I greatly appreciate your efforts to create this very impressive video about my grandfather, Friedrich Kellner. As I scrolled through the comments, I noticed two people wondered about the authenticity of the diary. I posted a response to Ozdave McGee's question about it and then realized I should have posted it as a separate response directly to you, so it can be shared by all the viewers. I hope it is all right for me to repeat that post here. I am the grandson of Friedrich Kellner and the editor and translator of the Cambridge University Press edition of his diary. I understand how original source documents can raise questions about authenticity, particularly in light of the "Hitler diary" fraud of many years ago. The ten original notebooks of the Kellner diary, which include almost 900 handwritten pages in the Old German Sütterlin style and more than 500 newspaper clippings and illustrations from Nazi-controlled newspapers, were exhibited in Berlin and Bonn by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation (associated with the Social Democratic Party) in 2009 and 2010. The diary was readily authenticated not only by age, paper and ink but with a comparison of numerous official handwritten documents written by my grandfather when he was the courthouse administrator in Laubach from 1933-1950. His diary was published in two volumes in Germany in 2011, under the title "Vernebelt, verdunkelt sind alle Hirne" ("Darkened and clouded are all the minds"), and in 2012 the German government subsidized a paperback edition to make it available at a reduced price for educators and students. The city of Mainz, where my grandfather campaigned against the National Socialists, has designated Friedrich and Pauline Kellner's burial site a "Grave of Honor." The town of Laubach, where he risked his life to write the diary, now has a street named after him.
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@Robert Kellner After watching this (TIK's) video, I ordered the book on Amazon. I began reading it yesterday and though I have yet to get to the diary section, I am enjoying it very much! The writing is easy to follow and the story of your path to publishing is very interesting. I have loved history since my early childhood and I already know I will gain a lot of insight from this book. Thanks a ton for your work to publish it! Dankeschön ☺️.
Hey all! Three things: 1. I'm aiming to get the next video in the Stalingrad series out next week. It will be a struggle... but fingers crossed it'll be out on time. 2. UA-cam will probably censor this video since I mention "Hitler", "the Holocaust", "Goebbels", "murder" and more... so please share the video if you can. 3. And in case you miss every other link, here's the other video I mentioned in this video about the German Austrian in the Third Reich ua-cam.com/video/TEcQS9GDtK8/v-deo.html Highly recommended watching! Cheers!
Actually I grew up in one of former soviet block countries and can confirm absolute economic incompetency of totalitarian regimes. What they achieved in my and other countries was that people developed their own parallel economy where they used as ''currency'' their connections between themselves and those who can provide skilled work (plumber, mason, buther, tailor, etc.), favours in official affairs or goods. And of course they paid by money as well.
Great video. What a courageous individual to keep this diary. His words are a clear record of what was happening on the ground in Germany. One can only imagine what would have happened if the Nazis had discovered his writings.
He was a member of the social democratic party. He was on a list. They knew what he thought. They didn't need a diary for it. As long as he didn't say it in public and do his work he would have been fine. That's how they operate. They had enough prisoners.
@@guidobolke5618 All the more so. He was on a list and he still kept a record of his dissent. Perhaps he figured they'd pick him up eventually anyway. Sure they had enough prisoners, but a political undesirable could still end up in a concentration camp for this.
@@nonamesplease6288 No, that's not how it works. It's too crude. You don't have to put 20% of the population into a concentration camp. They are valuable assets you want to use if you can. You imprison or kill the top brass to make an example and signal you are meaning business. For the rest the mere threat suffices. The few that don't understand you can still put into the prison. What you think privately or write in a diary is of no concern to the state. What you say out loud too others matter. Read up on his biography on wikipedia. He got into trouble and I guess he went silent. Also, .they didn't need evidence to put anybody into prison. They could detain anybody on suspicion for any amount of time since 1933 when they removed "for 48 hours"" from the law. 3 words can make the difference between the rule of law and total dictatorship. It was their first act.
@snowy the snowman He probably has good arguments for this thesis but in the end they didn't do that. But they did incarcarate a lot of their population to exploit them economically. But letting a doctor or an engineer dig a canal is still econonomical suicide, isn't it? You had to be a paranoid mad man to do that. The democratic opposition was no threat to the hitler regime and they werent much concerned about them. I think he was more concerned about the prussian military elite but he needed them.
Why do you have such faith that Kellner was 100% truthful? Is it because his words are printed in a book? Do paper and ink make words/thoughts trustworthy sources?
My God...history may not be repeating itself, but we as a society sure aren't heeding its lessons. Very educational TIK. Cheers👍. Looking forward to that next Stalingrad vid.
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a reason I've been doing some of these types of videos recently... Sadly, some people aren't listening or opening their eyes
It's always interesting to hear ppl say: how could this have happend, why were the german/soviet/whoever people so stupid?; while they themselfs are unable to see similiar things right now and do their 'job' as what Lenin called 'usefull idiots'
"People sitting in cities waiting for miracles" sounds like modern day ppl won't follow work they would rather stay in there 100 square foot apartment then take a chance
that is generally true of humans; they are not so nomadic, they tend to settle down; more to your point, there is the fact that people prefer a known bad to a possible good. "better the devil you know". It's one example of economic irrationality identified by behavioral economics.
I don’t think it’s healthy for people to live in a city for too long. Cities are money making engines and tend to use and chew people up. A human being needs to move about to fresh pastures or go nuts.
@@wojciechgrodnicki6302 hehe MAKE MONGOLIA GREAT AGAIN I said "generally" not "universally". Though, it seems universally true that people do and like that which they are familiar with as opposed to the new or different.
I'd like to say TIK, at 6:23 in the video, I've got an unsettling feeling about this. The things happening in Germany, the shortages and surpression of things, and all this happening in 1939; more or less before things really started kicking off. And this is giving me misgivings about today and now. Will definitely finish watching the video, and give an updates comment. But right now. Yeah, patterns repeating themselves.
There's a reason I've been doing videos recently where the economy was locked up and everything fell apart... Sadly, the videos haven't performed well. But that's probably because most people don't want to be even more depressed right now.
@@TheImperatorKnight Finished watching the video. At about 23-minute mark, (late) I could feel a moment of sarcasm/black humour, about whether or not the German Soldiers were getting better food or not than the civilians. The reference being the Soviet citizens, joining the army cause they thought they get better food. But all in all, I'm glad you did this video. I was actually re-watching your "What is History Video" when this popped up, and this is reinforcing the idea in my head that History is Important! I get people not wanting to get more depressed with things happening. But that doesn't mean we should ignore things cause they upset us. Anyways, going to watch that linked video. Stay safe and well TIK. 👍
@@TheImperatorKnight Which won't improve anytime soon, at least not for the Brits. As long as they pursue a no deal brexit, they will cut off important trade links; not only to the EU but also to the countries the EU has trade deals with. Brexit is self-imposed autarky. And the way tories manage to get students graded, or the way they manage a pandemic, it all reeks of utter incompetence. I've never seen a single political party responsibly handling government expenditures and taxation. Party's party too much and work too little. I enjoy your economic video's, hope you dive into the tragedy of the commons one day. Interested in your take on it.
@@oisnowy5368 I'm only becoming more aware of this modern stuff of late. I voted the Tories, and now I'm beginning to see the error of that, and the need to hold the Government to account.
@@TheImperatorKnight Just finished watching the video link. Good on whoever gave you the link, and good on you for posting it in this video. While I do feel grim and a growing contempt of things. I am grateful for this video, your channel, and the knowledge you give. Stay safe, and keep doing what you doing. 👍
Hi TIK, I listened to the Austrian lady you promoted. A hard time. Lady mixes stupid propaganda into. She never knew from 38 to 45 where the Jewish shopkeeper disappered? But Obamacare is dangerous? The NHS is 4 fokd cheaper. She is pretty a tuned mind
She is obviously talking to to a republican audience and wants to reeinforce their political views. This video is more a reflection on american politics than a historical account. There are so many things wrong in her talk. And she talks german with an american accent like she is talking english with a german accent. Weird. But I do believe her on the shop keeper, because my grandmother didn't know where her favourite dress maker disappeared to either.
@@TheImperatorKnight Well, the ladymentikns ID kartezum Beispiel. Which is an everyday thing in continental Europe, far not only in Germany. She is , so to say, many brochures behind.
Thank you. Since most WWII channels focus on tanks and planes and such your channel is one of the few talking about life in Germany and the occupied areas. I finished Hitler's Benefiseries and it was a very interesting read. I've also read the vampire economy. Now reading Wages of Destruction. Any more advice on books about the economy are appreciated.
Interesting. I bought the book to read for myself. I gave up on the Kitty Werthman video when she began railing against "socialist" health care. As a child of Thatcher you probably approve of such misinformation and distortion as it is anti socialist, but it is not fo me.
Why do you feel that you need to shut someone off just because they are having another opinion than yourself? Just because someone is saying something that you don't agree with, everything they say is nonsense?
@@MrFleshcutter Honest evidence based reasoning is my standard. When a presentation wilfully distorts the evidence to make a political point I shut it down. Hence holocaust deniers, flat earthers and extreme right wing americans get shut off.
@@gmdyt1 like I don't exactly agree with tiks political views but his history stuff is pretty good like ie he actually does his research and cites stuff
I dont understand how you can sugest the Kitty video. It's low quality propaganda and rather stupid. You will have to do a lot better next time. By the way she is one of the millions of germans who didn't know about kz camps and holocaust, not like Kellner.
I totally agree about the video. It's a good story that you tell americans because they like to hear it. But: Kellner was a man working at a courthouse and probably still well connected while she was a teenage girl attending a boarding school? It's believable that she didn't know about cooncentration camps as we know it. A teacher mmight have told her to be quiet or she would get in the KZ, but that doesn't mean she really knew what that meant. If their parents knew would they have told their daughter?
Hold up, if a company owner is member of a political party, does that mean the company is owned by the state? That would mean a whole lot of weird stuff for a lot of wealthy American families. But I guess the USA is just another example of Socialism.
Love stuff like this. Please make more videos about political and economical history. Understanding history sheds so much light on how the world is today. Especially important now when these type of political views are making a comeback.
TIK. Your link and advocacy of the Kitty Wertham video is highly questionable and reflects poorly on you. She is clearly speaking anecdotally, drawing frankly ridiculous parallels to the current regime in 2013. Though clearly emotive she is acting through her own political agenda. There is an absence of empirical evidence, a whole speech cobbled together from the soft focus of a girl growing up in nazi occupied Austria. This video on kellner is fascinating because he had a mature, biased yes, but enquiring mind. Kitty is merely rewriting bits of her past to suit the agenda of the timesheet lived in 2013. Very poor source to this fascinating video.
absolutely. Also, many things she says are just plain wrong. It was Bismark who introduced socialized healthcare to the German Empire, in 1884! The whole gun thing is basically Fox News Republican talking points, I mean did Germany really not invade Switzerland because Hitler was afraid of all those Swiss civilians with hunting rifles? Really? I mean, maybe Stalin should have thought of arming his army.... And Obama did a Euthanasia? really really? Are you sure about this lady?
It's indeed quite tiresome to hear rhetoric comparing current politicians to Hitler and current parties to the Nazis, regardless of whom the target is or who is doing the comparing. Whatever parallels and similarities can be drawn are basically always exaggerated and out of context, and the entire analogy is therefore either manipulative demagoguery or overwrought self-deception.
I think, like the books you read, that you're expected to read between the lines when watching her speech. Also she openly states shes against identity cards in that video which are heavily pushed by the right, not left. Which does show to an extent her stance is not entirely white vs black. Also to the guy who used 1884 as an example for Germany. One she is Austrian. Two that was mandatory insurance without a state sponsored option. So one it did not apply to her country nor is it exactly like the Affordable Care Act. So it is nonthing like what the Nazis had. Neither are even what Otto did in 84.
Yeah TIK can be political at times and he might have his own bias and agenda, but he wears it on his sleeve and he makes it obvious so that it doesn't detract from the historical analysis. Like his comments about Kellner and he should like high taxes since he's a social democrat, I see TIK's bias, whereas others try to hide their bias behind statistics, anecdotes, and the like. I'm subscribed and will remain subscribed because I respect that.
I agree with you that TIK dislikes anything that smacks of Socialism. I think TIK does tend to ignore that some "socialist policies" are actually Christian in nature, "Love they neighbour as yourself" and "Do unto others as you would have done to you" (e.g., universal health care, old age pensions, support for the unemployed or impoverished). However, he is right in saying that nationalizing (or socializing) industry is a BAD idea (as many countries have discovered to their chagrin). Industry needs to be regulated so the general public and environment do not get harmed by unscrupulous or indifferent owners, but not run by government. Same with agriculture. You sometimes need controls to prevent farmers over-producing their product and lowering the market value to the point they go can't make ends meet and go bankrupt. You then either end up with lower production of a commodity or, in the worst case, large corporations buying up the farms and putting small land holders out of work. This happened to an oyster fishery - there were two good years where there was a surfeit of natural oysters, so the bulk of the farmers went collecting the natural oysters. Guess what happened. The natural oyster population crashed after 2 years, leaving the oyster farmers not only without natural oysters, but without their oyster beds or oyster farming equipment (because they had neglected them). So the industry almost completely collapsed. Or you can get over-exploitation of the resource, and destroy your own industry (the Atlantic cod fishery is a good example of this). Regarding regular farming, I remember seeing an item on the US news where Wisconsin dairy farmers thought the Canadian Dairy Marketing Board was a good idea because it helped stabilize milk prices and prevented over-production and lost revenue that resulted in increasing the dairy farmers' debt. So, it really depends on the degree with which these policies are implemented, the individuals who are trying to implement the policies, and the motives behind them. Like anything else, these things need to be researched, realistic goals or targets set, tried, analyzed, mistakes recognized, and the system modified until the kinks are ironed out. Some control is good, but like anything else, in excess, it can be downright toxic. Both the Nazis and Communists (even Britain under the Labor Government) showed us how badly the wheels fall off your economy and society when you try socializing everything.
@snowy the snowman bro America is anything but socialist and we're one step shy of actual ritual cannibalism so please cool it with your weirdo pretend scenarios.
@snowy the snowman You do realize that the taxes on gas and diesel pay for the roads and bridges, do you? In fact, unlike the railroads, roads and highways in North America have been almost completely paid for by the government since Eisenhower (who saw Hitler's autobahns) created the interstates. It's one of the major reasons that railroads are constantly struggling to stay afloat - they cannot compete with an almost completely government subsidized transportation network. So, you want to be driving everywhere on heavily rutted dirt tracks and gravel roads? Using leaded gasoline with lower than 85.5 octane? While we are at it, taxes also pay for your water and sewer. Should every house in the towns and cities use septic fields? That would be a REAL mess. The issue is not whether the State should interfere in supply and demand, but how much. It is a fine balancing act between regulating and ensuring essential services are maintained, or falling either into totalitarianism or a laissez-faire bullfighting arena-style economy. Both the latter options are bad: the first leads to Naziism and Communism, while the latter leads to an economy that is perpetually in boom-bust cycles because of human greed and lack of restraint. Put another way, at the unstable extremes are black and white, the issue is how light or dark a gray you need to balance your economy while providing the services you want or require.
The nazi destroyed their own farming industry with government rules and rejected the concept of trade. When they invaded other countries the locals didn't invest in the their farming industries because they didn't have the money due to the war tributes and the price controls demotived the farmers to work. So since food wasn't being grown once the germans plundered europe they had to search for new areas to exploit.
Your video inspired me to create one of my own about my grandfather, which I have just uploaded under the title "Friedrich Kellner, a German against the Third Reich." It highlights the diary's relevance for today's problems of neo-Nazism, anti-Semitism, and the hesitance of the democracies to take effective preventative action. I hope you have an opportunity to see it.
@Trinidad and Tobagoball Friedrich formally withdrew from the Lutheran Church in 1920 because (as he wrote in his diary entry of January 15, 1943) too many ministers had been more pro-war than pro-peace. And he mentioned how the Church leaders were not speaking out against the atrocities committed against the Jews. Yet he also wrote that freedom of religion should be as protected as freedom of speech. As for radical liberals, particular those on the far left who spew hatred and spawn violence in their so-called righteous cause of protesting hatred and violence from the far right, Friedrich would have reminded them of the old English adage that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," including theirs. As for your bringing up the name of the Jewish billionaire Soros in relation to radical liberals, Friedrich would have pointed out that a single individual is not the fount of far left movements, which existed long before Soros was born, and that it is neither nice nor correct to slyly hint (by bringing up Soros) that Judaism is a synonym for Radicalism -- which, of course, I am certain you did not mean to imply.
Thank you #TIK for this video I am glad that Friedrich Kellner survived WWII and more importantly rooting out the local Nxxxs after it ended. Not only was he was disparaging of the Germans, Chamberlin and the Allies came in for some stick for appeasing 'that man'.(AH). In 1946 his son found him having left for the U.S. in 1935 and joined the U.S. Army. It is interesting to note that he was interrogated by the Gestapo and they were trying to entice him to incriminate himself as he was of middle rank in the justice department they had to be careful how he was dealt with. Even his wife came under real scrutiny and pressure from the party wives to join their movements to which he really felt blessed by her stance and realised he could not have asked for anyone better.
Not to play into the hands of the deniers, but I'd have to say that Kellner's use of the term "exterminate" in 1939 had to be a bit of rhetorical hyperbole. Certainly already in Poland there were shootings and other atrocities, but no systematic attempt to literally exterminate the Jewish people had yet begun - that did not truly start until 1941-2.
I like your videos, and too dislike the social democratic position (from the very same libertarian perspective), but I believe that saying that a social democrat shouldn't complain about bureaucracy is a bit disingenuous. While they still call for a centralized state and bureaucracy, a technocrat or social democrat still favour some free market, which is better than none at all (and those ideologies doesn't come usually with have state opression of the citizens).
Tik, a small thing for me as overall I find your work brilliant, deep, informative and straightforward. You along with many other public figures find the social backlash of people and the possible ostracism from discourse as horrendous and I understand why, especially for one who tackles educational and informative topics as you do, laid with mines as it is. Is it not American/Anglicised to expect yourself to be free from backlash? Backlash from the public is in its very own sacred way freedom of speech in my opinion. I think many creators misplace freedom of speech with freedom from others opinion. Not that I often if ever disagree with yours, it's simply a bias in my eyes. This possibly to probably subconscious view I feel has politicised all semi to very popular content creators to various degrees. I don't expect a response. It's simply a response to a throwaway comment at the start of your video and I intend to settle down and enjoy the rest of your video as I always do. Best of luck my dear man. Daniel Kealy.
Hi Daniel, I've read your comment a couple times but I'm not sure what you're trying to get across. Are you saying that I have a subconscious view that I don't expect a backlash because I think freedom of speech means others can't have an opinion? If that's what you meant, then I can promise you that I fully expect a backlash from every video. In fact, I'm surprised when I don't get one. But then I remind myself that most of those who backlash certain things haven't fully grasped what I'm saying, and thus ignore the elephant in the room. And as far as freedom of speech goes, have at it! Unless it's genuine spam or something, I don't delete comments, even though the UA-cam algorithm penalises the channel for allowing certain comments to remain (swearing, denialism etc). Freedom of speech is freedom of speech! This is why I can't help but laugh when people accuse me of creating an "echo chamber". There's no echo chamber here. Certain arguments will naturally win out over others, based on evidence and interpretation. Those that rely on insults and poor argumentation get knocked down. Let the best arguments win!
Can you not or do you not understand the difference between social democracy and socialism? Social democrats are for private economy, just with some state oversight and strong trade unions to ensure that employers do not oppress and exploit their employees. You seem to have some pretty tight ideological preconceptions, TIK. 😉
I think I will be sticking to your Battlestorm Series in the Future. I really dislike the mixing of contemporary (mostly non german) politics with german politics of the 1930s/1940s. The sole laying out of significant points of these diaries is very interesting, I would even tolerate drawing parallels to today in the conclusion or in a discussion part (where that belongs in my opinion), although I may be disagreeing, but to put them in there throughout the videos through snappy comments really isn't for me.
@joanne chon No, it's not appreciating TIK posing as a "historian", when he really is your average right-winger/revisionist, who tries to shoehorn history into his own little propaganda campaign.
this is a brilliant find, i like opinionated people who are right, Kellner was right about so many things, although they are obvious observations from someone who was intelligent and open for a debate from inside Germany, well after watching so many war documentaries and despairing at the losses and futility and not being able to make sense of it, discovering this fella who watched it all unfold and predicted most of the outcomes is amazing, brilliant job Tik .. and this is sensored by youtube? shameful, this is so good and beneficial learning
I wrote down the name after it came up in may in a Dutch podcast-episode on "Everyday life in nazi-Germany" (75 jaar bevrijding). (Podcast 'Betrouwbare Bronnen' (= 'Reliable Sources') on politics and current affairs, episode 105). But your video triggered me to actually buy the "Tagebücher..." and yes, in German. Thank you for your nudge. Now I just have to free up some time.....
Shoes... Didn't Germany have problems with the glues they used to make boots? Some where I heard Germans would take dead Soviet solder's boots because their own boots would fall apart.
Two reasons forGermans taking Soviet boots. One was their bookt were falling apart because of huge distances they had to walk in the USSR and German logistics had trouble supplying new ones. Second the Soviet boots for winter were much better suited to the cold so the Germans grabbed then when they could.
@@caryblack5985 I believe they had general problems with glues in other applications as well. I can't remember where I got that info, but I know I did....
That's propaganda . Because of the British American terror bombardements the people had to veil their windows, before the illumination of the home. In England you had the same orders during the period of the blitz. You had rationized fuel and food in the UK, too, during the war time. My father, born in 1923, told me, that there was no food or supplies problems during the war, exceptionally from butter and coffee. They had margarine and muckefuck(grain coffee substitute) instead of it. That's was caused by the British blockade. The big hunger started, then war was over.
Well said Berlin TV, the video is bollocks and most of these complaints are completely irrelevant. Funny how TIK doesn't realize that the modern western media speaks with one voice too, and unlike the national socialist press, the liberal press only defends the interests of a small transnational financial elite and their pet "victim groups", i.e. feminists, migrants, LGBTQ, not the nation. And in 1939 there wasn't even a mass murder of anyone unlike Kellner alleges. TIK knows that too and yet... Plus, how the hell could this Kellner character have known about it? Objectivity please! What he calls "evidence" contradicting the revisionists' claims certainly isn't evidence of anything, it's an unsubstantIated claim in a diary - diaries is something TIK tends to distrust otherwise. If this diary is at all legit and contemporary/unedited, Kellner was clearly just imagining things and exaggerating.
Same story in my family. If I remeber correctly Götz Ally writes in his book exactly about how and why the german population doesn't suffer hardships during the war as opposed to WWI where they did.
@snowy the snowman Indeed it was/Is so all the more reason for its ability to be of a certain opinion and therefore far from what did actually occur, surely? Thanks btw..
TIK can you explain the farthest left ideology that you find acceptable in a Democracy? You have a lot of criticism of socialism but seem to be much more open to Social Democrats. So what do you see as the dividing line that turns a Nazi resistance hero of the SDP into bad socialists?
My impression is that if you are thinking in terms of state democracy, you are on wrong track if asking TIK. He does not like states, and he criticizes things that states do as bad, but gives free pass to other entities just on the ground he makes up some excuse for pretending they are not effectively acting as state (be it families or whatever). Unless his thinking changed but it does not seem it had.
I have heard from a number of sources over the years that the Nazi's were not good at governing in general. It was organized chaos at best. Where those running the government just took Hitler's wishes and decided how to make them happen on their own, with a lot of in fighting among Hitler's henchmen, as they were competing to be Hitler's favourite. This likely is reflected in much of Kellner says about how things were in Germany at the time. Sounds like it wasn't until Sheer took a greater role in governing that the Nazi's improved in this regards.
I watched the video that you recommended at the end, and while the woman provided some interesting information, the main thrust of what she had to say was that Obama reminded her of the Nazis. At that point, the trauma of the Nazis turned into a kind of paranoiac rant against the Democratic Party in the U.S. Is that why you recommended your viewers to watch the video, or was it just for the information about living in Nazi-occupied Austria?
What are you talking about that Kellner can't complain over an abundance of bureaucracy or high taxes, it's called nuance TIK. Just because someone want the government to actually work for the betterment of their people, that doesn't mean they want an over bureaucratic government.
The Nazis and Fascists also wanted the State to work for the betterment of the people (e.g. a Volksgemeinschaft). In fact, they said that the State was the people, and a totalitarian State was therefore a true democracy. And this is correct: the People are the Public and the Public is the State ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html So what's the difference?
@@TheImperatorKnight See kids the Nazis said they wanted to help their citizens so we can't fund any public safety nets, because you'll turn into Nazis and fascists.
@@fallingfallingfallingfalli500 Boy does this narrative not work in 2020. Where tens of millions of people have lost their jobs and their attached health insurance because of the pandemic.
Hey TIK, do you ever think you'll do videos about World War 1? You're critical investigation about history has really given me a better grasp on events you've covered.
Compare: "The Eugenic Temptation in Socialism: Sweden, Germany, and the Soviet Union" Alberto Spektorowski - Comparative Studies in Society and History Vol. 46, No. 1 (Jan., 2004), pp. 84-106. Published by: Cambridge University Press www.jstor.org/stable/3879414?seq=1
I've always wondered if Hitler's economic policies were always predicated on future military conquests, ie the German economy couldn't maintain the stress of such an enormous military machine so the need to conquer and loot was always present.
He had to keep these diaries utterly secret, because if they had been found (and he was under surveillance because he never stopped opposing), he would have been executed for "defaitism". Some made only a silly joke - executed. I have the original diaries of my grandfather (in Berlin) and his father (in Dresden). They both were writing solely about internal family details, and only _after_ the war in 1945, I found an outburst of rage against the catchphraser Goebbels, along with the lament on the destruction of Dresden (our family survived). My Grandfather in Berlin worked at Siemens. On one page of 1944 I found a peculiar number, without comment. I found out that it was the name of a Luftwaffe radar equipment for a Ju88 - and of course he would NEVER be allowed to tell anyone or write about it. But he made this lapsus only once, the rest of the diary is "clean". Thanks for this video, although You did not refer to the ubiquitous danger of being denounced by someone, all my grandparents were infected by this experience: You can never trust society. Hence, they kept to the family as the last resort, combined with a desperate try to ignore the madness outside.
Lucas Watson Follow the model of everyone else with private railways. The company owns all their own track, their own locos, their own rolling stock. Now, in the UK, you have the train operating company that rents the locos and rolling stock, because that is how the government set it up.
This is an unpopular opinion in these circles, but it would've been way cheaper if the railways were run by the state since currently the UK gov't spends more money subsidizing the private-run railway system than it ever cost to operate it on its own
So it seems if Hitler was a Capitalist we’d all be speaking German now…. We’ll at least all of Europe & Russia? Here,’s a series, what if Hitler pursued Capitalism?
Martin Niemoller: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
Farms in private hands..bureaucracy. No idea but Id guess it was a centralised point to divide distibute things like seed fuel and so on. Much as when I was a kid we had a egg board and a potatoe board. They set maximums a farm could sell to prevent monopolies developing and set the maximum price
massive recyling yeah and also gardening. mostly though expropriate the food from everywhere else in europe. tik (or goebbels...) is overestimating the food crisis. there wasn't a food crisis for the gudaryans of the world. no coffee. I'm serious, the biggest food shortage was a lack of coffee, then cigarettes and cola. and the nazis opposed cigarettes before the war anyway. other then coffee, chocolate and cigarettes there was plenty of food, even meat, but of course all the best food goes to the military first.
Tik, would you please, if you could, respond to this video from Indy Neidell: Why the Nazis Weren’t Socialists - ‘The Good Hitler Years’ | BETWEEN 2 WARS I 1937 Part 2 of 2 ? It seems to me you were wrong calling the Nazis socialists when they really were not.
The semantics over Hitler's usage of the word "socialist" is because he viewed Marxism as having corrupted the definitions of socialism. Its why people are stuck today attempting to accuse German Fascism as being modern day "socialists." Tik himself is stuck in this hole.
Hi Tik, I would like to ask you if you read any books from Paul Carell? I read Foxes of the Desert and the seems to me ok, but after I learn who Paul Carell is I am not sure if some of the stories could be trustworthy. Your opinion on the matter would be highly appreciated. PS: Thank you for the great work you doing and good luck.
Your videos would be so much better if you didn't compulsively get every possible partisan jab in. That you can't talk 5 minutes about a social democrat without inserting your own political opinions should be warning sign enough for anyone who wants to listen to anything you say about economics or politics. Like, a social Democrat who sees an enormous amount of his taxes go towards preparing an offensive war, public suppression and murder of parts of the population doesn't have the right to complain? Despite being firmly against all of them?
"Like, a social Democrat who sees an enormous amount of his taxes go towards preparing an offensive war, public suppression and murder of parts of the population doesn't have the right to complain? Despite being firmly against all of them?" What are you talking about? That's exactly what Social Democracy is! Democracy is 'People Power'. Except the People are the Public, and the Public is the State. So Democracy is 'State Power'. ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html This is exactly what Hitler implemented - a Social Democracy (he called it a "People's State" in Mein Kampf, and also a Volksgemeinschaft or "people's community" elsewhere). As the guy who created Fascism (Giovanni Gentile) made clear, the State is the manifestation of the people (People = Public = State). If the State wants war, the people want war. If the people want war, the State wants war. That's why the people are currently calling for suppression and economic lock ups, and 'democrats' all over the world are bowing down to the people. The democrats also want suppression and economic lock ups, so the people also bow down to the democrats. There is no difference.
@@TheImperatorKnight Wow, first you claim Nazism is socialism, then you claim Nazism is social democracy? Do you have any idea how many socialists and social democrats were killed in concentration camps? You have to use your old cheap trick of just substituting words that aren't synonymous, but this time you have to do it in steps to further hide how insane your substitutions are. No, Nazi Germany wasn't a social democracy. That's why today's Nordic countries don't look much like it. Why do you fell this compulsive need to lump everyone who disagrees with anarchocaptitalism together? Is that the only way you can defend your own anarchocaptitalism? "You're not an anarchocaptitalist? You know who else wasn't? Hitler!!1!!" That's the substance of what you're saying. Except you equate, obfuscate and muddle until "not anarchocaptitalist" becomes "socialist" or "social democrat" or whatever you want.
"Wow, first you claim Nazism is socialism, then you claim Nazism is social democracy?" No, Hitler claimed Nazism was Social(ism) Democracy (a People's State). I just pointed that out to you. I said that all Socialism is Democracy, and Democracy is Socialism. Social Democracy is just Socialism by another name. "Do you have any idea how many socialists and social democrats were killed in concentration camps?" Nazis were also killed in the concentration camps if they crossed Hitler. You weren't put in a concentration camp because of your political views necessarily. "No, Nazi Germany wasn't a social democracy. That's why today's Nordic countries don't look much like it." The Nordic countries don't have a welfare state? Or central banks? Or nationalized public transportation? Or Corporations (trade unions)? "Why do you fell this compulsive need to lump everyone who disagrees with anarchocaptitalism together? Is that the only way you can defend your own anarchocaptitalism?" I don't lump them all together. Monarchists are not Socialists, for example. I just say that all Socialists are Socialists, and all Socialists should stop trying to claim that they're not REAL Socialists when I have the evidence and the facts to expose them for the liars that they actually are. Again ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html "you equate, obfuscate and muddle until "not anarchocaptitalist" becomes "socialist" or "social democrat" or whatever you want." Incorrect. There are other political doctrines. But people calling for State control are called Socialists. They may claim that they're not, or claim that they are, or pretend that others who called themselves Socialists weren't 'real' Socialists, but I'm not falling for it.
@@TheImperatorKnight And since Hitler claimed it, it must be correct, right? Do you trust everyone this much or just Hitler? Or is it only possible for people to lie when they say they aren't socialist? Also Democracy does not mean a people's State, it means rule of the people, from demos/people + kratia/rulership. So immediately you're wrong. Democracy is socialism? So Athens was the first socialist country? Ridiculous. According to your fucked up definition of socialism = state control, yes absolute monarchy would be a form of socialism. And anarcho-communism wouldn't be. You never responded to this point before though, so feel free to continue to ignore how much nonsense that is. The Nordic countries now look like Nazi Germany to you? Is that your point? Is that seriously... You read in great detail about the countless atrocities the Nazis committed, the genocide the... And then you look at the happiest, wealthiest places in the world and think "they decided to have a social safety net. That's basically the same thing." I'm truly disgusted. Are these just numbers to you? Have you never visited a concentration camp or a holocaust museum or something? Anyway, socialism defined by actual socialists themselves is "The worker's ownership of the means of production". That's it. You can't play with it and exchange words until something comes out you want. Workers are not a State. Ownership is not control is not regulation.
@@TheImperatorKnight What you mean monarchists are not socialists? Don't they raise taxes? Also don't they exert control over the economy? What Saudi Arabia does is state control over the economy right?
I was almost pushing like button, but this constant wining about socialdemocrats and including your own political views to presentation made me not to push like this time..
Regarding your highly recomended video: "Keep your guns and buy more guns..." really, Tik? At this point I coould not bare it longer and quit. This lady is so what deranged not regarding her memories about the Nazi Reich but about many of her resulting "conlusions".
She is clearly deluded and taking the things she remembers correctly pretty out of context. I mean, this is a memoir like speech to begin with, and I have heard many ludicrous ones of these from the time of WW2, but she is obviously either consciously painting a NS = left agenda or just misremembering from her decades in the right wing bubble. I'd actually find it interesting to her TIK talk about that video and why he recommends it.
This channel is used to subtly promote TIK's own right-wing politics/apologetics/revisionism, rather than to give an accurate, factual and honest look at history. He cherry picks sources, accounts and mixes in his own value judgements. That's not what a true historian would do. That's what a manipulator would do.
@@jussim.konttinen4981 I don't know. I don't want his channel to be deleted. I want him to not pose as a historian if in reality he's just a revisionist/populist. Him promoting a video from a 2013 PE campaign in the US, where a clearly deluded lady rants about democrats and equates them to fascists, adds absolutely no historical information and only serves TIK's right-wing apologetics.
@@uschurch I am a sympathizer, but I’m not a fan of interventionism and preemptive strikes. Rather, I am in favor of small nations such as Quebec, Scotland, Ireland and Estonia.
Hey Tik, Slightly off topic, Have you seen the Russian series Blood Upon the Snow? there is also an associated book by Richard Overy which I'm pretty sure you have. You can find version English version online if you know where to look.😉😉
Well according to Wikipedia, he was appointed to a higher position when the Allies showed up and then worked on de-nazification boards post-war. Then did some other political work with the Social Dems.
@@general2109 Seems strange to me that a known social democrat opposed to Hitler was keeping such highly critical diaries of the Nazis. Wasn't he afraid the Gestapo might knock on his door and find them? In Stalin's Russia such people ended up in a gulag much more quickly...
@@BoskoBuha99 People tend to overrate the ability of the Gestapo to watch over the population quite a lot. Over all it was stretched quite thin and heavily relied on ordinary civilians reporting their neighbours, relatives, colleagues etc. After the war of course many claimed that the Gestapo was all knowing and all seeing in order to hide the fact that they were in the best case passive or more often than not complicit in the machinations of the third Reich. So as long as no neighbour reported him and the state officials had more important things to do he was safe.
Has anyone ever examined Kellner's diary such as a handwriting expert? I'd like to be reassured his diary is a daily/weekly contemporarous notation. Otherwise, if its compiled after the war, it has no added value as perceptions change over time.
I am the grandson of Friedrich Kellner and the editor and translator of the Cambridge University Press edition of his diary. I understand how original source documents can raise questions about authenticity, particularly in light of the "Hitler diary" fraud of many years ago. The ten original notebooks of the Kellner diary, which include almost 900 handwritten pages in the Old German Sütterlin style and more than 500 newspaper clippings and illustrations from Nazi-controlled newspapers, were exhibited in Berlin and Bonn by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation (associated with the Social Democratic Party) in 2009 and 2010. The diary was readily authenticated not only by age, paper and ink but with a comparison of numerous official handwritten documents written by my grandfather when he was the courthouse administrator in Laubach from 1933-1950. His diary was published in two volumes in Germany in 2011, under the title "Vernebelt, verdunkelt sind alle Hirne" ("Darkened and clouded are all the minds"), and in 2012 the German government subsidized a paperback edition to make it available at a reduced price for educators and students. The city of Mainz, where my grandfather campaigned against the National Socialists, has designated Friedrich and Pauline Kellner's burial site a "Grave of Honor." The town of Laubach, where he risked his life to write the diary, now has a street named after him.
I greatly appreciate your efforts to create this very impressive video about my grandfather, Friedrich Kellner. As I scrolled through the comments, I noticed two people wondered about the authenticity of the diary. I posted a response to Ozdave McGee's question about it and then realized I should have posted it as a separate response directly to you, so it can be shared by all the viewers. I hope it is all right for me to repeat that post here. I am the grandson of Friedrich Kellner and the editor and translator of the Cambridge University Press edition of his diary. I understand how original source documents can raise questions about authenticity, particularly in light of the "Hitler diary" fraud of many years ago. The ten original notebooks of the Kellner diary, which include almost 900 handwritten pages in the Old German Sütterlin style and more than 500 newspaper clippings and illustrations from Nazi-controlled newspapers, were exhibited in Berlin and Bonn by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation (associated with the Social Democratic Party) in 2009 and 2010. The diary was readily authenticated not only by age, paper and ink but with a comparison of numerous official handwritten documents written by my grandfather when he was the courthouse administrator in Laubach from 1933-1950. His diary was published in two volumes in Germany in 2011, under the title "Vernebelt, verdunkelt sind alle Hirne" ("Darkened and clouded are all the minds"), and in 2012 the German government subsidized a paperback edition to make it available at a reduced price for educators and students. The city of Mainz, where my grandfather campaigned against the National Socialists, has designated Friedrich and Pauline Kellner's burial site a "Grave of Honor." The town of Laubach, where he risked his life to write the diary, now has a street named after him.
Thank you for commenting! I've just pinned your comment so that more people can see it. I'll also let people know in the next video (just released) to come back and read what you've written
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for the insight!
Robert, considering the consequences, your grandfather was a brave man indeed. I think I know what might be next on my reading list :)
@Robert Kellner
After watching this (TIK's) video, I ordered the book on Amazon. I began reading it yesterday and though I have yet to get to the diary section, I am enjoying it very much! The writing is easy to follow and the story of your path to publishing is very interesting.
I have loved history since my early childhood and I already know I will gain a lot of insight from this book.
Thanks a ton for your work to publish it!
Dankeschön ☺️.
It is moments like this that as a viewer you get this sense of living history. I'm thrilled to see such a reply.
Hey all! Three things:
1. I'm aiming to get the next video in the Stalingrad series out next week. It will be a struggle... but fingers crossed it'll be out on time.
2. UA-cam will probably censor this video since I mention "Hitler", "the Holocaust", "Goebbels", "murder" and more... so please share the video if you can.
3. And in case you miss every other link, here's the other video I mentioned in this video about the German Austrian in the Third Reich ua-cam.com/video/TEcQS9GDtK8/v-deo.html Highly recommended watching!
Cheers!
I like you. Hope you will do something to operation Husky or Malta
@seegurke93 - I've done a video on Malta ua-cam.com/video/8pS54t-a3Z4/v-deo.html
C'mon, you are well aware of the context you use said verboten worten.
@David S Cameron - context doesn't matter. I know UA-cam says it does, but actions speak louder than words.
@Gipsy Danger - I haven't read it, but I've added it to my shopping list. Thanks!
Actually I grew up in one of former soviet block countries and can confirm absolute economic incompetency of totalitarian regimes. What they achieved in my and other countries was that people developed their own parallel economy where they used as ''currency'' their connections between themselves and those who can provide skilled work (plumber, mason, buther, tailor, etc.), favours in official affairs or goods. And of course they paid by money as well.
One thing is sure, Kellner is winning the sarcasm war.
Great video. What a courageous individual to keep this diary. His words are a clear record of what was happening on the ground in Germany. One can only imagine what would have happened if the Nazis had discovered his writings.
He was a member of the social democratic party. He was on a list. They knew what he thought. They didn't need a diary for it. As long as he didn't say it in public and do his work he would have been fine. That's how they operate. They had enough prisoners.
@@guidobolke5618 All the more so. He was on a list and he still kept a record of his dissent. Perhaps he figured they'd pick him up eventually anyway. Sure they had enough prisoners, but a political undesirable could still end up in a concentration camp for this.
@@nonamesplease6288 No, that's not how it works. It's too crude. You don't have to put 20% of the population into a concentration camp. They are valuable assets you want to use if you can. You imprison or kill the top brass to make an example and signal you are meaning business. For the rest the mere threat suffices. The few that don't understand you can still put into the prison. What you think privately or write in a diary is of no concern to the state. What you say out loud too others matter. Read up on his biography on wikipedia. He got into trouble and I guess he went silent. Also, .they didn't need evidence to put anybody into prison. They could detain anybody on suspicion for any amount of time since 1933 when they removed "for 48 hours"" from the law. 3 words can make the difference between the rule of law and total dictatorship. It was their first act.
@snowy the snowman He probably has good arguments for this thesis but in the end they didn't do that. But they did incarcarate a lot of their population to exploit them economically. But letting a doctor or an engineer dig a canal is still econonomical suicide, isn't it? You had to be a paranoid mad man to do that. The democratic opposition was no threat to the hitler regime and they werent much concerned about them. I think he was more concerned about the prussian military elite but he needed them.
Why do you have such faith that Kellner was 100% truthful? Is it because his words are printed in a book? Do paper and ink make words/thoughts trustworthy sources?
My God...history may not be repeating itself, but we as a society sure aren't heeding its lessons. Very educational TIK. Cheers👍. Looking forward to that next Stalingrad vid.
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a reason I've been doing some of these types of videos recently... Sadly, some people aren't listening or opening their eyes
History doesn't repeat, it rhymes
Those points that Kellner’a list all sound like what is happening in our world to various extent.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....
It's always interesting to hear ppl say: how could this have happend, why were the german/soviet/whoever people so stupid?; while they themselfs are unable to see similiar things right now and do their 'job' as what Lenin called 'usefull idiots'
Wow, 1944 meincraft is hyperealistic, thats a nice texture pack
@@yoooo1358 that french kid rwt??
These older videos are just as good as the newer ones. Brilliant and we really appreciate your efforts.
Blessings to you all
& people still insist that "NATIONAL SOCIALISM" isn't socialism.
Yep. A lot of things spouted in this video are BS.
"People sitting in cities waiting for miracles" sounds like modern day ppl won't follow work they would rather stay in there 100 square foot apartment then take a chance
It's a scary world out there, and it's not easy taking the chance... but the fear of failure guarantees failure.
that is generally true of humans; they are not so nomadic, they tend to settle down; more to your point, there is the fact that people prefer a known bad to a possible good. "better the devil you know". It's one example of economic irrationality identified by behavioral economics.
Ann Onymous except for....wait for it....the Mongols.
I don’t think it’s healthy for people to live in a city for too long. Cities are money making engines and tend to use and chew people up. A human being needs to move about to fresh pastures or go nuts.
@@wojciechgrodnicki6302 hehe MAKE MONGOLIA GREAT AGAIN
I said "generally" not "universally". Though, it seems universally true that people do and like that which they are familiar with as opposed to the new or different.
I'd like to say TIK, at 6:23 in the video, I've got an unsettling feeling about this. The things happening in Germany, the shortages and surpression of things, and all this happening in 1939; more or less before things really started kicking off. And this is giving me misgivings about today and now.
Will definitely finish watching the video, and give an updates comment. But right now. Yeah, patterns repeating themselves.
There's a reason I've been doing videos recently where the economy was locked up and everything fell apart... Sadly, the videos haven't performed well. But that's probably because most people don't want to be even more depressed right now.
@@TheImperatorKnight Finished watching the video. At about 23-minute mark, (late) I could feel a moment of sarcasm/black humour, about whether or not the German Soldiers were getting better food or not than the civilians. The reference being the Soviet citizens, joining the army cause they thought they get better food.
But all in all, I'm glad you did this video. I was actually re-watching your "What is History Video" when this popped up, and this is reinforcing the idea in my head that History is Important! I get people not wanting to get more depressed with things happening. But that doesn't mean we should ignore things cause they upset us. Anyways, going to watch that linked video. Stay safe and well TIK. 👍
@@TheImperatorKnight Which won't improve anytime soon, at least not for the Brits. As long as they pursue a no deal brexit, they will cut off important trade links; not only to the EU but also to the countries the EU has trade deals with. Brexit is self-imposed autarky.
And the way tories manage to get students graded, or the way they manage a pandemic, it all reeks of utter incompetence.
I've never seen a single political party responsibly handling government expenditures and taxation. Party's party too much and work too little.
I enjoy your economic video's, hope you dive into the tragedy of the commons one day. Interested in your take on it.
@@oisnowy5368 I'm only becoming more aware of this modern stuff of late. I voted the Tories, and now I'm beginning to see the error of that, and the need to hold the Government to account.
@@TheImperatorKnight Just finished watching the video link. Good on whoever gave you the link, and good on you for posting it in this video. While I do feel grim and a growing contempt of things. I am grateful for this video, your channel, and the knowledge you give. Stay safe, and keep doing what you doing. 👍
Hi TIK,
I listened to the Austrian lady you promoted.
A hard time.
Lady mixes stupid propaganda into.
She never knew from 38 to 45 where the Jewish shopkeeper disappered?
But Obamacare is dangerous? The NHS is 4 fokd cheaper.
She is pretty a tuned mind
There are not so many jews in Austria. When less than 1% of the population disappears while 5% of Catholics die, you would necessarily pay attention.
You like the National Socialist Health Service? And Obama Care is expensive ua-cam.com/video/0uPdkhMVdMQ/v-deo.html
She is obviously talking to to a republican audience and wants to reeinforce their political views. This video is more a reflection on american politics than a historical account. There are so many things wrong in her talk. And she talks german with an american accent like she is talking english with a german accent. Weird. But I do believe her on the shop keeper, because my grandmother didn't know where her favourite dress maker disappeared to either.
@@TheImperatorKnight Well, the ladymentikns ID kartezum Beispiel.
Which is an everyday thing in continental Europe, far not only in Germany.
She is , so to say, many brochures behind.
English is not my first language either. Draw your own conclusions about the circumstances of that time.
Thank you. Since most WWII channels focus on tanks and planes and such your channel is one of the few talking about life in Germany and the occupied areas. I finished Hitler's Benefiseries and it was a very interesting read. I've also read the vampire economy. Now reading Wages of Destruction. Any more advice on books about the economy are appreciated.
Interesting. I bought the book to read for myself. I gave up on the Kitty Werthman video when she began railing against "socialist" health care. As a child of Thatcher you probably approve of such misinformation and distortion as it is anti socialist, but it is not fo me.
Why do you feel that you need to shut someone off just because they are having another opinion than yourself? Just because someone is saying something that you don't agree with, everything they say is nonsense?
@@MrFleshcutter Honest evidence based reasoning is my standard. When a presentation wilfully distorts the evidence to make a political point I shut it down. Hence holocaust deniers, flat earthers and extreme right wing americans get shut off.
@@gmdyt1 like I don't exactly agree with tiks political views but his history stuff is pretty good like ie he actually does his research and cites stuff
@@maxbarker8625 You can’t polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.
@@MrFleshcutter Because I’ve heard it all before, why listen to someone who says exactly the same things as countless others that you disagree with.
I dont understand how you can sugest the Kitty video. It's low quality propaganda and rather stupid. You will have to do a lot better next time. By the way she is one of the millions of germans who didn't know about kz camps and holocaust, not like Kellner.
She lost me when she equated Hitler and Nazism with Obama and the Democratic Party 🤣
everyone knew about the camps, but didn't know lots of them were meant to kill people off.
I totally agree about the video. It's a good story that you tell americans because they like to hear it. But: Kellner was a man working at a courthouse and probably still well connected while she was a teenage girl attending a boarding school? It's believable that she didn't know about cooncentration camps as we know it. A teacher mmight have told her to be quiet or she would get in the KZ, but that doesn't mean she really knew what that meant. If their parents knew would they have told their daughter?
This guy is a farcical “historian” with god awful sourcing where he just plain misses the point. 50% of the time
@@PuReAFROz No, he might get a% wrong the rest is spot on.
Damn, he was really cleaver for that time !
Writing political comments in a dairy while living in authoritarian society is not very clever move.
@@tokul76 yeah that one hit
Hold up, if a company owner is member of a political party, does that mean the company is owned by the state? That would mean a whole lot of weird stuff for a lot of wealthy American families. But I guess the USA is just another example of Socialism.
Is it something TIK dislikes? That's how you know.
What's the difference between a department of the State and a Corporation that does exactly what the Party wants when asked?
@@TheImperatorKnight Are you serious?
Tik saw me through the first Covid lockdown with his long videos. I could listen to him all day!
Love stuff like this. Please make more videos about political and economical history. Understanding history sheds so much light on how the world is today. Especially important now when these type of political views are making a comeback.
I would like to see more videos on daily life in Germany and other axis powers during the war
TIK. Your link and advocacy of the Kitty Wertham video is highly questionable and reflects poorly on you. She is clearly speaking anecdotally, drawing frankly ridiculous parallels to the current regime in 2013. Though clearly emotive she is acting through her own political agenda. There is an absence of empirical evidence, a whole speech cobbled together from the soft focus of a girl growing up in nazi occupied Austria. This video on kellner is fascinating because he had a mature, biased yes, but enquiring mind. Kitty is merely rewriting bits of her past to suit the agenda of the timesheet lived in 2013. Very poor source to this fascinating video.
absolutely. Also, many things she says are just plain wrong. It was Bismark who introduced socialized healthcare to the German Empire, in 1884! The whole gun thing is basically Fox News Republican talking points, I mean did Germany really not invade Switzerland because Hitler was afraid of all those Swiss civilians with hunting rifles? Really? I mean, maybe Stalin should have thought of arming his army.... And Obama did a Euthanasia? really really? Are you sure about this lady?
It's indeed quite tiresome to hear rhetoric comparing current politicians to Hitler and current parties to the Nazis, regardless of whom the target is or who is doing the comparing. Whatever parallels and similarities can be drawn are basically always exaggerated and out of context, and the entire analogy is therefore either manipulative demagoguery or overwrought self-deception.
I think, like the books you read, that you're expected to read between the lines when watching her speech. Also she openly states shes against identity cards in that video which are heavily pushed by the right, not left. Which does show to an extent her stance is not entirely white vs black.
Also to the guy who used 1884 as an example for Germany. One she is Austrian. Two that was mandatory insurance without a state sponsored option. So one it did not apply to her country nor is it exactly like the Affordable Care Act. So it is nonthing like what the Nazis had. Neither are even what Otto did in 84.
Yeah TIK can be political at times and he might have his own bias and agenda, but he wears it on his sleeve and he makes it obvious so that it doesn't detract from the historical analysis.
Like his comments about Kellner and he should like high taxes since he's a social democrat, I see TIK's bias, whereas others try to hide their bias behind statistics, anecdotes, and the like.
I'm subscribed and will remain subscribed because I respect that.
yep! you know where you stand. basic fucking honesty shouldn't be a high bar but it is these days liars and bullshit artists abound.
I agree with you that TIK dislikes anything that smacks of Socialism. I think TIK does tend to ignore that some "socialist policies" are actually Christian in nature, "Love they neighbour as yourself" and "Do unto others as you would have done to you" (e.g., universal health care, old age pensions, support for the unemployed or impoverished).
However, he is right in saying that nationalizing (or socializing) industry is a BAD idea (as many countries have discovered to their chagrin). Industry needs to be regulated so the general public and environment do not get harmed by unscrupulous or indifferent owners, but not run by government. Same with agriculture. You sometimes need controls to prevent farmers over-producing their product and lowering the market value to the point they go can't make ends meet and go bankrupt. You then either end up with lower production of a commodity or, in the worst case, large corporations buying up the farms and putting small land holders out of work. This happened to an oyster fishery - there were two good years where there was a surfeit of natural oysters, so the bulk of the farmers went collecting the natural oysters. Guess what happened. The natural oyster population crashed after 2 years, leaving the oyster farmers not only without natural oysters, but without their oyster beds or oyster farming equipment (because they had neglected them). So the industry almost completely collapsed. Or you can get over-exploitation of the resource, and destroy your own industry (the Atlantic cod fishery is a good example of this). Regarding regular farming, I remember seeing an item on the US news where Wisconsin dairy farmers thought the Canadian Dairy Marketing Board was a good idea because it helped stabilize milk prices and prevented over-production and lost revenue that resulted in increasing the dairy farmers' debt.
So, it really depends on the degree with which these policies are implemented, the individuals who are trying to implement the policies, and the motives behind them. Like anything else, these things need to be researched, realistic goals or targets set, tried, analyzed, mistakes recognized, and the system modified until the kinks are ironed out. Some control is good, but like anything else, in excess, it can be downright toxic. Both the Nazis and Communists (even Britain under the Labor Government) showed us how badly the wheels fall off your economy and society when you try socializing everything.
@snowy the snowman bro America is anything but socialist and we're one step shy of actual ritual cannibalism so please cool it with your weirdo pretend scenarios.
@snowy the snowman You do realize that the taxes on gas and diesel pay for the roads and bridges, do you? In fact, unlike the railroads, roads and highways in North America have been almost completely paid for by the government since Eisenhower (who saw Hitler's autobahns) created the interstates. It's one of the major reasons that railroads are constantly struggling to stay afloat - they cannot compete with an almost completely government subsidized transportation network. So, you want to be driving everywhere on heavily rutted dirt tracks and gravel roads? Using leaded gasoline with lower than 85.5 octane? While we are at it, taxes also pay for your water and sewer. Should every house in the towns and cities use septic fields? That would be a REAL mess.
The issue is not whether the State should interfere in supply and demand, but how much. It is a fine balancing act between regulating and ensuring essential services are maintained, or falling either into totalitarianism or a laissez-faire bullfighting arena-style economy. Both the latter options are bad: the first leads to Naziism and Communism, while the latter leads to an economy that is perpetually in boom-bust cycles because of human greed and lack of restraint. Put another way, at the unstable extremes are black and white, the issue is how light or dark a gray you need to balance your economy while providing the services you want or require.
Jesus never advocated the Roman spear to mandate taking care of your Jewish neighbor. So no, Christianity is not Socialism.
I watched another video about him and I immediately bought the book. Great read.
Hello, greetings from Turkey, your videos are very informative and beautiful 😍
How was Germany unable to even feed itself when it controlled and plundered an entire continent?
The nazi destroyed their own farming industry with government rules and rejected the concept of trade. When they invaded other countries the locals didn't invest in the their farming industries because they didn't have the money due to the war tributes and the price controls demotived the farmers to work. So since food wasn't being grown once the germans plundered europe they had to search for new areas to exploit.
It was, once it controlled and plundered, but it didn't start the game in control of places to plunder.
Your video inspired me to create one of my own about my grandfather, which I have just uploaded under the title "Friedrich Kellner, a German against the Third Reich." It highlights the diary's relevance for today's problems of neo-Nazism, anti-Semitism, and the hesitance of the democracies to take effective preventative action. I hope you have an opportunity to see it.
@Trinidad and Tobagoball Friedrich formally withdrew from the Lutheran Church in 1920 because (as he wrote in his diary entry of January 15, 1943) too many ministers had been more pro-war than pro-peace. And he mentioned how the Church leaders were not speaking out against the atrocities committed against the Jews. Yet he also wrote that freedom of religion should be as protected as freedom of speech. As for radical liberals, particular those on the far left who spew hatred and spawn violence in their so-called righteous cause of protesting hatred and violence from the far right, Friedrich would have reminded them of the old English adage that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," including theirs. As for your bringing up the name of the Jewish billionaire Soros in relation to radical liberals, Friedrich would have pointed out that a single individual is not the fount of far left movements, which existed long before Soros was born, and that it is neither nice nor correct to slyly hint (by bringing up Soros) that Judaism is a synonym for Radicalism -- which, of course, I am certain you did not mean to imply.
11.00 Germans thought itwould be over in 1940.
New sub here. You have some very in depth and informative material. Good stuff!
Wow great video TIK. Very informative 👍🏼
Thank you #TIK for this video I am glad that Friedrich Kellner survived WWII and more importantly rooting out the local Nxxxs after it ended. Not only was he was disparaging of the Germans, Chamberlin and the Allies came in for some stick for appeasing 'that man'.(AH). In 1946 his son found him having left for the U.S. in 1935 and joined the U.S. Army. It is interesting to note that he was interrogated by the Gestapo and they were trying to entice him to incriminate himself as he was of middle rank in the justice department they had to be careful how he was dealt with. Even his wife came under real scrutiny and pressure from the party wives to join their movements to which he really felt blessed by her stance and realised he could not have asked for anyone better.
It is scary how many of those points can refer to the modern day UK.
Makes me wonder why the people put up with this.
Not to play into the hands of the deniers, but I'd have to say that Kellner's use of the term "exterminate" in 1939 had to be a bit of rhetorical hyperbole. Certainly already in Poland there were shootings and other atrocities, but no systematic attempt to literally exterminate the Jewish people had yet begun - that did not truly start until 1941-2.
I like your videos, and too dislike the social democratic position (from the very same libertarian perspective), but I believe that saying that a social democrat shouldn't complain about bureaucracy is a bit disingenuous. While they still call for a centralized state and bureaucracy, a technocrat or social democrat still favour some free market, which is better than none at all (and those ideologies doesn't come usually with have state opression of the citizens).
Tik, a small thing for me as overall I find your work brilliant, deep, informative and straightforward. You along with many other public figures find the social backlash of people and the possible ostracism from discourse as horrendous and I understand why, especially for one who tackles educational and informative topics as you do, laid with mines as it is.
Is it not American/Anglicised to expect yourself to be free from backlash? Backlash from the public is in its very own sacred way freedom of speech in my opinion. I think many creators misplace freedom of speech with freedom from others opinion. Not that I often if ever disagree with yours, it's simply a bias in my eyes.
This possibly to probably subconscious view I feel has politicised all semi to very popular content creators to various degrees. I don't expect a response. It's simply a response to a throwaway comment at the start of your video and I intend to settle down and enjoy the rest of your video as I always do. Best of luck my dear man.
Daniel Kealy.
Hi Daniel, I've read your comment a couple times but I'm not sure what you're trying to get across. Are you saying that I have a subconscious view that I don't expect a backlash because I think freedom of speech means others can't have an opinion?
If that's what you meant, then I can promise you that I fully expect a backlash from every video. In fact, I'm surprised when I don't get one. But then I remind myself that most of those who backlash certain things haven't fully grasped what I'm saying, and thus ignore the elephant in the room.
And as far as freedom of speech goes, have at it! Unless it's genuine spam or something, I don't delete comments, even though the UA-cam algorithm penalises the channel for allowing certain comments to remain (swearing, denialism etc). Freedom of speech is freedom of speech!
This is why I can't help but laugh when people accuse me of creating an "echo chamber". There's no echo chamber here. Certain arguments will naturally win out over others, based on evidence and interpretation. Those that rely on insults and poor argumentation get knocked down. Let the best arguments win!
Awesome video as always TIK...
Thank you very much for debunking the main stream narrative...
Thank you. I need to buy this book.
I love this video because it shows regular life of the common people.
I wonder how this compares to rationing in the UK, USSR, and USA?
Can you not or do you not understand the difference between social democracy and socialism? Social democrats are for private economy, just with some state oversight and strong trade unions to ensure that employers do not oppress and exploit their employees. You seem to have some pretty tight ideological preconceptions, TIK. 😉
Is it again that type of video. So I know not to bother?
@@Blazo_Djurovic Yes.
@@abc68130 Good to know I didn't waste these minutes of my life.
Or we can go with little to no federal intervention and let the states do their own thing as outlined in the Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers.
Is he catering to his american audience?
At least the trains ran on time! Just kidding.
Great video and thank you so much. Thank you!
How fascinating!
Again UA-cam didn't alert me of this video. Speaking of 1984 and Orwelian times. Good job Tik, great video as usual.
Yep, I'm not surprised. The algorithm doesn't like it when I mentioned certain words, like Hitler or the Holocaust
@@TheImperatorKnight because not talking about certain topics is the solution to people stop doing it, right? 🙄
Good to have this out on your website. Less welcome the snide remarks regarding Kellner's Social Democrat background.
I never knew about this man. Thnx TIK for bringing him to our attention.
I think I will be sticking to your Battlestorm Series in the Future. I really dislike the mixing of contemporary (mostly non german) politics with german politics of the 1930s/1940s. The sole laying out of significant points of these diaries is very interesting, I would even tolerate drawing parallels to today in the conclusion or in a discussion part (where that belongs in my opinion), although I may be disagreeing, but to put them in there throughout the videos through snappy comments really isn't for me.
@joanne chon No, it's not appreciating TIK posing as a "historian", when he really is your average right-winger/revisionist, who tries to shoehorn history into his own little propaganda campaign.
this is a brilliant find, i like opinionated people who are right, Kellner was right about so many things, although they are obvious observations from someone who was intelligent and open for a debate from inside Germany, well after watching so many war documentaries and despairing at the losses and futility and not being able to make sense of it, discovering this fella who watched it all unfold and predicted most of the outcomes is amazing, brilliant job Tik .. and this is sensored by youtube? shameful, this is so good and beneficial learning
Very interesting, this insiders detailed look. I look forward to your next part about Stalingrad.
Always learning something new and expanding on what I had already knew one Tik video at a time
So even with the great advances in fact Germany was losing from the very first Christmas.
I wrote down the name after it came up in may in a Dutch podcast-episode on "Everyday life in nazi-Germany" (75 jaar bevrijding).
(Podcast 'Betrouwbare Bronnen' (= 'Reliable Sources') on politics and current affairs, episode 105).
But your video triggered me to actually buy the "Tagebücher..." and yes, in German.
Thank you for your nudge. Now I just have to free up some time.....
Shoes... Didn't Germany have problems with the glues they used to make boots? Some where I heard Germans would take dead Soviet solder's boots because their own boots would fall apart.
Two reasons forGermans taking Soviet boots. One was their bookt were falling apart because of huge distances they had to walk in the USSR and German logistics had trouble supplying new ones. Second the Soviet boots for winter were much better suited to the cold so the Germans grabbed then when they could.
@@caryblack5985 I believe they had general problems with glues in other applications as well. I can't remember where I got that info, but I know I did....
That's propaganda . Because of the British American terror bombardements the people had to veil their windows, before the illumination of the home. In England you had the same orders during the period of the blitz. You had rationized fuel and food in the UK, too, during the war time.
My father, born in 1923, told me, that there was no food or supplies problems during the war, exceptionally from butter and coffee. They had margarine and muckefuck(grain coffee substitute) instead of it. That's was caused by the British blockade. The big hunger started, then war was over.
Richtig.
Well said Berlin TV, the video is bollocks and most of these complaints are completely irrelevant. Funny how TIK doesn't realize that the modern western media speaks with one voice too, and unlike the national socialist press, the liberal press only defends the interests of a small transnational financial elite and their pet "victim groups", i.e. feminists, migrants, LGBTQ, not the nation. And in 1939 there wasn't even a mass murder of anyone unlike Kellner alleges. TIK knows that too and yet... Plus, how the hell could this Kellner character have known about it? Objectivity please! What he calls "evidence" contradicting the revisionists' claims certainly isn't evidence of anything, it's an unsubstantIated claim in a diary - diaries is something TIK tends to distrust otherwise. If this diary is at all legit and contemporary/unedited, Kellner was clearly just imagining things and exaggerating.
Same story in my family. If I remeber correctly Götz Ally writes in his book exactly about how and why the german population doesn't suffer hardships during the war as opposed to WWI where they did.
Didn’t they invent Fanta due to the embargo?
Coca-Cola was not liked in Finland until they donated more than 700,000 bottles to the Association of disabled soldiers in 1952.
A priceless insight into the reality of totalitarianism
This is a valid if skewed opinion and I'm grateful for your help in bringing this to my/our attention, keep the Flag flying there... 🤗
Destruction of the middle class and the economy isn't a very good way to run your economy.
@snowy the snowman Indeed it was/Is so all the more reason for its ability to be of a certain opinion and therefore far from what did actually occur, surely? Thanks btw..
TIK can you explain the farthest left ideology that you find acceptable in a Democracy? You have a lot of criticism of socialism but seem to be much more open to Social Democrats. So what do you see as the dividing line that turns a Nazi resistance hero of the SDP into bad socialists?
My impression is that if you are thinking in terms of state democracy, you are on wrong track if asking TIK. He does not like states, and he criticizes things that states do as bad, but gives free pass to other entities just on the ground he makes up some excuse for pretending they are not effectively acting as state (be it families or whatever). Unless his thinking changed but it does not seem it had.
Great video, you were right to suggest it in your last!
I have heard from a number of sources over the years that the Nazi's were not good at governing in general. It was organized chaos at best. Where those running the government just took Hitler's wishes and decided how to make them happen on their own, with a lot of in fighting among Hitler's henchmen, as they were competing to be Hitler's favourite. This likely is reflected in much of Kellner says about how things were in Germany at the time. Sounds like it wasn't until Sheer took a greater role in governing that the Nazi's improved in this regards.
I think it was like that on purpose.
@@guidobolke5618 I do think Hitler liked his henchmen competing for his favour and did not want to get into the details himself.
@@Peorhum Yes, and it's also easier to keep them (henchmen) in check that way. OKH, OKW all they way down.
No Sandals in Third Reich? first time I heard that...
I watched the video that you recommended at the end, and while the woman provided some interesting information, the main thrust of what she had to say was that Obama reminded her of the Nazis. At that point, the trauma of the Nazis turned into a kind of paranoiac rant against the Democratic Party in the U.S.
Is that why you recommended your viewers to watch the video, or was it just for the information about living in Nazi-occupied Austria?
The Democrats are literally censoring people of course they reminded us of hitler.
@@Guilherme-ms3ub Grow up.
What are you talking about that Kellner can't complain over an abundance of bureaucracy or high taxes, it's called nuance TIK. Just because someone want the government to actually work for the betterment of their people, that doesn't mean they want an over bureaucratic government.
Lulzbertarians will be lulzbertarians.
The Nazis and Fascists also wanted the State to work for the betterment of the people (e.g. a Volksgemeinschaft). In fact, they said that the State was the people, and a totalitarian State was therefore a true democracy. And this is correct: the People are the Public and the Public is the State ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html
So what's the difference?
@@TheImperatorKnight See kids the Nazis said they wanted to help their citizens so we can't fund any public safety nets, because you'll turn into Nazis and fascists.
@@rickytorres8566 The best safety net is a job
@@fallingfallingfallingfalli500 Boy does this narrative not work in 2020. Where tens of millions of people have lost their jobs and their attached health insurance because of the pandemic.
Hey TIK, do you ever think you'll do videos about World War 1? You're critical investigation about history has really given me a better grasp on events you've covered.
Thank you
Compare: "The Eugenic Temptation in Socialism: Sweden, Germany, and the Soviet Union" Alberto Spektorowski - Comparative Studies in Society and History Vol. 46, No. 1 (Jan., 2004), pp. 84-106. Published by: Cambridge University Press
www.jstor.org/stable/3879414?seq=1
I've always wondered if Hitler's economic policies were always predicated on future military conquests, ie the German economy couldn't maintain the stress of such an enormous military machine so the need to conquer and loot was always present.
He had to keep these diaries utterly secret, because if they had been found (and he was under surveillance because he never stopped opposing), he would have been executed for "defaitism".
Some made only a silly joke - executed.
I have the original diaries of my grandfather (in Berlin) and his father (in Dresden). They both were writing solely about internal family details, and only _after_ the war in 1945, I found an outburst of rage against the catchphraser Goebbels, along with the lament on the destruction of Dresden (our family survived). My Grandfather in Berlin worked at Siemens. On one page of 1944 I found a peculiar number, without comment. I found out that it was the name of a Luftwaffe radar equipment for a Ju88 - and of course he would NEVER be allowed to tell anyone or write about it. But he made this lapsus only once, the rest of the diary is "clean".
Thanks for this video, although You did not refer to the ubiquitous danger of being denounced by someone, all my grandparents were infected by this experience: You can never trust society. Hence, they kept to the family as the last resort, combined with a desperate try to ignore the madness outside.
They didn't need a reason (diary) to imprison somebody.
You two have overdosed on too many Hollywood videos, Jan and Guido.
Wait, Nationalized railways not working?
(Remembers British Railways)
Imagine my shock.
How do you get railways to work properly? Because the current ones are shite too
Lucas Watson Follow the model of everyone else with private railways. The company owns all their own track, their own locos, their own rolling stock. Now, in the UK, you have the train operating company that rents the locos and rolling stock, because that is how the government set it up.
[SCREAM IN NATIONAL SOCIETY OF FRENCH RAILWAYS]
A single trip to Japan made me wish we had private railways.
Jim lastname From another company that owns the locos.
This is an unpopular opinion in these circles, but it would've been way cheaper if the railways were run by the state since currently the UK gov't spends more money subsidizing the private-run railway system than it ever cost to operate it on its own
So it seems if Hitler was a Capitalist we’d all be speaking German now…. We’ll at least all of Europe & Russia? Here,’s a series, what if Hitler pursued Capitalism?
Martin Niemoller: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
How is a social democrat from a national socialist? Socialist but not racist?
I feel bad cause i havent heard of Kellner...
Kellner was last seen in a secret underground pub pouring drafts. Don't believe me? Go to any pub in Germany and ask for Kellner. He is super famous!
Farms in private hands..bureaucracy. No idea but Id guess it was a centralised point to divide distibute things like seed fuel and so on. Much as when I was a kid we had a egg board and a potatoe board. They set maximums a farm could sell to prevent monopolies developing and set the maximum price
Did Germany not have a dig for victory thing going on?
massive recyling yeah and also gardening. mostly though expropriate the food from everywhere else in europe. tik (or goebbels...) is overestimating the food crisis. there wasn't a food crisis for the gudaryans of the world. no coffee.
I'm serious, the biggest food shortage was a lack of coffee, then cigarettes and cola. and the nazis opposed cigarettes before the war anyway.
other then coffee, chocolate and cigarettes there was plenty of food, even meat, but of course all the best food goes to the military first.
Socialism n a nutshell !!!
MeinKraft!😂🤣 a little warning about these jokes, TIK! There's drink everywhere now...
Tik, would you please, if you could, respond to this video from Indy Neidell: Why the Nazis Weren’t Socialists - ‘The Good Hitler Years’ | BETWEEN 2 WARS I 1937 Part 2 of 2 ?
It seems to me you were wrong calling the Nazis socialists when they really were not.
The semantics over Hitler's usage of the word "socialist" is because he viewed Marxism as having corrupted the definitions of socialism. Its why people are stuck today attempting to accuse German Fascism as being modern day "socialists." Tik himself is stuck in this hole.
I was not wrong ua-cam.com/video/eCkyWBPaTC8/v-deo.html
@@AgendaFiles I totally agree. I think just because it is named The German Socialist Party doesn't necessarily means it is socialist.
Hey Andy Niedel... This is totally "capitalism"
How did his diary not get found by the authorities of the time? What became of the author after the war?
Hi Tik, I would like to ask you if you read any books from Paul Carell? I read Foxes of the Desert and the seems to me ok, but after I learn who Paul Carell is I am not sure if some of the stories could be trustworthy. Your opinion on the matter would be highly appreciated.
PS: Thank you for the great work you doing and good luck.
A bit of a coincidental Easter Egg, the link given to the video starts with gPOW
So basically he had the same economic philosophy as Hitler. It's just that all the "racism and war stuff" he was opposed to.
Your videos would be so much better if you didn't compulsively get every possible partisan jab in. That you can't talk 5 minutes about a social democrat without inserting your own political opinions should be warning sign enough for anyone who wants to listen to anything you say about economics or politics.
Like, a social Democrat who sees an enormous amount of his taxes go towards preparing an offensive war, public suppression and murder of parts of the population doesn't have the right to complain? Despite being firmly against all of them?
"Like, a social Democrat who sees an enormous amount of his taxes go towards preparing an offensive war, public suppression and murder of parts of the population doesn't have the right to complain? Despite being firmly against all of them?"
What are you talking about? That's exactly what Social Democracy is!
Democracy is 'People Power'. Except the People are the Public, and the Public is the State.
So Democracy is 'State Power'. ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html
This is exactly what Hitler implemented - a Social Democracy (he called it a "People's State" in Mein Kampf, and also a Volksgemeinschaft or "people's community" elsewhere). As the guy who created Fascism (Giovanni Gentile) made clear, the State is the manifestation of the people (People = Public = State).
If the State wants war, the people want war. If the people want war, the State wants war. That's why the people are currently calling for suppression and economic lock ups, and 'democrats' all over the world are bowing down to the people. The democrats also want suppression and economic lock ups, so the people also bow down to the democrats. There is no difference.
@@TheImperatorKnight Wow, first you claim Nazism is socialism, then you claim Nazism is social democracy?
Do you have any idea how many socialists and social democrats were killed in concentration camps?
You have to use your old cheap trick of just substituting words that aren't synonymous, but this time you have to do it in steps to further hide how insane your substitutions are.
No, Nazi Germany wasn't a social democracy. That's why today's Nordic countries don't look much like it.
Why do you fell this compulsive need to lump everyone who disagrees with anarchocaptitalism together? Is that the only way you can defend your own anarchocaptitalism?
"You're not an anarchocaptitalist? You know who else wasn't? Hitler!!1!!"
That's the substance of what you're saying. Except you equate, obfuscate and muddle until "not anarchocaptitalist" becomes "socialist" or "social democrat" or whatever you want.
"Wow, first you claim Nazism is socialism, then you claim Nazism is social democracy?"
No, Hitler claimed Nazism was Social(ism) Democracy (a People's State). I just pointed that out to you. I said that all Socialism is Democracy, and Democracy is Socialism. Social Democracy is just Socialism by another name.
"Do you have any idea how many socialists and social democrats were killed in concentration camps?"
Nazis were also killed in the concentration camps if they crossed Hitler. You weren't put in a concentration camp because of your political views necessarily.
"No, Nazi Germany wasn't a social democracy. That's why today's Nordic countries don't look much like it."
The Nordic countries don't have a welfare state? Or central banks? Or nationalized public transportation? Or Corporations (trade unions)?
"Why do you fell this compulsive need to lump everyone who disagrees with anarchocaptitalism together? Is that the only way you can defend your own anarchocaptitalism?"
I don't lump them all together. Monarchists are not Socialists, for example. I just say that all Socialists are Socialists, and all Socialists should stop trying to claim that they're not REAL Socialists when I have the evidence and the facts to expose them for the liars that they actually are. Again ua-cam.com/video/ksAqr4lLA_Y/v-deo.html
"you equate, obfuscate and muddle until "not anarchocaptitalist" becomes "socialist" or "social democrat" or whatever you want."
Incorrect. There are other political doctrines. But people calling for State control are called Socialists. They may claim that they're not, or claim that they are, or pretend that others who called themselves Socialists weren't 'real' Socialists, but I'm not falling for it.
@@TheImperatorKnight And since Hitler claimed it, it must be correct, right? Do you trust everyone this much or just Hitler? Or is it only possible for people to lie when they say they aren't socialist?
Also Democracy does not mean a people's State, it means rule of the people, from demos/people + kratia/rulership. So immediately you're wrong.
Democracy is socialism? So Athens was the first socialist country? Ridiculous.
According to your fucked up definition of socialism = state control, yes absolute monarchy would be a form of socialism. And anarcho-communism wouldn't be. You never responded to this point before though, so feel free to continue to ignore how much nonsense that is.
The Nordic countries now look like Nazi Germany to you? Is that your point? Is that seriously... You read in great detail about the countless atrocities the Nazis committed, the genocide the...
And then you look at the happiest, wealthiest places in the world and think "they decided to have a social safety net. That's basically the same thing."
I'm truly disgusted. Are these just numbers to you? Have you never visited a concentration camp or a holocaust museum or something?
Anyway, socialism defined by actual socialists themselves is "The worker's ownership of the means of production". That's it. You can't play with it and exchange words until something comes out you want. Workers are not a State. Ownership is not control is not regulation.
@@TheImperatorKnight What you mean monarchists are not socialists? Don't they raise taxes? Also don't they exert control over the economy? What Saudi Arabia does is state control over the economy right?
I was almost pushing like button, but this constant wining about socialdemocrats and including your own political views to presentation made me not to push like this time..
Regarding your highly recomended video: "Keep your guns and buy more guns..." really, Tik? At this point I coould not bare it longer and quit. This lady is so what deranged not regarding her memories about the Nazi Reich but about many of her resulting "conlusions".
She is clearly deluded and taking the things she remembers correctly pretty out of context. I mean, this is a memoir like speech to begin with, and I have heard many ludicrous ones of these from the time of WW2, but she is obviously either consciously painting a NS = left agenda or just misremembering from her decades in the right wing bubble.
I'd actually find it interesting to her TIK talk about that video and why he recommends it.
This channel is used to subtly promote TIK's own right-wing politics/apologetics/revisionism, rather than to give an accurate, factual and honest look at history. He cherry picks sources, accounts and mixes in his own value judgements. That's not what a true historian would do. That's what a manipulator would do.
@@uschurch O tempora, o mores! Would this channel be deleted, if he said that Biafra's famine was caused by Biafra's socialism? I wonder.
@@jussim.konttinen4981 I don't know. I don't want his channel to be deleted. I want him to not pose as a historian if in reality he's just a revisionist/populist. Him promoting a video from a 2013 PE campaign in the US, where a clearly deluded lady rants about democrats and equates them to fascists, adds absolutely no historical information and only serves TIK's right-wing apologetics.
@@uschurch I am a sympathizer, but I’m not a fan of interventionism and preemptive strikes. Rather, I am in favor of small nations such as Quebec, Scotland, Ireland and Estonia.
Hey Tik, Slightly off topic, Have you seen the Russian series Blood Upon the Snow? there is also an associated book by Richard Overy which I'm pretty sure you have. You can find version English version online if you know where to look.😉😉
I like the sources in the video.
Hi TIK i was wondering if you ever considered creating a discord server? Or would that open a can of worms for trolls. As always great video
I think that'd be great. But yes, it would need very heavy moderator support. And having a 5-10$ patron donation level would help gatekeep some.
Trolls=Your Neighbours...
Well, he censors his own comment section pretty rigidly. Don't worry, you will all be safe in your bubble :) and won't have to hear dissenting voices.
@@uschurch sorry to hear this...
@@uschurch Please don't speak up for me ...
26:36 anything off the table? The biggest shortage of all people power.
Excellent work TIK!
Excellent video, altho the dig at the guys belief and the Federal Reserve seems to be uncalled for.
The real tragedies seem not to be at the front but in the rear. To the civilians both foreign and national
I wish Tik would do a video on Jews in the werhmacht
So did Kellner survive the war? Seeing as there are no entries after September 1944 I would think not?
You find hhim in wikipedia. He died 1970.
...and Germany was mostly agrarian at that time
So what happened to this Kellner did he end up in a concentration camp?
Well according to Wikipedia, he was appointed to a higher position when the Allies showed up and then worked on de-nazification boards post-war. Then did some other political work with the Social Dems.
@@general2109 Seems strange to me that a known social democrat opposed to Hitler was keeping such highly critical diaries of the Nazis. Wasn't he afraid the Gestapo might knock on his door and find them? In Stalin's Russia such people ended up in a gulag much more quickly...
@Strgar Strgar: Kellner probably ended up on some beach in Florida, laughing at the fools who take his diary seriously.
@@BoskoBuha99 People tend to overrate the ability of the Gestapo to watch over the population quite a lot. Over all it was stretched quite thin and heavily relied on ordinary civilians reporting their neighbours, relatives, colleagues etc.
After the war of course many claimed that the Gestapo was all knowing and all seeing in order to hide the fact that they were in the best case passive or more often than not complicit in the machinations of the third Reich.
So as long as no neighbour reported him and the state officials had more important things to do he was safe.
@@Xfire209
Exactly.
The Gestapo responded to delation by neighbors.
Oh why did you send me to that old lady with a poor memory of anecdotes and nonsense!
Thank you for the interesting video, sir.
Has anyone ever examined Kellner's diary such as a handwriting expert?
I'd like to be reassured his diary is a daily/weekly contemporarous notation. Otherwise, if its compiled after the war, it has no added value as perceptions change over time.
the guy died in1970. The diary was handed over to his American grandson when he still alive.
@@yulusleonard985 Correct. So he had a few decades to write it...or his grandson did.
I am the grandson of Friedrich Kellner and the editor and translator of the Cambridge University Press edition of his diary. I understand how original source documents can raise questions about authenticity, particularly in light of the "Hitler diary" fraud of many years ago. The ten original notebooks of the Kellner diary, which include almost 900 handwritten pages in the Old German Sütterlin style and more than 500 newspaper clippings and illustrations from Nazi-controlled newspapers, were exhibited in Berlin and Bonn by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation (associated with the Social Democratic Party) in 2009 and 2010. The diary was readily authenticated not only by age, paper and ink but with a comparison of numerous official handwritten documents written by my grandfather when he was the courthouse administrator in Laubach from 1933-1950. His diary was published in two volumes in Germany in 2011, under the title "Vernebelt, verdunkelt sind alle Hirne" ("Darkened and clouded are all the minds"), and in 2012 the German government subsidized a paperback edition to make it available at a reduced price for educators and students. The city of Mainz, where my grandfather campaigned against the National Socialists, has designated Friedrich and Pauline Kellner's burial site a "Grave of Honor." The town of Laubach, where he risked his life to write the diary, now has a street named after him.