SMPTE 2110 gear at this price point is insane. I'm working in theatre/opera/liveAV. We tested Riedel Mediornet IP as we were looking in IP based video and it's great but just too expensive, but this makes SMPTE 2110 a real competitor to SDVoE pricewise for our needs. Great job Blackmagic! (Sfp instead of just RJ45 would have been even better)
The updated scopes / rack monitors mentioned in your wish list video would be great, in addition to being able to more easily match colour between their cameras, especially for live use. The lens options available for their studio cameras are "interesting". I agree that most 4k users would usually need more than 8 inputs, with 2 M/E as a minimum. But it is great to see new 4k switchers and products. No doubt they'll be more new products in time, but they may not be what we're hanging going out for.
Hi Doug, thanks for being such a great source of info on broadcast and broadcast related hardware. I was wondering if you could explain why anyone would choose the ATEM 4 M/E Broadcast Studio 4K over spending a little bit more for the constellation 4K. Are there any advantages to choosing the older 4K model? It seems the constellation is better in every way yet Blackmagic continues to keep the Production/Broadcast line of switchers running along side their constellation line.
There aren't a lot of a reasons these days. The older model does have a few features not present on the Constellation: * Borders around SuperSource windows * Rotatable DVE (you can rotate the video in a window at an arbitrary angle) * Timecode connections The other thing is reliability. The older models are built like tanks and just work for forever. The Constellations... not quite so much. They've been a bit of a problematic product line. I see people posting online all the time that theirs is acting up or has just died. But aside from that, the Constellations are a lot more fully-featured and offer a lot more capabilities... the main one being frame rate converters and scalers on the inputs.
I’m still waiting for a replacement for the micro cinema/broadcast cameras, they’re perfect for my workflow but they’re getting pretty old. I’m intrigued by 2110, I’ve worked a lot with ndi, but it’s mostly useful working with cameras and software that support it so I guess 2110 is a pretty different workflow
The new ENG kit is amazing and it's only $245. It's now listed. I have been always worried about those holes on the top but I don't like to put the camera in a "bag". Last time I just wrapped the whole camera in plastic wrap. Sadly no firmware update but I'm pretty sure they'll add at least that BRAW stills feature to the BG2 too, if not the vertical video feature. Hopefully they'll finally fix some of the bugs too.
Cloud Docks support U.2 (nvme drives in a 2.5" form factor reusing a SAS connector) on top plain sata drives, so they do in fact support something faster than usb drives.
Blackmagic Cloud Dock is interesting but from what I can tell there's no cheap way to use it. It's Hyperdeck extreme or a whole switcher. Would be nice to have an SDI to Clouddock recorder converter that just does SDI to IP. Would get us close to external ISO recording
Ahhh network recording is a feature with the latest software update for these devices HyperDeck Extreme 4K HDR HyperDeck Extreme 8K HDR HyperDeck Shuttle HD For me the big boys are to expensive and the shuttle has just the wrong Formfactor and input
Have to say I have issues with bm product policy … they have some nice toys in the entry sector and on the high end but the middle ground is quite lacking some stuff. Mixer wir approx 20 inputs - dedicated iso recorder - good video playback (playlists etc and alpha) and a real replay system for the lower tier with good interface
Did you say that 8 program outs can now be used as a aux like the constellation can? Looking at the website it says its for connecting to other cameras. I see that there is a aux 1 and aux 2 on the back the of the switcher but for the love of all things holy please blackmagic just give me more aux outs on the TV studios. Its really easy to toss a aja 1 x 6 da anywhere for program out or link multiple TVs or projectors with a couple of decimators, what I need is a couple more aux outs!!!!
The 4K version does not have Isolated recording. And from Grant’s comments in the introduction video, it sounds like they won’t ever produce a product that does that. He indicated that the cost, computation power, and heat prevent it from happening.
@@djp_video yes yes... Seems reasonable understandable. I just wish there was a device that could simply take multiple SDI outputs, leave it in whatever format it is coming out, and simply connected via fiber to my (raid) NAS, which is capable of writing up to five 4k streams simultaneously. Then all the files from a single live show could be in the same file folder on my NAS, and I wouldn't have to deal with a gazillion hyperdecks and FTP-ing them (corralling them all) to my NAS. Ten minutes after my Livestream ends, I just want all 4k files and audio to be in one file folder and ready for a post Livestream high quality edit!!!!!
It's weird Blackmagic is going 2110 route. SMPTE2110 is high, high, high, high-end. To set a 2110 facility be prepared to invest a multimilion dolar budget.
I would hope that they wouldn't call it 2110 if it wasn't compatible with other vendors' equipment. In the case of the Streaming Bridge, they never said it was RTMP.
@@djp_video The copy in the release changed. It initially said the 4K had the features of the HD8 ISO. I've not watched the videos from Grant yet. Apologies for any confusion.
It is a shame how the term ‘cloud’ has been used by vendors in their marketing and naming of products or services. It has no meaning now. Everything is cloud! This is another data point. Blackmagic uses the term to describe storage on a network. The term causes much confusion.
I am waiting for new 2M/E 4k!!
Everyone is. This new 4 M/E model doesn't make any sense.
@@daltonrandall4348 yeah exactly, basically same price as 8K. Better to get the 8K used for cheaper than the 4K
SMPTE 2110 gear at this price point is insane. I'm working in theatre/opera/liveAV. We tested Riedel Mediornet IP as we were looking in IP based video and it's great but just too expensive, but this makes SMPTE 2110 a real competitor to SDVoE pricewise for our needs.
Great job Blackmagic!
(Sfp instead of just RJ45 would have been even better)
The 2110 products are the most exciting of anything they announced this week.
Good to see the new 4M/E 4k! Wasn't expecting the IP base video from BM.
"IP baseband" is an oxymoron. SDI is baseband, but IP video is not. MPEG, H264, HEVC, RF are not baseband either.
The updated scopes / rack monitors mentioned in your wish list video would be great, in addition to being able to more easily match colour between their cameras, especially for live use. The lens options available for their studio cameras are "interesting". I agree that most 4k users would usually need more than 8 inputs, with 2 M/E as a minimum. But it is great to see new 4k switchers and products. No doubt they'll be more new products in time, but they may not be what we're hanging going out for.
Hi Doug, thanks for being such a great source of info on broadcast and broadcast related hardware. I was wondering if you could explain why anyone would choose the ATEM 4 M/E Broadcast Studio 4K over spending a little bit more for the constellation 4K. Are there any advantages to choosing the older 4K model? It seems the constellation is better in every way yet Blackmagic continues to keep the Production/Broadcast line of switchers running along side their constellation line.
There aren't a lot of a reasons these days. The older model does have a few features not present on the Constellation:
* Borders around SuperSource windows
* Rotatable DVE (you can rotate the video in a window at an arbitrary angle)
* Timecode connections
The other thing is reliability. The older models are built like tanks and just work for forever. The Constellations... not quite so much. They've been a bit of a problematic product line. I see people posting online all the time that theirs is acting up or has just died.
But aside from that, the Constellations are a lot more fully-featured and offer a lot more capabilities... the main one being frame rate converters and scalers on the inputs.
I’m still waiting for a replacement for the micro cinema/broadcast cameras, they’re perfect for my workflow but they’re getting pretty old.
I’m intrigued by 2110, I’ve worked a lot with ndi, but it’s mostly useful working with cameras and software that support it so I guess 2110 is a pretty different workflow
Hope to meet at you @ NAB one day when I would get the chance to be @ NAB
Waiting for HDMI 2.1 and 4k in atem mini series, integrate rj45 video and it will be perfect
The new ENG kit is amazing and it's only $245. It's now listed. I have been always worried about those holes on the top but I don't like to put the camera in a "bag". Last time I just wrapped the whole camera in plastic wrap.
Sadly no firmware update but I'm pretty sure they'll add at least that BRAW stills feature to the BG2 too, if not the vertical video feature. Hopefully they'll finally fix some of the bugs too.
So now we need a vertical video switcher, right?
Cloud Docks support U.2 (nvme drives in a 2.5" form factor reusing a SAS connector) on top plain sata drives, so they do in fact support something faster than usb drives.
I missed that. Thanks!
Blackmagic Cloud Dock is interesting but from what I can tell there's no cheap way to use it. It's Hyperdeck extreme or a whole switcher. Would be nice to have an SDI to Clouddock recorder converter that just does SDI to IP. Would get us close to external ISO recording
dont the hyperdeck minis can record to network storage ?! or am im mixing up something -> seams so ... might be only a feature on the higher tiers
Ahhh network recording is a feature with the latest software update for these devices
HyperDeck Extreme 4K HDR
HyperDeck Extreme 8K HDR
HyperDeck Shuttle HD
For me the big boys are to expensive and the shuttle has just the wrong Formfactor and input
Have to say I have issues with bm product policy … they have some nice toys in the entry sector and on the high end but the middle ground is quite lacking some stuff.
Mixer wir approx 20 inputs - dedicated iso recorder - good video playback (playlists etc and alpha) and a real replay system for the lower tier with good interface
So the Vertical Camera is there, I think the Vertical Atem is not so far.
Did you say that 8 program outs can now be used as a aux like the constellation can? Looking at the website it says its for connecting to other cameras. I see that there is a aux 1 and aux 2 on the back the of the switcher but for the love of all things holy please blackmagic just give me more aux outs on the TV studios. Its really easy to toss a aja 1 x 6 da anywhere for program out or link multiple TVs or projectors with a couple of decimators, what I need is a couple more aux outs!!!!
At least for now, the routable aux outputs are specific to the 4K model. Who knows if they can/will change that on the HD model.
Would the new switcher allow me to connect four 4k streams (cameras sdi) and write / store them to a network store, like a NAS, seperatly?
The 4K version does not have Isolated recording. And from Grant’s comments in the introduction video, it sounds like they won’t ever produce a product that does that. He indicated that the cost, computation power, and heat prevent it from happening.
@@djp_video yes yes... Seems reasonable understandable. I just wish there was a device that could simply take multiple SDI outputs, leave it in whatever format it is coming out, and simply connected via fiber to my (raid) NAS, which is capable of writing up to five 4k streams simultaneously. Then all the files from a single live show could be in the same file folder on my NAS, and I wouldn't have to deal with a gazillion hyperdecks and FTP-ing them (corralling them all) to my NAS. Ten minutes after my Livestream ends, I just want all 4k files and audio to be in one file folder and ready for a post Livestream high quality edit!!!!!
It's something similar to your prediction.... Doug 🤜🤜🤜
I knew they can't create an iso version, due to the massive data file
NVMe drives have enough bandwidth to handle it easily. It's more of an encoder problem.
@@djp_video OK.
I'd actually personally say an iso version isn't possible because heat those chips 8 of those chips in that package is difficult
It's weird Blackmagic is going 2110 route. SMPTE2110 is high, high, high, high-end. To set a 2110 facility be prepared to invest a multimilion dolar budget.
It's high end bc vendors are pricing it high end. Also ppl don't know networking...
@@ians.4284 The bandwith with SMPTE2110 can go up to crazy numbers. Expect 100GbE and up. The infrastructure to support that is easily 5 to 6 figures.
I hope they support the real 2110 and not their own version of 2110 (ie. their streaming bridge only works with their encoders).
I would hope that they wouldn't call it 2110 if it wasn't compatible with other vendors' equipment. In the case of the Streaming Bridge, they never said it was RTMP.
It's a good question, decklinks tend to be more compatible but ya great question for the show floor
It says the 4K8 does have the ISO features.
Where? Grant specifically said in the video that it doesn't have the ISO features, and the website says it is a 4K version of the non-ISO HD8.
@@djp_video The copy in the release changed. It initially said the 4K had the features of the HD8 ISO.
I've not watched the videos from Grant yet.
Apologies for any confusion.
It is a shame how the term ‘cloud’ has been used by vendors in their marketing and naming of products or services. It has no meaning now. Everything is cloud!
This is another data point. Blackmagic uses the term to describe storage on a network. The term causes much confusion.