Fantastic! I thought the r hop material had to be some sort of tubing, just didn't know what. Now I don't have to pay $15 for 3 tiny patches that I'll probably mess up trying to get right anyhow. Also a very clever way to size and cut the material.
They seem to not have ANY barrels in stock anymore at the clandestineairsoft.com link you gave. Where can you get good cheap stainless steel barrels, do you know?
I would like to ask if someone can confirm which tubbing part on McMaster shop is required? 51135K171 ? Is that the most suited tubing? Also,don't know if McMaster ships overseas.
I bought the tubing linked, and it’s WAY too thick. The inner diameter is too small, though the outer is pretty good. I’ve spent hours and hours sanding, I’ve tried a dozen times, and I cannot get it so the bb will roll through the barrel with bucking installed. If I’m doing something wrong, please help! But if not, I highly recommend finding a thinner tube.
Hello, I will ask about your barrel. Can you tell something about it? It is looking pretty good and it is cheap. Have you got any videos where you are using it?
BetPay I can vouch for ZCI and their barrels. They are better made than the Madbull ones (although both are good options), and are very durable. Lapping and R-hopping these ZCI barrels is no different than that of a Prometheus or PDI.
Hey Brain, what do you think about flat hopping? I've been contemplating it for quite a while, but I was still not too sure if it's worth doing. I've heard of various methods of doing so for the nub, including homemade eraser nub, the Firefly Namazu nub, the Maple Leaf RTX concave nub, the Modify flat nub, and that's about it :P . I would not feel comfortable doing the mod with an eraser nub, since it requires you to sand off the nub holder on the hop up arm, and I don't think I could do that very well without a dremel. I also wouldn't really wanna go with the Firefly nub since it's $17 and out of stock in Amped Airsoft. I'd be down to go with any other nub mentioned above, if they were to yield good flat hopping results. I already have good air seal and a 6.03 inner barrel, do you think any of these pre made flat nubs would give better results than just a normal bucking and nub combo, such as the G&G Green bucking I currently have? Or should I just stick with regular bucking & nub combos?..If I were to flat hop, I would use a good bucking such as another G&G or Lonex 70d. Thanks for reading this and I'd appreciate any help or info.
+Sebashbag Miller I've done a few flathops using both the eraser method and the Amped Airsoft flat nub. It's a lot easier to get right but some hopup units, like my AUG, the arm comes loose during play negating the hop effect because with a flathop you are pulling/pushing on the bucking so much it's starting to push back. I have never done a proper reg vs flat vs Rhop comparison so it's all perceived results. If you are happy with your gun as is don't mess with it.
Oh and one more question..I have heard of people gluing their flat nubs to the arm's nub holder instead of sanding it so that the nub doesn't move..What do you think about this? Would that be a good option, or is the nub supposed to be able to move for balance distribution (or something like that lol)
I have seen alot of r-hop videos comparing range and accuracy of the r-hop versus some standard hop unit and bucking. But I currently have a retro arms hop unit, with madbull 6.03 inner barrel and a prommy purple bucking and nub. Would I see any performance gain in range and accuracy with an r-hop or even flat hop compared to this set up, and if so why?
The reason would be is the patch would make more contact with the BB this would give it more spin and make it more consistent every time but it's easy to screw up.
when you say metal rod as close to 6mm as possible my mind immediately went to the back end of a 6mm drill bit... you can get cheap chinesium drillbits for like 1 dollar a piece, take off the cutting edges at the front end and use it instead. or use a 5.5mm drill bit and wrap painters tape around it once, then you can use a regular ballpoint pen to give a more fine/accurate line of the window.
Yes you still need the bucking it keeps the Rhop patch from falling out, adds thickness to the back of the barrel so it fits into the hopup unit properly and seals the air in for good compression, you do have to remove the nub that most buckings have but there is plenty of YT videos on that.
Hey Brain I have a question, I tried to Flat Hop two guns and for the guns I'm using good barrels and hop ups and I'm using good .28 bbs, I did everything correct and I'm even using maple leaf flat hop nubs and correctly cut buckings of the same brand, instead of increasing my range, it doesn't do a single thing to the gun and when I try to turn the hop on all the way, it ends up blocking the BB's path and it doesn't let the bb go through, jamming the gun and not even letting me fire unless I decrease the hop. I'm doing everything exactly correct, but I haven't got any clue on why it's not working. Is there anything you or anybody else reading this can tell me to fix it?
Trouble Shooting.: Do you use silicon spray for the cleaning of the barrel or the magazins? Because this is a good way of killing any Hup Up effect ...
Don't turn hop all the way, it's too much pressure, flat hop is not a standard mod so different rules apply, flat hop is supposed to give you more backspin with less pressure, too much pressure will negate everything, You need to find a sweet spot
Most flat hop nubs are to big and they apply to much pressure. You can either shave the nub down til it shoots properly or you can shave down the 2 contact points on your hop arm. Flat hopping is usually never just a drop in and your all set setup. 95% of the time you will have to do modifications. Another option is search online for sorbo flat nubs. Very easy to put in and rarely have to be modified
when can we collaborate on a video at tac city fullerton i would love to bring my gopro and film with you of course you will have a copy of my footage get an angle you really see that much me filming you playing airsoft for a few rounds
+BrainExploder You could modify the link in the description to this: www.mcmaster.com/#51135K171 it'd make it go to the exact product instead of people having to search through the list for the right number.
AliasSLH You are so wrong. An R-hop and a flathop do have differences in terms of accuracy, precision, and effective range. You can expect to get shots more than 10 meters more than flathop users, and your R-hop, unkike a flathop, will last forever, whereas you will need to replace yours after maybe 100,000-200,000 shots.
@@BrainExploder and then whats the next thing i will do ??..i wanna follow your work..i want to have an Rhop...they said it gonna give more range amd accuracy?? Is it real?
the square part that is removed is the hopup window. this patch is pressed in by the hopup to contact the bb creating backspin. The backspin uses the magnus effect to create lift and increase range. no window = no lift = very short range
It helps create better/longer contact between the patch and the BB giving it more spin and more consistent spin which leads to more range and more predictable flight path.
OR. You could cut a small piece of zip tie and place it under the hop up arm on top of the bucking. That way, the arm applies a flat even pressure on the bucking. This is basically the concept behind the maple leaf “i-key” and it works in my WE m&p. It shoots like 260fps w/ a .28g out past 150ft. Youre welcome
and paid around 30 buck excluded shipping? nah mate, i know airsoft is expensive hobby, but it's kinda "not me" for buying thing with big amount of money while i could DIY it
I just ordered a pre cut rhop patch from ebay with a modify ryusoku flat hop bucking (hard type) and a flat hop nub. I know I'll have to shave the hop arm but I will post the results be it good or bad. Was very inexpensive to. Bucking and nub set was only 15 bucks and the pre cut patch was like 9 dollars with free shipping. And the have patches for all sorts of barrels. Prommy,madbull, matrix,edgi, pdi and zci
AKARazorback Sugru-hop is an overhyped and lazy way to achieve half of the wonderous results and perks that you get from R-hopping. By sacrificing effort in Sugru-hopping over R-hopping, you will see that your range will not only never be as good as an R-hop, but will also get worse as time goes on. You will see that, and soon regret not installing an R-hop. S-hop is a gimmick.
Too bad that the McMaster don't ship international orders because stupid reasons. Some of you nice US gentlemen/ladies should buy that silicon hose and put it to ebay. I would like to take 5ft of it and I can pay double of the original price. :)
praticamente a creare un contatto più uniforme e consistente tra l hop up e il pallino, ergo a migliorare gittata e precisione di una replica da softair.
why didn't you just use a 6mm drill instead of that cleaning thing. 6mm drill fits just right inside the barrel and then make it.....!?!?!?!?!? almost everybody has a drills at home!!!
I dont really understand why you would use the metal rod and knife for cutting the length of the patch, that/those are the easy cuts, the hard cuts are the last ones.. Or just buy some r-hop patches..
when can we collaborate on a video at tac city fullerton i would love to bring my gopro and film with you of course you will have a copy of my footage get an angle you really see that much me filming you playing airsoft for a few rounds
When the straw was spinning I couldn't stop laughing for some reason 😂
Fantastic! I thought the r hop material had to be some sort of tubing, just didn't know what. Now I don't have to pay $15 for 3 tiny patches that I'll probably mess up trying to get right anyhow. Also a very clever way to size and cut the material.
Thank you so much, using your method my l96 shoots with much tighter groupings.
Ok I have a ares striker I was wondering if I can just drop in a concave hop arm and a maple leaf bucking with out to much modifications?
What type of tensioner are you use? (m-nub) , any links?
love the intro
We're did you get that black rubber ring on your barrel ?
They seem to not have ANY barrels in stock anymore at the clandestineairsoft.com link you gave. Where can you get good cheap stainless steel barrels, do you know?
I would like to ask if someone can confirm which tubbing part on McMaster shop is required? 51135K171 ? Is that the most suited tubing? Also,don't know if McMaster ships overseas.
What makes this patch? Is it works as a hop up rubber?
I bought the tubing linked, and it’s WAY too thick. The inner diameter is too small, though the outer is pretty good. I’ve spent hours and hours sanding, I’ve tried a dozen times, and I cannot get it so the bb will roll through the barrel with bucking installed. If I’m doing something wrong, please help! But if not, I highly recommend finding a thinner tube.
Very good method
Thanks a lot for sharing this.
Hope it helps.
Hello, I will ask about your barrel. Can you tell something about it? It is looking pretty good and it is cheap. Have you got any videos where you are using it?
BetPay I can vouch for ZCI and their barrels. They are better made than the Madbull ones (although both are good options), and are very durable. Lapping and R-hopping these ZCI barrels is no different than that of a Prometheus or PDI.
you could draw the patch from the end of the drill to skip carving out one side, also more accurate
Use a carbon arrow (cheap ones around $2) They have the perfect 6mm diameter
Where do you get one in Europe ?
Or you could use a metal straw or 6mm drill bit from your local hardware store
Im thinking to make a carbon barrel
nylon is a bit better than metal because you could scratch your barel with metal
Awesome video man
Your name is the best.
+BrainExploder All props to you, keep up the good work
To make it works i need some special hop up rubber or something else?
Usually come with barrel to prevent it hitting outer barrel
Hey Brain, what do you think about flat hopping? I've been contemplating it for quite a while, but I was still not too sure if it's worth doing. I've heard of various methods of doing so for the nub, including homemade eraser nub, the Firefly Namazu nub, the Maple Leaf RTX concave nub, the Modify flat nub, and that's about it :P . I would not feel comfortable doing the mod with an eraser nub, since it requires you to sand off the nub holder on the hop up arm, and I don't think I could do that very well without a dremel. I also wouldn't really wanna go with the Firefly nub since it's $17 and out of stock in Amped Airsoft. I'd be down to go with any other nub mentioned above, if they were to yield good flat hopping results. I already have good air seal and a 6.03 inner barrel, do you think any of these pre made flat nubs would give better results than just a normal bucking and nub combo, such as the G&G Green bucking I currently have? Or should I just stick with regular bucking & nub combos?..If I were to flat hop, I would use a good bucking such as another G&G or Lonex 70d. Thanks for reading this and I'd appreciate any help or info.
+Sebashbag Miller I've done a few flathops using both the eraser method and the Amped Airsoft flat nub. It's a lot easier to get right but some hopup units, like my AUG, the arm comes loose during play negating the hop effect because with a flathop you are pulling/pushing on the bucking so much it's starting to push back. I have never done a proper reg vs flat vs Rhop comparison so it's all perceived results. If you are happy with your gun as is don't mess with it.
Oh and one more question..I have heard of people gluing their flat nubs to the arm's nub holder instead of sanding it so that the nub doesn't move..What do you think about this? Would that be a good option, or is the nub supposed to be able to move for balance distribution (or something like that lol)
I have seen alot of r-hop videos comparing range and accuracy of the r-hop versus some standard hop unit and bucking. But I currently have a retro arms hop unit, with madbull 6.03 inner barrel and a prommy purple bucking and nub. Would I see any performance gain in range and accuracy with an r-hop or even flat hop compared to this set up, and if so why?
The reason would be is the patch would make more contact with the BB this would give it more spin and make it more consistent every time but it's easy to screw up.
Dan Webb I prefer flat hop if you haven't done r-hop before. It's easy to fck up making r-hop but flat hop is really easy
when you say metal rod as close to 6mm as possible my mind immediately went to the back end of a 6mm drill bit... you can get cheap chinesium drillbits for like 1 dollar a piece, take off the cutting edges at the front end and use it instead. or use a 5.5mm drill bit and wrap painters tape around it once, then you can use a regular ballpoint pen to give a more fine/accurate line of the window.
Thank you.
DRUM AND BASS IN BACKGROUND!! MY MAN!
DID U CUT THE BARREL OR NOT?
so Im trying to find the answer to when it's in the gun do you need a outer bucking
Yes you still need the bucking it keeps the Rhop patch from falling out, adds thickness to the back of the barrel so it fits into the hopup unit properly and seals the air in for good compression, you do have to remove the nub that most buckings have but there is plenty of YT videos on that.
BrainExploder thank you
+BrainExploder You should do another sniper gameplay. I recently got to go to southern cali and got 250 foot kill with my vsr @ code red. great day
M4 rifle's rear/front receiver pin works better. The pin's diameter is about 6mm so it doesn't move at all.
Great video btw.
But I know everyone doesn't have m4 receiver pin. So everything that works is good :D
Im trying to R Hop my VSR, but the bucking is weird and I cant flat hop it. Any ideas?
just a bit harder to get inside out, rest is the same as AEG
Tim Treurniet
but it's still possible?
Good
Hey Brain I have a question, I tried to Flat Hop two guns and for the guns I'm using good barrels and hop ups and I'm using good .28 bbs, I did everything correct and I'm even using maple leaf flat hop nubs and correctly cut buckings of the same brand, instead of increasing my range, it doesn't do a single thing to the gun and when I try to turn the hop on all the way, it ends up blocking the BB's path and it doesn't let the bb go through, jamming the gun and not even letting me fire unless I decrease the hop. I'm doing everything exactly correct, but I haven't got any clue on why it's not working. Is there anything you or anybody else reading this can tell me to fix it?
of course the gun jams when you turn the hop on all the way.
that happens with ANY hopup
+MrDeRooy that's never happened with any Airsoft AEG I've ever used
Trouble Shooting.: Do you use silicon spray for the cleaning of the barrel or the magazins?
Because this is a good way of killing any Hup Up effect ...
Don't turn hop all the way, it's too much pressure, flat hop is not a standard mod so different rules apply, flat hop is supposed to give you more backspin with less pressure, too much pressure will negate everything, You need to find a sweet spot
Most flat hop nubs are to big and they apply to much pressure. You can either shave the nub down til it shoots properly or you can shave down the 2 contact points on your hop arm. Flat hopping is usually never just a drop in and your all set setup. 95% of the time you will have to do modifications. Another option is search online for sorbo flat nubs. Very easy to put in and rarely have to be modified
the inner diameter of that tubing is only 4.76 mm, is there a reason why it's not 6 or
davidtriune it will need to be sanded down too much
is the CZ p 09 still your main sidearm?
+alex miller yep that and the Asg STI 1911 depending on the gear.
nice. thanks for the reply.
Do you need these patches for a flat-hop set up?
no flat hop is completely different, flat hop just uses a special nub
bucking pls
You also have to mod the bucking, amped airsoft made a brilliant video on this
Why would you use
3/16 ID vs 6mm ID?
If you find 6mm use that.
when can we collaborate on a video at tac city fullerton i would love to bring my gopro and film with you of course you will have a copy of my footage get an angle you really see that much me filming you playing airsoft for a few rounds
Might go next week during the week.
What nub should I use for r hop
You have to flat hop it.
Rick Rogers m nub
make a full r hop tutorial
+Zack Nottke plenty out there already, I am no expert at it.
this is some ninja sh**
+BrainExploder You could modify the link in the description to this: www.mcmaster.com/#51135K171 it'd make it go to the exact product instead of people having to search through the list for the right number.
Done, thanks.
Does gbbr worth it??
I would think so but the barrels are often different from AEGs and might be harder to r hop
does it increases the precision?
yes
Thanks.
+AliasSLH how can i make it?{
+AliasSLH ?
AliasSLH You are so wrong. An R-hop and a flathop do have differences in terms of accuracy, precision, and effective range. You can expect to get shots more than 10 meters more than flathop users, and your R-hop, unkike a flathop, will last forever, whereas you will need to replace yours after maybe 100,000-200,000 shots.
Shoving a metal rod up your barrel seems like a very very bad idea. I bought a silicone rod instead and even that has left an abrasive mark.
are you sure that 51135K17 is the right part number? i cant find it for the life of me...
I think he meant 51135K171 not just 17. That one seems to be correct.
19DESERTFOX91 thanks i think i found it
i wish i also had the tools u have =(
Took me years of random projects to collect all sorts of one off tools.
R hop is just patching the whole of the inner barrel?? No curve or anything inside of it..help please...haha
It basically replaces the metal part that was cut out when the window in the barrel was made
@@BrainExploder and then whats the next thing i will do ??..i wanna follow your work..i want to have an Rhop...they said it gonna give more range amd accuracy?? Is it real?
You form it to the barrel by sanding it it will improve range and accuracy if done right.
Why can't they just make a barrel without the square part removed?! Awesome video ty
the square part that is removed is the hopup window. this patch is pressed in by the hopup to contact the bb creating backspin. The backspin uses the magnus effect to create lift and increase range. no window = no lift = very short range
@@jacobstouth5085 I realized right after commenting and installing my own :P ty
what actually is a R hop and what does it do?
It helps create better/longer contact between the patch and the BB giving it more spin and more consistent spin which leads to more range and more predictable flight path.
BrainExploder thx
OR. You could cut a small piece of zip tie and place it under the hop up arm on top of the bucking. That way, the arm applies a flat even pressure on the bucking. This is basically the concept behind the maple leaf “i-key” and it works in my WE m&p. It shoots like 260fps w/ a .28g out past 150ft. Youre welcome
Why so much attitude?
BrainExploder didnt mean to come off that way!
now you can send me both rhop and BE patches
Nowadays you can just buy the precut Rhops for most barrels
Yeah solid option.
and paid around 30 buck excluded shipping?
nah mate, i know airsoft is expensive hobby, but it's kinda "not me" for buying thing with big amount of money while i could DIY it
I just ordered a pre cut rhop patch from ebay with a modify ryusoku flat hop bucking (hard type) and a flat hop nub. I know I'll have to shave the hop arm but I will post the results be it good or bad. Was very inexpensive to. Bucking and nub set was only 15 bucks and the pre cut patch was like 9 dollars with free shipping. And the have patches for all sorts of barrels. Prommy,madbull, matrix,edgi, pdi and zci
Why would you Rhop if you can Shop?
durability, non gimmick
I have an S Hop in mine and it has lasted me a long time so far with great results!
AKARazorback Sugru-hop is an overhyped and lazy way to achieve half of the wonderous results and perks that you get from R-hopping. By sacrificing effort in Sugru-hopping over R-hopping, you will see that your range will not only never be as good as an R-hop, but will also get worse as time goes on. You will see that, and soon regret not installing an R-hop. S-hop is a gimmick.
Chloe Harris but you can easily replace it.
Too bad that the McMaster don't ship international orders because stupid reasons.
Some of you nice US gentlemen/ladies should buy that silicon hose and put it to ebay. I would like to take 5ft of it and I can pay double of the original price. :)
rutsenhauer there are same silicone tubes available in EU. Simple 60 degree Silicon with an inner diameter of 6 and an outer diameter of 8
Do you have a store where we can get them?
e a cosa cavolo servirebbe? ??
praticamente a creare un contatto più uniforme e consistente tra l hop up e il pallino, ergo a migliorare gittata e precisione di una replica da softair.
Capisco... grazie per la risposta
why didn't you just use a 6mm drill instead of that cleaning thing. 6mm drill fits just right inside the barrel and then make it.....!?!?!?!?!? almost everybody has a drills at home!!!
You really needed the drill to do that...
Hell yeah
I dont really understand why you would use the metal rod and knife for cutting the length of the patch, that/those are the easy cuts, the hard cuts are the last ones.. Or just buy some r-hop patches..
Sugru would be way easier than this.
+Rekk “Rekker” Panties yes
Spratster and it wouldn't last compared to this
Rekk Panties no it would be consistent but it would slowly get worse
But I thought r-hopping a barrel made it better...
***** Why would he want to patch it then?
+Russian Sniper An r hop is when you put a silicone patch on the window of an airsoft barrel he isn't patching the r hop he is making a r hop patch
callsign Tacos OK thanks for clearing it up.
easier and simpler method is just to use an Rhop cutting jig from a 3d printer. this is too complex and needlessly convoluted.
What a confusing video, didn't explain which bucking need neither which nub or how can fit it in
when can we collaborate on a video at tac city fullerton i would love to bring my gopro and film with you of course you will have a copy of my footage get an angle you really see that much me filming you playing airsoft for a few rounds