i haven't finished this video yet so idk if this was covered, but it probably has something to do with being stuck with hollywood records for so long. before eics, i was always neutral towards sabrina. good singer, solid stage presence, songs were catchy and poppy but she didn't stick with me until that album. it felt like she was able to be a lot more personal and bold in her lyricism, and she also developed a really strong aesthetic for the album/tour that was absent from her previous work. but that's just my two cents from someone who only vaguely knew about sabrina before eics.
i cant even remember when i became a carpenter bc i was so young, i was still in elementary and i found her set fire to the rain cover and now im in college
@@WhosTheMorley and? That’s still an impressive feat. So many amazing artists will never make it on the billboard and there’s an infinite number of music. Having the 100th most listened-to song is something to be proud of especially for an artist like Sabrina whose songs haven’t got much attention until recently.
Even if you’re an artist who never sees main stream success, if you’ve established a stable Fanbase than you are more equipped for a long running career. Sabrina is it a point where even if she never sees a number one hit she will always have a loyal following and will never “fall off” THIS is true success imo. Much better than being an overnight success with a ton of hits and awards.
That’s completely subjective and I believe many would disagree… if an artist has many hits they likely have a developed fan base. Them “falling off” would be having the same numbers as an artist without main stream success
I've been a fan of Sabrina for so long. I still remember when can't blame a girl for trying came out. I'm so happy more people are realizing how amazing of a singer and person she is.
i don’t think she’s ever hosting snl lmfao they literally slut shamed and humiliated her on national television she shouldnt even give them the time of day
coming back to say "I'm on SNL and you're not"! she absolutely killed it and broke the "SNL curse" haha i looove reading this comment now, you kinda saw the future here
I think having Sabrina open for the era tour in SA is absolutely genius. People show up for openers in SA, whereas here a ton of people have the “well I’m here for Taylor so it’s ok if I miss the opener” mindset.
Hollywood Records definitely kept a lot of control over her music. Yes she was still in her experimental stage but they definitely stunted her growth. I’ve been a fan since girl meets world and I remember the fandom by the end of the Singular era wanted her to get out of that record. Glad she managed to switch to a different one. Island Records barley promotes her but luckily she recently signed with UMG so she will be getting that worldwide promo
I think the slow rise of her career has helped Sabrina understand how to approach social media (maintaining a private life and being humble). Despite all the mass hate and threats towards her, she's still pushing through and providing a lot of grace to those who I honestly think don't deserve it with the nasty way they've treated her. To compare using one of your examples, Olivia Rodrigo gained overnight success and was not as well-prepared on how to approach social media, resulting in her laughing at the drama at the height of her fans bullying Sabrina, calling the drama "funny", accepting an SNL cameo that called Sabrina a "bastard", and refusing to directly address the situation (only a vauge statement many months after Sabrina's been threatened and bullied by her fans). I love how Sabrina's not scared of expressing her femininity despite certain fanbases pushing their internalized misogyny onto her since 2021. She's a very resilient person. I can't see many celebrities who're able to not clap back / break down publicly or make shady decisions, and even though she admitted she was on the brink of a public breakdown, she didn't, which was probably best because it would've been used against her. And all this during her early 20s. That's so much pressure being put onto an adolescent. People keep thinking she was old during all this drama but she was an adolescent getting told to kill herself and given bomb threats (even now) for dating someone who has an ex.
I absolutely agree with everything you said!! Only a slight insight. I think her being humble and mature has not so much to do with social media or being a public figure. She is humble by nature from a very young age and used to talk about her parents always teaching her to be humble. Fun fact: her nickname was BumbleBee kept by her parents to always remind her to be humble. That's why it was such a surprise for me when I found out all that about her dad. She used to speak so fondly of him. I can only imagine what she must have been feeling.
I also think the biggest difference is age. I do think that the slower rise to fame has made Sabrina work harder and be more humble for sure, but she’s also five years older than Olivia. I do think Olivia is a bit immature and we can tell this from her attitude on certain things, the stuff that she writes about, and that’s fine because she’s only 20 and when she was writing that stuff she was 18/19. But I do think there is something to be said about the fact that Olivia is an only child, had a Disney show that showcases her singing, which helped her get her first billboard hit and gave her a platform for her first album, things came a lot more easily for her, without even trying. versus Sabrina, who is five years older than her, and had a five or six year climb from the time her Disney show ended, where she had to establish herself as a singer and work hard for people to notice her. There’s a huge difference in maturity and attitude between the girls and while I have a lot of respect for Olivia for her skill and talent as a songwriter, I feel like I have more respect for Sab as a person.
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so truee, and nobody dares to say it so clear. a lot of people justified olivia’s behavior because “she was 17” as if that is not age mature enough to be a good or a bad person in situation involving massive bullying
For Sabrina's tour it was also very interesting to hear the unSABScribe where a fan would like tell a story of heartbreak or like crazy stuff that they went through during their relationships. Then Sabrina would give them 3 options to choose from and based on that she would do a different cover
@user-yk9qp1fv5f I got a thousand miles, and it was amazing because it was the first time my best friend and I saw each other in 5 years, and I had to travel over a thousand miles for it
one thing about sabrina’s career that i love so much (out of many) is how LOYAL her fans have always been. even when i wasn’t super following her (before emails i can’t send came out) i regularly saw edits of her character in girl meets world, or saw ppl talking about her early music & how they still listen to it
& now that she’s growing even more & becoming more of a “mainstream” celebrity, you see a lot of her long-time fans being so excited for her, cuz they’ve been waiting for everyone else to get onboard
In Brazil we just love things very intensely, including artists. I was a fan of Sabrina before she came to Brazil and I got really excited to see that she was opening for Taylor. I went to the concerts with friends who didn’t know Sabrina or just weren’t fans, everyone was impressed, either for her songs, her vocals or her performance. I can tell you, Brazil loves her.
after the whole bullying sabrina faced for years for no other reason besides being the blonde girl.. she deserves the positive turn her life is going in
Been a ride or die Sabrina fan since 2014, and I am so for slow burn successes. She been so successful and I’m sure fulfilled up until now with her career. I am happy she’s had her fulfilling success before becoming mainstream. She’s done good movies, made great art, and gets to sit in her “I’m that bitch” era now, and we love it
The Madonna music video that was designed and released deliberately to create controversy was Like A Prayer (1989). It was filled with religious imagery, including scenes inside a church (sound familiar?), all designed to get a rise out of Christian conservatives. Which it did. The Catholic Church even urged a boycott and organized protests. The result: Madonna became a bigger star than ever.
Shadows is so good! I can't believe Sabrina wasn't even 18 when she made that song. Sue Me is also a huge jam. I'm glad she's finally getting her flowers now.
Love sabrina, and tbh her being the choice for opening act in brazil and latam is amazing and spot on. First bc she actually has a pretty big fanbase in latin america, especially in brazil, like old and loyal fanbase, and everytime she drops singles or albums it gets 1st place in itunes, trend topics on tt and youtube etc.
Thank you UA-cam for recommending me this video LOL. I’ve been looking for video essays or at least similar content that discuss Sabrina’s slow rise to stardom. It fascinates me how she’s been in the industry for many years and has only gotten recognition during her EICS era. She’s gonna dominate 2024 y’all. I can feel it!
Amazing videooo!! Been waiting for this one! Just to add onto your thoughtful conversation; Nicky mentioned the ‘expectation variation’ and Sabrina did this in two ways for her concert. Yes the nonsense outros where it was a guaranteed viral moment for her fans to record, but a way to also involve her fans and get them excited for the ‘expectation variation’ was a game she made called ‘UnSABscribe’. This is where she would ask a fan in the crowd about their juicy breakup and then depending on how the fan feels now about their breakup (they had 3 options, Sad,happy, horny) she would dedicate a cover to them (she she had prepared 3 different covers for her fans, and they got to choose what cover she would sing.) There was loadsss of viral moments from when she would play the game from her tour!! Also to add, she was on 5 album HR contract like you mentioned, but released 4 albums with them. Her legal loophole to get out of the contract was claiming the soundtrack for the movie ‘Clouds’ since she had produced songs for it. She also mentioned in an interview that if she knew what signing a 5 album contract at 14 would mean she wouldn’t have done it (I think it was a teen vogue interview she did in 2021/2022) and has also alluded to Hollywood records being a toxic work environment ( she literally got sued by HR managers and wrote Sue me after firing them), has said she was told what she was and wasn’t allowed to wear in music videos, but she doesn’t go into too much detail about what happened at HR for legal reasons.
Coming back to this a few months later, I feel like you guys foreshadowed when the tortoise would finally win the race with your comment on the coffee shop printouts with Sabrina releasing Espresso. This song is a bop and in my opinion came out at a time when we all just want a song for the summer, and I feel that this is going to be a giant hit.
i agree with that statement that Disney started to struggle promoting their artists when everything started to move on from cable and in to streaming, i personally think Sabrina was stuck in that time and she still had to finish her contract that's why her works didn't get enough promotion
1. Ah I'm sad you guys didn't mention that her other Disney moment before Girl Meets World was her being on an episode of Austin and Ally where she was a big focus. It's not that important really but I just wanted to mention it. 2. I think one of her first big songs before EICS that I don't think necessarily is in the "disney big" category was Sue Me. It did really well and was one of the first times more mainstream people started noticing her. Obviously it wasn't a huge breakout, but I remember at the time thinking that her breakout finally came with the popularity of that song. 3. Another thing Sabrina does at her shows is similar to the example you guys talked about with performers engaging with their audience. At her shows this year, she would take a moment to talk to someone in the audience and get a story from them about a relationship thing they've gone through. Then she would ask that person how are they feeling (and they'd have 3 emotions to pick from) and that answer determined what song she would sing at that moment (which was usually a cover song). It was a really funny segment in her shows.
I was a bit taken aback when I realized she already had quite a big back catalog while still in her early 20’s. And that it showed progress, uneven and still not fully realized, but when you’ve already got a few LPs under your belt that young you’ll have a whole range of techniques you probably don’t even know you have. I’m watching SC because I think she can go one step beyond!
Sabrina is trying to brand her self with the whole heart thing the same way billy Eilish did with her baggy clothes. u can see a pattern with how artist play around with there appearance and there whole vibe to be more memorable.
@MISSMADISONMEDIA your right the hearts are for the emails I can't send era of her music she's been wearing hearts before her album was ever released pretty much hinting to the album
There's a really good video on her fashion style and how it's based on her body type. It made me appreciate her and her stylist's efforts to really highlight her fashion style and her efforts based on knowing her body type. 😊
it’s so weird to me, as someone who was a big sabrina, troye sivan, etc…, fan back in the day and being made fun of for liking them, seing that these people are now mainstream and it’s cool to like them
i have been a fan of hers for 6 years and I am so proud of her for how much she has evolved as an artist and how far she has come. She has a huge fanbase and I know she can be topping all the charts but to me she is a friggin star already.
Just like a lot of people, I been a fan of Sabrina Carpenter since Girl meets world and Eyes Wide Open it's really amazing she finally gets the recognition she deserved. Her evolution-especially- as an artist is remarkable, each of her albums have helped her experiment with different genres of music (new carpenters MUST LISTEN TO HER OLDER MUSIC PLS). She came to my city for the EICS Tour and her stage presence was phenomenal, everyone was having fun and singing her songs and btw the initial venue had to be upgraded to a new one BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PPL ATTENDING WAS BIGGER THAN EXPECTED (probably bc of the nonsense outros). Seeing her perform made me (and anyone who followed Sab for a while) a bit emotional like I was a proud mother, even tho she’s older than me. It does suck it took SO LONG for her to get this recognition, but, it’s at the right place at the right time. I'm so excited for her new music and what she has in store. (Btw we don’t like pinning Sabrina and Olivia against each other, it’s nonsense)
I went to the Eras Tour in Argentina and the excitement I had was huge, not only I was going to see Taylor but also Sabrina. Both of them where my most listened artist last year and also this year
Went to Sabrina's Kansas City show in April! Another fun thing she does is pick an audience member to tell their sad story. She gives them a choice of two emotions after their story and sings a song based on the emotion they choose. She said a Britney Spears songs (Toxic) at our show! She also played Rock, Paper, Scissors with a fan who had a sign and dared her to sign her first single (which she did!)
I saw Sabrina perform at my local mall back in early 2017, she’s always been an excellent artist with incredible stage presence. I’ve since seen her perform 4 times! Love her!
Im blown away that you hit 15k. I’ve been subscribed and watching for a month or two and never really looked. Always assumed this was one of the big podcasts because the quality is so great!!
I’ve been following Sabrina since she was Maya on Girl Meets World and I’m so happy that more people are FINALLY recognizing her and her talent!! I feel like she’s really a full package deal, and it used to be astonishing to me how unknown she was. Also, I hate when people diminish her because she has had a slow burn rise instead of overnight instant fame like a lot of the newer artists today (think Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Ice Spice, etc. all who rose to fame in a blink and you kiss it manner) so I’m so glad you touched on that!!
I have been following her career since around 2009! There used to be this website/forum for aspiring kid singers! Her dad was a member and she even had her own account at like 10 years old. I can’t find any artifacts from the website anymore and I have tried lol anyway, it’s been so cool to follow her career this whole time and see all of her success!
also sabrina was viral and more exposed in the eras tour because latinamericans respect more openers and they SHOW for them instead of more americans who came late
the whole slow burn thing reminds me of a kurtis connor podcast i listened to the other day, where he spoke about how important having a slow come up in the comedy scene was for him. doing years of stand up and becoming comfortable with it, THEN transitioning to vine and youtube allowed him to really establish himself as a comedian. when he was starting out, if his set at a local comedy club didn't go as planned, it would fine because no one would see it except the people in that room. lots of tiktok comedians nowadays blow up overnight, which means they don't have time to grow as a comic (especially if they blew up during COVID and don't have much IRL experience). they have a huge audience watching them when they're still starting out! and stand up comedy isn't exactly known for being easy, so it's very easy for these people to bomb and not take well to criticism because they're not used to it
i listening to sabrina since my teenage years and it was so beautiful to grow with her and her music year after year and see her being so popular now makes me so emotional
this was such a fascinating conversation and i love how both of you bring light into success not being overnight but instead something that can be worked on for years - it feels more encouraging to know that you're on the right track and not be discouraged by the constant illusion of "overnight" success
i been with sabrina since she made her first appearance on austin & ally. i stood by her then, and will forever be with her till the end of my days. she is my holy grail.
I found her today by accident. Listened to a lot of her youtube vids. Sorry to say that a lot of the better known singers( and their production people) we hear at the moment seem to have a great deal to thank Sabrina for. She deserve much better exposure.
She is SO big outside the US, it’s such a shame and so crazy that people there think she is not good enough or known enough just because she might not be popular there. I’m from latin america and before she went on the eras tour she had a brief concert in brazil and people here in argentina and latin america and south america were begging for her to come tour here, and when she was announced as part of taylor’s tour we were so happy and they was so much demand for her we wanted to do side shows of her emails i can’t send tour. She is very much known from YEARS and same thing happens all over latin america and europe, but americans think it’s all about who is trending there on tiktok, and so many big artists that they think are so big could pass unknown everywhere else i swear 🫖🍵
I think part of the reason for why Sabrina still hasn’t gotten the full recognition that she rightfully deserves, is because there’s still that group of people who are mad at her over the situation with Olivia and Joshua. I mean just recently at the Jingle Ball, I forgot which song it was but she literally said that she received death threats all because she liked a boy. I think there still that dislike towards her over that even though Sabrina, Olivia, and Joshua have all moved on or at least tried to.
It doesnt help as well that she has been getting this other girl or side chick tag on her since she also got involved with a love triangle drama with shawn mendez and camila cabello as well as with dylan obrien and his gf. It doesn’t look good on her and her PR really needs to do something about that.
@@Random-vq7fishe was seen with Dylan in one singular pic. Only because soke tiktoker made a whole theory on it doesn't automatically mean it's true. It most definitely isn't. The Shawn mendes one likely is. But it says more about Shawn than Sabrina. Why was he dating other people if he wasn't over his ex. Idk how Sabrina should even get any bad rep for it.
when u guys mentioned the surprise songs i was like "YESS EXACTLY", i went to two concerts at the eras and i swear my feelings abt each one are completely related to the different surprise songs i got in each one. I also have this feeling w wich sabrina concert i liked more (since she was the opener at my shows) depending on the nonsense outros that i got (like i got the "loirinha" outro so i automatically remember that one being better). I never connected these feelings until u guys mentioned it
Hii, i have been a fan of sabrina carpenter since i was 14years old. I saw her disney show " girls meet the world ", i fell in love with her music from there on. I love seeing how she getting recognition and respect , that she very well deserve it. Her stage presence is cheerful and we can feel she really enjoy performing. Thank you for this video.
I loved her since eyes wide open played almost everyday on disney channel. I love seeing her get the recognition she deserves and to see people loving her more and more each day
Was a huge fan of Sabrina during her first 2 albums. Listened to them all the time and asked if people knew who she was. It’s really weird being on the other perspective of things and seeing her blow up NOW all of a sudden.
"Cuz im falling down like a summer rain..." ugh. That song. Her voice. I cannot believe it's not HUGE. It will be. She will be. Very fun to watch play out.
Thank you for making this video. As a Carpenter I'm really happy for Sabrina's breakthrough and getting the attention she deserves. She's gonna slay 2024 ✨
Obviously it’s the best if you have like a mainstream following + a strong fan base but I think having only a strong fan base is better than having only a mainstream following. You can build a fan base if you blow up with your first single but it’s not easy. I think Sabrina can adjust way easier to being famous. I know everyone wants quick results but I wonder how hard it is to adjust.
I discovered Sabrina in 2022 when I decided to watch girl meets world and honestly have been a big fan since. I always thought she was super talented and deserved to be more popular
This is the first time I have heard of this podcast- so happy it was recommended to me. Learned a lot about the Disney machine today. Also, it was cool to learn about certain marketing strategies. Looking forward to more episodes. It would be neat if one day you two could analyze Madison Beer's career. The girl seemed to have everything behind her yet she never became mainstream.
First time ever seeing you guys, I’m only 3 minutes and 50 seconds in and I ALREADY know I’m going to be a new listener! So much positivity/ motivation/ inspiration IN THE FIRST THREE MINUTES! Wow. found you guys from looking up “sabrina carpenter style analysis” and this popped up… not what I was looking for but what I needed lol thank you for the motivation ❤❤❤
I’ve been a fan since girl meets world so I got to grow up with her albums and I’ve always thought she had so much potential and raw talent (also on a technical level she is an incredibly strong pop vocalist). I’m so glad to see her finally get recognition!
Love what you said about success being unpredictable but always coming to people who keep persisting. I know many talented artists who get crickets in response to their music or films (which are very good) but I admire them for still staying passionate about their craft. Mainstream popularity is in no way a measure of success imo, there are many other things like mastery of your craft, profits and stability which factor in.
28:59 I've been saying!!! a lot of things, especially these days in the music industry, i feel are inspired by the kpop scene. Like Taylor Swift putting out 4 variations of the midnight album is not new at all. This strategies to boost album sales thing has been going on for a looong time in Kpop.
I’ve been following her for like 7 years and she’s finally popping off a lot more. ❤❤❤❤❤❤ Sometimes I wonder if overnight fame is better for Sabrina but…… IDK
I saw sabrina in the eras tour in Rio de Janeiro and got sooo more interested in her like the girl is so good!!! Also first time listening to you guys and i loved it🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️
I also think anonymity is something that gets people talking like Sia when she would wear the wig covering her face and Marshmello wearing the helmet people love that mystery.
really enjoyed the video! been a fan of sabrina since gmw and can’t blame a girl for trying. if y’all decide to discuss the variation expectation more another big example of it is in kpop albums and photocards! most albums come with 2 photocards (it’s different per group and per album) and albums usually have different versions, making fans want to buy more to collect all the variations. very popular tactic in the kpop industry
This randomly popped up on UA-cam and I'm glad it did! To be honest, I wasn't a big fan of Sabrina until last year when emails I can't send came out. I'm happy Sabrina's finally getting the attention she deserves and she's gonna keep on growing!! ✌️ Also this is off topic but hopefully we'll get to see Sabrina and Olivia performing together in the future. 🙏 Thank you and take care!
It’s crazy that Sabrina got so much hate because she was blamed for Olivia’s relationship ending, when in reality it’s a teenage romance, and Olivia had the audacity to call her ex a sociopath while building an entire career from shit talking him (and subsequently Sabrina) in all of her top 40 singles. Olivia Rodrigo is the sociopath in that scenario.
I live in the neighborhood with the church from the feathers video…. Let me tell you 100% not PR, the tea was PIPING hot the day my boyfriend’s grandma came home with the church gossip before it came out. Biiiiiiiig church drama and the arch bishop did indeed get his title revoked lmao
I was way too old for Girl Meets World but I watched it because I liked Boy Meets World and I thought Sabrina was great and I've been watching her career ever since. Though, I'm annoyed that nonsense is the one that got so popular. She has way better songs on that album that are so beautiful and show her talent more.
Already Over! Read Your Mind! Bad For Business! I could def see them being radio and TikTok hits. The way they got stuck in my head immediately UGH eics is such a good album
@vic_huimang I stay away from TikTok, so I don't really care about TikTok hits personally. My favorite is "How many things". Even all the other singles are better than Nonsense. Skinny Dipping was really cute and unappreciated.
i grew up rewatching girl meets world and that's how i discovered sabrina. I've been fan ever since then and I'm so happy to see her get recognized for her insane talent
Heeey, a Brazilian here, and I guess artists like to perform over here is probably because we are scandalously loud hahaha and that's definitely because we are passionate about everything we like/do. One of my favorite things to do when I am in a concert is screaming the lyrics like crazy and dance a lot, and sometimes I see videos of other countries and the crowd is really there to have the experience of hearing the artist sing, and not sing with them (which is totally fine btw, but how things work around here :)
Another great example for the surprise section are kpop photocards, people buy tons of the same album just to get the one photo of their favourite idol. Another thing with the variation and kpop is that NewJeans has been pretty much remixing their performances and songs for, well only important shows. Their whole thing is always being fresh and new, so it figures, but I loved what they did with BBMA
been a carpenter since 2015 and it shocked me how long it took for people to notice her for her talent
SAME “Two Young Hearts” is still one of my favorite songs of hers 💞
i haven't finished this video yet so idk if this was covered, but it probably has something to do with being stuck with hollywood records for so long. before eics, i was always neutral towards sabrina. good singer, solid stage presence, songs were catchy and poppy but she didn't stick with me until that album. it felt like she was able to be a lot more personal and bold in her lyricism, and she also developed a really strong aesthetic for the album/tour that was absent from her previous work. but that's just my two cents from someone who only vaguely knew about sabrina before eics.
i cant even remember when i became a carpenter bc i was so young, i was still in elementary and i found her set fire to the rain cover and now im in college
Yessss same here
same 😭 i don't understand why it took so so long
Sabrina just had her third song hit the billboard! Her slow rise to fame is fascinating and I can’t wait to see her grow
Yeeee good for her!!!
Just making the top 100! Literally...
@@WhosTheMorley and? That’s still an impressive feat. So many amazing artists will never make it on the billboard and there’s an infinite number of music. Having the 100th most listened-to song is something to be proud of especially for an artist like Sabrina whose songs haven’t got much attention until recently.
@@Blake9976 I wasn't having a go at her mate. It literally just made it in the top 100. That's all I said.
I got the Feather single 7in vinyl! Hate that the Fruitcake vinyl keeps being sold out cause I need it!
forever bitter that Sue Me wasn't one of the biggest pop songs of the 2010s
The A Capella version is heavenly too!
Yea but on the bright side, us OG carpenters can gatekeep it 😂
i'm actually DEVASTATED she's not doing it at eras bc she's not doing her own full shows in australia :'( @@Blackcanvasart
YOURE SOOO RIGHT
Could not stop playing that on repeat!!!! Very surprised still and thought it was so clever lol
Even if you’re an artist who never sees main stream success, if you’ve established a stable Fanbase than you are more equipped for a long running career. Sabrina is it a point where even if she never sees a number one hit she will always have a loyal following and will never “fall off” THIS is true success imo. Much better than being an overnight success with a ton of hits and awards.
That’s completely subjective and I believe many would disagree… if an artist has many hits they likely have a developed fan base. Them “falling off” would be having the same numbers as an artist without main stream success
I've been a fan of Sabrina for so long. I still remember when can't blame a girl for trying came out. I'm so happy more people are realizing how amazing of a singer and person she is.
i was OBSESSED with that music video back in the day
Same, but I was a fan since Smoke and Fire
@@eventplanner461 one of my favorites from her.
Omg same
i remember seing it on tv after an episode of girl meets world😍 been a fan ever since
Sabrina would absolutely kill as host and musical guest on SNL.
If only they hadn't been misogynistic towards her
Absolutely
i don’t think she’s ever hosting snl lmfao they literally slut shamed and humiliated her on national television she shouldnt even give them the time of day
She’s hosting snl!!!
coming back to say "I'm on SNL and you're not"!
she absolutely killed it and broke the "SNL curse" haha i looove reading this comment now, you kinda saw the future here
I think having Sabrina open for the era tour in SA is absolutely genius. People show up for openers in SA, whereas here a ton of people have the “well I’m here for Taylor so it’s ok if I miss the opener” mindset.
Hollywood Records definitely kept a lot of control over her music. Yes she was still in her experimental stage but they definitely stunted her growth. I’ve been a fan since girl meets world and I remember the fandom by the end of the Singular era wanted her to get out of that record. Glad she managed to switch to a different one. Island Records barley promotes her but luckily she recently signed with UMG so she will be getting that worldwide promo
United Artists & Universal Studios Music are actually from the same label.
@@WhosTheMorley I wasn’t aware. I just saw the news about it
I think the slow rise of her career has helped Sabrina understand how to approach social media (maintaining a private life and being humble). Despite all the mass hate and threats towards her, she's still pushing through and providing a lot of grace to those who I honestly think don't deserve it with the nasty way they've treated her. To compare using one of your examples, Olivia Rodrigo gained overnight success and was not as well-prepared on how to approach social media, resulting in her laughing at the drama at the height of her fans bullying Sabrina, calling the drama "funny", accepting an SNL cameo that called Sabrina a "bastard", and refusing to directly address the situation (only a vauge statement many months after Sabrina's been threatened and bullied by her fans).
I love how Sabrina's not scared of expressing her femininity despite certain fanbases pushing their internalized misogyny onto her since 2021. She's a very resilient person. I can't see many celebrities who're able to not clap back / break down publicly or make shady decisions, and even though she admitted she was on the brink of a public breakdown, she didn't, which was probably best because it would've been used against her. And all this during her early 20s. That's so much pressure being put onto an adolescent. People keep thinking she was old during all this drama but she was an adolescent getting told to kill herself and given bomb threats (even now) for dating someone who has an ex.
I absolutely agree with everything you said!! Only a slight insight. I think her being humble and mature has not so much to do with social media or being a public figure. She is humble by nature from a very young age and used to talk about her parents always teaching her to be humble. Fun fact: her nickname was BumbleBee kept by her parents to always remind her to be humble.
That's why it was such a surprise for me when I found out all that about her dad. She used to speak so fondly of him. I can only imagine what she must have been feeling.
I also think the biggest difference is age. I do think that the slower rise to fame has made Sabrina work harder and be more humble for sure, but she’s also five years older than Olivia. I do think Olivia is a bit immature and we can tell this from her attitude on certain things, the stuff that she writes about, and that’s fine because she’s only 20 and when she was writing that stuff she was 18/19. But I do think there is something to be said about the fact that Olivia is an only child, had a Disney show that showcases her singing, which helped her get her first billboard hit and gave her a platform for her first album, things came a lot more easily for her, without even trying. versus Sabrina, who is five years older than her, and had a five or six year climb from the time her Disney show ended, where she had to establish herself as a singer and work hard for people to notice her. There’s a huge difference in maturity and attitude between the girls and while I have a lot of respect for Olivia for her skill and talent as a songwriter, I feel like I have more respect for Sab as a person.
so truee, and nobody dares to say it so clear. a lot of people justified olivia’s behavior because “she was 17” as if that is not age mature enough to be a good or a bad person in situation involving massive bullying
@@jessicajoerndt4284 years*
I think especially because both of them had Disney media training it makes it even more interesting to see their reactions
For Sabrina's tour it was also very interesting to hear the unSABScribe where a fan would like tell a story of heartbreak or like crazy stuff that they went through during their relationships. Then Sabrina would give them 3 options to choose from and based on that she would do a different cover
Wow I didn’t hear about this!
What!!!! That’s so incredible
I got hit me baby one more time at my show !!
@user-yk9qp1fv5f I got a thousand miles, and it was amazing because it was the first time my best friend and I saw each other in 5 years, and I had to travel over a thousand miles for it
she did dreams by fleetwood mac at the show i was at!!
one thing about sabrina’s career that i love so much (out of many) is how LOYAL her fans have always been. even when i wasn’t super following her (before emails i can’t send came out) i regularly saw edits of her character in girl meets world, or saw ppl talking about her early music & how they still listen to it
& now that she’s growing even more & becoming more of a “mainstream” celebrity, you see a lot of her long-time fans being so excited for her, cuz they’ve been waiting for everyone else to get onboard
In Brazil we just love things very intensely, including artists. I was a fan of Sabrina before she came to Brazil and I got really excited to see that she was opening for Taylor. I went to the concerts with friends who didn’t know Sabrina or just weren’t fans, everyone was impressed, either for her songs, her vocals or her performance. I can tell you, Brazil loves her.
after the whole bullying sabrina faced for years for no other reason besides being the blonde girl.. she deserves the positive turn her life is going in
Absolutely, she’s so talented
Been a ride or die Sabrina fan since 2014, and I am so for slow burn successes. She been so successful and I’m sure fulfilled up until now with her career. I am happy she’s had her fulfilling success before becoming mainstream. She’s done good movies, made great art, and gets to sit in her “I’m that bitch” era now, and we love it
The Madonna music video that was designed and released deliberately to create controversy was Like A Prayer (1989). It was filled with religious imagery, including scenes inside a church (sound familiar?), all designed to get a rise out of Christian conservatives. Which it did. The Catholic Church even urged a boycott and organized protests. The result: Madonna became a bigger star than ever.
And I'm sure that stardom will be a valuable asset when she's dead. God wins lol
Shadows is so good! I can't believe Sabrina wasn't even 18 when she made that song. Sue Me is also a huge jam. I'm glad she's finally getting her flowers now.
Love sabrina, and tbh her being the choice for opening act in brazil and latam is amazing and spot on. First bc she actually has a pretty big fanbase in latin america, especially in brazil, like old and loyal fanbase, and everytime she drops singles or albums it gets 1st place in itunes, trend topics on tt and youtube etc.
Thank you UA-cam for recommending me this video LOL.
I’ve been looking for video essays or at least similar content that discuss Sabrina’s slow rise to stardom. It fascinates me how she’s been in the industry for many years and has only gotten recognition during her EICS era.
She’s gonna dominate 2024 y’all. I can feel it!
Amazing videooo!! Been waiting for this one! Just to add onto your thoughtful conversation; Nicky mentioned the ‘expectation variation’ and Sabrina did this in two ways for her concert. Yes the nonsense outros where it was a guaranteed viral moment for her fans to record, but a way to also involve her fans and get them excited for the ‘expectation variation’ was a game she made called ‘UnSABscribe’. This is where she would ask a fan in the crowd about their juicy breakup and then depending on how the fan feels now about their breakup (they had 3 options, Sad,happy, horny) she would dedicate a cover to them (she she had prepared 3 different covers for her fans, and they got to choose what cover she would sing.) There was loadsss of viral moments from when she would play the game from her tour!!
Also to add, she was on 5 album HR contract like you mentioned, but released 4 albums with them. Her legal loophole to get out of the contract was claiming the soundtrack for the movie ‘Clouds’ since she had produced songs for it.
She also mentioned in an interview that if she knew what signing a 5 album contract at 14 would mean she wouldn’t have done it (I think it was a teen vogue interview she did in 2021/2022) and has also alluded to Hollywood records being a toxic work environment ( she literally got sued by HR managers and wrote Sue me after firing them), has said she was told what she was and wasn’t allowed to wear in music videos, but she doesn’t go into too much detail about what happened at HR for legal reasons.
Coming back to this a few months later, I feel like you guys foreshadowed when the tortoise would finally win the race with your comment on the coffee shop printouts with Sabrina releasing Espresso. This song is a bop and in my opinion came out at a time when we all just want a song for the summer, and I feel that this is going to be a giant hit.
i agree with that statement that Disney started to struggle promoting their artists when everything started to move on from cable and in to streaming, i personally think Sabrina was stuck in that time and she still had to finish her contract that's why her works didn't get enough promotion
Sabrina's Outros are literally Satire! I don't believe in more than half the sexuel outros she comes up with.
Why? Can’t a woman be sexual active to be liked?
Been watching Sabrina Carpenter since she's in Sofia the first and Girl Meets World. I love her songs even then.
1. Ah I'm sad you guys didn't mention that her other Disney moment before Girl Meets World was her being on an episode of Austin and Ally where she was a big focus. It's not that important really but I just wanted to mention it.
2. I think one of her first big songs before EICS that I don't think necessarily is in the "disney big" category was Sue Me. It did really well and was one of the first times more mainstream people started noticing her. Obviously it wasn't a huge breakout, but I remember at the time thinking that her breakout finally came with the popularity of that song.
3. Another thing Sabrina does at her shows is similar to the example you guys talked about with performers engaging with their audience. At her shows this year, she would take a moment to talk to someone in the audience and get a story from them about a relationship thing they've gone through. Then she would ask that person how are they feeling (and they'd have 3 emotions to pick from) and that answer determined what song she would sing at that moment (which was usually a cover song). It was a really funny segment in her shows.
I was a bit taken aback when I realized she already had quite a big back catalog while still in her early 20’s. And that it showed progress, uneven and still not fully realized, but when you’ve already got a few LPs under your belt that young you’ll have a whole range of techniques you probably don’t even know you have. I’m watching SC because I think she can go one step beyond!
Sabrina is trying to brand her self with the whole heart thing the same way billy Eilish did with her baggy clothes. u can see a pattern with how artist play around with there appearance and there whole vibe to be more memorable.
I honestly think the hearts are just part of an era and not so much her entire brand
@MISSMADISONMEDIA your right the hearts are for the emails I can't send era of her music she's been wearing hearts before her album was ever released pretty much hinting to the album
There's a really good video on her fashion style and how it's based on her body type. It made me appreciate her and her stylist's efforts to really highlight her fashion style and her efforts based on knowing her body type. 😊
@@erinlee5936the that youtube video?
@@erinlee5936omg do you mind sharing it?
it’s so weird to me, as someone who was a big sabrina, troye sivan, etc…, fan back in the day and being made fun of for liking them, seing that these people are now mainstream and it’s cool to like them
i have been a fan of hers for 6 years and I am so proud of her for how much she has evolved as an artist and how far she has come. She has a huge fanbase and I know she can be topping all the charts but to me she is a friggin star already.
Just like a lot of people, I been a fan of Sabrina Carpenter since Girl meets world and Eyes Wide Open it's really amazing she finally gets the recognition she deserved. Her evolution-especially- as an artist is remarkable, each of her albums have helped her experiment with different genres of music (new carpenters MUST LISTEN TO HER OLDER MUSIC PLS). She came to my city for the EICS Tour and her stage presence was phenomenal, everyone was having fun and singing her songs and btw the initial venue had to be upgraded to a new one BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PPL ATTENDING WAS BIGGER THAN EXPECTED (probably bc of the nonsense outros). Seeing her perform made me (and anyone who followed Sab for a while) a bit emotional like I was a proud mother, even tho she’s older than me. It does suck it took SO LONG for her to get this recognition, but, it’s at the right place at the right time. I'm so excited for her new music and what she has in store. (Btw we don’t like pinning Sabrina and Olivia against each other, it’s nonsense)
I went to the Eras Tour in Argentina and the excitement I had was huge, not only I was going to see Taylor but also Sabrina. Both of them where my most listened artist last year and also this year
Went to Sabrina's Kansas City show in April! Another fun thing she does is pick an audience member to tell their sad story. She gives them a choice of two emotions after their story and sings a song based on the emotion they choose. She said a Britney Spears songs (Toxic) at our show! She also played Rock, Paper, Scissors with a fan who had a sign and dared her to sign her first single (which she did!)
I saw Sabrina perform at my local mall back in early 2017, she’s always been an excellent artist with incredible stage presence. I’ve since seen her perform 4 times! Love her!
Im blown away that you hit 15k. I’ve been subscribed and watching for a month or two and never really looked. Always assumed this was one of the big podcasts because the quality is so great!!
That means so much!❤ one day our numbers will reflect the quality but we appreciate all of you who are here from the beginning
I’ve been following Sabrina since she was Maya on Girl Meets World and I’m so happy that more people are FINALLY recognizing her and her talent!! I feel like she’s really a full package deal, and it used to be astonishing to me how unknown she was.
Also, I hate when people diminish her because she has had a slow burn rise instead of overnight instant fame like a lot of the newer artists today (think Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Ice Spice, etc. all who rose to fame in a blink and you kiss it manner) so I’m so glad you touched on that!!
I have been following her career since around 2009! There used to be this website/forum for aspiring kid singers! Her dad was a member and she even had her own account at like 10 years old. I can’t find any artifacts from the website anymore and I have tried lol anyway, it’s been so cool to follow her career this whole time and see all of her success!
her SNL Nonsense outro would prolly def be a callback to them calling her a bastard or smthn during the drama
Proud to say I’ve been a dedicated fan since her girl meets world era.
also sabrina was viral and more exposed in the eras tour because latinamericans respect more openers and they SHOW for them instead of more americans who came late
the whole slow burn thing reminds me of a kurtis connor podcast i listened to the other day, where he spoke about how important having a slow come up in the comedy scene was for him. doing years of stand up and becoming comfortable with it, THEN transitioning to vine and youtube allowed him to really establish himself as a comedian. when he was starting out, if his set at a local comedy club didn't go as planned, it would fine because no one would see it except the people in that room.
lots of tiktok comedians nowadays blow up overnight, which means they don't have time to grow as a comic (especially if they blew up during COVID and don't have much IRL experience). they have a huge audience watching them when they're still starting out! and stand up comedy isn't exactly known for being easy, so it's very easy for these people to bomb and not take well to criticism because they're not used to it
i listening to sabrina since my teenage years and it was so beautiful to grow with her and her music year after year and see her being so popular now makes me so emotional
this was such a fascinating conversation and i love how both of you bring light into success not being overnight but instead something that can be worked on for years - it feels more encouraging to know that you're on the right track and not be discouraged by the constant illusion of "overnight" success
i been with sabrina since she made her first appearance on austin & ally. i stood by her then, and will forever be with her till the end of my days. she is my holy grail.
I found her today by accident. Listened to a lot of her youtube vids. Sorry to say that a lot of the better known singers( and their production people) we hear at the moment seem to have a great deal to thank Sabrina for. She deserve much better exposure.
She is SO big outside the US, it’s such a shame and so crazy that people there think she is not good enough or known enough just because she might not be popular there. I’m from latin america and before she went on the eras tour she had a brief concert in brazil and people here in argentina and latin america and south america were begging for her to come tour here, and when she was announced as part of taylor’s tour we were so happy and they was so much demand for her we wanted to do side shows of her emails i can’t send tour. She is very much known from YEARS and same thing happens all over latin america and europe, but americans think it’s all about who is trending there on tiktok, and so many big artists that they think are so big could pass unknown everywhere else i swear 🫖🍵
fun fact: Sabrina Carpenter was included in Forbes 30 under 30 in 2021
I think part of the reason for why Sabrina still hasn’t gotten the full recognition that she rightfully deserves, is because there’s still that group of people who are mad at her over the situation with Olivia and Joshua. I mean just recently at the Jingle Ball, I forgot which song it was but she literally said that she received death threats all because she liked a boy. I think there still that dislike towards her over that even though Sabrina, Olivia, and Joshua have all moved on or at least tried to.
It doesnt help as well that she has been getting this other girl or side chick tag on her since she also got involved with a love triangle drama with shawn mendez and camila cabello as well as with dylan obrien and his gf. It doesn’t look good on her and her PR really needs to do something about that.
@@Random-vq7fimind you, she never dated shawn, and the dylan rumors were false. you're a loser.
Shawn himself said in a video interview that he never dated Sabrina. And Dylan was just a rumour. There is no love triangle there.@@Random-vq7fi
@@Random-vq7fishe was seen with Dylan in one singular pic. Only because soke tiktoker made a whole theory on it doesn't automatically mean it's true. It most definitely isn't.
The Shawn mendes one likely is. But it says more about Shawn than Sabrina. Why was he dating other people if he wasn't over his ex. Idk how Sabrina should even get any bad rep for it.
when u guys mentioned the surprise songs i was like "YESS EXACTLY", i went to two concerts at the eras and i swear my feelings abt each one are completely related to the different surprise songs i got in each one. I also have this feeling w wich sabrina concert i liked more (since she was the opener at my shows) depending on the nonsense outros that i got (like i got the "loirinha" outro so i automatically remember that one being better). I never connected these feelings until u guys mentioned it
I’m going on record and say singular act 1 and 2 are actually masterpieces and deserve equal respect
Hii, i have been a fan of sabrina carpenter since i was 14years old. I saw her disney show " girls meet the world ", i fell in love with her music from there on. I love seeing how she getting recognition and respect , that she very well deserve it. Her stage presence is cheerful and we can feel she really enjoy performing. Thank you for this video.
Brazilian here! I was amazed by the eras tour and got in love with sabrina since then!!!
I loved her since eyes wide open played almost everyday on disney channel. I love seeing her get the recognition she deserves and to see people loving her more and more each day
Was a huge fan of Sabrina during her first 2 albums. Listened to them all the time and asked if people knew who she was. It’s really weird being on the other perspective of things and seeing her blow up NOW all of a sudden.
As a fan of her since girl meets world I’m so happy she’s finally getting the recognition she deserves
My fave outro she gave was the one in Oklahoma when she said "Tulsa spelled backwards is actually A SLUT." She is Greatness with a capital g.
"Cuz im falling down like a summer rain..." ugh. That song. Her voice. I cannot believe it's not HUGE. It will be. She will be. Very fun to watch play out.
Thank you for making this video. As a Carpenter I'm really happy for Sabrina's breakthrough and getting the attention she deserves. She's gonna slay 2024 ✨
Obviously it’s the best if you have like a mainstream following + a strong fan base but I think having only a strong fan base is better than having only a mainstream following. You can build a fan base if you blow up with your first single but it’s not easy. I think Sabrina can adjust way easier to being famous. I know everyone wants quick results but I wonder how hard it is to adjust.
YESSS SABRINA GET THAT PROMO GIRL also nice outfits yall and slow rising until i get noticed LOL
just discovered this podcast and i’m obsessed!! this episode was so good, sabrina is so underrated but has really perfected her craft over the years
I discovered Sabrina in 2022 when I decided to watch girl meets world and honestly have been a big fan since. I always thought she was super talented and deserved to be more popular
This is the first time I have heard of this podcast- so happy it was recommended to me. Learned a lot about the Disney machine today. Also, it was cool to learn about certain marketing strategies. Looking forward to more episodes. It would be neat if one day you two could analyze Madison Beer's career. The girl seemed to have everything behind her yet she never became mainstream.
First time ever seeing you guys, I’m only 3 minutes and 50 seconds in and I ALREADY know I’m going to be a new listener! So much positivity/ motivation/ inspiration IN THE FIRST THREE MINUTES! Wow. found you guys from looking up “sabrina carpenter style analysis” and this popped up… not what I was looking for but what I needed lol thank you for the motivation ❤❤❤
I’ve been a fan since girl meets world so I got to grow up with her albums and I’ve always thought she had so much potential and raw talent (also on a technical level she is an incredibly strong pop vocalist). I’m so glad to see her finally get recognition!
Love what you said about success being unpredictable but always coming to people who keep persisting. I know many talented artists who get crickets in response to their music or films (which are very good) but I admire them for still staying passionate about their craft. Mainstream popularity is in no way a measure of success imo, there are many other things like mastery of your craft, profits and stability which factor in.
another thing sabrina has started doing is sitting on the stage and giving relationship advice to fans
you guys are so well spoken and omg?? dc area slay
We love to see dmv representation in the media!!
ive loved her music since 2018. She is such a huge talent to me.
28:59 I've been saying!!! a lot of things, especially these days in the music industry, i feel are inspired by the kpop scene. Like Taylor Swift putting out 4 variations of the midnight album is not new at all. This strategies to boost album sales thing has been going on for a looong time in Kpop.
Sabrina deserves so much more 😔
i’ve been a fan of sabrina since disney channel and i saw her eyes wide open music video on commercial time and i’ve been obessed ever since haha
I’ve been following her for like 7 years and she’s finally popping off a lot more. ❤❤❤❤❤❤ Sometimes I wonder if overnight fame is better for Sabrina but…… IDK
I watched/listened to every episode so far either on the podcast or UA-cam. Good job Coco and Nicky! I love your insights, thoughts, and theories 🩵
I saw sabrina in the eras tour in Rio de Janeiro and got sooo more interested in her like the girl is so good!!!
Also first time listening to you guys and i loved it🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️🙇🏽♀️
I also think anonymity is something that gets people talking like Sia when she would wear the wig covering her face and Marshmello wearing the helmet people love that mystery.
I LOVE UR CHANNEL I’m gonna binge watch all ur videos
Singular Act 1 & 2 have some of my favorite songs on there and emails i can't send has no skips. I love her so much.
As a brazilian fangirl, you perfectly described our fan culture 🫶🏻 loved the video, Sabrina is so special, just subscribed
been a fan since "We'll be the stars" and i'm so happy she's finally getting the fame she deserves
really enjoyed the video! been a fan of sabrina since gmw and can’t blame a girl for trying. if y’all decide to discuss the variation expectation more another big example of it is in kpop albums and photocards! most albums come with 2 photocards (it’s different per group and per album) and albums usually have different versions, making fans want to buy more to collect all the variations. very popular tactic in the kpop industry
Love you guys!❤ Cheers!
I was obsessed with her on Disney and loved her songs when she first started making music. It makes me happy to see how far she has come 🩷
I think i've just found my new favorite podcast
This randomly popped up on UA-cam and I'm glad it did! To be honest, I wasn't a big fan of Sabrina until last year when emails I can't send came out. I'm happy Sabrina's finally getting the attention she deserves and she's gonna keep on growing!! ✌️
Also this is off topic but hopefully we'll get to see Sabrina and Olivia performing together in the future. 🙏
Thank you and take care!
First time listener here! I am really intrigued by this topic and will be checking out your other episodes!
Been a Sabrina fan since 2019. I cant believe she's becoming famous now when she has songs like Sue Me and thumbs
I love your brainstorming. Y’all already came out with a coffee book and like 3 other video ideas on the spot. I do this all the time
45 minutes on Sabrina Carpenter 😍 love thisssss
It’s crazy that Sabrina got so much hate because she was blamed for Olivia’s relationship ending, when in reality it’s a teenage romance, and Olivia had the audacity to call her ex a sociopath while building an entire career from shit talking him (and subsequently Sabrina) in all of her top 40 singles.
Olivia Rodrigo is the sociopath in that scenario.
I think you guys should talk about the Christina Grimmie effect (how security has changed in concerts after she passed away) 💚
I have loved her since "Sue me" incredibly skilled at such a young age
I live in the neighborhood with the church from the feathers video…. Let me tell you 100% not PR, the tea was PIPING hot the day my boyfriend’s grandma came home with the church gossip before it came out. Biiiiiiiig church drama and the arch bishop did indeed get his title revoked lmao
This is why I never give up on my weekly uploads you just never know when your Sabrina Carpenter moment will come around Never Give Up !
I was way too old for Girl Meets World but I watched it because I liked Boy Meets World and I thought Sabrina was great and I've been watching her career ever since. Though, I'm annoyed that nonsense is the one that got so popular. She has way better songs on that album that are so beautiful and show her talent more.
Already Over! Read Your Mind! Bad For Business! I could def see them being radio and TikTok hits. The way they got stuck in my head immediately UGH eics is such a good album
@vic_huimang I stay away from TikTok, so I don't really care about TikTok hits personally. My favorite is "How many things". Even all the other singles are better than Nonsense. Skinny Dipping was really cute and unappreciated.
@@abrielle13 Yeah I get you, was just naming songs that I could blowing up if from a bigger name. But she's growing now so let's see!
just randomly clicked on this and i love your energy!!! definitely will continue to listen on spotify:)
been a carpenter since 2017, im excited for people to realize her talent
Love Sabrina Carpenter
i grew up rewatching girl meets world and that's how i discovered sabrina. I've been fan ever since then and I'm so happy to see her get recognized for her insane talent
Heeey, a Brazilian here, and I guess artists like to perform over here is probably because we are scandalously loud hahaha and that's definitely because we are passionate about everything we like/do.
One of my favorite things to do when I am in a concert is screaming the lyrics like crazy and dance a lot, and sometimes I see videos of other countries and the crowd is really there to have the experience of hearing the artist sing, and not sing with them (which is totally fine btw, but how things work around here :)
Another great example for the surprise section are kpop photocards, people buy tons of the same album just to get the one photo of their favourite idol.
Another thing with the variation and kpop is that NewJeans has been pretty much remixing their performances and songs for, well only important shows. Their whole thing is always being fresh and new, so it figures, but I loved what they did with BBMA
I eventually found ur guys podcast on Spotify but can you link it for ur next video because I had a hard time, love ur vids
how did u find them on spotify?