Should have gotten a Bianca! Only kidding but nice video, I intend to be switching from my Sette 270wi to a Niche Zero sometime soon and weirdly enough the retractable cord is what just sold it for me. 😁
I actually really enjoyed how you used the smart grinder pro as a comparison. Considering most people will be upgrading from one it makes the most sense that you would use it as a benchmark.
I used a hand crank grinder for years. Wanted to start making espresso so needed a better grinder. Got this grinder it was not cheap but had good reviews. I liked the looks. Have had it for 9 months forgot about the price. This is a great low RPM conical burr grinder. The burrs are large high end quality fine grind is great for espresso shots Also use it for pots of drip over. Fill the cup to little over half with beans added to hopper it's a full load. Like medium roast coffee. Drip over less fine grind also makes a good pot of coffee. I get the feeling made a good choice. May never need another grinder this is built to last many years. Breakdown to clean is easy. A strong quality build.
People should now that you can twist the ring with the chrome dot independently from grind adjustment. So once you reach the end of one side, you can spin the black ring around to the other side and still be able to use the markings as a guide
Hello There.. I just now bought the Niche Zero Grinder.I chose, the white one .as it contrast my Crimson blue Breville Pro. I have been watching your web site for some time now . Your honest and detailed revue is a blessing in the sky.I noticed this morning the British £ dropped and I took advantage on that.However it isn't cheap ,because everything is pretty well geared to the US $. It will be chipped 7 days from now.When the Niche will arrive,I'll let you know what the total cost will be.The Breville Pro .I also purchased on your advice being the Touch was quit a bit more.Although it took me a while to dial in a good espresso after trying various burr settings .Right now the inner burr is set at 3..The results are very good indeed.Furthermore .Before I purchases the Breville Pro.I wanted the Dual Boiler.At the time it was a bit hard on my finances.So at any rate , if I would get the Dual boiler.I already will have an excellent grinder! Greetings: HR,
I want to order one, but 1) The Go Fund site states “Crowdfunding is not shopping. Your donation is a way to support a project but does not guarantee that you will receive a perk.” 2) There is no contact information. It seems unreasonable to spend over $600 for a device I might not get, and have no way to contact the company if anything goes wrong. Please respond!
@@artlm2002 I have one and the creator is exceptionally responsive through the crowd funding site itself. Also, units are now in production so if you buy one, you will get one. It's just a necessary statement given the site is not a formal retailer and when the product is still in development. I suppose at some point Niche will shift to a more formal site elsewhere. Hope this helps.
Well, sounds balanced to me, since I own a Niche Zero for two years now and I have not found a single thing to dislike about it. Damn, now that I see the unnecessary of the light, it annoys me, too. Seriously, after using it daily several times for two years, I cannot name ANY negative point that might need improvement except a bit of popcorning sometimes towards the end which prolonged the grinding by a few seconds.
Thank you for comparing the Breville and Niche. I have the Breville grinder and planning on upgrading to the Niche soon. I just upgraded espresso machines from the Breville Infuser to the Breville Dual Boiler, and I've been finding it harder to get consistent shots.
I have an SGP and a Ceado E5P. I bought the Ceado a few months ago to take the espresso from my La Pavoni to another level. I only have extensive experience with these 2 grinders. I also have an old La Pavoni Jolly grinder that needs new burrs. So I don't really use that one and can't comment on it's performance quality. Regardless, after a lot of informal testing, I personally see very little difference between the SPG and the Ceado. I may have just gotten lucky with my SPG because there seems to be very little lateral or vertical play (actually none) with the inner burr. Some SPGs, as reported and seen in other videos, have a lot of play. So, in my experience the Breville SPG can punch way above it's weight. I don't regret buying the Ceado, but it doesn't merit the extra cost over the SGP based on my taste tests. In build quality, of course,it is way superior to the SPG. Also, the SPG only retains 2 grams of grinds in the impeller chamber and the Ceado about 1 gram. I have custom 3d printed hoppers for both of these grinders and use them as single dosers. I also printed weights to help press the coffee beans down while grinding. While both grinders have some retention, they are consistent in what comes out. What I put in the hopper is what comes out. The Niche Zero does seem very attractive based on extremely low retention with the promise of very little transfer of old grinds. I would love to see the results of an actual blind taste test between the SPG and the Niche.
It hurt-- a lot-- to spend nearly $700 US (after shipping) for a grinder! Previously every grinder and brewer I owned was under $100. I quickly forgot the pain. The Niche Zero is amazing and is one of the few joys in my life about which I have zero regrets (pun intended). If I have any complaint, the "coarse" grind setting isn't even remotely "coarse" and this grinder is adequate at best for filter coffee. Every morning I grind 41g of beans to make 0.75L of coffee and the grind I settled on is way past the upper marked limits. I added my own marks at the location of the lid hinges and I usually end up halfway between the left hinge and the 0 mark of the next rotation. Even when I make a single Aeropress cup with a recipe that recommends a "fine" grind, I got the best results around 48, nearly the limit. Recently I finally caved and ordered an entry-level espresso machine (Breville Duo Temp Pro.) Can't wait for it to arrive and try it out with the Niche (although I was a bit peeved to learn in the meantime that the Breville's 54mm portafilter is too small for the Niche's 58mm cup.)
I went to considerable trouble to get my hands on a Niche grinder shortly after its release, based largely on James Hoffman's very positive review. I found it to be a perfectly serviceable machine capable of doing all that is claimed for it. I have not drunk the flat-versus-conical burr Kool-Aid and continue my standing offer of ten pounds of the coffee of choice for anyone who can tell, in a properly conducted double blind ABX test, the difference in shots made by both types of burrs at the p
You use the Specialita for drip? (Mochamaster)I thought it was primarily for expresso. What has been your experience? The Specialita is what I am amy at for my next step up in home expresso.
Agree, My breville is getting the axe in OCT when my Niche finally gets here. I actually liked my breville, but I am hoping the niche is a bit faster in my work flow and maybe a bit more consistent.
@@MDK-oq5vb Since that comment I received my grinder, and I find two major differences. 1 : you can grind way finer, which was a limitation for me on the breville, depending on the coffee used 2 : the taste. I think it's mostly because there is a lot less fines. It taste a lot more "clean" if that make sense
I love my Niche and won’t trade for anything except Monolith Max. Also I recommend smart plug to turn the power off and get rid of that annoying orange light
Hey guys I’m new to espresso But, niche uk web have it for $499 pound. But now US Dollars is high. I just order my white Niche Zero for $564 pound or $620 Dollars. Yup. Get one now if you been thinking about it. I’m still waiting for my classic pro Gaggia to come and my Baratza 270. Yes 270 sette I’d going back
The Niche is significantly more expensive than the breville, well at least in Australia. The SGP goes for about $250 where as the Niche goes for about $1,300.
I'm looking to replace my Rocket grinder with the Niche Zero. The Rocket is all over the place when it comes to consistency in weight and is very clumpy. Trying to 'dial in' a shot with this more expensive grinder is a nightmare. I hope the Niche solves my problems. The channeling and streaking I'm currently dealing with in my naked portafilter is unbelievable.
I wish I had the Niche Zero. Unfortunately for me I deemed it nutty to splurge on a prosumer level espresso machine for that reason alone. What mattered the most at the time was the convenience while still retaining the freedom to create and not least - value for my money. Breville (Sage) happened to have quite the irresistible combo, but the grinder is... well, it's not impossible as I may get lucky with the settings but it generally clumps up the grounds. Also it actually hogs a fair amount of them, so basically they're trapped somewhere in the grinder going stale until I grind some more. Then they end up in my cup by the time the next batch is grinding, and the circle continues until I decide to clean it the following week. Then when done, it eats up the grounds again etc.
I was actually really interested in the smart grinder pro and if they'd offered it in a bundle (with my espresso machine purchase) I would have went for it anyway but I wasn't throwing over $200 after taxes to the SGP when I could throw that at the Niche and have my end game grinder. Dealing with the grind retention, having to use the hopper and it really not doing very well with consistency as a single doser and the smaller range and less precise dialing in along with a somewhat serious clumping issue... Super happy with my choice. I have yet to WDT a single time and I have had no visible channeling Or disrupted pucks. They've all looked perfect once I got it dialed in which only took me 3 adjustments after starting at 18 and ending at 22. By the way this is my 1st set up I've ever owned
I've been looking for a grinder for sometime for my at home use and found reviews for this grinder more appealing. I wanted a grinder that was vers in grind size. Well if course I have many ways to prepare my coffee! But now that I know about this grinder I can finally say this is the one I want.
The dosing cup that comes with the niche is 58mm correct? So using the 54mm breville portafilter or any 54mm portafilter will not work. Would getting say a cream 54mm dosing cup work just fine instead of using the niche dosing cup?
Hi Lifestyle, great video and review! I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but I believe the better average for the deviations should be 0.1 g, instead of 0.01 g, by averaging the absolute value of each deviation. Still minimal though, and just a small point I noticed in the video, but I hope this helps! Keep on with the awesome reviews!
I think it depends on how you intend to use it, grind quality is relatively comparable. The Niche is great for home use due to the zero retention and single dosing setup. The Eureka may be better if you need to serve higher numbers of people regularly, due to its automated dosing and faster grinding
Did you compare this to the Sette 270 wi? I am between these two, leaning towards the Sette 270 wi. My rationale: if I am not going to change my beans and I drink enough that whatever is in the hopper will be done within 3 days, AND the need to dial-in every time I change beans anyways means I will likely not be switching frequently between beans, then don't see a reason to get a single-dose grinder. Especially since the 270 wi will weigh out the dose straight into the portafilter, reducing redundant movements (eliminating the need to weigh beans -> put into a grinder -> put dosing cup onto portafilter, etc). What are your thoughts on my rationale? I honestly cannot decide and would like your opinion (or the opinion of any of your knowledgeable viewers). Thanks so much.
I would probably still go with the Niche for the following reasons: 1) On the Sette 270wi you're paying for a lot of tech, and less money is going towards the actually grinding components. 2) The Sette is a VERY loud grinder (this is a non-issue for some people!) 3) I had some major static issues with the Sette I used, most likely caused by the very fast spinning burrs In the end, both very good grinders for the money, but those are my 2 cents! :)
The light stays on so you can tell if the machine is on at a glance. There is no need to have an indicator light to see if the machine is grinding because you can hear it when it's grinding.
It's quite enough so I assume maybe in a louder environment it might be smart to have an indicator light so you don't forget it on? I don't know but to have the light on continuously just because it's plugged in doesn't make any sense
Just got the niche zero yesterday. Looking to upgrade my style coffee away from Costco. Not sure to stay with medium roast or I need advice to subscribe with a ongoing order? Definitely willing to be pointed in a good or challenging direction.
By the way, up to now I am a fan of the Breville Smart Pro Grinder and Coffee Precision Maker. I’m ready to upgrade because I need to expand my horizons and appreciation of filtered coffee and simplicity of preparation of good roasted coffees
Interesting to hear that it uses the same burrs as the Mazzer Kony. Replacing those burrs won't be cheap. They come in at around US$170 here in NZ. I've got a very old Macap MX which I'm despairing of. Replaced the burrs a few months ago and already they taste like they are wearing out. So I'd be interested in hearing how well this grinder maintains the same level of flavour after a good 6 months of use. I imagine (hope) that its burrs last longer due to the lower grinding speed.
These Mazzer burrs are rated for 1600 pounds or 725kg. If they burrs are wearing in 6 months, you either go through a lot of coffee or something is the matter with the burrs. If the later, I suggest you contact Mazzer.
Hey, do you recommend the Niche Zero for espresso, pour over and cold brew? I want to purchase an all in one grinder. I am currently using the Breville Barista pro internal grinder which is sub par.
Niche Zero really isn’t great for pour over There’s really no such thing as the perfect “all around” grinder. Pour over benefits from lower fines, espresso needs some fines… can’t have both That being said, one of my favourite grinders right now is the Mahlkonig X54. Walks the fine line and does both quite nicely
Got the barista touch. Thinking about purchase a seperate grinder. Thinking about ; niche, the goat story arco ( there are no reviews yet) or the lagom mini. What are your thougts about this :) thanks again.
Absolutely! Most people just prefer the dosing-cup workflow, but it can go directly into a portafilter. Because of the space between the outlet and the body of the Niche, it won't be able to dispense into the center of a large V60 or pour over cone though
I’ve got both the grinder too!! Cant deny the Nichzero is better, cleaning is extremely easy!! Except the part where you have to calibrate all over again... tje calibration is the inly hassle!
Howdy! Just found your channel and think your videos are very informative, especially for the Express (I have an Infuser so the non-grinder info works the same!) I'm in the market to upgrade my current grinder, Bodum Bistro burr grinder, to get a dedicated espresso grinder (with the added bonus of a somewhat easy ability to switch between espresso and drip grinds). And I was curious if you had any thoughts on the Niche vs the Eureka Mignon Specialita. I plan on single dosing and want something that will last me a long time to be used with my Infuser currently and any upgraded machine in the future. Thanks!
Hi Jospeh, thanks for the kind words! If you are wanting to single dose, the Niche is really the better choice as the Specialita was not designed for that purpose. Good job in identifying that you should be upgrading your grinder first and then the machine second! You'll get better coffee using the Niche and an Infuser than the Bodum and a prosumer espresso machine.
Thanks for the review. I have the Sette 270 and I love it, but it's very loud and my family is always giving me a hard time about it. How would the Niche compare with the Sette? Thanks!
In terms of operating volume, these grinders are world's apart. I can comfortably hold a normal volume conversation right beside the Niche while it's running. The larger slower spinning burrs sound very different than the small high speed burrs in the Sette
I do plan to do a comparison video in the future! But from my experience with both, the Niche is far better in terms of grind quality and most noticeably noise level (the sette's are very loud)
Considering getting this to pair with my Dual Boiler (currently have a smart grinder which is ... ok). Would you recommend it with the wait and duties into Canada? Cross shopping with the specialita but I single dose so this seems to be better.
I’m looking at buying a Rocket Mozzafiato, which has a similar filling location to the Appartamento. Do you have problems filling yours with the cabinet clearance?
I use mine for two years now. Only one thing annoyed me a bit and that is that the black version, which would look nicer in my kitchen was presented about one day after I received my white one. How dare they to presening a nicer (IMHO) version!!! And that the silver ball at the grind size indicator was lost a few months ago. I filled the hole with some white paint and it looks nice again.
I just started using the Niche with my Breville Express today and when i grind with the Niche instead of Brevills, no espresso comes out of my machine at all.. do you think its grinding to fine?
It CAN grind fine enough for Turkish, but was not designed to do so. Grinding that fine repeatedly may cause undue stress to the burrs and motor. It was designed to run from Espresso to French Press with a little wiggle room on either end of the range.
Beautiful looking Grinder - Could you please tell me what size the Niche Zero Cannister is? I just wanted to know if it's 58mm? Fitting your machine's basket so nicely - Thanks for your time - Great vids btw ;)
Just to note Breville £195 Niche £499, so it has to be considered that the Niche is over double the price of the Breville and as such if it wasn't a significantly better machine then it would be a shock.
Very true! I suppose what I was getting at is that in the world of espresso grinders, both are (shockingly) considered "entry level" at their price points, but the Niche is far superior
@@LifestyleLab_ I realised that espresso as a hobby is not for the thin walleted when all of the advice is that the grinder is the magic key to unlocking the bean potential and £500+ is the price before you even look at the machine to brew your magic dust ! A well I will start cheap and enjoy the level changes on the journey (very similar to hi-fi as a hobby in that there are many changes to parts and their interaction that affect the end product....and many levels of spend)
@@Thetache Very well said ! We're also looking to start up some more Hi-Fi content on a separate channel in the future. Currently running B&W PM1s and PV1D off of a Peachtree Nova 150 and Bluesound Node 2i. Oddly similar hobbies in some abstract way, haha
Is this sponsored content? All the reviews on youtube about the Niche feel like commercials. So far it seems like the only USP the Niche has is its zero retention. Its neither the quietest, nor the cheapest, fastest, prettiest, most comfortable or with the most homogeneity in grind. But its really weird that you say it grinds like 1200$ grinder and then compare this 500$+ grinder to a 200$ grinder. Oddly enough a lot of reviewers of this grinder on youtube state that the conical burrs make the espresso taste fruitier than flat burrs. I find that to be a bold statement, reminding me of some audiophiles that claim they can hear the difference between high-end hifi audio cables.
I think that James Hoffman's review really hit the nail on the head, like you said, it's not as good as a $3000 grinder, but it also seems to literally do no wrong. As he said "it charmed him". Its nice to use, quiet, has a different look (personally I do think it's the best looking), grinds very well, has zero retention... and at the price point, it beats everything even close to it.... so that may be why every review ends up being glowingly positive
i think its kind of dumb that the compamy doesnt sent out free npc disk for those of us who supporting this kickstarter. the price is still the same but comes with a npc disk with new users.
durkadur27 this Niche Zero grinder is just....awesome. Such a pleasure to use, every time again. It is so versatile, but I only use it for my espresso drinks. It is quiet, well build, almost no retention, gives great taste out of your beans, great consistency and the process of single dosing and using the grind bin (which is high quality stainless steel 58mm) is just amazing. Love it. Although I have not owned other grinders, I am a recently born homebarista, I really don’t think that it gets any better than this. Nothing on my mind that would be tempted to even try another grinder. 😂 It just ticks all the boxes. That’s it. Follow me on Instagram: @homebarista4life
One of the weirdest applications of words that seems ubiquitous over the past several years is "workflow" in relation to people making coffee in their homes. I know Hoffman also says it a lot. People going to work have a workflow, maybe even a company app to help manage it. People making coffee at home are making coffee at home just with some steps. That ain't a "workflow." If it is a barista in a cafe, then yeah...
Never said they were the same price. I was simply making a pretty broad statement that for the size of the price gap, the performance gained is massive.
@@Taylor-xi2no yeah I get that. I haven't increases my home set up to above 1k cad yet (roughly...700usd rn). The bay made a price error on the Breville bambino plus down to 370 tax included so I got a home setup for the quaratine for sub 700cad. I'm not saying anything but just stating the price, I don't mind the comparison. I
This retention test is kind of useless, isn't it? If yout grinder has 18g retention you will get 18g every time, but the coffe from the previous beans.
Both under $1000. Yeah! Niche is $843 Canadian and the Breville is $250. Completely different price bracket. Comparing the two makes it sound like you are trying to push an agenda.
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Should have gotten a Bianca! Only kidding but nice video, I intend to be switching from my Sette 270wi to a Niche Zero sometime soon and weirdly enough the retractable cord is what just sold it for me. 😁
Will you do a review on the Rocket Appartamento next?
@@kieranmckenney4275 it's a great feature!
@@Maximilation it's coming up!
I actually really enjoyed how you used the smart grinder pro as a comparison. Considering most people will be upgrading from one it makes the most sense that you would use it as a benchmark.
I used a hand crank grinder for years. Wanted to start making espresso so needed a better grinder. Got this grinder it was not cheap but had good reviews. I liked the looks. Have had it for 9 months forgot about the price. This is a great low RPM conical burr grinder. The burrs are large high end quality fine grind is great for espresso shots
Also use it for pots of drip over. Fill the cup to little over half with beans added to hopper it's a full load. Like medium roast coffee. Drip over less fine grind also makes a good pot of coffee. I get the feeling made a good choice. May never need another grinder this is built to last many years. Breakdown to clean is easy. A strong quality build.
People should now that you can twist the ring with the chrome dot independently from grind adjustment. So once you reach the end of one side, you can spin the black ring around to the other side and still be able to use the markings as a guide
Hello There..
I just now bought the Niche Zero Grinder.I chose, the white one .as it contrast my Crimson blue Breville Pro. I have been watching your web site for some time now .
Your honest and detailed revue is a blessing in the sky.I noticed this morning the British £ dropped and I took advantage on that.However it isn't cheap ,because everything is pretty well geared to the US $.
It will be chipped 7 days from now.When the Niche will arrive,I'll let you know what the total cost will be.The Breville Pro .I also purchased on your advice being the Touch was quit a bit more.Although it took me a while to dial in a good espresso after trying various burr settings .Right now the inner burr is set at 3..The results are very good indeed.Furthermore .Before I purchases the Breville Pro.I wanted the Dual Boiler.At the time it was a bit hard on my finances.So at any rate , if I would get the Dual boiler.I already will have an excellent grinder! Greetings: HR,
Awesome video! Such a great and balanced review, we really appreciate it! ❤️
I want to order one, but 1) The Go Fund site states “Crowdfunding is not shopping. Your donation is a way to support a project but does not guarantee that you will receive a perk.” 2) There is no contact information. It seems unreasonable to spend over $600 for a device I might not get, and have no way to contact the company if anything goes wrong. Please respond!
@@artlm2002 I have one and the creator is exceptionally responsive through the crowd funding site itself. Also, units are now in production so if you buy one, you will get one. It's just a necessary statement given the site is not a formal retailer and when the product is still in development. I suppose at some point Niche will shift to a more formal site elsewhere. Hope this helps.
Balanced? The only thing he didnt like was the power led being constantly on.
Well, sounds balanced to me, since I own a Niche Zero for two years now and I have not found a single thing to dislike about it.
Damn, now that I see the unnecessary of the light, it annoys me, too.
Seriously, after using it daily several times for two years, I cannot name ANY negative point that might need improvement except a bit of popcorning sometimes towards the end which prolonged the grinding by a few seconds.
@@fr4nky4fingers This was an ad basically.
Thank you for comparing the Breville and Niche. I have the Breville grinder and planning on upgrading to the Niche soon. I just upgraded espresso machines from the Breville Infuser to the Breville Dual Boiler, and I've been finding it harder to get consistent shots.
I have an SGP and a Ceado E5P. I bought the Ceado a few months ago to take the espresso from my La Pavoni to another level. I only have extensive experience with these 2 grinders. I also have an old La Pavoni Jolly grinder that needs new burrs. So I don't really use that one and can't comment on it's performance quality. Regardless, after a lot of informal testing, I personally see very little difference between the SPG and the Ceado. I may have just gotten lucky with my SPG because there seems to be very little lateral or vertical play (actually none) with the inner burr. Some SPGs, as reported and seen in other videos, have a lot of play. So, in my experience the Breville SPG can punch way above it's weight. I don't regret buying the Ceado, but it doesn't merit the extra cost over the SGP based on my taste tests. In build quality, of course,it is way superior to the SPG. Also, the SPG only retains 2 grams of grinds in the impeller chamber and the Ceado about 1 gram. I have custom 3d printed hoppers for both of these grinders and use them as single dosers. I also printed weights to help press the coffee beans down while grinding. While both grinders have some retention, they are consistent in what comes out. What I put in the hopper is what comes out. The Niche Zero does seem very attractive based on extremely low retention with the promise of very little transfer of old grinds. I would love to see the results of an actual blind taste test between the SPG and the Niche.
I own a Niche and its great - a very flexible, kitchen-friendly grinder with no compromise on performance
It hurt-- a lot-- to spend nearly $700 US (after shipping) for a grinder! Previously every grinder and brewer I owned was under $100. I quickly forgot the pain. The Niche Zero is amazing and is one of the few joys in my life about which I have zero regrets (pun intended).
If I have any complaint, the "coarse" grind setting isn't even remotely "coarse" and this grinder is adequate at best for filter coffee. Every morning I grind 41g of beans to make 0.75L of coffee and the grind I settled on is way past the upper marked limits. I added my own marks at the location of the lid hinges and I usually end up halfway between the left hinge and the 0 mark of the next rotation. Even when I make a single Aeropress cup with a recipe that recommends a "fine" grind, I got the best results around 48, nearly the limit.
Recently I finally caved and ordered an entry-level espresso machine (Breville Duo Temp Pro.) Can't wait for it to arrive and try it out with the Niche (although I was a bit peeved to learn in the meantime that the Breville's 54mm portafilter is too small for the Niche's 58mm cup.)
In case you didn't know, to get to the coarse settings you have to turn the funnel a full turn.
But a dosing collar. They work well. But you can't tip the portafilter upside down with them tho, it makes a bit of a mess.
Had mine for about 18 months now. Perfect. I cannot fault this grinder.
Advantage no 4: Change different coffee brewing method any time from espresso to moka to filter coffee to french press etc...
I went to considerable trouble to get my hands on a Niche grinder shortly after its release, based largely on James Hoffman's very positive review. I found it to be a perfectly serviceable machine capable of doing all that is claimed for it.
I have not drunk the flat-versus-conical burr Kool-Aid and continue my standing offer of ten pounds of the coffee of choice for anyone who can tell, in a properly conducted double blind ABX test, the difference in shots made by both types of burrs at the p
You use the Specialita for drip? (Mochamaster)I thought it was primarily for expresso. What has been your experience? The Specialita is what I am amy at for my next step up in home expresso.
I've always loved the look of this unit, so unique
I'm super interested to see how the Breville and Niche compare when pulling a shot :-)
Agree, My breville is getting the axe in OCT when my Niche finally gets here. I actually liked my breville, but I am hoping the niche is a bit faster in my work flow and maybe a bit more consistent.
@@MDK-oq5vb Since that comment I received my grinder, and I find two major differences.
1 : you can grind way finer, which was a limitation for me on the breville, depending on the coffee used
2 : the taste. I think it's mostly because there is a lot less fines. It taste a lot more "clean" if that make sense
God this guy is peak informative, non-offensive good delivery.
yeah, a new favorite reviewer. No BS and actually say negative things. Very fair reviews.
I love my Niche and won’t trade for anything except Monolith Max. Also I recommend smart plug to turn the power off and get rid of that annoying orange light
Long N Or a piece of black electrical tape
my wall socket has a small switch on it. pressing it turns the power off to the grinder! no need for a smart plug surely.
@@adrianmichaelsmith Do you live in the UK? That's very uncommon in North America
@@NoZenith yes
@@adrianmichaelsmith I've watched a lot of international content 😆
Hey guys I’m new to espresso But, niche uk web have it for $499 pound. But now US Dollars is high. I just order my white Niche Zero for $564 pound or $620 Dollars. Yup. Get one now if you been thinking about it.
I’m still waiting for my classic pro Gaggia to come and my Baratza 270. Yes 270 sette I’d going back
The Niche is significantly more expensive than the breville, well at least in Australia. The SGP goes for about $250 where as the Niche goes for about $1,300.
I'm looking to replace my Rocket grinder with the Niche Zero. The Rocket is all over the place when it comes to consistency in weight and is very clumpy. Trying to 'dial in' a shot with this more expensive grinder is a nightmare. I hope the Niche solves my problems. The channeling and streaking I'm currently dealing with in my naked portafilter is unbelievable.
I wish I had the Niche Zero. Unfortunately for me I deemed it nutty to splurge on a prosumer level espresso machine for that reason alone. What mattered the most at the time was the convenience while still retaining the freedom to create and not least - value for my money. Breville (Sage) happened to have quite the irresistible combo, but the grinder is... well, it's not impossible as I may get lucky with the settings but it generally clumps up the grounds. Also it actually hogs a fair amount of them, so basically they're trapped somewhere in the grinder going stale until I grind some more. Then they end up in my cup by the time the next batch is grinding, and the circle continues until I decide to clean it the following week. Then when done, it eats up the grounds again etc.
Really useful to see the grind comparison between the niche and the breville!
I was actually really interested in the smart grinder pro and if they'd offered it in a bundle (with my espresso machine purchase) I would have went for it anyway but I wasn't throwing over $200 after taxes to the SGP when I could throw that at the Niche and have my end game grinder. Dealing with the grind retention, having to use the hopper and it really not doing very well with consistency as a single doser and the smaller range and less precise dialing in along with a somewhat serious clumping issue... Super happy with my choice. I have yet to WDT a single time and I have had no visible channeling Or disrupted pucks. They've all looked perfect once I got it dialed in which only took me 3 adjustments after starting at 18 and ending at 22. By the way this is my 1st set up I've ever owned
I've been looking for a grinder for sometime for my at home use and found reviews for this grinder more appealing. I wanted a grinder that was vers in grind size. Well if course I have many ways to prepare my coffee! But now that I know about this grinder I can finally say this is the one I want.
Your hair looks great!
The dosing cup that comes with the niche is 58mm correct? So using the 54mm breville portafilter or any 54mm portafilter will not work. Would getting say a cream 54mm dosing cup work just fine instead of using the niche dosing cup?
Yes, the crema dosing cup or dosing funnel would solve that problem :)
Hi Lifestyle, great video and review! I'm not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but I believe the better average for the deviations should be 0.1 g, instead of 0.01 g, by averaging the absolute value of each deviation. Still minimal though, and just a small point I noticed in the video, but I hope this helps! Keep on with the awesome reviews!
Holy smokes you're absolutely right! Not sure how nobody (including myself) noticed that before
Love my Niche! Use it every day and it never disappoints! If your thinking about buying one just do it you won't be disappointed!
Has anyone tried to add another hole to the flow control disc to try and speed up grinding
High quality as always!
Thanks for the review. Do you think niche zero is better than Eureka Mignon specialita grinder?
I think it depends on how you intend to use it, grind quality is relatively comparable. The Niche is great for home use due to the zero retention and single dosing setup. The Eureka may be better if you need to serve higher numbers of people regularly, due to its automated dosing and faster grinding
I’m currently using a Vario to grind for espresso. I wonder if the Niche is much of an upgrade from the Baratza Vario?
Did you compare this to the Sette 270 wi? I am between these two, leaning towards the Sette 270 wi. My rationale: if I am not going to change my beans and I drink enough that whatever is in the hopper will be done within 3 days, AND the need to dial-in every time I change beans anyways means I will likely not be switching frequently between beans, then don't see a reason to get a single-dose grinder. Especially since the 270 wi will weigh out the dose straight into the portafilter, reducing redundant movements (eliminating the need to weigh beans -> put into a grinder -> put dosing cup onto portafilter, etc). What are your thoughts on my rationale? I honestly cannot decide and would like your opinion (or the opinion of any of your knowledgeable viewers). Thanks so much.
I would probably still go with the Niche for the following reasons:
1) On the Sette 270wi you're paying for a lot of tech, and less money is going towards the actually grinding components.
2) The Sette is a VERY loud grinder (this is a non-issue for some people!)
3) I had some major static issues with the Sette I used, most likely caused by the very fast spinning burrs
In the end, both very good grinders for the money, but those are my 2 cents! :)
The light stays on so you can tell if the machine is on at a glance. There is no need to have an indicator light to see if the machine is grinding because you can hear it when it's grinding.
It's quite enough so I assume maybe in a louder environment it might be smart to have an indicator light so you don't forget it on? I don't know but to have the light on continuously just because it's plugged in doesn't make any sense
So where do you buy it? The link is like crowd funding
They still use the crowd funding site to accept orders for some reason, not sure why, but that's where you buy it :)
one of the most honest and informative reviews on the nz thank you! 😃
Glad it was helpful!
Hi! Did you get hit with custom ordering to Canada? 🇨🇦
05:33 The orange light is to inform did you switch on or off your power.
Unfortunately not!
It stays illuminated whenever the grinder is plugged in, regardless off whether the power switch is on or off
Just got the niche zero yesterday. Looking to upgrade my style coffee away from Costco. Not sure to stay with medium roast or I need advice to subscribe with a ongoing order? Definitely willing to be pointed in a good or challenging direction.
By the way, up to now I am a fan of the Breville Smart Pro Grinder and Coffee Precision Maker. I’m ready to upgrade because I need to expand my horizons and appreciation of filtered coffee and simplicity of preparation of good roasted coffees
Thank you man , I was considering this for about year and now after your review , I'm going to by it
Silly question (sorry!) - can you just grind straight into a portafilter?
Yes, but you’d need to hold it the whole time as there’s no portafilter forks
Another great quality video 😊 Love the look of this grinder. When will we see the Appartamento review?
Soon!
great Video !
We need a review for the apartmento too
Interesting to hear that it uses the same burrs as the Mazzer Kony. Replacing those burrs won't be cheap. They come in at around US$170 here in NZ. I've got a very old Macap MX which I'm despairing of. Replaced the burrs a few months ago and already they taste like they are wearing out. So I'd be interested in hearing how well this grinder maintains the same level of flavour after a good 6 months of use. I imagine (hope) that its burrs last longer due to the lower grinding speed.
These Mazzer burrs are rated for 1600 pounds or 725kg. If they burrs are wearing in 6 months, you either go through a lot of coffee or something is the matter with the burrs. If the later, I suggest you contact Mazzer.
While you buy a breville dual boiler in Australia, you have to buy the breville grinder in a combo generally. How annoying is that!
Very!
It's a quite an accomplished machine that, in my opinion, outperforms what the Smart Grinder Pro can output
How much did you pay to get this shipped to Canada? Others are saying $1200 which is a little ridiculous...
Hey, do you recommend the Niche Zero for espresso, pour over and cold brew?
I want to purchase an all in one grinder. I am currently using the Breville Barista pro internal grinder which is sub par.
Niche Zero really isn’t great for pour over
There’s really no such thing as the perfect “all around” grinder.
Pour over benefits from lower fines, espresso needs some fines… can’t have both
That being said, one of my favourite grinders right now is the Mahlkonig X54. Walks the fine line and does both quite nicely
Got the barista touch. Thinking about purchase a seperate grinder. Thinking about ; niche, the goat story arco ( there are no reviews yet) or the lagom mini. What are your thougts about this :) thanks again.
All good choices, the Niche will be the most robust out of those 3. Likely hall have similar flavour profiles to be honest
Curious, because it dispenses into a dosing cup could it directly dispense into a filter basket or a pre-wetted pourover cone?
Absolutely! Most people just prefer the dosing-cup workflow, but it can go directly into a portafilter.
Because of the space between the outlet and the body of the Niche, it won't be able to dispense into the center of a large V60 or pour over cone though
Curious whenever you do the comparison video against other grinders
I’ve got both the grinder too!! Cant deny the Nichzero is better, cleaning is extremely easy!! Except the part where you have to calibrate all over again... tje calibration is the inly hassle!
I'm puzzled by your comment on calibration. It takes about 1 minute!
Can you review kafatek grinders? If you get the chance to get one...
Howdy! Just found your channel and think your videos are very informative, especially for the Express (I have an Infuser so the non-grinder info works the same!) I'm in the market to upgrade my current grinder, Bodum Bistro burr grinder, to get a dedicated espresso grinder (with the added bonus of a somewhat easy ability to switch between espresso and drip grinds). And I was curious if you had any thoughts on the Niche vs the Eureka Mignon Specialita. I plan on single dosing and want something that will last me a long time to be used with my Infuser currently and any upgraded machine in the future. Thanks!
Hi Jospeh, thanks for the kind words!
If you are wanting to single dose, the Niche is really the better choice as the Specialita was not designed for that purpose. Good job in identifying that you should be upgrading your grinder first and then the machine second! You'll get better coffee using the Niche and an Infuser than the Bodum and a prosumer espresso machine.
@@LifestyleLab_ What about the flat burrs vs the conical burrs with respect to taste. Is there really a difference?
Brilliantly shot and narrated video, cheers
Thank you Adam!
The only gripe I have is when I go to put the coffee on the porterfilter, the coffee gets stuck in the silver cup. Is there a way to stop this?
A very light RDT can do wonders :)
great video mate - am certainly interested in getting a Niche
The only way to test retention is to clean the burrs completely between tests.
How much did this cost you total to get it shipped to Canada? I mean for import duties and customs.
Well I bought one and it was $105 extra.
Thanks for the review. I have the Sette 270 and I love it, but it's very loud and my family is always giving me a hard time about it. How would the Niche compare with the Sette? Thanks!
In terms of operating volume, these grinders are world's apart. I can comfortably hold a normal volume conversation right beside the Niche while it's running. The larger slower spinning burrs sound very different than the small high speed burrs in the Sette
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you! Do you think there is a difference in the cup between settle 270 and Niche?
@@AlexandruCapsa I have a Sette 270 as well. Did you purchase a Niche? Wondering if it's worth upgrading....
@@SteveSpeirs yes, I have the Niche. Worth every penny and then some.
How about the comparison of Baratza sette 270 vs Niche Zero? Are they similar?
I do plan to do a comparison video in the future! But from my experience with both, the Niche is far better in terms of grind quality and most noticeably noise level (the sette's are very loud)
Considering getting this to pair with my Dual Boiler (currently have a smart grinder which is ... ok).
Would you recommend it with the wait and duties into Canada? Cross shopping with the specialita but I single dose so this seems to be better.
It would be a great combo with the Dual Boiler. The convenience of single dosing really can't be overstated (in my opinion)
@@LifestyleLab_ ordered for April delivery ! 🤞🏽
Do you know in wich country its assembly?
I’m looking at buying a Rocket Mozzafiato, which has a similar filling location to the Appartamento. Do you have problems filling yours with the cabinet clearance?
Honestly, yes. I need to slide the machine forward each time I want to access the water reservoir because of where I have it placed under my cabinets
@@LifestyleLab_ I was afraid of that. Those are light machines either. Thanks.
I got my Breville Smart Grinder Pro for $250. Way cheaper than the Niche Zero. Where do you find the Breville for $1000?
Both are under $1000, not both cost $1000
I love the idea of the grinder if not for the price point.
Hi, In your opinion how does this compare to the Sette 270 please?
Other than grinding speed, the Niche is superior to the Sette.
The Niche has a better burr set, a better motor, and is MUCH quieter when running.
I use mine for two years now.
Only one thing annoyed me a bit and that is that the black version, which would look nicer in my kitchen was presented about one day after I received my white one. How dare they to presening a nicer (IMHO) version!!!
And that the silver ball at the grind size indicator was lost a few months ago. I filled the hole with some white paint and it looks nice again.
I just started using the Niche with my Breville Express today and when i grind with the Niche instead of Brevills, no espresso comes out of my machine at all.. do you think its grinding to fine?
Absolutely it’s grinding too fine :)
@@LifestyleLab_ You are awesome my friend!!
I was having a hard time setting it.
I get the Rocket Apartmento tomorrow i hope everthing goes smoothly
@andrewr3403 it will :)
How abt Wilfa uniform?
Is there any company in the US that sells this unit? It appears I have to buy and ship from the UK
No, they don't have any wholesale distributors unfortunately
Awesome video, thanks!
I am here just to learn why whis video was aggressively recommended to me even though I didn't watch or searched any related video.
Thank you so much!!!
Can this grinder go fine enough for Turkish?
It CAN grind fine enough for Turkish, but was not designed to do so. Grinding that fine repeatedly may cause undue stress to the burrs and motor. It was designed to run from Espresso to French Press with a little wiggle room on either end of the range.
If only it wasn't impossible to buy right now. I had to "sette" for a different grinder, if you know what I mean. I want this thing so bad.
It's a relatively small family run company, so that definitely has its pros and cons unfortunately.... the Sette is a great tide me over though!
@@LifestyleLab_ any idea at all when they will have more to order?
I don't think you'll see a huge difference in grind quality coming from the sette but the niche is a nicer quieter grinder.
alas they are no longer available for order.... I really wanted one.
Holy smokes! I'm sure they'll be back in stock soon!
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the reply. I hope so! not very many high quality zero retention espresso capable grinders at this price point.
Did you get a new espresso machine?
Yup! Recently picked up a Rocket Appartamento and the Breville Dual Boiler to accompany the Barista Express on my channel
@@LifestyleLab_ Nice buddy! Looking forward to review on the Rocket.
Can you tell the difference in espresso taste Rocket vs. Barista Express using Niche?
Awesome video man!
This channel is no longer the Breville channel lol. Great content. Keep it up. Enjoy your new equipment.
Still own the 2 Brevilles with more content to come! Certainly trying to branch out though, thanks!
good review, but viewers should always see your head.
Beautiful looking Grinder - Could you please tell me what size the Niche Zero Cannister is? I just wanted to know if it's 58mm? Fitting your machine's basket so nicely - Thanks for your time - Great vids btw ;)
It's designed to fit the inner diameter of a 58mm portafilter :)
Does it need to be cleaned?
Occasionally, as with any grinder :)
I've had my NZ for 6 months, and cleaning it is extremely easy. As is calibration and use.
Just to note Breville £195 Niche £499, so it has to be considered that the Niche is over double the price of the Breville and as such if it wasn't a significantly better machine then it would be a shock.
Very true!
I suppose what I was getting at is that in the world of espresso grinders, both are (shockingly) considered "entry level" at their price points, but the Niche is far superior
@@LifestyleLab_ I realised that espresso as a hobby is not for the thin walleted when all of the advice is that the grinder is the magic key to unlocking the bean potential and £500+ is the price before you even look at the machine to brew your magic dust ! A well I will start cheap and enjoy the level changes on the journey (very similar to hi-fi as a hobby in that there are many changes to parts and their interaction that affect the end product....and many levels of spend)
@@Thetache Very well said !
We're also looking to start up some more Hi-Fi content on a separate channel in the future. Currently running B&W PM1s and PV1D off of a Peachtree Nova 150 and Bluesound Node 2i. Oddly similar hobbies in some abstract way, haha
The orange light killed it for me.
Nice review though.
Nothing a small circle of electrical tape can't fix ;)
@@LifestyleLab_reasons to buy the Midnight version 😂
How easy is teardown for cleaning? Not that there's probably much to clean out... Lol
Good idea for a future video! Removing the upper burr for cleaning is very straightforward
Is this sponsored content? All the reviews on youtube about the Niche
feel like commercials. So far it seems like the only USP the Niche has
is its zero retention. Its neither the quietest, nor the cheapest,
fastest, prettiest, most comfortable or with the most homogeneity in
grind.
But its really weird that you say it grinds like 1200$ grinder and then compare this 500$+ grinder to a 200$ grinder. Oddly enough a lot of reviewers of this grinder on youtube state that the conical burrs make the espresso taste fruitier than flat burrs. I find that to be a bold statement, reminding me of some audiophiles that claim they can hear the difference between high-end hifi audio cables.
I think that James Hoffman's review really hit the nail on the head, like you said, it's not as good as a $3000 grinder, but it also seems to literally do no wrong. As he said "it charmed him". Its nice to use, quiet, has a different look (personally I do think it's the best looking), grinds very well, has zero retention... and at the price point, it beats everything even close to it.... so that may be why every review ends up being glowingly positive
Did you watch any of the reviews and actually listen to the points made?
Excellent review. I have one grinder as well and I really enjoyed the review
Love it! ❤️
Might not be a popular opinion but teh SPG grind looked better than the Niche in that shot other than the clumping.
i think its kind of dumb that the compamy doesnt sent out free npc disk for those of us who supporting this kickstarter. the price is still the same but comes with a npc disk with new users.
Did they remedy this? I saw in another video I saw quite some time ago that they were retroactively shipping them out to all purchasers?
I want one
How much are you getting paid for this?
Hi Ricardo, this was not a paid / sponsored video
I have a smart grinder
And i considering the niche :)
Hoping to see my white Niche Zero arriving soon...it’s been dispatched...😏
How do you like the Niche so far?
durkadur27 this Niche Zero grinder is just....awesome. Such a pleasure to use, every time again. It is so versatile, but I only use it for my espresso drinks. It is quiet, well build, almost no retention, gives great taste out of your beans, great consistency and the process of single dosing and using the grind bin (which is high quality stainless steel 58mm) is just amazing. Love it. Although I have not owned other grinders, I am a recently born homebarista, I really don’t think that it gets any better than this. Nothing on my mind that would be tempted to even try another grinder. 😂 It just ticks all the boxes. That’s it. Follow me on Instagram: @homebarista4life
@@MVM600RR everyone says the same thing XD. Which espresso machine do you have?
One of the weirdest applications of words that seems ubiquitous over the past several years is "workflow" in relation to people making coffee in their homes. I know Hoffman also says it a lot. People going to work have a workflow, maybe even a company app to help manage it. People making coffee at home are making coffee at home just with some steps. That ain't a "workflow." If it is a barista in a cafe, then yeah...
What an odd thing to try to contest… workflow is workflow, no matter the setting.
For someone like you I would have expected an Acaia scale... 😉
$300+ for scale is a bit of a stretch even in my eyes, haha
Lifestyle Lab Valid point! 😂
where is your head buddy??
In Canada the Breville is 250 tax included and niche is 973 sans duty
Never said they were the same price. I was simply making a pretty broad statement that for the size of the price gap, the performance gained is massive.
Grinders under $1000 are all pretty much grouped together as "entry level". $700 in the grand scheme of an entire espresso setup is nothing...
@@LifestyleLab_ yeah, never said you shouldn't compare, saw a comment about the pricing in Australia. Figured I'd put the Canadian pricing here too.
@@Taylor-xi2no yeah I get that. I haven't increases my home set up to above 1k cad yet (roughly...700usd rn). The bay made a price error on the Breville bambino plus down to 370 tax included so I got a home setup for the quaratine for sub 700cad. I'm not saying anything but just stating the price, I don't mind the comparison. I
@@MatterChannel Great job grabbing that deal on the Bambino!
This retention test is kind of useless, isn't it? If yout grinder has 18g retention you will get 18g every time, but the coffe from the previous beans.
Both under $1000. Yeah! Niche is $843 Canadian and the Breville is $250. Completely different price bracket. Comparing the two makes it sound like you are trying to push an agenda.
I was just comparing to the other conical I had in studio at the time?
Can't for the life of me figure out what agenda you'd be referring to...
....whether you’re grinding or not... WHYYY?!!! 😂