My 4 the Fallen is my favorite. I love the sound when you barrel it up! My ASA Genesis is great too, but the ball just flies better with the Fallen. I'm sure its because it's 27.5 with a full ounce endload, compared to a 26 with a half ounce. Either way those bats are money!
My brother has had 3 of these bats. And they all broke the same way. Honestly, performance wise, I don't think they stack the same as a krecher. You seem to have to swing way harder and the ball just doesn't jump off the bat the same. I'll be Interested to see the velo test and where this stacks in your top 5. Nice to see more ASA bats being tested! Can't wait to see the worth powercell and the Cole Campbell "the grand."
That’s crazy man! I have been hitting nothing but harder evil bp rockets with mine with zero issues. But it's 115 here in AZ. The barrel does feel incredible though. You swing your Fiend yet? That one might change your mind about M5.
What balls do you use in your games. I’m in a League we’re we don’t test bats just wanna find the best ball to use that flys I have the new 2023 DeMarini red 240 and the 2021 watermelon 240 and the 2022 worth krecher long barrel 240
Love the sound, love the feel, buuuuut just performance is not there in my opinion. It’s not juiced at all, but it’s my favorite ASA bat because it’s very good for keeping the ball in the park
@@slowpitchbros heck yeah they have, swung a beat in Dead Silence and it was light years ahead lol. I still love the bat, it’s my go to ASA for cutting the ball
The TPS and TPZ were alright a couple years ago, but nothing super crazy. Hopefully this ends up better considering how great LS does with some of their Utrip and fast pitch bats
So excited when I saw a review come through and then I saw it was this bath that's been out since the beginning of the season. Show us one of the new genesis 2 that just released. Like the Baseball Town or the South Beach. Thx 😊
Those are both UTrip bats, everyone knows Louisville Utrip bats are Top Tier. Im pretty sure they want to incorporate more ASA content as well, especially to see what can compete with Monsta. This is their first review of Louisville's new ASA tech and bats.
Will, you can still get M2s. For example, All American Athletics has a new Get Nutz 3 that is M2 tech. They're still out there, just not directly from Monsta.
@@mikereyes4283 No it isn't. I have one right in front of me. I have all 3 right in front of me. My Get Nutz is M2. My Get Nutz 2 is M3. My Get Nutz 3 is M2.
That’s nuts. I almost went with a Battleground, but opted for the utrip DOMN8 instead. Glad i made that choice being that i play ASA/USA league and that bat would’ve been useless to me.
Thats a classic M spec ball. If you have to swing an ASA stamped bat, look for a dual stamp bat, and get ready to do some serious BP. The ASA only bats will likely break super quick with the harder ball.
Could you do a review on the Torch mutated 25oz EL? I have been playing for a while and want to elevate my game. I recently bought the mutated and don’t have the ability to do bp to break it in and just want to know what I should expect. It’s a M4 torch
Geraint, The 10 year history of the Evil ball confirms that to be true. 1 bat breaking in the hands of a semi Pro baseball guy in over a year of reviews with Evils would indicate that its not the ball
The tech inside the genesis is very similar to that of monsta tech but the issue is that it breaks very easily. The fastpitch louisville slugger meta uses the same tech and is also known to be fragile. In fact, i got a whole pile of them from a fastpitch team that ran through them in off season practice because they all broke
Not sure where you’re hearing that, but That’s very incorrect information. One is a non linear bat design, and one is linear. Two completely different ways of designing an asa bat. One can be swung hard, and has little flex, and one has a lot of flex. One has a floating inner barrel, and one does not. They’re far from being similar.
@@SoftballPaul i an not hearing this from anyone. I've opened up and analyzed these bats myself. All non- linear means that the barrel walls have different degrees of stiffness which both the monsta and LS have so technically they're both non linear, although that claim is contestable. The point i was making was that the cantilevered inner wall of the mash composite barrel system moves inside the bat on contact, much like how the FIB moves inside the bat. One is held in my foam, the other is connected to the outer wall at the throat
@@SoftballPaul non linear stiffness is a term that hinges on the premise that the walls will flex with equal resistance, but due to compression differences as a function of diameter, you'd have to make wall thickness different so that the balls deformation sees equal force when contacting both walls. In my testing, the mash composite system doesn't have this linear compression. Whether that's a LS mistake or a mistake in my calculations, idk but that's not the point. The point is that the inner barrel of both bats shift on contact. This is the similarity of tech
@@SoftballPaul also I'm not sure specifically what kind of flex you're talking about. If you're talking about the flex of the bat as it vibrates on the hands, the construction of the connection piece, handle shape and thickness, as well as the barrel play a part in that. If you're talking about the flex in the walls, that's different. Non- linear bats actually see an increase in distance for slower swing speeds as stated by WSU although i have some doubts about that when it comes to certain bats like many of the rawlings bbcors. I'll be doing my own testing on this next year once i can get back into the lab
I've swung the Genesis ASA loved it! But... you need to test out the Demarini Nihilist asa. I have the Red White and blue 12" (second one I've owned). Thought it was invincible and was hitting 44s in 5 degrees and got a slight crack.. These might need the best second most durable asa bats behind Anarchy, but have a better pop Out of wrapper. My current gamer even has a clack from the inner barrel.
As for the DNA Legacy I hated it OOW, being older and not having the swing speed of you younger guys I decided to take a chance. Hit the M5 with 44 cor ball for 80 plus swings. It changed and now is my gamer. Ran into a fella who asked me how I like the Legacy. Told him my experience and he too was on cuff to sell it. Well ran into him on the diamond again and it worked for him as well. Great video and will pull my Genesis out of box soon.
Haven't seen Will blow up other bats with those evil bp balls. I see him hit monstas all the time with um. Sorry Genesis is fragile as my 80 year old grandma's hip. Don't blame Evil over 1 glass bat when they been out for 10 years.
my ASA genesis felt great and I loved it right out of the gate BUT it didn't have the exit velo or distance as my Monsta and Onyx bats....its a really good asa bat but not great in my hands
Maybe you got a lemon? Seems like everyone else got this bat with way less production on the bat and no signs of durability. You come out with nukes and it lasts 10 swings.
These newer bats are such trash! Bring back the more durable bats from pre-2016 and hit any ball you want! Let the whole team swing em! Such a money racket!!!
Genesis vs Krecher?
I don't even play softball, I just love bat videos lol
My 4 the Fallen is my favorite. I love the sound when you barrel it up! My ASA Genesis is great too, but the ball just flies better with the Fallen. I'm sure its because it's 27.5 with a full ounce endload, compared to a 26 with a half ounce. Either way those bats are money!
My brother has had 3 of these bats. And they all broke the same way. Honestly, performance wise, I don't think they stack the same as a krecher. You seem to have to swing way harder and the ball just doesn't jump off the bat the same. I'll be Interested to see the velo test and where this stacks in your top 5. Nice to see more ASA bats being tested! Can't wait to see the worth powercell and the Cole Campbell "the grand."
I have had mine 6 months and nothing wrong with it. Very hot ASA bat.
Cant wait to see the exit speeds and durability with the right balls.
Worth supercell is supposed to be krecher repaint. Can y’all do that one?
What would be awesome would be to see an OG genny SB103 vs the new tech. There was a reason it didn't last in the ASA approval list.
Or the real og sb34 , they were sick, the sb103 was the replacement, sick bats back in the day
Can you do a review on the new Monsta USSSA Trippin Torch!!!!!!
Can you guys try out the new Vanilla Gorilla Bat?
I hope you guys break out some early 2000 bats
Would love to see a review of the Demarini Steel. It is under $300 and super available
The steel is for singlewall leagues where composite bats are not allowed
That’s crazy man! I have been hitting nothing but harder evil bp rockets with mine with zero issues. But it's 115 here in AZ. The barrel does feel incredible though. You swing your Fiend yet? That one might change your mind about M5.
Facts bro the fiend is legit
When is that Louisville vs. Monsta coming? 🙏🏻
Think you'll still make the Monsta v Louisville video?
Can we get a review of ASA Demarini Juggy 2024?
Im so glad i watched this, thank you!
@slowpitch bat bros were can I get this bat I can't find it on your website
I'm swinging the 4 the fallen and love the feel of it. Great freaking bat
I have the M2 Sinister woody 1 piece and I freaking love that bat!
What balls do you use in your games. I’m in a League we’re we don’t test bats just wanna find the best ball to use that flys I have the new 2023 DeMarini red 240 and the 2021 watermelon 240 and the 2022 worth krecher long barrel 240
Love the sound, love the feel, buuuuut just performance is not there in my opinion. It’s not juiced at all, but it’s my favorite ASA bat because it’s very good for keeping the ball in the park
the Monsta M2's must have spoiled you lol. This thing is fire!!
@@slowpitchbros what size bat and weight do you prefer to use?
@@slowpitchbros heck yeah they have, swung a beat in Dead Silence and it was light years ahead lol. I still love the bat, it’s my go to ASA for cutting the ball
The TPS and TPZ were alright a couple years ago, but nothing super crazy. Hopefully this ends up better considering how great LS does with some of their Utrip and fast pitch bats
Is the pyramid grip for sale?
Never did the M5 vs LS ASA
whats in the stick that you rub on the grip
I wonder what my 2014 Easton 3oz endload would hold against some of the 240’s
Can we get a 2022 freak 9r josh Riley review? Really interest in that bat!
would you go with watermelon 240 or genny 240 if you could get both
If the USSSA LS crack using 52s then what do you think would really happen with ASA LS? 🙄
So excited when I saw a review come through and then I saw it was this bath that's been out since the beginning of the season. Show us one of the new genesis 2 that just released. Like the Baseball Town or the South Beach. Thx 😊
Those are both UTrip bats, everyone knows Louisville Utrip bats are Top Tier. Im pretty sure they want to incorporate more ASA content as well, especially to see what can compete with Monsta. This is their first review of Louisville's new ASA tech and bats.
they're just repaints of the APG2 so there's no point
So what about 44/375 asa balls with these bats
Nope do not use
As long as Louisville will honor their warranty without hassle for these bats, I'd say it's worth the buy.
LS customer service is very good about that
You should do a video comparing all the genesis bats, apg2,marshburn,kb, Everett, etc
What size and weight bats do you prefer?
Where to guys buy your bats from?
So asa and utrip show down since Monsta in the utrip game 🤔🤔
I can’t wait to see your thoughts on the new USSSA Monsta Trippin Torch
How do I get that jersey? I remember HB had the baseball bat bros jersey but that’s a slowpitch one
Will, you can still get M2s. For example, All American Athletics has a new Get Nutz 3 that is M2 tech. They're still out there, just not directly from Monsta.
GN3 is m5
@@mikereyes4283 No it isn't. I have one right in front of me. I have all 3 right in front of me. My Get Nutz is M2. My Get Nutz 2 is M3. My Get Nutz 3 is M2.
Whoops you’re right I was thinking about the chief 3 which is M5
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Can you please do a review on the Louisville Genesis John Kings 26oz bat, I’ve only seen one review
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Man we need more videos
Can we get a video on the early 2000s worth PST MAX? 😄
you need to get a review out for one of the Easton Things they look like it would be a good review brotha!
I play in a league that uses worth hot dots. Would thus bat be good for those balls??
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
What do you guys think about Onyx bats no longer being approved for ASA/USA?
That’s nuts. I almost went with a Battleground, but opted for the utrip DOMN8 instead. Glad i made that choice being that i play ASA/USA league and that bat would’ve been useless to me.
@@dannyvillanueva8549 probably only temporary ban
@@blacksheepsoftball probably not
@@smash6667 forgot to edit this, but you're right
@@blacksheepsoftball Do you have any information other than the bats have been banned?
What about the Krecher? Where do you rank that ASA bat now?
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis and krecher bat. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
You say you can't buy M2's anymore, but Monsta has a couple woodgrain ones that say they're M2's, or are they???
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Love your videos man. Great job 🔥
Are we going to see a fiend vs gangreen?!?! Cause it needs to happen for sure!
That'd be awesome if you could review the Monsta Fiend and Gangrene if you get a chance.
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Anyone know how this would do with 250lb 40.cor softballs? Idk why but the league I play in changed the game balls last year.
Thats a classic M spec ball. If you have to swing an ASA stamped bat, look for a dual stamp bat, and get ready to do some serious BP. The ASA only bats will likely break super quick with the harder ball.
Mine lasted 3 weeks. They had none left so they sent me a TPS Inertia
Could you do a review on the Torch mutated 25oz EL? I have been playing for a while and want to elevate my game. I recently bought the mutated and don’t have the ability to do bp to break it in and just want to know what I should expect. It’s a M4 torch
they've already reviewed the M6 tech
Impressive. Hate 'The Rattle'. Sorry about the break. I'm racing to find that short!!!
I'm confused. I thought evil BP 52+ are designed to damage your bat less so you can do MORE BP with less durable bats?
Nah they play more like a 52/375
Geraint, The 10 year history of the Evil ball confirms that to be true. 1 bat breaking in the hands of a semi Pro baseball guy in over a year of reviews with Evils would indicate that its not the ball
So far is the Genesis USA your favorite over the Monsta bats of 2022?
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Oops . What should I do . I need an asa/USA bat ???
@@teampolysoftball got it . Thank you
You dropping those shirts?! 🔥
The tattoo nx3 52 cor are a little bit harder in my opinion too. They cracked one of my m2s
The game .52s arent that hard. If you were swinging the yellow and green spinners those are .44s
Try the miken freak primo ASA/USA.
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Where do u rate the ASA worth Krecher with these bats
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Any UTRIP MONSTA BATS OR THEY ALL ASA
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
The tech inside the genesis is very similar to that of monsta tech but the issue is that it breaks very easily. The fastpitch louisville slugger meta uses the same tech and is also known to be fragile. In fact, i got a whole pile of them from a fastpitch team that ran through them in off season practice because they all broke
Not sure where you’re hearing that, but That’s very incorrect information. One is a non linear bat design, and one is linear. Two completely different ways of designing an asa bat. One can be swung hard, and has little flex, and one has a lot of flex. One has a floating inner barrel, and one does not. They’re far from being similar.
@@SoftballPaul i an not hearing this from anyone. I've opened up and analyzed these bats myself. All non- linear means that the barrel walls have different degrees of stiffness which both the monsta and LS have so technically they're both non linear, although that claim is contestable. The point i was making was that the cantilevered inner wall of the mash composite barrel system moves inside the bat on contact, much like how the FIB moves inside the bat. One is held in my foam, the other is connected to the outer wall at the throat
@@SoftballPaul non linear stiffness is a term that hinges on the premise that the walls will flex with equal resistance, but due to compression differences as a function of diameter, you'd have to make wall thickness different so that the balls deformation sees equal force when contacting both walls. In my testing, the mash composite system doesn't have this linear compression. Whether that's a LS mistake or a mistake in my calculations, idk but that's not the point. The point is that the inner barrel of both bats shift on contact. This is the similarity of tech
@@SoftballPaul also I'm not sure specifically what kind of flex you're talking about. If you're talking about the flex of the bat as it vibrates on the hands, the construction of the connection piece, handle shape and thickness, as well as the barrel play a part in that. If you're talking about the flex in the walls, that's different. Non- linear bats actually see an increase in distance for slower swing speeds as stated by WSU although i have some doubts about that when it comes to certain bats like many of the rawlings bbcors. I'll be doing my own testing on this next year once i can get back into the lab
I've swung the Genesis ASA loved it! But... you need to test out the Demarini Nihilist asa. I have the Red White and blue 12" (second one I've owned). Thought it was invincible and was hitting 44s in 5 degrees and got a slight crack.. These might need the best second most durable asa bats behind Anarchy, but have a better pop Out of wrapper. My current gamer even has a clack from the inner barrel.
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Can someone tell me the brand of batting gloves they use?
Bruce bolts
This puts the theory of hitting harder balls to rest!
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
We gotta check one out, hella good review! 🙏🏽
U should hit with the new usssa monsta
i still love the Krecher.
As for the DNA Legacy I hated it OOW, being older and not having the swing speed of you younger guys I decided to take a chance. Hit the M5 with 44 cor ball for 80 plus swings. It changed and now is my gamer. Ran into a fella who asked me how I like the Legacy. Told him my experience and he too was on cuff to sell it. Well ran into him on the diamond again and it worked for him as well. Great video and will pull my Genesis out of box soon.
Not much in the ASA space, bat sounds good tho!
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
@@teampolysoftball will do!
Don’t know which one is hotter but on video the Monsta sounds way better.
Need to do a review on Monsta trippin
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
i used exclusively 52/300 dudleys...NO EVIL balls....they are harder than 52s...no broken bats at all
52/300 Dudley’s are nice and soft
Yo i designed those jerseys! Lets go! Bat sounds great!
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
BobbyBuggs where are you? I thought your 52/300 were safe to use with any bat.
Haven't seen Will blow up other bats with those evil bp balls. I see him hit monstas all the time with um. Sorry Genesis is fragile as my 80 year old grandma's hip. Don't blame Evil over 1 glass bat when they been out for 10 years.
I've never had an issue with the 52/300 balls... It could be one of those flukes like I had with my Krecher that cracked in 50 hits, it happens.
Hundreds of bats tested by multiple reviewers over the years with Evil BP52’s and you conclude that it’s an Evil issue?
They’re just not a 52/300 they’re more like a 52/375
Anybody selling one?
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
my ASA genesis felt great and I loved it right out of the gate BUT it didn't have the exit velo or distance as my Monsta and Onyx bats....its a really good asa bat but not great in my hands
Well the onyx ASA/USA bats were all banned as of 5 days ago
Thanks to the bats
Longest Slowpitch home run video? You and some other UA-camrs huh 🤔.
Luckily my league uses cheap tattoo 52 300’s
If Louisville don’t make that right then that’s shit. If they break that fast they need give multiple replacements.
This is a great bat with a lot of pop! Weve been swingin this and monsta bats. Check our page out.
Sheesh!!!!!
Maybe you got a lemon? Seems like everyone else got this bat with way less production on the bat and no signs of durability. You come out with nukes and it lasts 10 swings.
This is the 2nd time I’ve done this 😬
Was probably shaved 🤷🏽♂️
These newer bats are such trash! Bring back the more durable bats from pre-2016 and hit any ball you want! Let the whole team swing em! Such a money racket!!!
What a piece of trash. A bat that breaks the first day out of the wrappet should not be recommended to poeple.
weve been usin mostly Monsta bats but we also have a L.S genesis. Check our page out to see how much pop it has.
Sounds awful like every LS bat ever made
2nd guy doesn’t know how to swing. Moving his back foot all over the place.
They're not good. Neither ASA offering is good. The Genesis APG is my usssa gamer. But I won't be gaming their USA bats