@@angrywehraboosnoises8016 Think of it this way. If you wanted something that would perform against the tanks of 1943 or 1944 like the KV-1 did against the Panzer-3's and Panzer-4's in 1941, you get to the Maus. If your requirement is something with such heavy armor that no tank of the time can knock it out with their main gun (like the KV-1 in 1941) you end up with an absurd beast of a tank. Its very German and very stupid at the same time. A great technical solution to bad requirements creating a useless system. Its just like the He-177 bomber. The figured out most of the flaws with strategic bombing earlier than any other country did. But then they came up with a technical solution of having heavy bombers be able to "dive bomb".
@@Jim-Tuner but you wouldn't need a maus to be effective. Aside from the reliability issues a panther would be able to bounce of shells from a KV-1 more often that not. And it wouldn't be as big of a target to planes. I mean the panther was far away from invincible and i sound like a wehraboo for bringing this up (hence the name) but the KV-1 performed quite different than a indistructable force that only surrenderd once it ran out of ammo and fuel. So was the panther but you have to note that panzer 3 and 4s actually destroyed KV-1s Point being that the Maus seems more like a countermeasure to the KV-2 given that this tank had a much bigger canon. Then again i am not an expert and shouldn't be taken by word
Maus is absolutely retarded but with out a doubt my favourite tank I absolutely love this thing. Best ht ever😂 love learning anything new I can about this monstrosity. Thanks for the hard work you put into this video, I appreciate you!!
it's a surprise to me that the maus had a cramped turret and hull, I thought it was spacious for the 6 crews manning it.. the layout at 25:40 showed that almost all the space on the hull was occupied by the engine and transmission and coz of the size of the 12.8 cm main gun, it made the a bit cramped..
6:22 comment to the photo comment. This railroad cart is not sagging, it is clearly purposely constructed or modified to transport the Maus. If a normal railcart would sag that much it would surely derail on a first arch. I'd rather point out that there is 4 set of wheels under the Sturmtiger and around 3 times more under the Maus.
They should have just used the steel to finish the dozen maus. Why? Because they were suppose to be scrapped but none of them even were and the steel they were using that they were supposed to give to other tanks they kept. So basically it all went to waste when if they finished the dozen maus at least they got a few new tanks.
Very comprehensive - looking forward to Part 2. Although, now more than ever, I am asking myself - "What were they thinking?" and why did not someone say "Chaps. Enough of that, lets get back to reality. And build more Pz 4 & Panthers or something." I can imagine Porsche telling Hitler about fitting the Flak 43 on the roof and Speer making strangling noises in the corner.
The problem with building more panther G's and PzKfw IV's is that they would not have the fuel to supply them, due to the previous, making each tank as dangerous as possible would be the best possible decision
The maus makes no sense because seems like we only see it in a military historical way. Fascism is capitalims in decay, where the state becomes a servant for the companies and enslaves the population. Germany never had a chance to win the war, but they didnt want to, because big companies like krupp, porche, wolkswaggen, heinkel, adidas, huggoboss... made a huge proffit. German companies where the ones that won the war. In that context, the maus was only a sinkhole for state money that some engineers and companies profited from. Thats why they never stoped changing things and they never asked the army about what they needed. At least is how i see it.
@@jgrandson5651 You know everyone one of those companies had a pile of ash for a factory, no workers, worthless savings 8in a dead currency), no access to foreign savings and a lot of their directors on trial in 45/46/47. German companies "won" the peace due to the Marshal Plan and US dollars. They certainly did not win the war.
Yeah, the "more panzer 4's and stugs" option seems great, but it ignores the oil, manpower and steel shortages in the reich during 44 onwards. they were even having trouble with manpower in 43. while a lot of slack was in the industries, and the maus was just one of the heavy tank dick measuring contest's fever dreams, there was a reason to things like the tiger 2, for the same men and a bit more fuel, it was hoped it could kill more. this didn't happen, as the reich also had chronic training problems, and shortages of strong enough tooling to improve the reliability of their late heavy tanks. it was a damning situation with no way out, and the reich didn't want to surrender either, so they fought to the end.
@@ltcitadel actually, according to this video I'll quote (it's a shame it is in spanish, but you can at least see the figures in numbers), Germany had no serious shortages on fuel nor other resources like steel (they were not plenty anyway, but yet not crippling shortages) as late as 1943, but it had anyway lost most of the major battles they had fought and, one could even say, they had already lost the war. The video: ua-cam.com/video/I_hYOaagZ6E/v-deo.html
I found this video to be mostly informative, although I couldn't make much sense of the side armour. Each proposal had a diagram but they seemed to lack the details that was the data beside the diagrams. Where were the tracks in all this, and how were the plates positioned in relation to the hull?
Someone like me rewatches videos like this multiple times months or years after they were made and it helps having part numbers in the titles to find and connect the videos
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they did so much overwork on it that they lost the focus point, if all this effort were invested into anti tank portable guns they could have extended the war in the western front a little more.
@@INWMI Uh, when i meant "atom bombed", i mean Germany gets bombed lol. The US specifically mentioned that defeating Germany is the no.1 priority. Since the US atom bomb was ready by mid July, they would have used against Germany in late July or early August '45.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT The M1 had a pre-DU steel slab on the front of about 400mm thickness. Whatever NCO is showing it off can point out the weld line on the front where the slab ends. Regardless, even the M48/60/103 had 200-300mm frontal thicknesses with only a fraction of the weight. Why couldn't the Germans just do what the Patton series did in the 50's?
It was "Surprising", that they wern't used to defend the CAPTAIL, at the end of the war . . . just the two completed, would have cost the Russians at least 100 tanks a piece . . .
This is my favorite voiced article thus far, keep up the good work
Soviet onion
Soviet Onion
Russia: builds a Kv1
Germany: builds Tiger 1
Russia: builds IS 2
Germany: builds Tiger 2
Russia: builds IS 3
Germany: goes sicko mode and builds a 188t maus
Russia builds ist
Germany: reeeeEEEeeEeeEeeEeEeeEeeEeEeeEeeEeeEeEAhhhhHgGhGGGGGgGGghhHGHh
The Maus was actually a reaction to early encounters with the KV-1 in 1941.
@@Jim-Tuner to the KV-1
Idk about you but that seems a bit overkill
@@angrywehraboosnoises8016 Think of it this way. If you wanted something that would perform against the tanks of 1943 or 1944 like the KV-1 did against the Panzer-3's and Panzer-4's in 1941, you get to the Maus. If your requirement is something with such heavy armor that no tank of the time can knock it out with their main gun (like the KV-1 in 1941) you end up with an absurd beast of a tank.
Its very German and very stupid at the same time. A great technical solution to bad requirements creating a useless system. Its just like the He-177 bomber. The figured out most of the flaws with strategic bombing earlier than any other country did. But then they came up with a technical solution of having heavy bombers be able to "dive bomb".
@@Jim-Tuner but you wouldn't need a maus to be effective.
Aside from the reliability issues a panther would be able to bounce of shells from a KV-1 more often that not. And it wouldn't be as big of a target to planes.
I mean the panther was far away from invincible and i sound like a wehraboo for bringing this up (hence the name) but the KV-1 performed quite different than a indistructable force that only surrenderd once it ran out of ammo and fuel.
So was the panther but you have to note that panzer 3 and 4s actually destroyed KV-1s
Point being that the Maus seems more like a countermeasure to the KV-2 given that this tank had a much bigger canon.
Then again i am not an expert and shouldn't be taken by word
"Ok. So no more than 100 Tons."
"Ok. Ok. No more than 120 Tons."
"Ugh. OK. No more than 150 Tons."
"Oh for fuck's sake - NO MORE THAN 180 TONS!"
The animator really had a blast with this VA, didnt he xD
Yes
It's my favourite tank too!!!
188tons of steel that could have made nearly 8 Pz-IVs
Maus is absolutely retarded but with out a doubt my favourite tank I absolutely love this thing. Best ht ever😂 love learning anything new I can about this monstrosity. Thanks for the hard work you put into this video, I appreciate you!!
Does anyone know if style was implement within any WW2 armored equipment?
it's a surprise to me that the maus had a cramped turret and hull, I thought it was spacious for the 6 crews manning it.. the layout at 25:40 showed that almost all the space on the hull was occupied by the engine and transmission and coz of the size of the 12.8 cm main gun, it made the a bit cramped..
6:22 comment to the photo comment. This railroad cart is not sagging, it is clearly purposely constructed or modified to transport the Maus. If a normal railcart would sag that much it would surely derail on a first arch. I'd rather point out that there is 4 set of wheels under the Sturmtiger and around 3 times more under the Maus.
They should have just used the steel to finish the dozen maus. Why? Because they were suppose to be scrapped but none of them even were and the steel they were using that they were supposed to give to other tanks they kept. So basically it all went to waste when if they finished the dozen maus at least they got a few new tanks.
It inspired the Big Zam from Gundam.
One way to loose the war - Maus , 80cm railway gun and so weiter
When I win the lottery I will have the Maus restored to running order😁
You do good work. Anywhere I can spread these videos (like reddit) ?
Anywhere helps
Anywhere helps.
Anywhere helps
You should go to Poland. Obviously.
Maus: *exists on the battlefield*
Every Allied CAS Pilot: "ooh, that's a juicy target!"
Very comprehensive - looking forward to Part 2. Although, now more than ever, I am asking myself - "What were they thinking?" and why did not someone say "Chaps. Enough of that, lets get back to reality. And build more Pz 4 & Panthers or something." I can imagine Porsche telling Hitler about fitting the Flak 43 on the roof and Speer making strangling noises in the corner.
The problem with building more panther G's and PzKfw IV's is that they would not have the fuel to supply them, due to the previous, making each tank as dangerous as possible would be the best possible decision
The maus makes no sense because seems like we only see it in a military historical way. Fascism is capitalims in decay, where the state becomes a servant for the companies and enslaves the population. Germany never had a chance to win the war, but they didnt want to, because big companies like krupp, porche, wolkswaggen, heinkel, adidas, huggoboss... made a huge proffit. German companies where the ones that won the war. In that context, the maus was only a sinkhole for state money that some engineers and companies profited from. Thats why they never stoped changing things and they never asked the army about what they needed. At least is how i see it.
@@jgrandson5651 You know everyone one of those companies had a pile of ash for a factory, no workers, worthless savings 8in a dead currency), no access to foreign savings and a lot of their directors on trial in 45/46/47. German companies "won" the peace due to the Marshal Plan and US dollars. They certainly did not win the war.
Yeah, the "more panzer 4's and stugs" option seems great, but it ignores the oil, manpower and steel shortages in the reich during 44 onwards. they were even having trouble with manpower in 43. while a lot of slack was in the industries, and the maus was just one of the heavy tank dick measuring contest's fever dreams, there was a reason to things like the tiger 2, for the same men and a bit more fuel, it was hoped it could kill more. this didn't happen, as the reich also had chronic training problems, and shortages of strong enough tooling to improve the reliability of their late heavy tanks. it was a damning situation with no way out, and the reich didn't want to surrender either, so they fought to the end.
@@ltcitadel actually, according to this video I'll quote (it's a shame it is in spanish, but you can at least see the figures in numbers), Germany had no serious shortages on fuel nor other resources like steel (they were not plenty anyway, but yet not crippling shortages) as late as 1943, but it had anyway lost most of the major battles they had fought and, one could even say, they had already lost the war. The video: ua-cam.com/video/I_hYOaagZ6E/v-deo.html
pro go on u are legend 💪
The picture at 11m34s shows a Tiger 1 turret on top of the Maus turret for scale I suspect...thanks for this series on the Maus. Fascinating
I found this video to be mostly informative, although I couldn't make much sense of the side armour. Each proposal had a diagram but they seemed to lack the details that was the data beside the diagrams. Where were the tracks in all this, and how were the plates positioned in relation to the hull?
Check the article :)
I did, there wasn't any different information about the side armour.
Oh NO Bunker on tracks
I checked the article and there was nothing new about the side armour, I still don't understand what the side armour was like.
I liked the video, but I think it should be labeled as part 1 for future reference to it
Someone like me rewatches videos like this multiple times months or years after they were made and it helps having part numbers in the titles to find and connect the videos
Correct and done.
Tanks Encyclopedia I didn't think y'all'd do it lol. Thanks 188 tons!
@@LmgWarThunder when someone is right, he is right
Awesome! Next can you do the VK4501P?
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@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Alrighty Then
These are intresting videos
Very impressed…. Great comprehensive vid and thank you so much!
I wonder which enemy tank would be able survive an encounter with the mouse unless they chose to turn tail and leged it
they did so much overwork on it that they lost the focus point, if all this effort were invested into anti tank portable guns they could have extended the war in the western front a little more.
If they extended the war to July or August 1945, they will be the first nation to be atom bombed.
So, thank god they surrendered earlier
@@darnit1944 the nazi atom bomb was just a theory, from 43 and beyond the nation lost the capability to create anything to prevent their defeat
@@INWMI Uh, when i meant "atom bombed", i mean Germany gets bombed lol. The US specifically mentioned that defeating Germany is the no.1 priority.
Since the US atom bomb was ready by mid July, they would have used against Germany in late July or early August '45.
Can you explain how modern tanks can have double or triple the armour thickness yet weigh half or more as much as the Maus?
They do not. They have double or triple the equivalent armor thickness by using composite armor, NERA and ERA
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT The M1 had a pre-DU steel slab on the front of about 400mm thickness. Whatever NCO is showing it off can point out the weld line on the front where the slab ends. Regardless, even the M48/60/103 had 200-300mm frontal thicknesses with only a fraction of the weight. Why couldn't the Germans just do what the Patton series did in the 50's?
@@PositionLight Something called rebuilding. The German economy is in ruins, remember?
@@darnit1944 pretty sure he means what the Americans did in the 50s, but in WW2
@@Sandycheeks6699 In that case maybe the technology isnt there yet.
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It was "Surprising", that they wern't used to defend the CAPTAIL, at the end of the war . . . just the two completed, would have cost the Russians at least 100 tanks a piece . . .
Only one was completed, and when Berlin was under attack, the maus testing fields where in the hands of the Russians
@@goomy__6420 they should have moved the maus away
@@Phantom-bh5ru Good luck moving a 188 ton tank when you're evacuating everything else over bombed railway lines.