it's the difference between the order failing to live up to its ideals, versus those ideals being wrong i think there's an interesting conversation to be had about that exact question, are the jedi ideals wrong? but this show simply does not examine that question
Aren't they sentient or at least semi-sentient? I feel like it was definitely time for some senate representation, especially after some severe rancor rights violations were represented in both the Book of Boba Fett and Return of the Jedi!
Did you see Mookie, the baby Rankor in the Bad Batch now she was tough but quite the sweetie? Unfortunately, I think Luke had to kill her(after she’d grown up and was going to eat him) in ROJ but I still cried anyway. Maybe it was another Rankor.
@@LeeDukes-f6s Yeah I saw. I couldn't remember if it was Bad Batch or Clone Wars, cause last summer I binged it all for the first time, but yeah, I remember.
Vernestra has a unique force ability explained in the High republic books where she can get uncontrollable force visions while travelling in hyperspace. That is what the "headaches" are referencing.
Season 2 subplot: Plaguois (butchered that) being completely paranoid that he’s been found out and is doing everything he can to not give himself away despite the Jedi having absolutely no idea he exists
The only letter you got wrong was the o instead of an e (I had to look it up) it's Darth plagueis but I would love to hear the word Darth plaguois in the French dub of the show
Jedi finding him and going "Oh, we found Mister Damask of Damask Holdings, reported missing after the attack! Quick get him to safety! Save him from the red bladed freaks!"
To be fair, it’s still not conclusive that the Sith are still around. As far as he she knows some Jedi went rogue and Sol was the overall mastermind of it.
@Kyle-fp5lm um.... she knew qmir. So at the very least she knew someone else was involved. And she also said sorry old friend to his body. So she knew she was throwing him under the bus. But why it makes no sense. I don't understand why she would do that instead of just saying hey we had an issue with a Padawan etc. He went rogue. Etc.
@pineapplepapercrafts cuz its her Padawan lmao, she'd be the one in trouble and again, she's also worried about politics but mostly herself which is why she's covering this whole debacle up
@@pineapplepapercraftsBut that's exactly what senator Rankor was arguing. He was basically saying that there must be greater accountability and transparency from the jedi. He also argue that not if but when a jedi snaps and goes rogue who is going to keep them in check. If Venestra had admit there and then to him "oh you know Senator Rankor, I had this padawn whose name is qimir and I tried to kill him after I realised that he snap jus like you suggested but some how he survived and Oh! by the way, I think he is responsible for all of these murders" Rankor would have rallied the rest of the senate and demanded an immediate review of the jedi order
The Senator was arguing that the Jedi need to be held accountable if they're going to receive public funding. The Jedi are determined to project a serene public image in order to preserve their independence, which is why Mace Windu downplayed concerns Count Dooku could be organising political assassinations, and screw the evidence.
Great analysis, again. It’s a shame that so many people decided to use this show for other purposes, instead of watching it with an open mind and thinking about these really interesting elements.
@@TriggaTrey361 Sidious might disagree, he worked all sides from all angles for him becoming an Emperor is just a testament to his powers as a Sith. Remember, I think he said Everything has gone as he had forseen it(was that in ROJ, with the Sith playing the long game, I stress the word everything). Well everything did go according to his manipulations. If 10k Jedi did not sense one Sith as powerful as Sidious(even when Quigon warned them), the senate was probably as ignorant as sheep. Plagueis picked the right guy that is for sure.
Allen just causally giving us a tale of a young Jedi’s hope turn to disillusionment after what I assume to be the Star Wars equivalent of the sinking of the lusitania on mega crack. Why didn’t they make this the show?
I think there's something important missing from this conversation. Plagueis was working against the Jedi Order long before Palpatine took up that particular mission. If he's in play here, then things like the Senate audit and even Qimir corrupting Mae and Osha to cause the kind of cover up the Jedi were forced to put in place may all be part of the Sith's plan to rot the Jedi and turn the public against them.
I agree the Sith were playing the long game. Plagueis eventually chose an apprentice who really moved things along. Unfortunately, for Plagueis that apprentice was Sidious who preferred that there be only one. Maybe Sidious was a secret Highlander or something who knew!
I think Vernestra not taking Rayencourt and the rest of the Senate seriously is what's gonna lead to the downfall of the Jedi. both Rayencourt and Aniseya had lines that directly referenced Anakin's fall to the dark side and Order 66 happening.
The Jedi's "good intentions" weren't what led to their downfall. It was their complacency, ignorance, inability to be flexible, that failed to equip Anakin with what he needed to have better judgement and not fall for Palpatine's machinations. Having "good intentions" is not the problem. Even if they never took Anakin and sat out the Clone Wars, Palpatine still would've won.
Having senate oversight of the Jedi seems like it could have been an early stage of the Sith plot to further manipulate the jedi. Palpatine does completely control the Senate by the time of ROTS. He would have defacto controlled the Jedi in that case as well. He already sort of did, which is why Mace has to lead a small strike team to arrest him and he talks to Yoda about how it is parallel to treason.
Master Sol was a kind, compassionate man and a good Jedi, but he was a flawed man that did terrible things that he could never let go of himself. He was such a wonderfully complex character. He’ll be missed.
It wasn't Vernestra that destroyed the Jedi, or even Anakin or Palpatine and the Sith.... it was politics. By the time of the prequels, the Republic was a shadow of their former glory, weakened by internal corruption and massive levels of bureaucracy. And the Jedi Order was marching down the path right alongside them, following the will of the Senate or the Supreme Chancellor without question or hesitation, even when they should have clearly known they were in the wrong. Look at how Han and some of the rebels, as well as several of Vader's officers, react to the mention of the Jedi in A New Hope... they're dismissive, unbelieving. And this isn't even 20 years after Order 66 -- the Jedi had stopped being relevant to the galaxy at large long before then. They were no longer the galaxy's peacekeepers... they were just political pawns. If you were a wealthy and influential politician, like Padme, you could have your own private security detail of Jedi assigned to you... but if you were a poor commoner, like Shmi, then oh well, sucks to be you, don't get attached and all. The only time a commoner might interact with a Jedi is if one of their neighbors reported they had a Force sensitive child -- then the Jedi might show up looking for a new conscript. Beyond that, they're as relevant to the day-to-day lives of a Republic citizen as a random ATF or Secret Service officer is to mine -- neither of us will ever see or interact with them.
Her hiding the Sith is a huge deal. It feels like you're someone who worked on the show trying to understate how insanely her decision affects the canon. If she had told everyone, the Jedi might have actually detached themselves from politics and said "whoa, the sith are back. Give us a bit to study the old ways, we're going AWOL from the senate until they're taken care of." The only reason it got political in the prequels is because there were armies involved. But no such armies exist at this time. Therefore this is a more personal matter to deal with, not political. But of course, her not telling them MAKES it political in the future. Also Yoda is either an idiot or complicit now which completely ruins his character.
The Naboo Crisis and the Clone Wars represented a failure of the inward-looking Senate to manage the outer planets that joined up during the High Republic era. The Republic demanded taxation and Force sensitive children, but threw regional conflicts and lack of public services into the too-hard basket. The Separatists felt exploited and wanted to break away, but the Republic had grown too dependent on their revenue and resources to let them go. By agreeing to become generals in the Grand Army the Jedi were taking on the role of oppressors, alienating the outer planets; by attempting to overthrow Supreme Chancellor Palpatine in a military coup after the war was over the Jedi alienated the core worlds as well.
@@akdreamer6497 She was emphasizing the political nature of their relationship throughout the series -- she was clearly afraid of Senate oversight of the Jedi's operations. Which makes her choices very politically motivated, not a personal matter. The way the Jedi are portrayed makes it very clear they're in a role much like the Judicial branch of a government as well, not just a bunch of do-gooders out to save the universe. And save the baseless deflections for someone who cares. Because I don't really care one iota what you "feel" my job is -- you can google my resume if you're that cringe.
@@olencone4005 I wasn't saying it was a personal matter for her (though she has personal attachment to Qimir). I was saying that if she had told the Jedi, it would have been a personal matter for the Jedi to deal with the Sith. In the prequels it becomes political because there are whole armies and star systems involved in the conflict. I wasn't dunking on her reasoning, I was trying to say that saying she's completely blameless is disingenuous. Also, why so aggressive bro?
Yeah, I've got plenty of problems with how Disney has handled Star Wars, but the idea that the Jedi should never make mistakes and it's somehow Disney ruining the Jedi if they do is just stupid. Just because the Jedi get things wrong doesn't make the Sith any less evil or mean that the light side is wrong. If Jedi never screwed up, Yoda wouldn't have been able to literally have face-to-face conversations with Darth Sidious on a daily basis without realizing it.
1. In general, these Jedi are just waaaaaaaaay more Emotional than the standard Jedi should be. 2. Yoda should be an Adult Jedi Master right now in this timeline, not an Old-man Council Seat member. 3. If she is an "Inquisitor" like character than has the power to do whatever she wants, then why does she have to lie to everyone? Can't she just say "That's classified." or something? 4. Why did they leave May? Couldn't they just take her with them? I mean May had her mind erased, but that's not a sure way to make sure she can't help the Jedi find them.
You have the unenviable task of explaining nuance to a kindergartner culture that struggles to maintain more than two ideas at any time, good vs. evil is all they see. I truly appreciate the nuance of the story telling and how you are explaining it. Subscribers are Sweet!
I doubt that all the people that really don’t like the show can only a see good vs evil. The problem with the show is how the story is told and executed. Plot points and character motivations are all over the place. You can like the nuances in regard to themes and the idea of duality and the fact that no one is ever completely good or evil. But the Jedi was never seen as just hero’s to most of the die hard fan base there are many stories of fallen Jedi and even grey Jedi; there are even stories of Sith that didn’t exclusively commit evil acts in the extended universe. But this story is done poorly and the way the story is put across is sub par considering the I.P and the budget. That’s the main reason why people are in uproar
@@boluanidugbe511 fair enough. Don’t like it don’t watch it. In a Yelp World, ai still believe that not every thing one thinks should leave their head. At the core of making a big deal out of discrepancies and publishing them vehemently, there are clicks and dollars attached to it. Genuine analysis is fair, no doubt. I necessarily care, no offense. The acting in the lead was mostly stale getting better at the end of the show, in my opinion. Big Deal. That’s just it, it’s all option. I’m more concerned with understanding the back stories from novelizations and more that I’m not familiar with. Also, I’m a fan of not reacting right away to much of anything in life, let alone Star Wars, lol! At the end of the day, it’s just entertainment; it’s just Star Wars. I got to see light sabers and escape reality for a bit. Woohoo! It’s cool seeing stories from books that I never read in live action. It’s even cooler to get a cool breakdown from somebody who knows and is nuanced themselves.
@@thevicmeiershow I only have issue with your comment because you’re suggesting people can’t understand nuance. But that’s not ppls issue. The issue is the story telling is poor and the decision making and critical thinking of the characters is on the floor but you can enjoy what you want I guess no biggie. If you liked it that’s fine but it’s also fine for ppl to not like it
@@thevicmeiershow "there are clicks and dollars attached to it." SWT and Thor Skywalker both said their best engagement/views/revenue came when Mando S2 was out and everyone was positive. Sorry that doesn't fit your MSM narrative. "At the end of the day, it’s just entertainment" No, it's not just entertainment, it's art, and a lot of it these days is lazy and dumb and uninspiring. And a strong society needs good art, not just distraction. Ironic that you started your thread whining about others not being able to view things in a sophisticated way and yet here you are, with this poorly constructed nonsense. As the above comment says, there's nuance in Lucas' work and the audience were able to perceive and relate to that. Having clearly defined archetypes in Lucas' franchise doesn't mean it's not nuanced, or that audiences can't perceive or appreciate it.
I would have warmed to the Acolyte if Vernestra Rho had been found out at the end of the season. I’m okay with people being flawed and complicated, but I’m also a fan of the good guys winning at the end of the day, and I’m also tired of the Jedi’s flaws being pointed out again and again.
I love that this show is, finally, making canon how the Jedi order fell as well as how the Sith plan was playing the long game to attack the Jedi from every corner of the Galaxy.
1st, I thought this was sarcasm. Then, well, idk... I guess I realized what YT channel I was watching. You know there's a little thing called the PREQUEL TRILOGY!
Years down the road, new fans will stream this show with no knowledge of the culture war nonsense and just get to appreciate what an important part of the story it is.
@@corinneferrarolam5101 Press X to doubt. If anything I see way more likely that years down the road Star Wars is gonna be what Anime was 20 years ago in terms of public perception.
@@Loki_Yogi The prequel trilogy was the last chapter of the fall of the Jedi. The political machinations of Bane's plans began a thousand years prior to the prequels. Personally, I would love to see the Sith's perspective of that millennia of the dark curtain falling over the galaxy that blinded the Jedi, caused the Clone Wars, and twisted the Galactic Senate into a tool of the Sith.
Thank you for your always thoughtful analysis, which goes much deeper than just Stat Wars. You beautifully incorporate elements of human nature, and comparisons with our own historical events. I also appreciate your positivity, you’re well spoken, and seem like a genuinely deep, and cool guy. Thank you!
Three sayings come into mind: a) The path to hell is paved with good intentions b) When people think alike, no one is thinking c)Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This show encompasses all of these and is quite pivotal in the star wars lore. We are witnessing the beginning of the destruction of the jedi order and how their willing to keep secrets will be the engine that drives them to their demise in their prequels.
I like your retelling and explaination of Acolyte. It makes for a compelling companion piece to the show. While the themes explored and the story presented have a lot of merit, Acolyte, for me, hit some of the deepest lows in Star Wars. It was a bitter pill to swallow, so I'm very glad you were here to save me from thoughtlessly hating it. Good work and thank you! Ill be eagerly looking out for what you have for us next!
The real question is, why would osha think of trusting and join Kymir after she watched him kill all her friends. How did she suddenly use force choak after not using the force in many many years. Are they implying that with just emotion anyone who has had some kind of training can just start using abilities that masters are capable of doing. Na let’s be real here, they are just rewriting their own version of anakin
i think she has special status maybe, i mean she reports directly to yoda which really makes things interesting, it could be he's sensed the threat of plagueis this entire time
@@GenerationTechIf that's true why is Yoda quick to dismiss the return of the Sith 100 years later in the Phantom Menace? This shows the Jedi in a whole new light and makes things more interesting.
@tbd3058 or...they do know and you're just use to being in an echo chamber of "it's bad writing" without even knowing the beginning of what good or bad writing is. Calling something bad writing when you just have a chip on your shoulder is arguing in bad faith.
I just think that "rogue" Jedi should be a VERY small minority in canon, because wouldn't it be difficult to hide your feelings from the hundreds of other Jedi that are around you? Yoda should be able to call out Venestra on sight before she even speaks a word. Everyone knew Anakin was troubled, just not how deeply it went. Yoda felt his anger when he slaughtered the Tuskens. I just don't see how secrets can be kept when most of the people around you can basically read your mind
Your videos about the show are better written and more thought out than the show was. There’s a saying about “good people doing horrific things for terrific reasons” that gets used when talking about WW2 a lot. I think it applies to Venestra.
So those "headaches" that Vernestra experienced are apparently her receiving Force Visions. This is apparently established in the High Republic books as per the videos I have seen from Star Wars Explained and a quick google search seems to agree with this information. If true this shows she potentially knows more than she tells others and is keen to keep it to herself.
I love when Allan breaks down all the cooler aspects of the High Republic and the new books combining it with material most Legends fans know as well to make this sort of 'across the aisle' reach while giving us a lesson on the subject he's speaking on.
The mirroring of the scene where Vernestra speaks to Mae with the scene from RotJ where the Luke meets Palpatine. "You no longer need those" "Guards, leave us"
Just a heads up… Venestra’s “head issues” in hyperspace have nothing to do w the hyperspace tragedy… Venestra has a unique Jedi ability.. she has “visions” when she travels through hyperspace… in fact it was during one of these visions she “saw” herself wielding a lightsaber whip.. she built it in secret because it was not allowed and she ended up saving the lives of 12 Jedi with the whip … after that she was allowed to keep it
"Apologies Master Vernestra for my long absence. In talks with the chairman of Damask holdings I was. Long winded he is. Need something did you?" " Oh no, nothing I couldnt handle Master Yoda. If you would just sign off on these death certificates I'll be on my way." " Always a joy it is to see those around you transform into the Force." " Agreed, Master Yoda." " How was Mr. Damask?" " On edge he was. Kept speeking about being on the vergence of a major breaktgrough." " A vergence you say??? How odd.."
Eventually, the Sith infiltrated the Senate and put the Jedi under Congressional control of the Senate based on when and where can they intervene, act, and execute their duty as shown in Dooku Jedi Lost.
Given that the Republic Senate later stood by and did nothing when Palpatine ordered the extermination of the Jedi, Vernestra was right not to trust them.
I like that the Jedi are portrayed as flawed, but it seems too heavy handed. Too many Jedi are shady or bad. The finale would of had more impact had Sol been a proper and good Jedi. Venestra throwing him under the bus felt deserved. Because Sol did disobeyed the Jedi council and was lead by emotions.
Yes this show is the best Star Wars shows on Disney + besides Andor of course. Even with its flaws, this show is leagues above Kenobi, Boba, and the recent Mando seasons
@@Loki_Yogi So it was good reasons to review bomb it before the eps even dropped? Or talk smack about the actress race, or the director identity, or whatever the phantom menace of the SW fandom yak about constantly.
It's clear that the Senate has been given reason not to trust the Jedi. A relationship doesn't breakdown easily when there's absolute transparency and Vernestra shows that she's manipulating the truth to both her Jedi colleagues and the Senate, which is not a standard of those who carry the light. Sol was also of the same mind, when he refers to how the Senate is looking for something.. to feed their fears. When Palpatine takes the role of Chancellor and says the Jedi were attempting to topple him; the whole galaxy believed him, as from this moment with Vernestra, they were no longer a believer in democracy or the republic. Will Vernestra lie to Yoda? How many more Jedi feel they need to hide from the Senate? Will Yoda see though her? The two parts related to Vernestra was that she sensed her padawan and said 'You?! You're alive?' to Qimir.. Wondering what their last encounter was now. Also did Jacki put Qimir at such a disadvantage, that he had to use his Shodo weapon? She was very aggressive and Qimir was struggling to keep pace.. Of the twins, was Osha the stronger one all along?
@@tenn_ore little things like that right there is exactly what was wrong with the pacing of this show. To many little things that could had a better impact had the episodes been an hour long each. Thankfully they set it up nicely in the last episode about their connection
6:14 "Jedi can sense massive amounts of death.", but theres a plothole when Yoda somehow can't sense multiple Jedi being taken down by The Stranger. He can sense Anakin taking down multiple Tuskin Raiders during Attack of the Clones and when Jedi are being eliminated during Order 66, but somehow not multiple Jedi being taken down in one battle? Sure, we teeeechnically don't know this for sure yet but he definitely doesn't come out and say anything about it during the first season.
@@MrSubstance That was a singular death, and switching to Yoda in the middle of the fight scene would have been too random and taken viewers out of the scene. Yoda showing up at the funeral was enough. The Acolyte had sooo many chances to have Yoda appear and address the situation he should have sensed, but he only got three seconds of screen time and no dialogue.
@@Spider-Man647 We can criticize what we see so far and how it doesn't make sense/add up given what we know and hope that later information might make such things make sense. You can't deny the points I've stated though, and I'm not the only one who's pointed them out.
Sensing just isnt consistent in anything , Plaguies was 50 ft away from 2 Jedi fighting a guy behind a rock and didnt sense the devil. Also mass death is more like thousands , even 10 far far away can end up being some event , hell they assumed maybe they got mauled by the wildlife
I enjoyed about the acolyte that many people enjoyed it. I guess it just isn´t my kind of star wars, but I am always happy for others, if they are happy about this. I mean, 10 years ago a life action star wars show was unheard of, and now we have like 5 in the last 5 years. I think that is amazin.
@@Sue_Me_Tooif you only read tantrum forums full of cranky incels, maybe. Most people who watch it have lives of their own and don’t need to throw emotional hissy fits over content made for kids.
@@TF-vb9us I just watch review channels on UA-cam. I haven't come across very many reviews over 5/10, even when I filter out "the usual suspects" who will give Disney Star Wars automatic bad scores
5:55 It's actually revealed during hyperspace travel that she would have visions from the force and would be able to communicate with the dead. That's why it's so unsettling for her to do hyperspace travel
I think she blamed it all on Master Sol. So she could confront Quimr herself. Not realizing that there're two other Sith at play. Even though Quimr may be the impression for the Knights of Wren.
I enjoyed the show, fights were good, the jedi plot was good, qimir plot line was interesting imo, only thing I didn't like, was that we only got 2 seconds of puppet yoda
Great chosen setting for your video. I must say that yours amongst a couple other channels have really helped me gain better perspective on this show that have kept me from otherwise writing it off. I didn’t think negatively of it I was just missing the complexities of it because of the characters feeling rushed and it feeling hard to buy into them as a result. Your video essays have upped a level for me so thank you. I look forward to them. Cheers!
You make an interesting point about the threat of Plagueis suspecting that the Jedi are onto him and wanting to eliminate this from within the republic. When I saw Plagueis I felt he that Kymar was causing trouble by playing dark side, this could mean Kymar is out of control is the eyes of Plagueis and concerned this could alert the Jedi.
Then again about the whole dark side hunter thing Yoda probably set this up alone. Was the decision the right one, yes. But not without valid pushback. My thoughts after examining the evidence are that the High Council as a whole would've ultimately shot the proposal down. As the last three times something like this was done the Jedi royally screwed up. From Zandor and his pupils to the Jedi Covenant/The Padawan Masacure and when they refused to stand aside and let Revan fight the True Sith Empire, to the Jedi turning on the Eternal Alliance leading to genocide and the Alliance's destruction.
I dunno I don't think the writers were bad just season 1 weirdness (remember when riker didn't have a beard on Star Trek? Shit was weird) we just gotta wait and see if s2 sucks too
@@LeafBoye There are good moments in season 1 & 2 of TNG, but the show only really finds its stride in season 3 in my opinion. I somehow doubt the acolyte will follow the same pattern.
@@NotoriousTimI always skipped to the episodes where riker had a beard and watch from there but honestly I think shooting down any show in the first 2 seasons to be unfair and we should just wait for the whole story to be complete
I’m just afraid that we’ll never find out what was in that conversation between Vernestra and Yoda because of the uninformed and irrational opposition to this series.
LIked this video even just for all the historical ww2 comparisons. I haven't watched the Acolyte, but it's great to see an analysis that's not just bashing on the show.
Here's the fundamental problem with most modern star wars interpretations that no one really wants to admit. People like allen love the franchise so much they desperately want to find good in It and i'm not convinced they always Realize how much negative they have to go through To find something positive to see. The Acolyte was a great show. If. You ignore the wooden acting bad casting choices, Is corley written dialogue, Storylines that were introduced as being critical and then simply abandoned. Ridiculous motivations for people's actions. Force powers that were displayed with extreme uneveness. Not to mention all the while.The show's creators are basically laughing at their own audience And telling people if you don't like the show stopwatching but If you stop watching, you're a racist or a misogynist or anti gay or whatever. It's a problem when the most exciting theme about a TV show are the things that it hints at but never reveals or minor things in the background.
I think you really misunderstand, i like making good content and making people think. There's a lot of interesting parts of the lore here that adds to things. I don't understand why so many people are offended this time around that i'm covering The Acolyte. I literally have people messaging me saying how dare i cover this and I need to stop. Like, i've done this for every star wars show, including for kenobi and bobf which were far worse...
@@GenerationTechI meant no offense. And love your content. Just not sure you realize how much you (and to be fair, many others) seem to overlook. Your passionate about Star Wars, I was to once. But these really are at best medioce stories. The OG was also. But the OG never tried to be more than a fun space western with wizards.
Tbh the problem with looking at Indara as darker than Venestra is actually Lesley Headland herself because she says Indara has no idea that she would kill anyone severing the connection between the witches and Kelnacca. Yea she half covers it up but its nowhere near the dumb ass green one does to sol at the end. Bad writing.
I think Vernestra becomes more attuned to her gift for sensing impressions from the Force (past, presence, and future) while traveling through hyperspace, yet she is unable to control that aspect of her skill, which leads to the unsettling nature of her visions.
The hit and miss factor of this show is maddening. On one hand, you have the Culture wars, and the clunky characters and spotty writing/pacing and on the other, you have some absolutely stunning performances and visuals, to go with some intriguing new characters and incredible concepts to explain the eventual downfall of the Jedi and the Republic. Yes, they took some creative license, but you had to take some risks and get out of the comfort zone. Having a dependable channel to kind of explain to us some of what is going on is a real benefit.
I enjoy your videos. I also enjoyed the acolyte. it wasn't as woke and in your face at some of the critics indicated. it wasn't incredibly well written, but it was a story and I enjoy stories.
I kind love how Vernestra describes Sol in her final mologue; someone good who did something evil to protect something he loved. Because Vernestra is doing basically the same thing. Instead of being transparent, she organizes a coverup in order to protect something she loves that being the Jedi Order.
In Babylon 5 Delenn is asked if all the 'factions' in her government ever came together. She said yes, and it was almost the end for a species. Great show, watch it if you're able.
Many of the "cannon source police" online i think forget that this is a fictional story and somehow cannot enjoy the story put before them. Like people who cannot except the Book of Enoch because its not in the king James version of the overly edited Bible.
I watched this entire video. Allen was sitting, actually floating, in a Sith Lord throne. But I suspect that was his evil twin, because iI believe in Democracy and the Republic. And, I am Generation Tech!
0:01 Allan casually swinging around while keeping his laptop perfectly balanced.
I just wasn't expecting that, don't know why, but it gave me a good chuckle 😂
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Them Asian thighs lol
Good way to keep viewer engagement
Reminds me of Thor at the beginning of Ragnarok 😅
Imagine if Darth Plagueis was just standing at the tree behind Allan.
*MENACINGLY!*
😂😂😂😂
Spoilers
Imagine you just survived an assassination and you let capt cock out just hang around instead of killing him or his guest
Well we did see Darth Bazel make a cameo. It could happen.
@@TheWarmachine375 I would rather he was on a swing now. Writers can't get anything right!
"Mining incident destroyed alderaan" 💀
I was confused too lol
Discreet humor I the best kind.
Made me think of Praxis, the Klingon moon. 😅
@@TonyMidyett Captain Sulu: An incident?!
it’s the truth stop with your conspiracy theories
dude is going to be behind a Aztec temple in one of these videos
Greenie is the true villain, though her cole detached behavior is consistent with bher species. Especially since she lacks the wisdom of luminara
"They made the Jedi evil!!"
Meanwhile the rest of us have seen how hypocritical and bad of an institution the Jedi order has been for years.
it's the difference between the order failing to live up to its ideals, versus those ideals being wrong
i think there's an interesting conversation to be had about that exact question, are the jedi ideals wrong?
but this show simply does not examine that question
When I heard "Senator Rankor" I thought, "No way, Jabba's beast's species can be a Senator!?!?" 🤣
@@R.senals_Arsenal yes!!!!!!
For me it was senator Raincoat 😂
Aren't they sentient or at least semi-sentient? I feel like it was definitely time for some senate representation, especially after some severe rancor rights violations were represented in both the Book of Boba Fett and Return of the Jedi!
Did you see Mookie, the baby Rankor in the Bad Batch now she was tough but quite the sweetie? Unfortunately, I think Luke had to kill her(after she’d grown up and was going to eat him) in ROJ but I still cried anyway. Maybe it was another Rankor.
@@LeeDukes-f6s Yeah I saw. I couldn't remember if it was Bad Batch or Clone Wars, cause last summer I binged it all for the first time, but yeah, I remember.
whys bro always in a new place💀
Being an illegal light sabre reseller, he has to be always one step ahead of the Jedi.
I like it it makes him unique
I mean, he can’t spend ALL his time on Coruscant
Gotta keep the high ground
Variety is the spice of life ^_^
Vernestra has a unique force ability explained in the High republic books where she can get uncontrollable force visions while travelling in hyperspace. That is what the "headaches" are referencing.
But it's her stomach the writers just couldn't keep there story straight
@@HuskerPower97she literally said it wasn't her stomach
@@HuskerPower97 yeah it’s only brought up twice and one of the times she corrects the Senator who assumes it’s her stomach
@@bigfloppa9594 she did earlier then TN episode 8 she said it was her head.
@@HuskerPower97bruh did you even watch the show?
Season 2 subplot: Plaguois (butchered that) being completely paranoid that he’s been found out and is doing everything he can to not give himself away despite the Jedi having absolutely no idea he exists
The only letter you got wrong was the o instead of an e (I had to look it up) it's Darth plagueis but I would love to hear the word Darth plaguois in the French dub of the show
Jedi finding him and going "Oh, we found Mister Damask of Damask Holdings, reported missing after the attack! Quick get him to safety! Save him from the red bladed freaks!"
*New force power revealed* Sith Paranoia
just remember Plague + is. Took me a minute to get it right too. lol
In my head canon, Qimir and Osha walk back to the cave hand in hand, and are immediately killed by Darth Plagueis for being false sith.
Man she threw sol under the bus so fast rather than admit the sith are still around
To be fair, it’s still not conclusive that the Sith are still around. As far as he she knows some Jedi went rogue and Sol was the overall mastermind of it.
@Kyle-fp5lm um.... she knew qmir. So at the very least she knew someone else was involved. And she also said sorry old friend to his body. So she knew she was throwing him under the bus. But why it makes no sense. I don't understand why she would do that instead of just saying hey we had an issue with a Padawan etc. He went rogue. Etc.
@pineapplepapercrafts cuz its her Padawan lmao, she'd be the one in trouble and again, she's also worried about politics but mostly herself which is why she's covering this whole debacle up
@@pineapplepapercraftsBut that's exactly what senator Rankor was arguing. He was basically saying that there must be greater accountability and transparency from the jedi. He also argue that not if but when a jedi snaps and goes rogue who is going to keep them in check. If Venestra had admit there and then to him "oh you know Senator Rankor, I had this padawn whose name is qimir and I tried to kill him after I realised that he snap jus like you suggested but some how he survived and Oh! by the way, I think he is responsible for all of these murders" Rankor would have rallied the rest of the senate and demanded an immediate review of the jedi order
The Senator was arguing that the Jedi need to be held accountable if they're going to receive public funding. The Jedi are determined to project a serene public image in order to preserve their independence, which is why Mace Windu downplayed concerns Count Dooku could be organising political assassinations, and screw the evidence.
Great analysis, again. It’s a shame that so many people decided to use this show for other purposes, instead of watching it with an open mind and thinking about these really interesting elements.
Bro is such a delight he singlehandly makes me like The Acolyte more 😂
I love the random Kitty walking around in the background
Senator Rankor predicted Anakin's Betrayal and the Fall of the Jedi perfectly
is did momma aniysea
The senate betrayed itself it gave power to Sidious a literal dark lord of the sith that wasn’t the Jedi’s doing in my opinion
@@TriggaTrey361 Sidious might disagree, he worked all sides from all angles for him becoming an Emperor is just a testament to his powers as a Sith. Remember, I think he said Everything has gone as he had forseen it(was that in ROJ, with the Sith playing the long game, I stress the word everything). Well everything did go according to his manipulations. If 10k Jedi did not sense one Sith as powerful as Sidious(even when Quigon warned them), the senate was probably as ignorant as sheep. Plagueis picked the right guy that is for sure.
It's easy to write a character to predict the future when the future was released in films 20 years ago :P
Allen just causally giving us a tale of a young Jedi’s hope turn to disillusionment after what I assume to be the Star Wars equivalent of the sinking of the lusitania on mega crack.
Why didn’t they make this the show?
I think there's something important missing from this conversation. Plagueis was working against the Jedi Order long before Palpatine took up that particular mission. If he's in play here, then things like the Senate audit and even Qimir corrupting Mae and Osha to cause the kind of cover up the Jedi were forced to put in place may all be part of the Sith's plan to rot the Jedi and turn the public against them.
I agree the Sith were playing the long game. Plagueis eventually chose an apprentice who really moved things along. Unfortunately, for Plagueis that apprentice was Sidious who preferred that there be only one. Maybe Sidious was a secret Highlander or something who knew!
People forget that the Sith were originally Jedi.
I think Vernestra not taking Rayencourt and the rest of the Senate seriously is what's gonna lead to the downfall of the Jedi. both Rayencourt and Aniseya had lines that directly referenced Anakin's fall to the dark side and Order 66 happening.
The Jedi's "good intentions" weren't what led to their downfall. It was their complacency, ignorance, inability to be flexible, that failed to equip Anakin with what he needed to have better judgement and not fall for Palpatine's machinations. Having "good intentions" is not the problem. Even if they never took Anakin and sat out the Clone Wars, Palpatine still would've won.
Having senate oversight of the Jedi seems like it could have been an early stage of the Sith plot to further manipulate the jedi. Palpatine does completely control the Senate by the time of ROTS. He would have defacto controlled the Jedi in that case as well. He already sort of did, which is why Mace has to lead a small strike team to arrest him and he talks to Yoda about how it is parallel to treason.
@@matthewk4912 You took "good intentions" too literally...
Master Sol was a kind, compassionate man and a good Jedi, but he was a flawed man that did terrible things that he could never let go of himself. He was such a wonderfully complex character. He’ll be missed.
0:58 Qimir about to do his Old Spice commercial moment.
I love how you always have something different, love how engaging you are. It's so easy to listen to ya
I love your breakdowns. You break down the political, socioeconomic, and film aspects of Star Wars and I'm proud to be subscribed for years.
It wasn't Vernestra that destroyed the Jedi, or even Anakin or Palpatine and the Sith.... it was politics. By the time of the prequels, the Republic was a shadow of their former glory, weakened by internal corruption and massive levels of bureaucracy. And the Jedi Order was marching down the path right alongside them, following the will of the Senate or the Supreme Chancellor without question or hesitation, even when they should have clearly known they were in the wrong.
Look at how Han and some of the rebels, as well as several of Vader's officers, react to the mention of the Jedi in A New Hope... they're dismissive, unbelieving. And this isn't even 20 years after Order 66 -- the Jedi had stopped being relevant to the galaxy at large long before then. They were no longer the galaxy's peacekeepers... they were just political pawns.
If you were a wealthy and influential politician, like Padme, you could have your own private security detail of Jedi assigned to you... but if you were a poor commoner, like Shmi, then oh well, sucks to be you, don't get attached and all. The only time a commoner might interact with a Jedi is if one of their neighbors reported they had a Force sensitive child -- then the Jedi might show up looking for a new conscript. Beyond that, they're as relevant to the day-to-day lives of a Republic citizen as a random ATF or Secret Service officer is to mine -- neither of us will ever see or interact with them.
politics has the ability to corrupt everything (an interesting parallel to our current reality). The jedi definitely got too wrapped up in it.
Her hiding the Sith is a huge deal. It feels like you're someone who worked on the show trying to understate how insanely her decision affects the canon. If she had told everyone, the Jedi might have actually detached themselves from politics and said "whoa, the sith are back. Give us a bit to study the old ways, we're going AWOL from the senate until they're taken care of." The only reason it got political in the prequels is because there were armies involved. But no such armies exist at this time. Therefore this is a more personal matter to deal with, not political. But of course, her not telling them MAKES it political in the future. Also Yoda is either an idiot or complicit now which completely ruins his character.
The Naboo Crisis and the Clone Wars represented a failure of the inward-looking Senate to manage the outer planets that joined up during the High Republic era. The Republic demanded taxation and Force sensitive children, but threw regional conflicts and lack of public services into the too-hard basket. The Separatists felt exploited and wanted to break away, but the Republic had grown too dependent on their revenue and resources to let them go. By agreeing to become generals in the Grand Army the Jedi were taking on the role of oppressors, alienating the outer planets; by attempting to overthrow Supreme Chancellor Palpatine in a military coup after the war was over the Jedi alienated the core worlds as well.
@@akdreamer6497 She was emphasizing the political nature of their relationship throughout the series -- she was clearly afraid of Senate oversight of the Jedi's operations. Which makes her choices very politically motivated, not a personal matter. The way the Jedi are portrayed makes it very clear they're in a role much like the Judicial branch of a government as well, not just a bunch of do-gooders out to save the universe.
And save the baseless deflections for someone who cares. Because I don't really care one iota what you "feel" my job is -- you can google my resume if you're that cringe.
@@olencone4005 I wasn't saying it was a personal matter for her (though she has personal attachment to Qimir). I was saying that if she had told the Jedi, it would have been a personal matter for the Jedi to deal with the Sith. In the prequels it becomes political because there are whole armies and star systems involved in the conflict. I wasn't dunking on her reasoning, I was trying to say that saying she's completely blameless is disingenuous. Also, why so aggressive bro?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions - the Jedi are flawed - that's the point of Star Wars.
Yeah, I've got plenty of problems with how Disney has handled Star Wars, but the idea that the Jedi should never make mistakes and it's somehow Disney ruining the Jedi if they do is just stupid. Just because the Jedi get things wrong doesn't make the Sith any less evil or mean that the light side is wrong. If Jedi never screwed up, Yoda wouldn't have been able to literally have face-to-face conversations with Darth Sidious on a daily basis without realizing it.
Gen Tech is my favorite star wars channel!
Good is not something you are, it's something you do.
1. In general, these Jedi are just waaaaaaaaay more Emotional than the standard Jedi should be.
2. Yoda should be an Adult Jedi Master right now in this timeline, not an Old-man Council Seat member.
3. If she is an "Inquisitor" like character than has the power to do whatever she wants, then why does she have to lie to everyone? Can't she just say "That's classified." or something?
4. Why did they leave May? Couldn't they just take her with them? I mean May had her mind erased, but that's not a sure way to make sure she can't help the Jedi find them.
Allan back at it again with another banger of a video 🙏🏻
Was anyone else distracted by the cat in the background? Lol.
Cat? Where!
That was Darth Bazel. Good Sith can hide in plain sight.
Background? This wasn't a Kitty Cat watching video?
@@LeafBoye 8:45
Distracted?! I was overjoyed. I screamed KITTY at my screen and was very sad kitty never showed up again... was it hunting dolphins
You have the unenviable task of explaining nuance to a kindergartner culture that struggles to maintain more than two ideas at any time, good vs. evil is all they see. I truly appreciate the nuance of the story telling and how you are explaining it. Subscribers are Sweet!
I doubt that all the people that really don’t like the show can only a see good vs evil. The problem with the show is how the story is told and executed. Plot points and character motivations are all over the place. You can like the nuances in regard to themes and the idea of duality and the fact that no one is ever completely good or evil. But the Jedi was never seen as just hero’s to most of the die hard fan base there are many stories of fallen Jedi and even grey Jedi; there are even stories of Sith that didn’t exclusively commit evil acts in the extended universe. But this story is done poorly and the way the story is put across is sub par considering the I.P and the budget. That’s the main reason why people are in uproar
@@boluanidugbe511 fair enough. Don’t like it don’t watch it. In a Yelp World, ai still believe that not every thing one thinks should leave their head. At the core of making a big deal out of discrepancies and publishing them vehemently, there are clicks and dollars attached to it. Genuine analysis is fair, no doubt. I necessarily care, no offense. The acting in the lead was mostly stale getting better at the end of the show, in my opinion. Big Deal. That’s just it, it’s all option. I’m more concerned with understanding the back stories from novelizations and more that I’m not familiar with. Also, I’m a fan of not reacting right away to much of anything in life, let alone Star Wars, lol! At the end of the day, it’s just entertainment; it’s just Star Wars. I got to see light sabers and escape reality for a bit. Woohoo! It’s cool seeing stories from books that I never read in live action. It’s even cooler to get a cool breakdown from somebody who knows and is nuanced themselves.
@@boluanidugbe511 to both of us, “Yeah? Well, that’s just like uh, your opinion, man.” - The Dude
LOL It’s all good fun, in’it?
@@thevicmeiershow I only have issue with your comment because you’re suggesting people can’t understand nuance. But that’s not ppls issue. The issue is the story telling is poor and the decision making and critical thinking of the characters is on the floor but you can enjoy what you want I guess no biggie. If you liked it that’s fine but it’s also fine for ppl to not like it
@@thevicmeiershow "there are clicks and dollars attached to it."
SWT and Thor Skywalker both said their best engagement/views/revenue came when Mando S2 was out and everyone was positive. Sorry that doesn't fit your MSM narrative.
"At the end of the day, it’s just entertainment"
No, it's not just entertainment, it's art, and a lot of it these days is lazy and dumb and uninspiring. And a strong society needs good art, not just distraction.
Ironic that you started your thread whining about others not being able to view things in a sophisticated way and yet here you are, with this poorly constructed nonsense. As the above comment says, there's nuance in Lucas' work and the audience were able to perceive and relate to that. Having clearly defined archetypes in Lucas' franchise doesn't mean it's not nuanced, or that audiences can't perceive or appreciate it.
I would have warmed to the Acolyte if Vernestra Rho had been found out at the end of the season. I’m okay with people being flawed and complicated, but I’m also a fan of the good guys winning at the end of the day, and I’m also tired of the Jedi’s flaws being pointed out again and again.
I love soup too. Its the perfect comfort food, full of nutrients, and the power to see thru the lies of the Jedi.
8:48 Did anyone else notice the giant cat appear in the background when he mentioned the Sith? 🐈😼
I love that this show is, finally, making canon how the Jedi order fell as well as how the Sith plan was playing the long game to attack the Jedi from every corner of the Galaxy.
1st, I thought this was sarcasm. Then, well, idk... I guess I realized what YT channel I was watching.
You know there's a little thing called the PREQUEL TRILOGY!
Years down the road, new fans will stream this show with no knowledge of the culture war nonsense and just get to appreciate what an important part of the story it is.
That's all established in the prequels..
@@corinneferrarolam5101 Press X to doubt.
If anything I see way more likely that years down the road Star Wars is gonna be what Anime was 20 years ago in terms of public perception.
@@Loki_Yogi The prequel trilogy was the last chapter of the fall of the Jedi. The political machinations of Bane's plans began a thousand years prior to the prequels.
Personally, I would love to see the Sith's perspective of that millennia of the dark curtain falling over the galaxy that blinded the Jedi, caused the Clone Wars, and twisted the Galactic Senate into a tool of the Sith.
Good to see Martian Manhunter living his life.
Thank you for your always thoughtful analysis, which goes much deeper than just Stat Wars. You beautifully incorporate elements of human nature, and comparisons with our own historical events. I also appreciate your positivity, you’re well spoken, and seem like a genuinely deep, and cool guy. Thank you!
Three sayings come into mind: a) The path to hell is paved with good intentions b) When people think alike, no one is thinking c)Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This show encompasses all of these and is quite pivotal in the star wars lore. We are witnessing the beginning of the destruction of the jedi order and how their willing to keep secrets will be the engine that drives them to their demise in their prequels.
Well said. I couldn’t agree more.
I've personally never believed "Power corrupts" BUT I do believe power is a magnet for the corruptible l
Vernestra’s extremely close to biting off more than she can chew.
That’s what’s exciting
@@GenerationTech They need Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau for S2. The writing was atrocious in S1
Man, Allen I've been watching you UA-cam for the last 2 years. You are spot on! Much love brother!
I like your retelling and explaination of Acolyte. It makes for a compelling companion piece to the show. While the themes explored and the story presented have a lot of merit, Acolyte, for me, hit some of the deepest lows in Star Wars. It was a bitter pill to swallow, so I'm very glad you were here to save me from thoughtlessly hating it. Good work and thank you! Ill be eagerly looking out for what you have for us next!
The real question is, why would osha think of trusting and join Kymir after she watched him kill all her friends. How did she suddenly use force choak after not using the force in many many years. Are they implying that with just emotion anyone who has had some kind of training can just start using abilities that masters are capable of doing. Na let’s be real here, they are just rewriting their own version of anakin
How Master Rwoh is just allowed to circumvent the authority of Jedi High Council is something I wanted them to explore more.
i think she has special status maybe, i mean she reports directly to yoda which really makes things interesting, it could be he's sensed the threat of plagueis this entire time
@@GenerationTechIf that's true why is Yoda quick to dismiss the return of the Sith 100 years later in the Phantom Menace? This shows the Jedi in a whole new light and makes things more interesting.
Bad writing by the show creators who don’t know what is in the Phantom Menace
@@tbd3058I mean I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
@tbd3058 or...they do know and you're just use to being in an echo chamber of "it's bad writing" without even knowing the beginning of what good or bad writing is. Calling something bad writing when you just have a chip on your shoulder is arguing in bad faith.
I just think that "rogue" Jedi should be a VERY small minority in canon, because wouldn't it be difficult to hide your feelings from the hundreds of other Jedi that are around you? Yoda should be able to call out Venestra on sight before she even speaks a word. Everyone knew Anakin was troubled, just not how deeply it went. Yoda felt his anger when he slaughtered the Tuskens. I just don't see how secrets can be kept when most of the people around you can basically read your mind
i should be working.... and yet here i am lol
Your videos about the show are better written and more thought out than the show was.
There’s a saying about “good people doing horrific things for terrific reasons” that gets used when talking about WW2 a lot. I think it applies to Venestra.
So those "headaches" that Vernestra experienced are apparently her receiving Force Visions. This is apparently established in the High Republic books as per the videos I have seen from Star Wars Explained and a quick google search seems to agree with this information. If true this shows she potentially knows more than she tells others and is keen to keep it to herself.
I love when Allan breaks down all the cooler aspects of the High Republic and the new books combining it with material most Legends fans know as well to make this sort of 'across the aisle' reach while giving us a lesson on the subject he's speaking on.
The mirroring of the scene where Vernestra speaks to Mae with the scene from RotJ where the Luke meets Palpatine.
"You no longer need those"
"Guards, leave us"
Yeah I loved that it made the whole situation extremely menacing.
the burning grave like Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Vader.
Just a heads up… Venestra’s “head issues” in hyperspace have nothing to do w the hyperspace tragedy… Venestra has a unique Jedi ability.. she has “visions” when she travels through hyperspace… in fact it was during one of these visions she “saw” herself wielding a lightsaber whip.. she built it in secret because it was not allowed and she ended up saving the lives of 12 Jedi with the whip … after that she was allowed to keep it
Didn’t Yoda feel the loss of the Jedi?
"Apologies Master Vernestra for my long absence. In talks with the chairman of Damask holdings I was. Long winded he is. Need something did you?" " Oh no, nothing I couldnt handle Master Yoda. If you would just sign off on these death certificates I'll be on my way." " Always a joy it is to see those around you transform into the Force." " Agreed, Master Yoda." " How was Mr. Damask?" " On edge he was. Kept speeking about being on the vergence of a major breaktgrough." " A vergence you say??? How odd.."
Alan spinning in a circle for the intro😂
Eventually, the Sith infiltrated the Senate and put the Jedi under Congressional control of the Senate based on when and where can they intervene, act, and execute their duty as shown in Dooku Jedi Lost.
Must have lots of credits to have a real grass yard(with cats) on Coruscant
Yep, only the elite of the elite can afford the actual rooftop suites.
Given that the Republic Senate later stood by and did nothing when Palpatine ordered the extermination of the Jedi, Vernestra was right not to trust them.
Another thought provoking video. Good stuff!
I like that the Jedi are portrayed as flawed, but it seems too heavy handed. Too many Jedi are shady or bad. The finale would of had more impact had Sol been a proper and good Jedi. Venestra throwing him under the bus felt deserved. Because Sol did disobeyed the Jedi council and was lead by emotions.
Thank you for being so positive. I really enjoyed the show. I’m tired of seeing people trash this show.
Yes this show is the best Star Wars shows on Disney + besides Andor of course. Even with its flaws, this show is leagues above Kenobi, Boba, and the recent Mando seasons
People are trashing it for GOOD reason.
This show is awful - it just serves to undo everything George created
@@Loki_Yogi So it was good reasons to review bomb it before the eps even dropped? Or talk smack about the actress race, or the director identity, or whatever the phantom menace of the SW fandom yak about constantly.
@@markdavies8310 Dude, Lucas sold SW to get away from you terrible guys and reap billions in the process lmao
I am just glad we finally got acknowledgement of Plagueis, and who the lead Sith is right now.
I'm always happy to see a new Star Wars show come out whether or not it's good cuz we still get 50 new generation tech videos
It's clear that the Senate has been given reason not to trust the Jedi. A relationship doesn't breakdown easily when there's absolute transparency and Vernestra shows that she's manipulating the truth to both her Jedi colleagues and the Senate, which is not a standard of those who carry the light. Sol was also of the same mind, when he refers to how the Senate is looking for something.. to feed their fears. When Palpatine takes the role of Chancellor and says the Jedi were attempting to topple him; the whole galaxy believed him, as from this moment with Vernestra, they were no longer a believer in democracy or the republic. Will Vernestra lie to Yoda? How many more Jedi feel they need to hide from the Senate? Will Yoda see though her?
The two parts related to Vernestra was that she sensed her padawan and said 'You?! You're alive?' to Qimir.. Wondering what their last encounter was now. Also did Jacki put Qimir at such a disadvantage, that he had to use his Shodo weapon? She was very aggressive and Qimir was struggling to keep pace.. Of the twins, was Osha the stronger one all along?
Jedi Watergate is real
Always see that chair in the background! Glad to see it gets used😂😂
I feel like all the "hype" behind the Saber Whip was a big let down in regards of this show
Yes, but, we saw a glimpse of it, and the scars on Quimir were supposed to be a teaser as well.
@@tenn_ore little things like that right there is exactly what was wrong with the pacing of this show. To many little things that could had a better impact had the episodes been an hour long each. Thankfully they set it up nicely in the last episode about their connection
6:14 "Jedi can sense massive amounts of death.", but theres a plothole when Yoda somehow can't sense multiple Jedi being taken down by The Stranger. He can sense Anakin taking down multiple Tuskin Raiders during Attack of the Clones and when Jedi are being eliminated during Order 66, but somehow not multiple Jedi being taken down in one battle?
Sure, we teeeechnically don't know this for sure yet but he definitely doesn't come out and say anything about it during the first season.
Where was the Yoda scene in phantom menace when qui gon got killed?
@@MrSubstance That was a singular death, and switching to Yoda in the middle of the fight scene would have been too random and taken viewers out of the scene. Yoda showing up at the funeral was enough.
The Acolyte had sooo many chances to have Yoda appear and address the situation he should have sensed, but he only got three seconds of screen time and no dialogue.
@CRollins1997 you can't complain about something without knowing the entire picture.
@@Spider-Man647 We can criticize what we see so far and how it doesn't make sense/add up given what we know and hope that later information might make such things make sense. You can't deny the points I've stated though, and I'm not the only one who's pointed them out.
Sensing just isnt consistent in anything , Plaguies was 50 ft away from 2 Jedi fighting a guy behind a rock and didnt sense the devil. Also mass death is more like thousands , even 10 far far away can end up being some event , hell they assumed maybe they got mauled by the wildlife
I enjoyed about the acolyte that many people enjoyed it. I guess it just isn´t my kind of star wars, but I am always happy for others, if they are happy about this.
I mean, 10 years ago a life action star wars show was unheard of, and now we have like 5 in the last 5 years.
I think that is amazin.
I honestly think most people consider it a 5/10, we just keep hearing from very "passionate" people.
@@GenerationTech 5/10 is being pretty generous. Most reviews I've seen are closer to a 2/10
@@GenerationTech Exactly. I think those people should reread the jedi code :"There is no passion, there is serenity".
@@Sue_Me_Tooif you only read tantrum forums full of cranky incels, maybe. Most people who watch it have lives of their own and don’t need to throw emotional hissy fits over content made for kids.
@@TF-vb9us I just watch review channels on UA-cam. I haven't come across very many reviews over 5/10, even when I filter out "the usual suspects" who will give Disney Star Wars automatic bad scores
5:55 It's actually revealed during hyperspace travel that she would have visions from the force and would be able to communicate with the dead. That's why it's so unsettling for her to do hyperspace travel
The Jedi were destroyed partly because of their own arrogance. All I know is Green Lady is finally interesting.
I think she blamed it all on Master Sol. So she could confront Quimr herself. Not realizing that there're two other Sith at play. Even though Quimr may be the impression for the Knights of Wren.
That's stupid. So she thinks Qimir just taught himself?
I wonder if Luke 'felt' anything when he killed all those folks on the Death Star?
It was if a million voices cried out all at once, and then, silenced.
My favorite point you made is about keeping the sith from knowing the jedi might be onto something.
Was that a New Jersey Jaguar walking around in the backyard?
I enjoyed the show, fights were good, the jedi plot was good, qimir plot line was interesting imo, only thing I didn't like, was that we only got 2 seconds of puppet yoda
8:49 kitty cameo 😍😍
We WON boys the acolyte has been cancelled!!
Oh no, my favorite war crime jeans 😭
(another banger alan, thanks!)
I don’t think Vernestra suspects the Sith are around but rather some Dark Jedi threat
Great chosen setting for your video. I must say that yours amongst a couple other channels have really helped me gain better perspective on this show that have kept me from otherwise writing it off. I didn’t think negatively of it I was just missing the complexities of it because of the characters feeling rushed and it feeling hard to buy into them as a result. Your video essays have upped a level for me so thank you. I look forward to them. Cheers!
You make an interesting point about the threat of Plagueis suspecting that the Jedi are onto him and wanting to eliminate this from within the republic. When I saw Plagueis I felt he that Kymar was causing trouble by playing dark side, this could mean Kymar is out of control is the eyes of Plagueis and concerned this could alert the Jedi.
Where did that clip of Darth Plagueis come from? I don't remember seeing that? Was there an after credits scene that I skipped by accident?
It was as they were leaving for brendock
I miss your videos you're one of the best out there
We love you Allen.. great dude
Then again about the whole dark side hunter thing Yoda probably set this up alone. Was the decision the right one, yes. But not without valid pushback. My thoughts after examining the evidence are that the High Council as a whole would've ultimately shot the proposal down. As the last three times something like this was done the Jedi royally screwed up. From Zandor and his pupils to the Jedi Covenant/The Padawan Masacure and when they refused to stand aside and let Revan fight the True Sith Empire, to the Jedi turning on the Eternal Alliance leading to genocide and the Alliance's destruction.
If they do give season 2 the green light, they should have a proper reunion with Master Rwoh and Quimir along with better writers and dialogues
I dunno I don't think the writers were bad just season 1 weirdness (remember when riker didn't have a beard on Star Trek? Shit was weird) we just gotta wait and see if s2 sucks too
@@LeafBoye There are good moments in season 1 & 2 of TNG, but the show only really finds its stride in season 3 in my opinion. I somehow doubt the acolyte will follow the same pattern.
@@NotoriousTimI always skipped to the episodes where riker had a beard and watch from there but honestly I think shooting down any show in the first 2 seasons to be unfair and we should just wait for the whole story to be complete
@@LeafBoye I suppose but what am I to do in the mean time when I'm not enjoying it? Just twiddle my thumbs until it gets better?
"... a mining incident destroyed Alderran" Omg this was a funny.
I’m just afraid that we’ll never find out what was in that conversation between Vernestra and Yoda because of the uninformed and irrational opposition to this series.
LIked this video even just for all the historical ww2 comparisons. I haven't watched the Acolyte, but it's great to see an analysis that's not just bashing on the show.
Here's the fundamental problem with most modern star wars interpretations that no one really wants to admit. People like allen love the franchise so much they desperately want to find good in It and i'm not convinced they always Realize how much negative they have to go through To find something positive to see.
The Acolyte was a great show. If.
You ignore the wooden acting bad casting choices, Is corley written dialogue, Storylines that were introduced as being critical and then simply abandoned. Ridiculous motivations for people's actions. Force powers that were displayed with extreme uneveness. Not to mention all the while.The show's creators are basically laughing at their own audience And telling people if you don't like the show stopwatching but
If you stop watching, you're a racist or a misogynist or anti gay or whatever.
It's a problem when the most exciting theme about a TV show are the things that it hints at but never reveals or minor things in the background.
I think you really misunderstand, i like making good content and making people think. There's a lot of interesting parts of the lore here that adds to things. I don't understand why so many people are offended this time around that i'm covering The Acolyte. I literally have people messaging me saying how dare i cover this and I need to stop. Like, i've done this for every star wars show, including for kenobi and bobf which were far worse...
@@GenerationTechI meant no offense. And love your content. Just not sure you realize how much you (and to be fair, many others) seem to overlook. Your passionate about Star Wars, I was to once. But these really are at best medioce stories. The OG was also. But the OG never tried to be more than a fun space western with wizards.
Tbh the problem with looking at Indara as darker than Venestra is actually Lesley Headland herself because she says Indara has no idea that she would kill anyone severing the connection between the witches and Kelnacca. Yea she half covers it up but its nowhere near the dumb ass green one does to sol at the end. Bad writing.
I think Vernestra becomes more attuned to her gift for sensing impressions from the Force (past, presence, and future) while traveling through hyperspace, yet she is unable to control that aspect of her skill, which leads to the unsettling nature of her visions.
I understand quite a bit of what you said, but those Sith are still out there! The Jedi can't just hide under the sand.
They still don’t know the Sith are out there. We don’t even know if Qimir is a Sith or not.
The hit and miss factor of this show is maddening. On one hand, you have the Culture wars, and the clunky characters and spotty writing/pacing and on the other, you have some absolutely stunning performances and visuals, to go with some intriguing new characters and incredible concepts to explain the eventual downfall of the Jedi and the Republic. Yes, they took some creative license, but you had to take some risks and get out of the comfort zone. Having a dependable channel to kind of explain to us some of what is going on is a real benefit.
8:48 thats one big ass cat. thought he was gonna pick u up and run away.
I enjoy your videos. I also enjoyed the acolyte. it wasn't as woke and in your face at some of the critics indicated. it wasn't incredibly well written, but it was a story and I enjoy stories.
I kind love how Vernestra describes Sol in her final mologue; someone good who did something evil to protect something he loved. Because Vernestra is doing basically the same thing. Instead of being transparent, she organizes a coverup in order to protect something she loves that being the Jedi Order.
The Jedi coverup almost sounds like something out of Metal Gear Solid.
Oh yes another messy convoluted and contrived story 😂
@@budgiecat9039 dude if its thats bad why are you here? You sounding weird lol
In Babylon 5 Delenn is asked if all the 'factions' in her government ever came together. She said yes, and it was almost the end for a species.
Great show, watch it if you're able.
8:48 KITTY CAT! Now is that allens cat? Or just apart of the green screen haha. Cute kitty, Really enjoyed seeing it pop up in the background!
its a free range kitty i believe
@@GenerationTech that's Plagueis
Free range Loth-cat
I'm happy she gave him the viking send off
Many of the "cannon source police" online i think forget that this is a fictional story and somehow cannot enjoy the story put before them. Like people who cannot except the Book of Enoch because its not in the king James version of the overly edited Bible.
I watched this entire video. Allen was sitting, actually floating, in a Sith Lord throne.
But I suspect that was his evil twin, because iI believe in Democracy and the Republic.
And, I am Generation Tech!