It's interesting to hear the American / British perspective on the whole "inclusivity" topic. I personally do not see it as necessary, simply hire the best person for the task, no reason to complicate it. It is a non-issue in the army, here everybody is equally worthless ^^ (janteloven) One thing that I've heard is jarring from a black US PFC, is how casually we swear and generally throw around racist humor, or just joke about death and horror in general. I think one of biggest "issues" international people perceive, is how casually we discuss often taboo subjects... I'm of course biased, since I'm a born and bred Dane, I would never feel able to speak freely in the US.
I was about to write the same thing! Meritocracy is best. I am British and I have predominately Danish friends, great people, and the best friends you could ever have. I would hate to hear someone not being hired based on their gender or skin! This goes for us white folks too. I love Denmark and cannot see any reason it should change.
Yeah I think the point more broadly was that there is distinct bias in hiring people with Danish names etc. and including a photo on the CV perpetuates that further. Why would anyone change a bias or a system they benefit from? Regarding racist humor, you could make those jokes in the US or UK - you’re free to do so, but you’re not free of how you’re perceived because of it.
@@RobeTrotting I'd argue that being socially shunned and ostracized for using inappropriate humor, is in fact not free speech - something I hold very dear. I can't speak to the hiring bias, but I to would prefer "compatible" people when setting up a group. Being to different is gonna be a hindrance during a lot of tasks.... - It's simply inefficient. But as I said... I don't know much about this dynamic, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever.
I have done interviews of nondanes and the reason for the more personal questions. Are not really to intrude on your privacy but actually your are more or less very close to getting the position. We are asking to learn a bit more on how well you will fit into the team. At least in the company i worked in at the time. And wether or not you are planning to have kids or not is fairly irrelevant, but if you consider that you are qualified for the position and an asset to the company you will still be an asset after you return from having a kid. Like most of your content, its been quite informative. And i wish you all the best. Take care and have fun.
As a local, I have to say that we may not always seem Welcoming, but we really do need and want you here 👍😍👍 ! Bring Kids.., we need them too ( childbirth declining in DK 😌) 🤣 !! As always a really good VLOG ❤
At the beginning of May I visited Copenhagen for a couple of days to explore my options and feel the vibe of the place.Although I am an EU citizen with a usable college degree and a passionate affinity for photography absolutely no Danes were too inclined to have a meaningful conversation with me but those who did were from Syria and India.The only pleasant thing that happened to me in Copenhagen was the photos I took...the human interaction was very cold even though i consider myself a relatively pleasant person who enjoys art.Anyway I enjoyed my stay and I especially enjoyed in Brooklyn Defender at Bastard's Cafe.
Danes change jobs very often, so don't worry too much about whether companies think you'll move on in a couple of years. Staying in a place for three years is actually not a short stay.
@@KaptajnKaffe Yeah, sure, since it's their local area and they aren't mobile. Especially if they change jobs to another teaching position, it would be pretty much the same job with the same salary, so there's not much point in changing jobs.
I think it's because we are used to our "safety net"...transfer income and health insurance... we DON'T have to "settle" for a mediocre job, for the sake of our survival, and the welfare of the family. -so if something exciting or new presents itself, we jump on it.
Lots of good advice! I agree that it is a waste of time to apply for a job where you don't have all the skills they ask for (like speaking the language). PS : You didn't mention the cute puppy, maybe you did in an earlier episode I missed?☺
in my experience, of cause depending af the job, English is often the norm. I went to a conference about AI in marketing. The first thing they said. Is there any none Danish speaking? 2 out of ~150 raise there hands. Ok we will continue in English. So I was a little bit lost as my english is not that good.
Language - language - language. How easy would it be to get a job in the UK or USA if you only spoke Danish? We usually speak fairly good English, but it's always harder to speak your second language 6-8 hours a day.
Meh, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison when English is the global bridge language and language of business in Europe and Danish is… not. Danes also don’t do particularly well speaking with non-native speakers in Danish. Native-English speakers are better in that area. I don’t think anyone expects to be eligible for every job in Denmark without speaking Danish but they also need employment before they master Danish and the economy needs foreign labor including for international corporations doing business here.
work life balance ..... in some of the bigger companies the work hours CAN be longer and might be longer over time ...especially sales jobs are the culprit here.. you can be " pressured " into working more than the standard hours and you can ofc chose to do it willingly aswell , some ppl are workahollics , even here in denmark ,but what is not allowed is not getting your vacation time and all the other benefits in the danish work laws ....Can you get around them legally NO..but in other ways ? ofc.... i had few years where i didnt fell i needed all my weeks of vacation AND i did go to work and was paid in "other ways" but that is no way the norm
there may be laws stating what you can and can't ask, aswell as how you may judge someone when you are hiring. But Denmark is well known in EU for not obeying to laws that involve how you treat people, and most companies are even open about it. Just a few years back alot of kindergardens in sjælland said, they may be required to interview both women and men, but they will only hire women. Even when it comes to GDPR the state has openly said they will not obey the law, once the excuse even was "it's too much of a workload burden, to switch the current rutines"
I really hate the word "diversity" and the way it's used, because it implies that just because we look alike, we have the same thoughts, opinion and experiences. It would be considered highly offensive to say that about people of other ethnicities, but because I have blonde hair and blue eyes, it's suddenly okay. I grew up in the western area of the capital region. My experiences are vastly different from someone who grew up in the northern area of the capital, which is not even an hour away. Expecting to see people of all ethnicities in a group of people when you're in a country that is 86,11% homogenous as of 2020 seems pretty unreasonable...
There is a touch of a "I'm sure these uncultured yokels will eventually learn to be culturally enlightend like us" in the tone. It's sorts grating. I do get that it is not an easy tranch of subjects to cover, and it'd probably should be an uncomfortable conversation if it is taken seriously. It does come across a touch arrogant though? Good job aplication advice overall.
Let's have a look at the statistics shall we? Immigration population 2024: US=15.28%, DK=12.39%, not that different. Global Gender Gap Index (GGGI) 2023: US=73%, DK=75%, basically the same. Racial Equality Rankings 2024: US=73, DK=7! It is a misconception that the US is doing better because "big" and Denmark "small". We all have to deal with the same issues proportionate to our country sizes - that does not make the solution for each country less challenging.
Sometimes I wish you would reverse the Q and A, would a Danish with NO language skills apply for jobs in UK/US-India-Africa, and think, it will all be just fine????? At least if you want to work here, try and be proficient in Danish, and if Danish culture is so difficult,try another country!!!!
I don’t think this podcast is meant for you, it’s really for foreigners living in Denmark (which your economy and public sector depends on so I wouldn’t be so quick to tell people to leave).
@@RobeTrotting You misunderstand me, you are all welcome, but embrace the danish culture and benefits,instead off complain and trying to change it, that is what we have to do when working abroad!
@@RobeTrottingso it's wrong to ask foreningers that are living in Denmark to learn Danish. So if you moved to Japan, shouldn't you learn japanese? Now I know why I hate foreigners, that don't want to learn the fucking language
It's interesting to hear the American / British perspective on the whole "inclusivity" topic.
I personally do not see it as necessary, simply hire the best person for the task, no reason to complicate it.
It is a non-issue in the army, here everybody is equally worthless ^^ (janteloven)
One thing that I've heard is jarring from a black US PFC, is how casually we swear and generally throw around racist humor, or just joke about death and horror in general.
I think one of biggest "issues" international people perceive, is how casually we discuss often taboo subjects... I'm of course biased, since I'm a born and bred Dane, I would never feel able to speak freely in the US.
I was about to write the same thing! Meritocracy is best. I am British and I have predominately Danish friends, great people, and the best friends you could ever have. I would hate to hear someone not being hired based on their gender or skin! This goes for us white folks too. I love Denmark and cannot see any reason it should change.
Yeah I think the point more broadly was that there is distinct bias in hiring people with Danish names etc. and including a photo on the CV perpetuates that further. Why would anyone change a bias or a system they benefit from?
Regarding racist humor, you could make those jokes in the US or UK - you’re free to do so, but you’re not free of how you’re perceived because of it.
@@RobeTrotting I'd argue that being socially shunned and ostracized for using inappropriate humor, is in fact not free speech - something I hold very dear.
I can't speak to the hiring bias, but I to would prefer "compatible" people when setting up a group.
Being to different is gonna be a hindrance during a lot of tasks.... - It's simply inefficient.
But as I said... I don't know much about this dynamic, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever.
Tænk sig engang, hvis jeg begyndte at sige hvad jeg tænkte I et ikke skandinavisk land. 😂
Jeg ville blive myrdet på stedet 😅😮😂
I have done interviews of nondanes and the reason for the more personal questions. Are not really to intrude on your privacy but actually your are more or less very close to getting the position. We are asking to learn a bit more on how well you will fit into the team. At least in the company i worked in at the time. And wether or not you are planning to have kids or not is fairly irrelevant, but if you consider that you are qualified for the position and an asset to the company you will still be an asset after you return from having a kid.
Like most of your content, its been quite informative. And i wish you all the best. Take care and have fun.
As a local, I have to say that we may not always seem Welcoming, but we really do need and want you here 👍😍👍 ! Bring Kids.., we need them too ( childbirth declining in DK 😌) 🤣 !! As always a really good VLOG ❤
At the beginning of May I visited Copenhagen for a couple of days to explore my options and feel the vibe of the place.Although I am an EU citizen with a usable college degree and a passionate affinity for photography absolutely no Danes were too inclined to have a meaningful conversation with me but those who did were from Syria and India.The only pleasant thing that happened to me in Copenhagen was the photos I took...the human interaction was very cold even though i consider myself a relatively pleasant person who enjoys art.Anyway I enjoyed my stay and I especially enjoyed in Brooklyn Defender at Bastard's Cafe.
Danes change jobs very often, so don't worry too much about whether companies think you'll move on in a couple of years. Staying in a place for three years is actually not a short stay.
Depends on what you do
@@KaptajnKaffe Which jobs?
@@martinskovpoulsen2736 teachers would be one. Many teachers in northern jutland have taught in schools for decades.
@@KaptajnKaffe Yeah, sure, since it's their local area and they aren't mobile. Especially if they change jobs to another teaching position, it would be pretty much the same job with the same salary, so there's not much point in changing jobs.
I think it's because we are used to our "safety net"...transfer income and health insurance...
we DON'T have to "settle" for a mediocre job, for the sake of our survival, and the welfare of the family.
-so if something exciting or new presents itself, we jump on it.
Lots of good advice! I agree that it is a waste of time to apply for a job where you don't have all the skills they ask for (like speaking the language).
PS : You didn't mention the cute puppy, maybe you did in an earlier episode I missed?☺
in my experience, of cause depending af the job, English is often the norm. I went to a conference about AI in marketing. The first thing they said. Is there any none Danish speaking? 2 out of ~150 raise there hands. Ok we will continue in English. So I was a little bit lost as my english is not that good.
Language - language - language. How easy would it be to get a job in the UK or USA if you only spoke Danish? We usually speak fairly good English, but it's always harder to speak your second language 6-8 hours a day.
Meh, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison when English is the global bridge language and language of business in Europe and Danish is… not.
Danes also don’t do particularly well speaking with non-native speakers in Danish. Native-English speakers are better in that area.
I don’t think anyone expects to be eligible for every job in Denmark without speaking Danish but they also need employment before they master Danish and the economy needs foreign labor including for international corporations doing business here.
work life balance ..... in some of the bigger companies the work hours CAN be longer and might be longer over time ...especially sales jobs are the culprit here.. you can be " pressured " into working more than the standard hours and you can ofc chose to do it willingly aswell , some ppl are workahollics , even here in denmark ,but what is not allowed is not getting your vacation time and all the other benefits in the danish work laws ....Can you get around them legally NO..but in other ways ? ofc.... i had few years where i didnt fell i needed all my weeks of vacation AND i did go to work and was paid in "other ways" but that is no way the norm
But do they pay overtime?
@@crecer_y_emprender yes, and 2x overtime on holidays,, you know alongside our 5 weeks of vacation, sick leave and and a year of parental leave
Danish employers ask prospective hirees a lot of questions they're not actually allowed to. Especially if you're a woman.
there may be laws stating what you can and can't ask, aswell as how you may judge someone when you are hiring. But Denmark is well known in EU for not obeying to laws that involve how you treat people, and most companies are even open about it. Just a few years back alot of kindergardens in sjælland said, they may be required to interview both women and men, but they will only hire women. Even when it comes to GDPR the state has openly said they will not obey the law, once the excuse even was "it's too much of a workload burden, to switch the current rutines"
I really hate the word "diversity" and the way it's used, because it implies that just because we look alike, we have the same thoughts, opinion and experiences. It would be considered highly offensive to say that about people of other ethnicities, but because I have blonde hair and blue eyes, it's suddenly okay. I grew up in the western area of the capital region. My experiences are vastly different from someone who grew up in the northern area of the capital, which is not even an hour away. Expecting to see people of all ethnicities in a group of people when you're in a country that is 86,11% homogenous as of 2020 seems pretty unreasonable...
Diversity doesn’t refer to ethnicity alone. Even in this discussion it’s not used to mean that.
There is a touch of a "I'm sure these uncultured yokels will eventually learn to be culturally enlightend like us" in the tone. It's sorts grating. I do get that it is not an easy tranch of subjects to cover, and it'd probably should be an uncomfortable conversation if it is taken seriously. It does come across a touch arrogant though? Good job aplication advice overall.
Let's have a look at the statistics shall we? Immigration population 2024: US=15.28%, DK=12.39%, not that different. Global Gender Gap Index (GGGI) 2023: US=73%, DK=75%, basically the same. Racial Equality Rankings 2024: US=73, DK=7! It is a misconception that the US is doing better because "big" and Denmark "small". We all have to deal with the same issues proportionate to our country sizes - that does not make the solution for each country less challenging.
Sometimes I wish you would reverse the Q and A, would a Danish with NO language skills apply for jobs in UK/US-India-Africa, and think, it will all be just fine????? At least if you want to work here, try and be proficient in Danish, and if Danish culture is so difficult,try another country!!!!
I don’t think this podcast is meant for you, it’s really for foreigners living in Denmark (which your economy and public sector depends on so I wouldn’t be so quick to tell people to leave).
@@RobeTrotting You misunderstand me, you are all welcome, but embrace the danish culture and benefits,instead off complain and trying to change it, that is what we have to do when working abroad!
@@RobeTrottingso it's wrong to ask foreningers that are living in Denmark to learn Danish.
So if you moved to Japan, shouldn't you learn japanese?
Now I know why I hate foreigners, that don't want to learn the fucking language