could a cherry on top to push the focus towards NM as was intended. It sounds like they are not in favor of caps or any tiered system, so I won't expound on the benefits I see there. Option 3: I still think this should be the number 1 approach and screw the folks who'd complain, but they've shown reluctance for this approach so we shall see where this goes. Option 4: Yes. Low hanging fruit that should be done regardless and quickly.
Amazing news. I have a half decent Trunda team but this is well overdue. Hydra itself isn't the problem though, I'm still looking forward to see what they come up with. Enjoy your holiday.
Hydra is totally the problem. If you want to compete you have to manually play 1500 boss turns. Thats boring and insane. Cap boss turns to max 500 or bring some new preset functions to run it on auto.
Sorry Nub, but you can't shake that you are a Plarium apologist! We aren't haters, we are realists. The game itself works to screw players over. Anything we start excelling at, they find a way to shut it down. In clan quests they only offer energy purchase with coins for CVC reset. Accident? Please do a colab with someone who pushes back on Plarium, but until then you and many CCS are clearly pro-Plarium.
I think the big problem with any sort of 'cap' is it'd be more realistically possible for there to be ties in clash. Sure you can coordinate it now in very small clans with 1 participant, but clans with 30 players hitting that cap will just tie.
For Hydra Clash, they should change the matchmaking so that it takes your average clan points scored from the previous 3-4 weeks. By using average, this would still give harder matchups for good clans when they only dump every other clash. It should also keep them from getting matched up with lower end clans unless they dump 4 straight.
I think making other options other than Shamael is a good thing. If its not Firrol or Shamael in to fight torment it always feels like a giant loss of dps on a hydra team.
The comment about a champion being so much better in Hydra, my first thought was Shamael. I am worried they are gonna nerf him because he is somewhat accessible. They dont nerf the whale groups, but accesible stuff like corpulent and madman they kill
Dont think they will nerf him. Theres so few current champs to deal with fear. Further shamael teams arent the problem they trying to fix. Its the insane dmg output from a few broken teams
The main problem is clash has incentives for crazy numbers and doing those causes issues to other players abilities to compete on an even footing. Pre clash no one cares what numbers you put up beyond getting top chest. As far as caps they could do a per hit cap that is high but not out of the realm of game design, this would still make Trunda best in slot maybe but not exponentially better. Also making it where the spawn buff the heads have also has an unkillable like effect where the head cant pop until the head takes a turn which would at least make the mechanics have a moment to play out.
imo, the hydra clan clash should be done as follows. Don't base clan rank based on damage. Base it on clan involvement. More clan members involved = ranked higher. Give each chest reward of each difficulty of hydra a reward point. For each chest each clan member can get to, that is the point the overall clan can get. This would urge players to aim for higher difficulties and doesn't grant an instant win for anyone with 1 "busted" hydra team. If hydra clash was done this way, the only problem would be if 2+ clans in the clash all had full roster all active and all clearing the same difficulties. This would mean a tie, which I'm unsure how a tie breaker would happen, but maybe someone else can figure that part out. For the progressive chance champs, I just recently got into 3v3 silver 4 and even in silver 3, I was starting to see a lot of Goffreds in teams. More so in Silver 4 than I saw in silver 3.
I had my account for awhile but started playing somewhat "fulltime" end of UDK login (barely got him) and I would like to say plarium won't nerf a champ unless it's a free or chance to get one champ. They won't nerf trunda but they'll nerf a boss that is not the problem. They don't realize they are trying to make money by keeping op pay-to-win champs but they lack the sight to see it will probably lose them more in the end
These mechanics that are causing issues, like Trunda, Ironclad and Wixwell + Yannica are really fun! The issue is that Hydra Clash doesn't give you anything for losing, so the fun is only for the winners. As long as places 4th and 5th provide at least 1 Stoneskin/Protection accessory, it really wouldn't matter. Everyone is able to get at least something, and the few that are able to play around with these fun mechanics don't cause issue for those that can't...simple.
I think you completely misunderstand what a complaint is vs him breaking down the changes and providing his thoughts as a CC is supposed to do. When he says complaining, he is talking about the people that just get their panties in a twist for any reason without providing anything of substance to the discourse.
@maxr9380 Why should we care about the 1% outlier clans ? Yall talk like every clan has members, just max turning NM Brutal and Hard , that's simply just not true . Normal clans you know not in the top 1k have no problems because none of those clans are getting 3billion points for their whole clan . Unless you nerf gear nothing will change unless they do what I have stated 🤷♂️
@@brad201291 why should we care about the other 1% outlier clans where it isn't competetive? not a single clash since cvc were dominated by someone playing trunda, every cvc was kinda competetive?
The problem is the hydra, not necessarily any individual champ, it is the longest fight in the game - even an infinity demon lord team doesn't quite take that much time. And nub, every "broken" team has yumeko take it to ridiculous levels - it boosted cadaver to the moon, it boosts trunda to the moon - it is an issue that should be addressed if you want trunda addressed as well
modifying boss mechanics and re-evaluating rewards (lower minimum clash chest requirements, rewards for 4th & 5th place) would be highest on my list. IMHO set the champs who were individually nerfed back to their original state so all champs have a shot at making a Hydra team based on Plarium adjustments. I trust the Plarium team is looking at the possible change so Hydra heads are immune to damage when they regenerate until they take a turn.
Perhaps what they mean by “the problem lies in the hydra’s mechanics instead of the champions”, is that they want to put a damage cap on the hydra instead. This games has hundreds of champs and that list keeps growing and they have to keep bringing new and novel skill kits on champs or they are poorly received. So maybe to save them placing a damage cap on the current problem champs and then waiting till someone finds the next big-brain skill to manipulate and adding a damage cap to that newly found champ, they’re just going to place damage caps on hydra. All these crazy champs like trunda, ironclad, and yannica are only off the scale on hydra.
Saaph's fix for Trunda is probably the answer - Hydra heads are immune to damage when they regenerate until they take a turn. All of a sudden, you can't simply ignore Hydra mechanics.
"15 Trundas , it's that easy. That's how you win Hydra" OMG! I wish I had known it was that easy! I would have collected 15 Trundas long ago! lmao! Thanks for the vid Nubs! Have a great vacation!
The problem is not rebalancing champions, it is Plariums terrible compensation that comes along with it. If they nerf trunda and i get 10 lego skill tomes, 5 5* chickens, and essence to buy 1 to 6 star awakening from the shop I would be sad my champ is nerfed but at least i didn't throw away one years worth of iron twins and 10 champion training events.
well said. considering the amount of time and or money it takes to build a strong roster its fair to be mad when something that used to be good becomes invalid without proper compensation
They just need to pay Saph the big bucks already to do their job for them. He knows how the game works and can balance these champions before release. It would seriously solve so many issues, maybe throw Bronko in their too :)
Also not gunna lie to anyone pulling for this progressive. I pulled Goffred kinda early and he's actually super nice having bc if his aoe stun, his a3, and passive his God tier imo
I can’t get why they’re so slow with all the hydra stuff. It takes them months to change things and the first change will probably do almost nothing. But we’ll see, I try to stay positive and in the mean time I enjoy other parts of the game. Great vid and enjoy your day’s off!
The problem is not the champions. The problem is that they ADDED Hydra Clash in the first place. If that was not there then there would be no issue and people could have fun with this game agai.
If a champ or mechanic is broken, fix it. And if not, the issue is most likely just the way the content is structured and that's what needs fixing. So, I am all for them fixing the way Hydra Clash is structured to make the points fairer across the board.
I think the tax idea on the points is a great idea. People like to see big damage numbers, and dream of getting something absolutely amazing. That's basically the whole premise of the game-play for the Diablo franchise. Big numbers on damage give people who work hard at the game something to brag about. That being said, they need to balance a lot of the harder to get champions instead of having completely trash legos that crush peoples spirit when they get them.
Also, Trunda damage is insanely overtuned, and I'm not an apologist - however, my point still stands that big numbers go brrr with regards to exciting gameplay.
It’s really simple! Just make the chest for everyone if they can do top damage such as 650 million. I can guaranteed not many can get 650 million top score for all 3 keys.
Senna braveheart is the best Void lego.. change my mind.. people seriously under estimate her turn meter boost.. she allows you to go 3-4 times before the CB or hydra heads take a turn..
Eostrid has almost the exact same TM boost and inc spd skill while also bringing inc atk, dec spd, and weaken (and she hits relatively hard). Senna just brings continuous heals and a little extra tm boost from the heals, and a really weird revive with ally attack. I could see Senna putting in work with a buff extension comp so that your team is getting a constant tm boost from the continuous heals. And add in a 9 piece supersonic set for extra value. That seems strong. But to say she's the best void of all because of that is a stretch.
@@Ragnell123 Since I got Senna, I've gone from 1 key 50m UNM cb to 1key 150M UNM cb.. from 30Mil brutal to 170M brutal.. hydra.. honestly.. she's either broken and not working as intended, or she really is the most underated underused void lego out there..
@@angrycupra8636 I’m not saying she isn’t underrated. Speed control is very, very important. But she’s not the best void leggo just because of that. If you didn’t have a good speed control champ beforehand, she will make a big difference on your account. But so would a number of champs
@@Ragnell123 Yep funny thing is, I was using Eostrid as my turn meter boost until I got Senna.. Now I pair them together as both of their passives work amazing together :)
I understand Trunda is broken in Hydra... it is interesting that she really isn't used anywhere else even in her OP builds. You almost never see her in arena anymore and even when you do, she just isn't that scary.
Plarium knows exactly what the problem is and also how to fix it. All this bullshit is just made up to prolong the milking (i.e. Trunda champ and soul in several events) of the players. Inevitably they need to address Trunda and can then fairytale about their strategy.
I think the progressive tax system for increasing points is a great idea. 10% less points after the first 1B in any one key. 25% less points after the first 3B. 40% less points after 6B points. 50% less points after 10B points. 60% less points after 15B. 75% less points after 20B score. Something like that. They can play with the values. It would nerf all teams but make things more even.
I didnt pull for trunda bcuz I was scared they were going to nerf her. Been playing 5 years now and still don't have her. But I knew soon as I pulled her she would be destroyed.
I really don't think it's the champions problem, it's literally playing with the Hydra mechanics why these teams are working and some champion like Trunda is just broken and they know it yet they keep avoiding it so they can keep selling her...
So basically Plarium put out a whole lot of bullet points saying "We are aware players are irritated with Hydra clash and we may or may not get around fixing them and 4th and 5th place are still a bunch of losers but will give you a door prize so you will stop sniveling". More Plarium word vomit. Plarium daily announcement "Don't forget to pull all your shards and soulstones cause you could get top prize of a Trunda and a soul for her".
Trunda needs left alone! For what it takes to pull anything in this game we deserve to have broken champs. Why does it always come back on us to worry about it?
Same... We must be to blame for Trunda's OPness. Sure feels like being punished for something I've not done. I played for about a year, left when Hydra was introduced, come back after missing Wixwell, pull a Trunda and now she sounds like she's on the chopping block after all these years.
I’ve been struggling for about a month now and I used to better than this just making a chest is my goal idc as long I can get to chest without spending 4 hours switching people around to even get anything
Modifiying Hydra Battle mechanics is the only part that could be annoying. Alot of people (including me) just maxed champions for Hydra specifically. If they chance Head of Decay to not be provokable would be annoying af for example. Hydra Clash: nobody should even care, its a p2w game, always was, always will be. You'll never be able to win against the megalodon whales, so why would you even care about trunda or yumeko teams. If you care, just cash, if you dont want to, stop playing :D
Considering their game design team is a cage full of drunk monkeys I'm not holding my breath, but this not nerfing Trunda situation is out of control. Looks like they'd stop selling shards before doing it. If you wanna have a competitive game mode, you're gonna need game balance, and that's the bottom line. Otherwise you just end up with a slot machine.
They really just need to scrap this clan vs clan crap. All it does is cause anger and manipulation. Just ditch the whole Hydra Clash and move the rewards to a clan initiative for individual clans weekly. The Trunda progressive part made me LOL for real!
No, let’s be clear before anything else, hydras mechanics are broken and they have been from the get-go. And irresistible fear every time you hit one head is insane. The fact that there are maybe five champs in the entire game that helps you deal with this, so. The game mode is broken entirely aside from clash.
Dear Plarium, please give a free Trunda for everyone, Then maybe I can forget how many void shards I couldn't unlock the last missing Rare for the Mikage Fusion
I'm for letting Hydra just be a clash of broken champs. If Plarium just stopped nerfing all the teams players come up with, we'd have 20 teams that could compete with Trunda at this point. But they keep nerfing the Corpulent Cadavers and others, making Trunda the only viable broken team.
the problem not hydra , the problem is hydra clash big difference , what hydra mechanics they will change if they changed how my teams work , no more hydra for me no more build champs for hydra also will change clan to a clan that doesn't care or do hydra , so also putting trunda in all summoning events , also while they at nerfing champs nerf all of them pls trunda, yumeko ,shadowking mythical champ in hydra , taras in arena and others same principle too op in areas in the game , if u introduced something that enables champs to be op in that area then u should nefed them fast or don't nerf them later simple , also nubs u seem so happy , wish u good luck bro
Forgive me, I didn't view the whole vid but I did drop off a like... is there a new Hydra Head yet? It's been nearly 3 years... I know there's reason the 6 month timeframe couldn't happen... but 3 years? Maybe I'm exaggerating, but it's at least 2 years.
I think Saph suggested changing the buff that hydra heads get after coming back so that they truly CANNOT be immediately nuked again so you have to play around the hydra's mechanics a bit. I think that potentially paired with a shorter turn limit (to help keep shield abuse teams in check) would be a pretty adequate baind-aid that would at least drastically impact these niche teams without dramatically impacting most others.
Honestly Trunda’s A2 is *only* broken in Hydra. Everywhere else in the game, it actually follows the 60% and didn’t double dip. It also doesn’t work with overkill damage, only damage actually inflicted everywhere aside from Hydra. Hydra decapitated heads have unlimited hp so the scaling gets silly
That's just wrong... The additional hit applies all damage bonuses again, not just in hydra, that's why she's broken. Also what's unlimited hp on decapitated heads got to do with anything?
He is right, her A3 is 1000 better than her A2 in arena, it always have been. That why she was op in arena years ago. It was never the A2 in arena like it is in hydra.
As well as a rebalance, I think they really need to address the amount of time Hydra takes each week. If you're serious about Hydra Clash, you likely have 3 teams that can hit turn cap (or fairly close), which is a few hours if you don't have auto teams. It just makes the whole thing a chore. Any easy fix would be to reduce the turn cap from 1500 to something more sensible. They also need to get rid of that stupid quest to use a Hydra key.
absolutely agree with the hydra key quest needing to go. even with auto teams sometimes it takes 3+ 1:15 runs just to get a solid key. the turn count thing is fair but i think i speak for everyone that until we get adjusted seeing our numbers cut by 1/3 or more might hurt, and thats probably why everyone including myself in the past have spoken against it
The hydra thing is something they struck gold on. They have us scratching for shard pieces hitting normal with 3 keys to cheese and win. There is no real incentive to compete.
The main problem with clash is the way the points are scored, instead of having the damage multiplied by x1, x2, x3 and x4 there should be a clash point score for the overall damage. This number should substantially lower that the damage numbers multiplied and all added up. This will prevent one person doing 100bn clash points and sniping in the last hour.
You should get for example get 100pts for getting top chest on each difficulty, then for every 10m more you get 1 extra point until you hit 100m, then you get an additional 1 point for every 100m points until youhit 1bn then you get 1 extra point for every 1bn. This will reward clans more evenly imo
not sure I believe they will ever put rewards for 4th or 5th. This was a clear problem from the 1st month of Hydra Clash, and it takes only a few hours of coding time to fix. This could have been done this at any point including today, but they actively choose not to. This is the greed of plarium that makes folks so angry. I am typically a pretty positive person when it comes to this game, but that release basically read as, We Plarium will again create a bigger problem, but don't worry we will sell you a solution to that problem we are creating. Woo Hoo.
Giving rewards to everyone will drop the sweating over getting the highest scores. That's a very big win. Now it will really be: Do as much as you need if you want to or go all out. Good change
I'm mad and I haven't even watched the video!
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This!!!!!
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I hope they don't cap points per difficulty. Only one guy in our clan can even think about hard, everyone else is on easy mode.
Yeah, this is kind of a problem that none of the CC even notice/mention. Having the rewards based on huge amounts of damage just keeps most of the playerbase from progressing.
Same, I'm the only one who can get us some Hydra clash chest with my Yannica team and that would greatly affect our clan entirely since most of the guys there are in early game
You won't have to worry about hitting the cap. This is for people doing billions of damage.
@@Slider6 wat? noone gets kept away from progession? you get your mithrala fragments from the hydra chest, not from the hydra clash. Its a p2w gacha game, go cash or dont, but dont expect to be doing as much as the megalodon whales
@@cjhaedaten8711 how would it affect your clan? you don't get mithrala fragments from clash, just from the chests. your yannica team wont to shit against 3 p2w clans?
Trunda is the problem not Hydra. Put Hephraak in same spot as Trunda with all the other reset champs and stuff i bet he wont do 10% the dmg Trunda do. Its so simple to fix the problem but still they refuse to fix it.
why is it a problem? Its a p2w gacha game, either you have the champions or you dont. If you dont, just cash in. Just try to improve your team over time, you wont ever win against megalodon whales?
@@maxr9380 How much money you got isn't the problem, if there's only one winning strategy any competitive game becomes boring. Especially when it's low execution like an autobattler.
@@vyvy-16 not only 1 winning strategy, there are more than 1 trunda comp, you need the trunda but thats all, make a better team than the others.
Champion Balance has been their worst trait since I started almost 5 years ago. They release 10-15 new legos a year, diluting the pool... and they should balance heros every 6 weeks.
10-15 new legos a year its away more than that
If trunda doesn’t work after this, I bet I’m gonna pull her.
i think they will introduce mechanic like in CB -> longer you play, stronger the hydra will be. so you will not able to reach turn 1500 -> less iterations on Trunda
That would be stupid for the average player lmao
that would make trunda even better compared to rest xd
You really don’t understand Hydra if you think survival is the aim. These Trunda teams are here for a fun time not a long time! The hit insane damage out the gate
@@nathanielgray1466 Not true. But the other guy is also not correct. Trunda teams work by killing the heads constantly, even through their respawn buff. Trunda teams easily make the turn limit because the heads are always dead. Unless they massively increased the hydra head hp over time or something (which causes other issues), Trunda would still dominate.
That would be stupid considering the heads will try to eat you more often the longer the fight goes on and that will likely have no effect on Trunda team since the heads can barely attack and the boss turns pretty much moves forward because of the head respawn
How have I went this long without knowing about this UA-cam channel? Love this guy
They need to make hydra clash only count one key per account, which ever does the most damage. So hydra feels like less work.
Have a nice holiday! It’s about time they did something about how broken Hydra Clash is. Though it’s a bad look to have nerfed Rares without a thought to the underlying issue with the mode and only take a look at other options once lots of Legendaries can do the same thing.
I feel it needs a hydra head to increase cds on toons that would counter the yumiko set up along with the infinity shield comp styles to counter the outrageous things happening in hydra or make yumiko effect not affect similar characters of the same name
This is the best oportunity to change the Head of Torment fear mechanic that only 2 or 3 champs can deal with ... Make it so when the head is under poison attacking wont cause fear or whatever any mechanic added to that head
I'll try and be brief since my opinions on this have been shared previously.
Option 1: While I do agree that the primary issue with Trunda teams is Trunda (full stop), you could in theory change some hydra specific interaction to reduce her power level. What that would be, I have no clue.
Option 2: The main reason I'm not a fan of simply adjusting the multipliers is exactly because Normal can outpace NM with the right comp. (Fake numbers) If you had a 15B normal key and a 300m NM key, with current multipliers you'd still be off by a factor of 12.5. So should NM be 48x Normal? Doubtful. However, combined with other tweaks that could a cherry on top to push the focus towards NM as was intended. It sounds like they are not in favor of caps or any tiered system, so I won't expound on the benefits I see there.
Option 3: I still think this should be the number 1 approach and screw the folks who'd complain, but they've shown reluctance for this approach so we shall see where this goes.
Option 4: Yes. Low hanging fruit that should be done regardless and quickly.
Amazing news. I have a half decent Trunda team but this is well overdue.
Hydra itself isn't the problem though, I'm still looking forward to see what they come up with.
Enjoy your holiday.
Hydra is totally the problem. If you want to compete you have to manually play 1500 boss turns. Thats boring and insane. Cap boss turns to max 500 or bring some new preset functions to run it on auto.
Sorry Nub, but you can't shake that you are a Plarium apologist! We aren't haters, we are realists. The game itself works to screw players over. Anything we start excelling at, they find a way to shut it down. In clan quests they only offer energy purchase with coins for CVC reset. Accident? Please do a colab with someone who pushes back on Plarium, but until then you and many CCS are clearly pro-Plarium.
I think the big problem with any sort of 'cap' is it'd be more realistically possible for there to be ties in clash. Sure you can coordinate it now in very small clans with 1 participant, but clans with 30 players hitting that cap will just tie.
No more Nerfs! (I hjust started watching the vid so Idk if there are nerfs coming) Leave the champs as they are! Even babe Yumeko, fix the clash!
I hope Trunda get's nerfed to the ground
I like the changes in general hope the rewards will not be embarrassing
For Hydra Clash, they should change the matchmaking so that it takes your average clan points scored from the previous 3-4 weeks. By using average, this would still give harder matchups for good clans when they only dump every other clash. It should also keep them from getting matched up with lower end clans unless they dump 4 straight.
I think making other options other than Shamael is a good thing. If its not Firrol or Shamael in to fight torment it always feels like a giant loss of dps on a hydra team.
Why isn't there a 7 day login champion for the 15 year anniversary?
The comment about a champion being so much better in Hydra, my first thought was Shamael. I am worried they are gonna nerf him because he is somewhat accessible. They dont nerf the whale groups, but accesible stuff like corpulent and madman they kill
Dont think they will nerf him. Theres so few current champs to deal with fear. Further shamael teams arent the problem they trying to fix. Its the insane dmg output from a few broken teams
The main problem is clash has incentives for crazy numbers and doing those causes issues to other players abilities to compete on an even footing. Pre clash no one cares what numbers you put up beyond getting top chest. As far as caps they could do a per hit cap that is high but not out of the realm of game design, this would still make Trunda best in slot maybe but not exponentially better. Also making it where the spawn buff the heads have also has an unkillable like effect where the head cant pop until the head takes a turn which would at least make the mechanics have a moment to play out.
imo, the hydra clan clash should be done as follows.
Don't base clan rank based on damage.
Base it on clan involvement. More clan members involved = ranked higher.
Give each chest reward of each difficulty of hydra a reward point. For each chest each clan member can get to, that is the point the overall clan can get. This would urge players to aim for higher difficulties and doesn't grant an instant win for anyone with 1 "busted" hydra team.
If hydra clash was done this way, the only problem would be if 2+ clans in the clash all had full roster all active and all clearing the same difficulties. This would mean a tie, which I'm unsure how a tie breaker would happen, but maybe someone else can figure that part out.
For the progressive chance champs, I just recently got into 3v3 silver 4 and even in silver 3, I was starting to see a lot of Goffreds in teams. More so in Silver 4 than I saw in silver 3.
I had my account for awhile but started playing somewhat "fulltime" end of UDK login (barely got him) and I would like to say plarium won't nerf a champ unless it's a free or chance to get one champ. They won't nerf trunda but they'll nerf a boss that is not the problem. They don't realize they are trying to make money by keeping op pay-to-win champs but they lack the sight to see it will probably lose them more in the end
These mechanics that are causing issues, like Trunda, Ironclad and Wixwell + Yannica are really fun! The issue is that Hydra Clash doesn't give you anything for losing, so the fun is only for the winners. As long as places 4th and 5th provide at least 1 Stoneskin/Protection accessory, it really wouldn't matter. Everyone is able to get at least something, and the few that are able to play around with these fun mechanics don't cause issue for those that can't...simple.
CC: “……people are going to complain regard of what you do….”
Also CC: *proceeds to complain
I think you completely misunderstand what a complaint is vs him breaking down the changes and providing his thoughts as a CC is supposed to do. When he says complaining, he is talking about the people that just get their panties in a twist for any reason without providing anything of substance to the discourse.
I would be very happy if they make hydra limit at 1000 turns and 3-5x speed
They should be capping points for instance ,Nightmare has 600mil hp, no one should be able to get more than 2.4 billion points for a run on NM .
okay, so every megalodon hydra clash is gonna be a tie cause everyone just does the 2.4 billion? how does that make sense, its PAY2 WIN.
@maxr9380 Why should we care about the 1% outlier clans ? Yall talk like every clan has members, just max turning NM Brutal and Hard , that's simply just not true . Normal clans you know not in the top 1k have no problems because none of those clans are getting 3billion points for their whole clan . Unless you nerf gear nothing will change unless they do what I have stated 🤷♂️
@@brad201291 why should we care about the other 1% outlier clans where it isn't competetive? not a single clash since cvc were dominated by someone playing trunda, every cvc was kinda competetive?
The problem is the hydra, not necessarily any individual champ, it is the longest fight in the game - even an infinity demon lord team doesn't quite take that much time. And nub, every "broken" team has yumeko take it to ridiculous levels - it boosted cadaver to the moon, it boosts trunda to the moon - it is an issue that should be addressed if you want trunda addressed as well
Also, damage caps make ties possible so that's a problem
modifying boss mechanics and re-evaluating rewards (lower minimum clash chest requirements, rewards for 4th & 5th place) would be highest on my list. IMHO set the champs who were individually nerfed back to their original state so all champs have a shot at making a Hydra team based on Plarium adjustments. I trust the Plarium team is looking at the possible change so Hydra heads are immune to damage when they regenerate until they take a turn.
Literally just make that Cool down manipulation skills can't and don't interact with each other. That solves all the skill reset problems
trunda goes to vault and I will not rebuild my 3rd hydra team. only gonna do 2 hydra battles per week nice
I will be happy to rebuild an auto team
Womp womp
Perhaps what they mean by “the problem lies in the hydra’s mechanics instead of the champions”, is that they want to put a damage cap on the hydra instead. This games has hundreds of champs and that list keeps growing and they have to keep bringing new and novel skill kits on champs or they are poorly received. So maybe to save them placing a damage cap on the current problem champs and then waiting till someone finds the next big-brain skill to manipulate and adding a damage cap to that newly found champ, they’re just going to place damage caps on hydra. All these crazy champs like trunda, ironclad, and yannica are only off the scale on hydra.
Saaph's fix for Trunda is probably the answer - Hydra heads are immune to damage when they regenerate until they take a turn. All of a sudden, you can't simply ignore Hydra mechanics.
90/100 not fully immune so if you deal 9 times the head hp its dead
and i did see that with trunda teams
"15 Trundas , it's that easy. That's how you win Hydra" OMG! I wish I had known it was that easy! I would have collected 15 Trundas long ago! lmao! Thanks for the vid Nubs! Have a great vacation!
The problem is not rebalancing champions, it is Plariums terrible compensation that comes along with it. If they nerf trunda and i get 10 lego skill tomes, 5 5* chickens, and essence to buy 1 to 6 star awakening from the shop I would be sad my champ is nerfed but at least i didn't throw away one years worth of iron twins and 10 champion training events.
And if your Trunda is +4? No compensation will make up for that. Without hydra Trunda is useless
well said. considering the amount of time and or money it takes to build a strong roster its fair to be mad when something that used to be good becomes invalid without proper compensation
Nobody owes you any compensation.Just like any other live active game they can change what they want regardless of you the player
It's about making the game as a whole better for everyone, not just the people who build a particular champion.
@@whatwhatdbzwhat4475 Cool, so you can't build the team. Got it.
they should just redesign hydra to have all 6 heads out at once and when you chop off a head, it comes back as itself when it respawns.
They just need to pay Saph the big bucks already to do their job for them. He knows how the game works and can balance these champions before release. It would seriously solve so many issues, maybe throw Bronko in their too :)
Also not gunna lie to anyone pulling for this progressive. I pulled Goffred kinda early and he's actually super nice having bc if his aoe stun, his a3, and passive his God tier imo
Personal rewards milestone is the solution
I can’t get why they’re so slow with all the hydra stuff. It takes them months to change things and the first change will probably do almost nothing. But we’ll see, I try to stay positive and in the mean time I enjoy other parts of the game. Great vid and enjoy your day’s off!
I am a gempack spender-guy when i see those trunda+4 or mythick +4 i really feel free to play
The problem is not the champions. The problem is that they ADDED Hydra Clash in the first place. If that was not there then there would be no issue and people could have fun with this game agai.
Am bracing myself for the complete balls up plarium will make of this
If a champ or mechanic is broken, fix it. And if not, the issue is most likely just the way the content is structured and that's what needs fixing. So, I am all for them fixing the way Hydra Clash is structured to make the points fairer across the board.
Note to players: Don't invest much into Trunda or Yannica or Ironclad till this plays out.
Hydra's abilities are so annoying and they are fast too. I hate the poison cloud, true fear (can't resist) and provoke.
so a few days ago I finally got the tundra and now that I can also give some DMG for the clan, it will be a nerf, I'm happy :)
They almost need a separate game for people that spend thousands vs those that don't spend.
I’m happy for you Scotland very lucky 🍀 have fun 🥰🥰
Nubs, the plural of multiple Trunda’s is Trundi 😂
I thought the plural of Octopus was Octopi, but now every seems to be saying Octopuses.
Trunde, if you're trying to refer to Italian, Trundae if Latin
Well you guys cried and cried and now you got your way. So all the hard work we put into building cool teams is for naught.
They can prove to us they don't think Trunda is broken by doing a guaranteed event for us to get Trunda!!!
Surely they have to just change the way hydra works and change it entirely not just change it in a way that affects trunda and yannica.
Enjoy Sconnie Botland Kev. If in Edinburgh, best Toastie in Scotland in Stockbridge.
I think the tax idea on the points is a great idea. People like to see big damage numbers, and dream of getting something absolutely amazing. That's basically the whole premise of the game-play for the Diablo franchise. Big numbers on damage give people who work hard at the game something to brag about. That being said, they need to balance a lot of the harder to get champions instead of having completely trash legos that crush peoples spirit when they get them.
Also, Trunda damage is insanely overtuned, and I'm not an apologist - however, my point still stands that big numbers go brrr with regards to exciting gameplay.
It’s really simple! Just make the chest for everyone if they can do top damage such as 650 million. I can guaranteed not many can get 650 million top score for all 3 keys.
You'd be surprised how many can
True dmg dealer in hydra gets cap dmg ?
Senna braveheart is the best Void lego.. change my mind.. people seriously under estimate her turn meter boost.. she allows you to go 3-4 times before the CB or hydra heads take a turn..
Eostrid has almost the exact same TM boost and inc spd skill while also bringing inc atk, dec spd, and weaken (and she hits relatively hard). Senna just brings continuous heals and a little extra tm boost from the heals, and a really weird revive with ally attack. I could see Senna putting in work with a buff extension comp so that your team is getting a constant tm boost from the continuous heals. And add in a 9 piece supersonic set for extra value. That seems strong. But to say she's the best void of all because of that is a stretch.
@@Ragnell123 Since I got Senna, I've gone from 1 key 50m UNM cb to 1key 150M UNM cb.. from 30Mil brutal to 170M brutal.. hydra.. honestly.. she's either broken and not working as intended, or she really is the most underated underused void lego out there..
@@angrycupra8636 I’m not saying she isn’t underrated. Speed control is very, very important. But she’s not the best void leggo just because of that. If you didn’t have a good speed control champ beforehand, she will make a big difference on your account. But so would a number of champs
@@Ragnell123 Yep funny thing is, I was using Eostrid as my turn meter boost until I got Senna.. Now I pair them together as both of their passives work amazing together :)
I understand Trunda is broken in Hydra... it is interesting that she really isn't used anywhere else even in her OP builds. You almost never see her in arena anymore and even when you do, she just isn't that scary.
take away yumeko and trunda is not that op
@@irmantasvaitkauskas6769 trundra eostrid uggo and 3 pk can do 4b+ dmg , u don't need yumeko to output non trunda teams
@@irmantasvaitkauskas6769 😂😂 9:54
exactly, she will be useless everywhere post nerf
Plarium knows exactly what the problem is and also how to fix it. All this bullshit is just made up to prolong the milking (i.e. Trunda champ and soul in several events) of the players. Inevitably they need to address Trunda and can then fairytale about their strategy.
I think the progressive tax system for increasing points is a great idea. 10% less points after the first 1B in any one key. 25% less points after the first 3B. 40% less points after 6B points. 50% less points after 10B points. 60% less points after 15B. 75% less points after 20B score. Something like that. They can play with the values. It would nerf all teams but make things more even.
I didnt pull for trunda bcuz I was scared they were going to nerf her. Been playing 5 years now and still don't have her. But I knew soon as I pulled her she would be destroyed.
I hope that the balancing is going to be good not sure though I’m 50/50 on this
LETS GOOOOOO
Don't worry as a free to player of 4.5 years, I finally pulled my first Trunda so expect nerfs anytime now...
If you think Tundra is working as intended, you probably also believe the earth is flat.
If they mess with just trundra I quit. Better way would be a fair cap damage on all champs in hydra only
I really don't think it's the champions problem, it's literally playing with the Hydra mechanics why these teams are working and some champion like Trunda is just broken and they know it yet they keep avoiding it so they can keep selling her...
Look the prizes for 4th and 5th place will probably be very very sad , it's plarium after all but hey it's something.
Agree: if they give is 5* artifacts, better forget it
So basically Plarium put out a whole lot of bullet points saying "We are aware players are irritated with Hydra clash and we may or may not get around fixing them and 4th and 5th place are still a bunch of losers but will give you a door prize so you will stop sniveling". More Plarium word vomit. Plarium daily announcement "Don't forget to pull all your shards and soulstones cause you could get top prize of a Trunda and a soul for her".
Trunda needs left alone! For what it takes to pull anything in this game we deserve to have broken champs. Why does it always come back on us to worry about it?
I just got trunda last week
Same... We must be to blame for Trunda's OPness. Sure feels like being punished for something I've not done. I played for about a year, left when Hydra was introduced, come back after missing Wixwell, pull a Trunda and now she sounds like she's on the chopping block after all these years.
good points
I’ve been struggling for about a month now and I used to better than this just making a chest is my goal idc as long I can get to chest without spending 4 hours switching people around to even get anything
I think they don't want to nerf champs everytime so they change the hydra mechanics instead. Thats a lazy solution.
Modifiying Hydra Battle mechanics is the only part that could be annoying. Alot of people (including me) just maxed champions for Hydra specifically. If they chance Head of Decay to not be provokable would be annoying af for example.
Hydra Clash: nobody should even care, its a p2w game, always was, always will be. You'll never be able to win against the megalodon whales, so why would you even care about trunda or yumeko teams. If you care, just cash, if you dont want to, stop playing :D
Considering their game design team is a cage full of drunk monkeys I'm not holding my breath, but this not nerfing Trunda situation is out of control. Looks like they'd stop selling shards before doing it.
If you wanna have a competitive game mode, you're gonna need game balance, and that's the bottom line. Otherwise you just end up with a slot machine.
Friends don’t let friends care about hydra
They really just need to scrap this clan vs clan crap. All it does is cause anger and manipulation. Just ditch the whole Hydra Clash and move the rewards to a clan initiative for individual clans weekly. The Trunda progressive part made me LOL for real!
Rip trunda
she is not getting nerfed lol
@@gromphh951 she may not be getting nerfed as a champ but in hydra she will technically nerfed if this reduces her damage.
@@spostzEven if she did only 10% of what she normally does she would still be pretty busted
@@VictusG she wouldn't be able to decapitate heads with the life barrier buff with only 10% of the damage she does now.
No, let’s be clear before anything else, hydras mechanics are broken and they have been from the get-go. And irresistible fear every time you hit one head is insane. The fact that there are maybe five champs in the entire game that helps you deal with this, so. The game mode is broken entirely aside from clash.
I rarely get a chest as it is, so yeah buff hydra...
The problem is obviously not Trunda, the problem is terrible math.
Head of Mischef will be immune to damage..
Hydra isn't fun, still has too much RNG and takes way too long.
Dear Plarium, please give a free Trunda for everyone, Then maybe I can forget how many void shards I couldn't unlock the last missing Rare for the Mikage Fusion
I'm for letting Hydra just be a clash of broken champs. If Plarium just stopped nerfing all the teams players come up with, we'd have 20 teams that could compete with Trunda at this point. But they keep nerfing the Corpulent Cadavers and others, making Trunda the only viable broken team.
Excellent! Force people to build proper teams and not exploits!
the problem not hydra , the problem is hydra clash big difference , what hydra mechanics they will change if they changed how my teams work , no more hydra for me no more build champs for hydra also will change clan to a clan that doesn't care or do hydra , so also putting trunda in all summoning events , also while they at nerfing champs nerf all of them pls trunda, yumeko ,shadowking mythical champ in hydra , taras in arena and others same principle too op in areas in the game , if u introduced something that enables champs to be op in that area then u should nefed them fast or don't nerf them later simple , also nubs u seem so happy , wish u good luck bro
Why does trunda get all the blame. Those teams need to have 2 yumakos. If the yumacos don't reset each other that will drop trundas damage alit
Nub can u use influence with plarium to change the tag arena misssons haha
they said alot of things without saying much. i fear they will do anything but nerf/balance the champs that make the clash the way it is now
Forgive me, I didn't view the whole vid but I did drop off a like... is there a new Hydra Head yet? It's been nearly 3 years... I know there's reason the 6 month timeframe couldn't happen... but 3 years? Maybe I'm exaggerating, but it's at least 2 years.
I think Saph suggested changing the buff that hydra heads get after coming back so that they truly CANNOT be immediately nuked again so you have to play around the hydra's mechanics a bit. I think that potentially paired with a shorter turn limit (to help keep shield abuse teams in check) would be a pretty adequate baind-aid that would at least drastically impact these niche teams without dramatically impacting most others.
Honestly Trunda’s A2 is *only* broken in Hydra. Everywhere else in the game, it actually follows the 60% and didn’t double dip. It also doesn’t work with overkill damage, only damage actually inflicted everywhere aside from Hydra. Hydra decapitated heads have unlimited hp so the scaling gets silly
That's just wrong... The additional hit applies all damage bonuses again, not just in hydra, that's why she's broken. Also what's unlimited hp on decapitated heads got to do with anything?
He is right, her A3 is 1000 better than her A2 in arena, it always have been. That why she was op in arena years ago. It was never the A2 in arena like it is in hydra.
@@levelup6243 the initial damage caps the 60%. If you hit a target with let’s say 10k left the 60% second part will hit for 6k(not counting hydra)