Not "Worthy" to Enter the Mormon Temple
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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My son decided to join the Mormon church so he could marry his LDS girlfriend. For the records, they both left the church after a couple of years. But, my wife and I who raised him, who changed his poopy diapers, who put him through school and comforted him when he cried, who taught him to be an honest caring adult. We were not worthy to simply sit in the audience and witness their marriage. What a crock of bull shit. Like I said, they both left the church soon after that.
@@paperbag3347 Thanks for the questions. I hope I am able to answer them. My sons girlfriend (wife) was raised pretty strict Mormon. We raised our son to think for himself, and we talked about the historic, documented facts about religion. But, he was free to follow what he thought the right way. We weren't going to brain wash him like religions with their children, but, we lived in Salt lake and most of his friends growing up were Mormons. His girlfriend was Mormon and, because we taught him to think for himself, we talked to him about religion, but it was his own decision. I would be no different than the religious fanatic's if I was to "prevent" him from joining the Mormons. Anyhow, when he was just out of high school and the hormones were raging, he joined the Momons because his girlfriend wanted him to. But, it wasn't long till his wife started questioning thing and together they both left the church. That was one of the best days in all of our lives, all of us were glad, not only my wife and I but he and his wife felt that awful elephant walk off of their back. They were so happy. He never really believed it and when his wife came to realize the crap of lies that she had been fed, she quickly left the church and was totally pissed off at the crap she had been fed. It was interesting how quickly she left the church. It was like she had been sheltered and never really looked into it, but when she grew up and started exploring other ideas, she very quickly was out. She said that what made her start thinking beyond just church things was hen she started listening to Ted Talks. They weren't anti Mormon or even anti religion, they simply showed her that there is a wonderful, exciting world out there that she had never known about. It really was a quick transition. Fortunately, she remained very close to her family and they seemed to be OK with her decision.
They are both happy, atheists with 3 kids that are being raised to think for themselves. Maybe they will join a cult (I mean church), but likely will stay free thinking free spirits. They are not being indoctrinated to believe, but are being taught to use critical thinking, reason tings and do what you have logically thought to be the best way. Funny how that kind of thinking has kept them away from religion!
Wow that is bullshit. I'm sorry, that really sucks
I'm so sorry, ron.
sorry, but if that happens to my kid, I would have done it some where else, and say F-U to the morons. if they didn't like that, tell them to look in the F-en mirror..
Wow, agree... total bullshit. Sad that happened to you.
As a non-Mormon, I love how I’m not good enough to get into the temple wedding but I’m expected to buy the couple a wedding gift.
Yep, very arbitrary beliefs. It's why I left the lds church.
You don't have to buy someone a wedding gift, I've not been invited to a lot of weddings and still got a gift, if you're going to whine about it don't give a gift, simple as that, don't try to make someone else's wedding about you
@@BrianTerrill well they can if they want. And u can do want u want also
Avoid the very appearance of evil. I'm surprised they even invited your sorry non holding recommend pass gentilian ass anyway. after all you aint dieing and going to the same place. lol
@@gordonzio well they do have the bom in the lobby next to the restrooms
Quite the business model. Wanna go to heaven? Gotta go to the temple. Wanna go to the temple? Gotta pay your membership dues. And don't forget your club card.
I always regarded as being more like a Passport
The fact that there were tiers to heaven and you had to be worthy to get to certain levels was EXACTLY what made me suicidal af as a 7 year old before getting baptized. I legit wanted to die so that I could go right to the top. When I was **7 years old**
I hate this church so much for that.
That’s so heartbreaking! 😞
@@ExmoLex browsing the exmo subreddit brought it to my attention and showed me that I'm not the only one that felt that way, sadly 😔 but I talked to my therapist about it, and I'm healing, little by little. ❤
@@eggybaconbits really as a 7 year old you knew about the three degrees of glory and it made you suicidal? Yeah sure
@@BrianTerrill lol
@@tienmou68 i think YOU misunderstand. I wanted to die because I was afraid to fuck up and not get into top tier heaven. And I knew at that age that dying as a child before you're baptized was generally taught in my specific ward that those kids went right to the top tier. Whether or not that's official church doctrine is sort of irrelevant, because I still believed as a child that I might mess up later in life and never be able to get to top tier heaven. I didn't think dying somehow would glorify me. I wanted to avoid having to go through life risking not being able to get to the top.
I don't have to prove my trauma to you, and you sound like you're defending the church so I'm really not interested in proving shit to you. Its sad that you believe and defend an organization that thinks heaven has layers like some sorta ogre or some shit
My husband was laid off at the time. Choice: medication or tithe? Talked to bishop. He said, tithe, the Lord will provide what you need. Well, he didn’t. Then I find out that the prophet and apostles do not pay tithe!!! They are paid handsomely.
Wait but the prophets and Apostels do pay tithing?
@@michaelcoyle9237 I am not a liar. Exmo Lex could probably give you the quote. I believe I heard it on one of her talks.
They actually do pay tithing but you're little group of Satan spawn supporters will believe anything negative about the church
@@tienmou68 your church is nothing but lies 🤦
@@tienmou68 A lot of the people you'll find here left the church based on their own experiences with it. Not because they were "duped" or anything like that. I actually stopped going to church for several years before I stopped actually believing. So the truth in these people's stories is really irrelevant to me because I have my own experience to let me know how the church operates. Curious though, what brings you to a video like this one? or this comment section? Just here to troll and call people liars?
My mother laments that we will be separated in the afterlife. I've told her that if I get to the other side and God says I was wrong, I'm happy to sit down and have a conversation. If He tells me I screwed up and will forever be pushed away from him and separated from my family, then frankly, He's not the guy I want to worship.
@@tienmou68 lololol
I agree with him. I do not worship an LDS god because I believe that particular god does not exist and is not the God I worship.
@@tienmou68. Arrogance is assuming your concept of God is unquestionably correct.
@@jacksons1010 Exactly!
It’s not what you want... it’s what is true
My dad had to sit outside the temple when I was married because he was exmo. Years later I had to sit outside the temple when my daughter was married because I was exmo by then. So messed up on so many levels.
Wow what a repetition of History for you. I hope she is able to see the light and leave (and if she has kids, take them with her) before she has to sit outside of her own child's wedding one day as well. Such a sad image to think about, I'm sure that was incredibly difficult.
@@tienmou68 Part of the issue in my opinion is that non-LDS people don't understand it is not a real "wedding." They believe inside the temple there are bridesmaids and groomsmen and flower girls etc. And they aren't able to be there. They don't realize it is a 5 minute "ordinance." It's not a big deal to miss it. I wish the church and members would quit calling it a "wedding." It's not a wedding in the traditional sense.
@@tienmou68 I sure hope so! I think that would go a long way to getting this issue resolved. If an LDS person would sit down and explain that (without revealing the specifics) and if a family situation has arisen then have a civil ceremony with all the "hoopla" for other family members if necessary.
@@kkheflin3 more than 5 minutes and rituals
honestly that was your choice not to go into the temple, you chose to become an exmo rather than keep the covenants you made
"Bishop Roulette" - So true.
This really hits home, my daughter is being married next week in the temple.Her father and I will be waiting outside. 😢😭
We raised her in the church but my husband left 6 years ago and myself just this last summer. It is Breaking my heart💔
I am so sorry. I'm also really sorry that your daughter can't recognize how wrong it is that you guys won't be there.
Hi Holly,
I'm so sorry for you and your husband! Your kids need to make their own decisions in life! Even when they hurt you, all you can do is love them and hope one day they come around!
@@sidvicious2845 yeah they need to make their own decisions not the decisions of the church which is exactly what they're doing right now. They are not making their own decisions they are being influenced by the church.
Unfortunately yes, but look how many people on this site are saying they also did this to their families and are saying they are no longer members! They are learning and leaving!!!
I'm so sorry, Holly. I'm so sorry you have to be outside. It is a very cruel church that would keep a mother out of her child's wedding. Sending love.
My 2 oldest sisters didn't get married in the temple but my parents didn't even tell us about it and went without us. They didn't want us to witness them getting married outside the temple. Then my other sister got married in the temple but I couldn't go because I didn't have my endowments yet, and my younger brother got married while I was on a mission. I missed all of my siblings' weddings because of the damn church.
wow that sucks
😢
Family being denied access to weddings makes me sad (and mad) every time I think about it. Thanks so much for shining a light on this.
Demon-tier-supporter sighting!
@@mylesmarkson1686 Haha, helloooooo! 🤗😜🧡
When i was a kid i was pushed to pay tithing on christmas money but i never did (after a couple times initiated by my parents) bc i argued with the bishop about how gifts aren’t income and they never stopped me.
Hahahahaha. That's just typical kids. Argue with the man with total authority. Glad you got to keep your Christmas money. 10% is better in your pocket than theres. Like they really need to take kids money. Even organized crimals aren't that low.
Smart kid 😇
I never paid tithing on Christmas or other gift money for that same reason. Luckily I was never pressured to. I had no regrets.
@@jenmai9326 Smart kid 😇
Any church that denies entry for any reason is not a church you want to enter.
You can enter any LDS church, it's the temples that restrict unless deemed worthy.
Ex Mormon here- from a very young age I called bullshit on the church and it took a lot out of me and my family for me to get out. To the point my relationship with my family is still strained (but better). Anyway, my brother got married in the temple and I flew from Afghanistan to be with the family but wasn’t given access to the temple. To be honest though I was much happier being on the outside of the wedding and temple knowing I didn’t conform to a religion I didn’t believe in or agree with.
FYI- just found your channel and absolutely love it!! Knock down those naysayers. Everyone needs to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. Keep up the good work.
Lexie is awesome. I've been following her since the beginning of her channel. She is doing a great service to ex-Mormons and to people who are considering becoming Mormon. I'm very proud of her. She has come so far!
I was still active when my husband and I got married. We decided to get married on Leap Day and my husband's closest cousin was so excited because our wedding would be the first family wedding in the temple he could attend. His recommend expired on March 1st that year and the lady at the desk refused to let him in because in her eyes Leap Day didn't count. My dad got upset knowing how much this meant to this cousin and asked for this to be brought up with other workers. It went all the way to the Temple President before they agreed he could go in. We didn't hear about this for over a year and it made me so sick.
Well that's what happens when we let women make decisions, probably why Paul told Timothy "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Timothy 2:12)
@@BrianTerrill no that is not what happens when we allow women to make discussions. That is what happens when a church teaches things like this to their members or put ridiculous policies in place about it. It wasn't just her that believed this it was over a dozen male temple workers. Out of over a dozen workers, most of them male only one was okay with it so I don't see how this is just a women's discussion. Also that absolute disgusting attitude and teaching of such misogyn in most religions and sadly households is a root to a lot of problems that us women have and why we have to fight harder than we should have to, to be given rights that men do or fight to have the right to govern our own bodies, minds, and spirits. We are not the lesser and weaker vessels of this earth we are Goddness and creators of life who are just as equal and valued in the eyes of whatever creator we have because that is a mark of a true and loving creator. God Bless and Happy Universal and Spiritual blessing to you sir.
@@boohound24 only priesthood brethren are suppose to check recommends at the front desk, if a sister did it, it was a violation of the rules.
@@BrianTerrill actually the only time I ever saw only a man handling recommends was for the youth in the Baptismal the 6 or more times we went a year because they were paper and had to be carefully looked at. When I went through, was married over a year later, and the many times I went in the fourish years after that they had a machine to scan the recommends that was ran by both male and female workers. Not only in my local temple but every Arizona Temple, numerous ones in Utah, including Salt Lake and Manti, (which I was taught from sunbeam age as were my grandparents and great grandparents were considered two of the three Holy Grail, Pilgrimage temples), Las Vegas, New Mexico, all the California temples, both New York temples, two Texas temples, Minnesota, both Germany temples, and the London temple were all ran this same way. I spent two years traveling off and on to go to as many temples as I could in hopes that the more I went and the more I saw it would make my answers clear and answer them, in the end all I got was more questions and people denying or dancing around my questions instead of answering them. While I more than love the beauty of each one of these temples and still visit the grounds of any one I can I see them only as a beautiful building and showmanship of the architectural beauties of the ages they were built just like Cathedrals in other places in the world they should be respected for that and if people want to worship there then more power to them and I'm happy they bring you that peace and love but they are not where I go to worship anymore and my life has been massively blessed since I stopped.
@@BrianTerrill way to cover up your sexism after being corrected when Kassi told you that, in fact, many men also made this wrong decision to not allow the person entry to the temple... "oh well then they weren't following the RULES by allowing a woman to work the desk" 🙄 "it was all because they allowed a **woman** to make a decision and to work the desk" - when it sounds like from this story, the same thing probably would have happened regardless of who was working the desk... Who's rules and orders do you think she was following? She just made it up willy nilly and that's why she made the "wrong" decision and we shouldn't allow any woman to make any decision? This has absolutely nothing to do with it being a woman and everything to do with the ridiculous rules set in place by your so-called "church." And when any of you are confronted with the consequences of such ridiculous rules, it's "oh no we don't **actually** do that" (see: this exact video in which she debunks the commonly pushed narrative that tithing is NOT required to enter the temple, for example).
I didn't get to go to my brother's wedding because I'm a lesbian:P I'm so much happier now that I left the church, but that sucked.
Who knew you were a lesbian? How ridiculous! I'd be much happier also. So much for love and concern and "Christ like behavior." Glad you are out!
Growing up as an atheist in Mormon Utah, I quickly discovered that if you were not part of the culture, you were not welcomed within it. Despite our unbelief, my wife and I got our endowments and were married in the Temple in order to please the expectations. A year ago, I confessed my unconvinced nature. And in an instant, the relief of finally speaking my truth was overtaken my ostracization.
That was painful, until I recognized I was not alone in my disbelief. Thank you for your courage, and the community you've created.
There's that story of an old woman who was poor, and everyone made fun of her for being poor and that she couldn't pay tithing. Instead of keeping the only coins she had to literally feed herself, she used it all for tithing. Yeah, thats totally a valuable lesson 🙄 give away all your money
I'm pretty sure there's a story in the Bible about giving to those less fortunate: The Good Samaritan.
A poor injured man man was laying on the side of the road after being mugged. Rich jerks passed by, pitying him. A good samaritan came by, picked him up, took him home, and cared for him.
.....And in case someone LDS wants to crap on the legitimacy of the bible, this was a story Jesus told in the book of Luke. So if you're part of the church of "jesus christ", and don't believe in charity, and instead pitied the poor and blame them... You're a POS and definitely not a Christian.
@@tired_s1oth I’m a Christian and I agree with you
@@tired_s1oth ya very good story and told often in mormonism. Im not a believer any more but I have been first on the scene to traffic accidents, bullying incidents, lifeless bodies etc. more times than I can count or remember, largely because otheres just passed by. its a good lesson for helping others but there is a huge disconnect between that and giving 10% of your income to a 13 billion dollar church that requires it for you to enter the temple. I'm not going to call you a pos because christians dont do that...thought I am not...but you are a bit off target.
Do you have to turn over tax returns.
@@bearqueen57a39 I have no idea, I left before I had to do taxes
Hi Exmo Lex,
I went thru the Mormon temple in '82'; a requirement for going on a Mormon mission! The Endowment was filled with mind control! The part that disturbed me most was the three forms of execution for revealing the signs and tokens give in the endowment! Symbolizing slitting ones throat, ones chest and ones stomach for revealing these hand gestures and accompanying phrases! I hear they have since be removed! I had a feeling of nausea after leaving the temple while contemplating these potential forms of execution! I had a testimony that the church was true, but this act chipped away at my testimony during my mission! Its tough to grow up in a nurturing society where people are so wonderful to you and then awaken to such an experience that is considered desirable and sacred within the religion! While others may love it and thrive in it, for me the realization it is a cult became overwhelming and a life style I couldn't live! A troubling mind control experience!
Yep same for me in 83. freaked me out.
To all the exmos reading this: Cheers friends. We made it out. ❤️✊🏼
Kelleren... Anyone can make it out... it's enduring to the end that makes a difference.
Out of the Celestial Kingdom, good job
@@BrianTerrill out of a high control group, and into freedom and truth.
@@bisonuberti Anyone can make it out. Only fools stay to endure to the end.
@@bisonuberti LOL.
I am enduring to the end. I'm standing by my commitment to human rights, intellectual honesty, truth, and freedom of speech and religion --all things which the Mormon church adamantly opposes.
If you wanna talk about enduring to the end, go call up the Rusticle and ask why the church isn't.
One of my mormon friends had just picked it a ring with her boyfriend. They kissed "a little too long" and the boy told the bishop that she was seducing him and he had been tempted to touch himself because of her. So they both lost their recommends, called off the almost-wedding and broke up. Because they kissed for longer than a few seconds.
And the fact the boyfriend threw her under the bus with the bishop by saying she was seducing him 😡
Bless his pointy little head! Had she married this guy in the temple, and had children with him, her life would have been a living hell! She dogged a bullet! Her glass is half full, not half empty!
She sounds amazing
I once told my bishop that I hadn’t been paying full tithing because things were tight and he told me I should be paying my tithing first and that the lord would provide me a way to take care of everything else. I thought that was just ridiculous. Sorry I’m going to make sure I have a roof over my head and food before I make sure the wealthiest church on the planet gets 10% of my hard earned money.
Was Mormon from 1995 until recently. Was homeless from 2020 (thanks to the pandemic) until April 2024. I was told by the bishop that I couldn't be helped by the him because I wasn't in his ward. When I got housing in April I returned to the church asking for rides for myself and my service dog. The elders quorum president ghosted me and wouldn't return my phone calls. I called the bishop, explained it to him, and promptly was ghosted by the bishop. I'll point out my service dog is of the pitbull breed and I did inform both of them of that. So to make a long story short, you deciding to not pay tithe to avoid homelessness was the best choice. God would have abandoned you according to these men.
I think their tax exempt status should be removed. If not everyone is included in practices, it's a club - not a religion.
even clubs can be tax exempt
You need to really learn the law instead of posting stupid comments like this
Hi Brian,
My business law professor carefully explained to us that "Law is as Law does!" Abortion which was once illegal may become illegal again! It depends on which way the wind blows! The question here is whether a religious corporation which donates $0.0057/dollar to serving humanity should be allowed to maintain its non-profit status!!!
Its net worth is some $100 Billion! It has more than enough to operate without future donations! At what point is a religion a pyramid scheme and at what point should federal officials change the laws? Voter elect politicians who may address such injustices in our future. Especially where by 2034 to 2036 only some 74 cents will be coming available for payout on every dollar of social security promised! Changes in the tax structure will be demanded by voters! It will be interesting to watch what happens!!!
@@sidvicious2845 the way you guys talk about taxing churches proves you worship the state and will be first in line to get the mark of the beast. Also, your numbers are way off about how much the church uses as a charity and it's also revealing that you don't know charities can also operate schools which you don't count in your propaganda numbers, so enjoy the temporary benefits you'll have in the mark of the beast
Hi Brian,
So you don't know how the law works and you attack in your ignorance! Then your defense to not pay taxes which pay for roads, schools, city infrastructures, police protection, incarceration of dangerous people from society, and civil defense in a world of terrorists and extremely dangerous weapons, is the mark of the beast!!! You sound like you're right out of the book of Revelations... are you for real??? What you're saying is you want the benefits without having to pay for them! Let you and religions have a tax free life because you're special! You can always leave the country, go to South America and drink the cool-aid like Jim Jones and his followers! They got out of paying taxes! Of course it killed them! But hey, it would be a tax free death!!!
Yeah I had a ex-navy bishop at BYUI that told me that if I wanted to stay in good standing at the school and not get in trouble, I had to pay tithing on the money my parents gave me for rent and tuition. The money had been in my account for less than 24 hours before being sent into the school's pockets. At the time, I couldn't afford to pay $2 to go to the movies with my friends because my art books and supplies cost hundreds of dollars every semester, and I had to scrape just to buy dollar store groceries. The tithing I had to pay was on $1800 and I didn't even have $10 most days until I got paid every other week at my $7/hour on-campus job (which I did in addition to full time schoolwork). Where was I supposed to get $180? It might as well have been a million.
Your Bishop spoke out of terms with what the handbook teaches. The handbook only tells us to pay tithing on income but that no other statement is justified. Bishops are not to go into details about if you're paying on gross income or net income etc. I've been the victim of overzealous leaders making statements like that too, but it was not the church that made them say that it was them not following the instructions the church gives them.
That is ridiculous!
You were receiving money from your parents for schooling. Your parents already paid their tithings on that amount prior to giving to you......for school costs. Why would you have to pay tithings again on same money? You didn't earn it, but received their money to go to school and the costs involved? I am a senior on a pension and have very little pension so therefore need to put some of my bills on my charge card putting me further in debt. Therefore I am not worthy to have a temple recommend. 10% of nothing is nothing. So sad. Heavenly Father understands. I could give tithings but then would get behind in power bill/gas bill and etc and have those shut off, but God wouldn't want me to do that.
None of my in-laws besides my mother-in-law could come to my wedding because they weren’t “worthy”. Sister-in-laws were too young and father-in-law has crippling social anxiety so he doesn’t go to church. None of my family could come either except for my mom. I honestly hate my wedding looking back and I can’t wait till I can renew my vows and do it over.
Aspen how long were you in the temple for your wedding? The total time of a wedding is about ten minutes? You could have had a ceremony right after. My daughter did for those in our family that don’t have temple recommends. You are complaining about this not because of the temple or your family. This is about you being acting like a child. And like the creator of this video, you are full of pride. There’s an old saying, “you can’t con a conman.” I’ve been a member since I was 8. Then later I screwed up, I screwed up my life! Not my parent’s, not my sibling’s, not my friend’s. My decisions put me where I was. The church had nothing to do with MY DECISIONS! I knew I was wrong, I tamped it down, told myself excuses. I became someone no one wanted to be around, church member or not. No one. I almost committed suicide. None of this happened to me because of the church. I hope one day you will admit you are wrong! These excuses in your post are pathetic.
@@traczebabe Why do you feel the need to say that I’m “acting like a child” or am “full of pride” for not liking my own wedding? I didn’t say anything about all Mormon weddings. I only shared about my own.
@@traczebabe Wow! This is about the most unkind remark I’ve read. Where is empathy? Is that a Mormon value? I’m not Mormon, but it certainly is a value in our home
@@traczebabe do you have children? If you were told you can't be there for the actual "I Do's" because of some silly rule - especially in some circumstances that were mentioned in the video like not paying the church your hard earned money for a few months - you wouldn't feel a bit bitter? If you couldn't have your parents or your siblings at your own wedding for similar "transgressions" against the church? What kind of church is so ridiculously unwelcoming?
I'm not religious (but I was raised Christian), but I thought church was supposed to be a welcome haven for everyone, regardless of where you're starting out from. Not so much in the mormon "church" apparently. They seem to preach "give me perfection and give me money, or GTFU." Does that sound very "Christ like" to you?? 🙄
EDIT: I mean seriously though, what church says you're not welcome because you can't PAY them?? On top of being immoral on all fronts, it also seems like a very convenient "reason" to exclude certain **undesirables** .... Hmmmmm....
There is that option of going to the Temple in the morning and having a civil ceremony later that same day where All friends and relatives can attend.
Never trust a religion that requires financial payment for salvation.
Amen!
Amen!
never trust religion period.
The Bible states that you are to give 10% of your gross product to God.
The Ancient Christian Church ran its own Social Services Agency. The Ancient Church fed, clothed, and housed the "less fortunate". These Monies originated from the Tithe. The Tithe also paid for necessary items.
It was important to note that the Ancient Christian Church did not refuse access to services for failure to Tithe.
Rome hated the fact that Christians managed to do what they could not do (Does this sound familiar today - Govt shutting down Church based orgs and systems?).
I do agree that mandating a tithe (if you do not - no entry into the Church) is completely wrong. Also, one should not have to "prove their worth" to enter the Church. The whole idea behind worshiping a superior deity is to learn to be a better person and learn to hold said truths more (to one's personal life and thus physically represent that Religion's doctrines to the world).
I do question any religion that requires (a "mother may I worship here" card). Is that not anti-worship?
@@davidgiles4681 tithing was for the levitical priesthood. When Jesus became the ultimate priest the old law was over. Read Hebrews it is clear. Now tithing makes the preacher rich. Jesus held a coin up and asked whose face is on the coin, "Cesar" " then give to Cesar what is Caesars ($) and give to God what is Gods'. That passage is quite clear also. People need to pray and Read their Bible not just accept whatever some preacher tells you.
LDS is one of the biggest lies ever. Read the Bible.
LDS believes Jesus as a prophet and Adam is God. If people would read the Bible they will be able to spot the false religions. I will never be sucked in.
My bishop and the Stake guy discussed my tithing at length: did I really pay on all tithable income: wages, gifts, inheritance, etc. As a joke I brought the bishop a jar of pickles made from my garden veggies and he loved it! He kept it on his desk for years as an example of good tithe faithfulness. I also told them both that I can't resist drinking champagne. They both laughed it off, saying: "Maybe you'll become more spiritual after attending the temple!" But the opposite happened. The temple ceremony convinced me that this was a cult. I attended back in the days when slashing of the throats and abdomens were still a part of the ceremony. 👹
excellent video. to clarify for those who arent or have never been Mormon, they start teaching you that you could be separated from your family in heaven at about age 4. there's even a primary song called "families can be together forever" the caveat being of course that you have to follow heavenly father's plan. so there you are, a little child, being told t all the things you and your family have to do to stay together. at the same time you are also taught that bad things that happen are either your fault or a test from god so you can't be upset about it or you've failed the test and that righteous people receive blessings. it's a potent mix. it scared the crap out of me as a kid. my sister (4yrs older than me) once told me that she would worry about her own worthiness but also the worthiness of her younger siblings. she said she was so hard on us growing up b/c she was terrified we wouldnt all make it to heaven together.
Leadership roulette and shame culture are unquestionably the most prevalent around getting into the temple. Another great vid Lex!
Those stories make me feel sick to my stomach. The story of your family member who was laughed at not only by strangers but family as well? OMG... that breaks my heart. And it makes me sick to think that there was a time in my life that I might have been one of the people who was laughing... I feel like I need to take a shower or something... bleh!
I always make sure to watch all the ads till the end even when they’re 3 minutes long, never skip them. Wish I could do more for you since you’ve done so much for me and my husband without even knowing us. Sending you lots of love from Brazil ❤️❤️❤️
You are so kind! Thank you ♥️
@@ExmoLex one thing I've noticed. You're very gracious about your experience. At least that's my impression. I struggled for many years, I'm 45, and within last 60 days I've just begun to realize how my codependency and anger are directly connected to the abuse I endured. I'm working on it. And am grateful. So many don't learn this
Event though I was only a member for four years, my self esteem was completely destroyed at the end of it. When I left, I did so because I was straying so far away from who I knew I was. The church taught me stuff like, material success is an indication that you're keeping the commandments, or being socially vibrant means that you're full of the spirit. There's hundreds of stuff like this and it places an unreasonable amount of pressure on members who don't have many of these traits or attributes naturally. I was totally exhausted trying to be what they wanted. Not only that but there's very little heart to heart compassion. They say nice things but it's basically scripted. If I was hurt, I could usually predict what they would say. And how can I blame them? They too were taught that who they are is not ok. You can be a quiet introvert who struggles with relationships, but you're not allowed to be comfortable in that state. You can lack ambition and still be a member, but don't expect any respect or acknowledgement that you exist. I really feel for those who were born into this organization. It's a screwed up place with leaders that are literally monsters. They're filled with something and it ain't the spirit.
I find it hard to convince TBM's that the church is a bad place, and I'm not going to here. I know it's bad though. I know this at the very core of my being, something TBM's probably don't have anymore.
i'm 14 and i still have to go to the church, and I've never payed tithing ever in my life!! because my parents never forced me, and when I did the temple recommend interview I just told him I don't get an allowance, so i have no money to pay for tithing. For some reason I still got it. I do find the church strict, and its ridiculous someone cant see a wedding of their family members if they don't have a temple recommend. I hate that people think bishops have so much power when they don't...
Well bishops obviously DO have so much power, otherwise they wouldn't be able to use it in the ways described in the video. I think you meant they SHOULDN'T have so much power. In which case, I 1000% agree.
@@doperagu8471 yes sorry i meant that thank you!!
@@isabelbarker6481 ❤️
My oldest son was 12 years old for the first time at the Mesa Temple for the baptism for the dead and the temple worker refused to let him in. Because the bishop forgot to add his name on the list recommended. The other members tried to talk the temple president and still refused so some youth decided to stay with him and comforted him while I was working that time. The members family told me what’s going on. So my son decided to left church and Bishop told him to promised to take him there but never happens and the bishop moved to Utah. He is no longer active. I don’t blame him. My wife and I left church over year ago.
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate the best shirt you have ever worn on a video?! :D
here cause of Jimmy, totally subbing!
My mom converted my dad to mormonism and then they got sealed shortly after. My dad's family wasn't able to go because they weren't mormon. It caused a rift between my mom and his family for a very long time, I'm not sure if they ever really got over that tbh. I learned my lesson from them when I got married. I knew my husband's family years before we got married and didn't want to cause that same rift between me and them, so I chose to get married civilly first and then sealed a year later. I felt like I was doing the right thing, since you know, families are everything in the mormon church. But members of the church definitely judged me and one lady said in sacrament meeting a couple sundays after our civil marriage that "doing marriages outside the temple makes the bishop sad" -_- I was known in that church for being super faithful and sticking to the standards 1million%, all of a sudden the members were turning their backs on me for a choice I felt I made with God's acceptance. Now that I'm not longer mormon I'm so glad that I made that choice and wasn't so brainwashed that I was willing to ruin a wonderful relationship with my in-laws.
Anyone who says you don’t have to pay tithing to get in the temple knows they’re lying. We all know you have to pay a full tithe to get a temple recommend. Kids know that tithing is on the list. Any grown adult saying otherwise is a liar.
How sad to hear this. We muslims only have to tithe 2.5% annually of a preset minimum kept saved. If we do not have the saved minimum by our annual tithe date we do not have to tithe.
Basically if you are poor or in debt the responsibility for tithing lies on those who have provision.
Even as a member I always thought tithing settlement was weird, and I avoided it every year even though I paid a full tithe. Is the an annual Word of Wisdom settlement? Nope. Annual Law of Chastity Settlement? Nope. Annual proper garment wearing settlement? Nope. Annual sustaining of leaders settlement? Nope. I thought all commandments were of equal importance. Why on earth would we need to meet more often on tithing than on any other commandment? 💰💸⛪
Why anyone stays LDS is beyond me!
Heard too many horror stories like these from good Mormon friends!
why do people STAY in abusive family situations? same reasons.
I calculated how much tithe I owed and wisely spent it on beer instead.
Have an Aussie beer on me.
The 3 tiers of Heaven makes me laugh out loud. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Don't matter to me I believe in Hades.
"2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." (2 Corinthians 12:2) by the way I'm screen shooting everything I say so if it get's deleted I'll expose it on my own UA-cam channel.
@@BrianTerrill Jewish theology speaks of seven heavens (as does the Koran). The first heaven was the air below the clouds. The second heaven was among the sun. moon, and stars. The third heaven was the heavens beyond the stars where God resided. Paul (the author of 2 Corinthians and a former Jew) was claiming to have visited God in this third heaven. He was not speaking of the three levels of heaven invented by Joseph Smith.
@@kevins4254 you're probably going to get more likes than me for that comment but you're actually wrong, and it wasn't just Jewish and Islamic traditions, early Christians taught this as well, and it would probably be in our best interest to know how the early Christians interpreted this doctrine as opposed to Jews and Muslims unless you want to use Mohammed to refute Joseph Smith
@@BrianTerrill I love that you feel so persecuted by this you’ll “expose it if it gets deleted” bro this is like really embarrassing
I’m so glad I got married outside the temple before getting sealed a couple years later. I would have been devastated looking back and realizing that half my family did not get to see me get married because they were inactive/exmos. I’m happier now because I left that whole belief system behind when I realized what a mind fuck it really is.
My (now) ex husband and I had to make the choice between making our mortgage payment or paying tithing. After discussing our situation with the bishop, he advised us to pay tithing and he would help us with groceries from the bishop’s store house (exactly what we needed, right?). We couldn’t pay our mortgage that month. That one choice added to a snowball affect of us having to file for bankruptcy the following year. Granted it wasn’t the whole reason, but the bishop was well aware of our tough financial situation and STILL advised us to dig ourselves deeper, because, you know... blessings (his words, not ours).
Oh my god I just realised how bad the heaven idea is! I was the only Mormon in my family and never realised how awful it was. In the UK lucky you have to get married in the chapel or wherever you want as the government don't see a temple marriage as a lawful wedding because you need witness and proper officials to marry you.
If you forget your recommend, ask if they take VISA, MASTER CHARGE, or AMERICAN EXPRESS.
They would smile and say "All of the above. Those are the best kinds of 'temple recommends' to have!"
We couldn’t go to my BIL’s wedding because we hadn’t been paying tithing. Two months before the wedding, we started paying so we could try to go. We talked to our bishop (this was November) and he said if we wanted to make it to the wedding the following January, we’d have to back pay the tithing. Almost 4000. Yeah, we were a young married couple with a one year old. Wasn’t going to be feasible at all. We missed the wedding.
The members that laughed at that lady, ...ugh! It's amazing to me that those who often think, and profess, that they are the most like Christ are often the biggest jerks.
After hearing those stories, my heart aches.
Jesus is your “temple recommend”. Jesus deems you worthy. It is not about your works.
I cussed out an Evangelical once after he told me we are not saved by works, he told me if I don't stop cussing I'll go to hell, I'm no marine but my dad was and I picked it up from him and I've tried to stop but boy that's a lot of work, but the Evangelical guy told me I have to do it to be saved after telling me my works can't save me. What a bunch of yo-yo's you guys are
Amen. No one was worthy -- that's why Jesus had to die. His sacrifice makes us all worthy now. You can't earn a free gift. It's just given freely to you. Working so hard for your free gift is bonkers. You simply accept it. It's so sad to me that Mormons believe it is their own doing that elevates them into certain parts of heaven. That's taking the Lord's name in vain and representing him incorrectly I think. It really is very simple. God loves us. His son died for everyone. Literally everyone. LGBTQ+, men, women, old, young-- everyone. That's the whole thing. He doesn't want your money or your desperate attempts to follow man made rules. He just wants to help you through life. It's so damn simple.
@@BrianTerrill Hello Brian, I am sorry that I did not see your reply until now. I barely check my youtube messages.
I am sorry that you have encountered some Evangelical Christians who boast in and clings to works. It is not uncommon.
I am a Lutheran pastor. Lutherans are not typical Evangelicals who urge people to "make decisions" or "live a worthy life." We interpret and understand the Scripture through the lens called "Law and Gospel". The LAW also accuses us. The LAW tells us what to do, and what not to do. The Law is like parenting, that we, as children, are given a ton of "do's" and "dont's". But the Law does not and cannot save us. Sure, maybe I don't cuss at people outwardly, but even as a pastor, I cuss at people in my heart. I have violated the LAW. The ladder of the LAW is too high and risky for me to climb to heaven. The condemnation of the LAW accuses me and more importantly, points me to Christ.
Now, Gospel kicks in. Gospel demands nothing. Absolutely nothing. Jesus comes to seek and save the sinners. Jesus alone saves. Have faith in Christ.
God does not need my good works, BUT my neighbors do.
God does not really care about my "sh*t, fu*k, cu*t," my neighbors do.
We do not try to do good to please God, we do that to love our neighbors.
Your evangelical friend mixed up Law and Gospel.
At the end, my friend, as a called and ordained servant of Christ, by his authority and in his stead, I declare the entire forgiveness of your sins, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Brother, go in peace which Christ alone gives.
@@sabrinakay6645 Spot on
@@isaiahbai9047 I cannot accept that nothing we do matters, it has to. If salvation comes from Christ alone that means:
A) Everyone will be saved
Or
B) God selects those who are to be saved and determines likewise who shall be damned out of his own pleasure, which would make him a respected of persons
Further I don't believe in the authority of the Lutheran church because Martin Luther got his authority from the Catholic church, and I don't believe in the authority of the Catholic church.
I was 14 years old and I had just come out as gay. My bishop knew and a week later he still gave me a recommend (not that I ended up going back to the temple). The inconsistency in the church is atrocious.
My husband didn't want to pay tithing, he felt that it was our money and the church didn't need it- other than that, we were totally "worthy" but because of that, we couldn't get our temple recommends renewed and I missed one of my best friends weddings.
I didn't get to see my sister get married. However, she's a VERY toxic Mormon so I didn't miss that much.
Those are the types of brides that I just love pelting with rice!
@@mylesmarkson1686 I totally get the sentiment. My experience in the lds church was I got bullied for not going on the mission with ultimately made me stop attending sacrament meetings and basically not participating in any way. It was hurtful 💔😢 cause so many people that I thought were friends were never my friends 😔.
@@mylesmarkson1686 OMgoodness Myles, that slayed me. There is a lil devil in ya for sure!!!! I prefer my rice fried, seasoned and served in a bowl, not hurled through the air with vengeance. But when dealing with toxic folks I prefer the flight of tomatoes & eggs landing smack dab in the facial area. Southern folks grow tomatoes & raise chickens for lots of reasons, ;-)
@@stanleymaestas5441 ah the friendship con, it is truly the worst aspect of many attendees.
@@savannahsmiles1797 Yeah, I'm not a big fan of most wedding traditions, but I don't mind a little rice-pelting (if the situation calls for it). And I could go for your idea of tomatoes (as long as they're juicy) and eggs (as long as they're rotten!)
They're supposed to only have tax exemption because they're non-profit yet you literally have to pay to go inside the building. Not exactly sure how that's non-profit
It's not-profit because they use the money you pay for the "mission" of the organization. Not to personally profit.
@@PaulLawler lol oh that's a lie
Really,@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite? What did I say that was a lie?
@@PaulLawler that they don't use it for personal profit, yeah they do. Yeah they do.
That would be an assertion that requires more evidence than just repeating "Yeah they do,"@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite
ive paid like $50 in the 5-6 years i was there. Got asked to go on a mission and pay outta my pocket, i said no. leaving this religious "business" was the best thing ive ever done. apparently they turnover 7 billion a year tax free according to reuters stats, and on top of that equity valuations on all the property they own, similar to mcdonalds corp.
I meant to mention last video: The new intro is great! Looks just like you!
I think you educating others is very brave. Good for you girl! I just Subscribed at 16.6K
I’ve recently gotten a job and my parents are forcing me to pay tithing even though i have basically upfront told them i do not believe in god.
It is so toxic and i’m so sick of giving my money to a corporation
make your own decisions, you'll never be happy otherwise.
Tell them that you're starting up your own "Cheyenne Corporation" and see if they are as gullible to give to your business as they are to The Church. And even if they're not, you can still donate YOUR 10% to the business of your choice--Right? Ask them what law forces you to only give to your parents' choice of cult.
@@mylesmarkson1686 unfortunately, i have been threatened with a foster home if i didn’t follow the teachings of the church... i only have a year left of being with them unless i choose to “divorce them”.
@@ShyShy0 That sounds rough. Good luck on getting out of that mess!
I left the LDS faith in 2013 and one of the most painful aspects of leaving was the acceptance that I would be barred from seeing my children get married. My daughter is getting married on May 6th and even though now I have accepted that I won’t witness the marriage it still hurts. This will be the second child of mine who’s wedding I’m banned from witnessing.
Its ironic that for a church that emphasizes the family is the only church that prohibits non believing parents from seeing their own children get married.
It also reminds me of the time when we both had temple recommends yet my wife was barred from seeing her brother get married simply because she forgot her recommend. Your right it’s all messed up. Even though the transition was painful I don’t regret leaving the LDS church for a moment.
Here's a question about the wife who forgot her Temple recommend? The husband who I assume is a high priesthood holder and other family members who are there all have to be honest and trustworthy to get there Temple recommends. So if the Husband and family members have to be honest and trustworthy, seems the temple worker could just say. Brother so and so do you give your word you wife is Temple worthy and has a recommend. Nope, not that simple. The church loves to punish and create lack of trust and call people out on the carpet because they fail. She didn't fail, she simply forgot her Temple recommend. Yet she was punished.
These stories make me sad. I'm sooo grateful that I had a strong aversion to the Temple from a young age...and married my wonderful nevermo husband in a lovely civil ceremony! (I resigned my membership years ago) I love your videos...so right on every time!
When I was little and my mom half sister's and I moved from Michigan to Texas their bio dad's ultra Mormon family took me and treated like one of their own. For that I will forever love them especially since my dad wasn't in the picture.
However I have many non Mormon relatives that I am very close to on my dad's side. And I used to get arguments all the time with my sister's and his relatives over the fact that I wanted a non temple wedding so that as many of my relatives as possible could attend. Especially since to of my half sister's on my bio dad's side paid for my airfare so i could attend their weddings.
When I went to BYUI I was a part of the touring dance company they have and one of the days we went to the temple for baptisms. I had stopped going to church (I honestly don’t know how I didn’t get kicked out of school lol) because that was around the time I didn’t want to be a member anymore. I was the only person out of like 30 people that couldn’t go in because I obviously couldn’t get a recommend. I told everyone i just forgot to get it renewed but I literally was on the verge of tears in the temple lobby the whole time because everyone knew why I wasn’t actually going in the temple because I wasn’t “worthy”. I will never forget how judged and awful I felt sitting there crying until everyone was done.
I served my mission in Germany where many members drank something called Malzbier. It is a malted non-alcoholic beverage. In other words, beer sweetened with high fructose corn syrup without alcohol. Many of them also drank herbal tea. These were not issues. It is a bit surprising how individual bishops, wards and stakes can interpret these rules. I like the term "Bishop Roulette".
I never saw full tithing as 'January to January.' When my Bishop told me that once I started paying my tithing, I was a full tithe payer, so I could have missed paying for months and then start paying again and I would be classed as a full tithe payer. I guess it really does depend of the Bishop!
Just mormon intolerance not allowing family to be involved in a marriage., “Not part of the good ole boys club, sorry”
Exmo Lex, you're "only" 100% right on your analysis and criticism on this one. In fact, you're almost generous, patient, and diplomatic. My wife had only been a member for just shy of a year when we got married, but she got special dispensation to be married in the temple. Meanwhile, her Methodist parents weren't there to see their only child get married, and the marriage event they had probably dreamed about since she was born just never happened. I didn't push her either way--but if we had it to do over again, they would have had the marriage situation they dreamed about, and we would have adjusted one way or another subsequently, regardless of "activity" or involvement with "the Church."
Love the shirt! 🥰
I discovered you thanks J Snow. I saw your video you rock. Funny, instructive, insightful. Bravo!
These stories are so sad. Lex, I especially liked your comment that Jesus would never turn children away for any reason. "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14 KJV What this cult manages to make people think is righteous breaks my heart. I wish people could just listen to their own best selves instead of religious cant.
My mother was denied entry to a temple wedding (by a fellow female who was acting as temple gatekeeper) because she was wearing wide legged pants that looked like a skirt but were not technically a skirt. Her condescension, "Sorry, hun, but you need to have a dress on," was almost worse than the gatekeeping. Twenty-five years later this still infuriates me.
I didn't get to see 4 of my siblings' weddings. Just hanging out on the grounds like a bunch of lepers. Good times.
I wouldn’t go at all personally, as it’s a slap in the face and highly insulting to be forced to wait outside because you don’t qualify for the cults requirements.
@@coldwar45 If I were to do it again, that's exactly what I would do.
its a good thing you don't wanna see a cringe moment and nothing to do with salvation exaltation thing.
That story about their recommend being removed for accidentally seeing p*rn really shocked me. One time during a temple recommend interview, I told my bishop about my p*rnography addiction that I had struggled with for years. I thought that I wouldn’t be able to renew my recommend because I wasn’t worthy. But he just kind of shrugged and said that if I repented it would be ok. Then he gave me a new recommend. Offered me no help to recover from my addiction. He didn’t even tell me what the repentance process was for it. You would think that men called of God would be consistent if they’re doing His will. But every bishop I saw told me something different. It’s almost like they’re really just telling you their opinion and not words from God who is “always the same.” Not long after that, the bishop was excommunicated because it was revealed that he committed adultery. I went through all of this as a young teen, and now I have a hard time trusting the leaders in church anymore.
I was temple "worthy" in every way. One time I went to renew my recommend on my wedding anniversary as always. Every week we had a temple night so it was important to me. My bishop told me he was refusing to renew ine and he did not know why except the "Holy Spirit" told him not to. He told me not to do my calling, take the sacrament, speak or pray in church etc. until I renewed my recommend and he could not tell me when that might be. Ye Gawds I wish I had never went back again or even went back to church for that matter. Every Sunday I wondered WTH was wrong with ME! I was 'disfellowshipped' in reality and I had not done anything wrong. I suppose it is true that when you know better you do better. I'm so glad to be out of Mormonism and those power mongering mind games. "Praise to the man!"
That's horrible!
My disabled mom was denied a recommend to go to her own daugher's wedding. She was devout and raised her kids in the church. She paid tithing her whole adult life. She only turned her hot water on every 3 days to bathe, wash clothes, etc. because of cost of fuel. She has Heart Failure! She got behind due to car trouble. My sister paid her tithing on the money my mom gets from government checks. It was a huge deal in our family, and a horrible stress on everyone. My mom is still a brainwashed follower.
I was told I couldn’t get my recommend after I was 18 because I wasn’t paying tithing. And then I was told there was no reason for me to really go since I wouldn’t be able to anything I just turned 18 🤷🏼♀️
You're right on Lex. So many of us have stories so similar. The LDS Church is a fine tuned racket. I've never seen so many people intimidated out of their money so easily. My mother , whom I loved dearly, paid her tithing every month without fail until she was 90. She never missed. Never once though, did she ever offer one of her grand kids a couple of hundred dollars to buy something that they wanted or needed as they grew up. I never said anything to her but it used to bother me how determined she was in making certain that the church got it's money but overlooked that the kids could have used that money once in awhile. Now all of a sudden the church leaders tell us, "the church doesn't need the money but you need the blessings of paying it". Ohhhhh, now the church doesn't need it, and I don't need the blessings. So now I can attend the temple without the necessary recommend?
Just subbed, I haven't heard of your channel until today but Jimmy talked about you now I need to sub.
My name is still on the rolls of the church but I consider myself an ex-Mormon. The topic of discernment is a good one. Someone I know was accused of child molestation by his wife when their marriage (at the temple) was falling apart. Having known that man since we were kids I didn't think he was capable of doing something like that. His now ex-wife was just trying to hurt him, and she did. But the bishop and everybody else in church believed her and not him. He even spent time in jail, his wife testifying against him. It never even bothered her, and she was a faithful Mormon. The bishop and his counselors were supposed to have the gift of discernment but they couldn't tell who was lying. So the man got excommunicated, went to jail, lost his job, and couldn't see his adopted son. The best thing to come out of this situation was his wife divorcing him. A true blessing, as was his excommunication, although he still believes in the church. As it turned out, the "victim" of the molestation, now grown up, denied that it had ever happened and said she was coerced into bearing false witness. She now hates the woman who put her up to it. But too late for the real victim, the falsely accused. Nothing happened to the ex-wife, neither at church nor with the police for her lying. What shook my faith years ago was when Mark Hofman sold counterfeit documents to the top church leadership. He fooled even the "prophet" himself. If their discernment is not real, what other things about the church are false?
I almost became a Mormon at one point. I am so happy I didn’t.
Love your shirt! ATLA is up there with Breaking Bad and GoT for best shows!
Non-mormon and never been one. Hearing about how everyone laughed at the mother just breaks my heart. No one should be deemed "worthy" or "unworthy" to enter a church imo. Church should be a place where anyone and everyone should be welcome to worship or sit and pray or whatever. How can someone try and draw closer to God if you don't let them?
Church and temple are two different things, thanks for your opinion but we follow God not opinions
Yeah Eileen. They follow the cult, not their own brains. That would take effort.
@@BrianTerrill not entirely true, you follow the opinions of one very misinformed man named Joseph, who thought he was a prophet. According to Biblical guidelines, he did not meet the criteria for a prophet. His false self appointment and behaviors did not meet the Ten Commandments, again nullifying that his "message" came from The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Not opinion at all, recorded fact.
The Doctrine of Sad Heaven is so fucked up. I wish missionaries would lead with that.
The inconsistencies between bishops was a massive thing on my shelf. Go to one bishop and they say if you had caffeine no recommend for you. Others will still let you have it. And people would pass it off as them being human but like, shouldn't the answer always be the same???
Hi,
One of my companions used to say "a Pepsi and a mission go together." He had one frequently, we would laugh! He also would build snowmen, teach them discussions and challenge them to baptism! It was comic relief for a tough missionfield, but good practice since teaching was infrequent!
@@sidvicious2845 hahaha that's amazing
The church has clarified their stance of caffeinated beverages several years ago. I was never denied a temple recommend for chugging a Mountain Dew
@@BrianTerrill I wasn't either but I've heard people have been
@@BrianTerrill Seems odd that a church granted explicit and unique communication from God would ever need to “clarify” positions...and in so doing change those positions. Did the Word of God change with the times?
I seem to recall a part of the bible about only paying what you can afford, even if nothing.
If you're a millionaire, 10% is easily affordable. If you're on minimum wage, 10% can create hardship.
Great vid on a great topic. One of the biggest cult/undue influence issues for me and the driver for my departure. Super elitist and a Pharisee sequel. Keep up the great work Lex!!
I was a Deacon and the ward Bishop was also our home teacher. He came for his monthly visit and gave me the Temple Recommend for all the youth going up to the L.A. Temple the next day. The next day I woke up early and my father drove me over to the Chapel to meet everyone and then carpool up. I arrived a few minutes early but no one was there. We waited to tell about five after and no one ever showed up and we went home thinking “they are not getting in without the recommend.”
Turns out all the other youth thought it would be funny to leave even earlier and NOT tell me, so the whole gang drove up to the L.A. Temple which is about a 3-hour drive one way.
It turns out the Bishop was in the Temple doing ordinances and had to be pulled out to approve the group, and boy did he give them a heated lecture about leaving me behind. LOL, The incident was promptly forgotten and as far as I know, he never mentioned it to them again because they did stuff again and again very similar concerning myself.
They then entered the Temple and did the Baptism for the Dead and came home.
To be very honest I lied every time I got an interview with the bishop just to get my temple recommend 😂 I’m a damn sinner and don’t regret it at all
Same, the consequences for lying to the bishop weren't as bad as the consequences for telling the truth lmao
I did too! I would lie about the questions about if I believe in Joseph Smith and the current prophet. Who doesn’t lie? No one is good enough. I am not being honest at all if I answer yes to every question.
I’ve always been a really anxious kid but I remember having severe anxiety before I got baptized as a 7 year old. I remember thinking “well, this is it, everything matters now, you can’t screw up.” I thought it would be easier to just try really, really hard not to “sin” because how could one person be aware and later repent for everything you do wrong? I started keeping a list of of all my sins so that I wouldn’t forget to ask for forgiveness.
I love the new intro.
The story of someone struggling due to the cost of cancer treatment really broke my heart. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the church to have paid for the cancer treatment?? Like the organisation itself. Isn’t that what communities and support systems are for? This is so heartbreaking!
(For context: I’ve never been Mormon nor religious in anyway, but have known religious communities where this would be the practice)
Wait what?!..... So if you are a little old lady on a fixed income Social Security at best - most....She needs to pay tithing on that?????
Yep.
As in most religions, greed reigns supreme!
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3 Degrees of Glory?!?!?!
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..... It’s been a day and I still can’t wrap my mind around this, they would make her pay, yet she would qualify for food from the bishops welfare house, wouldn’t it be easier just to let her keep the money, spare her having to ask for help from the church to feed her. - Manipulation tactics are a crime against humanity. Shame on them!
I know one case where an RM was getting married. His dad had not paid tithing for a while so was denied a temple recommend renewal. The bishop told him the only way to get the recommend was to pay back tithing owed. The stake president backed up the bishop. The father could not afford it. He had to borrow the money from the bank, pay the back tithing and get the recommend so he could attend his son's sealing at the temple.
Ouch!
Sickening.
the gospel of separating families
exclusivity has been an issue since humans came to be...
When my parents got married, one of her friends was denied entry because she forgot her recommend but somehow the non-mo photographer still got in lol. She was pissed
MORMON GOD has conditional love.
For sure. The 'god of abraham' is trash.
Great video. I've always thought getting my schoolmates to go to SLC temple to baptize the dead was the creepiest thing. Then later in life a coworker told me he was going to do that for me and my sister. I said no and he said I had no choice.
Your shirt! I’m dying! Love it!
To summarize: don’t marry in the temple. In fact, I can’t recommend joining. Seriously there are too many self righteous crazies. I’ve been through this baloney myself. Much happier out.
YOUR ATLA SHIRT AHHHHH
I feel so less alone by watching such videos and the comments.. I have been denied a temple recommend before my wedding because as a poor student, I could not tithe every month. I had to withdraw all my money left in order to be able to marry my husband. I started questioning my faith at this moment. I always did my best to be the best person possible and would be damned because of money? In the same time, a guy in my ward forced a young woman to have sex with him but could enter the temple because he paid properly (or at least said so).. for me it was so unfair. I left this church now and feel so free and blessed in my life and just wish my husband opens his eyes some day. But as long as he does not force me back and I don't force him out, we are fine ^^