Technical explanation on why such a hard landing ?…microburst ?..miscalculation of the speeds registered?…wind shifting at the last moment ?…flaring too late ?…unstable approach can include a lot of variables… I would not want to be in the shoes of the …copilot!…🙄😉 Little pilot grounded too early in his lifetime 😢
@@gillesbueno1153 surely it was not a microburst or a windshear because the weather was good, the aircraft comes smoothly and there are alerts about it. Probably the flare was too late
I am admiring how the pilot keeps calm during an emergency situation such as this one . He turns around and successfully lands safely. Amazing ! Bravo !
Emergency or not, the corrective action was so quick. It goes to show why airline pilots are deserving of their prestige right up there with doctors, lawyers, scientists and engineers. Absolute consummate professionals.
@@alexanderpatrick4866 I hate to rain on it, but they could've (should've) reacted even sooner... they really risked wheelbarrowing. I doubt there's a write-up from the cockpit, but it's entirely possible the captain took over in the middle of that.
I kind of disagree... the PF tried to fix this by derotating further and almost nailed the nose-wheel. "Just fine" would've been skipping that part and going around right away. You can see the insane amount of extra energy by the fact that started to climb away with the spoilers deployed.
People should never be afraid of turbulence again after seeing this….how these machines are made to super flex and bend and still fly just fine. I’m sure pilot feels stupid and will be obsessed with never letting this happen again
It was windy yesterday. I live under the flight path. The white rectangle he went over is the Santa Monica Airport. The flight path on the go around has two levels so that the traffic does not encounter wake turbulence. My impression - he was going to fast even though ATC told him to slow down.
As a pilot that flys for a US carrier, if he was flying a fast approach speed, would actually help him arresting the descent (sink) rate and he would’ve floated for a long landing. Unstable approaches do cause landing mishaps, however, if he was unstable, he would’ve gone around at 1000’ above touchdown zone. The fact that the plane landed hard was, in my opinion, he did not carry enough power into the flare or the approach speed was a bit slow so the plane sank down. It does not look that windy and believe me I’ve done landings in winds that makes this looks like a calm day.
My impression is the radio altimeter countdown startled him in which he pulled the yoke back further causing the mains to pound into the ground compressing the struts to their limits. I am “Monday morning footballing” ⚽️ for full disclosure
nah, ATC told them wind was "13" on their second approach ... that's not windy. also, look at the surrounding vegetation...not a blade of grass or flower petal is moving around. They screwed the pooch. Simple.
@@loveguitar2x I'm voting in the other direction... new guy not used to large eye-wheel height, flares late, too much energy (which I think you can see from how easily it climbs away with spoilers deployed, certainly out of ground effect).
If he was fast it would actually help his sink and descent rate. But it would cause a long landing. Usually 1000’ above touchdown zone if where pilots decide to continue or go around if the plane is in unstable criteria, meaning faster than 20kts than target speed, not configured or high on glide path.
@@lbowsk Me neither, but the ATC call to slow to approach speed, combined with how much energy they had (as you can see from climbing away after the bounce, with spoilers still deployed), shows they were at least a little hot.
People who don’t fly the 747 have no idea how difficult it is to judge altitude and speed. The altitude of the cockpit when the mains touch is higher than the 50 ft call on most airliners. Transitioning to this plane of other aircraft can be extremely challenging. It’s not unusual for this to happen during this time.
No.. ..pilots do a lot of training and had to do these type- ratings..and : yes, they have the skill to land a 747 in the right way ( unbumpy and smooth). The " high- above- cockpit- position " is not an excuse. With the first 747 ( 747-100) the untrained (!) test- pilots made an excellent job: they had to " come - in - hot " too, because of a retracted- flaps-landing...and they did it perfekt and smooth in front of a big crowd of the visitors, customers, engineers, press and so on.. May be wind shear was a factor. But the pilot did not mention something like that.
Never flew the -800. I have flown all the others. The B74 is the best landing airplane I've ever flown. The B73 the worst. I can attest that the landing gear is bullet proof. Hope no one bite their tongues on that landing.
@@BadToelz23 I'm sorry, but you are orating from the inner spaces of your colon through your sphincter. Here's some trivia to micturate all over your assumption. When the 747 was developed it did not have an automated Radio Altimeter count down. "50-40-30-20...." and guess what. The Boeing test pilots were smacking the hell out of the planes and beating the hell out of them. EYE-HEIGHT is a very real phenomenon in large transports. So, the count down RA was born to give pilots an extra tool to determine their flight path during the last 100 feet. Most any narrow body pilot who transitioned to a WB will tell you that difference in EYE-HEIGHT is an important criteria when transitioning to a WB aircraft. And yes, I am a pilot who "did a lot of training" and beat the hell out of a very nice 767-300 on 4R in BOS on IOE during my first WB landing. Thankfully I never did it a second time.
There was a definate porpoise on the second landing also. Some reason for a noise forward dip which you would not often seen on a big heavy, especially a B747. Did they push the yoke forward a bit much? Would have expected better from the Germans. Poor airframe and poor passengers.
At time-index 1:43 or so... Think this is what I'm hearing: SoCal Approach: "What was the reason for the go-around?" Lufthansa 456: "Ah, it was just a wild landing so we have a--do another try.'' (comment edited after a re-listen on headphones)
The captain saved it by doing the right thing with the go around. The developing gallop that was starting could have transitioned into a loss of ground control with devastating consequences.
This was a simple fuck up by the flight crew that could have been deadly. That said, they were calm and made the right call to go around. This is now a required maneuver after a serious bounce. The captain will take shit for this since he point blank lied. “Go for another try?” 747’s with passengers don’t make touch and go’s. This mistake was serious and must be addressed.
My guess would be an inexperienced FO did the landing and the captain then asked to go around when it bounced, I think if the captain did this bouncy landing he would have probably continued it even though a go around was the safest option.
Tell you what……..job well done !!! A pilot in training …..can’t imagine how surprised and finally stressed he was and still…….got the bird back in the air. That’s what balked landing is all about, a lot more difficult than a missed approach. So……spare us the Schadenfreude. Scrolling down the comments is just pathetic……just a bunch of armchair romons. As to the approach speed, LH acknowledged WILCO……meaning understood, complying. It had nothing to do with the event. The pilot didn’t flare enough and when he finally did, it was too close to the ground. He just added vertical speed to the gear on top of the aircraft’s. Well known on the 727. Best would have been to do nothing or just go around. Thank God there weren’t any clowns like you watching when I did the same on a A380
@@jh6273 I did mean the 727 ……any long fuselage aircraft carries the same risk of a tardy flare ……better off doing nothing or go around . Had he done nothing it would have a hard landing but certainly not what happened. However I think they came out brilliantly given the rather stressful situation.
Agreed, but with a hard enough smack, there's an argument to be had for not going around in case there's serious damage. Just have a look at the AC621 crash.
It doesn’t look that bad. He blew the flare and touched down a little hard. It doesn’t look like he did any damage. Thankfully no tail or wing strikes. He just bounced on the main gear and went around. Granted if he did this on any more modern aircraft the wheels would have been flying off in every direction. But a 747 can take a good hit and shrug it off.
It's better to do a circuit because of a hard or unsuccessful landing, which a pilot in training had apparently botched, than to directly lose the main landing gear of a Boeing, or how do we see that?
The southern airport is long beach, there’s also a navy base with landing strips and even more airfields than you can see here in this area. There’s also Torrance airport a bit more south closer to the coast. Burbank just to the east as well.
my mom took flying lessons at Hawthorne. The IFR lane everyone uses to go up the coast crosses the center of LAX, perpendicular to the runways! Your tootling along in a 170 and A380s are landing on one side of you and taking off on the other...
This can happen,the pilots handled it just fine.It looked worse than it really was. The 747 is a very,very strongly build aircraft with a very forgiving landing gear snd a strong construction.Joe Sutter developed a flying tank. This Queen had no issues and flies her regular service.
I would trust a LH crew just as I do a BA crew. They are excellent in terms of safety and although they don’t need to explain, usually they do, which just helps us know how good they are at the job. A go-around is a sign of a flight crew that’s willing to put your safety ahead of everything else.
Strange to hear that ATC has to ask question while the pilot is in the middle of trying to land that big 747 on second attempt. ATC could have waited until the plane landed.
I missed her asking the pilot for an immediate written report sent via email while the 400 ton plane was still on the down leg as if he was driving a delivery van and missed a left turn into the ghetto.
True, but the pilot monitoring (and dealing with radio work) should not be the pilot flying, otherwise Lufthansa has even bigger problems than this. Besides, ATC wasn't going to get another chance to ask (and it was asked before by the other controller and the pilot was evasive)... after touchdown, he was going to be sent over to ground quickly, missing the window.
@@BruceWatson-dw3ro For some reason the pilot flying was also the pilot communicating ( stress very evident in his voice!) which I agree is somewhat odd (what was the other pilot doing?), but an experienced controller would have noticed this special situation and would have acted accordingly.
Not sure why this is even News! Bottom line is, they made the right decision to go-around. If you have flown long enough and different types of aircraft you will have one of those landings!
US pilots often let the copilot do a landing and the approaches are sometimes wobbly with short late power adjustments and rough. Maybe the Lufthansa copilot did the first attempt and the pilot quickly took over to make the go around and landing.
As a non flier my assessment is that pilot flared his plane and generated the landing descent in single instant instead of smooth sequential progression. In the final landing too the plane flares and simultaneously tries to touchdown, before the final butter butter .
Is anyone else surprised that ATC cleared another aircraft for take off from this same runway within a minute or two with no thought of doing a runway check?
Because of its size it's actually easier to land than many other aircraft. Drop a small airplane in from 2 ft above the ground and kablamo. The same 2 ft would be nothing for this and it would be a smooth landing. This was a horrible landing, but was handled correctly. German pilots do not get much landing practice in training because of the high cost per landing over there. And with long haul flying you're lucky to get a few landings per month. Less if you're flying was a relief pilot.
So does something like this have to be reported to the airline? Are there consequences to the pilots? Does the aircraft have to undergo a more thorough pre-flight inspection after a hard landing like this?
Yess in this case like in every other company an internal event will be set up as this will have to be reported to authorities because it is a flight incident. Hard landings are defined in different phases to determine if it can continue or not. Anyway it is likely that it undergoes for a deeper specific inspection. In case of findings it can take months before being back in the air.
Looks planned to me. That's landing and missed approach currency requirements done and dusted! ("I need 2 more landings, so I'll get them done at the same time!")
PILOTING HEAVY PASSENGER PLANE is HARD TO LAND. I TRY LANDING IT IN VIRTUAL SIMULATION BUT I FAILED ALWAYS. HEAVY PASSENGER AIRLINES LIKE THIS is VERY DELICATE PLANE TO HANDLE.
I am quite surprised to see the landing fumble by 747-8 experienced crew. It could have gone south with serious damage to nose gear however go around was timely. Second approach was good.
I feel so sorry for these guys. Hard landings happen every day, they took the correct and safe way out of the balked landing but it now gets viral because there happened to be a camera and some IA algo decide to make it viral. Check & reset.
They're telling the pilot to reduce speed more than once. Looks like everyone was aware that he was too fast and flared too late. :) The second time around, he almost over flared. Must be nice flying a long trip three times a month, but also a bitch as you get a little rusty. Compare that to a commuter pilot, making two to five landings a day, five or sometimes six days a week.
That is nonesense. Per ICAO standard regulation, speed control shall not be given beyond 4 nm final. Furthermore, speed control is for spacing, not for the controller to assess the energy state of the aircraft.
@@lbowsk LOL! Really? Maybe you can explain to me what happened? Tell me about the ATC communications we heard and what happened to the first and the second landing. Please, teach me.
Passengers who were used to fly with Ryanair: "Normal touchdown." 😅
🤣
I can confirm. 😂
This is more than normal for me I'm Ryanair's passenger 😂
Ì love Ryanair 😂❤❤❤
I’m a commercial pilot and it can happen to any pilot. IT HAPPENS and the go around was the best decision. Congratulations to the crew
Technical explanation on why such a hard landing ?…microburst ?..miscalculation of the speeds registered?…wind shifting at the last moment ?…flaring too late ?…unstable approach can include a lot of variables…
I would not want to be in the shoes of the …copilot!…🙄😉
Little pilot grounded too early in his lifetime 😢
@@gillesbueno1153 surely it was not a microburst or a windshear because the weather was good, the aircraft comes smoothly and there are alerts about it. Probably the flare was too late
@@eduardoveiga245 Check.thanks for answering me
Writing from France…
@@gillesbueno1153 you’re welcome. Writing from Brazil
Your thoughts on Boeing planes? Thanks. for your service.
I am admiring how the pilot keeps calm during an emergency situation such as this one . He turns around and successfully lands safely. Amazing ! Bravo !
This is not an emergency situation.
Emergency or not, the corrective action was so quick. It goes to show why airline pilots are deserving of their prestige right up there with doctors, lawyers, scientists and engineers. Absolute consummate professionals.
A very good man❤
@@alexanderpatrick4866 I hate to rain on it, but they could've (should've) reacted even sooner... they really risked wheelbarrowing. I doubt there's a write-up from the cockpit, but it's entirely possible the captain took over in the middle of that.
lol, “emergency situation”, what? This is no Emergency Sit by any means…
It happens. The crew did the right thing choosing to go around.
That’s it
Go around is part of the landing procedure. He handled it just fine.
If you bounce then go around. The other option is a pilot induced oscillation!
@@annyer262 Yep, came very close to starting a real PIO.
I kind of disagree... the PF tried to fix this by derotating further and almost nailed the nose-wheel. "Just fine" would've been skipping that part and going around right away. You can see the insane amount of extra energy by the fact that started to climb away with the spoilers deployed.
@@BruceWatson-dw3ro I remember my instructor yelling at me about this. "Just go around and try again. Otherwise you will damage the plane!"
I love how the Lufthansa pilot didn't want to say that it was a hard landing, just "go for another try" 🤣
Because it wasn’t!
To be honest, he mumbled something like „it was my landing“ as well.
@@HsquaredH2 Of course it was. Are you blind?
He said "[it was] just my landing". Are you deaf?
@@Sp3llw0rk , I can’t help that you are challenged in comprehension. Study it…🤦♀️
People should never be afraid of turbulence again after seeing this….how these machines are made to super flex and bend and still fly just fine. I’m sure pilot feels stupid and will be obsessed with never letting this happen again
It's not fun when one of your landing gears was already missing before the bounce
It was windy yesterday. I live under the flight path. The white rectangle he went over is the Santa Monica Airport. The flight path on the go around has two levels so that the traffic does not encounter wake turbulence. My impression - he was going to fast even though ATC told him to slow down.
As a pilot that flys for a US carrier, if he was flying a fast approach speed, would actually help him arresting the descent (sink) rate and he would’ve floated for a long landing. Unstable approaches do cause landing mishaps, however, if he was unstable, he would’ve gone around at 1000’ above touchdown zone. The fact that the plane landed hard was, in my opinion, he did not carry enough power into the flare or the approach speed was a bit slow so the plane sank down. It does not look that windy and believe me I’ve done landings in winds that makes this looks like a calm day.
My impression is the radio altimeter countdown startled him in which he pulled the yoke back further causing the mains to pound into the ground compressing the struts to their limits. I am “Monday morning footballing” ⚽️ for full disclosure
nah, ATC told them wind was "13" on their second approach ... that's not windy. also, look at the surrounding vegetation...not a blade of grass or flower petal is moving around. They screwed the pooch. Simple.
@@loveguitar2x I'm voting in the other direction... new guy not used to large eye-wheel height, flares late, too much energy (which I think you can see from how easily it climbs away with spoilers deployed, certainly out of ground effect).
Thanks, Kevin, for sharing the video.
Unstable approach? He was coming in hot!
Coming in hot is an unstable approach.
You have zero idea of what his actual speed was.
If he was fast it would actually help his sink and descent rate. But it would cause a long landing. Usually 1000’ above touchdown zone if where pilots decide to continue or go around if the plane is in unstable criteria, meaning faster than 20kts than target speed, not configured or high on glide path.
@@loveguitar2x ....and of course if it becomes unstable below 1000'.
@@lbowsk Me neither, but the ATC call to slow to approach speed, combined with how much energy they had (as you can see from climbing away after the bounce, with spoilers still deployed), shows they were at least a little hot.
Cool to see the correct channels used to obtain the video and the transparency of the communications, well done!
Thank you!
I like the fact that you asked and showed confirmation of permission for use of the video. Class act on both channels!
Thank you! 🙏☺
Wasn’t my fault, wasn’t the first officer’s fault, it was the asphalt!
Viva 747, The Queen of the Skies
1:47 "It was just... uhh... my landing"
yea thats what i heard baha
@@gustafpeyron mostly because he said it :'D
@@boahneelassmal id know! im german
Thought I heard 'bad landing'
@@gustafpeyron schön digga
People who don’t fly the 747 have no idea how difficult it is to judge altitude and speed. The altitude of the cockpit when the mains touch is higher than the 50 ft call on most airliners. Transitioning to this plane of other aircraft can be extremely challenging. It’s not unusual for this to happen during this time.
Thanks, I was wondering if aircraft type was a factor.
No.. ..pilots do a lot of training and had to do these type- ratings..and : yes, they have the skill to land a 747 in the right way ( unbumpy and smooth).
The " high- above- cockpit- position " is not an excuse.
With the first 747 ( 747-100) the untrained (!) test- pilots made an excellent job: they had to " come - in - hot " too, because of a retracted- flaps-landing...and they did it perfekt and smooth in front of a big crowd of the visitors, customers, engineers, press and so on..
May be wind shear was a factor.
But the pilot did not mention something like that.
Never flew the -800. I have flown all the others. The B74 is the best landing airplane I've ever flown. The B73 the worst. I can attest that the landing gear is bullet proof. Hope no one bite their tongues on that landing.
But
@@BadToelz23 I'm sorry, but you are orating from the inner spaces of your colon through your sphincter. Here's some trivia to micturate all over your assumption. When the 747 was developed it did not have an automated Radio Altimeter count down. "50-40-30-20...." and guess what. The Boeing test pilots were smacking the hell out of the planes and beating the hell out of them. EYE-HEIGHT is a very real phenomenon in large transports. So, the count down RA was born to give pilots an extra tool to determine their flight path during the last 100 feet. Most any narrow body pilot who transitioned to a WB will tell you that difference in EYE-HEIGHT is an important criteria when transitioning to a WB aircraft. And yes, I am a pilot who "did a lot of training" and beat the hell out of a very nice 767-300 on 4R in BOS on IOE during my first WB landing. Thankfully I never did it a second time.
the second landing was a masterpiece
Butter!
There was a definate porpoise on the second landing also. Some reason for a noise forward dip which you would not often seen on a big heavy, especially a B747. Did they push the yoke forward a bit much? Would have expected better from the Germans. Poor airframe and poor passengers.
Fue horrible también como el primero, pero con una suerte un poco mejor.
No mate it was not so good ( I’m talking about the 2nd)
So cool to see. What an amazing piece of machinery and human skill at work! Stunning!
At time-index 1:43 or so... Think this is what I'm hearing: SoCal Approach: "What was the reason for the go-around?" Lufthansa 456: "Ah, it was just a wild landing so we have a--do another try.'' (comment edited after a re-listen on headphones)
I've flown on LH456 dozens of times and have never had a landing like this!
Great coverage!!
Amazing guy ... He handled it so superbly.
It's not her fault if she bounced a little. She's a well endowed bird.
true
Wow. No problem for that solid built landing gear from that massive 747-8i.
SAFRAN Landing Systems 👍
The captain saved it by doing the right thing with the go around. The developing gallop that was starting could have transitioned into a loss of ground control with devastating consequences.
I’m not an expert but what you’re saying makes sense. 👍
@@Plutogalaxy
Most probably.It was a trainy pilot who did the landing.
After being a captain for 24 of my 28 years with a major airline I kind of guess I know.
Correct, see crash in Moscow years ago and burned plane at the end.
@@Danielka80 Or the variety of MD-11's that have done that.
This was a simple fuck up by the flight crew that could have been deadly. That said, they were calm and made the right call to go around. This is now a required maneuver after a serious bounce. The captain will take shit for this since he point blank lied. “Go for another try?” 747’s with passengers don’t make touch and go’s. This mistake was serious and must be addressed.
Saw this live on AVL! I reacted just like Kevin! Wasn't expecting to see Lufty do that!
I also saw it live and I said something not as diplomatic as ‘Holy Moly’...
Lol. No doubt.
My guess would be an inexperienced FO did the landing and the captain then asked to go around when it bounced, I think if the captain did this bouncy landing he would have probably continued it even though a go around was the safest option.
Trainy pilot.
No, I think if the captain had done it, they'd be much faster on the go-around, and not starting the PIO, which kind of shows it was the FO.
I don´t if you are aware there a 3 pilots in the cockpit.
As a airline videoslive subscriber You did well crediting him incase not croping it didnt workout good video
Haha what was the reason for the go-around? "mmh eeh joah nix, nur so xD"
Exactly what I heard, too 😂
Or….check the news tonight
I'm sure the ATC at that time knows what happened then now 😂
A rare piece of positive news for Boeing. I have to agree the air plane is well built.
Tell you what……..job well done !!!
A pilot in training …..can’t imagine how surprised and finally stressed he was and still…….got the bird back in the air.
That’s what balked landing is all about, a lot more difficult than a missed approach.
So……spare us the Schadenfreude.
Scrolling down the comments is just pathetic……just a bunch of armchair romons.
As to the approach speed, LH acknowledged WILCO……meaning understood, complying. It had nothing to do with the event. The pilot didn’t flare enough and when he finally did, it was too close to the ground. He just added vertical speed to the gear on top of the aircraft’s. Well known on the 727.
Best would have been to do nothing or just go around.
Thank God there weren’t any clowns like you watching when I did the same on a A380
Bruno didnt you mean 747 above not 727
@@jh6273 I did mean the 727 ……any long fuselage aircraft carries the same risk of a tardy flare ……better off doing nothing or go around .
Had he done nothing it would have a hard landing but certainly not what happened. However I think they came out brilliantly given the rather stressful situation.
@@Bruno-tm3xo noted Bruno thks
Agreed, but with a hard enough smack, there's an argument to be had for not going around in case there's serious damage. Just have a look at the AC621 crash.
it happens, no matter how experienced or how many times you have landed they wont always be greasers...
I have left a little EGO on LAX 24R several times. And always picked up some Humble pie in return. 😏
Airline video live is the best i love watching kevin every days live❤❤❤❤❤
I'm a Ryanair pilot and we land like this all the time. This is the normality in our company.
😂😂😂😂 is easy jet better?
Oh my
You land a B 737. I don`t know if you were able to land a B 747-8. You are confusing apples and pears.
awesome video footage,
Would have been a great time for the ground controller to tell the Lufthansa pilot, "taxi what's left your airplane to the gate".
…….and that would have been both stupid and unprofessional…..a lot like your comment
@@Bruno-tm3xohave you ever watched Kennedy Steve?
@@Bruno-tm3xoChill dude, he’s probably not serious
@@mintmallow4503 well ……when i look at his picture I see something else…….
Well it’s kinda obvious for the reason, so why say
Damn, that was a spine-breaker right there. RIP passengers.
ugh those hard economy class seats ouch
Passengers who were used to fly with Ryanair didn't note any difference... 😅
After 13 hour flight....Fatigue??? Even if they have 2 crews.....youre still stuck in a tube for 13 hours.
Fifty..Forty..Ten
It doesn’t look that bad. He blew the flare and touched down a little hard. It doesn’t look like he did any damage. Thankfully no tail or wing strikes. He just bounced on the main gear and went around. Granted if he did this on any more modern aircraft the wheels would have been flying off in every direction. But a 747 can take a good hit and shrug it off.
It's better to do a circuit because of a hard or unsuccessful landing, which a pilot in training had apparently botched, than to directly lose the main landing gear of a Boeing, or how do we see that?
Interesting: They landed a 747 on one of the shorter RWYs. Wonder if there mhb unreported windshear over the airport as well.
Looks like 2 airports and 3 airstrips all really close to each other. Air traffic must be a nightmare
The southern airport is long beach, there’s also a navy base with landing strips and even more airfields than you can see here in this area. There’s also Torrance airport a bit more south closer to the coast. Burbank just to the east as well.
my mom took flying lessons at Hawthorne. The IFR lane everyone uses to go up the coast crosses the center of LAX, perpendicular to the runways! Your tootling along in a 170 and A380s are landing on one side of you and taking off on the other...
@@confuseatronicaI assume you meant vfr
All traffic in Southern California is a 💩show!
LAX is always a nightmare in every aspect.
This can happen,the pilots handled it just fine.It looked worse than it really was. The 747 is a very,very strongly build aircraft with a very forgiving landing gear snd a strong construction.Joe Sutter developed a flying tank. This Queen had no issues and flies her regular service.
Thank God you lived to tell the story ! Thank You for your service Sir !
Could it be a training landing going a bit wrong.
It was
We all have those landings we would like to have back. Had a Take off where a gust lofted me well below T.O. speed had to land quick and build speed .
I would trust a LH crew just as I do a BA crew. They are excellent in terms of safety and although they don’t need to explain, usually they do, which just helps us know how good they are at the job. A go-around is a sign of a flight crew that’s willing to put your safety ahead of everything else.
I guess I trust them similarly... though keep in mind that LH is one of the few airlines to actually crash a 747.
Windshear?
Out of curiosity is a Go Around a pain for ATC? ATC expects the aircraft to land. When it doesn't isn't that an issue for ATC?
Im not sure that the American version of "Jerry" from BigJet TV has quite the same vibe.
as for today Bigjet-TV has 415k subs and AirlineVideos has 778k subs
BigJet would still be screaming Oooooh Ooooooh
Big jet would scream louder
The fact the spoilers deployed then retracted in time for a safe go around without scrubbing too much speed is amazing
He pressed TOGA on a 747 u will feel the power. Experienced a go around once its pretty strong
did anyone find cabin video of this bounce? It looked kinda screamy...
LH Pilot sounds shook After that fugly landing!!!!! ATC did advice them to reduce speed before landing.
They advice them not to make landing easier, it's for patter work.
I’ve been on that flight inbound to LAX-several times, never had a landing like that. Wow!
This has been happening for the last 70 years...now, there is an audience.
Flared too low low/late and slammed the landing gear into the pavement. Ooops!
Yes...we know. We watched the video too.
You’ve got to get pretty low in order to land-Ted Stryker
Strange to hear that ATC has to ask question while the pilot is in the middle of trying to land that big 747 on second attempt. ATC could have waited until the plane landed.
I think she was frustrated that he didnt give a clear answer first time
They always do this. It’s dumb and annoys the crap out of me.
I missed her asking the pilot for an immediate written report sent via email while the 400 ton plane was still on the down leg as if he was driving a delivery van and missed a left turn into the ghetto.
True, but the pilot monitoring (and dealing with radio work) should not be the pilot flying, otherwise Lufthansa has even bigger problems than this. Besides, ATC wasn't going to get another chance to ask (and it was asked before by the other controller and the pilot was evasive)... after touchdown, he was going to be sent over to ground quickly, missing the window.
@@BruceWatson-dw3ro For some reason the pilot flying was also the pilot communicating ( stress very evident in his voice!) which I agree is somewhat odd (what was the other pilot doing?), but an experienced controller would have noticed this special situation and would have acted accordingly.
Is it mandatory to state the reason for go around? Legal requirement or just for convenience and paperwork?
Not sure why this is even News! Bottom line is, they made the right decision to go-around. If you have flown long enough and different types of aircraft you will have one of those landings!
This is now a required maneuver after bounding on landing. It’s in an abundance of caution.
How's the aircraft? That was harsh.
US pilots often let the copilot do a landing and the approaches are sometimes wobbly with short late power adjustments and rough. Maybe the Lufthansa copilot did the first attempt and the pilot quickly took over to make the go around and landing.
? The "copilot" does the landing every other leg....
B747-8 by far the most beautiful airplane in the world. Come on United, get 20 of these beauties. What say you, yay or nay?
Did they not say ‘On the go’ or did the tower figure it out first?
As a non flier my assessment is that pilot flared his plane and generated the landing descent in single instant instead of smooth sequential progression. In the final landing too the plane flares and simultaneously tries to touchdown, before the final butter butter .
As far as I know Lufthansa confirmed it was a training flight
ya, that’s the message they want out there to the press and social media - - it was released before they arrived at LAX gate 🙄
Pilot error. Great recovery.
Is anyone else surprised that ATC cleared another aircraft for take off from this same runway within a minute or two with no thought of doing a runway check?
Were similar as a lot of hard landing of the Mexicana airlines DC10- 15 of the 80’s everywhere it were flying. “ Ida Al aire” wow!
Because of its size it's actually easier to land than many other aircraft. Drop a small airplane in from 2 ft above the ground and kablamo. The same 2 ft would be nothing for this and it would be a smooth landing. This was a horrible landing, but was handled correctly. German pilots do not get much landing practice in training because of the high cost per landing over there. And with long haul flying you're lucky to get a few landings per month. Less if you're flying was a relief pilot.
Unstable approach, high sink rate, flared too late.
Not sure about the sink rate, but flare was too late.
4:28 Insult to injury. For the second time!🤣
So does something like this have to be reported to the airline? Are there consequences to the pilots? Does the aircraft have to undergo a more thorough pre-flight inspection after a hard landing like this?
Yess in this case like in every other company an internal event will be set up as this will have to be reported to authorities because it is a flight incident. Hard landings are defined in different phases to determine if it can continue or not. Anyway it is likely that it undergoes for a deeper specific inspection. In case of findings it can take months before being back in the air.
Why is this news? A pilot had a bad landing. Big whoop
It’s not news, it’s a UA-cam video on a channel about ATC communications
@@More_Row I've seen this clip on some news station over the past few days
Looks planned to me. That's landing and missed approach currency requirements done and dusted! ("I need 2 more landings, so I'll get them done at the same time!")
Practice (Training)FLIGHT. LUFTHANSA told a german newspaper 😊
I was (I mean it) in that plane. And these turns on the go around terrified me 🥲
As a frequent flyer I have been on a lot of go arounds. I have no problem with a pilot doing a go around for any reason.
The L.A roads and highways are even more bumpy. Just a normal day in SoCal!
PILOTING HEAVY PASSENGER PLANE is HARD TO LAND.
I TRY LANDING IT IN VIRTUAL SIMULATION BUT I FAILED ALWAYS.
HEAVY PASSENGER AIRLINES LIKE THIS is VERY DELICATE PLANE TO HANDLE.
Where are the People with that fine landing expirience of a Lufthansa Jumbo in L.A.??
I am quite surprised to see the landing fumble by 747-8 experienced crew. It could have gone south with serious damage to nose gear however go around was timely. Second approach was good.
This whole thing is overblown. Ridiculous.
Exactly !! This happens hundreds of times a day. It was just a slow day for news. Journalists and streamers blew up out of proportions.
@@wickedpawn5437 But you watched it....commented...and probably watched it again. Nothing to see here....so says the pickedwawn.
ATC Your Chief Pilot wants you to call him. Are you ready to copy a phone number?
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
Did the pilot say 'Pilot training' as the reason for TOGO!
I heard it clearly ATC said >Luftwaffe< -> then the Lufthansa Pilot got confused 🤘🏼
Seems to be like a kiss landing for a Ryanair passenger 😅
Boeing 747: i was just happy and dancing like gle600
Obu gibi gipoooo gipoooo😂😂
I've never seen a 747 do that except in bad weather.
Yes we can still see the smoke from our tires, airport in sight.
5 years from now the plane crashes due to fatigue cracks
Isn't that the definition of a missed approach?
I'm sure that was the first officer.
I feel so sorry for these guys. Hard landings happen every day, they took the correct and safe way out of the balked landing but it now gets viral because there happened to be a camera and some IA algo decide to make it viral. Check & reset.
They're telling the pilot to reduce speed more than once. Looks like everyone was aware that he was too fast and flared too late. :) The second time around, he almost over flared. Must be nice flying a long trip three times a month, but also a bitch as you get a little rusty. Compare that to a commuter pilot, making two to five landings a day, five or sometimes six days a week.
That is nonesense. Per ICAO standard regulation, speed control shall not be given beyond 4 nm final. Furthermore, speed control is for spacing, not for the controller to assess the energy state of the aircraft.
Not even close.
@@lbowsk Not even close what?
@@plsniper Your explanation is not even close to what happened.
@@lbowsk LOL! Really? Maybe you can explain to me what happened? Tell me about the ATC communications we heard and what happened to the first and the second landing. Please, teach me.
Former Eurofighter Typhoon pilot?
a go around is the most professional decision in aviation
it really was a very hard toucher tho :/ what went wrong there ??