"Vietnam: The Soldier's Story" Doc. Vol. 4 - "War in the Skies"

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  • @jimcaufman2328
    @jimcaufman2328 11 місяців тому +23

    Vietnam Army Huey pilot 11-67 to 1-70. Never had a Huey let me down and was fortunate to pick up 54 people who had been shot down. Most dangerous missions were over North Vietnam and Laos with MACV-SOG. Most rewarding was flying troops in from the field who were going home at the end of their tour. 19 when I got there and just turned 22 when I came home and got out. Most rewarding flight as a civilian was my first flight in the B-777. Flew to Frankfurt, Germany and the Check Airman was also an Army Warrant Officer helicopter pilot in Vietnam. We did have a Cold Beer.

  • @pablopeter4821
    @pablopeter4821 4 роки тому +15

    Thank your for your service Vietnam Veterans. Greetings from Mexico City

  • @jasoncarskadon6809
    @jasoncarskadon6809 4 роки тому +34

    These men were some of the best fighting men since world war 2. These men fought just as hard and well as there fathers did. It's absolutely a shame that they were treated so poorly when they came home from fighting a war their country called upon them to do. God bless these men, and welcome home. Thank you for your service.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      Why were they invading a country that had done NOTHING to the U.S.????

    • @flyinryan1986
      @flyinryan1986 2 роки тому +2

      @@robertroselle3341 the government sent them. That is not the veterans fault!! If anyone should have been disrespected would have been the government leaders not the soldiers!! And were there to help. Why does the us have to get into most war/ conflicts they do

    • @jean-paulmorin913
      @jean-paulmorin913 2 роки тому

      Big difference! Us A was attacked in ww2, but chose Vietnam nam, making the war machine industry big profits, using the boys for canon fodder

    • @jamiejones6994
      @jamiejones6994 4 місяці тому

      ​@flyinryan1986 I've heard alot of people say they could've ran to Canada & hid out..... I think maybe they didn't think that through thoroughly before they spoke 🤔 now I know a few people did just that but I can't imagine.....& ALOT COULDNT do that they were KIDS & POOR NO$!!!!!!

  • @ccaring1
    @ccaring1 2 роки тому +18

    Jack Smith, born in Paris, was a highly decorated U.S. combat veteran of the Vietnam War. As a private in an Army rifle company, he was wounded in the battle of the Ia Drang Valley, one of the key American engagements with North Vietnamese regular forces. Smith was awarded a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart.
    Years later, he returned to the Vietnam battlefield for special reports for ABC’s “Nightline” and “DAY ONE.” A number of years later now, I remember that story (DAY ONE) on TV. A friend of mine who was in the Army and dealt with combat in Vietnam, was interested to watch "DAY ONE" as he didn't see it. I recorded it, so he did get to see it later. He liked the program, but the sad thing is, later he died from a motorcycle accident in Minnesota. I was lucky enough to be on 2 aircraft carriers during Vietnam, the USS Hancock CVA-19 and the USS Bon Homme Richard CVA-31, 1965-1967 on Yankee/Dixie station during that time. I worked in the ready room where the pilots gathered before their flight. The sad thing is some pilots never returned to the ship! Lost 8 pilots on the Hancock and 16 pilots on the Bon Homme Richard. What did Vietnam get anything positive for the United States...ZERO! Now Vietnam makes junk for the U.S., just like China does! JFK planned on ending the Vietnam war when the Special Forces were only in Vietnam. He knew Vietnam wasn't worth killing 1 American for no reason, and that's what it turned out to be! A few people I know from my home town have died from Agent Orange! After JFK was assassinated, LBJ escalated the Vietnam war and that's when I was transferred from NAS Oceana, Va. to the USS Hancock in Alameda, California. Every American should be allowed to watch President Eisenhower as he warned us about the MIC, the Military Industrial Complex. On January 17, 1961, Dwight D. Eisenhower ends his presidential term by warning the nation about the increasing power of the military-industrial complex.
    His remarks, issued during a televised farewell address to the American people, were particularly significant since Ike had famously served the nation as military commander of the Allied forces during WWII. Eisenhower urged his successors to strike a balance between a strong national defense and diplomacy in dealing with the Soviet Union. He did not suggest arms reduction and in fact acknowledged that the bomb was an effective deterrent to nuclear war. However, cognizant that America’s peacetime defense policy had changed drastically since his military career, Eisenhower expressed concerns about the growing influence of what he termed the military-industrial complex.

  • @ron311
    @ron311 4 роки тому +33

    Thank you for sharing. A welcomed surprise to see my uncle Col. F. Cherry, F105 POW.

    • @pauls.3400
      @pauls.3400 4 роки тому +8

      Hey Ron, God bless your brave Uncle🇺🇸

    • @andymaciver1760
      @andymaciver1760 3 роки тому +2

      Imagine how scary that would be. You're screaming through the air in a multimillion dollar plane and all of a sudden you are getting beaten by peasants.

  • @mikethemechanic7395
    @mikethemechanic7395 4 роки тому +21

    I respect the Vietnam veterans more then any other conflict. My first year in the Army was in 1993. I served under the last of the 20-25 year men and women Vietnam vets. I got to hear some really good stories that never made it to any book or videos. The Vietnam war was the reason why I joined the Army. I used to idolize it as a child. All of the Rambo movies I watched. It was not till years later did I realized what a waste the war was on both sides. I hate the climate of the later 60s and the protestors. The Vietnam veterans for the most part joined to serve their country. The WW2 and Vietnam vets were the last to join for these reasons till 9/11.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      You need help!

    • @hydrotech1460
      @hydrotech1460 2 роки тому +1

      US never won that war... They pulled out... They tested whether they were going to test and.. by!!!... I was never up to the ground forces 😂.. It was to get USAF better!!!

    • @357-swagnumultramagax9
      @357-swagnumultramagax9 2 роки тому

      The 60s is the begging of the downfall of USA

    • @badguy5554
      @badguy5554 Рік тому

      @@hydrotech1460 The military WON the War in 1973. The Communists in the US Congress LOST the War in 1975

    • @PanSearedRibeye68
      @PanSearedRibeye68 Рік тому

      We were the opposite. Every neighborhood had some Vietnam veteran messed up, Unshaven, Disheveled and living in their parents basement. The parents saw this and pushed us all to attend college rather than the military. I wish I would have now, but back then it was too soon after Vietnam to be gung ho about the military.

  • @tommyawton8931
    @tommyawton8931 3 роки тому +17

    I respect a soldier who has came to respect their enemy

  • @robertnocerajr3985
    @robertnocerajr3985 4 роки тому +21

    Yeah great message here and recounts are tremendous and support from the people who have rescued soldiers from captivity and assault... my father is a Vietnam War veteran but I’m sorry for the truth about the people who have lost their lives for nothing

    • @michaelmoon6675
      @michaelmoon6675 2 роки тому

      Some give some and some give All.💪☝️☝️💪🐕‍🦺🐕‍🦺💯🎸🦵👍👍

    • @BBsr007
      @BBsr007 Рік тому +2

      As a father that served in Vietnam I would not wish the same on any son of mine; I have three. However I don't regret 1 minute of my time served . I volunteered when you did not have to. I had wanted to be a soldier since I could remember. My friends wanted to be Firemen or Law Enforcement, I wanted to be a soldier.
      In 1967 at 17 yr. after talking my mom into signing permission ; I ENLISTED.
      At 17 yrs old I was too young to go to Vietnam but after 4 yrs in Europe MY MOS became a shortage in Vietnam.
      I volunteered again and after 30 days at home I
      Finally got to Vietnam 1971 Army Engineers. Hwy 1
      building Bridges and Roads. Loved my service there.

    • @williammcmahan9477
      @williammcmahan9477 Рік тому

      @@BBsr007 2:19

    • @hml3672
      @hml3672 Рік тому

      I was in Vietnam as a USMC door gunner. We were there to assure democracy for the South Vietnamese. We weren't playing games for no reason. It was more than two years after we left that the South Vietnamese Army was defeated.

  • @kathyvorasane7469
    @kathyvorasane7469 4 роки тому +8

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE,,,,,GOD BLESS YOU ALL ,,

  • @thefullmoongamer
    @thefullmoongamer 4 роки тому +19

    Men with pride, making the ultimate sacrifice...i have so much respect for the Veterans🙏🏻

    • @ninaappelt9001
      @ninaappelt9001 3 роки тому

      Patriotism at it's finest when they don't agree with the war.

    • @quya990
      @quya990 3 роки тому

      @@ninaappelt9001 aaaaat

    • @clemclemson9259
      @clemclemson9259 2 роки тому

      you must respect politicians then too- they are responsible for sending them over to die

    • @kentarostones4724
      @kentarostones4724 2 роки тому

      Wow

    • @jean-paulmorin913
      @jean-paulmorin913 2 роки тому

      I feel bad for the troops and disgust for lbj and rbrt mc Namara

  • @fuyu5979
    @fuyu5979 5 років тому +57

    The unrestricted bombing would not only would have SAVED more American soldiers' lives, but significantly affected the outcome of the war. An Army Vietnam vet once told me "you can't be in a war with one hand "tied behind your back, while the enemy is fighting "all-out."
    Good video. Thanks.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      The war has been over for over 40 years...and the NLF won! What have they done since their victory that would have justified the racist war against them??

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +2

      There is NOTHING that the U.S. military could have done to defeat the NLF! Even "bombing them back to the stone age" would not have helped! The Vietnamese people were determined to be FREE...to govern as THEY saw fit!!!

    • @eucliduschaumeau8813
      @eucliduschaumeau8813 2 роки тому +2

      @@robertroselle3341 You have a mighty perverted sense of "freedom". Seek help immediately. Communism is a terminal cancer that can only be eradicated to cure.

    • @packrat76
      @packrat76 2 роки тому +4

      @@robertroselle3341 free to overthrow the duly elected government of the Republic of South Vietnam, huh? All South Vietnam wanted was to be left alone by the North. What about their freedom, or the Hmong people in the hills that were slaughtered by the North?

    • @packrat76
      @packrat76 2 роки тому +2

      @@robertroselle3341 free to overthrow the duly elected government of the Republic of South Vietnam, huh? All South Vietnam wanted was to be left alone by the North. What about their freedom, or the Hmong people in the hills that were slaughtered by the North?

  • @ericm8732
    @ericm8732 4 роки тому +24

    I'm 54, born Oct 65, youngest of 5 children. I have 2 older brothers, the oldest, and 2 sisters. They are right much older than me. The oldest had a low draft Lotto # 36. He Enlisted before being drafted. He was told he would be going to Germany to hold the line against the Soviet Union! Well he got an all expense paid free trip to the South East Asian Paradise called Vietnam! U.S.Army Infantry! Changed him forever! Dr Jekyll & Mr.Hyde, Bipolar and won't take Med's for it. Self medicate's with alcohol, few month's on, then a few month's off! I love him to death and alway's will! He will give a stranger the shirt off his back, or his last peace of bread, even if he was starving! He's really a SUPER guy at heart, but that switch can go off in a second! Temper from Hell! My oldest sister's husband, was Class of 68! He enlisted also, U.S.Army! His dad was drafted early and spent all of WWII in the Pacific, Island hopping till after the end.His dad told him if he enlisted ,he may not have to go.Well he went there also. My Dad's sister got these copper P.O.W. M.I.A. bracelets for most of my extended family. My other older brother and sister's got one. It had the name and rank and some number's of one of our P.O.W.'s or M.I.A's on them. You were supposed to wear them until there name was on list's of them coming home. Some guy's made it back. My brother and sister still have their's and they were M.I.A.'s. May they forever R.I.P! I begged for one also,but was told I was too young to have one! I lived near, and road the School Bus with a girl who was few years older than me, and our family's knew each other. She had an older sister also.Her Dad was an Air Force Pilot, shot down over North Vietnam, and is still M.I.A. She didn't even remember her Dad, and her older sister can a little. Their mother never remarried and has past away now. Total waste of Precious Human Life for nothing! Never start a fight unless you finish it! SEMPER FI ....................................

  • @mauricerogerson5825
    @mauricerogerson5825 4 роки тому +6

    The key to winning wars is "overwhelming force". If you're not willing to use that, then you're better served to stay out of the conflict - if you can.

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999 4 роки тому +124

    Anybody wanting to read a truly excellent authentic book about Huey pilots and missions in Vietnam should read 'Chickenhawk' by Robert Mason ! You definitely will not regret it.

    • @patrickkickham3393
      @patrickkickham3393 3 роки тому +7

      What a book!! Totally amazes me everytime I read it

    • @doraenwright4076
      @doraenwright4076 3 роки тому +2

      Great book Before The Dawn was a great book about the riverine forces

    • @devildog1073
      @devildog1073 3 роки тому +4

      One of the best books on Vietnam I read. The book NAM was one of the best.

    • @richardpentelow655
      @richardpentelow655 3 роки тому +3

      I will try it. Dispatches by Michael Herr is interesting.

    • @doraenwright4076
      @doraenwright4076 3 роки тому +1

      Awesome book read before the dawn it's about the river rats on the Mekong

  • @ryarbrough1195
    @ryarbrough1195 4 роки тому +69

    24:55
    "Later, Agent Orange would be linked to health problems... ..."
    Ahh... That seems a little understated. ...

    • @nacolewagner211
      @nacolewagner211 3 роки тому +2

      My dad, Donald Leroy Welch RIP 12/30/2017, agent orange, service related death. 191st MI company, team 3, Airmobile detachment, 1st Calvary.

    • @tfs203
      @tfs203 3 роки тому +6

      Look how many ppl are leaping at the chance to have an untested vaccine shot into their body, just because their Government tells them to. So I can see how ppl believed Agent Orange was safe in the 60s, because their Government just lied.
      And No, Im not one of the weirdo conspiracy theorists, that think Covid doesnt exist.

    • @mikemhoon
      @mikemhoon 3 роки тому +5

      @@tfs203 I agree! Vaccine happened too fast ! Too much panic about the virus,etc....

    • @nikiwagner6879
      @nikiwagner6879 3 роки тому +1

      @@tfs203 due to my research into my dads "service related death"..agent orange..I now know about the tactics of our (many) world governments..I will NOT ever take this trial medication (jab).

    • @tfs203
      @tfs203 3 роки тому

      @@nikiwagner6879 Sorry about your Father, thats just sad. But you are right, and 10s of millions think the same! The fastest that anyother medication/vaccine, has gotten approved for public distribution, was 7yrs! The average it takes any drug to go from discovery to public consumption, is 12yrs! They had this in 6mths? I dont think so comrade! Even my Lawyer was hospitalized for 10 days(4 in the ICU) after his first shot. He told me he will NEVER take that shit again, because it was the worst he felt in decades. My Doctor, who is also the county coroner here, said he does not recommend it, for healthy adults! Old ppl, and ppl with compromised immune systems, are a different story he said. I tested positive for Covid, and never knew I had it, never had a symptom, yet my Father got sick as a dog, and developed Pneumonia.

  • @mistergreen7657
    @mistergreen7657 4 роки тому +19

    Never heard said , those brave young soldiers , dedicated soldiers , proud of my soldiers , country who dont love their soldier or defend them deserve very little in life in other words deserve nothing .

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +1

      Those "brave young soldiers" should NOT have been involved in a war against the Vietnamese people who were fighting for their right to determine their own future! No...I was not proud of friends, relatives, and other people of color who were fighting to prevent the Vietnamese people from determining their OWN destiny!

    • @mistergreen7657
      @mistergreen7657 3 роки тому +1

      @@robertroselle3341 no answer for you

    • @hobo5782
      @hobo5782 3 роки тому +3

      @@robertroselle3341 you do realize not all Vietnamese people wanted to live under ho chi minhs communism, thats why the arvn existed, to fight the pavn. Vietnam was much more complex than a simple American anti communist crusade.

  • @Patricia-un6kv
    @Patricia-un6kv 4 роки тому +30

    As quoted in an earlier episode of this story.....
    "If anybody thinks it's a good idea to go to war, they're crazy!!"
    "If anybody has never walked a battlefield with 2 or 3 hundred torn, bloating American and North Vietnamese bodies, then they shouldn't feel qualified to talk about the glory of war, because there is none. War sucks!!!"

  • @dragonquestbarrios1092
    @dragonquestbarrios1092 4 роки тому +5

    It's a comforting feeling to know there brave people out there that believe in there country to defend it with there lives.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +1

      Defend it against what??? The Vietnamese people DID NOT ATTACK the U.S.!!! the U.S. sent soldiers thousands of miles to attack people who had done NOTHING to the U.S....!!!

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      Yes...the Vietnamese people REALLY stepped up ...Didn't they!!

  • @ATFPuppyPopper
    @ATFPuppyPopper 4 роки тому +8

    All of these are amazing!, i love how much footage you guys show, thank you!

  • @planetmchanic6299
    @planetmchanic6299 5 років тому +53

    Ya, I was carpetbombed by B52's near firebase nine when we almost got over run by 2,000 NVA during TET. Also almost got naped at Jackson's Hole too. Thank God for flyboys. They saved my butt a coupla times.

    • @jdisdetermined
      @jdisdetermined 4 роки тому +1

      For some reason I read naped as raped.. I was like wtf? lol 😁👍👌

    • @badguy1481
      @badguy1481 3 роки тому

      I was carpetbombed by B-52's while flying a C-47. They missed!

    • @rickp46
      @rickp46 3 роки тому

      @@jdisdetermined better raped than naped.

    • @Mpren43
      @Mpren43 3 роки тому

      Would love to hear your story sir! Much respect to you and everyone who fought for our country.
      THANK YOU!!!!

    • @richardmartin2646
      @richardmartin2646 3 роки тому

      @@jdisdetermined u need help man

  • @randygrant6081
    @randygrant6081 4 роки тому +75

    God bless all our Viet Nam vets. You are all heroes to me. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

    • @davidca96
      @davidca96 4 роки тому +2

      I feel exactly the same, these guys went through Hell on Earth.

    • @deedle6785
      @deedle6785 4 роки тому +1

      Amen.

    • @dadyrocks49
      @dadyrocks49 4 роки тому +2

      Let’s remember that women were in uniform and in country too.

    • @patrickhausding7540
      @patrickhausding7540 3 роки тому +2

      Heroes or arrogant and clueless?

    • @anfrankogezamartincic1161
      @anfrankogezamartincic1161 3 роки тому

      @@patrickhausding7540 you might be right. F... all wars

  • @josedoe7332
    @josedoe7332 4 роки тому +10

    Much respect to pilot Fred cherry.

  • @thejudge-kv2jk
    @thejudge-kv2jk 4 роки тому +7

    Englishman here. Just goes to show if you haven't got competent politicians and senior military leaders then more people will die. The amount of time armies are hamstrung by politics and budgetary cuts is astounding.

  • @darkknight1340
    @darkknight1340 3 роки тому +15

    Johnson and Macnamara should have been indicted for war crimes against their own forces.
    A special salute to the Thunderchief pilots and bears who incurred so many needless casualties.

    • @Iconhulk
      @Iconhulk 2 роки тому

      @The Richest Man In Babylon Nah.. Now you have the Military Industrial Complex in your ear...
      Kennedy was gonna stop the war.. That's one reason why he was ASSASSINATED.
      Plus.. Communist, Marxism, Facism Cannot be allowed.. Cause they don't work. Born to fail ideologies..

    • @57silverwings
      @57silverwings Рік тому +1

      Johnson’s was a evil man

  • @BuffaloveBills
    @BuffaloveBills 4 роки тому +3

    I feel bad for all soldiers on both sides, who were forced to go to war. Much respect for those who volunteered.

  • @mistergreen7657
    @mistergreen7657 3 роки тому +8

    Honor for those soldiers...gratitude for their sacrifice.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +1

      Why?Why were they there in the first place?? What had the Vietnamese people done to deserve being attacked in such a vicious manner??

  • @schoc13
    @schoc13 Рік тому

    Some of These are guys are in good shape! I’m proud of them as a retired Marine Master Sergeant!

  • @kjames8299
    @kjames8299 3 роки тому +3

    Haunting yes.You had the ability to deal and your hands were tied

  • @chloeew4627
    @chloeew4627 Рік тому +4

    Having spent a few weeks in Vietnam in the early 2000 I was amazed how peaceful the towns and country folk were . The civilians showed me some of the raw damage the bombing caused , they had local memorials , shrines and photos , amazing. The country has recovered and evolved into a beautiful land . As usual $$$$ makes the difference between the have and have nots the same as the western world. RIP all civilians and soldiers of this terrible conflict.

  • @joehernande-721
    @joehernande-721 3 роки тому +5

    The slick,was always a reliable transport for the grunt in Vietnam taking you to a mission.
    and most importantly taking you out when things were to hot

  • @haroldcale4767
    @haroldcale4767 3 роки тому +11

    It has been 54 yrs since my Vietnam war begun. I remember all to well the cost of war. God help us to stay free.

    • @VNExperience
      @VNExperience 2 роки тому

      I sure am glad you made it home, Mr. Cale. If I were American myself, I'd say "welcome home". You guys deserved a warm welcome back home, not the kind you got back then.

    • @hml3672
      @hml3672 Рік тому

      Thanks for your service. I joined the Marines in 1969 and was in Vietnam in 1972. Welcome home.

  • @eucliduschaumeau8813
    @eucliduschaumeau8813 2 роки тому +8

    McNamara was weak out of the barrel. They should have combined "Rolling Thunder", "Linebacker I" and "Linebacker II" into the first year of the war and it would have ended before it really ever got started. Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

  • @manfredseidler1531
    @manfredseidler1531 2 роки тому +2

    I'm a Vietnam Vet and undoubtedly our hands-off policy and treating them with kids' gloves had no effect or impact on prolonging the war. They could do whatever they had to and we couldn't...
    isn't that how every military engages the enimy?

  • @kurtericmunroe9358
    @kurtericmunroe9358 4 роки тому +39

    Politicians screwed everyone over.

    • @jenzeglis113
      @jenzeglis113 4 роки тому +5

      Always have and they always will.

    • @tuanphamduc7206
      @tuanphamduc7206 4 роки тому

      @@jenzeglis113 Nguoi lam chinh tri mom noi la nong sung AR15

    • @ninaappelt9001
      @ninaappelt9001 3 роки тому

      Still doing it.

  • @robertnocerajr3985
    @robertnocerajr3985 4 роки тому +2

    Yeah we remember.... never forget

  • @petepal55
    @petepal55 2 роки тому +9

    No matter what anyone's politics are, John McCain deserves their respect! He was a key man in their tapping network.

    • @Pazuzu4219
      @Pazuzu4219 Рік тому

      Exactly.

    • @speddytaghetti7905
      @speddytaghetti7905 9 місяців тому +2

      He was a liar, and a fraud. Do some real research buddy.

    • @petepal55
      @petepal55 8 місяців тому

      @@speddytaghetti7905 I stopped paying attention to comments from people who don't supply their own sources. The only possible sources would be the people he was there with, which is my source, how about yours?

    • @speddytaghetti7905
      @speddytaghetti7905 8 місяців тому +2

      @@petepal55 well, all of the military guys he served with have gone on record saying the exact same thing that I said in my earlier comment, so maybe you actually should do some real research buddy.
      Best of luck. Truth hurts sometimes, be a big boy and learn how to deal with disappointment.

    • @speddytaghetti7905
      @speddytaghetti7905 8 місяців тому +1

      @@petepal55 he instantly gave up all of his info, classified intelligence, and everything else the VC demanded of him. Cried and squealed like a baby.
      Furthernore, it’s been discussed at great length that the ONLY reason he was held as a “prisoner” for so long was because he chose to be, as the higher ups in command including his own father, decided that the longer he remained a POW and the “more amazing” his fake “hero story” was, the easier and faster he would be able to climb the ranks of the US government/Congress/etc.
      Seriously bud, wake up and do research before you comment on something and sound like a total turd.

  • @billpugh58
    @billpugh58 Рік тому +2

    Project ranchhand killed and disabled babies that still suffer today. Brave men indeed. Flying over the jungle in the day, drinking beers in the evening.

  • @jamesrichie5082
    @jamesrichie5082 3 роки тому +13

    The chopper pilots and crew along with our medic,s were the bravest of all in nam.I salute you all.semper fi.

    • @garymoore2535
      @garymoore2535 8 місяців тому +1

      Those few minutes waiting in the LZ for casualties or troops to be loaded .......literally a sitting duck waiting for the bullet or RPG to arrive and ruin your day .....balls of steel !!!!!! 😬😬😬

  • @galesams4205
    @galesams4205 3 роки тому +2

    was at pleiku when VC /NVA breached the premiature , one sunday morning ARVN ( friendly troops) were said to be ON guard. 14 aircraft lost 12 americans. were drove out with apc and armor. 4th inf div. 10th armored B co.

  • @adamfrazer5150
    @adamfrazer5150 3 роки тому +5

    I can't imagine being an airman during this war, and basically being forced to play by the Moneyball rulebook.

  • @darthsk8ter480
    @darthsk8ter480 3 роки тому +3

    Fred Cherry is a legend

  • @jerrymarshall2095
    @jerrymarshall2095 5 років тому +25

    Shouldve got johnson ,mcnamara,andwestmoreland and dropped them on a bridge from a B52

  • @brucewindell5885
    @brucewindell5885 5 років тому +14

    Love the series hate the adds

    • @Kylemathews1
      @Kylemathews1 4 роки тому +1

      If you're on a computer download an ad blocker addon for your web browser

    • @kleggett2460
      @kleggett2460 4 роки тому +1

      Pay the $12 per month like I did.
      No ads.

    • @Patricia-un6kv
      @Patricia-un6kv 4 роки тому

      bruce windell
      I never see any ads, wherever I go on the internet, because I use *uBlock Origin* which is free.....
      github.com/gorhill/uBlock
      chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm
      It's the best, so don't try using anything else with similar names, because they're not as safe or reliable. Stay well...;-)

  • @johnzec1389
    @johnzec1389 7 місяців тому +1

    Read a door gunner's memoir of those days. "One February Morning". February. '68 to May '69.

  • @stevenclair5002
    @stevenclair5002 2 роки тому +1

    God bless and Thank you to all Vietnam vets !

  • @nguyenthangtx
    @nguyenthangtx 3 роки тому +1

    R.I.P to all who never come back home

  • @larrysune2659
    @larrysune2659 3 роки тому +6

    Every time I see these videos of McCain speaking I am reminded what a true Patriot looks like. RIP Sir

    • @davidaltreche4910
      @davidaltreche4910 3 роки тому +1

      John was a true Patriot, we fight for the United States of America.

    • @speddytaghetti7905
      @speddytaghetti7905 8 місяців тому

      You’re so blind and delusional. He was a traitor, liar, and conman.
      Period.
      Do some actual research pal.

  • @edwinlipton
    @edwinlipton 4 роки тому +6

    With all do respect to the service of all those who fought survived died in battle or came home or never came back at all, I thank you.
    This war was about munitions and armaments too the benefit of senators Congress men and women on both party members heavily invested in stocks in the INDUSTRIAL MILITARY INDUSTRIAL FACTORIES.
    No big deal you think? Your GREAT GREAT GRANDCHILDREN WILL STILL BE STUFFIING THE POCKETS OF THOSE INVESTORS and their heirs for many more decades too come in the form of employment taxes. For that war and the ones since, or too come.
    Put an end to any Gov leadership position profiting from anything crossing their desk for signature.

  • @killak8693
    @killak8693 4 роки тому +3

    CHERRY! IF YOU STILL LIVING, PEACE N BLESSINGS TO ALL....PILOTS!!!

  • @apocyldoomer
    @apocyldoomer 5 років тому +5

    The F-105, AKA " The lead sled"!!

  • @patrickdelrosso6032
    @patrickdelrosso6032 2 роки тому

    One of the best Vietnamese nam book written..

  • @gregorymoore5864
    @gregorymoore5864 3 роки тому +15

    Soon as I saw McCain's face, that was it, couldn't watch....

    • @neilgroom8804
      @neilgroom8804 Рік тому

      We hy because he called out Trump for what he is. ?

    • @neilgroom8804
      @neilgroom8804 Рік тому

      You try to disgrace a Veteran who served his country and worship a man who had a doctor make up a reason why he couldn't serve. Amazing.

  • @doccarew9103
    @doccarew9103 5 років тому +8

    Gotta love those shifty eyes on McNamara.

    • @gardenrevelation9603
      @gardenrevelation9603 4 роки тому

      The devil reserved a special place in hell for McCain and McNamara

  • @patrickgannon1677
    @patrickgannon1677 4 роки тому +4

    I hear a lot how loyal and tenacious the Vietnamese were, if another country attacked the U.S., I am sure we would be just as tenacious. Maybe it's American ego that we thought they would just give up and surrender to us.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 4 роки тому +1

      In theory, we were only acting in support of South Vietnam. If that government had not been so incredibly corrupt, and Ho Chi Minh had not been so much better, it might have worked.

    • @taymonkhan5574
      @taymonkhan5574 Рік тому

      Bạn phải tìm hiểu nhiều về lịch sử.. Hồ Chí Minh đã viết 12 lá thư nhờ sự giúp đỡ của tổng thống Mỹ.. nhưng tổng thống Mỹ bỏ ngoài tai và vài tháng sau còn đem quân xâm lược VN ...

  • @robertnocerajr3985
    @robertnocerajr3985 4 роки тому +1

    Yeah great message here and it’s a great miracle that they let some of the pows free

  • @cincoy3679
    @cincoy3679 4 роки тому +7

    How people is changing and are with are solders now. My dad would have hung me if l ever cut down a man fighting for us. Thank you dad. Miss you

    • @tfs203
      @tfs203 3 роки тому +1

      Because being emotionally fragile, and a weak victim, is the "In Thing" with alot of todays Society. Thats why we have so many unemployed, 30yr old virgins, living at home still, playing video games all night.
      My Grandfather wouldve disowned me on the spot! So I joined in 1997. But thankfully, I dont live in an area full of self loathing liberals, and delusional progressive cowards.

    • @theculturedthug6609
      @theculturedthug6609 3 роки тому +2

      @@tfs203 Spot on.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +1

      @@tfs203 You need to stay away from alcohol and drugs! They are affecting your judgement!

    • @tfs203
      @tfs203 3 роки тому

      @@robertroselle3341 Awwww! Adorable! Another basement dweller, trying to start a useless argument while remaining anonymous! I guess not having a job, remaining celibate, as Mommy continues to tell your still her big man, builds some sense of false self confidence? UA-cam is a great place for ppl like yourself!
      We both know you have never seen any conflict, besides yelling at your Parents!🤣

  • @JackBQuick79
    @JackBQuick79 2 роки тому

    My Uncle served 2 tours in Vietnam and made it home to die 40 years later from cancer due to agent orange, and i know he is not the only one so to all of you who watched agent orange eat your family member into bones......my heart is with you.

  • @joseo.5721
    @joseo.5721 2 роки тому +6

    God bless all VIETNAM VETERANS !!!!!!!!!!!

  • @leslielenahan2619
    @leslielenahan2619 4 роки тому

    Well said

  • @nobrenobre1
    @nobrenobre1 3 роки тому +2

    Rather than glorifying their soldiers, they better ask forgiveness!

  • @danishsailing4630
    @danishsailing4630 4 роки тому +25

    Songbird McCain sang like a canary. What a joke he's in this documentary talking about being a strong POW.

    • @alliearscott3978
      @alliearscott3978 4 роки тому +2

      It's never a good thing to speak ill of the dead, but lmaooo "sang like a Canary" LOL that's hilarious 😂😂😂😂

    • @jacobsladder6715
      @jacobsladder6715 4 роки тому

      Really? Where is the information on him singing? I would like to see that... you got that information?

    • @danishsailing4630
      @danishsailing4630 4 роки тому +1

      @@jacobsladder6715
      ua-cam.com/video/EHF0yXrwr-0/v-deo.html

    • @stanm9396
      @stanm9396 4 роки тому

      Don’t forget Jo

    • @neilgroom8804
      @neilgroom8804 Рік тому

      ​@@jacobsladder6715 Yeah you can tell by his broken arms. Another worthless Trump supporter.

  • @willoutlaw4971
    @willoutlaw4971 2 роки тому +3

    Robert McNamara, best Secretary of Defense Hanoi ever had.

  • @remote44
    @remote44 8 місяців тому

    @LionHear FilmWorks Not sure where you found this gem but more like this would be perfect.

  • @ryanehlis426
    @ryanehlis426 4 роки тому +13

    They where never trying to win, it was just a big money game that lined people’s pockets $

    • @dropzonewarzone5251
      @dropzonewarzone5251 4 роки тому +1

      secondary the primary reason the vatican wanted to set up a roman catholic base in S Vietnam. the monks totching themselves in the streets of saigon? yeah, the catholic controlled south were persecuting and torturing them. the genocidal inquesitions never ceased after the dark age.

    • @robertfandel9442
      @robertfandel9442 4 роки тому

      Funky you Jane

  • @josephcarrico9091
    @josephcarrico9091 5 років тому +8

    It is now the accepted truth that the Gulf of Tompkin incident was a FF and did not occur. This should not have been misstated at the beginning of the video.

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 4 роки тому +1

      It was only recently that enough information was available to say that with any confidence. There were questions from the beginning but the irregularities took decades to filter out.

  • @stevemoren286
    @stevemoren286 5 років тому +9

    " It was a limited war". We were limited and they were unlimited. Enough said.

    • @stevemoren286
      @stevemoren286 4 роки тому

      @Colin Cleveland What is meant by that?

    • @stevemoren286
      @stevemoren286 4 роки тому

      @Colin Cleveland We should have kept Linebacker 2 going for about 1 more week. Maybe not. Nixon didn't want to fight the Russians and the Chinese. Cold war turns into hot war. Both sides lost.

  • @edstyer2566
    @edstyer2566 4 роки тому +2

    We were manipulated and forgotten

  • @trevorlambert5803
    @trevorlambert5803 Рік тому

    I read Robert Masons Chicken Hawk book. The book was a good read,however I could not understand why he had such a tough life after his service in Vietnam. He fully admits most of his time in Vietnam was spent hauling supplies. The U.S. Army doesn’t let any old dummy fly Hueys so why after the War couldn’t he write is own ticket and fly civilian helos. He also admits that life for him and his wife only really got better because the book was a best seller! I never got the sense PTSD was a real issue for him!

  • @redzone012
    @redzone012 4 роки тому +4

    I don't get it, the announcement prior to the mission ! Why would the politician announce it prior to the mission ? !

  • @reermiye1geeljire41
    @reermiye1geeljire41 3 роки тому +2

    American and there aliase done everything in there power and lost the war well done to Vietnam

  • @dieuhuyenhothi9677
    @dieuhuyenhothi9677 3 роки тому +1

    Viêtnam 🇻🇳 🤝👏🤝🤝👌👍🇺🇸

  • @kcjcusbc5004
    @kcjcusbc5004 4 роки тому +2

    20:07 does anyone have or know a video with audio of a fax communicating with ground troops?

  • @hoanghai2k
    @hoanghai2k 3 роки тому +1

    If you come to Hanoi today, there are still some B52 body everywhere...:)

  • @johnwauters8576
    @johnwauters8576 3 роки тому +1

    My Father 3 tours of Duty, Danang air base

  • @claudiomatosdasilvamatos5837
    @claudiomatosdasilvamatos5837 4 роки тому +3

    I'm a fan of the Vietnam war wanted to fight in this war, I'm Claudio do Rio de Janeiro Brazil 🇧🇷

    • @gcf7175
      @gcf7175 4 роки тому

      Claudio, I am GCF from Daytona Beach, FL. I am a fan of war and of weightlifting. I look pretty good without a shirt, shaven or natural.

    • @marcosaurelio9497
      @marcosaurelio9497 4 роки тому +3

      You are Crazy Brazilian
      WAR is Hell

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael 4 роки тому +3

      It was a lot more of a mess than any series could possibly show. There was no top level plan, just react and let the soldiers kill and die. It was a stupid war from the beginning. with no clear objective and no hope at all of victory... whatever victory could possibly look like.

    • @claudiomatosdasilvamatos5837
      @claudiomatosdasilvamatos5837 4 роки тому

      Hello All right, good night. Yes You said it all was a cruel MT war I feel MT by the death of your soldiers in your country more was a war that got out of control the Maricans had everything to win this war more I think it was lack of extrategica in the jungle N was well prepared as You spoke or kills or dies and A survival as gave soldier of darkness i'm MT fan of the vietnam war was a great praze talks to you

    • @Patricia-un6kv
      @Patricia-un6kv 4 роки тому

      @@claudiomatosdasilvamatos5837
      As quoted in one of the earlier episodes of this story.....
      "If anybody thinks it's a good idea to go to war, they're crazy!!"
      "If anybody has never walked a battlefield with 2 or 3 hundred torn, bloating American and North Vietnamese bodies, then they shouldn't feel qualified to talk about the glory of war, because there is none. War sucks!!!"

  • @WindWalker1961
    @WindWalker1961 4 роки тому +2

    Johnny Wet Start aka the beast

  • @marinusscholtz9342
    @marinusscholtz9342 10 місяців тому +1

    Politicians are enemies of any state!!!

  • @allenhelderman1134
    @allenhelderman1134 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you LBJ and McNamera for getting some many airman killed

    • @dinosaur1029
      @dinosaur1029 4 роки тому +2

      Not just the airmen, which I was, but all 58,000+ of our soldiers from all branches and jobs that lost their lives when we could have done such a better job if we would have had leaders like we have now. I thank all current servicemen and veterans for their service to our country.

    • @jonathangraham4092
      @jonathangraham4092 4 роки тому +1

      55,000 plus

  • @TonyL-gw4qx
    @TonyL-gw4qx 3 роки тому +12

    Every time I see this type of video I see how incompetent our leaders are.
    War is war, you declare war and hit everything and everyone. There are no restrictions is war period.
    It makes me sick we lost all of our men because of freaking rules in a war?
    We are reliving this with Afghanistan right now. Complete failure with our leaders.
    ,Our military can win if you let our Generals do what they are trained to do.

    • @gs_weiss
      @gs_weiss 3 роки тому +1

      Win what? Battles? Then what? None of these wars benefited the life of the average working person in the US. The leaders aren't incompetent. Their agenda is different than yours and mine. All the presidents and politicians who brought us into these conflicts are doing just fine and so are the leaders of industry that paid for their campaigns. Ask a vet how they are. Ask a Mcdonalds employee if Vietnam made the burgers better. The soldiers were the best among us and we sent them on a fools errand...time and time again. Sad that we can't separate the amazing stories of soldiers in battle from the terrible and illegitimate agendas of the politicians that sent them there in the first place. We relived it with Afghanistan 20 years ago when we decided to go in there with no clear objective and no plan to leave. If you think the mistake is happening now, you're 20 years and a lot of wasted death and destruction, aka what they're trained to do, too late.

  • @cq7415
    @cq7415 3 роки тому +1

    All of our technology and still couldn’t win because our soldiers were not allowed to really fight because our leaders held them back. If your going to war, go full force. Lives were destroyed and lost due to this war, and all wars.

  • @patrickgannon1677
    @patrickgannon1677 4 роки тому +3

    Does the guy at 19:07 look a little bit like Brett Hart?

  • @ffdv7458
    @ffdv7458 4 роки тому +5

    Imagine murica was invaded in the same way....

  • @mcsmash4905
    @mcsmash4905 4 роки тому +7

    how did they expect to win a war without allowing their pilots to bomb the ports where supplies were being stockpiled

    • @belluh-1huey102
      @belluh-1huey102 3 роки тому

      Massive China border and bypassing through Cambodia and laos

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      So you think that going to war with China and the Soviet Union would have been a good idea! It is readily apparent that many...if not most of the people making comments on this page were not round at the time ... and have not a clue of what they are talking about!! Man is this country in BIG trouble!!!

    • @belluh-1huey102
      @belluh-1huey102 3 роки тому +1

      @@robertroselle3341 China was already risking a war with China and btw Linebacker II proves that china doesn't care if Hanoi gets fucked. So, I think a US invasion up north Vietnam can happen with no issue.

    • @chargree
      @chargree Рік тому

      Trick question….they didn’t want to win. How much money can be made from a 6 month war? Answer…a lot less than an 8 year protracted war that molds US resources into the population of the country. “War is a racket” -Audie Murphy(the United States’ most decorated soldier in all of it’s history)

    • @chargree
      @chargree Рік тому

      @@robertroselle3341 My friend, no one commenting here has ANY say or influence on those choices. As always, people like you turn to blame your fellow countryman, while you continue to vote in the same politicians that keep wasting our money on war, foreign aid, ridiculous fascist support/control over private industry, etc. I do not want war with ANY country. However, if the USA is going to be involved in a military struggle, let it be legal(declared by CONGRESS), unlimited(no restricted targets and not slowly escalated), and, finally, anyone in Congress that votes to declare war needs to be required to have first of kin(son or daughter) involved on the FRONT lines. Otherwise, the only skin they have in the game is OUR children, and the money they stand to make from the lobbyists that are constantly in their ear selling them on the virtues of war and selling its trappings to other countries.

  • @anhdang2713
    @anhdang2713 9 місяців тому

    So sad because of war

  • @tyronejennings7703
    @tyronejennings7703 4 роки тому +7

    all that bomb dropping from the sky and still got ran out!!!!

    • @badguy1481
      @badguy1481 4 роки тому +1

      When the B-52's dropped the bombs...the North Vietnamese "got run out"! lol!

    • @tyronejennings7703
      @tyronejennings7703 4 роки тому +2

      @@badguy1481 north vietnamese got run out??? if my history serves me correct, USA were the one that packed that bag and got the fuck outta there! lmao! truth hurts.

    • @Paulywauly1969
      @Paulywauly1969 4 роки тому +1

      @@tyronejennings7703 it wasn't the military that lost the war , it was the politicians .

    • @tyronejennings7703
      @tyronejennings7703 4 роки тому

      @@Paulywauly1969 bro... think about it!!! all that bomb dropping. air plane strikes, tanks, etc. USA had all the advantage! they were fighting against the vietnamese who only had rusty ass ak-47s! lol. they lost the war. it shouldnt have drag on for that long considering all the advantages they have. the politicians stepped in because this was going on longer than expected.

    • @Paulywauly1969
      @Paulywauly1969 4 роки тому +2

      @@tyronejennings7703 have you ever been to war? ... there is no advantage when you are fighting a war 8000 miles away when the enemy are in their own back yard. General Giap famously said if the US had invaded the north the outcome would've been a different story. The fact is there were many restraints put on the military despite all the bombing etc by politicians that were dictating military strategy as a opposed to the top brass. The allies won every major battle but were let down by the policies.

  • @brucefulper4204
    @brucefulper4204 4 роки тому +15

    Starts with a lie.....

  • @legionarulsquad6676
    @legionarulsquad6676 5 років тому +11

    "You don't get involved in war to be humane"

    • @danielfukyouston5319
      @danielfukyouston5319 4 роки тому +3

      You make a good point but i could see some possible cases where in the end a war could make the world a better place. Sounds strange saying tho lol

    • @800rmkpro
      @800rmkpro 4 роки тому +1

      Best quote of the show!

  • @hughbowman7591
    @hughbowman7591 4 роки тому +5

    I wonder how many actually knows the official name of the UH-1

  • @irvinreeves1825
    @irvinreeves1825 4 роки тому +12

    McCain talking about dignity?

  • @jackriley5974
    @jackriley5974 4 місяці тому

    You left out a very important player in this game played by our presidents. The RF-101 Voodoo responsible for photographing the results of the bombing. Save for the pilot's sidearm they were unarmed and to make matters worse they were expected. I saw what can happen to their aircraft and was privileged to drink with them occasionally.

  • @jerrytee2688
    @jerrytee2688 4 роки тому +9

    "The air-war had no effect on the outcome of the war", huh, wtf do you think the results would have been without our airpower?

    • @badguy5554
      @badguy5554 Рік тому

      The B-52...ALONE...won the Vietnam War for the Americans in 1972.. Their leftist politicians in Washington LOST South Vietnam in 1975.

  • @jag3217
    @jag3217 5 років тому +1

    On number 4 episode today can’t stop watching n learning more about this WAR!! Even when I hear it firsthand from the guy’s that we’re there ;)~ First guy I remember was my Neighbor around 66 or 68 Ray Hecker from Baton Rouge Louisiana n know he made it home n flew for the Oil industry off shore.He was at least 10 to 14 years older than I. Haven’t thought about Mr.Ray in a long time.Glad I didn’t have to go,to young.But would have no matter what the political BS was,cause that’s fellow Americans who are there fighting.

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999 4 роки тому +3

    I pity any soldier who falls alive into the hands of a sadistic enemy - in particular Asian enemies who have refined torture to a jaded 'art' over thousands of years of practice.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому +1

      Why do you call the Vietnamese people sadistic! You are lucky any of the U'S. prisoners were released!!! What the U.S. military did to the Vietnamese people was unnecessary and DISGUSTING...and to many CRIMINAL!!!

    • @SNP-1999
      @SNP-1999 3 роки тому +2

      @@robertroselle3341
      I didn't call the WHOLE Vietnamese people as being sadistic, just the men and women who brutally tortured American POW's. There is also no point trying to recapitulate a ten year's war (for the USA in Vietnam) in a few words on UA-cam.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      @@SNP-1999 Hell.... they are lucky that I was not a Vietnamese who had captured an American pilot that had bombed civilian populations...they would have regretted the day they were born! There is simply NO way to justify the savage attack on the Vietnamese people...who had done NOTHING to deserve being attacked...by the U.S. Government! Hell...I am still PISSED that I grew up in IGNORANTLY RACIST america in the 1940s and 1950s!!! I will neither forgive ...or FORGET!!!!

    • @SNP-1999
      @SNP-1999 3 роки тому +2

      @@robertroselle3341
      You seem to be a very disturbed and vindictive individual who ignores the fact that atrocities were carried out by both sides, as is always the case in warfare.

    • @robertroselle3341
      @robertroselle3341 3 роки тому

      @@SNP-1999 If someone comes into My house and starts abusing my family and me...NOTHING I may do to them should be considered an atrocity...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING..it would only be just retribution. I grew up in racist...segregated america...I ...obviously NEVER recovered from the trauma I experienced! "...disturbed and vindictive...doesn't come CLOSE to describing how I feel!!!I am close to 80 years old...and the scars I bear are as fresh as if I suffered them yesterday!

  • @thomaspick4123
    @thomaspick4123 Рік тому

    Johnny Wetstart. Did you start the fire on that aircraft carrier?

  • @dankippert2677
    @dankippert2677 4 місяці тому

    Our 2nd great generation korea and vietnam vets

  • @dr32803
    @dr32803 2 роки тому

    NVA & VC’s best defense was tunnels. No amount of bombing could truly affect them underground and they knew it.

  • @moisesfuentes2090
    @moisesfuentes2090 Рік тому

    Despite those weaponry, the uncle SAM was unable to subdue Uncle Ho!

    • @badguy5554
      @badguy5554 Рік тому

      The TRUTH: The American military WON the Vietnam War. FACT: It DESTROYED the Vietcong in 1968 and the North Vietnamese Army in 1972. FACT: Its so frightened the North Vietnamese government during the December 1972 bombing of Hanoi, they agreed to return to the Paris Peace table and sign a treaty in early 1973. FACT: Following that treaty, South Vietnam was a free and independent country. FACT: It was MORE of a "free and independent" country than even South Korea is TODAY, because a peace treaty between North and South Korea has NEVER BEEN SIGNED! FACT: Nixon LEARNED, in 1972, that the North Vietnamese mililtary was impotent to take over the South as long as B-52 bombers could be used to obliterate any future North Vietnamese invasion. FACT: The future use of B-52's was the promise Nixon made to the South Vietnamese government, its military and its people during those Paris Peace talks. FACT: The ONLY reason the North was able to again invade and take over the South was the FAILURE of the Democrat Congress to authorized funds for those B-52 strikes, during the North's 1975 invasion. FACT: If they HAD, there would still be a "free and independent" South Vietnam and MILLIONS of South Vietnamese would have survived the war.

  • @michaelmoon6675
    @michaelmoon6675 2 роки тому

    When the going gets tough , the tough get going..💪💪💪💪🤔🆒😎

  • @darthsk8ter480
    @darthsk8ter480 3 роки тому +1

    The Mccain experience

  • @colincrisp1592
    @colincrisp1592 4 роки тому +4

    the golf of Tonkin lies lies lies and nothing has changed