Knowing and believing are different things. You mean to say "we need to BELIEVE...". Knowledge is demonstrable. Belief is not. Also, no. We do not need to believe. It's better knowing things are true rather than believe they are.
@@MikeTMikeWe DO need to believe. That's a very clear command from scripture. If you do not BELIEVE in the things in which you cannot see, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You HAVE TO HAVE FAITH.
@@pirategamer6630 "Scripture" also says to kill homosexuals, and to buy slaves. How many homosexuals have you killed, and how many slaves do you have? If you BELIEVE things you have no evidence for, when do you stop? And faith is not a path to truth. If you can have faith god exists, and someone, from a different religion, has faith Vishnu exists and your god doesn't, how do we know who's right? You can't be both right. You can be both wrong, though.
@@MikeTMike If you have knowledge of something, do you not have belief of it? If I know that there is a tree on the Earth, do I not believe that there is a tree on the Earth?
some random Catholic here and just wanna say I like the way you include jokes into some solid theological teaching, plus its my first time to see a scandinavian speaking about christianity positevely, so yea keep going brother and God bless :)
How is the European re-taking going? Have you made any ways in the various prestigious research universities, such as Copenhagen, Jena, Heidelerbg etc? Got friends among their theological faculties?
Great video! Very succinct description of the Trinitarian doctrine. I never understand why it seems so difficult for other who don't believe what scripture clearly teaches about the nature of God. It's all there. P.S. I was a little caught off guard when I saw Mr. House hiding among all those paintings of saints but I get it. He's certainly the Saint of New Vegas to me, lol 😆. I laughed so hard when I saw it. Thanks for that. New Vegas is the best!
A person can be whatever you want depending on how you define the word. When we talk about trinitarian persons/hypostasis they by definition do not require *independent* being. In other words, completely different use/definition of the word than when we talk about a human person.
@@derrickpurdy7011 a word means what you define it to mean. When it comes to philosophy we have to define how a term is being used to avoid misunderstanding. The original word, as I said in the video, used wasn't the English word "person" (shockingly English wasn't the language of the early church), but the Greek word ὑπόστασις (hypostasis).
By knowing ourselves, and that we are images of God, we can understand somewhat how the Trinity can exist. We are made up of mind, body, and spirit; so is God! The difference is God is impossibly infinite to understand, but we can still know Him (Thank God)
Isn't being fully god and being limited simultaneously a contradiction? If god not being eternal means he isn't god then if god isn't all knowing he's also not god. In order to be fully divine you need every attribute of god and that means knowing the hour and not needing to learn anything because you are fully god (all knowing)
Jesus' humanity is not the same as his divinity. His humanity wasn't divine and his divinity wasn't human. United personally, the Son was both (I will make another video on this some day, not the subject here)
Wait, how is the clover analogy partialism? It's still one clover, but that clover is 3 distint leaves. Each leaf is still the clover just as much as the other one is.
Very much missed opportunity with the Green analogy: the underlying reality is not just a photon particle, but also a wave. Those are two distinct underlying realities of the same thing. How?? It doesn't change form, it's not two parts of whole, it is both at all times, and you can _perceive_ it as one or the other, or both at same time, and both have their own consequences. Could this "di-une" nature of light be *the* analogy for triune God? Nah, I guess I just committed some other kind of heresy.
I've had this idea for awhile now that since love needs a person to share it, and another to receive it, is the trinity supposed to explain how god is selfless while being self-sustaining, and make a possible answer as to why love is the way it is?
@@metatron4890 I will not deny that my idea is flawed and needs work. God is three persons in one, but my possible explanation only needs two, where does the spirit come in? He is a person as well, I cannot deny him. Perhaps we could look at my idea as ONE of the possible reasons for the trinity, not the whole answer.
The trinity invalidates logic. If you've got three gods and they're indistinguishable, then it's like pouring three bottles of black ink into the same bowl. There's no differentiation so you DON'T have three. There's only ONE. And how could you have three gods that are different. Then each god is LACKING something, and a perfect god lacks NOTHING. And so if none of them are lacking anything, we're back to the three bottles of black ink. Your Trinity defies logic. And if you tell me you have to rely on faith, you invalidate the whole reason for trying to understand this in the first place. The Creator is ECHAD. The Creator is ONE. Not that the Creator is not TWO but that the Creator ONLY. There's ONLY the Creator, not the Creator plus the physical world. If God is omnipresent, how could there be a world outside of himself. Like they teach some children, "there's no spot where God is not!" Study the concept of tzimtzum.
Great video. I just have one recommendation. When you out text on the screen leave it screen a little bit longer to give the audience time to read the text.
I'll try to do that more! They might take up the whole video though, I highlight the important parts in yellow for that reason. Thanks for the tip brother!
Great vid, but as you speak your S’s are kinda sharp. It’s not your voice but a mic/recording setting. Look into the settings of whatever recorder/equalizer/interface you use to adjust it
How? Kneel to trace picture children. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. That's how.
Don't stop there. Deep, foundational problems with the new testament can be found on virtually every page. Put that together with the cherry picking nature of much of the so-called evidence they use to back their claims, and the whole thing becomes a giant boondoggle. I think the whole thing is designed to confuse a person so badly they believe almost anything.
A friend asked me what exactly the Holy Spirit is, and I tried to explain but then realised I didn't really know how. I know this sounds dumb, but could you try to explain it? Thank you so much and sorry 😭♥
It's a person/hypostasis, just like the Father and Son. I think you'll get a better explanation by just rewatching the last part of the video, and reading the Athanasian creed, than I can give you in a youtube comment lol God bless you, thank you for watching, and I'm praying you find the answers!
This is the way I personally understood it. Job 32:8 says 'But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.' So, from this verse we can see that the Holy Spirit that God breathed into man originally existed within God. He came from inside God himself. This shows that God did not create the Holy Spirit, the same way man did not need to create air before breathing air out of our lungs. As man breath out air, we are merely releasing what we had within us all along. So, I believe it is reasonable to conclude that God always had both His Word and His Spirit existing within him all along without having to create them. That's why Jesus who has all of God's Word and all of God's Spirit is the Firstborn son of God, in the sense that God gave birth to him without having to create Him because He always exists and is hidden within God all along. I believe this is also confirmed in John 17:21. I don't claim to have complete understanding on this issue but at least this way I could make sense of the Trinity in my mind. Hope it helps.
It's different in that they aren't manifestations at all, but God's very nature. He doesn't *choose* to be Father, Son, and Spirit. He reveals himself that way because it actually is what he is like in his essence. Similar to how he doesn't *choose* to be loving, he reveals himself as love because his essence *actually* is love.
@@vasymusic2556 Since only God is eternal I interpret 1 Corinthians 13:13 as reffering to God's attributes (his Persons) and first being Love (from the father) and Hope belonging to Christ (without his sacrifice we cannot be saved) and Faith to the Holy Spirit (as we receive the HS at conversion). Also, the statement with love being the greatest can be understood as in the Nicene creed with God the father preceding ("only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father" and "Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]").
@@vasymusic2556 sort of, he has one essence that is explained in terms of three hypostases. Three hypostases how we explain the one unified essence. Just as how we can explain the one essence by terms of "love, justice, etc." without dividing the essence into parts or aspects.
It works for explaining concepts, but never the trinity as a whole. So in some sense I agree, but you have to be educated on the Philosophical concepts of the Trinity proper to use them well without leading anyone into error.
3:20 not at all..just clever marketing slogans like 'Things go better with coke' and my favorite, 'The nicest people ride a Honda'..disclaimer.I own a Honda Scooter Sh150..amen
You said that the actions of the three persons are inseparable. One can't do anything without the others doing it too. So when Jesus talks or prays to the Father, you think that the Father is also talking or praying to Jesus because their actions are inseparable? Or when Jesus says to his disciples that he'll send the Holy Spirit later, does he really mean that he'll send himself and the Father as well? For that matter, were the Holy Spirit and the Father actually incarnated on earth since all their actions are inseparable? And in a similar vein, do you believe that the Father begets the Son but, equally, the Son begets the Father-given that their actions are inseparable? Thank you.
I understand the confusion, the video deals with the divine nature of God, not the incarnation, I apologize if I didn't make that clear. Inseperable operations refers to the actions of the divinity, not of the humanity in which naturally only the son acts through the hypostatic union. Also it refers to operations *ad extra*, external to God himself. *Ad intra* operations are distinct between the persons, because they are the ways by which the persons are distinct by definition. I.e. the Son praying to the Father.
@@CrossbearerYT Thank you for replying. Definitions can be very helpful things. But when it comes to theological claims, they can also be problematic. Essentially, Christians seem to be saying, "God has distinct parts-necessarily so, since we believe in a trinity-except we don't want to call them "parts," so we'll call them "persons" (or hypostases) and *define* that kind of a part, since it is internal to God's nature, as not a part." But why would internality, if the "persons" are taken literally, make them not separate parts, rationally speaking-other than by fiat of a definition?
@@KingoftheJuice18 you are correct in a sense. We make a *FORMAL* distinction between persons, meaning for the sake of explaining the divine nature we "divide it up" into adjectives, aspects, and yes persons, so that we can begin to comprehend who God (who otherwise would be completely incomprehensible) is. There is however no *ESSENTIAL* difference between the persons, meaning if you theoretically *could* have a full understanding of God's nature you wouldn't understand parts or aspects or persons of God, only how he is completely simple (not made up of "stuff") and infinite. Thank you for the good faith question! I understand it doesn't help having to understand all the philosophy that goes into our explanation of God but I hope it helps haha
@@CrossbearerYT My pleasure...In Jewish theology God has attributes, which you could also call adjectives or aspects, but they are all connected to God's actions and how God chooses to enter into relationship with us. I guess it's not so far (in theological principles) from the former Christian approach ("heresy") you call Modalism. Things like God's mercy or God's justice are not literally reified into divine beings. I believe "angels" are the closest we come to doing this, but I, like some others, see angels in symbolic terms anyway. To non-trinitarians, it's the Christian insistence that the three persons MUST be (ontologically?) distinct and separate (e.g., Jesus was begotten), but also that they CANNOT be essentially distinct and separate -which sounds like a theological sleight-of-hand, or having your cake and also eating it. But of course the Christian way to describe all this is "mystery." I can respect that, as long as Christians don't claim that (1) this is the teaching of Hebrew Scriptures; or (2) that a proper and full understanding of the nature of the trinity is essential to salvation. A good God, I contend, couldn't make salvation dependent on such philosophical conundrums-in any religion.
Humans are made in the image of God. Humans are three- soul, body and spirit, and yet are one. My body is me, my spirit is me, my soul is me. God is likewise three in this way, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, are all separate, but are the same one God.
How can 1 pizza have 3 slices? NOOOO THEY'RE 3 SEPARATE PIZZAS!! -_- Body, soul, spirit. --- The Gospel of Lord Jesus John 3:16-18 (Jesus speaking) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.
There is no trinity in the bible nor does God reveal himself as three nowhere to be found. The Israelites and Jews believed in a strictly monotheistic religion of which Jesus and the disciples were born into. Therefore, they would have believed as all those before them did that Jehovah God is *One God and one Person, the Father*
Keep studying. You can find it in the old testament. God the Father, God the spirit, God the word made flesh. The Branch between heaven and Earth. The fire in the bush.
when do you have split personality disorder, or just dont know, let God know for you. so why would you carry your cross every day. let God give your free gift back to you. do you remember your every day sacrifice, against the cross. what every day gathering of sticks during sabbath. be free. God gave you a free gift, dont waste it by working.
The Trinity is basically a concept that interprets in reverse (eisegesis), defined by 2nd century church father named Tertulian, from the book of Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His OWN IMAGE So, what's reversed? man like God, so, God like man. Man has 3 basic components: body, soul, and spirit. If you die, your body is buried, your soul goes to heaven (assumed), so which one are you, the body or the soul? Are you one or are you two? or 2 in 1? All those who believe in spiritual matters, like religion, usually immediately believe that humans have a body and a soul (usually depicted as a transparent body). In Christianity (and Judaism), they believe in another component called the spirit, which is the life energy sourced from God, and when a person dies, the body is buried, the soul goes to heaven (paradise) or hell (hades), and the spirit or life energy will return to its source which is God. Now, the concept of the Trinity, by interpreting Genesis 1:27 in reverse, where man is in the image of God, means that God also has 3 components like body, soul, and spirit. Body: Jesus Christ Soul: Holy Spirit Spirit: God the Father Just like the body, soul, and spirit of man: Body = Man Soul = Man Spirit = Man But Body is not the soul, Soul is not the spirit, Spirit is not the body. In conclusion, the reverse interpretation for classic trinity is: Jesus = God Father = God Holy Spirit = God But Jesus is not the Father, Father is not the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit is not Jesus.
I heard a great video that uses an analogy to explain the trinity. God isn't a person, God is persons. God is the Holy Spirity, the Father, and the Son. And for the analogy, let me use the bible as an example. Genesis is one part of the bible. You wouldn't say genesis only is the bible, no because tehre are other parts. It still is the bible, but there are other parts too. Genesis is the bible, just the same as Matthew is the bible. But Matthew isn't Genesis and Genesis isn't Matthew.
Unfortunately, that’s a bad analogy. That describes Partialism, which is considered a heresy. In Trinitarian theology, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not “parts” of God. Rather, each hypostasis (or “person”) is fully God. In order for the Genesis-Bible analogy to apply, you would have to say that Genesis is the totality of the Bible. But of course, that’s doesn’t add up. Moreover, you actually can say “only God”; it’s biblical language. See John 17:3 where Jesus says that the Father is “the only true God”. There is only one God. And as trinitarians argue, the Son and Holy Spirit are one in the everlasting essence with God the Father. One God, three hypostases (or three “persons”). The Trinity is not easy to understand. Not one analogy is going to settle your curiosity. If you’re that interested in the topic, take my advice: study as much as you can from respected sources for two years - praying for guidance from the Holy Spirit who’s sent by the Almighty - then take a seat back and ponder what the Trinity doctrine entails. Really take time to reflect on what you believe and why.
@@zekdom I have come to Christ recently, starting at the middle of the fall semester last year, 2023. Ever since, I have been growing and Christ, studying the word, and noticing him transforming me. I'm definitely grateful for such. Your statement leads me to the qustion though, where does partialism as a heresy come from? That they are not "parts" because in the bible it distinctly refers to them as being seperate, but of one? The father, Son, and Holy Spirits from what it sounds like are 3 different roles that God fulfills, which I know y'all say is modalism. I'm just trying to see where it comes from that those are heresies, and can't be correct.
Partialism is heresy because God is a single unified being, and partialism makes him essentially divisible, which would mean there is something more foundational to existence than God. On prooftext it would deny "I am in the Father and the Father is in me". Partialism also as the video states results in tritheism. Modalism is heresy because it posits that God only *chooses* to appear as 3 persons. Trinitarianism posits that he is revealed as 3 persons because it truly is who God is in his essence-We see God relating to himself in the Bible (Father to Son and vice versa). If modalism was true this would essentially be theatre play by God, and not a true representation of who he is, which would mean God misrepresents himself in his word. That's long, but I hope it helps :D
@@CrossbearerYT The modalism one makes sense. Partialism on the other hand I still don't quite see, in fact it seems like quite the opposite from the bible. If it is truly heresy, hopefully God will reveal it to me in time. If the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, then that means they are separate, even though all fo them are fully God. They even play different "parts" in the bible as we know the Father and Son communicate to each other and the Holy Spirit even comes down to Jesus (if I remember correctly). They each perform differently, such as Jesus having to pray to the Father.
How can 8 billion persons be just ONE human nature? ”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.“ 1 John 5:7
The fact u need a video to explain it shows how it makes no sense cos trinitys wereccalwayscworshiped by pagan nations Nimrod was part of a trinity with his mother When you install the divine name Jehovah back in the bible 7000 times it ocurs then it becomes clear Jesus said i am going back to my father because he is greater than i Peter was asked by jesus who am i he said you are the christ the SON of the living god When was a son ever equal or same as his father No where in scripture is a trinity statement orvthe word trinity or the idea Constantine incorperated it into the apostate chuch in nicea 300 yrs after christs death The nation of israel had no understanding of such Our god jehovah is one jehovah King james bible ps 83v18 Jehovah alone is the most high
Everyone believed in the trinity (as in the deity of Christ and the Spirit), even before it was carefully defined in the 4th century. The ones who didn't were never part of the church catholic. By the "You need a video to explain it means its false" logic, gravity doesn't exist. I'll make a video on the Council of Nicaea and St. Constantine the Great someday, hope you'll watch that! God bless you!
@@CrossbearerYTNone of the true believers believed in any sort of trinity, because none of them believed that the Spirit of God was a distinct person and none of them believed that Jesus was God. They all knew that there was only one true God, the God and Father of Jesus Christ, and that the Father made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
The Holy Trinity is a man made concept that does not exist in the natural world we call reality. Here's the concept: Father - The Hebrew god Yahweh who always existed and created all things. Son - The end times preacher called Yeshua/Jesus who was Yeshua in the Human form. Holy Spirit - A feeling of confidence that your belief in Yahweh is correct.
the trinity was made up by a small group of bishops in 330 ad under the direct orders of the governor , Constantine, Is it true.?.no more than your take or mine...we cannot know about humans on other planets little less other invisible creatures in outer space..amen
Brother, literally only 18 of the 300+ bishops there voted against the Nicene Creed, and no, the word was first coined by Tertullian in the 2nd century.
@@CrossbearerYT Not to mention the fact that Athanasius, Basil, and Gregory all defended the Trinity and the tenants that would become the Athanasian creed not by appealing to living magisterial authority or tradition, but in every letter and argument invoked scripture alone to prove their position. They let the scripture be their “umpire,” so if it were not the express teaching of scripture, surely it would have been an easy dispute to clear up. Side note, could you please provide me with the Tertullian citation? I just had this same conversation irl and would love to have that reference on hand.
Tack för denna video min unga kristna broder, vilken kyrka går du till? Btw let’s kick the politicians out of the Church of Sweden! Edit:Gustavus Adolphus in the background goes hard🇸🇪
thanks, i think I finally understand the trinity now. its revealed something striking - the orthodox view litterally doesn't make sense. draw a circle within a circle within a circle. thats the catholic view of God. draw a circle, and draw two separate circles within it, that's the orthodox view of God. now God is God because he sees and controls the world, so lets represent the world as another circle shaded dark, and try to fit it inside all the circles. it fits in the Catholic circles, but you will always miss one of the circles in the orthodox view, requiring a strange (and false) duplication of the world to get it to fit both, which you cannot do. if the God circles are not above containing the world, that circle is not really a God circle, because it would not know nor have control over the world. by not having the holy spirit proceed from the father and the son, you force either the Jesus or the holy spirit to stop being God. it was right and fitting that the catholic church changed the creed to reflect this fact.
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I'd argue that since the Trinity is the nature of God we can't completely know it, but we need to know certain things about it.
exactly!
Knowing and believing are different things. You mean to say "we need to BELIEVE...".
Knowledge is demonstrable. Belief is not.
Also, no. We do not need to believe. It's better knowing things are true rather than believe they are.
@@MikeTMikeWe DO need to believe. That's a very clear command from scripture.
If you do not BELIEVE in the things in which you cannot see, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You HAVE TO HAVE FAITH.
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"Scripture" also says to kill homosexuals, and to buy slaves. How many homosexuals have you killed, and how many slaves do you have?
If you BELIEVE things you have no evidence for, when do you stop? And faith is not a path to truth. If you can have faith god exists, and someone, from a different religion, has faith Vishnu exists and your god doesn't, how do we know who's right? You can't be both right. You can be both wrong, though.
@@MikeTMike If you have knowledge of something, do you not have belief of it? If I know that there is a tree on the Earth, do I not believe that there is a tree on the Earth?
some random Catholic here and just wanna say I like the way you include jokes into some solid theological teaching, plus its my first time to see a scandinavian speaking about christianity positevely, so yea keep going brother and God bless :)
Did I hear a Calvinist hymn in the background here? I think I heard Genevan Psalter 42
I would have had Genevan Psalter 42 be the channel theme if I wasn't worried about St. Luther walking out of his grave to strangle me
Another banger from Crossbearer. Very cool!
Agreed
This is so well done. It deserves more views
It's a lie though
Subbed! ❤ keep growing bro
How is the European re-taking going? Have you made any ways in the various prestigious research universities, such as Copenhagen, Jena, Heidelerbg etc? Got friends among their theological faculties?
Great video! Very succinct description of the Trinitarian doctrine. I never understand why it seems so difficult for other who don't believe what scripture clearly teaches about the nature of God. It's all there.
P.S. I was a little caught off guard when I saw Mr. House hiding among all those paintings of saints but I get it. He's certainly the Saint of New Vegas to me, lol 😆. I laughed so hard when I saw it. Thanks for that. New Vegas is the best!
St. House pray for us!
Under what circumstances can a person lack being?
A person can be whatever you want depending on how you define the word. When we talk about trinitarian persons/hypostasis they by definition do not require *independent* being.
In other words, completely different use/definition of the word than when we talk about a human person.
@@CrossbearerYT In the English language, a person is always an independent being. I know that doesn't matter to you.
@@derrickpurdy7011 a word means what you define it to mean. When it comes to philosophy we have to define how a term is being used to avoid misunderstanding. The original word, as I said in the video, used wasn't the English word "person" (shockingly English wasn't the language of the early church), but the Greek word ὑπόστασις (hypostasis).
By knowing ourselves, and that we are images of God, we can understand somewhat how the Trinity can exist. We are made up of mind, body, and spirit; so is God! The difference is God is impossibly infinite to understand, but we can still know Him (Thank God)
Alright Patrick. But why won’t you try and give some cool analogy so us simpletons can understand the Trinity better. Come on Patrick.
Isn't being fully god and being limited simultaneously a contradiction?
If god not being eternal means he isn't god then if god isn't all knowing he's also not god.
In order to be fully divine you need every attribute of god and that means knowing the hour and not needing to learn anything because you are fully god (all knowing)
Jesus' humanity is not the same as his divinity. His humanity wasn't divine and his divinity wasn't human. United personally, the Son was both (I will make another video on this some day, not the subject here)
@@CrossbearerYT alright i will stay tuned for that video
What confuses me is how the father n jesus have different personalities? So its like they arent the same?
You should add a ‘further reading’ section in the description. Or at the end
All the sources are in the description. For this video they are a bit... dry and academic
Amazing video Linus, you explained it well👍
yes nonsense is hard to make plausible..amen
@@johnpro2847 Lol keep hating God
Wait, how is the clover analogy partialism? It's still one clover, but that clover is 3 distint leaves. Each leaf is still the clover just as much as the other one is.
Because each leaf is *part* of the clover, that's how it is partialism, God can not be divided into parts
Good video.
Very much missed opportunity with the Green analogy: the underlying reality is not just a photon particle, but also a wave. Those are two distinct underlying realities of the same thing. How?? It doesn't change form, it's not two parts of whole, it is both at all times, and you can _perceive_ it as one or the other, or both at same time, and both have their own consequences.
Could this "di-une" nature of light be *the* analogy for triune God? Nah, I guess I just committed some other kind of heresy.
Haha yeah I thought the same, but I decided not to take it too far since it would probably be some kind of heresy
Is it logically necessary for there to be three persons in God rather than some other number of persons in God?
Since God is by definition the most perfect being possible, yes. What that reason is though is beyond my paygrade
I've had this idea for awhile now that since love needs a person to share it, and another to receive it, is the trinity supposed to explain how god is selfless while being self-sustaining, and make a possible answer as to why love is the way it is?
@ChrisRion-xy3yb couldn't two persons in God satisfy your standard? One person loves the other and so on?
@@metatron4890 I will not deny that my idea is flawed and needs work. God is three persons in one, but my possible explanation only needs two, where does the spirit come in? He is a person as well, I cannot deny him. Perhaps we could look at my idea as ONE of the possible reasons for the trinity, not the whole answer.
The trinity invalidates logic.
If you've got three gods and they're indistinguishable, then it's like pouring three bottles of black ink into the same bowl. There's no differentiation so you DON'T have three. There's only ONE.
And how could you have three gods that are different. Then each god is LACKING something, and a perfect god lacks NOTHING.
And so if none of them are lacking anything, we're back to the three bottles of black ink.
Your Trinity defies logic.
And if you tell me you have to rely on faith, you invalidate the whole reason for trying to understand this in the first place.
The Creator is ECHAD.
The Creator is ONE.
Not that the Creator is not TWO but that the Creator ONLY.
There's ONLY the Creator, not the Creator plus the physical world.
If God is omnipresent, how could there be a world outside of himself.
Like they teach some children, "there's no spot where God is not!"
Study the concept of tzimtzum.
I can’t wait to see your video on Arian!
Great video. I just have one recommendation. When you out text on the screen leave it screen a little bit longer to give the audience time to read the text.
I'll try to do that more! They might take up the whole video though, I highlight the important parts in yellow for that reason. Thanks for the tip brother!
Great vid, but as you speak your S’s are kinda sharp. It’s not your voice but a mic/recording setting. Look into the settings of whatever recorder/equalizer/interface you use to adjust it
Thanks for the tip brother! I swear, audio processing and mic settings is the most difficult part of making videos
The mr house icon got a giggle out of me
Keep up the good works😊😊
uhm, it's ackshually it's faith, not works
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How?
Kneel to trace picture children.
G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth.
O is a whole measure.
D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
That's how.
How do we sit here thinking we can understand how God works is the real question.
We can't fully, we can as far as he reveals himself
special revelation..I think that premise is incorrect
Don't stop there.
Deep, foundational problems with the new testament can be found on virtually every page.
Put that together with the cherry picking nature of much of the so-called evidence they use to back their claims, and the whole thing becomes a giant boondoggle.
I think the whole thing is designed to confuse a person so badly they believe almost anything.
Why do you have a picture of Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas 😂
because the game was rigged from the start
A friend asked me what exactly the Holy Spirit is, and I tried to explain but then realised I didn't really know how. I know this sounds dumb, but could you try to explain it? Thank you so much and sorry 😭♥
It's a person/hypostasis, just like the Father and Son. I think you'll get a better explanation by just rewatching the last part of the video, and reading the Athanasian creed, than I can give you in a youtube comment lol
God bless you, thank you for watching, and I'm praying you find the answers!
@@CrossbearerYT thank youuu
This is the way I personally understood it.
Job 32:8 says 'But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.'
So, from this verse we can see that the Holy Spirit that God breathed into man originally existed within God. He came from inside God himself. This shows that God did not create the Holy Spirit, the same way man did not need to create air before breathing air out of our lungs. As man breath out air, we are merely releasing what we had within us all along. So, I believe it is reasonable to conclude that God always had both His Word and His Spirit existing within him all along without having to create them. That's why Jesus who has all of God's Word and all of God's Spirit is the Firstborn son of God, in the sense that God gave birth to him without having to create Him because He always exists and is hidden within God all along. I believe this is also confirmed in John 17:21.
I don't claim to have complete understanding on this issue but at least this way I could make sense of the Trinity in my mind. Hope it helps.
How is this different from Modalism? Please explain. A Sabellian would have no issue with saying the manifestations can be simultaneous.
It's different in that they aren't manifestations at all, but God's very nature. He doesn't *choose* to be Father, Son, and Spirit. He reveals himself that way because it actually is what he is like in his essence.
Similar to how he doesn't *choose* to be loving, he reveals himself as love because his essence *actually* is love.
@@CrossbearerYT So the 'threeness' aspect of God refers to His essence? I thought it refers to His persons? 'Three persons, one essence'?
@@vasymusic2556 Since only God is eternal I interpret 1 Corinthians 13:13 as reffering to God's attributes (his Persons) and first being Love (from the father) and Hope belonging to Christ (without his sacrifice we cannot be saved) and Faith to the Holy Spirit (as we receive the HS at conversion).
Also, the statement with love being the greatest can be understood as in the Nicene creed with God the father preceding ("only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father" and "Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]").
@@vasymusic2556 sort of, he has one essence that is explained in terms of three hypostases.
Three hypostases how we explain the one unified essence.
Just as how we can explain the one essence by terms of "love, justice, etc." without dividing the essence into parts or aspects.
@@CrossbearerYT So are hypostases attributes?
Shoutout to Donnal and connal!!
Also we can analogies since the Fathers use it
It works for explaining concepts, but never the trinity as a whole. So in some sense I agree, but you have to be educated on the Philosophical concepts of the Trinity proper to use them well without leading anyone into error.
Everyone's favorite Irish twins on the thumbnail.
I saw my chance to feature St. Donall and St. Conall, and I took it
@@CrossbearerYT Patron saints of etymologists and youtube trolls.
3:20 not at all..just clever marketing slogans like 'Things go better with coke' and my favorite, 'The nicest people ride a Honda'..disclaimer.I own a Honda Scooter Sh150..amen
The Trinity , split personalities,a well know psychological phenomenon..amen
Well at least they all agree.
This is dumb
Great video brother
Make a video about the hypostatic union
I will, I got a lot of other plans so its a month or two or three in the future though
Saint Peter Canisius, S.J. pray for us!
St. Gustavus Adolphus, ora pro nobis!
@@CrossbearerYT I don't know if he'd have been OK with that! Hahahaha
Great video for those that already believe!
And total nonsense to those who don't
You said that the actions of the three persons are inseparable. One can't do anything without the others doing it too. So when Jesus talks or prays to the Father, you think that the Father is also talking or praying to Jesus because their actions are inseparable? Or when Jesus says to his disciples that he'll send the Holy Spirit later, does he really mean that he'll send himself and the Father as well? For that matter, were the Holy Spirit and the Father actually incarnated on earth since all their actions are inseparable? And in a similar vein, do you believe that the Father begets the Son but, equally, the Son begets the Father-given that their actions are inseparable? Thank you.
I understand the confusion, the video deals with the divine nature of God, not the incarnation, I apologize if I didn't make that clear.
Inseperable operations refers to the actions of the divinity, not of the humanity in which naturally only the son acts through the hypostatic union.
Also it refers to operations *ad extra*, external to God himself. *Ad intra* operations are distinct between the persons, because they are the ways by which the persons are distinct by definition. I.e. the Son praying to the Father.
@@CrossbearerYT Thank you for replying. Definitions can be very helpful things. But when it comes to theological claims, they can also be problematic. Essentially, Christians seem to be saying, "God has distinct parts-necessarily so, since we believe in a trinity-except we don't want to call them "parts," so we'll call them "persons" (or hypostases) and *define* that kind of a part, since it is internal to God's nature, as not a part." But why would internality, if the "persons" are taken literally, make them not separate parts, rationally speaking-other than by fiat of a definition?
@@KingoftheJuice18 you are correct in a sense. We make a *FORMAL* distinction between persons, meaning for the sake of explaining the divine nature we "divide it up" into adjectives, aspects, and yes persons, so that we can begin to comprehend who God (who otherwise would be completely incomprehensible) is. There is however no *ESSENTIAL* difference between the persons, meaning if you theoretically *could* have a full understanding of God's nature you wouldn't understand parts or aspects or persons of God, only how he is completely simple (not made up of "stuff") and infinite.
Thank you for the good faith question! I understand it doesn't help having to understand all the philosophy that goes into our explanation of God but I hope it helps haha
@@CrossbearerYT My pleasure...In Jewish theology God has attributes, which you could also call adjectives or aspects, but they are all connected to God's actions and how God chooses to enter into relationship with us. I guess it's not so far (in theological principles) from the former Christian approach ("heresy") you call Modalism. Things like God's mercy or God's justice are not literally reified into divine beings. I believe "angels" are the closest we come to doing this, but I, like some others, see angels in symbolic terms anyway.
To non-trinitarians, it's the Christian insistence that the three persons MUST be (ontologically?) distinct and separate (e.g., Jesus was begotten), but also that they CANNOT be essentially distinct and separate -which sounds like a theological sleight-of-hand, or having your cake and also eating it. But of course the Christian way to describe all this is "mystery." I can respect that, as long as Christians don't claim that (1) this is the teaching of Hebrew Scriptures; or (2) that a proper and full understanding of the nature of the trinity is essential to salvation. A good God, I contend, couldn't make salvation dependent on such philosophical conundrums-in any religion.
How can a pitcher of water be the glasses of water. God is to great to comprehend.
Humans are made in the image of God. Humans are three- soul, body and spirit, and yet are one.
My body is me, my spirit is me, my soul is me.
God is likewise three in this way, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, are all separate, but are the same one God.
Your improper joking matches your pride and boasting, but matches with your false doctrine
I'll take that as a compliment
This right here is a banger and I know bangers
How can 1 pizza have 3 slices? NOOOO THEY'RE 3 SEPARATE PIZZAS!! -_-
Body, soul, spirit.
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The Gospel of Lord Jesus
John 3:16-18 (Jesus speaking)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.
Thank you
upvoted because of Saint Gustavus
Good video! Based as always
The truth was hidden from them because they don't want to know the truth
Great vid bro
thanks bro
There is no trinity in the bible nor does God reveal himself as three nowhere to be found. The Israelites and Jews believed in a strictly monotheistic religion of which Jesus and the disciples were born into. Therefore, they would have believed as all those before them did that Jehovah God is *One God and one Person, the Father*
Run from the watchtower my friend
@@CrossbearerYT Even if I did I certainly wouldn’t run to your beliefs of the Trinity which is futile belief
Keep studying. You can find it in the old testament. God the Father, God the spirit, God the word made flesh. The Branch between heaven and Earth. The fire in the bush.
Who is the Holy Spirit?
@@jameskerrigan2997 The Trinity doctrine is nowhere to be found in the Greek much less the Hebrew and Aramaic text
when do you have split personality disorder, or just dont know, let God know for you. so why would you carry your cross every day. let God give your free gift back to you. do you remember your every day sacrifice, against the cross. what every day gathering of sticks during sabbath. be free. God gave you a free gift, dont waste it by working.
Let’s goooo
The Trinity is basically a concept that interprets in reverse (eisegesis), defined by 2nd century church father named Tertulian, from the book of Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His OWN IMAGE
So, what's reversed? man like God, so, God like man.
Man has 3 basic components: body, soul, and spirit.
If you die, your body is buried, your soul goes to heaven (assumed), so which one are you,
the body or the soul? Are you one or are you two? or 2 in 1?
All those who believe in spiritual matters, like religion, usually immediately believe that
humans have a body and a soul (usually depicted as a transparent body).
In Christianity (and Judaism), they believe in another component called the spirit, which is the life energy sourced from God, and when a person dies, the body is buried, the soul goes to heaven (paradise) or hell (hades), and the spirit or life energy will return to its source which is God.
Now, the concept of the Trinity, by interpreting Genesis 1:27 in reverse, where man is in the image of God, means that God also has 3 components like body, soul, and spirit.
Body: Jesus Christ
Soul: Holy Spirit
Spirit: God the Father
Just like the body, soul, and spirit of man:
Body = Man
Soul = Man
Spirit = Man
But
Body is not the soul,
Soul is not the spirit,
Spirit is not the body.
In conclusion, the reverse interpretation for classic trinity is:
Jesus = God
Father = God
Holy Spirit = God
But
Jesus is not the Father,
Father is not the Holy Spirit,
Holy Spirit is not Jesus.
W
I heard a great video that uses an analogy to explain the trinity. God isn't a person, God is persons. God is the Holy Spirity, the Father, and the Son. And for the analogy, let me use the bible as an example. Genesis is one part of the bible. You wouldn't say genesis only is the bible, no because tehre are other parts. It still is the bible, but there are other parts too. Genesis is the bible, just the same as Matthew is the bible. But Matthew isn't Genesis and Genesis isn't Matthew.
Unfortunately, that’s a bad analogy. That describes Partialism, which is considered a heresy.
In Trinitarian theology, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not “parts” of God. Rather, each hypostasis (or “person”) is fully God.
In order for the Genesis-Bible analogy to apply, you would have to say that Genesis is the totality of the Bible. But of course, that’s doesn’t add up.
Moreover, you actually can say “only God”; it’s biblical language.
See John 17:3 where Jesus says that the Father is “the only true God”.
There is only one God. And as trinitarians argue, the Son and Holy Spirit are one in the everlasting essence with God the Father.
One God, three hypostases (or three “persons”).
The Trinity is not easy to understand. Not one analogy is going to settle your curiosity.
If you’re that interested in the topic, take my advice: study as much as you can from respected sources for two years - praying for guidance from the Holy Spirit who’s sent by the Almighty - then take a seat back and ponder what the Trinity doctrine entails.
Really take time to reflect on what you believe and why.
@@zekdom I have come to Christ recently, starting at the middle of the fall semester last year, 2023. Ever since, I have been growing and Christ, studying the word, and noticing him transforming me. I'm definitely grateful for such.
Your statement leads me to the qustion though, where does partialism as a heresy come from? That they are not "parts" because in the bible it distinctly refers to them as being seperate, but of one? The father, Son, and Holy Spirits from what it sounds like are 3 different roles that God fulfills, which I know y'all say is modalism. I'm just trying to see where it comes from that those are heresies, and can't be correct.
Partialism is heresy because God is a single unified being, and partialism makes him essentially divisible, which would mean there is something more foundational to existence than God. On prooftext it would deny "I am in the Father and the Father is in me". Partialism also as the video states results in tritheism.
Modalism is heresy because it posits that God only *chooses* to appear as 3 persons. Trinitarianism posits that he is revealed as 3 persons because it truly is who God is in his essence-We see God relating to himself in the Bible (Father to Son and vice versa). If modalism was true this would essentially be theatre play by God, and not a true representation of who he is, which would mean God misrepresents himself in his word.
That's long, but I hope it helps :D
@@CrossbearerYT The modalism one makes sense.
Partialism on the other hand I still don't quite see, in fact it seems like quite the opposite from the bible. If it is truly heresy, hopefully God will reveal it to me in time.
If the Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, then that means they are separate, even though all fo them are fully God. They even play different "parts" in the bible as we know the Father and Son communicate to each other and the Holy Spirit even comes down to Jesus (if I remember correctly). They each perform differently, such as Jesus having to pray to the Father.
How can 8 billion persons be just ONE human nature?
”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.“
1 John 5:7
I'm like 80% sure this is a video on God not humans
@@CrossbearerYTit was an example
@giuseppevittoriovitali Isaiah 43:10
Am I hearing thumping in the audio?
yes people walking as I recorded that, realized it too late, very annoying
The fact u need a video to explain it shows how it makes no sense cos trinitys wereccalwayscworshiped by pagan nations
Nimrod was part of a trinity with his mother
When you install the divine name Jehovah back in the bible 7000 times it ocurs then it becomes clear
Jesus said i am going back to my father because he is greater than i
Peter was asked by jesus who am i he said you are the christ the SON of the living god
When was a son ever equal or same as his father
No where in scripture is a trinity statement orvthe word trinity or the idea
Constantine incorperated it into the apostate chuch in nicea 300 yrs after christs death
The nation of israel had no understanding of such Our god jehovah is one jehovah
King james bible ps 83v18 Jehovah alone is the most high
Everyone believed in the trinity (as in the deity of Christ and the Spirit), even before it was carefully defined in the 4th century. The ones who didn't were never part of the church catholic.
By the "You need a video to explain it means its false" logic, gravity doesn't exist.
I'll make a video on the Council of Nicaea and St. Constantine the Great someday, hope you'll watch that! God bless you!
@@CrossbearerYTNone of the true believers believed in any sort of trinity, because none of them believed that the Spirit of God was a distinct person and none of them believed that Jesus was God.
They all knew that there was only one true God, the God and Father of Jesus Christ, and that the Father made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
The House Always Wins
:D
Idk what's the beef with Denmark but it's hilarious and I love it 😂.
Great video as always, thanks for helping new believers!
they invaded us first
@@CrossbearerYT How can you hate them if its impossible to know what their saying? You can never know their true intentions
awesome video
"why do christians biliv in it"
I can't tell if this is mockery or a compliment, either way thanks for watching lol
@@CrossbearerYT just being sarcastic comming from another guy who speaks svengelska haha. Sorry if you misunderstood didn’t mean anything bad:)
very cool 👍
offending a god by sins is nonsense..it is like an ant or lady beetle offending us ..too insignificant to press out buttons..amen
Why? What's your evidence for this?
I think this guy is a bit all over the place, let's just pray for him
The Holy Trinity is a man made concept that does not exist in the natural world we call reality.
Here's the concept:
Father - The Hebrew god Yahweh who always existed and created all things.
Son - The end times preacher called Yeshua/Jesus who was Yeshua in the Human form.
Holy Spirit - A feeling of confidence that your belief in Yahweh is correct.
Water, steam and ice! All are H2O
That's modalism patrick!
the trinity was made up by a small group of bishops in 330 ad under the direct orders of the governor , Constantine,
Is it true.?.no more than your take or mine...we cannot know about humans on other planets little less other invisible creatures in outer space..amen
Brother, literally only 18 of the 300+ bishops there voted against the Nicene Creed, and no, the word was first coined by Tertullian in the 2nd century.
@@CrossbearerYT Not to mention the fact that Athanasius, Basil, and Gregory all defended the Trinity and the tenants that would become the Athanasian creed not by appealing to living magisterial authority or tradition, but in every letter and argument invoked scripture alone to prove their position. They let the scripture be their “umpire,” so if it were not the express teaching of scripture, surely it would have been an easy dispute to clear up.
Side note, could you please provide me with the Tertullian citation? I just had this same conversation irl and would love to have that reference on hand.
Tack för denna video min unga kristna broder, vilken kyrka går du till? Btw let’s kick the politicians out of the Church of Sweden! Edit:Gustavus Adolphus in the background goes hard🇸🇪
Ska försöka doxa mig själv så lite som möjligt på youtube, gå mä vår discord i beskrivningen om du vill! Vi är ett gäng svenskar där
Denmark in the mud
thanks, i think I finally understand the trinity now. its revealed something striking - the orthodox view litterally doesn't make sense.
draw a circle within a circle within a circle. thats the catholic view of God.
draw a circle, and draw two separate circles within it, that's the orthodox view of God.
now God is God because he sees and controls the world, so lets represent the world as another circle shaded dark, and try to fit it inside all the circles. it fits in the Catholic circles, but you will always miss one of the circles in the orthodox view, requiring a strange (and false) duplication of the world to get it to fit both, which you cannot do. if the God circles are not above containing the world, that circle is not really a God circle, because it would not know nor have control over the world. by not having the holy spirit proceed from the father and the son, you force either the Jesus or the holy spirit to stop being God.
it was right and fitting that the catholic church changed the creed to reflect this fact.
Save God our saviour isnt triune, then the Glorious Gospel DOES NOT work. eph 1:3-14 romans 1 and every page of the scriptures. :)
The trinity is only half true
Nope
tf... icon of Mr. House
Stop cursing its a sin............
When are people gonna grow up and realize that it's all just a lie. 4000+ religions and everyone thinks theirs is right lol
2 religions, and yours is wrong 😎
That’s a very lazy argument, as I could just as easily state the same thing back to you
Very lazy argument
Horrible argument.
@@BelovedDisciple07 I have a lot of arguments lol
In summary, Trinity = multiple personality disorder 😅😅😅
that's modalism patrick!