The difference in become Nahobino Tsukuyomi here is that Tsukuyomi does not become a "dominant" , so he maintains the main character's original form and personality, unlike Yuzuru Nahobino Tsukuyomi
Funny enough the bench segments with Koshimizu has him reveal that even if he’s dominant in Nahobino form, it’s the Knowledge who is the one that would operate the Throne and make it work. So he’d be doing whatever it is that Yuzuru wished for.
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Well that's not the case here. Unlike Aogami, Koshimizu can take some control over the Nahobino's body. We see this near the end where he makes gestures as he speaks through Nahobino. Either that or Aogami just lets the Nahobino do as he pleases in battle and only takes over when required
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Its also been stated in the Baal questline in the original that the Nahobino's Knowledge is malleable enough for him to use as Nahobino. This could mean that those with close enough attributes (its implied Susanoo has some connection to the Bull God, so Baal can use the protag as his host) or that those with close familial ties can use the same knowledge (the situation here). It could also be due to Koshimizu providing the template for Aogami's design and that they're both Proto-Fiends
@@FazPersona Did it at least make sense as to how he got to this point? Like in SMT IV and Strange Journey where both Law and Chaos reps were slowly radicalized?
@@Darth_Bateman Yuzuru was very, VERY atypical for a Chaos Hero in that he really just wanted ppl to make their own choices, humans, gods, and demons. He was on the extreme end of neutral that just tiled into chaos. Kinda like how, unlike Isabeau in IV was 'actually' pretty neutral about humans and demons, law and order, Yakumo was a revenge driven hypocrite who hated all those other powers 'tempting' humanity even though his most loyal follower and lover was a demon who he depended on to get as far as he did... Frankly, I'm just happy that Vengeance did a better job with the Chaos and Law routes by making the player achieve them the good old fashioned way. The downside is that, bc of the Canon of Creation's bullshit 'True Neutral' ending, which absolutely sucked, there is no proper neutral ending for the Canon of Vengeance; which sucks for a route advertised as an update to the vanilla game which still had endings for every alignment... I hate that 'either/or' bullshit they rammed down our throats.
Well, in Nasuverse, it is tied to a multitude of things, but it pretty much boils down to this statement, "Without the ability to enforce death upon something, you can not kill Tiamat. She could only die naturally because everything else on Earth is dead."
@@RegeneratioDeus So her immortality is tied to all other life on Earth and theoritically an anti-Planet NP can kill her, like maybe Ea. Well, I see how different this one is. Instead of tying into her nature as a Goddess of Life, it focuses more on her being the Mother of Dragons like in Final Fantasy or DnD. Essentially her identity as a Dragon God
@jackfdhunter7036 Gil was a massive factor, but King Hassan (Aka Gramps) was the carry since he put the concept of death unto her. Cause if he didn't, she would have survived it.
I wasn’t planning on getting the game since I played the og SMTV, so I thought it was fine to watch this cutscene. But after seeing how much they changed the story and how good it is, I’m completely sold now and I have to get it.
Yeah, to be honest, I never liked Dazai in the base game, and now it’s only become worse after seeing this. They made him an outright villain alongside Abdiel. I love how the protagonist truly formed a bond with Aogami that’s more obvious in this game and how he shows how he feels comforted by Aogami’s presence and is saddened by Aogami’s sacrifice. I can’t wait for my copy of the game to arrive tonight.
Atleast for Dazai’s character it makes more sense compared to the original. In vengeance he was influenced by the angels, Abidel and even manipulated by Mastema.
When I first saw the skills of Nabohino's new form, I deduced it would involve Tsukuyomi in some way. I expected Aogami to inherit his brother's abilities at some point but this isn't half bad as well. Just kinda disappointed we cant use the scythe weapon Tsukuyomi used in his original bossfight
I am hoping that we will find a way to revive Aogami. I mean I believe there is a way. I am fond of them both as individuals. I still cried while watching it
Love how in game we can see the mannerism difference between both forms too While fused with Aogami he swings his sword like it’s natural even in a cutscene MC got used to being fused with aogami that it’s second nature But while fused with koshimitzu he seemed more cautious about his new weapon not doing the usual shake of the wrist he always does in idle animation
Few weeks after finishing Canon of Vengeance (I already played Canon of Creation a year ago) I still think this is the best scene in the game, I really wish the new form wasn't the centerpiece of marketing because its very obvious its Tsukuyomi.
Considering the magical girl transformation with the moon god we have indeed become Femboy moon Edit: actually cried when Aogami died tho, he was kinda just… well, a part of my by then
The one thing that is confusing, though, is that I'm thinking that the Creator God, the Bull God, is Yahweh (AKA YHVH like, the god God). That was the impression, right? Basically, in the previous cycle (the previous iteration of Canon of Creation in the canon timeline), which was a very long time, we'll say about in-multiverse canon, it'd be more than 2000 years before Megami Tensei 1 (the one with Nakajima), like when the concept of a monotheistic religion and a single God actually became a doctrine in our real world. In the last cycle, Yahweh was an actual Nahobino who fought against Tiamat for the Throne of Creation and won. Either that's the story or Tiamat was in the cycle before, when Baal won the Throne of Creation. Or it could be the first-ever ruler of Da'at. The other question is, what do the events of SMT3 have to do with this? Was it a simulation that was brought forth by the Mandala System and because Lucifer found Naoki Kashima (the human Demi-fiend) could hold his Knowledge and demonic essence and was like, well, lemme make a Nahobino that I can use to fight YHVH for the Throne, and then he won due to that and events in SMT IV:A. I'm asking because of the Goddess of Canon, like how Tao is the Goddess of Creation who was meant to guide the Nahobino Susano-o to the Throne. Yoko is the Goddess of Vengeance, I guess meant to guide Tiamat to the Throne. Then, there's Yuko Takao, the Goddess (of Freedom? Reason? Chaos? True Demons?) who guided the Demi-fiend to defeat Kagutsuchi and destroy the world in the True Demon Ending, which is technically like attaining the Throne. Anyone asking how any of this makes sense to me, it doesn't.
Considering we only know of Three Gods who has sat upon the Throne, it’s possible a predecessor or even the first ever God to sit upon it was themselves a Horned God and struck Tiamat down.
Oh, and one more thing. If Aogami has died, then why not create custom animations and such for Tsukuyomi's form? Why go to the extra effort to make more unique skills for Susano-o's form? Pretty sure that almost means nothing's really changed, them getting killed probably gets reversed at some point, but that could also be copium.
Yes , YHVH is indeed also can be categorized Bull God or Horned God, because he has chaoskampf myth, the chaoskampf is base of Vengeance story . In the world there are many mythologies about the fight between gods and snakes which are the form of chaos, such as Baal vs Yam, Marduk vs Tiamat, Apollo vs Typhoon, Susanoo vs Yamata no Orochi and YHVH certainly has that when he fights Leviathan, The fight was later adapted by SMT into a class between horned god vs serpent chaos, Is YHVH a Nahobino? maybe yes, maybe not, but from my point of viewis no, YHVH is a direct corrupt avatar of the Great Will. who continues to commit atrocities through his omnipotence to defend his throne, in IVA we all know YHVH is defeated by observers/messiahs blessed by the Great Will namely Nanashi and also Flynn ,Nanashi and Flynn might be more accurately called Nahobino because they are humans who have knowledge of God. As we know, both Dagda and Krishna really want them to be in full control , And i think Vishnu Flynn can be count as Nahobino
Nocturne and even the Qadistu are and come from entirely separate universes. Samael summoned the later and Demifiend forced his way in to test the Nahobino In this continuity Tiamat was the first Goddess who Marduk killed, becoming the first supreme ruler. Than I believe Ra succeeded him, than Baal and eventually the God of Law took over and did his seperation of knowledge thing
Doesn't this contradict what the original game said of Nahobinos, where only specific human and demon can fuse into one as they are two halves of the same coin. Yet here the MC is able to fuse with Tsukyuomi without much extra effort.
Nope, og game also implied that he could fuse with tsukuyomi and by association odin/zeus (obvious reason being aogami is a clone/tsukuyomi brother) since they are "bull gods" with tsukuyomi treating it as a backup plan just in case aogami couldn't for any reason.
I was under the impression Bethel created the proto-fiends to function as a workaround. Remember it's implied Aogami is not Kei's Knowledge, but Amanozako is. Kei being the MC. Though it's possible Amanozako feels a connection seeing as Susano-o is literally her dad.
@@calebgoodman3028 Not quite. Amanozako originated from Susanoo and they continued that because she was put inside the remains of a Susanoo-Type Proto-Fiend. Those two elements are why she feels she’s his Knowledge due to family + using one of her fathers remains as a vessel.
@@calebgoodman3028 I also image that at some point Aogami and his brother will merge together to create a ultimate form for MC Nahobinos kind of like Seraph in DDS2
@@zaqareemalcolm Spoilers. I don't know but it's likely Kaneko. That's the art they're using for that one big poster and the design they used for a demon countdown thing. So likely Kaneko danger noodle Samael.
Honestly wished they had kept the long hair, it's pretty iconic to the MC's design at this point, plus sprinting through the Desolate Tokyo Naruto style just doesn't feel the same without that glorious mane flowing through the wind.
@@JCaesar71306 ehh I don't really think so its not like aogomi had long hair. Tsukuyomi and aogomis humanoid/proto fiend form look very identical, so I'm not sure where the long hair even came from in the original design. Plus I think the rest of his design changing, suite, white hair, purple motif, face visor already cements that point. So yeah keeping the long hair isn't a make or break because its nothing unique to aogomi to begin with.
Came across this vid days earlier and avoided it, glad I experienced this myself. Turns out yeah, I get why some comments dazai becomes more fucked than before. Thats just down right fucked up man. Our mc on the other hand after he lost his friends and aobro is not going to fuck around anymore. I love this character development being shown
Lowkey like Dazai being a villain more in CoV. Feel like the writers saw how over the top he was and decided to fully lean into it. I don't mind cuz I love villains of that archetype, and it makes kicking his shit in all the more satisfying
Man, just seeing cutscene with the cast compare to the og lack of them gonna be great. 5 was amazing in gameplay but hinder with the lack of character depth and story so glad there gonna be stuff for them
can you change the appearance of the nahobino for his new transformation or can you only use it when it is unlocked, until the end of the game and then you can't use it anymore? i already passed the story of revenge and i started playing the creation canon and i wanted to know if i could use that appearance, sorry for my english.
It’s a shame the quadistu just kinda die here it seems. I get that they serve their purpose but I don’t know wish they were more prevalent till the end cause they are easily they most interesting thing about Vengeance so far
Well, the party in that fight was only level 50. Normally, you'd want to be at least in the early 60s before you leave the Temple of Eternity to go the Empyrean.
Yeah that pissed me off too. It should have been given to us at the beginning of vengeance. I guess i'll just make a late game save that i load back to after i finish the game so i can just start from the most interesting section of the game.
do i have to align with bethel to get this? cause i want the new form but i don't think ive ever liked a law alignment. (I.E can i get the chaos ending and this form?)
At the beginning of Vengeance. You are offered to take someone's hand. Doing so will have you in Path of Vengeance. Not taking the hand will give you the original storyline which is referred to as Path of Creation.
It is a combination of port and sequel a la SMT4: Apocalypse. You can play the original story in Canon of Creation or the new one in Canon of Vengeance. You choose at the very beginning of the game
Showed up after playing this part after playing spoiler free. Just gotta say… this shit sucks, hate when games force you to fight a strong boss battle only for a scripted loss where you’re completely emasculated. You can’t make it feel like you won after a tough combat only to take it away in a cutscene, they should’ve just made it impossible to win or cut it off part-way, or at least if you lose it should just progress anyway, that kinda thing. Well, that’s the only problem I’ve had with the game thus far, so still really good.
So lore stuff spoiler and all Isn't we are the knowledge of susano-o suppose to be able to fuse with only susano-o? Or are we knowledge of amatsukami so we can in theroy fuse with all 3 god susano-o, Tsukuyomi, Amatarasu? Tsukuyomi said himself that because Atsuta die he can no longer become Nahobino but he use casually fuse with us. Or all the proto-fiend has this kind of power and able to fuse with anyone they deem worthy.
@@SuperDanMan11100 I kinda imagined that the protag could be named „Aoi Kamishiro”. It’d be a meaningful name based off the colors of his Nahobino form, and that he’s destined to become a new God-like figure
@@伊斯塔與艾蕾修卡都是 when yhwh corrupts into a demon in smt 4 apocalypse he gains horns,all angels created by him are a part of himself like avatars lucifer had horns also satan but the weird part is it seems he isn't only the bull he's also the snake, yhwh is a god who holds dominion over horns and scales,dragons and bulls this might mean the Mc is only one half of yhwh self in this interpretation his bull half.
@@justinorper6298 After doing some research,I do find several hypothesis in real world speculating that Yahweh was considered a storm and war deity when Ancient Hebrews were still polytheistic,some even theorized that Yahweh might be portrayed as a god with bovine traits at that time. So it would not be a stretch that YHVH in SMTV was also considered a Horned Deity. However,my main doubt on the Horned God mentioned by Lilith was YHVH,was that she said since the day Tiamat was cut down by a horned god,the throne had been ruled/usurped by “descendants of said horned god” for eons.However in CoC,we know that YHVH was the one who turned every Nahobinos into demons after defeating Baal and claiming the throne,until he too was vanquished by Lucifer. So he might not fit with the description of “The Ancestor of all horned gods”,Baal or some archetypical horned god/bull god that predates Yahweh/YHWH/YHVH might fit the description better I suppose.
We don’t know who. Especially as Baal is himself a Horned God who fought a snake and sat upon the Throne before YHVH did. For all we know it could be Marduk was one of the first.
Yeah it makes sense it was either Echidna or Tiamat, as both are refereed to as the Queen of monsters/demons in their respective mythologies. Could've even been Mem Aleph too.
I didnt like the OG because the open area was kind of dully paced and the story obviously dull, if anyone played the updated one can ya let me know if it improved that aspect
@@MILDMONSTER1234 thats what i was afraid of, i think I will skip for now one of the things i liked about nocturne and 4 was the atmosphere, V didn't do it for me in that regard, Thank you for the reply it was very helpful
....Welp. I'll take Code Vein over annoying long haired pretty boy any day. Gonna miss Aogami though. Dood was a good guy. Also, while I don't like how there's no real 'Neutral' ending for the Canon of Vengeance, I do really like that getting an alignment is actually based on what you decided to say/do throughout the game.... I still hate how I had to watch one of the girls die though... I really like Tao, but i can't wholly disagree with Yoko's issues either.... But, the upgrade to both Yuzuru and Tsukuyomi was awesome though, even if I had to watch him die...
I would have liked to see a moment where the Nahobino beats both Lilith and Mastema into submission as a way of saying something along the lines of "Screw both Law and Chaos, I'm doing this _my_ way."
@@AzureMoebius22 Agreed. I would've LOVED to beat them both! I'm honestly salty that we STILL couldn't save Sahori! And this tome was WORSE bc we actually almost 'did' save her!
@@LongTran-kp3kz It would have also been fun to see him beat the Qadistu into servitude, since you are able to summon them. I can just imagine thr Nahobino grinding the blades on his soles into each of their necks and making it clear they can either serve him or become the latest addition to the stains in his wake. I am wondering how Tao and Yoko would react to him taking matters into his own hands. Would they both try to fight him, or would they sit back and, as the people are saying today, 'let him cook'?
@@AzureMoebius22 Well, the Qadistu are presented as super OP that requires a group to take on, so I don't see the MC taking them on solo. As for the Yoko and Tao? Yoko would probably fight him but not Tao. She consistently has been shown that between allying and opposing us, she'll always pick giving up and letting us do our thing over fighting us. It's just not in her nature. And sadly, without us in the middle holding them together, I don't see Tao and Yoko working together. They want the same things, but they are two set in their ways to work together on their own. They REQUIRE a third party to keep them in check.
@@LongTran-kp3kz OK let me rephrase my question. Would either of them still aid the Nahobino in his goal even if the result isn't a world of chaos or order? That it's just him recreating the world without any gods or demons able to interfere with mortal affairs. I always headcanoned that in the true Neutral for base five, when the Nahobino recreates the world, he severs Da'at from the mortal world and becomes a sort of overseer for both worlds.
Altus why do all the movements and interactions look & feel like the video game version of bad photo shop, your a multi-million franchise owner you can do better
Love how in game we can see the mannerism difference between both forms too While fused with Aogami he swings his sword like it’s natural even in a cutscene MC got used to being fused with aogami that it’s second nature But while fused with koshimitzu he seemed more cautious about his new weapon not doing the usual shake of the wrist he always does in idle animation
One thing that makes me sad is that when the Nahobino finishes a fight, he looks at his hand for moment, knowing he's no longer fused with Aogami.
The difference in become Nahobino Tsukuyomi here is that Tsukuyomi does not become a "dominant" , so he maintains the main character's original form and personality, unlike Yuzuru Nahobino Tsukuyomi
Funny enough the bench segments with Koshimizu has him reveal that even if he’s dominant in Nahobino form, it’s the Knowledge who is the one that would operate the Throne and make it work. So he’d be doing whatever it is that Yuzuru wished for.
@@BlackfangDragonI think when it comes to those transformations the Demon and Knowledge are so in sync that it doesn’t really make a difference.
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Well that's not the case here. Unlike Aogami, Koshimizu can take some control over the Nahobino's body. We see this near the end where he makes gestures as he speaks through Nahobino. Either that or Aogami just lets the Nahobino do as he pleases in battle and only takes over when required
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Its also been stated in the Baal questline in the original that the Nahobino's Knowledge is malleable enough for him to use as Nahobino. This could mean that those with close enough attributes (its implied Susanoo has some connection to the Bull God, so Baal can use the protag as his host) or that those with close familial ties can use the same knowledge (the situation here). It could also be due to Koshimizu providing the template for Aogami's design and that they're both Proto-Fiends
@@jackfdhunter7036 you right, Susanoo is also Bull God, He is associated with the Gozu Tenno, and the iconography of the Gozu Tenno is the Bull (Ushi)
Like how Nahobino gets caught off guard with the curved energy blade
He's curved?...
@@KoreyVortex Look at the scythe hand he manifests when he first fuses with Koshimizu.
So Ichiro becoming an asshole is now part of Mastema's scheming
That actually makes more sense for sure
Classic Mastema.
First Zelenin now Dazai Mastema is up two for two.
The only time you trust him is only when you're using him in battle lol
Amazing. They managed to make Ichiro more of a dick in this game than he was in the original SMTV.
yes lmfaoo
@@FazPersona Did it at least make sense as to how he got to this point? Like in SMT IV and Strange Journey where both Law and Chaos reps were slowly radicalized?
@@Darth_BatemanWe see Mastema begin to enlighten him then it cuts away and the next time we see him is this scene.
@@Darth_Bateman Good ol Mastema doing Mastema things
@@Darth_Bateman
Yuzuru was very, VERY atypical for a Chaos Hero in that he really just wanted ppl to make their own choices, humans, gods, and demons. He was on the extreme end of neutral that just tiled into chaos.
Kinda like how, unlike Isabeau in IV was 'actually' pretty neutral about humans and demons, law and order, Yakumo was a revenge driven hypocrite who hated all those other powers 'tempting' humanity even though his most loyal follower and lover was a demon who he depended on to get as far as he did...
Frankly, I'm just happy that Vengeance did a better job with the Chaos and Law routes by making the player achieve them the good old fashioned way. The downside is that, bc of the Canon of Creation's bullshit 'True Neutral' ending, which absolutely sucked, there is no proper neutral ending for the Canon of Vengeance; which sucks for a route advertised as an update to the vanilla game which still had endings for every alignment... I hate that 'either/or' bullshit they rammed down our throats.
Tiamat is at it again somebody called Gramps
Yoooo, Nasuverse Fan? (And we do need Gramps. Tiamat is miffed again...)
@@RegeneratioDeus Unironically, this Tiamat is also nigh-unkillable. Is that like a lore thing?
Well, in Nasuverse, it is tied to a multitude of things, but it pretty much boils down to this statement, "Without the ability to enforce death upon something, you can not kill Tiamat. She could only die naturally because everything else on Earth is dead."
@@RegeneratioDeus So her immortality is tied to all other life on Earth and theoritically an anti-Planet NP can kill her, like maybe Ea. Well, I see how different this one is. Instead of tying into her nature as a Goddess of Life, it focuses more on her being the Mother of Dragons like in Final Fantasy or DnD. Essentially her identity as a Dragon God
@jackfdhunter7036 Gil was a massive factor, but King Hassan (Aka Gramps) was the carry since he put the concept of death unto her. Cause if he didn't, she would have survived it.
I wasn’t planning on getting the game since I played the og SMTV, so I thought it was fine to watch this cutscene. But after seeing how much they changed the story and how good it is, I’m completely sold now and I have to get it.
Yeah they definitely improved a lot on this, I love it
Improved the story by a little but nothing exciting
@therealjaystone2344 have you played it?, im in two minds of getting it after work
Just wait for sale?
@@takatsukisen2877 imma just wait for smt 6 ahahah
The biggest surprise in this entire clip is that the main protagonist actually makes facial expressions now
Even with the mask on, Naho showed more expression than he ever did. It’s amazing to watch!
Yeah, to be honest, I never liked Dazai in the base game, and now it’s only become worse after seeing this. They made him an outright villain alongside Abdiel. I love how the protagonist truly formed a bond with Aogami that’s more obvious in this game and how he shows how he feels comforted by Aogami’s presence and is saddened by Aogami’s sacrifice. I can’t wait for my copy of the game to arrive tonight.
Atleast for Dazai’s character it makes more sense compared to the original. In vengeance he was influenced by the angels, Abidel and even manipulated by Mastema.
@@Plotpurottoagreed CoC Dazai is the one who influence Abdiel to become nahobino.
I like they hard committed on dazai becoming law Vergil
When I first saw the skills of Nabohino's new form, I deduced it would involve Tsukuyomi in some way. I expected Aogami to inherit his brother's abilities at some point but this isn't half bad as well. Just kinda disappointed we cant use the scythe weapon Tsukuyomi used in his original bossfight
It was pretty obvious
@@Lonewulf321 Oh for context, I saw the skills before seeing this
Like a moonbeam... pale & fleeting //_-
I new that theory was correct so we fuse with Tsukuyomi thats why we have that new form
Loved the tsukuyomi theme in the original, the addition of it's motif into the new awakening was a brilliant design choice!
Someone better pick up that phone...
BECAUSE I FUCKING CALLED IT
I mean, I think most of us did.
i think so much of the design kind of points to it being Tsukoyomi that most people probably guessed it lol.
Guess that makes you “Cooler”.
@@Savagewolverjust ordered some Italian
What?
CUZ IT WAS NOTHIN BUT GARLIC
So there should be a new Game Over cutscene from this point onwards?
yes!
Awesome as hell you get all 4 of the sisters as fusion targets after this transformation and not after you beat the game.
Nahobino reminds me of Ultraman Hikari/Tsurugi when he pulls out his lightsaber
lowkey reminds me of megaman in the battle network series too
honestly now that you pointed it out, i can't unsee it
lilith is fine af
I got emotional watching it! It's the cool form too!
Same
I am hoping that we will find a way to revive Aogami. I mean I believe there is a way. I am fond of them both as individuals. I still cried while watching it
20:55 he did it he did the hat thing
Young man 😢
I love how it mirrors the original fusion scene with Aogami.
Love how in game we can see the mannerism difference between both forms too
While fused with Aogami he swings his sword like it’s natural even in a cutscene MC got used to being fused with aogami that it’s second nature
But while fused with koshimitzu he seemed more cautious about his new weapon not doing the usual shake of the wrist he always does in idle animation
Few weeks after finishing Canon of Vengeance (I already played Canon of Creation a year ago) I still think this is the best scene in the game, I really wish the new form wasn't the centerpiece of marketing because its very obvious its Tsukuyomi.
Considering the magical girl transformation with the moon god we have indeed become Femboy moon
Edit: actually cried when Aogami died tho, he was kinda just… well, a part of my by then
The one thing that is confusing, though, is that I'm thinking that the Creator God, the Bull God, is Yahweh (AKA YHVH like, the god God). That was the impression, right?
Basically, in the previous cycle (the previous iteration of Canon of Creation in the canon timeline), which was a very long time, we'll say about in-multiverse canon, it'd be more than 2000 years before Megami Tensei 1 (the one with Nakajima), like when the concept of a monotheistic religion and a single God actually became a doctrine in our real world. In the last cycle, Yahweh was an actual Nahobino who fought against Tiamat for the Throne of Creation and won.
Either that's the story or Tiamat was in the cycle before, when Baal won the Throne of Creation. Or it could be the first-ever ruler of Da'at.
The other question is, what do the events of SMT3 have to do with this? Was it a simulation that was brought forth by the Mandala System and because Lucifer found Naoki Kashima (the human Demi-fiend) could hold his Knowledge and demonic essence and was like, well, lemme make a Nahobino that I can use to fight YHVH for the Throne, and then he won due to that and events in SMT IV:A.
I'm asking because of the Goddess of Canon, like how Tao is the Goddess of Creation who was meant to guide the Nahobino Susano-o to the Throne. Yoko is the Goddess of Vengeance, I guess meant to guide Tiamat to the Throne. Then, there's Yuko Takao, the Goddess (of Freedom? Reason? Chaos? True Demons?) who guided the Demi-fiend to defeat Kagutsuchi and destroy the world in the True Demon Ending, which is technically like attaining the Throne.
Anyone asking how any of this makes sense to me, it doesn't.
As in real world myth,Tiamat was defeated by Marduk,so I guess the event happened during Baal’s rise of power.
Considering we only know of Three Gods who has sat upon the Throne, it’s possible a predecessor or even the first ever God to sit upon it was themselves a Horned God and struck Tiamat down.
Oh, and one more thing. If Aogami has died, then why not create custom animations and such for Tsukuyomi's form? Why go to the extra effort to make more unique skills for Susano-o's form? Pretty sure that almost means nothing's really changed, them getting killed probably gets reversed at some point, but that could also be copium.
Yes , YHVH is indeed also can be categorized Bull God or Horned God, because he has chaoskampf myth, the chaoskampf is base of Vengeance story . In the world there are many mythologies about the fight between gods and snakes which are the form of chaos, such as Baal vs Yam, Marduk vs Tiamat, Apollo vs Typhoon, Susanoo vs Yamata no Orochi and YHVH certainly has that when he fights Leviathan, The fight was later adapted by SMT into a class between horned god vs serpent chaos, Is YHVH a Nahobino? maybe yes, maybe not, but from my point of viewis no, YHVH is a direct corrupt avatar of the Great Will. who continues to commit atrocities through his omnipotence to defend his throne, in IVA we all know YHVH is defeated by observers/messiahs blessed by the Great Will namely Nanashi and also Flynn ,Nanashi and Flynn might be more accurately called Nahobino because they are humans who have knowledge of God. As we know, both Dagda and Krishna really want them to be in full control , And i think Vishnu Flynn can be count as Nahobino
Nocturne and even the Qadistu are and come from entirely separate universes. Samael summoned the later and Demifiend forced his way in to test the Nahobino
In this continuity Tiamat was the first Goddess who Marduk killed, becoming the first supreme ruler. Than I believe Ra succeeded him, than Baal and eventually the God of Law took over and did his seperation of knowledge thing
Doesn't this contradict what the original game said of Nahobinos, where only specific human and demon can fuse into one as they are two halves of the same coin. Yet here the MC is able to fuse with Tsukyuomi without much extra effort.
Nope, og game also implied that he could fuse with tsukuyomi and by association odin/zeus (obvious reason being aogami is a clone/tsukuyomi brother) since they are "bull gods" with tsukuyomi treating it as a backup plan just in case aogami couldn't for any reason.
I was under the impression Bethel created the proto-fiends to function as a workaround. Remember it's implied Aogami is not Kei's Knowledge, but Amanozako is. Kei being the MC. Though it's possible Amanozako feels a connection seeing as Susano-o is literally her dad.
@@calebgoodman3028 Not quite. Amanozako originated from Susanoo and they continued that because she was put inside the remains of a Susanoo-Type Proto-Fiend. Those two elements are why she feels she’s his Knowledge due to family + using one of her fathers remains as a vessel.
@@calebgoodman3028 I also image that at some point Aogami and his brother will merge together to create a ultimate form for MC Nahobinos kind of like Seraph in DDS2
@calebgoodman3208 I played the original game... Where and when the he'll was Amanozako implied to be the MCs knowledge?
Ichiro you're just asking to get your ass kicked
As soon as a saw the trailer that had the tsukuyomi form i saw the similarities and knew what was gonna happen so glad I got that one right
Wow, i am so glad I bought this, this game actually made me feel something for Aogami.
Protagonist’s Tsukuyomi form looks badass.
And now he's a power ranger. Most excellent
Tiamat Confirmed?
No Samael
Spoilers below.
Samael is in the game but he's a late game side quest boss.
@@DMSwordsmaster qn for spoiler
is it kaneko samael or did doi redesign him?
@@zaqareemalcolm Spoilers.
I don't know but it's likely Kaneko. That's the art they're using for that one big poster and the design they used for a demon countdown thing. So likely Kaneko danger noodle Samael.
@@DMSwordsmaster 0_O
@@zaqareemalcolm Spoilers below
Leaked image shows It's the Kaneko design
In before, they release another SMTV and this time it's Amaterasu's turn
Im down with that 😂
"Power of the moon, to me!"
Could you make a video showcasing all the new Nahobino exclusive skills?
I got u. Will be up in like 9-10 hours
Honestly wished they had kept the long hair, it's pretty iconic to the MC's design at this point, plus sprinting through the Desolate Tokyo Naruto style just doesn't feel the same without that glorious mane flowing through the wind.
Agreed. That's why I prefer OG Nahobino
Almost like the whole point is that losing Aogami was like losing a part of himself...
@@JCaesar71306 ......And whose talking about that?
Lol his long hair isn't the end all in regard to that point.
@@Wintermute-- he loses his hair, a major part of his design, to symbolize how losing aogami was like losing a piece of himself.
@@JCaesar71306 ehh I don't really think so its not like aogomi had long hair. Tsukuyomi and aogomis humanoid/proto fiend form look very identical, so I'm not sure where the long hair even came from in the original design. Plus I think the rest of his design changing, suite, white hair, purple motif, face visor already cements that point. So yeah keeping the long hair isn't a make or break because its nothing unique to aogomi to begin with.
Came across this vid days earlier and avoided it, glad I experienced this myself. Turns out yeah, I get why some comments dazai becomes more fucked than before. Thats just down right fucked up man. Our mc on the other hand after he lost his friends and aobro is not going to fuck around anymore. I love this character development being shown
Lowkey like Dazai being a villain more in CoV. Feel like the writers saw how over the top he was and decided to fully lean into it. I don't mind cuz I love villains of that archetype, and it makes kicking his shit in all the more satisfying
My jaw dropped when they said "together, we are the Smt V Vengeance" and vengeance'd all over the place.
Will you be uploading the new endings soon by any chance?
There’s just one new ending, the Vengeance ending is on a set path that can’t change, it’ll be the same ending every time.
Actually im wrong, there is a second Vengeance ending but it depends on what dialog choices you choose, either top or bottom
Man, just seeing cutscene with the cast compare to the og lack of them gonna be great. 5 was amazing in gameplay but hinder with the lack of character depth and story so glad there gonna be stuff for them
Tsukuyomi/Koshimizu may not be perfect, but this is how most of the world's politicians should aspire to be.
Too bad there seems to be missing voice lines, weird that they didn’t record any for scenes….
Localization issues, probably. The lines and lip movements are perfectly in sync with the original Japanese audio.
Reminds me a bit of SMT IV:A Dagda in Bonds route
When he hits you with the young man 🗣️🗣️🗣️🥶🥶🥶
@@Mohgenstein more like you're part of the problem
Okay let's dance!
How about fuse with Amanozako
can you change the appearance of the nahobino for his new transformation or can you only use it when it is unlocked, until the end of the game and then you can't use it anymore? i already passed the story of revenge and i started playing the creation canon and i wanted to know if i could use that appearance, sorry for my english.
It’s a shame the quadistu just kinda die here it seems. I get that they serve their purpose but I don’t know wish they were more prevalent till the end cause they are easily they most interesting thing about Vengeance so far
SMT Tokyo Revelation OVA, but instead of furries its women
Man, I never imagined they could make Lilith EVEN MORE OF A BADASS than she already were! Qadistu for life!!!!
I like the new getup but kinda miss the lightsaber
How many new routes are in the game? Does this only happen in the chaos route for Vengeance or what?
Vengeance only regardless of alignment
Obviously you're still working on everything, but I hope you upload a video showing off all the Magatsuhi skills
Susano-o, Tsukuyomi..........but where is Amaterasu?
Tao is all but named Amaterasu where I really don't know why she isn't named Ameterasu
@@CursedShinobiClownprobably not, Tao's last name is referencing a shrine that among other things houses a sword said to belong to Susano-o
There’s a new side quest that says Tao so a sort psuedo proto fiend of Amaterasu
damn lilith design is hot
So we get a new form right before the game ends? That... sucks
Is there a way for Yuzuru to not be killed by Ichiro here? Some prerequisite or path?
They need an excuse to demonize Law and Abrahamic mythology.
@@onetruesavior69 lol you said this on multiple videos get over it
No lol
For a second I thought the thumbnail was Zentreya's new model.
give it time im sure shell get a new model based off naho
Can Nahobino's appearance be changed to Tsukuyomi's new form in New Game+?
So the new form really does come near the end of the game where we don't have much time left to actually use it.
Well, the party in that fight was only level 50. Normally, you'd want to be at least in the early 60s before you leave the Temple of Eternity to go the Empyrean.
There's still Taito, ToE, Shakan... Plenty of time to use it.
Yeah that pissed me off too. It should have been given to us at the beginning of vengeance. I guess i'll just make a late game save that i load back to after i finish the game so i can just start from the most interesting section of the game.
There’s two dungeons and the biggest area left to use it 💀
do i have to align with bethel to get this? cause i want the new form but i don't think ive ever liked a law alignment. (I.E can i get the chaos ending and this form?)
This happens regardless.
Allegedly if you do the chaos ending you keep this form in the final boss but I can’t confirm that yet
@@thatrandomgamer6278 oh pog thanks
@MILDMONSTER1234 no you don't get to, Aogami comes back regardless of if you side with Yoko or Tao
I have a question I didn’t finish shin megami V is this like dlc and if so does this correlate to the main story
At the beginning of Vengeance. You are offered to take someone's hand. Doing so will have you in Path of Vengeance. Not taking the hand will give you the original storyline which is referred to as Path of Creation.
@@doodlebugfour7070 thanks 🙏
It's an new alternate storyline from Vengeance
It is a combination of port and sequel a la SMT4: Apocalypse. You can play the original story in Canon of Creation or the new one in Canon of Vengeance. You choose at the very beginning of the game
Showed up after playing this part after playing spoiler free. Just gotta say… this shit sucks, hate when games force you to fight a strong boss battle only for a scripted loss where you’re completely emasculated. You can’t make it feel like you won after a tough combat only to take it away in a cutscene, they should’ve just made it impossible to win or cut it off part-way, or at least if you lose it should just progress anyway, that kinda thing. Well, that’s the only problem I’ve had with the game thus far, so still really good.
bro the protag is a femboy fuck you talkin bout emasculated
I hope Tsukuyomi has cool as skills.
So lore stuff spoiler and all
Isn't we are the knowledge of susano-o suppose to be able to fuse with only susano-o?
Or are we knowledge of amatsukami so we can in theroy fuse with all 3 god susano-o, Tsukuyomi, Amatarasu?
Tsukuyomi said himself that because Atsuta die he can no longer become Nahobino but he use casually fuse with us.
Or all the proto-fiend has this kind of power and able to fuse with anyone they deem worthy.
They could fuse but have no right to inherit the throne.
So does Aogami return on any of the new routes? 😢
SPOILERS
yes, he does!
@@FazPersona Oh, thank God yes! 🥹Any prerequisites or do I just go with a specific alignment?
SPOILERS
I'm at the final boss, but my friend told me that he returns in both new routes
@@FazPersona Who's the final boss?
I like the new form better.
I love how they reference the handshake from the beginning 3 different times here protag and aogami yuzuru and dazai and tsukuomi and protag
Not really. The scene of Yuzuru reaching out to Dazai is a reference to when Dazai extended his hand to yuzuru in friendship earlier.
How many hours did it take to get to this point??
35
How to change the appearance nahobino in new game+?
Okay if anybody is a Powerscaler in this comment I have a question where does this transformation scale Nahobino
Roughly how many hours far into the game is this?
Third area in the new canon.
so gods and demons are biometals
i really appreciate the vids u post but i must unsub to prevent some spoilers i will sub again after i finish the game thanks. sry 4 the poor garmmar.
What is the protagonist's full name?
Not sure they have one.
Kei amamura. I found it on Twitter when someone mod the file.
Faz actually posted about somebody finding at least a placeholder in the original. Apparently, the name is Kei Amemura.
@@SuperDanMan11100 I kinda imagined that the protag could be named „Aoi Kamishiro”. It’d be a meaningful name based off the colors of his Nahobino form, and that he’s destined to become a new God-like figure
Does this form carry over in new game plus?
yes
Thank you!
No it doesn't, at the end of the game you fuse back with Aogami, idk where the other commenter got the idea that you could from
So......I guess the horned god referred in the scene was Marduk ?
Not it's YHVH
@@arael3702But it was Marduk who slayed Tiamat in Enuma Elish.
So in that case,does that mean YHWH in this continuity was considered a horned god ?
@@伊斯塔與艾蕾修卡都是 when yhwh corrupts into a demon in smt 4 apocalypse he gains horns,all angels created by him are a part of himself like avatars lucifer had horns also satan but the weird part is it seems he isn't only the bull he's also the snake, yhwh is a god who holds dominion over horns and scales,dragons and bulls this might mean the Mc is only one half of yhwh self in this interpretation his bull half.
@@justinorper6298
After doing some research,I do find several hypothesis in real world speculating that Yahweh was considered a storm and war deity when Ancient Hebrews were still polytheistic,some even theorized that Yahweh might be portrayed as a god with bovine traits at that time. So it would not be a stretch that YHVH in SMTV was also considered a Horned Deity. However,my main doubt on the Horned God mentioned by Lilith was YHVH,was that she said since the day Tiamat was cut down by a horned god,the throne had been ruled/usurped by “descendants of said horned god” for eons.However in CoC,we know that YHVH was the one who turned every Nahobinos into demons after defeating Baal and claiming the throne,until he too was vanquished by Lucifer. So he might not fit with the description of “The Ancestor of all horned gods”,Baal or some archetypical horned god/bull god that predates Yahweh/YHWH/YHVH might fit the description better I suppose.
We don’t know who. Especially as Baal is himself a Horned God who fought a snake and sat upon the Throne before YHVH did. For all we know it could be Marduk was one of the first.
ICHIRO DAZAAAAAI YO AZZ SHALLL DIEEEEEEE
There's another form then? Since you fused with both yhe bothers what about the sister.
So many people die at this one point in the game its hard to keep up with it
Can we get the old form back sometime in the route?
spoilers
yes
@@FazPersona good to hear that. The luscious blue hair just looks more "godly" and elegant to me. New form looks kinda... meh
@@akinorigou551I would kind of say that it's ugly
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Is it tiamat? Lmfao called it
Yeah it makes sense it was either Echidna or Tiamat, as both are refereed to as the Queen of monsters/demons in their respective mythologies.
Could've even been Mem Aleph too.
I didnt like the OG because the open area was kind of dully paced and the story obviously dull, if anyone played the updated one can ya let me know if it improved that aspect
Stories a bit better and there’s some cool new locations but a lot of the open world is the same
@@MILDMONSTER1234 thats what i was afraid of, i think I will skip for now one of the things i liked about nocturne and 4 was the atmosphere, V didn't do it for me in that regard,
Thank you for the reply it was very helpful
So in the dlc they actuly try to add some story bits, wow.
That's cuz it's not a DLC, it's a completely new story.
how are you able to play the game?
He got a physical copy early
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....Welp. I'll take Code Vein over annoying long haired pretty boy any day. Gonna miss Aogami though. Dood was a good guy.
Also, while I don't like how there's no real 'Neutral' ending for the Canon of Vengeance, I do really like that getting an alignment is actually based on what you decided to say/do throughout the game.... I still hate how I had to watch one of the girls die though... I really like Tao, but i can't wholly disagree with Yoko's issues either....
But, the upgrade to both Yuzuru and Tsukuyomi was awesome though, even if I had to watch him die...
I would have liked to see a moment where the Nahobino beats both Lilith and Mastema into submission as a way of saying something along the lines of "Screw both Law and Chaos, I'm doing this _my_ way."
@@AzureMoebius22
Agreed.
I would've LOVED to beat them both!
I'm honestly salty that we STILL couldn't save Sahori!
And this tome was WORSE bc we actually almost 'did' save her!
@@LongTran-kp3kz It would have also been fun to see him beat the Qadistu into servitude, since you are able to summon them. I can just imagine thr Nahobino grinding the blades on his soles into each of their necks and making it clear they can either serve him or become the latest addition to the stains in his wake.
I am wondering how Tao and Yoko would react to him taking matters into his own hands. Would they both try to fight him, or would they sit back and, as the people are saying today, 'let him cook'?
@@AzureMoebius22
Well, the Qadistu are presented as super OP that requires a group to take on, so I don't see the MC taking them on solo.
As for the Yoko and Tao?
Yoko would probably fight him but not Tao. She consistently has been shown that between allying and opposing us, she'll always pick giving up and letting us do our thing over fighting us. It's just not in her nature.
And sadly, without us in the middle holding them together, I don't see Tao and Yoko working together. They want the same things, but they are two set in their ways to work together on their own.
They REQUIRE a third party to keep them in check.
@@LongTran-kp3kz OK let me rephrase my question. Would either of them still aid the Nahobino in his goal even if the result isn't a world of chaos or order? That it's just him recreating the world without any gods or demons able to interfere with mortal affairs.
I always headcanoned that in the true Neutral for base five, when the Nahobino recreates the world, he severs Da'at from the mortal world and becomes a sort of overseer for both worlds.
Altus why do all the movements and interactions look & feel like the video game version of bad photo shop, your a multi-million franchise owner you can do better
Lol, cut them some slack, that company had their first profit ever last year
Love how in game we can see the mannerism difference between both forms too
While fused with Aogami he swings his sword like it’s natural even in a cutscene MC got used to being fused with aogami that it’s second nature
But while fused with koshimitzu he seemed more cautious about his new weapon not doing the usual shake of the wrist he always does in idle animation
WHAT A BADASS SCENE BEST FORM!
27:47 thank you 😡🙂
Does the “media kid” keep that attitude in the “non vengeance” play through because I don’t recall him being quite that nasty in the original release.
There is my boy pyro jack!
Can the new form be kept permanently in new game +? And how?