I think you said it and nailed it. Creating a counter to a champ that counters everything else in the game just opens up to the Armanz player just banning that one counter. The answer to solving the Armanz situation isn't trying to create Armanz counters, it's to nerf Armanz himself.
Solution: Increase cd on A2 by 1, and/or remove buff strip and/or the block part of A3. Problem solved. Go 2nd teams have a chance to get a turn in. Stoneskin works better. Trying to change the turn meter manipulation can make Armanz obsolete, so that one is trickier.
@@gkar9757 The A2 forces teams towards Stone Skin to counter it, and it cycles with the turn meter strip so quickly it might as well be a two turn cooldown, if it was a 4 turn cooldown, or not steal the turn meter, but just reduce it...Armanz being in speed gear anyway, he would still potentially get back around to his A2 to keep entire teams locked down indefinitely. I used to do that with Warlord's Lockout, but that was a 3t with a chance to reduce 50% turn meter, made him fast enough he'd lap opponents and lockout indefinitely. Right now essentially the A2 is a 2t cooldown that steals 3 turns from the entire enemy team, the current tuen, then the stun, then the wait for the next turn meter to refill...The A3 though. Being a targeted sheep, at most should pre-strip the target before sheeping it, but dice rolling to strip the entire enemy team is just bonkers. I don't know how many times I've watched it take out 3-4 Stone Skins, what an RNG disaster for the receiver...Rough all around.
"Unfortunately we don't have crazy gear or a high blessing" was uttered multiple times...This is one of the best showcase videos I've watched in a long time for exactly those reasons! I don't know why it's a trend amongst CCs to use ungodly gear and have 6 star blessings on showcase champs...this is irrelevant to the vast majority of players/viewers. I get it if one is comparing to a similar champ with similar endgame nutty gear as part of the showcase, but dmg/playtesting with more accessible gear is far more meaningful (at least IMHO). Thank you for doing a video that showcased a champ "unfortunately" not in insane gear or top tier blessing! P.S. A gorilla (Sampson) is an ape, not a monkey. ;)
One thing that I have noticed, a lot of CC's say "This could be a guaranteed champ?!" and then when it isnt people are confused and angry when they are not. I have seen many comments asking where the guaranteed dog to pair with packmaster, even though they never said they would make one guaranteed.
He's not enough of a counter. For him to be a true counter he would need built in survivability(so he wouldn't need stone skin and be able to utilize his passive). The ability to ignore stone skin(so that when the whole enemy team has it, he's not just stuck there. And he would need to be immune to polymorph. He is a counter in normal arena, siege and tag team only. In live he could be an easy ban. Another idea would be to give him a duo champ that would allow him to have these abilities while they are also a harder counter to Armanz by themselves. With something like when a champ attempts to be polymorphed redirects it to the active user and puts their skills on cooldown.
Interesting kit, although i see him just getting sheeped off the bat if someone decides to leave Armanz in. Other problem is that some will think it's fine to run him naked, no ss nuker for his passive to work. Don't really see that working all too well in LA. Lockout is problem...He seems kinda hard to use idk.
A few issues with this champion as an "Armantz counter". You have to run him without stoneskin which already puts you in a bad spot. Also, in order to get increased damage your team or at least some of them also cannot run stoneskin. So just like we saw in your vid they will get stunned. If the enemy team is in stoneskin you just stand there. Could you also check his passive being proc'ed with temporal chains blessing? I think it does proc it and it would be interesting to see.
Nubz it look like the A2 second attack is coded to attack the target with the least % of hp, so if they are all full hp it attacks the leader (the monkey(samsung), and then the monkey(wukong)), I really do hope they either change the wording to be just that or better yet, fix it so it actually attack the target with the lowest amount of actuall hp, not hp%. Looking at the 10:15 attack it looks like he keeps his damage for the extra attacks of his A2 from the his passive so that is nice. Problem with this guy in live arena is A: he can be banned (as you stated), B: Stone skun (again as you said) C: UDK and lastly D: Armanz can just sheep him instead.
If the opponent chooses to open with Armanz' Turn Meter Steal this champ cuts in before the Sheep, if the Armanz opens with Sheeping him instead of the TM Steal then this champ has given the rest of your team a chance to go. One way or the other he's gimping the Armanz teams' functionality. Additionally, if you work a 4 PC Pinpoint Set into his build then he can even prevent being sheeped if Armanz attempts that first.
Leo is actually meta again now in G4 LA due to his passive. When either Gizmak or the new bomb mythical kill everyone, his unkillable keeps him alive. Pretty cool.
Maybe it’s the gear and blessing but seeing this tells me he is a good Armanz counter but not worth taking the spot in end game live or even top classic teams.
I just pulled this dude today... he kinda sucks. He's a mish mash of so many different things that are good on heir own, but just don't work together properly. He's good in classic arena offense against armanz teams with no lockout, no Taras, no UDK and no Harima, I'll give him that. Bringing him into live arena is nearly pointless. If you're bringing him as just an Armanz counter, you still need to bring fast lockout or ban the Armanz- things you had to do anyways. Or you bring stoneskin and he doesn't do what he was supposed to do! Armanz has a built in counter to the Armanz counter- he'll just sheep him instead. So we build him in pinpoint / stoneskin? That's the only way he even remotely works in live arena? He's missing something- 2 turn unkillable with the block debuffs? Full team block damage if he kills someone with the A3? Can't weak hit? Block revive on the A2? I don't know man, I'm not a game developer.
Have him as a champ pass since the only issue with xena was people didn't think she was worth it. I guarentee so many will buy the pass tell Plarium to do it now!
He needs NERFED!!! Not one stinking champ that can counter him. It’s totally ridiculous to make a champ that strong in PvP. All the best champs have at least a half dozen options to counter them by themselves so unless they plan on giving counter turn meter skills to a host of champions one counter champ is a weak answer.
other thatn going faster than him and either nuking him or locking him out, what are these insane counters you are talking about? If you are talking aboit leorius, yes he ignores the stun but he still loses his turn meter :)
@@frickxnas High Resist champs? Force affinity champs? Tormin? Supreme Galek? Stone skin gear? Protection Gear? Deflection gear? Frostbite gear? Immunity gear?Untouchable gear? Polymorph? Do i still need to keep going?
@@jhonniekravchenko643 Actually yes, coz if that was the case then everyone would use these. Polymorph doesnt work as well if you dont have 6 star and he might still cc someone important in your team. Tormin does nothing as most enemies are in stroneskin and his dmg is very low to be ur nuker. Stoneskin does help ofc but in live arena they can always go for the sheep and in the meantime remove your ss from other champs. Deflection and frostbite sound promising but you gotta put these in ur main supports who will be picked first to apply the debuffs before they hit your nuker. still a huge gamble, but better than nothing, though u can get polymorph ur support with these sets :D HE needs a counter like udk is for rotos. the rest are not really stopping him
@@jhonniekravchenko643 skill? you are talking about a trillion rng based effects + you probably have god gear to win against the good accounts in this rank and u probably whaled yourself. not everyone has this luxury. but if you do that consistently please make a video and share it on your channel. i ll be the first to watch. I dont say armanz is unbeatable, I have won sometimes too but he is definitely way overtuned.
This is trash cc fomo. Every cc just spews the same logic of plarium, even though we know that the only counter to Armanz it's another but faster Armanz. Just stop pushing viewers to waste money on plarium gain's sake for the New Crazy Strong Champion
I think you said it and nailed it. Creating a counter to a champ that counters everything else in the game just opens up to the Armanz player just banning that one counter. The answer to solving the Armanz situation isn't trying to create Armanz counters, it's to nerf Armanz himself.
Solution: Increase cd on A2 by 1, and/or remove buff strip and/or the block part of A3. Problem solved. Go 2nd teams have a chance to get a turn in. Stoneskin works better.
Trying to change the turn meter manipulation can make Armanz obsolete, so that one is trickier.
He could deplete TM in A2 and separately A3 strip + stun as Bolint does.
Still strong but not OP to the extend of the current sick situation.
@@gkar9757 The A2 forces teams towards Stone Skin to counter it, and it cycles with the turn meter strip so quickly it might as well be a two turn cooldown, if it was a 4 turn cooldown, or not steal the turn meter, but just reduce it...Armanz being in speed gear anyway, he would still potentially get back around to his A2 to keep entire teams locked down indefinitely. I used to do that with Warlord's Lockout, but that was a 3t with a chance to reduce 50% turn meter, made him fast enough he'd lap opponents and lockout indefinitely. Right now essentially the A2 is a 2t cooldown that steals 3 turns from the entire enemy team, the current tuen, then the stun, then the wait for the next turn meter to refill...The A3 though. Being a targeted sheep, at most should pre-strip the target before sheeping it, but dice rolling to strip the entire enemy team is just bonkers. I don't know how many times I've watched it take out 3-4 Stone Skins, what an RNG disaster for the receiver...Rough all around.
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"Unfortunately we don't have crazy gear or a high blessing" was uttered multiple times...This is one of the best showcase videos I've watched in a long time for exactly those reasons! I don't know why it's a trend amongst CCs to use ungodly gear and have 6 star blessings on showcase champs...this is irrelevant to the vast majority of players/viewers. I get it if one is comparing to a similar champ with similar endgame nutty gear as part of the showcase, but dmg/playtesting with more accessible gear is far more meaningful (at least IMHO).
Thank you for doing a video that showcased a champ "unfortunately" not in insane gear or top tier blessing!
P.S. A gorilla (Sampson) is an ape, not a monkey. ;)
One thing that I have noticed, a lot of CC's say "This could be a guaranteed champ?!" and then when it isnt people are confused and angry when they are not. I have seen many comments asking where the guaranteed dog to pair with packmaster, even though they never said they would make one guaranteed.
He's not enough of a counter. For him to be a true counter he would need built in survivability(so he wouldn't need stone skin and be able to utilize his passive). The ability to ignore stone skin(so that when the whole enemy team has it, he's not just stuck there. And he would need to be immune to polymorph. He is a counter in normal arena, siege and tag team only. In live he could be an easy ban. Another idea would be to give him a duo champ that would allow him to have these abilities while they are also a harder counter to Armanz by themselves. With something like when a champ attempts to be polymorphed redirects it to the active user and puts their skills on cooldown.
Thanks for the call out Nub 😊 Appreciate it!
Interesting kit, although i see him just getting sheeped off the bat if someone decides to leave Armanz in. Other problem is that some will think it's fine to run him naked, no ss nuker for his passive to work. Don't really see that working all too well in LA. Lockout is problem...He seems kinda hard to use idk.
I pulled a single sacred for CvC and pulled him. Can't wait to start using him. He will be my main arena nuker now
Yeah Narses is immune to ally attacks. A good thing to keep in mind when using Mikage
I've been using Pythion, Drexthar, Mythrala to counter. Force champioms, with cleanse, Resistance, burn.
A few issues with this champion as an "Armantz counter". You have to run him without stoneskin which already puts you in a bad spot. Also, in order to get increased damage your team or at least some of them also cannot run stoneskin. So just like we saw in your vid they will get stunned. If the enemy team is in stoneskin you just stand there.
Could you also check his passive being proc'ed with temporal chains blessing? I think it does proc it and it would be interesting to see.
You know how yo nerf amanz. Make his a2 not steal tm if there are less the five enemies.
I think this is balanced
Glad I just pulled my 2nd Armanz 😁
it's cool to see it work clearly as counterplay to Armanz Stun, it then raises the question of how to deal with his sheep :\
I just pulled him off one sacred during his progression chance event ❤
Nubz it look like the A2 second attack is coded to attack the target with the least % of hp, so if they are all full hp it attacks the leader (the monkey(samsung), and then the monkey(wukong)), I really do hope they either change the wording to be just that or better yet, fix it so it actually attack the target with the lowest amount of actuall hp, not hp%.
Looking at the 10:15 attack it looks like he keeps his damage for the extra attacks of his A2 from the his passive so that is nice.
Problem with this guy in live arena is A: he can be banned (as you stated), B: Stone skun (again as you said) C: UDK and lastly D: Armanz can just sheep him instead.
If the opponent chooses to open with Armanz' Turn Meter Steal this champ cuts in before the Sheep, if the Armanz opens with Sheeping him instead of the TM Steal then this champ has given the rest of your team a chance to go. One way or the other he's gimping the Armanz teams' functionality. Additionally, if you work a 4 PC Pinpoint Set into his build then he can even prevent being sheeped if Armanz attempts that first.
armanz just need to go, pleeeeeaaaaseeee
Armanz users will just A3 him instead
Ateba def he will not.
But if armanz is the reason your team get a turn because of the CC then he's helping a lot
The problem this guy has is that he's a nuker that works if he goes 2nd which is risky
@@gkar9757 he doesn’t work well
By going first?
@@arclite95 with stoneskin everywhere and some super tanky champs plus he doesnt have that insane dmg he is not doing well, no
Wouldn't have known how to pronounce his name until you said it
Do you think they will make a guarantee event for him like 150 ancients or so
Congratz on the wedding...also... I can play a drinking game with how many times you said ...monkey....
was clear that they will bring a Armanz-Counter.
got him today, from common sacral
So funny that Armanz was last man standing against his "counter" 🤣
thanks for the pronunciation!
Wheres the video about the deck of fate scummery thats going on?
Leo is actually meta again now in G4 LA due to his passive. When either Gizmak or the new bomb mythical kill everyone, his unkillable keeps him alive. Pretty cool.
and cannot be cced until he hits his a3 or a2 i don recall
@@frickxnas yeah, such a great champ! Wish I had him.
Its sad when the magic attack champion is better then the void in sylvian watchers. I got Ailil but even with my best gear he hit like a wet nudle
He's another squishy nuker lol add him to the list.....I love my royal couple btw LONG LIVE THE KING AND QUEEN 😂
i think you monkey counted as lowest hp cause of stone skin, stone skin has set hp pool if im not mistaking
I wish it would counter sheep too.
I use Mithrala to counter Armanz or my high resist Pythion.
Maybe it’s the gear and blessing but seeing this tells me he is a good Armanz counter but not worth taking the spot in end game live or even top classic teams.
If he was the fusion id would have done this one instead
Think they made this champ just for you to showcase, who else can pronounce Irish names😅
Just got him wtf😂
I just pulled this dude today... he kinda sucks. He's a mish mash of so many different things that are good on heir own, but just don't work together properly. He's good in classic arena offense against armanz teams with no lockout, no Taras, no UDK and no Harima, I'll give him that. Bringing him into live arena is nearly pointless. If you're bringing him as just an Armanz counter, you still need to bring fast lockout or ban the Armanz- things you had to do anyways. Or you bring stoneskin and he doesn't do what he was supposed to do! Armanz has a built in counter to the Armanz counter- he'll just sheep him instead. So we build him in pinpoint / stoneskin? That's the only way he even remotely works in live arena? He's missing something- 2 turn unkillable with the block debuffs? Full team block damage if he kills someone with the A3? Can't weak hit? Block revive on the A2? I don't know man, I'm not a game developer.
Have him as a champ pass since the only issue with xena was people didn't think she was worth it. I guarentee so many will buy the pass tell Plarium to do it now!
then all will put armanz in stone skin...simple.
He needs NERFED!!! Not one stinking champ that can counter him. It’s totally ridiculous to make a champ that strong in PvP. All the best champs have at least a half dozen options to counter them by themselves so unless they plan on giving counter turn meter skills to a host of champions one counter champ is a weak answer.
He's a gorilla.
Odin does more damage than this. lol
This is a pretty bad counter. His counter is hope your one guy can wipe the team which doesnt work if theyre in stone skin.
Armanz should be just nerfed for ruining game
Armanz already have plenty of counters but ppl prefer to just cry for a nerf instead of counter him.
other thatn going faster than him and either nuking him or locking him out, what are these insane counters you are talking about? If you are talking aboit leorius, yes he ignores the stun but he still loses his turn meter :)
@@frickxnas High Resist champs? Force affinity champs? Tormin? Supreme Galek? Stone skin gear? Protection Gear? Deflection gear? Frostbite gear? Immunity gear?Untouchable gear? Polymorph? Do i still need to keep going?
@@jhonniekravchenko643 Actually yes, coz if that was the case then everyone would use these. Polymorph doesnt work as well if you dont have 6 star and he might still cc someone important in your team. Tormin does nothing as most enemies are in stroneskin and his dmg is very low to be ur nuker. Stoneskin does help ofc but in live arena they can always go for the sheep and in the meantime remove your ss from other champs. Deflection and frostbite sound promising but you gotta put these in ur main supports who will be picked first to apply the debuffs before they hit your nuker. still a huge gamble, but better than nothing, though u can get polymorph ur support with these sets :D HE needs a counter like udk is for rotos. the rest are not really stopping him
@@frickxnas It works for me in Gold 4 LA. I guess they call it skill diff :)
@@jhonniekravchenko643 skill? you are talking about a trillion rng based effects + you probably have god gear to win against the good accounts in this rank and u probably whaled yourself. not everyone has this luxury. but if you do that consistently please make a video and share it on your channel. i ll be the first to watch. I dont say armanz is unbeatable, I have won sometimes too but he is definitely way overtuned.
This is trash cc fomo. Every cc just spews the same logic of plarium, even though we know that the only counter to Armanz it's another but faster Armanz. Just stop pushing viewers to waste money on plarium gain's sake for the New Crazy Strong Champion
one trick pony mid
16:06 Lazarius support can deal with stoneskin or marius or Galathir, or krixia stoneskin isn't impossible
Armanz needs to get gone! Can’t stand what he has done to the meta. Adding him to the game was so damaging.
Yeah Narses is immune to ally attacks. A good thing to keep in mind when using Mikage