Thank you for sharing your journey. I think people who feel they want to functionalize an old martial art can do so, and those who feel it can't be done should leave it for something we know works. Everyone has their own journey to live.
Hello. I have aikido in my heart like many do, I feel the conclusion is that its a noble idea, and a near impossible way to fight, at least against a fighter. There was a time in my late teens, I had some books, and friends to play around with to try 'aikido' on. I feel blessed that one book was by gaku hama, a philosophical artist with no woo talk, but many discussions about the gist of the topic. I was getting good at taking balance and being calm. Long time ago. The basic premise of keeping this art alive is that if you are 'doing' it right, you aren't putting yourself in contest, making wondering videos to test your 'faith' in it. You are taking a survival and prospering approach to life, which in martial arts situations leads to NOT fighting, not going down to the level of contest, but instead harmonizing with whats happening. It decreases the chance of violence to very low percents if it's philosophical. If you abandon that, and throw your technique against other techniques in deliberate contest, you increased the chances of fighting to 100%, and offered a level playing field of preparation. Thats pure failure on the philosophical front, and I mean no offense. I respect what you are trying, but this was always a thing about aikido, and you have affirmed it. Thats fair to say. Likewise you have also adapted, and done the practical things to achieve your desire. Basically, you learned that if you want to pick a fight, you can't edit out any fighting techniques for the contest. Its so easy to win, and correct, if you just punch somebody on the chin, or choke them out after wrestling them. Obviously. Aikido doesn't defeat physics or logic, unfortunately many woo merchants and customers alike love the idea that theres magic to something, and will waste time and money attaining this delusional power. Lol if there is magic, then it's all magic, and we might as well call magic physics again. I digress. You are always doing aikido, all day as a philosophy, and if aikido got you into a fight, aikido was guiding you to safety throughout, and a situational upper hand is always possessed. There arent guarantees in life, but there are preparations. I like to joke that you need to be a Jedi to be an aikido master. Hardly a joke really, if you travel the genealogy of the Jedi idea you will see it is on the same tree as aikido. Anyway my point....the BEST example of aikido in motion is not deliberate. Watch steve Irwin lovingly control wild animals. His approach, his motivation, his in the moment movements, his INTENT. Its all aikido. I insist you watch this video of Steve, with aikido in mind. It will exhilarate. Even though he did initiate contacts, he flowed in harmony throughout, and his mistakes were the reality of all battles, minus mushashi's of course. ua-cam.com/video/cKA35IrcEvo/v-deo.html If the point isn't covered in this easy-to-watch, search out others.
I'm giving a 'Like' on this video solely for the fact that Sir Burton explained GM Tatang Ilustrisimo's art and reputation so well as he have always did. Respect!
Man I love this vid!!! To hear Burt and Matt talk about what’s functional together made my day!!! We talking about two men that been through the trenches!! I feel the same way
Master Jigoro Kano, in search of a specific type of functionality adapted the original Jujutsu to create Judo, so did Ueshiba with Daito Ryu to create Aikido. Helio Gracie took the same Judo from Jigoro Kano and seeking to adapt it to his own needs, he created the Brazilian Jiujitsu. Many martial artists in pursuit of the ultimate martial sport have come together to create Mixed Martial Arts. That is called evolution, and evolution never stops. Martial arts evolve like all human activity. To think that the current state of martial arts is the maximum, last and final, is to be very naive. Basically you are saying to people: "stop looking, stop thinking, everything is already solved, all solutions are given, there is nothing more to find." Basically according to you, we must leave the current status quo intact. You do not realize that this restlessness, that desire to search more and more within an art is not only something intrinsically human and natural, but it is what produces the constant evolution of things. If Jigoro Kano had not questioned things and had not risked changing his style, Judo did not exist. Hélio Gracie could simply find a way to make himself stronger in order to be more effective in Mitsuyo Maeda Judo, so there would be no BJJ. If no athlete or promoter had questioned the status quo of Martial Arts in the 90s, there would be no MMA. Keep looking for growth and evolution in your styles, or in various styles, the future is written day by day, the fact that some take the easy path does not mean that everyone should follow that path.
I feel like often the discussion of "fixing" non-functional styles tends to start with the premise that a style of fighting should be relevant within the current meta. With that premise the result is often that you take the functional aspects of a given style and add or modify the rest until you have MMA, it follow that the answer is that it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel if all you're going to do is make a less effective wheel. If you consider the premise as flawed, that styles aren't meant to be functional within the current meta, it frees the drive to "fix" it. You do run into the question of trying to define a meta where the style is effective, or presume an effective meta and correct the style to that, but that is frought with assumptions, inaccuracies, and debatable function. Really it leads to the question of "do you want to learn how to fight?" if you do there are a lot of good "non-functional/fantasy based"styles you want to avoid. If you don't care about fighting and just want to do something that looks cool, that is an athletic display, there are good "functional/reality-based" styles you'll likely want to avoid. Know what you want, and know what you're getting.
The current meta. Most people wear the thinnest, least protective clothing they have ever had in Centuries and the weapons they are approached with are almost exclusively Knifes or Guns. You can't beat a Gun, and most Knife defense relied on you having either some kind of sword/buckler/ect and heavy clothing to somewhat dampen slices. Take Akido, it was designed to be able to efficiently slice a dudes throat when you had the smaller sword because it assumed you would be going for the throat due to the armor of the time of it's relevance. The moment you stop trying to dislocate the arm of the guy you are throwing, so he can't protect himself from your sword; is the moment that the art stops being useful.
@@64Northern1 No, I was always rather bad in compettitons. First because I really need a good reason to be willing to risk hurting somebody. Second, because what I had to train for sports was to 80% what I needed the least for real life situations, so I'd rather spend 100% on what I needed and be less good at sports. I kept picking the good stuff of Karate and kept my focus on that. The tournament karate guys didn't recognize it as karate any more although it certainly was.
Hi, I've watched many of your videos over the months. I just wanted to ask you, what is your definition of 'Functional'. It is a phrase that you always use and I am just curious about what context you are referring to. I find that sometimes you use it in the context of combat sport and sometimes you use it in the context of street self defence. My opinion is that they are different contexts and that 'functional' has a different meaning for them both. No hate here, man. I have enjoyed your content. Keep it up. Just for context. I learn and teach a style of Filipino Martial Arts.
I think that "functional" is something that can be adapted and used in both situations. In the end, regardless if it's sport or self defence, your aim is to "win"( _what changes here are the conditions to "win" in which case with the_ *sport is either a knockout of your adversay or winning by points* _, or in the case of_ *self-defence is getting away from an encounter either 100% intact* _(or mostly intact) or_ *making your adversary unable to attack you* ).
in most scenarios, what works in a combat sport will work in a street self defence. at least much better then more traditional style points sparring martial arts
Aikido as a "martial yoga" practice doesn't need saving if it doesn't claim to teach functional self-defense. Big problem if it does. But it begs the question: why would someone want to make it functional? Because there is a something true about it's goal: to cultivate the kind of mindset that can prevent conflict before it starts - and the kind of skillset that can resolve it in a non-violent manner if it does. One could say that any martial art could have this goal, but few structure training between uke and nage (offense and defense) where defense does not "attack" but instead attempts to "blend" with the attack and stop the fight with minimal damage to the attacker. Fewer still speak to core values like self-awareness, harmony, peace, compassion, or even love. Certainly any functional grappling art could be used to attain this outcome much better than Aikido (early BJJ vale tudo matches may come closest to this in reality), but most are competitive sports that have very little to do with meditation, eastern philosophy, non-violent communication, or somatic psychology! Aikido has always been a martial arts for people interested in personal growth in psychological and spiritual sense. Too bad it doesn't live up to its truth claims as a "martial" art...and so it is rightly lumped in with all the other new-age offerings...
the bugbear i have with this perspective is what a person perceives as "functional" or "real" is strictly limited by their OWN abilities. Let me paint an example using MMA's rapid evolution. I remember in the early 00s period MMA fighters were claiming, vehemently, that head movement (bobbing, slipping, weaving and so on....a fundamental skill in boxing, which you all obviously regard as "functional" and "real") in MMA "doesnt work because of the risk of knees and kicks"- !!! - this is in spite of the fact that kickboxing, both western and Muay Thai, had been a thing long before the UFC, and some of its best fighters were renowned for their evasive maneuvers. And look at the UFC today - so many fighters now have very good head movement and defensive skills learned from boxing. so of course, it wasn't that these skills didnt actually work in the context of MMA, it was simply a projection of the inability of earlier era MMA fighters and their rock-em-sock-em robot standup stylings. And that changed very rapidly, all it took was a few guys to break that mold and show what could be done, and then quickly it became standardized. Point here is, one should be careful not to construe "i cant do this myself" with the generalized projection of "this doesnt work". A great deal many people in that same mid 00s era in MMA regarded karate as a joke, an actual joke. Then Lyoto Machida came along and suddenly people were taking shotokan seriously again. And its not like lyoto is just a "karate background" and fights like any other MMA fighter, he fights almost identically as he did in his point fighting days, including favoring some of the same sweeps and counter throws, techniques that certainly were not common in MMA at the time, and still aren't.
Opinions please, my Sensei is a Shotokan practioner as well as an Aikido one. I learn both from him, he had learned Aikido in his later years and i feel like i have learnt good body mechanics from them in combination, (i have learnt them separately in different classes), in a fight i can effectively ground fight and then there are instances where i can apply my aikido into certain positions, where Aikido is effective for me, thoughts? (My sensei has never been a bullshido artist, his shins can prove it hahaha), i am 18 and i have trained at varying other Gyms, i am also going to enrol in wrestling or bjj.
Shotokan is a BRUTAL Sport! Their only weakness is no head shots. Those guy's bodies are freaking trees, though! Aikido was taught and adapted in the US Police and Military for many years due to it's obvious techniques in that line of work.
I say again after my second BJJ classes I realized that I needed to continue to practice Aikido because of how extremely dangerous my attitude is! Also because of the embarrassment of a hard art philosophy couse me I will take my chances caring a combat cane and training in both Aikido and BJJ/kickboxing
Hey I got a question I left karate about a year ago due to a knee injury I’m healed now and was thinking about going back to get my black belt (I’ve done it for 4 years and I’d need to go for another year) and once I’m done I was going to go to either BJJ or Judo, I know you like BJJ more but I think I would like Judo more so my question is there a style that mixes the takedowns and grappling of judo with the defensive aspect of BJJ. Thanks
Hello. Judo as it is practised today is focused on the Olympic games aspect, which is takedowns. The groundfighting from Judo is what was preserved and perfected in BJJ since BJJ comes from Judo. You're better off wrestling if you can do it. But wrestling is hard on an ageing body..... Hope this helps and all the best.....
@@irb911 Isn't the goal of wrestling to pin the other guy. The throws that I like most from Judo are the ones where you throw the guy and remain standing.
Love this channel, but I’ve developed two questions that I’d love answered: 1) What about someone who wants to learn a martial art with a specific limitation? Like...you’re a high school security guard. Your job is to break up fights, but you can’t hit anyone. Is there a particularly specialized martial art that would be good for a situation like that? 2) Rokas talks a lot about what doesn’t work in MMA, but there you’re facing trained killers. Is it possible that some of these TMAs really do work against untrained opponents, who make up 99% of everyone in the streets? Love to hear any thoughts.
If it works against trained killer why would you use anything else? Like Sheepdog Response said - You can't train like a b'tch and fight like a warrior... What would you use?
Dranik Nikdra oh for a thousand different reasons. One highly effective art might be a lot less efficient to learn, for example and the student may be pressed for time. Maybe your area doesn’t have a gym where an “effective” style is taught, but there is a tae kwon do place. Whatever. Should a person avoid karate class at all costs because karate hasn’t been as effective as Muay Thai when world class practitioners of each have gone head to head? Or would a decent karate fighter do well against an untrained assailant (99% of potential attackers), despite karate not being the highly refined fighting system that is modern MMA. There are tons of non-fighting examples of this. You don’t have to learn to be Jimmi Hendrix in order to play guitar at a party, you don’t have to learn the worlds greatest painting techniques in order to be an above average artist. What I’m asking is, is it really fair to say that some martial art...krav maga or whatever...”doesn’t work” simply because it doesn’t work against the worlds greatest cage fighters? To me there’s a huge gap in that logic. If it is actually the case that learning karate makes you NO BETTER (or evens worse!) at fighting, then I see someone saying that they “don’t work.” But “isn’t the best” and “doesn’t work” are two different things.
@@ricdimarco1499 You are right... In my oppinion they don't work... And that is not their biggest sin, you can still train them for fitness but they like to claim that they are effective even if they don't know anything about live sparing, and what effectiveness actually is. They just believe in traditional farry tails without any video or live prove... I was one of them, until I educated myself in effective martial arts. But that needs dedication, time and ego dropping... bjj is effective because it has a huge history of triale and error in real fights. And that is why cage fighters use that. If they could nock out someone with a chi, they will probably use that...
Dranik Nikdra what was your TMA? And do you find that it is truly useless? Like, did it help you against a meat head who wanted to harass you in an alley? Or was it really not helpful in that situation?
Rokas is back on track! Great discussion, great panel speakers. Thank you brother. A couple of things I want to comment on. Aikido will never look like a grappling art because it's not a grappling style. It's a throwing art with some arm and wrist locks. But the main core of it is throws. Also, you can't rescue an "art" per se. You just have to try and train the techniques effectively. There are very few major martial arts out there that teach techniques that are just plain useless. It's the application of those techniques. BJJ is a great example. The submissions and movement are nothing groundbreaking in themselves. The arm bar has been around for thousands of years. It's the Gracie training methodology that was the game changer. They turned Judo into a competitive ground grappling sport and focussed the training into how THEY felt it should be. This why BJJ beats traditional Judo when it comes to grappling. Look at a Judo book and in the "newaza" section all the ground movements are listed. BJJ just has a better methodology to get there. Another thing is the discussion on weapons. The study of the sword though great from an academic perspective is no use when talking about self defence or combat. Swords are obsolete as weapons. The human body will never become obsolete though.
Hello Rokas, I have a question for you. I am somewhat developing my "own" martial art(I live in Denmark a country where most mma, muay thai and pratical martial arts are frowned appon so I am trying to make a legit martial art that people will learn know how to defend themselves), I have a background Japanese juijitsu(1840's), muay thai and mma background and Looking to make my own form of "japanese" jiu jitsu wich has it's focus on the three importent wazza's atemi, te and ukemi wazza, but with alot of focus on not Looking to keep it "clean" as some people imply. Would love to talk into the details with anyone.
I've has the idea of mixing functional hand to hand martial arts with things like Hema (Historical European Martial Arts) but adding in modern weapons as well. The idea I had was to make a school based around survival tactics and gorilla warfare, for zombie apocalypse type scenarios. You know like what ninjutsu is supposed to be but isn't.
MMA can be any combo. I trained Muay Thai and BJJ after earning my second degree black belt in Karate. Karate has all the same techniques as Muay Thai and then some however BJJ is different it is not stand up striking it is ground so now I am back to Karate and also training BJJ, however I will say Muay Thai has influenced the way I train and teach Karate. There are a number or very good Karate/BJJ MMA fighters like Machida, Bas Rutten and GSP
the closest combat sport to aikido other than hatenkai and tomiki aikido is sumo... there are many aikido techniques in there... i didnt even know they were aikido, but there is a video that shows the similarities... altho, sumo happens at much closer range and much more violently
The real version of any martial art is the version of it that spars. The issue I take with your attempt to rescue Aikido, is that you never got around to doing the traditional type of Aikido that spars (Shodokan/Tomiki), and the critics at SBG reviewing video of Tomiki Aikido was as close as you got to trying it. When the "Slap of Truth" happened I had to ask myself "did Cyan do any Aikido?" This then led me to the question "if Rokas never tried Shodokan, did he ever really do a martial art version of Aikido?"
Wait a minute, isn’t that what Aiki-Jujutsu was for? Isn’t Aikido just a less lethal variation of said style? I thought you would’ve known that already.
Aikido Training is designed to Teach Aiki Jitsu in a way with little to no Risk of Broken Bones and to allow People who chose Exercise over Fighting to Learn Self Defense if they chose to Apply the Techniques in that Fashion but nobody can just learn the Power of Aikido in a situation where everybody else is Doing Aerobic Exercise and not Practicing With the Effort to increase the Powerful Throwing Techniques or Learning to Avoid the Throws by Anticipated Cheating of these Techniques which you will find in any Martial Arts not just Aikido if MMA FIGHTERS and UFC FIGHTERS practiced with partial Effort to Fight then There would be NO SPECTATORS at ALL and then it would be Laughable to Watch Most passerbys would think that it was a GAY LOVE AFFAIR
Aikiflow if you spend time practicing a martial art, then find yourself in a physical confrontation against an avg joe, not an individual who trains....and(provided there isn’t some ridiculous size difference, the person isn’t on drugs, it’s just your run of the mill confrontation) the amount of effort it takes to come out on top stands at stark odds with your time spent training....then you’ve wasted your time. An 4 stripe white belt(about 9 months of training for 2 hrs about 3 times a week) will fuck a lot of regular people up. If you’re practicing something for 10 years and can’t take down the town drunk absent a pitched brawl then you’ve wasted a decade.
@@lordnarasimha2500 I've done over a decade of aikido. I've sparred with BJJ blue belts in the past and have managed pretty well. So I'm happy enough. You are right in terms of time frames I'll agree on that. However longevity wise I've seen way more BJJ practitioners injured through training than aikidoka (not to say it doesn't happen). Therefore personally I rather look at the long term rather than short term but I understand why people would choose not to.
"until eventually I realized that Aikido does not live up to what it promises". I find it hard to believe that Aikido spoke to you and said "I promise you something" as it`s not an entity. Instead of trying to "correct" it , how about you find a new name an make something new and stop using Aikido as a description cause you obviously don`t get what the name means yet.
something that isn't really discussed in this topic: does a martial art have to be complete to be functional? If you're trying to make your art fit into every niche, then you'll obviously just end up with MMA, so maybe it would be a better idea to save an art by optimizing it for the niche it was meant for anyway?
Exactly. Aikido is basically about avoiding confrontation, MMA the opposite. To each his own i guess. Everybody is trying to "teach" to Aikido what it should do. It`s pretty funny to see tbh
I think any martial art can be made functional.. as long as we can still pinpoint the moment in time it went wrong(often not possible because lack of written and archeological sources). It is obvious that a style would never develop or gain popularity in it's inception if it would have not been a usable style. Also it was never rigid, stealing better working moves for other masters was common (styles were not .. really styles YET. They were more like.. xyz master's moves). Remeber, almost all styles were invented way before youtube, and a big portion of them predates functional firearms. Their mere existance, that they stood the pass of time is proof that at some point in time, they worked. If you can not "remaster" to use a gaming term a style to be working again, it means there was a rupture in technique somewhere in the past that determined the downfall of the style. @Martial Arts Journey Rokas Maybe a new, historical approach could render some positive results. We all know that people nowdays are not training or working hard labour like knights and mellee/early musket weapon era soldiers, so we can not simply state "train like the old battlefields". A martial arts scholar should seek the granularity
I have been loooong time researching this theme. traditional martial arts ,funcionality and similar. I will share my conclusion for i have come but let me first introduce myself. I am ninjutsu practicioner, bushcraft and survival master, street,bare hands,weapon and manipulation fighter.I studied many martial arts but i am master of myself.But i am not that great as it looks, that is just fancy words. here is my conclusion: Just on thing;dont get me wrong.I dont say ninjutsu is martial art it is black ops art&discipline. Like guerilla warfare and special forces.But in ninjutsu we have ko ryu and similar. fighting systems.Is it martial art system is under your opinion.And sorry for bad english. So, a lot of people today after researching this theme, or start training several others arts; like bjj,mma,wrestling and smlr; or continue practicioning their martial art for fun or spar or whatever mix of all that people can make. I realised fighting isnt on style or technique it is on principles. Every martial art and style from firsts like kalaripayatu to newest like kalos agon or similar,everywhere, lays on principles. Mix of quantity and quality of each principle is what separates them. But principles can be summarized to a few.First, why is old prototype or whatever that japanese and chinese martial arts can easy defeat anyone on west or europe. Remember old cartoons. Somebody think he/she is best and everything. But then japanese "jutsu" guy comes and beats him easy. Example from Asterix. examples you can find everywhere; mysterious cool martial style comes and ez win. But in every fancy story and thing (i wonr say lie so somebody wont get offended, peace guys)there is a little truth. No i am not japanese i live in europe but there is truth. Before few centuries if eastern man comes to europe he can really beat that guy who eat tons of meat ( no offense to anyone but eating too much especially meat is not healthy and can be dangerous)and who beated all villagers in 20miles around (with no hygiene, east people had good hygiene )so he think he is good. (The dark centuries)Why? The main reason: DISCIPLINE - THE FIRST AND ONE OF MAIN PRINCIPLES. It is not tehnique that much, european mans have developed sorts of boxing and wrestling that can be effective; yet it ìs DISCIPLINE that eastern arts have.Oh that river is soo cold lets just pass it by the bridge. The person with self discipline at high level would be on other side drying clothes of swimming. You dont need to pass the rivers and i know you wont but similar things you can find in your home or neighbourhood. Second main principle and one of hardest is HUMILITY. You cant be effective and have functionality if you cant be humble.REMEMBER THAT.(cc. Jocko ) Other principles can be summarized to these sentences. 0.Get a gun,or run or if you want...choose fight.You dont always fight when is life at stake. 1.It is not speed that matters, it is timing (cc. Bruce Lee)Perfect timing in hundredth part of milisecond. Over ages you can lose speed but not timing(cc. Hatsumi sensei) 2. Speed. Yes Speed. Now when you realised true potential of timing its time to realise that u cant go without speed(cc. B. Lee) Be faster than thought.Your thought should be faster than you. Again controversal Kai? No just learn it as I said.There ia truth inside it. I did not made those, i have found,tested and researched them. 3.Focus. Research what is low latent inhibition. Analyse faster than the light. Remember all of that.Forever.In your hard memory. (cc.Guitar mastery yt). Question yourself: how it can be utilized. 4. Dont fight with style(or tehnique). Style a fight.(cc. EOSD ,Hopkinsville)Make lifestyle by your fight.Fight Lifestyle. Art lifestyle. 5.Learn to read Body language. Always manipulate people around with Body language.Nobody should know anything about you and your feelings besides what you want them to know. It works. Your eye look. Sometimes you can just won fight by it. How? Learn it man.Contact someone?You will never learn from goals you accomplished, you will learn it from journeys to them. 6.Learn to control pain and your emotions. You should be able to take punches. Charge yourself with rage from it. NEVER RAGE. Take energy from that trash that makes humans unusable revenge animals and dont use it. Never fight raged and so much angry. 8.Harden your body....However just fight with stone to be stone. You understand me. If you dont just dislike and go. 9. Practice. 10. Now you know all that. Yes now you can go to tehnique. You can find fight art martial tehnique and style. Just choose. People reccomend Bjj ,mma , wrestling,and similar for self defense as most effective.I reccomend something other. Be like your movie,game,show or cartoon hero.Or someone you made up. If you passed the journey trough all 11. you already can defeaf lot of people. If you have an goal You can defeat almost anyone who doesnt have better or similar ideal. Maybe you didnt add muscles to your made up hero. So you start bodybuilding until you are strong enough to do some things and win some battles aganist heavier opponent. Or you added them too much and you didnt think about tehnique. so you go to mma gym and learn some moves. You already know principles, tehnique is thing of practice nothing much for you. Just try to make perfect hero to you...if you lost ... try to fix him, see what people in comments think about that and that... maybe you need some iado drills for finesse, or some aikido if your opponent never goes to ground; oh no you learned to get someone on ground but other opponent got up and beat you on the ground. Maybe now its time to find your old bjj friend and do some sparring and go with him to his training, ask him, examples, ask youtube , people in comment sections, than spar with that opponent again and kill him with ur new knowledge then you lost your next fight, and next and next and you ask urself whyy ?? isnt my hero perfrct. Then u realise u think you are someone and you lost one of mains: humility. Yeah then you fix that, oh noo you lost again, does it work?Ah you were so much emotional you didnt manage to control your body language. So you fix that. MAKE MISTAKES TO LEARN FROM THEM. OH YOU HAVE PROBLEM- you dont have all that opponents...like me .. a) If you live next to forest or similar like me; harmonize with it. Nature harmonized heroes with mastering all that principles can easy beat almost anyone. Because you train on nature not on opponent . Also you can try 8. principle and fight with nature really verbatum... fight with wood and stone and animals.Live in peace. Looks controversal but its truth. b) if you dont have enough opponents but u dont have any nature close... Then you do all same but not fighting yet but learning. You dont need to fight with someone to realise bad side of your hero and goal, you can realise talking with people on social networks, reading books and thinking- meditating. I DONT WANNA OFFEND ANYONE.I DONT SAY ALL THIS IS FULLY BEST WAY TO SEE and show TRUTH.WE CAN DISCUSS EVERY PART OF THIS TEXT i am open for it and for contacting. I CAME TO SHARE MY EFFORT FROM COLLECTING OTHER PEOPLE FIGHT LIFE TRUTHS. Should I say "have a nice day , artist (warrior)" or just "have a nice day" it depends on you. keep up
Some, not all, but some of these uneffective martial arts, are actually very effective in the right circumstances. Aikido as an example is not a fist to cuffs combat system. It’s not a weapons system per say. It’s an I’ve dropped, lost, no longer have my katana blade in my hand and my enemy still has his, what do I do? Aikido, works well there. Where the movements might be quite large and slow compared to a jab. Where you have a chance of catching a sword hand or pulling some one off balance. Works great against a person with a baseball bat. I know from personal experience. Aikido can work, in the context that it was developed for. In 20 years when they finally develop light sabers people will be complaining that kendo techniques don’t work against a light saber. Because Kendo isn’t designed for that context, against that weapon. Hard to block a weapon that cuts through your sword without slowing down. “No can defend.” Karate, taekwondo, Kung-fu, etc.... work great in the context, in the situation they were designed for. Outside of those contexts and situations, not so much. You have to decide what you think you might one day need and train for that. Some situations MMA, does not work in. It’s not bad, it’s just not the right place for it there. You can not train for everything.
Ismail Is The Name well, I was using Aikido as an example.... jujitsu works. It’s what it was designed for. Aikido actually does work in that context. Which is my point. In the right context in the right situation the right martial art will work.
@@GBlues1, You should say like 'some of its techniques'. Not all mate. I can make some of those techniques from Aikido work because I'm already pretty good at Wrestling, Judo and BJJ. Aikido in general or by itself? It doesn't work.
Ismail Is The Name your right. In a street fight, hand to hand Aikido doesn’t work. Against a guy trying to knock your head off with a baseball, it works. You can blend, you can take his balance, you can throw him using an Aikido technique. That’s what Aikido was actually designed to defend against. A weapon similar to a katana blade. You can argue the point all you want, but it’s not going to change the fact, that everyone is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. It doesn’t work where people want it to, because it was never meant for that situation. Period. End of story. It’s like BJJ, one to one, it works great. But if his buddy jumps in your in deep shit. It doesn’t work there.
@@GBlues1, Why bother learning Aikido if you could use other functional arts to take out a guy with a baseball bat? Aikido was created by O-Sensei in order for one to train in harmony without violence. Do you a video of yourself doing some sorts of training? Other than video games.
Seems like these guys have a different message than you do, Rokas. They are talking about fighting. Are you talking about fighting or self-defense? Seems like you are talking about self-defense. That said, what do you mean by functional and effective? In a fight or in a self-defense situation? What’s the difference? Please answer the question I keep asking most of all? Why did you think The Way of Harmony was going to teach you to be disharmonious? The founder literally wrote the book “The Art of Peace.” Why did you think it would teach you to be a great fighter?
Ismail Is The Name No, I don’t believe it has. I also don’t believe you are correct. My own experience says otherwise. But my main question is why Rokas is mad that The Art of Peace, The Way of Harmony, didn’t turn him into a badass MMA fighter? Clearly by the name, it should have... I ask as his whole identity here seems built on this idea that Aikido is bad and it mislead him. That it isn’t effective in a real situation blah blah blah stress testing. But if it’s really about self defense, wouldn’t not fighting be the best result? Aikido teaches this. It’d be like me pissing and moaning about BJJ not teaching me inner peace and harmony.
@@Baritoneewart, You should watch the whole video of his. Aikido by itself doesn't work. Period. O Sensei created this art for a way to train without violence. You wanna fight? Go and learn Karate, Judo or Jiujitsu. Not Aikido. I don't take anecdotal for a fact. Sorry mate. I know this because I'm a martial artist myself. I have my own contents on my account. Anyways, i can see that you have a talent for singing. You sound great mate. Really.
Ismail Is The Name Thanks for the compliments! I disagree that Aikido doesn’t work. It depends on what you use it for. If you mean in the MMA ring, you are probably right. No martial art in the MMA ring works by itself. Hence MMA being mixed martial arts. My issue is really with Rokas being upset that The Way of Harmony didn’t teach him to be a fighter. Kinda silly premise that he doesn’t acknowledge. He blames Aikido for promising him something, by it’s very nature, cannot promise. My secondary issue is his assertion that Aikido won’t train you for self-defense. This is false. Aikido teaches a great many things about relationships between people, distance, timing, fitness, and an overall awareness with those around you. I was a bouncer for a time, really helped. Also helped when I lived in Chicago on several occasions. The point is, I don’t agree with the assertion that a martial art has to be effective in the ring for it to be an effective tool for self-defense as self-defense has farther reaching implications than physical combat. I don’t agree that Aikido doesn’t live up to it’s promises. Rather, many other people try to state that Aikido promises things it does not and unreasonably criticizes it. Like the two gentlemen in this video, but even more so with Rokas. So I’m gonna keep stating the same until Rokas owns up to his faults. Something he touts with great pride. Just not in this instance when there isn’t anyone or anything else to blame. Also, you look like a beast. Way to work hard!
Every martial art has a function, each one has a strength and weakness and we have come to realise that cross training is the most effective way. However I don't think we should judge an art based on if it works in a fight there are arts that work for self defence and others are more for health and well being. I will never say you should not do Akido because its useless it has it function I just wouldn't take it for self defense
If some "art" has no function in fighting, then it is not martial art. Aikido fails as martial art because it has nothing in "martial". If you want health and well-being, do what ever you want, just do not say it is martial art.
@@GuitarsRockForever aikido does not work against a trained opponent but against an average Joe? Its better than nothing. I'm not well versed in aikido history but I think it was used to disarm a swordsman I could be completely wrong. If you mix some basic strikes In there it could be used more effectively. I don't think it's useless just there are better systems to prepare for self defence.
I took Aikido for Self Defense and found out that a Majority of the Members are only interested in the Aerobics part of Aikido and won't practice Aikido as a form of Self Defense meaning that it's not the Art of Aikido that has Failure but of the Students that practice Aikido half Hearted and refused to Build the Defensive Aspects of the Art 90% of ALL Martial Artists practice Every Martial Art as a Exercise Only and pay very little attention to Practical Application for Self Defense but that doesn't mean that the Martial Arts don't work for Self Defense it means People don't want to Fight because Aikido is Joint Locks that are designed to literally Brake Bones and Smash you Head First into Hard Surfaces not Pretend Play cochie chochie with People who want GAMES it just doesn't work as a POINTS GAME
@@DanielSmith-pq4yc It's the Fault of the Student not the Art of Aikido that Creates an Ineffectual Practice of Aikido not the Techniques of Aikido if a Baseball Player only Practiced hitting the Ball and just Walked to each Base what would become of the Sport of Baseball would anyone every make it to FIRST BASE by Walking after Hitting the Ball ?
@@lionsden4563 listen all I'm asking is can civilians learn military martial arts like Marine Corps martial arts program modern Army combatives program and others without joining the military
I'm reading the comments and its unbelievable how they just spent an hour on this topic. People are determined to try and say it's the practitioner fault. Let's keep it real people because they keep saying MMA and BJJ is just sport and not street. The funny thing is when these street tactics people spar they look like bad MMA and BJJ. So my question is why look like something you claim your not ??? If I claim I'm not sport then when I spar I need too look like Akido, krav maga, or what ever I'm advertising. If I'm going to spar and look like bad MMA why not just train MMA and look good in sparring doing it??? Let your ego gooooo and follow truth. Do not be loyal to a lineage, or a so called sifu be loyal to truth. And stop lying to yourself and people and go spar some MMA and BJJ practioneers and stop hiding behind phantasy martial arts.
It is practitioners fault at times and thereby teachers. There's a world of difference between competitive Wing Chun and McDojo Wing Chun. If you want competitive then go look at Ip Man Cup. It's basically kickboxing rules and they have no need to step outside their own competitions. A few have in fact crossed over for Kickboxing and Sanda style comps. The dude named Qi La La is a good example here. Don't go hating. It's just the damn truth.
@@lionsden4563 thank you for understanding my point. Again when those type of martial arts practioneers get smacked with the truth. They start trying to pointing to these movies and all that nonsense . I say again if you are wing Chun or any other style but not sport. When you spar I want to see that wing Chun, Akido or what ever you promote . Dont look like sport or bad MMA.
@@i-evi-l I know I know it's the student. I know I know it's the fake mcdojo sifu. The martial arts that dont have clinch and ground to make you more well rounded is never the blame. Truth is always last but loyalty is always first. But again I highly suggest if any of you're martial arts work with real resistance send a video of showing it working in all ranges of combat with full gear on going all out. Please show every one how it looks in full resistance.
Aikido is not a martial arts. Its a form of coreographed dance based on martial arts. So, we have try to appreciate it that way. Perhaps you could be an aikidoka and martial artist the same time but it would be like a soldier who likes doing tango.
US Military and Police were taught Aikido for years, and still has techniques integrated from Aikido. You know what happens when you can't tumble out? It hurts like hell.
@@i-evi-l perhaps you can teach aikido to everyone, but for what purpose? Maybe aikido is good for concentration or to avoid unnecessary violence through the practice of patience, calmness, etc. The military or the police teaches its recruits other things beside aikido which are practically more usefull to perform their tasks and serve their functions. In the real world, people either block or hit you back instead of doing ukemi for your techniques.
Martial arts journey I know I hated too many times but look people call Wing Chun not good for self-defense or street fighting but that's wrong it works it all depends on the practitioner what I'm saying is that every martial art works
@@MartialArtsJourney that's what I'm saying there is no strongest or weakest martial art Wing Chun and every martial art works for self-defense and street fighting it all depends on the practitioner and how much time he puts into it
If you have to defend your martial art online by saying its the practitioner and bla bla bla I've got some bad news for you buddy. Go spar a boxer or kickboxer in a real full contact setting and see how it goes
You might as well just come out and make a statement that MMA and BJJ are supposedly superior to every other martial art and just have it done with. I think that would be the finale to your content right there. All hail mma and bjj, the only 2 functional martial arts. Say it dude. I know you are itching to.
Watch the full talk here. I highly recommend it: ua-cam.com/video/j0GApzoGqcA/v-deo.html
Thank you for sharing your journey. I think people who feel they want to functionalize an old martial art can do so, and those who feel it can't be done should leave it for something we know works. Everyone has their own journey to live.
Hello. I have aikido in my heart like many do, I feel the conclusion is that its a noble idea, and a near impossible way to fight, at least against a fighter.
There was a time in my late teens, I had some books, and friends to play around with to try 'aikido' on. I feel blessed that one book was by gaku hama, a philosophical artist with no woo talk, but many discussions about the gist of the topic. I was getting good at taking balance and being calm. Long time ago.
The basic premise of keeping this art alive is that if you are 'doing' it right, you aren't putting yourself in contest, making wondering videos to test your 'faith' in it. You are taking a survival and prospering approach to life, which in martial arts situations leads to NOT fighting, not going down to the level of contest, but instead harmonizing with whats happening. It decreases the chance of violence to very low percents if it's philosophical. If you abandon that, and throw your technique against other techniques in deliberate contest, you increased the chances of fighting to 100%, and offered a level playing field of preparation. Thats pure failure on the philosophical front, and I mean no offense. I respect what you are trying, but this was always a thing about aikido, and you have affirmed it. Thats fair to say.
Likewise you have also adapted, and done the practical things to achieve your desire. Basically, you learned that if you want to pick a fight, you can't edit out any fighting techniques for the contest. Its so easy to win, and correct, if you just punch somebody on the chin, or choke them out after wrestling them. Obviously. Aikido doesn't defeat physics or logic, unfortunately many woo merchants and customers alike love the idea that theres magic to something, and will waste time and money attaining this delusional power. Lol if there is magic, then it's all magic, and we might as well call magic physics again. I digress.
You are always doing aikido, all day as a philosophy, and if aikido got you into a fight, aikido was guiding you to safety throughout, and a situational upper hand is always possessed. There arent guarantees in life, but there are preparations.
I like to joke that you need to be a Jedi to be an aikido master. Hardly a joke really, if you travel the genealogy of the Jedi idea you will see it is on the same tree as aikido.
Anyway my point....the BEST example of aikido in motion is not deliberate. Watch steve Irwin lovingly control wild animals. His approach, his motivation, his in the moment movements, his INTENT. Its all aikido.
I insist you watch this video of Steve, with aikido in mind. It will exhilarate. Even though he did initiate contacts, he flowed in harmony throughout, and his mistakes were the reality of all battles, minus mushashi's of course.
ua-cam.com/video/cKA35IrcEvo/v-deo.html
If the point isn't covered in this easy-to-watch, search out others.
I didn’t know Slavoj Zizek knew martial arts ☺️
He he he.
He's also much less neurotic than usual. Where are all the weird ticks?
ah, you beat me to it.
Slovenian Trash Can Boxing.
Tito Mala-Madre omg hahahahahahahhaha
I'm giving a 'Like' on this video solely for the fact that Sir Burton explained GM Tatang Ilustrisimo's art and reputation so well as he have always did. Respect!
Man I love this vid!!! To hear Burt and Matt talk about what’s functional together made my day!!! We talking about two men that been through the trenches!! I feel the same way
Sweet! I'm happy you found a great topic to share!
I absolutely LOVE THIS SERIES MAN keep it up you're nuts!
Thanks, I appreciate it 😊
Intellectual honesty. Love it.
Master Jigoro Kano, in search of a specific type of functionality adapted the original Jujutsu to create Judo, so did Ueshiba with Daito Ryu to create Aikido. Helio Gracie took the same Judo from Jigoro Kano and seeking to adapt it to his own needs, he created the Brazilian Jiujitsu. Many martial artists in pursuit of the ultimate martial sport have come together to create Mixed Martial Arts. That is called evolution, and evolution never stops. Martial arts evolve like all human activity. To think that the current state of martial arts is the maximum, last and final, is to be very naive. Basically you are saying to people: "stop looking, stop thinking, everything is already solved, all solutions are given, there is nothing more to find." Basically according to you, we must leave the current status quo intact. You do not realize that this restlessness, that desire to search more and more within an art is not only something intrinsically human and natural, but it is what produces the constant evolution of things. If Jigoro Kano had not questioned things and had not risked changing his style, Judo did not exist. Hélio Gracie could simply find a way to make himself stronger in order to be more effective in Mitsuyo Maeda Judo, so there would be no BJJ. If no athlete or promoter had questioned the status quo of Martial Arts in the 90s, there would be no MMA. Keep looking for growth and evolution in your styles, or in various styles, the future is written day by day, the fact that some take the easy path does not mean that everyone should follow that path.
I feel like often the discussion of "fixing" non-functional styles tends to start with the premise that a style of fighting should be relevant within the current meta. With that premise the result is often that you take the functional aspects of a given style and add or modify the rest until you have MMA, it follow that the answer is that it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel if all you're going to do is make a less effective wheel.
If you consider the premise as flawed, that styles aren't meant to be functional within the current meta, it frees the drive to "fix" it. You do run into the question of trying to define a meta where the style is effective, or presume an effective meta and correct the style to that, but that is frought with assumptions, inaccuracies, and debatable function. Really it leads to the question of "do you want to learn how to fight?" if you do there are a lot of good "non-functional/fantasy based"styles you want to avoid. If you don't care about fighting and just want to do something that looks cool, that is an athletic display, there are good "functional/reality-based" styles you'll likely want to avoid.
Know what you want, and know what you're getting.
The current meta. Most people wear the thinnest, least protective clothing they have ever had in Centuries and the weapons they are approached with are almost exclusively Knifes or Guns. You can't beat a Gun, and most Knife defense relied on you having either some kind of sword/buckler/ect and heavy clothing to somewhat dampen slices.
Take Akido, it was designed to be able to efficiently slice a dudes throat when you had the smaller sword because it assumed you would be going for the throat due to the armor of the time of it's relevance. The moment you stop trying to dislocate the arm of the guy you are throwing, so he can't protect himself from your sword; is the moment that the art stops being useful.
But the current meta doesn't have to be MMA or like MMA. Few fights I had as a doorman looked like MMA.
@@linojakobsen7737 I don't doubt it. Did you need to be a competitively competent fighter for those altercations?
@@64Northern1 No, I was always rather bad in compettitons. First because I really need a good reason to be willing to risk hurting somebody. Second, because what I had to train for sports was to 80% what I needed the least for real life situations, so I'd rather spend 100% on what I needed and be less good at sports.
I kept picking the good stuff of Karate and kept my focus on that. The tournament karate guys didn't recognize it as karate any more although it certainly was.
the real aikido guy, please visit the inosanto academy and make a video about it ! a martial artists dream to visit
I believe the key is first knowledge of how to be a selfless person.
Anyone know if that video of the old master sparring is available anywhere?
@Nigel Sanford Ah, I think I found it. Thanks!
Hi, I've watched many of your videos over the months. I just wanted to ask you, what is your definition of 'Functional'. It is a phrase that you always use and I am just curious about what context you are referring to. I find that sometimes you use it in the context of combat sport and sometimes you use it in the context of street self defence. My opinion is that they are different contexts and that 'functional' has a different meaning for them both.
No hate here, man. I have enjoyed your content. Keep it up.
Just for context. I learn and teach a style of Filipino Martial Arts.
I think that "functional" is something that can be adapted and used in both situations.
In the end, regardless if it's sport or self defence, your aim is to "win"( _what changes here are the conditions to "win" in which case with the_ *sport is either a knockout of your adversay or winning by points* _, or in the case of_ *self-defence is getting away from an encounter either 100% intact* _(or mostly intact) or_ *making your adversary unable to attack you* ).
in most scenarios, what works in a combat sport will work in a street self defence. at least much better then more traditional style points sparring martial arts
Aikido as a "martial yoga" practice doesn't need saving if it doesn't claim to teach functional self-defense. Big problem if it does. But it begs the question: why would someone want to make it functional? Because there is a something true about it's goal: to cultivate the kind of mindset that can prevent conflict before it starts - and the kind of skillset that can resolve it in a non-violent manner if it does. One could say that any martial art could have this goal, but few structure training between uke and nage (offense and defense) where defense does not "attack" but instead attempts to "blend" with the attack and stop the fight with minimal damage to the attacker. Fewer still speak to core values like self-awareness, harmony, peace, compassion, or even love. Certainly any functional grappling art could be used to attain this outcome much better than Aikido (early BJJ vale tudo matches may come closest to this in reality), but most are competitive sports that have very little to do with meditation, eastern philosophy, non-violent communication, or somatic psychology! Aikido has always been a martial arts for people interested in personal growth in psychological and spiritual sense. Too bad it doesn't live up to its truth claims as a "martial" art...and so it is rightly lumped in with all the other new-age offerings...
the bugbear i have with this perspective is what a person perceives as "functional" or "real" is strictly limited by their OWN abilities. Let me paint an example using MMA's rapid evolution. I remember in the early 00s period MMA fighters were claiming, vehemently, that head movement (bobbing, slipping, weaving and so on....a fundamental skill in boxing, which you all obviously regard as "functional" and "real") in MMA "doesnt work because of the risk of knees and kicks"- !!! - this is in spite of the fact that kickboxing, both western and Muay Thai, had been a thing long before the UFC, and some of its best fighters were renowned for their evasive maneuvers. And look at the UFC today - so many fighters now have very good head movement and defensive skills learned from boxing. so of course, it wasn't that these skills didnt actually work in the context of MMA, it was simply a projection of the inability of earlier era MMA fighters and their rock-em-sock-em robot standup stylings. And that changed very rapidly, all it took was a few guys to break that mold and show what could be done, and then quickly it became standardized. Point here is, one should be careful not to construe "i cant do this myself" with the generalized projection of "this doesnt work". A great deal many people in that same mid 00s era in MMA regarded karate as a joke, an actual joke. Then Lyoto Machida came along and suddenly people were taking shotokan seriously again. And its not like lyoto is just a "karate background" and fights like any other MMA fighter, he fights almost identically as he did in his point fighting days, including favoring some of the same sweeps and counter throws, techniques that certainly were not common in MMA at the time, and still aren't.
Can't wait until you have that talk with Leo Tamaki, even some sparring if possible. I think he understands what many do not.
Opinions please, my Sensei is a Shotokan practioner as well as an Aikido one. I learn both from him, he had learned Aikido in his later years and i feel like i have learnt good body mechanics from them in combination, (i have learnt them separately in different classes), in a fight i can effectively ground fight and then there are instances where i can apply my aikido into certain positions, where Aikido is effective for me, thoughts? (My sensei has never been a bullshido artist, his shins can prove it hahaha), i am 18 and i have trained at varying other Gyms, i am also going to enrol in wrestling or bjj.
Shotokan is a BRUTAL Sport! Their only weakness is no head shots. Those guy's bodies are freaking trees, though!
Aikido was taught and adapted in the US Police and Military for many years due to it's obvious techniques in that line of work.
I say again after my second BJJ classes I realized that I needed to continue to practice Aikido because of how extremely dangerous my attitude is! Also because of the embarrassment of a hard art philosophy couse me I will take my chances caring a combat cane and training in both Aikido and BJJ/kickboxing
What is the name of this Grand Master Sword man in the Philippines?
Antonio Ilustrisimo
Hey I got a question I left karate about a year ago due to a knee injury I’m healed now and was thinking about going back to get my black belt (I’ve done it for 4 years and I’d need to go for another year) and once I’m done I was going to go to either BJJ or Judo, I know you like BJJ more but I think I would like Judo more so my question is there a style that mixes the takedowns and grappling of judo with the defensive aspect of BJJ. Thanks
Hello. Judo as it is practised today is focused on the Olympic games aspect, which is takedowns. The groundfighting from Judo is what was preserved and perfected in BJJ since BJJ comes from Judo. You're better off wrestling if you can do it. But wrestling is hard on an ageing body.....
Hope this helps and all the best.....
@@irb911 Isn't the goal of wrestling to pin the other guy. The throws that I like most from Judo are the ones where you throw the guy and remain standing.
Love this channel, but I’ve developed two questions that I’d love answered:
1) What about someone who wants to learn a martial art with a specific limitation? Like...you’re a high school security guard. Your job is to break up fights, but you can’t hit anyone. Is there a particularly specialized martial art that would be good for a situation like that?
2) Rokas talks a lot about what doesn’t work in MMA, but there you’re facing trained killers. Is it possible that some of these TMAs really do work against untrained opponents, who make up 99% of everyone in the streets?
Love to hear any thoughts.
If it works against trained killer why would you use anything else? Like Sheepdog Response said - You can't train like a b'tch and fight like a warrior... What would you use?
Dranik Nikdra oh for a thousand different reasons. One highly effective art might be a lot less efficient to learn, for example and the student may be pressed for time. Maybe your area doesn’t have a gym where an “effective” style is taught, but there is a tae kwon do place. Whatever. Should a person avoid karate class at all costs because karate hasn’t been as effective as Muay Thai when world class practitioners of each have gone head to head? Or would a decent karate fighter do well against an untrained assailant (99% of potential attackers), despite karate not being the highly refined fighting system that is modern MMA.
There are tons of non-fighting examples of this. You don’t have to learn to be Jimmi Hendrix in order to play guitar at a party, you don’t have to learn the worlds greatest painting techniques in order to be an above average artist. What I’m asking is, is it really fair to say that some martial art...krav maga or whatever...”doesn’t work” simply because it doesn’t work against the worlds greatest cage fighters? To me there’s a huge gap in that logic.
If it is actually the case that learning karate makes you NO BETTER (or evens worse!) at fighting, then I see someone saying that they “don’t work.” But “isn’t the best” and “doesn’t work” are two different things.
@@ricdimarco1499 You are right... In my oppinion they don't work... And that is not their biggest sin, you can still train them for fitness but they like to claim that they are effective even if they don't know anything about live sparing, and what effectiveness actually is. They just believe in traditional farry tails without any video or live prove... I was one of them, until I educated myself in effective martial arts. But that needs dedication, time and ego dropping... bjj is effective because it has a huge history of triale and error in real fights. And that is why cage fighters use that. If they could nock out someone with a chi, they will probably use that...
Dranik Nikdra what was your TMA? And do you find that it is truly useless? Like, did it help you against a meat head who wanted to harass you in an alley? Or was it really not helpful in that situation?
Rokas is back on track! Great discussion, great panel speakers. Thank you brother. A couple of things I want to comment on. Aikido will never look like a grappling art because it's not a grappling style. It's a throwing art with some arm and wrist locks. But the main core of it is throws. Also, you can't rescue an "art" per se. You just have to try and train the techniques effectively. There are very few major martial arts out there that teach techniques that are just plain useless. It's the application of those techniques. BJJ is a great example. The submissions and movement are nothing groundbreaking in themselves. The arm bar has been around for thousands of years. It's the Gracie training methodology that was the game changer. They turned Judo into a competitive ground grappling sport and focussed the training into how THEY felt it should be. This why BJJ beats traditional Judo when it comes to grappling. Look at a Judo book and in the "newaza" section all the ground movements are listed. BJJ just has a better methodology to get there. Another thing is the discussion on weapons. The study of the sword though great from an academic perspective is no use when talking about self defence or combat. Swords are obsolete as weapons. The human body will never become obsolete though.
Hello Rokas, I have a question for you. I am somewhat developing my "own" martial art(I live in Denmark a country where most mma, muay thai and pratical martial arts are frowned appon so I am trying to make a legit martial art that people will learn know how to defend themselves), I have a background Japanese juijitsu(1840's), muay thai and mma background and Looking to make my own form of "japanese" jiu jitsu wich has it's focus on the three importent wazza's atemi, te and ukemi wazza, but with alot of focus on not Looking to keep it "clean" as some people imply. Would love to talk into the details with anyone.
I've has the idea of mixing functional hand to hand martial arts with things like Hema (Historical European Martial Arts) but adding in modern weapons as well. The idea I had was to make a school based around survival tactics and gorilla warfare, for zombie apocalypse type scenarios. You know like what ninjutsu is supposed to be but isn't.
@@stevenoconnor3256 cool idea, it's very nice to know others want to try to make Something new. I hope you find luck with this
MMA can be any combo. I trained Muay Thai and BJJ after earning my second degree black belt in Karate. Karate has all the same techniques as Muay Thai and then some however BJJ is different it is not stand up striking it is ground so now I am back to Karate and also training BJJ, however I will say Muay Thai has influenced the way I train and teach Karate. There are a number or very good Karate/BJJ MMA fighters like Machida, Bas Rutten and GSP
Karate has the same techs as muay thai? Dude, you got robbed.
the closest combat sport to aikido other than hatenkai and tomiki aikido is sumo... there are many aikido techniques in there... i didnt even know they were aikido, but there is a video that shows the similarities... altho, sumo happens at much closer range and much more violently
The real version of any martial art is the version of it that spars. The issue I take with your attempt to rescue Aikido, is that you never got around to doing the traditional type of Aikido that spars (Shodokan/Tomiki), and the critics at SBG reviewing video of Tomiki Aikido was as close as you got to trying it. When the "Slap of Truth" happened I had to ask myself "did Cyan do any Aikido?" This then led me to the question "if Rokas never tried Shodokan, did he ever really do a martial art version of Aikido?"
Wait a minute, isn’t that what Aiki-Jujutsu was for? Isn’t Aikido just a less lethal variation of said style? I thought you would’ve known that already.
Aikido is the worst variation style of Aiki-Jujutsu.
Aikido Training is designed to Teach Aiki Jitsu in a way with little to no Risk of Broken Bones and to allow People who chose Exercise over Fighting to Learn Self Defense if they chose to Apply the Techniques in that Fashion but nobody can just learn the Power of Aikido in a situation where everybody else is Doing Aerobic Exercise and not Practicing With the Effort to increase the Powerful Throwing Techniques or Learning to Avoid the Throws by Anticipated Cheating of these Techniques which you will find in any Martial Arts not just Aikido if MMA FIGHTERS and UFC FIGHTERS practiced with partial Effort to Fight then There would be NO SPECTATORS at ALL and then it would be Laughable to Watch Most passerbys would think that it was a GAY LOVE AFFAIR
Should you try to build a house made out of glass when bricks and lumber are readily available?
Good way to say it :)
Why not when you have iconic buildings like the Shard and the Gherkin? 🤷🏻♂️
It's not the material that's the problem it's how it's used.
Aikiflow if you spend time practicing a martial art, then find yourself in a physical confrontation against an avg joe, not an individual who trains....and(provided there isn’t some ridiculous size difference, the person isn’t on drugs, it’s just your run of the mill confrontation) the amount of effort it takes to come out on top stands at stark odds with your time spent training....then you’ve wasted your time.
An 4 stripe white belt(about 9 months of training for 2 hrs about 3 times a week) will fuck a lot of regular people up. If you’re practicing something for 10 years and can’t take down the town drunk absent a pitched brawl then you’ve wasted a decade.
@@lordnarasimha2500 I've done over a decade of aikido. I've sparred with BJJ blue belts in the past and have managed pretty well. So I'm happy enough. You are right in terms of time frames I'll agree on that. However longevity wise I've seen way more BJJ practitioners injured through training than aikidoka (not to say it doesn't happen). Therefore personally I rather look at the long term rather than short term but I understand why people would choose not to.
@@AlexanderGent and you guys suck at using yours don't kid your self
"until eventually I realized that Aikido does not live up to what it promises". I find it hard to believe that Aikido spoke to you and said "I promise you something" as it`s not an entity. Instead of trying to "correct" it , how about you find a new name an make something new and stop using Aikido as a description cause you obviously don`t get what the name means yet.
something that isn't really discussed in this topic: does a martial art have to be complete to be functional? If you're trying to make your art fit into every niche, then you'll obviously just end up with MMA, so maybe it would be a better idea to save an art by optimizing it for the niche it was meant for anyway?
Exactly. Aikido is basically about avoiding confrontation, MMA the opposite. To each his own i guess. Everybody is trying to "teach" to Aikido what it should do. It`s pretty funny to see tbh
I think any martial art can be made functional.. as long as we can still pinpoint the moment in time it went wrong(often not possible because lack of written and archeological sources). It is obvious that a style would never develop or gain popularity in it's inception if it would have not been a usable style. Also it was never rigid, stealing better working moves for other masters was common (styles were not .. really styles YET. They were more like.. xyz master's moves). Remeber, almost all styles were invented way before youtube, and a big portion of them predates functional firearms. Their mere existance, that they stood the pass of time is proof that at some point in time, they worked. If you can not "remaster" to use a gaming term a style to be working again, it means there was a rupture in technique somewhere in the past that determined the downfall of the style. @Martial Arts Journey Rokas Maybe a new, historical approach could render some positive results. We all know that people nowdays are not training or working hard labour like knights and mellee/early musket weapon era soldiers, so we can not simply state "train like the old battlefields". A martial arts scholar should seek the granularity
I have been loooong time researching this theme. traditional martial arts ,funcionality and similar.
I will share my conclusion for i have come but let me first introduce myself.
I am ninjutsu practicioner, bushcraft and survival master, street,bare hands,weapon and manipulation fighter.I studied many martial arts but i am master of myself.But i am not that great as it looks, that is just fancy words.
here is my conclusion:
Just on thing;dont get me wrong.I dont say ninjutsu is martial art it is black ops art&discipline. Like guerilla warfare and special forces.But in ninjutsu we have ko ryu and similar. fighting systems.Is it martial art system is under your opinion.And sorry for bad english.
So, a lot of people today after researching this theme, or start training several others arts; like bjj,mma,wrestling and smlr; or continue practicioning their martial art for fun or spar or whatever mix of all that people can make.
I realised fighting isnt on style or technique
it is on principles. Every martial art and style from firsts like kalaripayatu to newest like kalos agon or similar,everywhere, lays on principles. Mix of quantity and quality of each principle is what separates them. But principles can be summarized to a few.First, why is old prototype or whatever that japanese and chinese martial arts can easy defeat anyone on west or europe. Remember old cartoons. Somebody think he/she is best and everything. But then japanese "jutsu" guy comes and beats him easy. Example from Asterix. examples you can find everywhere; mysterious cool martial style comes and ez win. But in every fancy story and thing (i wonr say lie so somebody wont get offended, peace guys)there is a little truth. No i am not japanese i live in europe but there is truth. Before few centuries if eastern man comes to europe he can really beat that guy who eat tons of meat ( no offense to anyone but eating too much especially meat is not healthy and can be dangerous)and who beated all villagers in 20miles around (with no hygiene, east people had good hygiene )so he think he is good. (The dark centuries)Why? The main reason: DISCIPLINE - THE FIRST AND ONE OF MAIN PRINCIPLES. It is not tehnique that much, european mans have developed sorts of boxing and wrestling that can be effective; yet it ìs DISCIPLINE that eastern arts have.Oh that river is soo cold lets just pass it by the bridge. The person with self discipline at high level would be on other side drying clothes of swimming. You dont need to pass the rivers and i know you wont but similar things you can find in your home or neighbourhood.
Second main principle and one of hardest is HUMILITY. You cant be effective and have functionality if you cant be humble.REMEMBER THAT.(cc. Jocko )
Other principles can be summarized to these sentences.
0.Get a gun,or run or if you want...choose fight.You dont always fight when is life at stake.
1.It is not speed that matters, it is timing (cc. Bruce Lee)Perfect timing in hundredth part of milisecond. Over ages you can lose speed but not timing(cc. Hatsumi sensei)
2. Speed. Yes Speed. Now when you realised true potential of timing its time to realise that u cant go without speed(cc. B. Lee) Be faster than thought.Your thought should be faster than you. Again controversal Kai? No just learn it as I said.There ia truth inside it. I did not made those, i have found,tested and researched them.
3.Focus. Research what is low latent inhibition. Analyse faster than the light. Remember all of that.Forever.In your hard memory. (cc.Guitar mastery yt). Question yourself: how it can be utilized.
4. Dont fight with style(or tehnique). Style a fight.(cc. EOSD ,Hopkinsville)Make lifestyle by your fight.Fight Lifestyle. Art lifestyle.
5.Learn to read Body language. Always manipulate people around with Body language.Nobody should know anything about you and your feelings besides what you want them to know. It works. Your eye look. Sometimes you can just won fight by it. How? Learn it man.Contact someone?You will never learn from goals you accomplished, you will learn it from journeys to them.
6.Learn to control pain and your emotions.
You should be able to take punches. Charge yourself with rage from it. NEVER RAGE. Take energy from that trash that makes humans unusable revenge animals and dont use it. Never fight raged and so much angry.
8.Harden your body....However just fight with stone to be stone. You understand me. If you dont just dislike and go.
9. Practice.
10. Now you know all that. Yes now you can go to tehnique. You can find fight art martial tehnique and style. Just choose. People reccomend Bjj ,mma , wrestling,and similar for self defense as most effective.I reccomend something other. Be like your movie,game,show or cartoon hero.Or someone you made up. If you passed the journey trough all 11. you already can defeaf lot of people. If you have an goal You can defeat almost anyone who doesnt have better or similar ideal. Maybe you didnt add muscles to your made up hero. So you start bodybuilding until you are strong enough to do some things and win some battles aganist heavier opponent. Or you added them too much and you didnt think about tehnique. so you go to mma gym and learn some moves. You already know principles, tehnique is thing of practice nothing much for you. Just try to make perfect hero to you...if you lost ... try to fix him, see what people in comments think about that and that... maybe you need some iado drills for finesse, or some aikido if your opponent never goes to ground; oh no you learned to get someone on ground but other opponent got up and beat you on the ground. Maybe now its time to find your old bjj friend and do some sparring and go with him to his training, ask him, examples, ask youtube , people in comment sections, than spar with that opponent again and kill him with ur new knowledge then you lost your next fight, and next and next and you ask urself whyy ?? isnt my hero perfrct. Then u realise u think you are someone and you lost one of mains: humility. Yeah then you fix that, oh noo you lost again, does it work?Ah you were so much emotional you didnt manage to control your body language. So you fix that. MAKE MISTAKES TO LEARN FROM THEM.
OH YOU HAVE PROBLEM- you dont have all that opponents...like me ..
a) If you live next to forest or similar like me; harmonize with it. Nature harmonized heroes with mastering all that principles can easy beat almost anyone. Because you train on nature not on opponent . Also you can try 8. principle and fight with nature really verbatum... fight with wood and stone and animals.Live in peace. Looks controversal but its truth.
b) if you dont have enough opponents but u dont have any nature close... Then you do all same but not fighting yet but learning. You dont need to fight with someone to realise bad side of your hero and goal, you can realise talking with people on social networks, reading books and thinking- meditating.
I DONT WANNA OFFEND ANYONE.I DONT SAY ALL THIS IS FULLY BEST WAY TO SEE and show TRUTH.WE CAN DISCUSS EVERY PART OF THIS TEXT i am open for it and for contacting.
I CAME TO SHARE MY EFFORT FROM COLLECTING OTHER PEOPLE FIGHT LIFE TRUTHS. Should I say "have a nice day , artist (warrior)" or just "have a nice day" it depends on you.
keep up
lmao fight with animals that looks strange
Some, not all, but some of these uneffective martial arts, are actually very effective in the right circumstances. Aikido as an example is not a fist to cuffs combat system. It’s not a weapons system per say. It’s an I’ve dropped, lost, no longer have my katana blade in my hand and my enemy still has his, what do I do? Aikido, works well there. Where the movements might be quite large and slow compared to a jab. Where you have a chance of catching a sword hand or pulling some one off balance. Works great against a person with a baseball bat. I know from personal experience. Aikido can work, in the context that it was developed for. In 20 years when they finally develop light sabers people will be complaining that kendo techniques don’t work against a light saber. Because Kendo isn’t designed for that context, against that weapon. Hard to block a weapon that cuts through your sword without slowing down. “No can defend.” Karate, taekwondo, Kung-fu, etc.... work great in the context, in the situation they were designed for. Outside of those contexts and situations, not so much. You have to decide what you think you might one day need and train for that. Some situations MMA, does not work in. It’s not bad, it’s just not the right place for it there. You can not train for everything.
No. Aikido doesn't work against Katana or whatsoever. Jiujitsu does.
Ismail Is The Name well, I was using Aikido as an example.... jujitsu works. It’s what it was designed for. Aikido actually does work in that context. Which is my point. In the right context in the right situation the right martial art will work.
@@GBlues1,
You should say like 'some of its techniques'. Not all mate. I can make some of those techniques from Aikido work because I'm already pretty good at Wrestling, Judo and BJJ.
Aikido in general or by itself? It doesn't work.
Ismail Is The Name your right. In a street fight, hand to hand Aikido doesn’t work. Against a guy trying to knock your head off with a baseball, it works. You can blend, you can take his balance, you can throw him using an Aikido technique. That’s what Aikido was actually designed to defend against. A weapon similar to a katana blade. You can argue the point all you want, but it’s not going to change the fact, that everyone is trying to put a square peg in a round hole. It doesn’t work where people want it to, because it was never meant for that situation. Period. End of story. It’s like BJJ, one to one, it works great. But if his buddy jumps in your in deep shit. It doesn’t work there.
@@GBlues1,
Why bother learning Aikido if you could use other functional arts to take out a guy with a baseball bat? Aikido was created by O-Sensei in order for one to train in harmony without violence. Do you a video of yourself doing some sorts of training? Other than video games.
Where are you from? This looks very much like Russia.
Well if carlos Gracie follow this logic , bjj would never existed . but i got u it s easy for people to practice what already working
Seems like these guys have a different message than you do, Rokas. They are talking about fighting. Are you talking about fighting or self-defense? Seems like you are talking about self-defense. That said, what do you mean by functional and effective? In a fight or in a self-defense situation? What’s the difference?
Please answer the question I keep asking most of all? Why did you think The Way of Harmony was going to teach you to be disharmonious? The founder literally wrote the book “The Art of Peace.” Why did you think it would teach you to be a great fighter?
Aikido by itself will not work in fighting or self defense situation. That pretty much answered your question.
Ismail Is The Name No, I don’t believe it has. I also don’t believe you are correct. My own experience says otherwise.
But my main question is why Rokas is mad that The Art of Peace, The Way of Harmony, didn’t turn him into a badass MMA fighter? Clearly by the name, it should have...
I ask as his whole identity here seems built on this idea that Aikido is bad and it mislead him. That it isn’t effective in a real situation blah blah blah stress testing. But if it’s really about self defense, wouldn’t not fighting be the best result? Aikido teaches this.
It’d be like me pissing and moaning about BJJ not teaching me inner peace and harmony.
@@Baritoneewart,
You should watch the whole video of his. Aikido by itself doesn't work. Period. O Sensei created this art for a way to train without violence. You wanna fight? Go and learn Karate, Judo or Jiujitsu. Not Aikido.
I don't take anecdotal for a fact. Sorry mate. I know this because I'm a martial artist myself. I have my own contents on my account.
Anyways, i can see that you have a talent for singing. You sound great mate. Really.
Ismail Is The Name Thanks for the compliments! I disagree that Aikido doesn’t work. It depends on what you use it for. If you mean in the MMA ring, you are probably right. No martial art in the MMA ring works by itself. Hence MMA being mixed martial arts. My issue is really with Rokas being upset that The Way of Harmony didn’t teach him to be a fighter. Kinda silly premise that he doesn’t acknowledge. He blames Aikido for promising him something, by it’s very nature, cannot promise. My secondary issue is his assertion that Aikido won’t train you for self-defense. This is false. Aikido teaches a great many things about relationships between people, distance, timing, fitness, and an overall awareness with those around you. I was a bouncer for a time, really helped. Also helped when I lived in Chicago on several occasions.
The point is, I don’t agree with the assertion that a martial art has to be effective in the ring for it to be an effective tool for self-defense as self-defense has farther reaching implications than physical combat. I don’t agree that Aikido doesn’t live up to it’s promises. Rather, many other people try to state that Aikido promises things it does not and unreasonably criticizes it. Like the two gentlemen in this video, but even more so with Rokas. So I’m gonna keep stating the same until Rokas owns up to his faults. Something he touts with great pride. Just not in this instance when there isn’t anyone or anything else to blame.
Also, you look like a beast. Way to work hard!
Every martial art has a function, each one has a strength and weakness and we have come to realise that cross training is the most effective way. However I don't think we should judge an art based on if it works in a fight there are arts that work for self defence and others are more for health and well being. I will never say you should not do Akido because its useless it has it function I just wouldn't take it for self defense
If some "art" has no function in fighting, then it is not martial art. Aikido fails as martial art because it has nothing in "martial".
If you want health and well-being, do what ever you want, just do not say it is martial art.
@@GuitarsRockForever aikido does not work against a trained opponent but against an average Joe? Its better than nothing. I'm not well versed in aikido history but I think it was used to disarm a swordsman I could be completely wrong. If you mix some basic strikes In there it could be used more effectively. I don't think it's useless just there are better systems to prepare for self defence.
I took Aikido for Self Defense and found out that a Majority of the Members are only interested in the Aerobics part of Aikido and won't practice Aikido as a form of Self Defense meaning that it's not the Art of Aikido that has Failure but of the Students that practice Aikido half Hearted and refused to Build the Defensive Aspects of the Art 90% of ALL Martial Artists practice Every Martial Art as a Exercise Only and pay very little attention to Practical Application for Self Defense but that doesn't mean that the Martial Arts don't work for Self Defense it means People don't want to Fight because Aikido is Joint Locks that are designed to literally Brake Bones and Smash you Head First into Hard Surfaces not Pretend Play cochie chochie with People who want GAMES it just doesn't work as a POINTS GAME
@@keithcove154 akido biggest issue is that the techniques aren't tested against resistance the way judo or bjj is
@@DanielSmith-pq4yc It's the Fault of the Student not the Art of Aikido that Creates an Ineffectual Practice of Aikido not the Techniques of Aikido if a Baseball Player only Practiced hitting the Ball and just Walked to each Base what would become of the Sport of Baseball would anyone every make it to FIRST BASE by Walking after Hitting the Ball ?
martial arts Journey one more thing can a civilian learn mcmap an order military martial arts without joining the military
Bujinkan is crap. That's for sure.
@@lionsden4563 listen all I'm asking is can civilians learn military martial arts like Marine Corps martial arts program modern Army combatives program and others without joining the military
@@gerardocovarrubias1127,
Listen. How old are you?
@@lionsden4563 He's talking about the US Marine self defense system. It's technically a MMA.
@@gerardocovarrubias1127 ua-cam.com/video/C2aIwJcMBjU/v-deo.html
I'm reading the comments and its unbelievable how they just spent an hour on this topic. People are determined to try and say it's the practitioner fault. Let's keep it real people because they keep saying MMA and BJJ is just sport and not street. The funny thing is when these street tactics people spar they look like bad MMA and BJJ. So my question is why look like something you claim your not ??? If I claim I'm not sport then when I spar I need too look like Akido, krav maga, or what ever I'm advertising. If I'm going to spar and look like bad MMA why not just train MMA and look good in sparring doing it??? Let your ego gooooo and follow truth. Do not be loyal to a lineage, or a so called sifu be loyal to truth. And stop lying to yourself and people and go spar some MMA and BJJ practioneers and stop hiding behind phantasy martial arts.
Good comment.
It is practitioners fault at times and thereby teachers. There's a world of difference between competitive Wing Chun and McDojo Wing Chun. If you want competitive then go look at Ip Man Cup. It's basically kickboxing rules and they have no need to step outside their own competitions. A few have in fact crossed over for Kickboxing and Sanda style comps. The dude named Qi La La is a good example here.
Don't go hating. It's just the damn truth.
@@i-evi-l,
What he meant was do not be loyal to the lineage or the sifu. Be loyal to the truth.
@@lionsden4563 thank you for understanding my point. Again when those type of martial arts practioneers get smacked with the truth. They start trying to pointing to these movies and all that nonsense . I say again if you are wing Chun or any other style but not sport. When you spar I want to see that wing Chun, Akido or what ever you promote . Dont look like sport or bad MMA.
@@i-evi-l I know I know it's the student. I know I know it's the fake mcdojo sifu. The martial arts that dont have clinch and ground to make you more well rounded is never the blame. Truth is always last but loyalty is always first. But again I highly suggest if any of you're martial arts work with real resistance send a video of showing it working in all ranges of combat with full gear on going all out. Please show every one how it looks in full resistance.
Aikido is not a martial arts. Its a form of coreographed dance based on martial arts. So, we have try to appreciate it that way. Perhaps you could be an aikidoka and martial artist the same time but it would be like a soldier who likes doing tango.
Agree with you. I don't have a problem with Aikido as it is. I have a problem with people claiming that it is a deadly art.
US Military and Police were taught Aikido for years, and still has techniques integrated from Aikido. You know what happens when you can't tumble out? It hurts like hell.
@@i-evi-l,
That's too bad. Luckil for us, the Royal British Army and Metropolitan Police were thought Boxing, Judo and modern CQC, instead of Aikido.
@@lionsden4563 Modern CQC came directly from Aikido. Ffs
@@i-evi-l perhaps you can teach aikido to everyone, but for what purpose? Maybe aikido is good for concentration or to avoid unnecessary violence through the practice of patience, calmness, etc. The military or the police teaches its recruits other things beside aikido which are practically more usefull to perform their tasks and serve their functions. In the real world, people either block or hit you back instead of doing ukemi for your techniques.
Martial arts journey I know I hated too many times but look people call Wing Chun not good for self-defense or street fighting but that's wrong it works it all depends on the practitioner what I'm saying is that every martial art works
"every martial art works" is a big statement :) I would advise watching the whole talk, Matt and Burton cover this subject quite well
@@MartialArtsJourney that's what I'm saying there is no strongest or weakest martial art Wing Chun and every martial art works for self-defense and street fighting it all depends on the practitioner and how much time he puts into it
@@MartialArtsJourney it also can civilians learn military martial arts like movincool modulates problem Modern Army combatives program and others
@@gerardocovarrubias1127,
Damn kid. You're on all over UA-cam promoting your Wing Chun or Bujinkan thingy. What's wrong with you? Lol!
If you have to defend your martial art online by saying its the practitioner and bla bla bla I've got some bad news for you buddy. Go spar a boxer or kickboxer in a real full contact setting and see how it goes
You might as well just come out and make a statement that MMA and BJJ are supposedly superior to every other martial art and just have it done with. I think that would be the finale to your content right there. All hail mma and bjj, the only 2 functional martial arts. Say it dude. I know you are itching to.
Pff... Poor comment :) No real intellectual substance or value
Well that's actually very close to the truth bas some exceptions
Yes. MMA is superior to TMA. There. I've said it Doodle. Anything else? Lol!